@2:58 Samuel Green quote (17:59) And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning. You should read the context he quoted a text out of context to suit his needs as a Christian missionary. The context of the verses talks about the Mushrikeen polytheists of Quraish in Mecca when they asked Prophet Muhammad, to bring them a miracle sign. You read in Tafseer commentary of Ibn Kathir, Al-Qurtubi, Al-Tabari, Al-Zamakhshari, The Keys to the Unseen by Al-Razi, you read in Al-Baydawi, Al-Jalalain, Al-Shawkani, Al-Baghawi, and the Simplified Interpretation they all said the reason Allah revealed this verse that on the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said: The polytheists of Mecca asked the Prophet Muhammad for a miracle signs: that he would turn Safa into gold for them and move the mountains away from them so that they could farm. Prophet Muhammad was told by Allah: If you wish, we will wait for them, or if you wish, we will give them the miracle and the signs they asked for but if they disbelieve after we give them the miracle and the signs, they will be destroyed as the nations before them were destroyed like We gave Thamud - the people of Salih - a clear miracle, which was the the she-camel, but they disbelieved in it, so We destroyed them. And Our sending of the messengers with miracles and signs which We placed through them was only to frighten the servants; so that they would reflect and remember. Prophet Muhammad Reply and said to Allah No, rather wait for them. And God revealed the verse. The answer from a Christian perspective: Jesus said that performing miracles is not evidence of prophecy. False prophets performed miracles. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Prophecy does not need miracles. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, and John did not perform a single miracle. Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
You are missing a problem i think, in the verse which Allah says he refrains from sending signs we have a contradiction. The contradiction is that muslims claim that the Quran is a sign, if the Quran is a sign then the very verse in which the author of the Quran says that no sign will be given, the verse itself is a sign therefore he did give a sign. That verse would be the same as me telling you that i do not wear coats while i am wearing a coat. For me it is a verse that certainly proves that the Quran is man made.
@@MassDefeqalso those surahs make a liar out of mohammed. As mohammed says no other prophet became before him other than jesus . The proof is Silah came after jesus as the story of the she camel fiasco was after jeaus .😊😅😮😮😅😅
@@MassDefeq these are all personal interpretations. you should accept the Islamic debate winning argument - Muslims are not going to purge their scriptures of miracles stories based on christian personal interpretations. this is a delusion.
@@nadirahmed4224 My friend is the statement i do not wear coats while wearing a coat a statement of stupidity? yes, that is the verse in the Quran my friend, clearly made up by a not a very smart man.
@ who cares what you think the topic is about what Muslims think and convincing Muslims to purge their scriptures of miracle stories that’s just not going to happen. Furthermore, I provided a perfect explanation with examples and you have chosen to ignore and not engage with my arguments so there’s nothing more to say here
@@nadirahmed4224 I don't know when Hadith that came 200 year too late, became Muslim scripture and Nabir refer to Hadith has a scripture throughout the debate. You never brought any references from the Quran, showing your hypocrisy and lack of evidence from your Quran.
Please watch the debate and accept the Islamic debate victory in that you cannot convince Muslims to purge the miracle stories from their books based on Samuel‘s interpretations of what he thinks a Warner is
Listening to the fruit of the spirit of islam coming out of the mouth of this mocker and his personal attacks on Sam, as part of a way to belittle him hoping it will somehow weaken him is sick. Thank God Im Not A Muslim. Constant mocking tone from that nadir character is from satan. Not a Holy God❤️Thank you Sam. Your a Gentleman❤️🤔
the Quran does not explicitly say that Muhammad can not do miracles. , rather it was sam's assumption, but sam lost the debate with the simply point that Muslims are not going to purge the miracle stories based on sams assumption.
@@nadirahmed4224 @2:58 Samuel Green quote (17:59) And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning. You should read the context he quoted a text out of context to suit his needs as a Christian missionary. The context of the verses talks about the Mushrikeen polytheists of Quraish in Mecca when they asked Prophet Muhammad, to bring them a miracle sign. You read in Tafseer commentary of Ibn Kathir, Al-Qurtubi, Al-Tabari, Al-Zamakhshari, The Keys to the Unseen by Al-Razi, you read in Al-Baydawi, Al-Jalalain, Al-Shawkani, Al-Baghawi, and the Simplified Interpretation they all said the reason Allah revealed this verse that on the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said: The polytheists of Mecca asked the Prophet Muhammad for a miracle signs: that he would turn Safa into gold for them and move the mountains away from them so that they could farm. Prophet Muhammad was told by Allah: If you wish, we will wait for them, or if you wish, we will give them the miracle and the signs they asked for but if they disbelieve after we give them the miracle and the signs, they will be destroyed as the nations before them were destroyed like We gave Thamud - the people of Salih - a clear miracle, which was the the she-camel, but they disbelieved in it, so We destroyed them. And Our sending of the messengers with miracles and signs which We placed through them was only to frighten the servants; so that they would reflect and remember. Prophet Muhammad Reply and said to Allah No, rather wait for them. And God revealed the verse. The answer from a Christian perspective: Jesus said that performing miracles is not evidence of prophecy. False prophets performed miracles. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Prophecy does not need miracles. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, and John did not perform a single miracle. Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Well done Sam! Where did you find this dude nadir. It’s guys like him that convince me i will never be muslim. Apart from all the other obvious reasons. Like the nature of certain characters.🤔
Sam’s asking about miracles and nadir goes on for ever about prophecies. Going about the world having too much money that there will be no poverty. Hey nadir what planet are you living on? For its cant be earth.🤔
@@raphaelfeneje486 your show of solidarity will not work , you are just being a cheerleader for Christianity. The reason is because Sam is trying to convince Muslims to purge their scriptures of miracle stories , so what Christians think is irrelevant. And furthermore, warners can do miracles.
