Worse. WTF is up with Taash of all people calling Emmrich all these names "Because he is one?" Because Taash, you're biologically a woman, but you'd have a huge issue with him calling you that, and that's not even a bad name. And also the weak-ass non-apology where Taash won't even admit what Taash said "I'm sorry for calling you a skull f*cker." What? You were fine with calling him that, but now that it comes time to apologize the words won't even come out of your mouth? You won't even admit what you said? Meanwhile Isabella over there is doing push ups to show her sincerity for what was ultimately a mistake and not a deliberate act?
To be fair, the actual argument in the beginning is passable. It's not going to win any awards, but it didn't make me cringe or roll my eyes too much. The problem is when Rook comes in, summarizes the reason why the two don't get along, and then suddenly the two instantly make up. Like, what the fuck? If all it took for you two idiots to start playing nice was for someone to literally state why you two don't like each other, why argue in the first place? It trivializes and infantilizes the reasons you don't like each other in the first place??? You could have had a small arc about the two learning to at least tolerate and work together over the course of the game or something. Why even make them argue in the first place if it gets resolved over the course of a single conversation??
@@aqua5758 No, that is my own conclusion because that's what it comes off as or at least a parody of that. Telling if others are getting similar impressions.
Morrigan and Alistair's arguing would never be resolved because there are fundamental differences between how they perceive the world and could not be settled by a quick talk. Alistair would prefer to die than sleep with the witch.
@@daxbald3659 The irony is Taash keep calling Emmrich "Deathmage" despite he reportedly asking not to be called like that, while she expects others to respect how she wants to be referred as.
Admittedly they both have reasonable concerns with the other's interests. Corpses aren't supposed to be up and about, and dragons are dangerous creatures that really aren't tamable. There's also a practical age and cultural gap. As Josephine pointed out, common ground is often the best way to form peaceful cooperation, and on the surface, these two couldn't be any more different. Sometimes intervention isn't a bad thing and Emmrich at least knew to grab it when it became clear there was wall between him and Taash.
The problem with this debate is that there's nothing in it that should have risen to the level of needing the player's intervention. If you were going to do something with this, it should have been banter in the background while walking. The two of them should have sorted it out themselves. Like Iron Bull and Dorian do if you take them out enough. I remember them not liking each other in the beginning if my memory isn't playing tricks on me.
Kind wish this dispute was dragged out and they either got along together on their own or agreed to work together but keep their distance. I understand where both sides are coming from, but the game is not beating Rook being HR guy allegations. Think it would be more impactful if they came to this conclusion on their own rather than having Rook intervene. If the writers are desperate to have Rook have a say then a possibility could be instead of Rook automatically making them reconcile, their spat goes on for a while and one of them goes to Rook for advice on how the situation. Rook gives them advice and either it causes them to become friends or makes them more distant from each other. Either way they in the end they agree to work with each other no matter what. But whether they become friends or reluctant acquaintances depends on the advice you give.
I hate that Taash just walks into Emmerichs room and starts demanding things of him then they complain about all the necromancy. Bruh, you walked into his room where he keeps his stuff. He didn’t force u to go anywhere near necromancy if u didn’t rant to. You walked in and picked a fight with him.
Kinda ironic how the non-binary character, that has a full arc about being labeled the right way, is the one who labels Emmrich as "corpse guy" and "death mage" even if it hurts him. And when he points it out, they responds "What? You are a death mage". Even funnier is the fact that you can tell Emmrich to apologize to Taash but not the opposite. Do you think it was intentional or is it just plain bad writing?
Ok, I'm not gonna judge the game based on this one conversation, but I am going to judge this one conversation. That was WEAK. That was like watching children fight and you had to be the adult to make them get along. I'm not above adult characters acting petty or childish, but that wasn't even entertainingly childish, it was just pathetic.
It's sadly far from the only example of this kind of poor writing in the game and it's one of the things I was afraid of. Making everyone play nice to the point that it resembles a bad kid's show about learning how to share.
The writers are basically trapped in mental arrested devlopment. If this feels like toddlers figthing, it's because that's the mental level the writers have.
For some people it's not so much the arguement but the fact that the whole conflict-resolution played out like a children's storybook written for elementary school kids. If BioWare were true to the franchise and the game's M rating, we would've got the option to side with one character or another, to actually take a view on the topic rather than just pretend we got choices.
