The daedalus class has been shown in canon to execute several intrasystem tactical hyper jumps as so be able to hit and run attack much larger opponents. Might be a factor to consider.
Thanks for granting my request. I've been wanting somebody on YT to make a video like this. However, there are a few things that you've overlooked when it comes to the shield strength of both ships. Asgard beam weapons would make short work of the Infinity's shields. Energy-based weapons can drain both Covenant and UNSC shields much quicker than kinetic based weaponry. I'd rank their shield strength below that of the Goa'uld shields which are by far the weakest in the Stargate series, while the strongest are from the Ancients, Asgard, and Ori. Two Goa'uld motherships (Ha'tak) easily withstood hits from two naquadah enhanced nukes, which had yield of 1000 megatons. That is about 33x more powerful than UNSC's HAVOK nukes, that's only at 30 megatons. The Odyssey is equipped with the strongest shields and weapons ever designed by the Asgard. Other than a NOVA bomb, the Odyssey can withstand anything the Infinity can throw at it, same can't be said for the opposite.
I disagree on several points. I think the power scale between the universes are almost never fully appreciated. In universe, the shields of the infinity are no joke. The shield is forerunner based, along with the slip space drive, engines and other parts. The benefits that brings can not be overstated. Literally in the opening sequence she's seen barreling through a covenants RCS, which has never been seen in universe before and until then, was a formidable vessel in its own right. Maybe the misunderstanding stems from viewing the covenant and the FORERUNNERS in underestimated fashion. The covenant were very powerful. Humanity's only hope was the skism that fractured the covenant with infighting. I mean, they had multiple vessels at 29km in length. The high charity, with was built over a forerunner dreadnought was 505km by 348 km. The mantles approach, which was a flagship of the didact was 143km by 371km by 138 km. Vessels that long in the stargate universe is probably unfathomable. The hull was made completely out of programmable matter, and powered by "hardlight and energy bonds" They built countless halo rings at 10,000km capable of only targeting organic matter, rendering an entire galaxy void of life. They could prematurely collapse stars to create planets in 10,000 years. Their "slipspace" drives, granted them near instant teleportation in space. They also had things like Dyson spheres, and were able to contain them inside artificial planets and shield worlds. In my opinion, the forerunners technology is too advanced compared to that of the ancients, or anything else we've seen in stargate. With the infinity incorporating technology from both the forerunner and covenant, im sure you are not fully grasping her capabilities. The infinity has top of the line series 8 macs, which pierced the shields and hull of the mantles approach. Id really like to know what you think though, as I'm not extremely knowledgeable about either universes. I tried to be as unbiased as possible. Cheers mate
@@theman21ops The things you've described are only true for actual Forerunner made vessels and tech. Bare in mind that, that the some of tech utilized Infinity and covenant vessels are simply based on Forerunner design. The new shields, weapons, and power core of the Odyssey were personally outfitted by the Asgard, along with the entirety of their knowledge and history. Allow it to battle and destroy multiple ships several times larger than itself. In terms of FTL capabilities, hyperspace travel in Stargate are shown to be much faster than Halo's slipspace. As ships of the BC-304 class are capable of intergalactic level of travel, it can travel from the Milky Way to Pegasus galaxy in 4 days (with ZPM) or 3 weeks (without ZPM) depending on the power source. The Ancients, Asgard, and Ori are noted to be even faster. The Infinity on the other hand is only at an interstellar level. The travel time can vary and can affected by certain anomalies and phenomenons unique to slipspace, such as reconciliation debt. Even Forerunner vessels weren't immune to such a phenomenon.
@@Connor.SG-1Ring But don't understated infinity..it literally ramp through a covenant ships with shields(for the record covenant shields can withstand multiple havoc nuke attack). Infinity's shields is so powerful that it absorbs all that immense force like nothing and continued it's own way.. Also forerunner shield technology is lot more advanced than that of all the advanced Stargate ships can offer and yet Infinity with its supper mac has managed to take down and tear through its hull of one of the most advance forerunner ships.. Forerunner are crazy advance race to the point that it makes Stargate ancients technology like a child's play.. no need to mention Asgard technologies..