@@raphaelfeneje486 a Warner can do miracles. but what christians think this means is irrelevant - sam is trying to convince Muslims to purge their scriptures. so it is important what Muslims think. not christians.
@@nadirahmed4224 "A Warner can do miracles." Where does it say that?? Instead your Qu'ran is explicit when it says he's only a plain warner. The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people. S. 13:7 Nowhere does the Qu'ran tells you that Muhammad performed miracles. So your logic is that nobody can read the Qu'ran and understand it, unless they're muslims. Hilarious. That's why you keep losing debates.
@1:05:28 The question You mentioned this Hadith Narrated `Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison. Prophet Muhammad died 3 years after he ate the poisoned food. My question for you how did Prophet Muhammad know about the Poisoned food before he ate the food ? Why did he eat the poisoned food after he knew that it is poisoned? Why he didn't die instantly on the spot once he ate the poisoned food that can kill instantly Camel on the spot? What happened with Prophet Muhammad is MIRACLE by ALLAH and evidence to proof he is TRUE PROPHET of ALLAH. He knew about the poisoned food before he ate the food because his guardian Angel Gabriel told him that the food is poisoned and he told the Jewish women who gave him the food about the poison and he told his companion not to eat from the poisoned part but still he eat from the poisoned food and he didn't die because it was not his time to die. His companion Bisher Bin Al Baraa Bin Maroor ate from the poison and died on the spot. Prophet Muhammad died 3 years after he ate the poison because ALLAH protected him as Prophet of ALLAH and ALLAH permit him to eat the poison as MIRACLE and EVIDENCE for people to believe that he is TRUE Prophet of ALLAH protected by ALLAH. (Prophet Muhammad said O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar) Prophet Muhammad said this, as an evidence that he didn't die because of the poison that he ate three years ago but he died because it was his time to die. your bible said TRUE believers if they drink any DEADLY thing it shall not hurt them and Prophet Muhammad pass the test can you as Christian drink or eat poison and still alive like Prophet Muhammad? Mar 16:18 They shall (take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;) they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mar 16:18 they will (pick up snakes in their hands; even if they drink any deadly poison it will not hurt them;) and they will place their hands on the sick, and they will recover." Prophet Muhammad pass the test can you as Christians eat poison and still alive? I CHALLENGE any Christian to accept my challenge
@@MassDefeq he has a very good point! Muhammad ate from the poisoned animal and did NOT die from it. He lived to talk about 3 years later. this is a test given in the NT
Muhammad did not know about the poison food before he ate it, that was proven by the fact that one of his companions ate the poison and died. If Muhammad knew that the food was poisoned then you are telling us that Muhammad was happy to let one of his companions die from it.
I agree with sam about “I am just a warner” so nadir your wrong not every body can see what you see. What sam is saying is obvious. Your emotional break down affirms it. Give us the explicit words that MOHAMED explicit no hints nadir EXPLICIT do you hear nadir. Mo hamed in the Bible. Use your criteria nadir. No assumptions nadir come on nadir. Yeah of course you hypocrite You Cant🤔
It looks like you are just recycling defeated arguments when you say you agree with Sam this is nothing more as a show a solidarity not a good argument that he has. What even worse is that you concede to my argument that all Christians have is personal interpretation.
@@Truthfire111 as I pointed out several times in the debate, nowhere does it explicitly state MUHAMMAD CAN DO NO MIRACLES. rather this is sam's interpretation of "I am just a warner", but this phrase has other interpretations, which I gave. personal interpretations is no proof of anything.
@@nadirahmed4224 you have to rely on personal interpretation that’s your argument no where does it say he does miracles no matter how much you try to throw garbage arguments
Just on character and spiritual conduct alone, Sam Won the day and showed me very clearly that i am follow the True God. God said; By their Fruits You Shall Know Them. I do not belong in the brotherhood that nadir is in.🤔
@ I was making an argument. An Observation. And then a conclusion. And then a comment, on the observation and the conclusion.🤔Think🤔That was a poor “assumption” 🤔Think🤔Read the Text🤔
@@Truthfire111 you need to save yourself the embarrassment. This debate is about convincing Muslims to purge the miracle stories from their books. It is irrelevant with Christians think.
@@patricktee6496 in TH-cam , please search for my video: Atheist critics ACCEPT Muhammad(P) corrected 6 scientific errors in the Bible. This is game over for Christianity.
@@nadirahmed4224 U are indeed in a world of your own... at which part did the atheist agnostic agreed that the qur'an is partially true ? Wake up ...don't keep dreaming U won every debate U took part and that everyone is running away from you
Prophecy does not need miracles. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, and John did not perform a single miracle. Miracles. Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Samuel Green said in his initial statement that a Prophet is confirmed by miracles. Sam is DEAD WRONG according to his own Christian Bible (Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9, Deuteronomy 13:1-4). I suggest Samuel Green should read his Bible first before debating anyone.
