Lucrehulk battleship and carriers are quite ingenious in my opinion, just one of those bad boys and some Munificents and the star system is easy to take
Not only in performance, but logistically they were masterpieces. Built in large numbers before the war _without_ any suspicion, and then readily converted, it would be like somehow finding a way to easily turn Cargo ships into aircraft carriers for WW2. And the levels of automation were awesome, they literally had no manpower limitations. The other logistics factor was the design was refined over decades so it was "perfected", unlike a wartime rush job.
true, and tbh the trade federation knew how to exploit the advantages of their cargo ship and make it the best battleship/carrier of their navy (CIS navy later I guess)
the Hulk actually has serious issues if deployed alone wothout a proper escort screen, but it is never seen on its own outside the blockade of Naboo and that was hardly a naval battle.
@@casbot71 In some ways they could it could say they're similar to the Casablanca class of escort carriers. The design was based on a modified version of the Liberty ships. Built by Henry Kaiser with 50 of them seeing service during WW 2.
@@TheBrotherdarkness9 Yet even then it still proved difficult as Heavy later proved when him and the rest of Domino squad infiltrated the ship over Umbara
Also, the 12 ion cannons are basically identical to the 12 deck guns, since they were labelled as 'ion cannons' in the first ROTS Cross Sections book. Likely a mistake, at the time, but those are definitely the mass driver/deck guns, we see firing, amidships.
The Lucrehulk is like a modern day supercarrier. It's not only an epic flagship, but is capable of transporting immense amounts of supplies, moving whole armies from A to B, or acting as a mothership to thousands of starfighters and even corvette sized ships. Imagine how terrifying it would have been if the Separatists had hyperdrive capable starfighters, like droid operated X and Y wings. Imagine hundreds of Lucrehulks launching millions of craft in relentless attacks across the galaxy, with droid starfighters that would never get mentally fatigued, only being limited by fuel and munitions. Probably would've been unstoppable.
It cannot hold thousands of starfighters. 1,500. And the CIS didn’t really have any corvette sized ships, aside from the Gozanti (more of a support ship). While your idea is cool it just extends way beyond the bounds of what the ship is capable of, in my opinion.
@@yanyanchan2199 1500 in addition to a massive landing force (1500 PAC, 500 MTT, 50 landing craft, 6250 AAT, plus the space taken up by 330 000 battle droids. a vulture droid is small than an AAT, PAC and MTT, etc), a pure carrier variant would be able to carry thousands (over 10 000 easily). and you are forgetting the Diamond class 'cruiser' (which unlike the Gozanti actually appears in the movies), a 200m long ship designed for fighter and bomber defense. that is a corvette sized ship. you also have the Commerce guild corvettes (so far only mentioned in novels but canonically were extremely common) you also have the Hardcell-class Battle Refit which surved as a corvette (seen in admrial trench's blockade in the clone wars) and that is just canon ships, legends had even more.
Or you could use cheap oner way hyperspace drives that would enebale long range suicde strikes with swarmd of droens from a mobile factory ship like the lukcrehulk.
The CIS have always been way more fun to watch in the Clone Wars series because unlike the Republic they are actually using a variety of vehicles and droids.
A shame too, theres so many vehicles seen in Revenge of The Sith that are never seen in the show (AT-AP, AT-OT, UT-AT) that would have made sense in more scenes than the AT-TE
I would've loved to see more of the lesser conflicts in the clone wars. No Jedi, clone, or CIS assets. Genuine planetary or system-wide organic-based civil wars, like if neither the republic nor separatists intervened on Mon Cala or if Wookie Special Forces decided to perform a decapitation strike on Umbara.
I'd argue the Providence is far more effective. There were two variants of it and the larger version could hold off three Venators. Admiral Trench easily showed how devastating a single ship could be, unfortunately he crossed paths with Anakin twice.
@@sneediumminer man do you even know what the subjucator class is? There was only 1 built in Canon (The Malevolence) and it was destroyed and it was commanded by general grievous I don’t even think that admiral trench even knew that it existed ( well he probably did but he sure as hell didt know it’s specifics on it) and in legends 5 we’re built but that’s legends not canon and Star Wars the clone wars tv show is canon material so yeah in conclusion you have no idea what your talking about
@@sneediumminerin Episode Cat and Mouse covering the Battle of Christophsis , a blockade of around 10 lucrehulks and escorting munificient frigates under the Flagship of 2km Providence dreadnought invincible By Admiral trench was Blockade run by 3 Venators and pelta frigate , Admiral Trench Charged the 3 Venators with only his Faster Dreadnought (luckrehulks are very very slow) and Anakin had to retreat due to the damage already taken from the single enemy ship
Lucerhulk Battleship is Bonkers. Its like hey instead of 200 or 300 starfighters let's add 50,000. Also I bet the ship designers threw in Painic room for Droids just in case General Greivois threw a Hessy Fit.
Imagine how much greater the CIS numbers would've been without General Grievous constantly destroying their own droids. "Sir we suffered 30,000 casualties" "How did the Republic manage that so quickly?" "Because 10,000 of those were friendly fire from the General"
The Providence 100%, its armament is well rounded (personally i would trade some torpedo tubes for turbolasers), its hanger size is fair for a ship of its size (if your not using droids). And its design makes it perfect for modification, look at Rebel One, she is beautiful
My fleet would be a handful of providence carrier/destroyers and a supporting group of munificent cruisers. Using the providence's tough armor and shields to take the brunt of the hits while the munificents use their super heavy turbolasers in the prow to shred the enemy fleets from a further distance away and keeping their fragile hulls away from the republic's ionized shots since the munificent is held together by tenser fields and isnt exactly sturdy
There was an episode in clone wars were a group of clones used Anikin's fly through the hanger to blow up the reactor strategy, but the Reactors were protected by ray shields. Showing that the Separatists learned and adapted, especially since the enemy General's were Jedi.
Personally, I am proponent of cruisers. I love the Recusant. It was an excellent heavy cruiser that could easily lead small flotillas, could threaten other capital ships, and was surprisingly fast and agile for it's size.
@@theseekerofancienttruth3873 This is a space with broad design philosophy in Star Wars. There were cruisers that emphasized defense and those who emphasized attack. Your statement is false.
Brings me back to The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe film adaptation's First Battle of Beruna. Providence for me. Not much into chonky glorified trade ships.
either the munificent or lucrehulk for sure. the munificent is a lot like the b1 battle droid; cheap, simple, and VERY effective in numbers. the lucrehulk is a lot like modern day aircraft carriers; big, tough, self-sufficient, and able to carry the fighters and bombers to rip apart enemy defenses without ever engaging. being a supercarrier for a faction like the separatists, that had the advantage of not needing to spend years training new pilots, is also a massive benefit
One thing I will say that most people never seem to consider is that the Munificent and Recusant had a significant range on their heaviest weaponry and if they held back as a battle line to pelt approaching enemy vessels from afar with withering firepower, it would have helped to mitigate their fragile hulls and give more leeway for any vessels attempting to flank them to be noticed and responded to. Unfortunately, they very often sent to be sent into brawling range. This is especially so for the Recusant which has a rather thin frontal profile and thus could, under ideal circumstances, focus its frontal shields in a relatively small area to remain safe. As far as favourite ships go, while I love the Lucrehulk, I would go with a Providence. The reason is its modularity. Personally, I would strip out most of the missile launchers because the shields need to be lowered for them to fire and replace them with more laser cannons for point defence.
The Providence, it's a proper warship and a good design. Plus it's the CIS ship for Battlefront 2 space battles so nostalgia helps in how I feel about it.