Dragon Age characters used to argue about complicated issues with no clear answer, like the Mage Circles and Templar/Mage divide, or the “proper” role for elves in a human-dominated world. Now they argue about dumb shit like this where the player can simply avoid having an opinion and go “Now now, what if you two just tried to understand each other and get along”. Hell, not only CAN you do it, it’s practically the only reasonable, mature option you can realistically take. Because the companions are too stupid to come up with “just respect each other and coexist peacefully” on their own…
And given the whole arc of Taash and them playing victim of a judgmental world it feels quite ironic THEY be judging his preferences and lifestyle. Double standards
Kinda interesting isn't it? A character that has a whole arc in the game about forcing people accepting pronouns, constantly call other peoples' names that they can't stand.. humm
The juxtaposition between a kind and well spoken older gentlemen and such a traditionally neferious sphere of magic as necromancy does indeed work in favour of creating an interesting and likable character.
Taash sounds like shes 5. trapped in a theythem body. the speed that emmrich turned 'accommodating' is jarring as well. He was right to be insulted because taash didnt extend the same courtesy.. just sort of demands this and that... like young children with gentle parenting skills that failed and they end up just being some messed up entitled kid with tantrum issues.
It's not jarring at all, Emmrich is a very compassionate understanding person. Those type of people are often willing to be the bigger person and extend courtesy to people that maybe "don't deserve it". Some people don't enjoy being angry with others, he had his main grievance addressed so he was more than fine to be nice with her again and hope his politeness would eventually be mirrored. There is a reason they try to teach people to treat others how you want to be treated.
@@Exaltable :) i understand, but it doesnt take 1 line like this. Especially the when it's coming from a 'non-deserving' party that is an adult. From a storytelling point of view, this sounds like lazy writing; create conflict, solve it magically. Where is ther growth? The character development? Just sounds like patronising of the character. But hey, if you like it, it's fine. I'm just sharing what I feel.
Emmrich directly told Taash his name (and it seems this is not the first time), but they stubbornly continues to call him whatever they want. Maybe he should start calling Taash "she" instead of what they wants to be called? Why not, at least it would be fair, if you don't respect the wishes and feelings of others and constantly insults them, then others don't have to respect you just because you want them to and aggressively demand it.
I really don't get the people saying this is bad writing. I thought it was in character for Taash to be dense enough to need Rook's intervention and the "misunderstanding" wasn't big enough to warrant an argument. Not every disagreement will escalate like a Fenris/Anders deal.
Do you think that making the non binary character, who has a full arc on being labeled in the right way (aka how they want), labels Emmrich as "corpse guy" even if it hurts him is good writing? Or making Taash say "What? You are a death mage" doesn't strike you as odd?
@@The_Armstrong I think people irl are emotionally dense. Not everyone has high empathy and Taash struck me as someone who had issues with that + only being able to relate to their personal world view and lived experiences (unlike someone like Neve or Emmrich, for example). A character doesn't need to be written in a non hypocritical matter to be consistent with their characterization.
I see nothing wrong with this conversation. This game is far more lighthearted in some ways that other DA games, I get that. I do. But how many DA games have to have the ethical discussions of mages in politics? I grew weary of discussion how mages could have the potential to be evil. “I find it weird but maybe we can understand each other” is at least different.
I would agree with you if the theme wasn't brought up by a teacher separating two children that are fighting. Also, oh the irony that Taash is the one who labels others when she hates to be labeled and have her story arc focused on that theme.
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This is like a mix between an adult solving a dispute between children and an HR consuling session.
Worse.
WTF is up with Taash of all people calling Emmrich all these names "Because he is one?" Because Taash, you're biologically a woman, but you'd have a huge issue with him calling you that, and that's not even a bad name.
And also the weak-ass non-apology where Taash won't even admit what Taash said "I'm sorry for calling you a skull f*cker." What? You were fine with calling him that, but now that it comes time to apologize the words won't even come out of your mouth? You won't even admit what you said? Meanwhile Isabella over there is doing push ups to show her sincerity for what was ultimately a mistake and not a deliberate act?
To be fair, the actual argument in the beginning is passable. It's not going to win any awards, but it didn't make me cringe or roll my eyes too much.
The problem is when Rook comes in, summarizes the reason why the two don't get along, and then suddenly the two instantly make up.
Like, what the fuck? If all it took for you two idiots to start playing nice was for someone to literally state why you two don't like each other, why argue in the first place?