@@smk1189 I would also like for you to agree that Sam is living in a delusion - he thinks that Muslims are going to purge all the miracle stories because of his personal interpretation of what he think "only a Warner " means. This is just not going to happen.
You can see Islam have to to offer. The guy is just telling us ferrytale stories and his even laughing at his self.. He didn't get the argument, the hadit contradict the Quran😅
The contradiction argument was debunked. You were just repeating defeated arguments, rather than addressing the reputation towards them. You are nothing more than a cheerleader.
Please accept the Islamic debate winning argument - Sam's personal interpretation of "only a warner" is not going to convince Muslims to purge their scriptures of all the miracle stories. This is a delusion.
With greatest respect I believe the debate "Did Muhammad Perform Miracles" is pointless. Whether a person can perform miracles does not confirm that they are a true Prophet of God. The Christian New Testament and the Jewish Scripture confirms that FALSE Prophets and the anti-christ will perform miracles (Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9). We are told in the Jewish Scripture that God will send FALSE Prophet with miracles to TEST the Jewish people (Deuteronomy 13:1-4). The Orthodox Jews believe Jesus was the FALSE Messiah even though he performed miracles.
- While Nadir raised some good points about how signs are not just miracles, he unintentionally misrepresented the Qur'an like you did but you did it on purpose. The ayah in question doesn't say "I won't waste my time with you because you're a bunch of losers" and it doesn't also say "I won't give you miracles because I am just a warner" You don't read the whole ayah in the context of the whole Qur'an. You just read the parts that would serve your point and drop everything else just like you do with John 17:3 (But they say, Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord? Say, The signs are only with Allāh, and I am only a clear warner.) Q29:50 The ayah responds: 1- The signs are only with Allāh And 2- I am only a clear warner You took only the 2nd part and dropped the first part which is essential for understanding what warner means here in this context. The ayah doesn't say God won't give signs. It says that signs are only in God's hands to decide whether to give or not. It's not in Muhammad’s hands as he is just a warner from God i.e. the decision of whether to give the idolaters the specific miracles they asked for is not up to Muhammad but to God and if you have read the Qur'an you would have seen the kind of specific miracles they asked for like bringing God and the angels to their presence, or having a treasure and a garden of palms, vines and rivers and that those are the specific miracles that were declined, obviously because they were senseless requests out of arrogance and obstinacy not sincere requests. And your discussion of this point is also out of obstinacy because there are many countless evidence for Islam not just physical miracles if you were really after the truth. Physical miracles are the least convincing in today's world because even if they happened you can't go back and witness them. - Physical miracles in Hadith are regarded by scholars as recurrent تواتر معنوي meaning that there so many reports of physical miracles from many people and various chains of narration that it's considered impossible that all those many people would agree to lie and fabricate physical miracles for the prophet. That doesn't mean that every specific miracle reported is true but that the general idea of the prophet having physical miracles is true because it's recurrent. And no, Hadith wasn't invented centuries later. This is what ignorant Qur'anists say because they haven't studied an iota in the science of Hadith and its history. Hadith has been there from the time of the prophet th-cam.com/video/muVL2JGLeq4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=I4KfI-_KXVq5buXh - The splitting of the moon specifically was narrated in both Al Bukhari and Muslim Sahih books (the most highly regarded in Hadith). It was agreed upon by all Tafsir commentators except a few who deviated from the majority. Ibn Taymiyyah said that the splitting of the moon had been witnessed by them, and news about it had been repeated (recurrent accounts). The story of the split was narrated not just by Ibn Masoud in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, but it was also narrated by a large group of companions, among them Anas, Ibn Abbas, Ibn Omar, Hudhayfah, Ali, Jubair bin Mutim, and others. Then it was transmitted to the second generation of successors by large numbers until it reached us. There is no reason for anyone to assume that all those people conspired to lie and make things up that didn't happen. Those are many companions that were contemporary to the prophet, many successors that followed them and many Tafsir scholars. The report of the splitting of the moon is far more authentic than any of the miracle reports in the new testament because it is confirmed through eye-witness testimony transmitted through an unbroken chain of reliable scholars so many that it is impossible that it could be false (hadith mutawatir). You don't have that for the miracles in the new testament. Furthermore, there is an independent, and quite amazing, historical corroboration of the event from an Indian king of that time. King Chakrawati Farmas of Malabar was a Chera king, Cheraman perumal of Kodungallure. He is recorded to have seen the moon split. The incident is documented in a manuscript kept at the India Office Library, London, reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173 www.islamreligion.com/articles/151/miracles-of-muhammad-part-2 - For anyone interested in this topic, here's an article I wrote before on the topic and I kindly requested that Samuel read it. He said he would respond when he has the time and he never did: medium.com/@manarabdelgalil/does-the-quran-teach-that-prophet-muhammad-had-no-miracles-signs-3e6e6ea715c9 And here's two more videos to watch from blogging theology and Dawahwise - m.th-cam.com/video/u9UIac86zgw/w-d-xo.html - m.th-cam.com/video/3dJPE5lLjBg/w-d-xo.html - As for the prophecies discussed in the video which Samuel tried to brush them away, they are not the only ones and there are even more specific prophecies than them which Christians fail to explain and usually just sweep them under the rug or resort to the "Muslims invented it" mode Examples: yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/v1/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad - I wonder if Samuel can post my reponse to his Christian community who are unaware of all of of that and see if he can get the same number of praises.