Out of all 5 factions in the main movies (not including the resistance) I like the CIS the most, they where just so good looking, and then the droids, thinking the massive towering tanks and walkers where somewhat sentient droids that would chill with one another after or before battles. Just think, a LAAT big enough to fit a crab droid, some b1’s, b2’s, 2 dwarf spiders, a OG-9 spider, and an octoputarra, all chilling like they where clones, that’s what they are like…it’s amazing
The provenance-class destroyer (particularly the invisible-hand) will always be my favorite ships cause grievous was seen on them and the malevolence was the true predecessor of the invisible-hand.
If I were assembling a fleet, I’d probably go with a Providence-class as the flagship, Lucrehulks as carriers/transports, and add destroyers and frigates based on expected opposition.
Good to see my favourite faction getting some love! Always loved the separatist fleet and army, so many get too caught up on the fact they lose they forget plot armour and sith involvement kneecap what arguably is the strongest faction in terms of fleet diversity and force projection. Love your content!
Great video guys! The CIS has always been my favourite faction so please please please do more videos like this one, perhaps covering their ground vehicles and the like :D
The munificent being called a Frigate might be reference to it's crew complement being similar to most frigates of the time.(It also fulfills the role of a traditional naval Frigate pretty well given it's glass cannon nature)
Typical Play of underdog , Calling and classifying it as a Light Frigate instead of a , let's say , Star Destroyer , Moon Killer , Sun Crusher ..... Reduces the backlash and complain of maintaining full warships instead of small escorts , considering the Rusan Reformations
I guess you can say the lucerhulk was ahead of it’s time. It was shown heavily in the phantom menace which took place 10+ years before the clone wars kicked off. It was a very cool ship / carrier for sure.
Did the Republic have clone bridge officers who were ever promoted to Admiral? Or officers promoted to General? Because you would think they would have more training in leading large armies in battle in ground and space combat scenarios instead of Jedi
From what I’ve read Palpatine made the Jedi the default commanders in the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR) alongside any existing hierarchy. Hence making military leaders like Tarkin and even Yularen annoyed when they had to be in charge alongside Jedi generals, and making Order 66 a more welcome change. Clone bridge officers aren’t given much lore, but Commander Wolffe from TCW was introduced in Season 1 as a bridge commander, wearing no armor. In the final episode of TCW you do see a clone in charge of the Venator as it drops out of lightspeed, but he probably isn’t an admiral. Source: Galactic Republic Navy article on Wookiepedia
Considering many of the non-clone officers in the Republic Navy had years of prior experience in the Judicial forces, I don’t think it’s very likely a clone could climb his way to admiral in the few short years of the Clone Wars.
I remember reading that there were at least a few clones who were promoted to full general, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few clone naval officers ranked above captain, but I don’t recall any clones who made it to admiral, even in the Imperial era, although I can’t rule it out completely.
6:44 there are actually two clone wars era ships with more firepower than the Lucrehulk, one being the Mandator, the other is the Subjugator aka Malevolence
I loved that in the Republic comics Grievous uses only 2 core ships and is able to go against a Republic fleet AND Kuat defensive forces. Wish they give more spotlight to them
Y'know turning a freighter's cargo bay into an insanely sized hangar certainly does has it upsides even if it does mean a vulnerable interior. It also made a lot of sense for the Separatists to make cheap but deadly ships. The 'glass cannon' approach to designs works on the basis that you can deal a lot more damage than you receive even if you lose the ship. Since Separatist ships were cheap anyway, focusing on offence made sure they could win with attrition due to the republic navy being so expensive to procure and maintain.
My personal preference goes to the Providence and Recusant class ships. More firepower than the Munificient class, and better mobility than a Luckrehulk class. Both have the firepower to take on a Venator 1v1 in their stock form, and are available in double sized dreadnought versions, which can maintain planetary blockades on their own.
It's not the most powerful, but I really like the Recusant destroyer. You won't lose your shields if the enemy is already dead. It does lack its own fighter support, but that's what carriers are for. Deploy them together and the problem is solved. Plus, I imagine Vulture Droids are just as capable of hanging onto a Recusent for emergencies. When their fuel was expended, they would need to divert to a real carrier, or be discarded. Or they could ram an enemy. I do like the idea that the ship has a droid brain, though it's odd that it would be fitted to a ship meant for such uncomplicated tactics. A B1 could handle charging at the enemy, guns blazing.
My choice would be a Providence-class cruiser on account of its tactical flexibility. It's swift and maneuverable, yet it still packs the shields and armor it needs for exchanging broadsides. The runner-up would be the Munificent-class frigate owing to its comprehensive sensor and communications suite. After all, the ability to detect the enemy before it detects you can end a battle before it even begins.
I always wondered what would happen after the clone wars if pirates got their hands on a Lucrahulk and turned it into a pirate heaven/space station. They could have fighters and other corvettes escort it and it would be pretty much unstoppable except for the empire.
I would dare say that the Munificents are the best as you can't scoff at the armament, costs, efficient design, communication array, or the ability to act as a support carrier.
To be honest I think Vultures are the most well thought thing they made. Litterally they could just sit under the ships shields on it's hull and there wasn't any need for hangars. (minus times when repair was needed)
For me, the Munificient, it has long range weapon, lot of armor and weapons in the front half, so its really good at hit and run tactics, the holonet transimiters are great adition, and you can always modify the ship and give it a decently sized hangar
I had no idea the Lucrehulk ships had some of the strongest shields in the Clone Wars! I knew they were strong but not that strong!! Woah!! Imagine if The Empire took this into The GCW!
And where do you have such stats? Saxton never made stat block for Lucrehulk refit. WEG was out of the game by prequels. So what we have? Miniatures or Armada never made official Lucrehulk. It's just large armed merchant cruiser. Plus Empire would never use CIS prises for propaganda reasons.
Guess I'd have to go with the lucrehulk. Mainly because I always liked how imposing it looked, and how it had a completely different design from most other Star Wars vessels - more like a mobile space fortress than a ship. And, well, I kinda don't like the designs of the other CIS ships, to be honest.
Munificent frigates are made to pierce heavy shields and to inflict lots of damage, révisant destroyer are made for escort and fleet flanking/defense, lucrehulks carrier are for fighter purpose, lucrehulks battleships are capital ship, providence class are ships that can almost do any mission having a sizeable garrison of fighters and bombers, string shield, good speed and a lot of turbolaser and also concussion missile which can go through shield. Finally we have the subjugator. Which is a nice capital fleet but. Need heavy protection not to be attacked from behind. You also have the supplu ship which do it's job quite nicely
My vote is for the Lucrehulk (Clone Wars refit). It was so heavily upgraded with numerous weapon emplacements that it became arguably one of the most powerful, heavy capital ships of the war. A flotilla of Venators were required just to crack its shields. That is darn tough. Not to mention the numerous turbolasers AND cavernous bays capable of launching like 1500 vulture droids. That is over THREE TIMES a Venator's starfighter complement. That is insane.
What was the deal with life support? Was the CIS able to save money on construction by not having to construct the ships with life support systems? Like maybe only the bridge and a few select areas needed to be pressurized and heated for the organic leaders but for the most part there were only droids on a lot of those ships. At the very least I wonder if they ever even really turned them on
Pretty much. Unless there were breathing crew or prisoners on board, they could leave the life support off and have an efficiency and a little bit of stealth advantage.
Starfighters are so pivotal in naval battles, that the Luchrehulk takes the cup 9 times out of 10. Replace the ground complement with Vulture droids in walk mode on the bottom hangar, 1500 tri-droids on the top racks, with a few thousand hyena bombers to go out with the second or third wave, combined with a droid control system to coordinate the fighters attacks and the Luchrehulk becomes a fleet unto itself.