@@doleh8477 The shield strength featured in the Stargate series displayed far better feats than those in Halo. As I mentioned up above, Goa'uld shields can withstand a naquadah-enhanced nuke _(Goa'uld-buster)_ which is at 1,000 megatons, while it takes multiple nukes _(HAVOK or Shiva-class)_ each with a yield of 30-80 megatons to overwhelm Covenant shields. The shields are also able to endure the heat and radiation from the coronasphere of a blue giant star, for up to 10 hours and with no danger to its crew _(SG-1 S05E01 Enemies)._ Note, Goa'uld shields are among the weakest in the series. The Odyssey's sister ship Daedalus _(with ZPM)_ deflected a coronal mass ejection, and this occurred before it aquire the final upgrades from the Asgard. m.th-cam.com/video/sQf-tlmDfPo/w-d-xo.html The seedship Destiny is a far older vessel designed by the Ancients but it's shields are powerful enough to allow it to fly inside of stars in order to recharge. m.th-cam.com/video/vhAYMnLso2k/w-d-xo.html Only the Infinity's engines are noted to be of Forerunner design, while it's shields were reverse-engineered from the Covenant. Directed-energy weapons can deplete those type of shields faster than projectile based weapons. The Mantle's Approach didn't appear to have activated it's shields when it got shot by the Infinity's MAC, as energy shields would normally glow when struck. It doesn't really matter whether or not the Infinity's super MAC could pierce through the Odyssey's shields, given that its a smaller vessel as well as being too fast and maneuverable for it to hit. The Forerunners were indeed very advanced but I wouldn't call the Ancient/Lantean tech childs play. There areas in which the Ancients excel far better than the Forerunners, such as faster and efficient methods of FLT, instantaneous travel, communications, weather manipulation, time travel, time dilation, interdimensional travel, ascension.
This I a really interesting compare and contrast because the Infinity is real game changer for the UNSC it's a very capable ship and perfect capital ship. However the Odyssey in particular the Daedalus class ships are designed to fight well above their weight classes each time they square off against wraith hives ships that are close if not equal to the Infinity in size and scale. Even without the Asgrad technology was atleast able to square off and for limited time could hold off multiple hive ships no small feet given their capabilites. Honestly so far this a pretty fair analysis.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 yeah I love both ships but if had to choose one I would be riding around in the daedalus class because it does more with less and serving on Navy ships I learned less crew in sometimes better and having smaller ship is also much more efficient.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 I tend to think of the BC304 as comparable to the Normandy its Special Mission ship designed to support unconventional types of operations because of who they are designed to support.
The Daedalus-class was a mere shadow of its true potential. The Asgard systems on board were so advanced the humans couldn't fully power them, and ran the Hyperdrive, shields and weapons at a fraction of their true capability. The times weve seen a Daedalus-class boosted with a ZPM they became practically invincible, able to shrug off a Coronal-mass-ejection from a star with no damage.
Odyssey literally just needs to jump in, teleport a nuke or two and jump out. That's exactly how the Daedalus killed several Hive ships that were several times larger than itself.
Problem being doing that without being hit by one of the 11 ships it would be facing. The second problem being that the Infinity might actually take the explosion or Roland might teleport it right back out into space . Which would be very bad for the Odyssey because the Infinity has the ability to track objects at FTL speeds. Thanks to Forerunner technology.
@@John2r1 The nukes will explode just few seconds after the delivery plus they will have not enought time to get it out, if Odysey teleports a nuke in the middle of the Infinity, it's game over for the Infinity.
@@martinantab3520 And when the ships AI teleports the Nuke back and the Infinity's fleet opens up with everything they have to include launching Nova Bombs at the Odyssey. Or did you forget about the other 10 ships that were deployed as soon as the Infinity arrived ? Destroying the Infinity is a one way ticket to the UNSC vaporizing Stargates version of Earth. And there is absolutely nothing Stargate command has that will stop fleets of hundreds to thousands of ships wiping the floor with them. Overall this isn't a 1v1 it's a 1vs11 and the Odyssey is outclassed by the opposing force.
@@John2r1 Yeah sure buddy, the UNSC doesn't has that ability, unless you show me an example of UNSC teleporting bombs and boarding actions from their ships and stations into space. The Infinity would be destroyed before those outdated frigates would be deployed. the UNSC wouldn't know where StarGate's Earth is, let alone suspect it being in a different Galaxy. The BC-304s were designed to fight whole fleets alone.