I think there is a misunderstanding - I never said that the quran explictly states, I am not going to waste my time because you are a bunch of losers(it actually does say that in the QUran) rather my argument was this is an alternative interpretation to the verse "I am just a warner". and this interpretion makes more sense.
Performing miracles proves nothing. Samuel Green said in his initial statement that a Prophet is confirmed by miracles. Sam is DEAD WRONG according to his own Christian Bible (Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9, Deuteronomy 13:1-4). I suggest Samuel Green should read his Bible first before debating anyone.
@nadirahmed4224 This is not my interpretation. I checked what Tafsir scholars say about this ayah. We should always refer to what scholars say and not our opinions as it is prohibited to interpret Qur'an by opinion.
@@manarabdelgalil6588 you seem to have made a mistake, when you say those kufar who asked for a sign were not a waste of time, then you are claiming that they are pious sincere people , which is not true
@@nadirahmed4224 I didn't say that. Of course they're not sincere in their request of the specific signs the Qur'an talked about and they're losers because they denied the truth. My point is that the interpretation of this specific ayah in question doesn't portray God in the way you mentioned that he's like someone telling them he won't give them signs because they're a bunch of losers. I believe that's not a good language to interpret the Qur'an or talk about prophet Muhammad or God. The ayah simply implies that signs are in God's hands to send on his own terms, it's up to God not to Muhammad to decide whether to respond to their specific requests as Muhammad is just a warner from God. This is not my tafsir. It's the tafsir of As-sadi. It's very important that we approach the interpretation of the Qur'an with caution and consult scholars' interpretations. I get your point and what you were trying to say but accuracy is important when it comes to interpreting the Qur'an, talking about the prophet and God.
The dilemma of Muslims is that the Quran is contradicted by many hadiths. More than 10 times pagan Arabs asked Mo why he can't perform a miracle for them like former prophets they knew of. Allah is clear no miracles except Quran. Do do we follow Allah in Quran or Mo as claimed in forged Hadith and seerat of forger Ibn ishaq heavily edited by Ibn Hisham who claims he performed many miracles.? That's why we have Quran only Muslims who think Muslim mafias the scholars have hijacked Islam by using Hadith heresay. You can see the contradiction here and the scholar argues .
Christians please accept the Islamic debate victory - I will give you the winning argument again: Muslims are not going to purge the miracle stories found in their text because of Sam's interpretation of "I am just a warner". you need better evidence then mere personal interpretations. This is a delusion. Rather I provided alternative interpretations which made more sense.
Nadir is a waste of time. His nonsense response about interpretation vs fact doesn't make sense. You have to interpret facts but he thinks he is not interpreting 😂😂
Yes indeed I am a waste of time. This means my opponent did not achieve any kind of success with me. Every attempt was destroyed. THat is truly a waste of time. Thanks for admitting how good I am , but the debate was won because Muslims are not going to purge their books based on Sam's personal interpretations.
@nadirahmed4224 Have you ever noticed all your debates end the same way? You are stuck on repeat with some nonsense point like, fact vs interpretation or exact words that have to be used for something to be communicated. The point is nonsensical, but you think because of it, you won 🤣🤣🤣
@@ronniebrown2667 you should just accept the Islamic debate winning argument - you can not get Muslims to purge their miracle stories in Hadith based on personal interpretations. This is a delusion . And I think you can see it as well
0:00:03 Introduction
0:00:36 Samuel’s Opening Statement (20)
0:20:48 Format
0:21:38 Nadir’s Opening Statement (20)
0:42:37 Samuel’s Rebuttal (5)
0:47:59 Nadir’s Rebuttal (5)
0:53:25 Open Discussion (10)
1:05:26 Audience Q&A
1:24:21 Samuel’s Closing Statement (3)
1:27:30 Nadir’s Closing Statement (3)
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@2:58 Samuel Green quote (17:59) And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning.
You should read the context he quoted a text out of context to suit his needs as a Christian missionary. The context of the verses talks about the Mushrikeen polytheists of Quraish in Mecca when they asked Prophet Muhammad, to bring them a miracle sign.
You read in Tafseer commentary of Ibn Kathir, Al-Qurtubi, Al-Tabari, Al-Zamakhshari, The Keys to the Unseen by Al-Razi, you read in Al-Baydawi, Al-Jalalain, Al-Shawkani, Al-Baghawi, and the Simplified Interpretation they all said the reason Allah revealed this verse that on the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said: The polytheists of Mecca asked the Prophet Muhammad for a miracle signs: that he would turn Safa into gold for them and move the mountains away from them so that they could farm. Prophet Muhammad was told by Allah: If you wish, we will wait for them, or if you wish, we will give them the miracle and the signs they asked for but if they disbelieve after we give them the miracle and the signs, they will be destroyed as the nations before them were destroyed like We gave Thamud - the people of Salih - a clear miracle, which was the the she-camel, but they disbelieved in it, so We destroyed them. And Our sending of the messengers with miracles and signs which We placed through them was only to frighten the servants; so that they would reflect and remember. Prophet Muhammad Reply and said to Allah No, rather wait for them. And God revealed the verse.