When I hear statements like "The Munificent was built in the MILLIONS" my mind kinda goes blank. A million anything, is such a staggeringly large number, that I can almost picture so many of these ships brought to a space battle that the only concern they would ever have, is not running into each other. Combined with the other type ships the CIS could employ, they could have easily wiped out any opposing fleet. I guess the Republic was just "lucky" ? 🙃
Lucrehulks for my money are some of the best ships out there for what they are; monsters in terms of transport capacity, brutes in terms of firepower and bastions in terms of shielding. If I wanted to blockade a planet or take it on the ground, I could park one of these in system with a few of the lighter ships in support and mostly call the system secure. If one could keep up with more modern ISDs I could see those making for a terribly dangerous fleet needing only the addition of an interdiction field to be complete. I cannot help but wonder what a "super" Lucrehulk could have been.
What happened at the Battle of Naboo was an exception and in the Clone Wars series S4:E9 we saw that the Separatist's had equipped even their supply ships with shields to prevent attack on the main reactor from with in the hanger. A hard lesson learned that I'm sure the Lucrehulk has been adapted for. The Lucrehulk is without a doubt the most powerful; but I imagine its use was probably restricted to blockades and planetary invasions. Out of the other three if I were commanding a CIS fleet I would like to have the Providence as my flagship just because I would want my own squadron of fighters crewed by non droid ace pilots which would give me a more adaptable fighter wing.
the main problem i have with the Lukrehulk is it was never designed as a warship and that ALWAYS means severe compromises will have to be made somewhere. Its weaposn are shown to be inaccurate prpbabnly a byproduct of being bolted onto what is a giant freighter never intended to be mdofied like this. And due to their distribution, only a small amout of the overall firepower can target all be the largest single ship. The hulk does however make a very good command and carrier ship sitting in the middle of a fleet, its guns pointing in LITERALLY every direction makes it perfect as the centre and its command and carrier role also would necessitate this so these are not problems if proper fleet formation is maintained.
Yeah it's like using a super freighter with artillery and an runway bolted on top. It can sure fit a lot of stuff on the inside, but it's bigger because it was supposed to be stuffed with cargo containers, not service starfighter squadrons or withstand turbolaser blasts. Basically a big box in space.
@@giberr6628 those were quad lasers and would be useless against must capital ships. those are anti-pirate weapons and each battery of 3 can only realistically engage a single ship at a time and with very lmited traverse it would be easy for a swarm of fast a nd small ships to get close without an escort as cover. as there are only 48 of them on the orginal Hulk which is NOT VERY MUCH for such a huge ship.
@@IronWarhorsesFun I see your point, and yeah 48 really isn't as much as I thought. love the lucrehulk but it wouldn't stand a chance without municifents or other escorts in orbit
The way I look at it is which one gave the most comparative advantage compared to the Republic. That would still be the Lucreholk, but mostly because it facilitates the Confederacy's greatest advantage: numbers. The Lucreholk could send hundreds of starfighters at the enemy, overwhelming them, while it itself was so well protected it wasn't a liability in any situation.
What about the Separatist supply ships? Why don't they get mention? From what I heard, they originally used the Lucrehulk battleships as the supply ships but since those ships are part of the Trade Federation's symbols, the Separatists manufactured their own supply ships that were first featured in the Battle of Umbara instead. So if it is possible, I would like to hear more about the Separatist supply ships in the future because these vessels are one of my favorites in Star Wars.
Ironically all of the massive warships of the Confederacy were vital in the strategic force of their navy, and no doubt that each ship was purposely design to fulfill a role within the Navy, and no singular ship was relied to be the back bone of the CIS Navy compared to the Venators.
You say as if this is a con. Having an all purpose ship severely limits your fleet capabilities. The venator is well loved and has good firepower and durability, but its expensive, slow, predictable, too clunky and requires a living crew. And the acclamator is a walking coffin during fights against any of these CIS ships, even a munificent. Its a freaking miracle the republic won any space battles at all. Jedi will do that I guess.
@@oom-3262 there is only so many strategy’s that could form with Venators, and the Republic knew themselves that why they were building the Victory Star Destroyer to shore up the weak points of their Navy.
@@oom-3262 The actual answer is really just plot armor/convenience, but iirc it's canonically explained that the Jedi leading the Clone army and Sidious orchestrating the entire war being the main reasons why the Republic won anything at all. But yeah in all seriousness the CIS (with hundreds of warships and millions of Battle Droids) military could've and should've been able to wipe the galactic floor with the Clone army regardless of being led by Jedi or not; if you'll recall the Republic military only numbered about 200,000 clones at the start of the Clone Wars, nearly all of which were supposedly transported to Geonosis by a total of merely 12 Acclamator-class ships, and the Jedi command structure was just improvised in at the last second.
@@TacticianMark Palpatine is the reason why the Galactic won , but also the reason why it could have failed . He's the one to decide , and also without him the CIS wouldn't exist at all if not for count dooku acting his wishes .
I think an ideal Separatist fleet comp is 1 Lucrehulk, 2 Providences and 5+ Munificents. Lucrehulk and Providences should actually be at the front to take advantage of their durability, while Munificents maneuver into position and use their mega cannons to overwhelm single target after single target, to steadily cut down the damage of the opposing side and prevent the frontline from being overwhelmed.
The munificent is massively underrated. Their low production cost makes them easy to field in numbers, sure, but that also means you have the numbers for more tactical flexibility. That combined with its massively powerful ultra heavy turbolasers and lightweight construction (relative to its size) means that in the hands of a competent commander, even a relatively even fight ton-for-ton against other heavier vessels would likely be in the Munificent's favor. Their secondary armaments being along the "wings" also gives each gun a wide field of view, allowing it to concentrate its fire on targets front, side or rear with few blind spots. Honestly, if the bridge wasn't so exposed it would be a near-perfect warship.
Providence is better as it dedicated warship and have modular construction. Its bigger dreadnought variant can do the Lucrehulk job. The reason is that the in its core Lucrehulk is a civilian ship, no matter how much armor and weapons you put on it, you cant change the structure which wasnt made to survive heavy fire or to support large amounts of weapons
Definitely agree with your conclusion. Thought this would featured that big sphere shaped CIS ship until I looked it up and learned it was just a supply ship. That's a big fuckin supply ship which, if armed and retrofitted right, could have been a useful asset for the CIS fleets. Especially they would be employed like Lucrehulk's were since they would end up sharing the same pros and cons in the end. Or at least I don't see any practical way to fix the sublight mobility issues that both deal with
Sounds like we need a similar for GAR ships. That must've been just as good or better to have any real chances of doing alright seeing as how outnumbered Republic Navy counterparts typically were
As mentioned, the backbone of the separatist navy was paper. Munificents punch good but can't take the heat. I imagine many commanders lost them in large numbers, particularly with Sidious making sure the Separatists never got too far ahead.
@@chaotixthefox occasionally we know FOR SURE it was Sideous with that ingenious massive trap/counter attack that opened the events of ROTS... Odd that no one figured out that it was HIS doing either as the Chancellor or the Dark lord. Or that moving all those many unit assets and plans that no one learned of the others ACTUAL plans and deployments even purely by something becoming too much to keep strait or totally on accident.
Honestly the large fighter compliment could counter the lack of mobility the lucrehulk had. Just send bombers or strike fighters to deal with ships that were too quick
I think of lucrehulks as the S tier of defense ships but a lackluster assault craft. They’re essentially a moveable space station/weapons platform but moveable isn’t necessarily maneuverable. I think assaulting a planet with a lucrehaulk as your center piece instead of the multiple providences you could get for the same price would be a silly plan.