It trivializes and infantilizes the reasons you don't like each other in the first place??? You could have had a small arc about the two learning to at least tolerate and work together over the course of the game or something. Why even make them argue in the first place if it gets resolved over the course of a single conversation??
Did you hear that from a youtuber sweetpea
@@aqua5758 No, that is my own conclusion because that's what it comes off as or at least a parody of that. Telling if others are getting similar impressions.
I hate that the choices are so limited. Would love the side with one of them in the argument cuz Taash is in the wrong here 100%.
Yeah, the worst Emmrich did was be oblivious. Taash is being intentionally intolerant towards Emmrich and his religion.
"You ARE a deathmage."
"Well you ARE a woman."
Emmrich deserves so much better.
Morrigan and Alistair's arguing would never be resolved because there are fundamental differences between how they perceive the world and could not be settled by a quick talk. Alistair would prefer to die than sleep with the witch.
Allister can have a kid with Morrigan.
@@Dragonage2ftw The player has to convince him to do it. Alister would prefer death.
Oh the irony...
Somebody asks this man whats the irony, please. xD
@@daxbald3659 The irony is Taash keep calling Emmrich "Deathmage" despite he reportedly asking not to be called like that, while she expects others to respect how she wants to be referred as.
Admittedly they both have reasonable concerns with the other's interests. Corpses aren't supposed to be up and about, and dragons are dangerous creatures that really aren't tamable. There's also a practical age and cultural gap. As Josephine pointed out, common ground is often the best way to form peaceful cooperation, and on the surface, these two couldn't be any more different.
Sometimes intervention isn't a bad thing and Emmrich at least knew to grab it when it became clear there was wall between him and Taash.
The problem with this debate is that there's nothing in it that should have risen to the level of needing the player's intervention.
If you were going to do something with this, it should have been banter in the background while walking. The two of them should have sorted it out themselves. Like Iron Bull and Dorian do if you take them out enough. I remember them not liking each other in the beginning if my memory isn't playing tricks on me.
But if you have an issue with someone and keep calling them names, you generally don't ask them for favours too.
5 year old dialog
Kind wish this dispute was dragged out and they either got along together on their own or agreed to work together but keep their distance.
I understand where both sides are coming from, but the game is not beating Rook being HR guy allegations. Think it would be more impactful if they came to this conclusion on their own rather than having Rook intervene.
If the writers are desperate to have Rook have a say then a possibility could be instead of Rook automatically making them reconcile, their spat goes on for a while and one of them goes to Rook for advice on how the situation. Rook gives them advice and either it causes them to become friends or makes them more distant from each other. Either way they in the end they agree to work with each other no matter what. But whether they become friends or reluctant acquaintances depends on the advice you give.
I hate that Taash just walks into Emmerichs room and starts demanding things of him then they complain about all the necromancy.
Bruh, you walked into his room where he keeps his stuff.
He didn’t force u to go anywhere near necromancy if u didn’t rant to. You walked in and picked a fight with him.
Taash: Don't call me something I am not!
Also Taash: Makes fun of Emmrich/calls him names.
Normal mindset of the cult.
Kinda ironic how the non-binary character, that has a full arc about being labeled the right way, is the one who labels Emmrich as "corpse guy" and "death mage" even if it hurts him. And when he points it out, they responds "What? You are a death mage".
Even funnier is the fact that you can tell Emmrich to apologize to Taash but not the opposite.
Do you think it was intentional or is it just plain bad writing?
I hate the double standards, it's just bad writing - Taash has a terrible attitude and you should be able to tell Taash to fuck right off
So, she wants everyone to call her "them", but she's running around calling everyone whatever she likes. Okay.
People like her are always like that
Emmrich doesn't identify as a "death mage". Why is it so hard for Taash to respect his identity?
Ok, I'm not gonna judge the game based on this one conversation, but I am going to judge this one conversation. That was WEAK. That was like watching children fight and you had to be the adult to make them get along. I'm not above adult characters acting petty or childish, but that wasn't even entertainingly childish, it was just pathetic.
It's sadly far from the only example of this kind of poor writing in the game and it's one of the things I was afraid of. Making everyone play nice to the point that it resembles a bad kid's show about learning how to share.
The writers are basically trapped in mental arrested devlopment. If this feels like toddlers figthing, it's because that's the mental level the writers have.
I’d rather hear Varric and Blackwall talk on endlessly about jousting.
For some people it's not so much the arguement but the fact that the whole conflict-resolution played out like a children's storybook written for elementary school kids. If BioWare were true to the franchise and the game's M rating, we would've got the option to side with one character or another, to actually take a view on the topic rather than just pretend we got choices.