The answer from a Christian perspective:
Jesus said that performing miracles is not evidence of prophecy. False prophets performed miracles.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Prophecy does not need miracles. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, and John did not perform a single miracle.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
You are missing a problem i think, in the verse which Allah says he refrains from sending signs we have a contradiction. The contradiction is that muslims claim that the Quran is a sign, if the Quran is a sign then the very verse in which the author of the Quran says that no sign will be given, the verse itself is a sign therefore he did give a sign. That verse would be the same as me telling you that i do not wear coats while i am wearing a coat. For me it is a verse that certainly proves that the Quran is man made.
@@MassDefeqalso those surahs make a liar out of mohammed. As mohammed says no other prophet became before him other than jesus . The proof is Silah came after jesus as the story of the she camel fiasco was after jeaus .😊😅😮😮😅😅
@@MassDefeq these are all personal interpretations. you should accept the Islamic debate winning argument - Muslims are not going to purge their scriptures of miracles stories based on christian personal interpretations. this is a delusion.
@@nadirahmed4224 My friend is the statement i do not wear coats while wearing a coat a statement of stupidity? yes, that is the verse in the Quran my friend, clearly made up by a not a very smart man.
@ who cares what you think the topic is about what Muslims think and convincing Muslims to purge their scriptures of miracle stories that’s just not going to happen. Furthermore, I provided a perfect explanation with examples and you have chosen to ignore and not engage with my arguments so there’s nothing more to say here
Excellent point about haddith contradicting the Quran. I will use that relentlessly.
dear god , this has been refuted multiple times through out the debate
@nadirahmed4224 not refuted, just denied.
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You only denied your Quran and contradict it.
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I don't know when Hadith that came 200 year too late, became Muslim scripture and Nabir refer to Hadith has a scripture throughout the debate. You never brought any references from the Quran, showing your hypocrisy and lack of evidence from your Quran.
@@nadirahmed4224 Nadir where is sperm produced in a mans body?
Flawless debate for Sam Green.
Jesus is Lord.
Please watch the debate and accept the Islamic debate victory in that you cannot convince Muslims to purge the miracle stories from their books based on Samuel‘s interpretations of what he thinks a Warner is
Listening to the fruit of the spirit of islam coming out of the mouth of this mocker and his personal attacks on Sam, as part of a way to belittle him hoping it will somehow weaken him is sick. Thank God Im Not A Muslim. Constant mocking tone from that nadir character is from satan. Not a Holy God❤️Thank you Sam. Your a Gentleman❤️🤔
Nadir your as convincing as a drug addict saying i promise i don’t do drugs, while the needles hanging out of his arm.🤔
Nadir says that samual makes assumptions
But then makes his own assumption with mental gymnastics to try and twist the word of the quran
the Quran does not explicitly say that Muhammad can not do miracles. , rather it was sam's assumption, but sam lost the debate with the simply point that Muslims are not going to purge the miracle stories based on sams assumption.
@@nadirahmed4224 @2:58 Samuel Green quote (17:59) And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning.
You should read the context he quoted a text out of context to suit his needs as a Christian missionary. The context of the verses talks about the Mushrikeen polytheists of Quraish in Mecca when they asked Prophet Muhammad, to bring them a miracle sign.
You read in Tafseer commentary of Ibn Kathir, Al-Qurtubi, Al-Tabari, Al-Zamakhshari, The Keys to the Unseen by Al-Razi, you read in Al-Baydawi, Al-Jalalain, Al-Shawkani, Al-Baghawi, and the Simplified Interpretation they all said the reason Allah revealed this verse that on the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said: The polytheists of Mecca asked the Prophet Muhammad for a miracle signs: that he would turn Safa into gold for them and move the mountains away from them so that they could farm. Prophet Muhammad was told by Allah: If you wish, we will wait for them, or if you wish, we will give them the miracle and the signs they asked for but if they disbelieve after we give them the miracle and the signs, they will be destroyed as the nations before them were destroyed like We gave Thamud - the people of Salih - a clear miracle, which was the the she-camel, but they disbelieved in it, so We destroyed them. And Our sending of the messengers with miracles and signs which We placed through them was only to frighten the servants; so that they would reflect and remember. Prophet Muhammad Reply and said to Allah No, rather wait for them. And God revealed the verse.
The answer from a Christian perspective:
Jesus said that performing miracles is not evidence of prophecy. False prophets performed miracles.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Prophecy does not need miracles. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, and John did not perform a single miracle.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
@@nadirahmed4224you keep saying purge the miracle stories what are these miracle stories and how are you purging them
Well done Sam! Where did you find this dude nadir. It’s guys like him that convince me i will never be muslim. Apart from all the other obvious reasons. Like the nature of certain characters.🤔
Sam’s asking about miracles and nadir goes on for ever about prophecies. Going about the world having too much money that there will be no poverty. Hey nadir what planet are you living on? For its cant be earth.🤔
this is a non starter for Nadir Ahmed because Quran says that Muhammad didnt perform miracles!
Nothing more than a show of solidarity, but you are not addressing the arguments in the debate
@@nadirahmed4224 He already addressed the argument. Muhammad is a Warner.
@@raphaelfeneje486 your show of solidarity will not work , you are just being a cheerleader for Christianity. The reason is because Sam is trying to convince Muslims to purge their scriptures of miracle stories , so what Christians think is irrelevant. And furthermore, warners can do miracles.