The Lucrehulk is probably my favorite and in my opinion one of the best. Not only do you have an easily mass produced Army that could be controlled via the ships, you also have the Vulture droids. With the right mixture of tactics and support vessels (like the Providence), Lucrehulks could easily be the star on most battlefields.
Well it's hard to argue how awesome the Lucrehulk is given its a Battleship Supercarrier but I've always been a fan of the Providence class given that it was really the only ship built from the ground up as a true warship and not just modified. Really the equal to the Venator class ships. The Munificent is of course another favorite of mine that I would've called the best given it could be made in such numbers to cover a large portion of the galaxy on every front vs larger warships. The Recusant always felt a bit redundant given its not that much different in armor and firepower to the Munificent and if you go by the old cross section books the Munificent is faster, has longer range and holds more deactivated droids than the Recusant. But hey that's just my thoughts on it.
So the ideal CIS fleet would be to have a Lucrehulk in the middle, a few munificents behind it because this way the Lucrehulk will shields the munificents while they can shoot at long range targets. Have a few Recusants sit in front of the Lucrehulk because of their anti fighter weaponry, and then have the Providence in the front of the fleet.
Recusant wasn't just great for long range anti ship battles, but it made an excellent AA boat for fleets. I personally like them all, I don't really have a favorite because they all have different uses, but the Providence, in just Destroyer/Carrier form alone is terrifying. The ungodly amount of *proton* torpedoes those things should be firing is insane. And I feel as if the CIS found such a great way to counter the limited Lucrehulks, by letting essentially unlimited Vulture droids be able to latch onto Munificent hulls. It could easily fit two hundred, most likely more. So slap in three Munificents and you could bring six hundred fighters to the party easily. Either way, all the ships are amazingly designed.
did anyone else use a Lukerhulk besides the CIS and the Rebel Aliance? cause it honestly feels like it would be the best mobile base you could scavange
the republic at war mod for the empire at war game, shows just how op lucrehulks are, even with game mechanics that compliment of small crafts means that it can alone take on multiple venators at the same time, a single venator only had ~500 ships, this has 100 times that, even with valuing droid fighters at .3 ship, it's still overwhelming theoretically the lucrehulks should be unapproachable by anything they don't want close, the republic's best bet would be to rush it before it can deploy fighters, but even that is unlikely as it has 8 hangar doors
how about a what-if? if you designed a fleet with your own custom Star Wars-style ships. an example I would say 1~3 Impierla Star Destroyer for ship-to-ship combat, 2 victory set up with missiles for long range, 2 Acclamator-class assault ship for ground attack, 1~2 Venator-class Star Destroyer with a focus on starfighters, 1 Interdictor-class Star Destroyer to prevent escape, 4 Screeing Impiral Nebula B, and 6 CR90 corvette with 2 Turbo Lasers but the other quad Laser for fighter screening.
“No ship in either Clone Wars era navy could even come close to matching the sheer firepower of the Lucrehulk.” Subjugator class, with 2 mega ion cannons, 500 dual turbo lasers, 400 point defense twin laser turrets, and 10 proton torpedo launchers: “Am I a joke to you?” (Not saying it should’ve been in the comparison though, it’s clearly a very rare ship in the Confederate navy)
honestly the lucrehulk is just the best designed ship in starwars in my opinion lol. So much thought went into its design from a concept art perspective and that really just tickles my fancy. the fact that its probably the largest carrier also really pushes my liking from a starwars point of view cause fighters often win the day.
The lucrehulk is in my opinion the best designed capital ship in star wars (Edit) I do want to add, you mentioned that no ship in either fleet could match it in firepower. But this is simply not true, the mediator preator and subjugators all outgunned it but granted were so rare they were almost never seen. And it wouldn't surprise me if the tector star destroyer would also outgun it.
I always liked the CIS fleet. I will say the thing I like the most is how the Providence is clearly a precursor to the famed MC80. I think some members of Free-Dac made it back to Mon Cala's resistance against the empire.
Something I've always wondered... For most ships in the CIS I'd expect the crew to be exclusively droids. While certainly the admirals have almost always been organic, the supporting ships in those fleets are shown to be headed by droids. For those ships, why does there always seem to be air in them? And when there are intruders, why would the solution not just to be vent the air in non critical areas? Wouldn't pretty much just the bridge be needed? And if there's a concern of lack of air long term, it just has to last the battle then the ship could lower to the nearest planet and just add air back in
The Clone wars completely understated the power of the Lucrehulks. It is laughable that during the battle of Ryloth, the Republic only fielded three Venators against not only a Lucrehulk but also several munificents. But plot armor saved the day once again.
it would be absolutely horrific if the Subjugator class made it into mass production. it seems like the perfect ship to complement the Lucrehulk in case of a fleet attack, while the Lucrehulk launches hundreds if not thousands of starfighters in the safety of the Subjugator ships.
Maybe not the best but I adore the Subjugators so much, they may have only had 5 (not counting the Malevolence) but they were fleet killers with genius use of ion pulse weaponry
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Lucrehulk battleship and carriers are quite ingenious in my opinion, just one of those bad boys and some Munificents and the star system is easy to take
Not only in performance, but logistically they were masterpieces.
Built in large numbers before the war _without_ any suspicion, and then readily converted, it would be like somehow finding a way to easily turn Cargo ships into aircraft carriers for WW2.
And the levels of automation were awesome, they literally had no manpower limitations.
The other logistics factor was the design was refined over decades so it was "perfected", unlike a wartime rush job.
true, and tbh the trade federation knew how to exploit the advantages of their cargo ship and make it the best battleship/carrier of their navy (CIS navy later I guess)
A formation like that makes it good for blockading a planet as well, and Ryloth is proof of that
the Hulk actually has serious issues if deployed alone wothout a proper escort screen, but it is never seen on its own outside the blockade of Naboo and that was hardly a naval battle.
@@casbot71 In some ways they could it could say they're similar to the Casablanca class of escort carriers. The design was based on a modified version of the Liberty ships. Built by Henry Kaiser with 50 of them seeing service during WW 2.
The Lucrehulk also has laser cannons inside its hangers, Vulture droids in walk mode, as well as ray shielded reactors to deal with infiltrators.
Ray shields for reactors were installed on Lucrehulks after young Anakin singlehandedly took one out by destroying the ships reactor.
@@TheBrotherdarkness9 Yet even then it still proved difficult as Heavy later proved when him and the rest of Domino squad infiltrated the ship over Umbara
@@Archangelglenn RiP Heavy
@@Archangelglenn hardcase
@@Archangelglenn That wasn't even a Lucrehulk. Also, Domino Squad was long dead. Only Fives remained.
The Providence. A proper warship and carrier for me, and the more fitting for my ship aesthetics.
i like the greek tirareem kinda look it has going.
You mean "trireme"?
Also, the 12 ion cannons are basically identical to the 12 deck guns, since they were labelled as 'ion cannons' in the first ROTS Cross Sections book. Likely a mistake, at the time, but those are definitely the mass driver/deck guns, we see firing, amidships.
The Lucrehulk is like a modern day supercarrier. It's not only an epic flagship, but is capable of transporting immense amounts of supplies, moving whole armies from A to B, or acting as a mothership to thousands of starfighters and even corvette sized ships.
Imagine how terrifying it would have been if the Separatists had hyperdrive capable starfighters, like droid operated X and Y wings. Imagine hundreds of Lucrehulks launching millions of craft in relentless attacks across the galaxy, with droid starfighters that would never get mentally fatigued, only being limited by fuel and munitions. Probably would've been unstoppable.
In theory.
In practice the cis was always meant to lose.