Im Mass Effect we had the option to end companion arguments by killing one or both of them. But talking to them like first graders is ok 2 :(
Dragon Age characters used to argue about complicated issues with no clear answer, like the Mage Circles and Templar/Mage divide, or the “proper” role for elves in a human-dominated world.
Now they argue about dumb shit like this where the player can simply avoid having an opinion and go “Now now, what if you two just tried to understand each other and get along”. Hell, not only CAN you do it, it’s practically the only reasonable, mature option you can realistically take. Because the companions are too stupid to come up with “just respect each other and coexist peacefully” on their own…
There’s numerous topics they debate throughout the game, tourist.
And given the whole arc of Taash and them playing victim of a judgmental world it feels quite ironic THEY be judging his preferences and lifestyle. Double standards
@@Dragonage2ftwexamples?
Kinda interesting isn't it? A character that has a whole arc in the game about forcing people accepting pronouns, constantly call other peoples' names that they can't stand.. humm
I like Emmrich well enough from what I’ve seen but Taash… she’s a bit annoying
The juxtaposition between a kind and well spoken older gentlemen and such a traditionally neferious sphere of magic as necromancy does indeed work in favour of creating an interesting and likable character.
pull a bharv now for misgendering Taash, you brute
God couldnt they have made the nonbinary representation even remotely likeable
Taash sounds like shes 5. trapped in a theythem body. the speed that emmrich turned 'accommodating' is jarring as well. He was right to be insulted because taash didnt extend the same courtesy.. just sort of demands this and that... like young children with gentle parenting skills that failed and they end up just being some messed up entitled kid with tantrum issues.
It's not jarring at all, Emmrich is a very compassionate understanding person. Those type of people are often willing to be the bigger person and extend courtesy to people that maybe "don't deserve it". Some people don't enjoy being angry with others, he had his main grievance addressed so he was more than fine to be nice with her again and hope his politeness would eventually be mirrored.
There is a reason they try to teach people to treat others how you want to be treated.
@@Exaltable :) i understand, but it doesnt take 1 line like this. Especially the when it's coming from a 'non-deserving' party that is an adult. From a storytelling point of view, this sounds like lazy writing; create conflict, solve it magically. Where is ther growth? The character development? Just sounds like patronising of the character. But hey, if you like it, it's fine. I'm just sharing what I feel.
Emmrich directly told Taash his name (and it seems this is not the first time), but they stubbornly continues to call him whatever they want. Maybe he should start calling Taash "she" instead of what they wants to be called? Why not, at least it would be fair, if you don't respect the wishes and feelings of others and constantly insults them, then others don't have to respect you just because you want them to and aggressively demand it.
The absolute irony of the token non binary character saying this 0:48
I wish there was an option to tell her "What? You ARE a woman."
BioWare, now with struggle sessions
I swear to the Maker it's like hurting cats and children. Rook is their companion's caretaker in daycare.
how can biowares writing just be soooo shit....rhe whole thing is a letdown
laaaaameeeee....
the plot was written by a 15 year old? what absolute nonsense is this?
"You are a women."
I really don't get the people saying this is bad writing. I thought it was in character for Taash to be dense enough to need Rook's intervention and the "misunderstanding" wasn't big enough to warrant an argument. Not every disagreement will escalate like a Fenris/Anders deal.
Do you think that making the non binary character, who has a full arc on being labeled in the right way (aka how they want), labels Emmrich as "corpse guy" even if it hurts him is good writing?
Or making Taash say "What? You are a death mage" doesn't strike you as odd?
@@The_Armstrong I think people irl are emotionally dense. Not everyone has high empathy and Taash struck me as someone who had issues with that + only being able to relate to their personal world view and lived experiences (unlike someone like Neve or Emmrich, for example). A character doesn't need to be written in a non hypocritical matter to be consistent with their characterization.
I see nothing wrong with this conversation.
This game is far more lighthearted in some ways that other DA games, I get that. I do.
But how many DA games have to have the ethical discussions of mages in politics? I grew weary of discussion how mages could have the potential to be evil.
“I find it weird but maybe we can understand each other” is at least different.
I would agree with you if the theme wasn't brought up by a teacher separating two children that are fighting.
Also, oh the irony that Taash is the one who labels others when she hates to be labeled and have her story arc focused on that theme.
God this looks awful
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this is just sad.