@@raphaelfeneje486 a Warner can do miracles. but what christians think this means is irrelevant - sam is trying to convince Muslims to purge their scriptures. so it is important what Muslims think. not christians.
@@nadirahmed4224 "A Warner can do miracles." Where does it say that?? Instead your Qu'ran is explicit when it says he's only a plain warner.
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people. S. 13:7
Nowhere does the Qu'ran tells you that Muhammad performed miracles. So your logic is that nobody can read the Qu'ran and understand it, unless they're muslims. Hilarious. That's why you keep losing debates.
@1:05:28 The question You mentioned this Hadith Narrated `Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.
Prophet Muhammad died 3 years after he ate the poisoned food. My question for you how did Prophet Muhammad know about the Poisoned food before he ate the food ? Why did he eat the poisoned food after he knew that it is poisoned? Why he didn't die instantly on the spot once he ate the poisoned food that can kill instantly Camel on the spot?
What happened with Prophet Muhammad is MIRACLE by ALLAH and evidence to proof he is TRUE PROPHET of ALLAH. He knew about the poisoned food before he ate the food because his guardian Angel Gabriel told him that the food is poisoned and he told the Jewish women who gave him the food about the poison and he told his companion not to eat from the poisoned part but still he eat from the poisoned food and he didn't die because it was not his time to die. His companion Bisher Bin Al Baraa Bin Maroor ate from the poison and died on the spot. Prophet Muhammad died 3 years after he ate the poison because ALLAH protected him as Prophet of ALLAH and ALLAH permit him to eat the poison as MIRACLE and EVIDENCE for people to believe that he is TRUE Prophet of ALLAH protected by ALLAH.
(Prophet Muhammad said O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar) Prophet Muhammad said this, as an evidence that he didn't die because of the poison that he ate three years ago but he died because it was his time to die.
your bible said TRUE believers if they drink any DEADLY thing it shall not hurt them and Prophet Muhammad pass the test can you as Christian drink or eat poison and still alive like Prophet Muhammad?
Mar 16:18 They shall (take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;) they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:18 they will (pick up snakes in their hands; even if they drink any deadly poison it will not hurt them;) and they will place their hands on the sick, and they will recover."
Prophet Muhammad pass the test can you as Christians eat poison and still alive?
I CHALLENGE any Christian to accept my challenge
@@MassDefeq he has a very good point! Muhammad ate from the poisoned animal and did NOT die from it. He lived to talk about 3 years later. this is a test given in the NT
Muhammad did not know about the poison food before he ate it, that was proven by the fact that one of his companions ate the poison and died. If Muhammad knew that the food was poisoned then you are telling us that Muhammad was happy to let one of his companions die from it.
Nadir try to win the debate by personal attacks!!. He knew that he had already lost the debate with Sam's opening speech!!
Dishonest
And there is no honesty in islam
I agree with sam about “I am just a warner” so nadir your wrong not every body can see what you see. What sam is saying is obvious. Your emotional break down affirms it. Give us the explicit words that MOHAMED explicit no hints nadir EXPLICIT do you hear nadir. Mo hamed in the Bible. Use your criteria nadir. No assumptions nadir come on nadir. Yeah of course you hypocrite You Cant🤔
It looks like you are just recycling defeated arguments when you say you agree with Sam this is nothing more as a show a solidarity not a good argument that he has. What even worse is that you concede to my argument that all Christians have is personal interpretation.
@@nadirahmed4224 Me? Recycling defeated argument.🤣yeah right!🤔
@@Truthfire111 as I pointed out several times in the debate, nowhere does it explicitly state MUHAMMAD CAN DO NO MIRACLES. rather this is sam's interpretation of "I am just a warner", but this phrase has other interpretations, which I gave. personal interpretations is no proof of anything.
@@nadirahmed4224 you have to rely on personal interpretation that’s your argument no where does it say he does miracles no matter how much you try to throw garbage arguments
@ did you watch the debate?
Just on character and spiritual conduct alone, Sam Won the day and showed me very clearly that i am follow the True God. God said; By their Fruits You Shall Know Them. I do not belong in the brotherhood that nadir is in.🤔
If you are following the true, God was not the topic of this debate what you are doing is just to show a solidarity not a very good argument
@ I was making an argument. An Observation. And then a conclusion. And then a comment, on the observation and the conclusion.🤔Think🤔That was a poor “assumption” 🤔Think🤔Read the Text🤔
@ God was the topic. Ultimately when one debates the quran or the Bible. Your proofing is this book True or Not.🤔Think🤔
@@Truthfire111 you need to save yourself the embarrassment. This debate is about convincing Muslims to purge the miracle stories from their books. It is irrelevant with Christians think.
@ Me Knows. Thanks for taking the time to tell me something i already know🤔
I just can't beleive Nadir is still debating.
But i am glad that he did... Coz i never laugh so hard listening to his debate 😂😂😂
got bad news for you, the atheist and agnostic community has given a partial endorsement to the Quran ands science arguments.
@@nadirahmed4224
😂😂😂
U just defeated yourself in your own argument.
How can Atheists or Agnostic endorse the quran if they don't believe in God ?
@@patricktee6496 in TH-cam , please search for my video: Atheist critics ACCEPT Muhammad(P) corrected 6 scientific errors in the Bible. This is game over for Christianity.