It cannot hold thousands of starfighters. 1,500. And the CIS didn’t really have any corvette sized ships, aside from the Gozanti (more of a support ship).
While your idea is cool it just extends way beyond the bounds of what the ship is capable of, in my opinion.
@@yanyanchan2199 1500 in addition to a massive landing force (1500 PAC, 500 MTT, 50 landing craft, 6250 AAT, plus the space taken up by 330 000 battle droids. a vulture droid is small than an AAT, PAC and MTT, etc), a pure carrier variant would be able to carry thousands (over 10 000 easily).
and you are forgetting the Diamond class 'cruiser' (which unlike the Gozanti actually appears in the movies), a 200m long ship designed for fighter and bomber defense. that is a corvette sized ship.
you also have the Commerce guild corvettes (so far only mentioned in novels but canonically were extremely common)
you also have the Hardcell-class Battle Refit which surved as a corvette (seen in admrial trench's blockade in the clone wars)
and that is just canon ships, legends had even more.
Or you could use cheap oner way hyperspace drives that would enebale long range suicde strikes with swarmd of droens from a mobile factory ship like the lukcrehulk.
@@IronWarhorsesFun let’s not suggest that particular maneuver. Especially not in mass.
The CIS have always been way more fun to watch in the Clone Wars series because unlike the Republic they are actually using a variety of vehicles and droids.
A shame too, theres so many vehicles seen in Revenge of The Sith that are never seen in the show (AT-AP, AT-OT, UT-AT) that would have made sense in more scenes than the AT-TE
Cis navy was better than the republics, but their army had the same problem the republic navy did
I would've loved to see more of the lesser conflicts in the clone wars. No Jedi, clone, or CIS assets. Genuine planetary or system-wide organic-based civil wars, like if neither the republic nor separatists intervened on Mon Cala or if Wookie Special Forces decided to perform a decapitation strike on Umbara.
Watch the clone wars back when it comes to ships the republic used a fair few
And the droids are pretty damn funny too
I'd argue the Providence is far more effective. There were two variants of it and the larger version could hold off three Venators. Admiral Trench easily showed how devastating a single ship could be, unfortunately he crossed paths with Anakin twice.
you might be thinking of the subjugator-class dreadnought, which is the one with the giant ion cannon that can disable venators
@@sneediumminer Re-read my comment and then realize what ship you brought up.
@@sneediumminer man do you even know what the subjucator class is? There was only 1 built in Canon (The Malevolence) and it was destroyed and it was commanded by general grievous I don’t even think that admiral trench even knew that it existed ( well he probably did but he sure as hell didt know it’s specifics on it) and in legends 5 we’re built but that’s legends not canon and Star Wars the clone wars tv show is canon material so yeah in conclusion you have no idea what your talking about
@@sneediumminerin Episode Cat and Mouse covering the Battle of Christophsis , a blockade of around 10 lucrehulks and escorting munificient frigates under the Flagship of 2km Providence dreadnought invincible By Admiral trench was Blockade run by 3 Venators and pelta frigate ,
Admiral Trench Charged the 3 Venators with only his Faster Dreadnought (luckrehulks are very very slow) and Anakin had to retreat due to the damage already taken from the single enemy ship
Lucerhulk Battleship is Bonkers. Its like hey instead of 200 or 300 starfighters let's add 50,000. Also I bet the ship designers threw in Painic room for Droids just in case General Greivois threw a Hessy Fit.
Imagine how much greater the CIS numbers would've been without General Grievous constantly destroying their own droids.
"Sir we suffered 30,000 casualties"
"How did the Republic manage that so quickly?"
"Because 10,000 of those were friendly fire from the General"
The lucrehulk is like a combination of a tank, and a space station.
The Providence 100%, its armament is well rounded (personally i would trade some torpedo tubes for turbolasers), its hanger size is fair for a ship of its size (if your not using droids). And its design makes it perfect for modification, look at Rebel One, she is beautiful
My fleet would be a handful of providence carrier/destroyers and a supporting group of munificent cruisers. Using the providence's tough armor and shields to take the brunt of the hits while the munificents use their super heavy turbolasers in the prow to shred the enemy fleets from a further distance away and keeping their fragile hulls away from the republic's ionized shots since the munificent is held together by tenser fields and isnt exactly sturdy
and add in a single Lucrehulk and there you go
Always liked the Separatist ships above all other faction ships in Star Wars.
There was an episode in clone wars were a group of clones used Anikin's fly through the hanger to blow up the reactor strategy, but the Reactors were protected by ray shields. Showing that the Separatists learned and adapted, especially since the enemy General's were Jedi.
Personally, I am proponent of cruisers. I love the Recusant. It was an excellent heavy cruiser that could easily lead small flotillas, could threaten other capital ships, and was surprisingly fast and agile for it's size.
Star Wars "Cruisers" are really Destroyers.
@@theseekerofancienttruth3873 This is a space with broad design philosophy in Star Wars. There were cruisers that emphasized defense and those who emphasized attack. Your statement is false.
7:42-7:46: Hunter: Numbers aren't everything.
Also, yes Lucrehulk for the win!
Brings me back to The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe film adaptation's First Battle of Beruna.
Providence for me. Not much into chonky glorified trade ships.
Yeah tel that to ww2 Germany
Has he said numbers are an POWERFULL advantage he didnt siad it was EVERYTHING!
either the munificent or lucrehulk for sure. the munificent is a lot like the b1 battle droid; cheap, simple, and VERY effective in numbers. the lucrehulk is a lot like modern day aircraft carriers; big, tough, self-sufficient, and able to carry the fighters and bombers to rip apart enemy defenses without ever engaging. being a supercarrier for a faction like the separatists, that had the advantage of not needing to spend years training new pilots, is also a massive benefit
Have you seen the number of guns on a Munificient? It's patently absurd and I love it.
Modern carriers are not very tough. Armor is generally limited at best. You do not want the ship itself near enemies.
One thing I will say that most people never seem to consider is that the Munificent and Recusant had a significant range on their heaviest weaponry and if they held back as a battle line to pelt approaching enemy vessels from afar with withering firepower, it would have helped to mitigate their fragile hulls and give more leeway for any vessels attempting to flank them to be noticed and responded to. Unfortunately, they very often sent to be sent into brawling range.
This is especially so for the Recusant which has a rather thin frontal profile and thus could, under ideal circumstances, focus its frontal shields in a relatively small area to remain safe.
As far as favourite ships go, while I love the Lucrehulk, I would go with a Providence. The reason is its modularity. Personally, I would strip out most of the missile launchers because the shields need to be lowered for them to fire and replace them with more laser cannons for point defence.
The Providence, it's a proper warship and a good design. Plus it's the CIS ship for Battlefront 2 space battles so nostalgia helps in how I feel about it.
The CIS: in details, lore information and ship designs: incredibly powerful, OP, ready to win.
The CIS in media: "the plot demands we lose."
The Recusent has earned a new nick name " The Space Stick "
More like a death stick, given how fragile they were.
@@RJALEXANDER777 thats actually pretty cool name :D
Out of all 5 factions in the main movies (not including the resistance) I like the CIS the most, they where just so good looking, and then the droids, thinking the massive towering tanks and walkers where somewhat sentient droids that would chill with one another after or before battles.
Just think, a LAAT big enough to fit a crab droid, some b1’s, b2’s, 2 dwarf spiders, a OG-9 spider, and an octoputarra, all chilling like they where clones, that’s what they are like…it’s amazing
Liked the EAW Republic at war screenshot at 8:55
The provenance-class destroyer (particularly the invisible-hand) will always be my favorite ships cause grievous was seen on them and the malevolence was the true predecessor of the invisible-hand.