The Odyssey and Daedalus class are the epitome of the winning a 10 sec gunfight come in fast and hit hard. Either that or supporting a very unconventional strike in true SG fashion.
That only works when the ship doesn't see them coming from well beyond visual range and the weapons systems aren't being controlled by a hyper advanced smart AI like Roland. Also the Infinity is not a fair fight anyways as the first thing it does other than launching spy drones ahead of where it's going is drop 10 frigates and launch fighters upon leaving slipspace. So the Odyssey is being put in a bad position from the start realistically.
@nobleman9393 Um when have they ever done either of those things in actual canon. Not something you pulled out of your ass. And do note I have watch the Stargate SG1 series including the episodes the Odyssey appeared in.
@@John2r1 Often, when they want to move into a specific position they just do it, What I said isn't any different from what the Daedalus did to a Wraith Hive Ship during The Battle of the Void, or when they predicted where a Wraith Fleet will jump out of the subspace in Season 1 they just went there and waited next to the exit point, when Asuran rebels gave them a device that allows for tracking of regular Asuran Ships they were just jumping next to them and blowing them up, all those mini jumps they were doing to avoid Ori Warships in season 10 or all those micro jumps they were doing when they were looking for Atlantis in episode "Adrift"
@nobleman9393 The first half of what you just said about them predicting where the Wraith hive ship would exit is an example of plot armor. The second half about the Asuran Rebels giving them a device capable of tracking Asuran ships is an example of Deus ex machina. They don't have a device to track the Infinity, they don't have any information about what Slipspace is and they know nothing about the UNSC and its technological capabilities. They literally have to do one of two things. Wait for the Infinity to show up with it's entire fleet or hope that some sort of plot armor gives them a chance. And they aren't getting plot armor here. Nor are they getting a device that allows them to track a ship from a faction they don't even know exists prior to this first contact scenario. Also the UNSC doesn't use Star Gates. So that ideal just went out the window. They are going to have to wait and see. If they want to run away using micro jumps that's fine. But how far can they run before the UNSC finds earth and they are forced to stand and fight. This of course is only because the video is a versus debate. Realistically the Infinity and her fleet are primarily deployed on an exploration mission along with being used for power protection and diplomacy. Also you need to account for the Infinity being capable of doing pin point accurate micro jumps as well and having at minimum 10 other ships with it. The Infinity and Eternity are the fastest ships in the fleet. And carry 10 ships with them. The rest of the fleet are shortly behind the Infinity. So this 1 v 1 will quickly become a 1vs 11 and then a 1 vs 24 as the 10 Autumn Class heavy cruisers and 3 Vindication-class Battleships catch up to the Infinity. This makes that ambush a very bad choice of tactic. Because while the Odyssey is attempting to attack the Infinity from behind, the Infinity is dropping 10 frigate class ships and launching hundreds to thousands of fighters armed with anti ship missiles. All sworming after the Odyssey. And a few seconds later 13 more ships show up. Because the UNSC doesn't fight fair. Pretty much every major faction in Halo has the firepower to destroy UNSC ships in a fair fight to the point that 3 on 1 vs the Covenant the UNSC expected to lose or have damaged 2 of 3 ships. They built the Infinity Class Supercarriers to be capable of taking on CSO class Supercarriers and win that firefight through overwhelming firepower and numbers via its compliment of internally docked ships. The 24 ships I am counting are just the warships not counting support ships which the Spirit of Fire is the most notable Phenix class support ship. Which yes are refitted and upgraded colony ships used to support entire fleets. There would likely be at least 2 of them serving a fleet of 24 warships . In other words numbers kill and the Infinity Class Supercarriers have a support fleet, namely Expeditionary Strike Group 1. Which the Infinity is the flagship of. Ambushing with a single ship isn't so easy against a fleet. Also the Infinity is packed with sensors and deploys recon drones ahead of entering a region to give the ship a clearer picture if what's in front of it. Yes, this means Captain Lasky intentionally rammed that ship in Halo 4 Spartan Ops. Because he knew he could. So if the Odyssey were to attempt an ambush. There is the off chance Rolland changes the course and rams the Odyssey on the way out of slipspace. Making that ideal a failure.