@@nadirahmed4224
U are indeed in a world of your own...
at which part did the atheist agnostic agreed that the qur'an is partially true ?
Wake up ...don't keep dreaming U won every debate U took part and that everyone is running away from you
Muslim are just rejecting Quran this days😂
please watch the debate
Prophecy does not need miracles. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the greatest prophet of the children of Israel, and John did not perform a single miracle. Miracles.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Nadir is a very funny guy. Perfect for that comical Quran and Islam. Always entertaining.
Deluded beyond repair it may seem.
Congratulations Nadir has left Islam by going against what is written in the Quran.
Looks like you did not even pay a single attention to the debate you just listen to one side you cannot make the blind see
@@nadirahmed4224 Did you win the debate?
@@nadirahmed4224Congrats on leaving Islam.
Samuel Green said in his initial statement that a Prophet is confirmed by miracles. Sam is DEAD WRONG according to his own Christian Bible (Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9, Deuteronomy 13:1-4). I suggest Samuel Green should read his Bible first before debating anyone.
@@smk1189 I would also like for you to agree that Sam is living in a delusion - he thinks that Muslims are going to purge all the miracle stories because of his personal interpretation of what he think "only a Warner " means. This is just not going to happen.
You can see Islam have to to offer. The guy is just telling us ferrytale stories and his even laughing at his self.. He didn't get the argument, the hadit contradict the Quran😅
The contradiction argument was debunked. You were just repeating defeated arguments, rather than addressing the reputation towards them. You are nothing more than a cheerleader.
Why! Why! Why do people debate desperate Nadir? He is all about personal attacks, and personal attacks simply demonstrates ignorance!
Please accept the Islamic debate winning argument - Sam's personal interpretation of "only a warner" is not going to convince Muslims to purge their scriptures of all the miracle stories. This is a delusion.
Words are argued to be spells hence whey they are spelled. They have a powerful effect and can be used to deceive for manipulation power and control.
By those who cast them.
With greatest respect I believe the debate "Did Muhammad Perform Miracles" is pointless. Whether a person can perform miracles does not confirm that they are a true Prophet of God. The Christian New Testament and the Jewish Scripture confirms that FALSE Prophets and the anti-christ will perform miracles (Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9). We are told in the Jewish Scripture that God will send FALSE Prophet with miracles to TEST the Jewish people (Deuteronomy 13:1-4). The Orthodox Jews believe Jesus was the FALSE Messiah even though he performed miracles.
- While Nadir raised some good points about how signs are not just miracles, he unintentionally misrepresented the Qur'an like you did but you did it on purpose.
The ayah in question doesn't say "I won't waste my time with you because you're a bunch of losers" and it doesn't also say "I won't give you miracles because I am just a warner"
You don't read the whole ayah in the context of the whole Qur'an. You just read the parts that would serve your point and drop everything else just like you do with John 17:3
(But they say, Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord? Say, The signs are only with Allāh, and I am only a clear warner.) Q29:50
The ayah responds:
1- The signs are only with Allāh
And
2- I am only a clear warner
You took only the 2nd part and dropped the first part which is essential for understanding what warner means here in this context. The ayah doesn't say God won't give signs. It says that signs are only in God's hands to decide whether to give or not. It's not in Muhammad’s hands as he is just a warner from God i.e. the decision of whether to give the idolaters the specific miracles they asked for is not up to Muhammad but to God and if you have read the Qur'an you would have seen the kind of specific miracles they asked for like bringing God and the angels to their presence, or having a treasure and a garden of palms, vines and rivers and that those are the specific miracles that were declined, obviously because they were senseless requests out of arrogance and obstinacy not sincere requests.
And your discussion of this point is also out of obstinacy because there are many countless evidence for Islam not just physical miracles if you were really after the truth. Physical miracles are the least convincing in today's world because even if they happened you can't go back and witness them.
- Physical miracles in Hadith are regarded by scholars as recurrent تواتر معنوي meaning that there so many reports of physical miracles from many people and various chains of narration that it's considered impossible that all those many people would agree to lie and fabricate physical miracles for the prophet. That doesn't mean that every specific miracle reported is true but that the general idea of the prophet having physical miracles is true because it's recurrent.
And no, Hadith wasn't invented centuries later. This is what ignorant Qur'anists say because they haven't studied an iota in the science of Hadith and its history.
Hadith has been there from the time of the prophet
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- The splitting of the moon specifically was narrated in both Al Bukhari and Muslim Sahih books (the most highly regarded in Hadith). It was agreed upon by all Tafsir commentators except a few who deviated from the majority.
Ibn Taymiyyah said that the splitting of the moon had been witnessed by them, and news about it had been repeated (recurrent accounts). The story of the split was narrated not just by Ibn Masoud in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, but it was also narrated by a large group of companions, among them Anas, Ibn Abbas, Ibn Omar, Hudhayfah, Ali, Jubair bin Mutim, and others. Then it was transmitted to the second generation of successors by large numbers until it reached us.
There is no reason for anyone to assume that all those people conspired to lie and make things up that didn't happen. Those are many companions that were contemporary to the prophet, many successors that followed them and many Tafsir scholars.
The report of the splitting of the moon is far more authentic than any of the miracle reports in the new testament because it is confirmed through eye-witness testimony transmitted through an unbroken chain of reliable scholars so many that it is impossible that it could be false (hadith mutawatir). You don't have that for the miracles in the new testament.