If I were assembling a fleet, I’d probably go with a Providence-class as the flagship, Lucrehulks as carriers/transports, and add destroyers and frigates based on expected opposition.
Good to see my favourite faction getting some love! Always loved the separatist fleet and army, so many get too caught up on the fact they lose they forget plot armour and sith involvement kneecap what arguably is the strongest faction in terms of fleet diversity and force projection. Love your content!
Great video guys! The CIS has always been my favourite faction so please please please do more videos like this one, perhaps covering their ground vehicles and the like :D
The munificent being called a Frigate might be reference to it's crew complement being similar to most frigates of the time.(It also fulfills the role of a traditional naval Frigate pretty well given it's glass cannon nature)
Typical Play of underdog , Calling and classifying it as a Light Frigate instead of a , let's say , Star Destroyer , Moon Killer , Sun Crusher ..... Reduces the backlash and complain of maintaining full warships instead of small escorts , considering the Rusan Reformations
I guess you can say the lucerhulk was ahead of it’s time. It was shown heavily in the phantom menace which took place 10+ years before the clone wars kicked off. It was a very cool ship / carrier for sure.
Did the Republic have clone bridge officers who were ever promoted to Admiral? Or officers promoted to General? Because you would think they would have more training in leading large armies in battle in ground and space combat scenarios instead of Jedi
That’s a good question that really gets me thinking 🤔
From what I’ve read Palpatine made the Jedi the default commanders in the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR) alongside any existing hierarchy. Hence making military leaders like Tarkin and even Yularen annoyed when they had to be in charge alongside Jedi generals, and making Order 66 a more welcome change.
Clone bridge officers aren’t given much lore, but Commander Wolffe from TCW was introduced in Season 1 as a bridge commander, wearing no armor. In the final episode of TCW you do see a clone in charge of the Venator as it drops out of lightspeed, but he probably isn’t an admiral.
Source: Galactic Republic Navy article on Wookiepedia
i think Rex and Cody in all but name where Generals when you consider the size of each legion.
Considering many of the non-clone officers in the Republic Navy had years of prior experience in the Judicial forces, I don’t think it’s very likely a clone could climb his way to admiral in the few short years of the Clone Wars.
I remember reading that there were at least a few clones who were promoted to full general, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few clone naval officers ranked above captain, but I don’t recall any clones who made it to admiral, even in the Imperial era, although I can’t rule it out completely.
6:44 there are actually two clone wars era ships with more firepower than the Lucrehulk, one being the Mandator, the other is the Subjugator aka Malevolence
I would want a Providence class dreadnought as my personal flagship. In fact, I wish I had it right above my house.
I am similarly inclined.
Ironically, Not the Core Ship itself.
Damn, you beat me to it.
Me too.
I loved that in the Republic comics Grievous uses only 2 core ships and is able to go against a Republic fleet AND Kuat defensive forces. Wish they give more spotlight to them
Y'know turning a freighter's cargo bay into an insanely sized hangar certainly does has it upsides even if it does mean a vulnerable interior.
It also made a lot of sense for the Separatists to make cheap but deadly ships. The 'glass cannon' approach to designs works on the basis that you can deal a lot more damage than you receive even if you lose the ship. Since Separatist ships were cheap anyway, focusing on offence made sure they could win with attrition due to the republic navy being so expensive to procure and maintain.
My personal preference goes to the Providence and Recusant class ships. More firepower than the Munificient class, and better mobility than a Luckrehulk class. Both have the firepower to take on a Venator 1v1 in their stock form, and are available in double sized dreadnought versions, which can maintain planetary blockades on their own.
It's not the most powerful, but I really like the Recusant destroyer. You won't lose your shields if the enemy is already dead.
It does lack its own fighter support, but that's what carriers are for. Deploy them together and the problem is solved. Plus, I imagine Vulture Droids are just as capable of hanging onto a Recusent for emergencies. When their fuel was expended, they would need to divert to a real carrier, or be discarded. Or they could ram an enemy.
I do like the idea that the ship has a droid brain, though it's odd that it would be fitted to a ship meant for such uncomplicated tactics. A B1 could handle charging at the enemy, guns blazing.
Every time someone does one of these they never talk about the Bulwark-class, is it just not considered a Separatist ship? They used it enough.
My choice would be a Providence-class cruiser on account of its tactical flexibility. It's swift and maneuverable, yet it still packs the shields and armor it needs for exchanging broadsides. The runner-up would be the Munificent-class frigate owing to its comprehensive sensor and communications suite. After all, the ability to detect the enemy before it detects you can end a battle before it even begins.
I always wondered what would happen after the clone wars if pirates got their hands on a Lucrahulk and turned it into a pirate heaven/space station. They could have fighters and other corvettes escort it and it would be pretty much unstoppable except for the empire.
I would dare say that the Munificents are the best as you can't scoff at the armament, costs, efficient design, communication array, or the ability to act as a support carrier.
Although the providence is my second choice, they lose due to costs and focus on mid to close range engagements.
and they are vary fast and easy to build almost anywere with vary little inforstructer.
To be honest I think Vultures are the most well thought thing they made. Litterally they could just sit under the ships shields on it's hull and there wasn't any need for hangars. (minus times when repair was needed)
For me, the Munificient, it has long range weapon, lot of armor and weapons in the front half, so its really good at hit and run tactics, the holonet transimiters are great adition, and you can always modify the ship and give it a decently sized hangar
Geestly: Uploads two videos in 1 days
Me: A surprise for sure, but a welcome one
I had no idea the Lucrehulk ships had some of the strongest shields in the Clone Wars! I knew they were strong but not that strong!! Woah!!
Imagine if The Empire took this into The GCW!
And where do you have such stats? Saxton never made stat block for Lucrehulk refit. WEG was out of the game by prequels. So what we have? Miniatures or Armada never made official Lucrehulk. It's just large armed merchant cruiser. Plus Empire would never use CIS prises for propaganda reasons.
Guess I'd have to go with the lucrehulk. Mainly because I always liked how imposing it looked, and how it had a completely different design from most other Star Wars vessels - more like a mobile space fortress than a ship. And, well, I kinda don't like the designs of the other CIS ships, to be honest.
Munificent frigates are made to pierce heavy shields and to inflict lots of damage, révisant destroyer are made for escort and fleet flanking/defense, lucrehulks carrier are for fighter purpose, lucrehulks battleships are capital ship, providence class are ships that can almost do any mission having a sizeable garrison of fighters and bombers, string shield, good speed and a lot of turbolaser and also concussion missile which can go through shield. Finally we have the subjugator. Which is a nice capital fleet but. Need heavy protection not to be attacked from behind. You also have the supplu ship which do it's job quite nicely
Two Geetsly's vids? How rewarding yet strange.
Yeah I know right!?
This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them.
@@sambridgers9543 "We should not have made this bargain."
I like the munificent and recusant, but I just prefer the more humanoid friendly design of the lucerhulk and providence
My vote is for the Lucrehulk (Clone Wars refit). It was so heavily upgraded with numerous weapon emplacements that it became arguably one of the most powerful, heavy capital ships of the war. A flotilla of Venators were required just to crack its shields. That is darn tough. Not to mention the numerous turbolasers AND cavernous bays capable of launching like 1500 vulture droids. That is over THREE TIMES a Venator's starfighter complement. That is insane.
What was the deal with life support? Was the CIS able to save money on construction by not having to construct the ships with life support systems? Like maybe only the bridge and a few select areas needed to be pressurized and heated for the organic leaders but for the most part there were only droids on a lot of those ships. At the very least I wonder if they ever even really turned them on
Pretty much. Unless there were breathing crew or prisoners on board, they could leave the life support off and have an efficiency and a little bit of stealth advantage.