Does that really matter when it's going against a 5,694.2 meters by 833.3 meters wide by 1,041.2 meters in height , 907 million metric tons Supercarrier warship designed to take on ships that make it look like a fighter. And while the Odyssey is armed with 4 plasma beam weapons , 32 railguns and 16 missile launchers at the ready . And 16 fighters . The ship it's up against is armed with 4x Super MACs firing 6000 ton shells at 25% of the speed of light, 10× Mark 2551 MAC networks , 85× M85 Anti-Aircraft Gun networks/point defense networks, 830x Coilguns, and 27,040 missiles loaded in various missile systems throughout the massive ship. All of which can be controlled by Roland the Ship's executive officer and Smart AI. Then there are the 10 ships it carries with it which vary by the mission but are generally Frigate Classes. And they are shielded as well and armed to the teeth as well and each ship has a Smart AI. Then there are the metric shit ton of fighters and bombers that can be on board a ship that large. 16 fighters vs hundreds to thousands of fighters isn't a fight they can win. Before the reply about the Naquadah composite that the F-302 fighters are made out of . Two things to point out . One it's armed with two raiguns capable of firing projectiles at mach 5 and 4x wing-mounted long range AIM 120A air-to-air missiles . The F-41 Broadsword is shielded and carries 2x rapid-fire M1075 autocannons which in Halo are a classification of Coilgun. two M6088 ST/MMP missile pods mounted underneath the wings. The pod's standard munition is the AIM-90E dogfighting missiles , hard points for AAM-50XR dogfight missiles or AGM-79C anti-ship guided missiles and carries a 30 megaton excavation-grade HAVOK tactical nuclear weapon generally mounted in a guided missile. Oh and is capable of Mach 12. And the pilot is neural linked to the fighter. Note Spartans can also be pilots. And there isn't a human pilot capable of reacting as fast as a Spartan Pilot can. Meaning the minute those 16 pilots decide it's a bright ideal to engage the UNSC fighters will be the minute that they are killed by the UNSC fighters. Spartans are faster , stronger and can handle doing high G maneuvers that would kill a normal human pilot. So this debate isn't an easy fight regardless of how long the Odyssey is.
@@John2r1 Fighters can be ignored, they won't pierce the shields anyway, the Odyssey has to only kill the Infinity, once that's achieved the match is over.
@@nobleman9393 A few factors here first the fighters are carring Nuclear weapons ranging from 30 megatons to 200 megatons each fighter. And as soon as those 16 fighters the Odyssey sent out are destroyed the Infinity is going to open those giant hanger bays again releasing thousands upon thousands of B-65 Bombers armed with larger nukes and EMP bombs designed to take out enemy electronics. The B-65 Shortsword is basically a large B-2 Spirit on steroids that can carry approximately 3 times the payload of a B-1 Lancer . Which is capable of carrying 75,000 lbs or 37.5 tons of bombs meaning the B-65 is a stealth designed strategic bomber capable of space flight that can carry roughly 225,000 lbs or 112.5 tons of bombs. Now the shielding on the Odyssey like every other shielding system in sci fi it can only take so much damage before they fail. The XGBU-302 "disruption" bombs weigh 4,000 lbs each and are designed to knockout electronics within 2.1 miles or 3379.62 meters each. Meaning one of these bombs could knock out the electronics powering the shield system. And the SGC has no experience with an enemy has no experience with an enemy using EMP bombs against their electronics on their ships. Which leads to a major problem for the Odyssey because the Odyssey has no dedicated anti air weapons . So ignoring the fighters and bombers means having the shields hammered by weapons designed to knock out shields in addition to nukes being dropped on the ship. Essentially the crew isn't going to like being carpet bombed by a crap ton of craft in waves. Eventually the shield will go down and the Odyssey will be severely damaged probably crippled because these pilots aren't rookies. They know where to target on a ship to cause the most damage. IE they can't ignore the fighters and bombers doing runs on their ship. Because the shield matrix will gradually degrade under fire (rather quickly under sustained bombardment, resulting in more and more energy from attacks bleeding through and causing damage to the ship. And that is in addition to the large number of guided missiles, coilgun fire and trying to not get hit by the 27 meter bore Super MACs as well as dodging the fire from the Anlace-Class Frigates energy weapons. Ie the turreted Helios capital-scale high-energy lasers , Magna-320 capital-scale