Furthermore, there is an independent, and quite amazing, historical corroboration of the event from an Indian king of that time. King Chakrawati Farmas of Malabar was a Chera king, Cheraman perumal of Kodungallure. He is recorded to have seen the moon split. The incident is documented in a manuscript kept at the India Office Library, London, reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173
www.islamreligion.com/articles/151/miracles-of-muhammad-part-2
- For anyone interested in this topic, here's an article I wrote before on the topic and I kindly requested that Samuel read it. He said he would respond when he has the time and he never did:
medium.com/@manarabdelgalil/does-the-quran-teach-that-prophet-muhammad-had-no-miracles-signs-3e6e6ea715c9
And here's two more videos to watch from blogging theology and Dawahwise
- m.th-cam.com/video/u9UIac86zgw/w-d-xo.html
- m.th-cam.com/video/3dJPE5lLjBg/w-d-xo.html
- As for the prophecies discussed in the video which Samuel tried to brush them away, they are not the only ones and there are even more specific prophecies than them which Christians fail to explain and usually just sweep them under the rug or resort to the "Muslims invented it" mode
Examples:
yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/v1/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad
- I wonder if Samuel can post my reponse to his Christian community who are unaware of all of of that and see if he can get the same number of praises.
I think there is a misunderstanding - I never said that the quran explictly states, I am not going to waste my time because you are a bunch of losers(it actually does say that in the QUran) rather my argument was this is an alternative interpretation to the verse "I am just a warner". and this interpretion makes more sense.
Performing miracles proves nothing. Samuel Green said in his initial statement that a Prophet is confirmed by miracles. Sam is DEAD WRONG according to his own Christian Bible (Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9, Deuteronomy 13:1-4). I suggest Samuel Green should read his Bible first before debating anyone.
@nadirahmed4224 This is not my interpretation. I checked what Tafsir scholars say about this ayah. We should always refer to what scholars say and not our opinions as it is prohibited to interpret Qur'an by opinion.
@@manarabdelgalil6588 you seem to have made a mistake, when you say those kufar who asked for a sign were not a waste of time, then you are claiming that they are pious sincere people , which is not true
@@nadirahmed4224 I didn't say that. Of course they're not sincere in their request of the specific signs the Qur'an talked about and they're losers because they denied the truth. My point is that the interpretation of this specific ayah in question doesn't portray God in the way you mentioned that he's like someone telling them he won't give them signs because they're a bunch of losers. I believe that's not a good language to interpret the Qur'an or talk about prophet Muhammad or God. The ayah simply implies that signs are in God's hands to send on his own terms, it's up to God not to Muhammad to decide whether to respond to their specific requests as Muhammad is just a warner from God. This is not my tafsir. It's the tafsir of As-sadi. It's very important that we approach the interpretation of the Qur'an with caution and consult scholars' interpretations.
I get your point and what you were trying to say but accuracy is important when it comes to interpreting the Qur'an, talking about the prophet and God.
I do not pay attention to muslim argument
The dilemma of Muslims is that the Quran is contradicted by many hadiths.
More than 10 times pagan Arabs asked Mo why he can't perform a miracle for them like former prophets they knew of.
Allah is clear no miracles except Quran.
Do do we follow Allah in Quran or Mo as claimed in forged Hadith and seerat of forger Ibn ishaq heavily edited by Ibn Hisham who claims he performed many miracles.?
That's why we have Quran only Muslims who think Muslim mafias the scholars have hijacked Islam by using Hadith heresay.
You can see the contradiction here and the scholar argues .
Christians please accept the Islamic debate victory - I will give you the winning argument again: Muslims are not going to purge the miracle stories found in their text because of Sam's interpretation of "I am just a warner". you need better evidence then mere personal interpretations. This is a delusion. Rather I provided alternative interpretations which made more sense.
Nadir Ahmed is still debating??? 😂😂😂😂
😅😅😅😅
Nadir is not an islamic apologist. He thinks he is. He can't even do taqiyah convincingly. The ummah should silence him.
Nadir is a waste of time. His nonsense response about interpretation vs fact doesn't make sense. You have to interpret facts but he thinks he is not interpreting 😂😂
Yes indeed I am a waste of time. This means my opponent did not achieve any kind of success with me. Every attempt was destroyed. THat is truly a waste of time. Thanks for admitting how good I am , but the debate was won because Muslims are not going to purge their books based on Sam's personal interpretations.
@nadirahmed4224 You make no sense and think big bold talk about winning means something. Is that one of your facts or your interpretation?
@nadirahmed4224 Have you ever noticed all your debates end the same way? You are stuck on repeat with some nonsense point like, fact vs interpretation or exact words that have to be used for something to be communicated. The point is nonsensical, but you think because of it, you won 🤣🤣🤣
@@ronniebrown2667 you should just accept the Islamic debate winning argument - you can not get Muslims to purge their miracle stories in Hadith based on personal interpretations. This is a delusion . And I think you can see it as well
@@nadirahmed4224 cope.
Alternative interpretation versus the text.
Come on man!! Just read!! 🙄
Nadir is so dishonest, every muslims knows that mo mo did not do any Miracle yet he try so hard that mo mo did miracle
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Thanks for the reference. Did you watch this debate?