Starfighters are so pivotal in naval battles, that the Luchrehulk takes the cup 9 times out of 10. Replace the ground complement with Vulture droids in walk mode on the bottom hangar, 1500 tri-droids on the top racks, with a few thousand hyena bombers to go out with the second or third wave, combined with a droid control system to coordinate the fighters attacks and the Luchrehulk becomes a fleet unto itself.
When I hear statements like "The Munificent was built in the MILLIONS" my mind kinda goes blank.
A million anything, is such a staggeringly large number, that I can almost picture so many of these ships brought to a space battle that the only concern they would ever have, is not running into each other.
Combined with the other type ships the CIS could employ, they could have easily wiped out any opposing fleet. I guess the Republic was just "lucky" ? 🙃
Palapatine : Yes
Darth Sidious : Your time has come to end today (laughs in blue sith lightning)
would love to see some of the other CIS ships explored
Lucrehulks for my money are some of the best ships out there for what they are; monsters in terms of transport capacity, brutes in terms of firepower and bastions in terms of shielding. If I wanted to blockade a planet or take it on the ground, I could park one of these in system with a few of the lighter ships in support and mostly call the system secure. If one could keep up with more modern ISDs I could see those making for a terribly dangerous fleet needing only the addition of an interdiction field to be complete.
I cannot help but wonder what a "super" Lucrehulk could have been.
for me it is the most providence in itself it is good in all ways and very fast lukerhulk it is written by a mobile station
What happened at the Battle of Naboo was an exception and in the Clone Wars series S4:E9 we saw that the Separatist's had equipped even their supply ships with shields to prevent attack on the main reactor from with in the hanger. A hard lesson learned that I'm sure the Lucrehulk has been adapted for.
The Lucrehulk is without a doubt the most powerful; but I imagine its use was probably restricted to blockades and planetary invasions. Out of the other three if I were commanding a CIS fleet I would like to have the Providence as my flagship just because I would want my own squadron of fighters crewed by non droid ace pilots which would give me a more adaptable fighter wing.
The Providence can fly with half the ship though.
the main problem i have with the Lukrehulk is it was never designed as a warship and that ALWAYS means severe compromises will have to be made somewhere. Its weaposn are shown to be inaccurate prpbabnly a byproduct of being bolted onto what is a giant freighter never intended to be mdofied like this. And due to their distribution, only a small amout of the overall firepower can target all be the largest single ship. The hulk does however make a very good command and carrier ship sitting in the middle of a fleet, its guns pointing in LITERALLY every direction makes it perfect as the centre and its command and carrier role also would necessitate this so these are not problems if proper fleet formation is maintained.
Yeah it's like using a super freighter with artillery and an runway bolted on top. It can sure fit a lot of stuff on the inside, but it's bigger because it was supposed to be stuffed with cargo containers, not service starfighter squadrons or withstand turbolaser blasts.
Basically a big box in space.
its heavy turbolasers are quite deadly though, they took out a large quantity of the naboo starfighters in episode I
@@igncom1 more liek a big donut in space LOL. i would love to see alternate version that where DESIGNED as a warship from the get go.
@@giberr6628 those were quad lasers and would be useless against must capital ships. those are anti-pirate weapons and each battery of 3 can only realistically engage a single ship at a time and with very lmited traverse it would be easy for a swarm of fast a nd small ships to get close without an escort as cover. as there are only 48 of them on the orginal Hulk which is NOT VERY MUCH for such a huge ship.
@@IronWarhorsesFun I see your point, and yeah 48 really isn't as much as I thought. love the lucrehulk but it wouldn't stand a chance without municifents or other escorts in orbit
The way I look at it is which one gave the most comparative advantage compared to the Republic. That would still be the Lucreholk, but mostly because it facilitates the Confederacy's greatest advantage: numbers. The Lucreholk could send hundreds of starfighters at the enemy, overwhelming them, while it itself was so well protected it wasn't a liability in any situation.
What about the Separatist supply ships? Why don't they get mention? From what I heard, they originally used the Lucrehulk battleships as the supply ships but since those ships are part of the Trade Federation's symbols, the Separatists manufactured their own supply ships that were first featured in the Battle of Umbara instead. So if it is possible, I would like to hear more about the Separatist supply ships in the future because these vessels are one of my favorites in Star Wars.
Imagine if the CIS mass produced thousands of the Malevolence ships from the early CW episodes. The Republic wouldn’t stand a chance in space.
even the CIS couldn't pull that off. and when you lose one, oh boy.
The separatists fleet is honestly so well designed
Every ship was a powerhouse
Ironically all of the massive warships of the Confederacy were vital in the strategic force of their navy, and no doubt that each ship was purposely design to fulfill a role within the Navy, and no singular ship was relied to be the back bone of the CIS Navy compared to the Venators.
You say as if this is a con. Having an all purpose ship severely limits your fleet capabilities. The venator is well loved and has good firepower and durability, but its expensive, slow, predictable, too clunky and requires a living crew. And the acclamator is a walking coffin during fights against any of these CIS ships, even a munificent.
Its a freaking miracle the republic won any space battles at all. Jedi will do that I guess.
@@oom-3262 there is only so many strategy’s that could form with Venators, and the Republic knew themselves that why they were building the Victory Star Destroyer to shore up the weak points of their Navy.
@@oom-3262 The actual answer is really just plot armor/convenience, but iirc it's canonically explained that the Jedi leading the Clone army and Sidious orchestrating the entire war being the main reasons why the Republic won anything at all. But yeah in all seriousness the CIS (with hundreds of warships and millions of Battle Droids) military could've and should've been able to wipe the galactic floor with the Clone army regardless of being led by Jedi or not; if you'll recall the Republic military only numbered about 200,000 clones at the start of the Clone Wars, nearly all of which were supposedly transported to Geonosis by a total of merely 12 Acclamator-class ships, and the Jedi command structure was just improvised in at the last second.
@@oom-3262 I don't think they did say it as a con
@@TacticianMark Palpatine is the reason why the Galactic won , but also the reason why it could have failed . He's the one to decide , and also without him the CIS wouldn't exist at all if not for count dooku acting his wishes .
just put 5 munificent in front of a provendince, and luchrehulks should just have 2-3 providences for more AntiAir suport
I think an ideal Separatist fleet comp is 1 Lucrehulk, 2 Providences and 5+ Munificents. Lucrehulk and Providences should actually be at the front to take advantage of their durability, while Munificents maneuver into position and use their mega cannons to overwhelm single target after single target, to steadily cut down the damage of the opposing side and prevent the frontline from being overwhelmed.
The munificent is massively underrated. Their low production cost makes them easy to field in numbers, sure, but that also means you have the numbers for more tactical flexibility. That combined with its massively powerful ultra heavy turbolasers and lightweight construction (relative to its size) means that in the hands of a competent commander, even a relatively even fight ton-for-ton against other heavier vessels would likely be in the Munificent's favor. Their secondary armaments being along the "wings" also gives each gun a wide field of view, allowing it to concentrate its fire on targets front, side or rear with few blind spots.
Honestly, if the bridge wasn't so exposed it would be a near-perfect warship.
Providence, quick, effective land invasions and not bad for space battles either...
I love the providence but specially the dreadnought variant. It’s a glass canon for sure but it can dish out crazy damage at very long range
Providence is better as it dedicated warship and have modular construction. Its bigger dreadnought variant can do the Lucrehulk job. The reason is that the in its core Lucrehulk is a civilian ship, no matter how much armor and weapons you put on it, you cant change the structure which wasnt made to survive heavy fire or to support large amounts of weapons
It’s the Frigates that are my favorite
If I was a rebel cell I would want magnificent class in my fleet.
Definitely agree with your conclusion. Thought this would featured that big sphere shaped CIS ship until I looked it up and learned it was just a supply ship. That's a big fuckin supply ship which, if armed and retrofitted right, could have been a useful asset for the CIS fleets. Especially they would be employed like Lucrehulk's were since they would end up sharing the same pros and cons in the end. Or at least I don't see any practical way to fix the sublight mobility issues that both deal with
Sounds like we need a similar for GAR ships. That must've been just as good or better to have any real chances of doing alright seeing as how outnumbered Republic Navy counterparts typically were
As mentioned, the backbone of the separatist navy was paper. Munificents punch good but can't take the heat. I imagine many commanders lost them in large numbers, particularly with Sidious making sure the Separatists never got too far ahead.
@@chaotixthefox occasionally we know FOR SURE it was Sideous with that ingenious massive trap/counter attack that opened the events of ROTS... Odd that no one figured out that it was HIS doing either as the Chancellor or the Dark lord. Or that moving all those many unit assets and plans that no one learned of the others ACTUAL plans and deployments even purely by something becoming too much to keep strait or totally on accident.
If we are referring to carrier, battleship, the lucerhulk, main line, warship, for several roles, the munificent.
Honestly the large fighter compliment could counter the lack of mobility the lucrehulk had. Just send bombers or strike fighters to deal with ships that were too quick
I think of lucrehulks as the S tier of defense ships but a lackluster assault craft. They’re essentially a moveable space station/weapons platform but moveable isn’t necessarily maneuverable. I think assaulting a planet with a lucrehaulk as your center piece instead of the multiple providences you could get for the same price would be a silly plan.
The Lucrehulk is probably my favorite and in my opinion one of the best.
Not only do you have an easily mass produced Army that could be controlled via the ships, you also have the Vulture droids.
With the right mixture of tactics and support vessels (like the Providence), Lucrehulks could easily be the star on most battlefields.
Well it's hard to argue how awesome the Lucrehulk is given its a Battleship Supercarrier but I've always been a fan of the Providence class given that it was really the only ship built from the ground up as a true warship and not just modified. Really the equal to the Venator class ships. The Munificent is of course another favorite of mine that I would've called the best given it could be made in such numbers to cover a large portion of the galaxy on every front vs larger warships. The Recusant always felt a bit redundant given its not that much different in armor and firepower to the Munificent and if you go by the old cross section books the Munificent is faster, has longer range and holds more deactivated droids than the Recusant. But hey that's just my thoughts on it.
So the ideal CIS fleet would be to have a Lucrehulk in the middle, a few munificents behind it because this way the Lucrehulk will shields the munificents while they can shoot at long range targets. Have a few Recusants sit in front of the Lucrehulk because of their anti fighter weaponry, and then have the Providence in the front of the fleet.
Recusant wasn't just great for long range anti ship battles, but it made an excellent AA boat for fleets. I personally like them all, I don't really have a favorite because they all have different uses, but the Providence, in just Destroyer/Carrier form alone is terrifying. The ungodly amount of *proton* torpedoes those things should be firing is insane. And I feel as if the CIS found such a great way to counter the limited Lucrehulks, by letting essentially unlimited Vulture droids be able to latch onto Munificent hulls. It could easily fit two hundred, most likely more. So slap in three Munificents and you could bring six hundred fighters to the party easily. Either way, all the ships are amazingly designed.
did anyone else use a Lukerhulk besides the CIS and the Rebel Aliance?
cause it honestly feels like it would be the best mobile base you could scavange
The empire but only as a training ship for pilots
the republic at war mod for the empire at war game, shows just how op lucrehulks are, even with game mechanics
that compliment of small crafts means that it can alone take on multiple venators at the same time, a single venator only had ~500 ships, this has 100 times that, even with valuing droid fighters at .3 ship, it's still overwhelming
theoretically the lucrehulks should be unapproachable by anything they don't want close, the republic's best bet would be to rush it before it can deploy fighters, but even that is unlikely as it has 8 hangar doors
Double the upload, double the enjoyment
i like the munificent, the general sherman of star wars capital ships.
how about a what-if? if you designed a fleet with your own custom Star Wars-style ships.
an example I would say 1~3 Impierla Star Destroyer for ship-to-ship combat, 2 victory set up with missiles for long range, 2 Acclamator-class assault ship for ground attack, 1~2 Venator-class Star Destroyer with a focus on starfighters, 1 Interdictor-class Star Destroyer to prevent escape, 4 Screeing Impiral Nebula B, and 6 CR90 corvette with 2 Turbo Lasers but the other quad Laser for fighter screening.
“No ship in either Clone Wars era navy could even come close to matching the sheer firepower of the Lucrehulk.”
Subjugator class, with 2 mega ion cannons, 500 dual turbo lasers, 400 point defense twin laser turrets, and 10 proton torpedo launchers: “Am I a joke to you?”
(Not saying it should’ve been in the comparison though, it’s clearly a very rare ship in the Confederate navy)
still they should have made more of them and proabbly would have if not for Palpatine running the show.
Never forget the Mandators
And the Maelstrom too
@@IronWarhorsesFun they could make versions without the ion cannon, but yeah the Subjugator class will be an absolute powerhouse to deal with.
honestly the lucrehulk is just the best designed ship in starwars in my opinion lol. So much thought went into its design from a concept art perspective and that really just tickles my fancy. the fact that its probably the largest carrier also really pushes my liking from a starwars point of view cause fighters often win the day.
The lucrehulk is in my opinion the best designed capital ship in star wars
(Edit) I do want to add, you mentioned that no ship in either fleet could match it in firepower. But this is simply not true, the mediator preator and subjugators all outgunned it but granted were so rare they were almost never seen. And it wouldn't surprise me if the tector star destroyer would also outgun it.
I always liked the CIS fleet. I will say the thing I like the most is how the Providence is clearly a precursor to the famed MC80. I think some members of Free-Dac made it back to Mon Cala's resistance against the empire.
All of that fancy tactical stuff is great, but the lucrehulk is the only ship that got its own theme in Battlefront II.
The best thing about separatist ships is that they can carry thousands of Volture droids since they don't really need a hangar
Those things were fun to destroy in the space battles of the original battlefront 2
Something I've always wondered... For most ships in the CIS I'd expect the crew to be exclusively droids. While certainly the admirals have almost always been organic, the supporting ships in those fleets are shown to be headed by droids. For those ships, why does there always seem to be air in them? And when there are intruders, why would the solution not just to be vent the air in non critical areas? Wouldn't pretty much just the bridge be needed? And if there's a concern of lack of air long term, it just has to last the battle then the ship could lower to the nearest planet and just add air back in
great video keep it up love these starship series
Lucrehulks are definitely the biggest pain in the galaxy of war game.
The Clone wars completely understated the power of the Lucrehulks. It is laughable that during the battle of Ryloth, the Republic only fielded three Venators against not only a Lucrehulk but also several munificents. But plot armor saved the day once again.
well they lost one venator and needed to slam a second one to destroy it
it would be absolutely horrific if the Subjugator class made it into mass production. it seems like the perfect ship to complement the Lucrehulk in case of a fleet attack, while the Lucrehulk launches hundreds if not thousands of starfighters in the safety of the Subjugator ships.
Great video
The Malevolence is pretty powerful tbh if they would cover up the place where the torpedoes hit Malevolence would probaly clap
4:21 I guess that's why it wasn't completely destroyed in episode 3
Maybe not the best but I adore the Subjugators so much, they may have only had 5 (not counting the Malevolence) but they were fleet killers with genius use of ion pulse weaponry
The providence class dreadnought will always be my favourite