pulse lasers , AN/SEQ-11 point-defense laser array's Basically the UNSC is likely to win this engagement by overwhelming the Odyssey. Because there are only two options for the Odyssey to not get destroyed with these odds . One is to withdraw from the fight thus the Infinity's immediate security forces win the fight. Or hail the Infinity with an offer of peace because by itself it can't handle this level of combat. Seriously this isn't the first time the Odyssey has been out match by numbers. The battle of P3Y-229 saw the Odyssey involved with the discovery of the second Ori Supergate. Joining her sister ship Korolev and a group of Tok'ra, Asgard, and Jaffa vessels at the gate, she received assistance from Kvasir and his vessel to try to prevent the gate from dialling. The efforts failed, with four Ori warships emerging through the Supergate which devastated the fleet. As a result of participating in the battle, the Odyssey suffered severe damage during the engagement, and withdrew to effect repairs and to ensure that someone would be left alive to warn Earth of the defeat. Plot armor said they did eventually win through deus ex machina but I am not giving them plot armor here any more than I am giving the UNSC Infinity plot armor . I am simply staying within capablilities seen in Halo. An example of an AI defusing a bomb is seen with Cortana in Halo 3. And seems to be rather easy for an AI to do. Note In the above case of defusing the bomb it was an Antimatter bomb. Yes she reactivated it after Chief delivered it to the Covenant ship. So there is a reference in lore for that. Teleportation is a new trick for the UNSC as they have reverse engineered Forerunner teleportation technology. Now with all that said . Infantry ? You mean the Spartans delivering their bomb back to them. Aka the 7ft plus tall super humans in MJOLNIR Gen 3 power armor with overlapping shields , Multi layered Boron Carbide , Titanium-A3 based composite armor plating (spaced) , hydrostatic gel , a nanocomposite bodysuit , Auto-repair and bypass nodes Painted in a heat dispersing coating that can take a limited amount of plasma damage. That is equipped with motion trackers, radar, thermal , IR Scopes, with Promethean vision attachment . And lets not forget that a 14 year old Spartan 2 fresh out of augmentation killed /crippled 4 ODSTs in hand to hand combat without armor on and while holding back. The Spartans in Gen 3 armor are all capable of the same feats as Master Chief is . The Odyssey in the tv series has roughly 214 crew members. Spartans can literally rip them apart in seconds without even using their weapons. Sure the average UNSC Marine is carrying modern plus weapons like the MA5 which is just a 7.62x51mm rifle that fires between 650 to 900 rounds per minute at a muzzle velocity of 905m/s . But the UNSC aren't sending the infantry to board the enemy ship. Their sending Spartans. And Spartans have a lot more powerful weapons than the standard MA5 . The Hydra MLRS is actually designed as a standard rifle to Spartans similar to how bolters are for Space Marines. But in close quarters they are likely to go with something a little less explosive though using the Hydra with rounds set to air burst would clear the decks rather quickly. Because even when Spartans do use standard weapons they are modified. Examples include M6 pistols with modifications including smart scope system, suppressor , extended 18 round mags of 12.7x40mm. M45 (Blaze of Glory) variant with smart linked scope system, Kinetic bolts attachment equipped in order to fire hard-light projectiles with more range and added anti-materiél effect. 12 rounds of 8 gauge magnum either 0000 ("quadruple-ought") buckshot made of tungsten or slugs like any other combat shotgun. It's the hardlight infused with antimatter that increases the damage. But a little historical note when the US brought Shotguns to WW1 the Germans tried to say it was a war crime and those were 12 gauge . These are 8 gauge which was historically used hunt large, dangerous game in the 19th century . So overkill against normal humans. And so on . Anyways the Spartans are going to be coming into the ship with close quarters weapons and even the MA5s will be loaded with Shredder round and be using the Kinetic bolts attachment. In other words the crew tries to fight them. And the Spartans wipe them out in seconds. Marines and Army troopers are used for more conventional engagements normally and aren't suicidal enough to guard a bomb that's about to explode. That's where Spartans being indoctrinated hard to kill super human walking tanks come in. Oh and if the Spartans sent over with the bomb look like this.. www.halopedia.org/WRATH-class_Mjolnir#/media/File:H5G-Wrath&MA5D.jpg , www.halopedia.org/WRATH-class_Mjolnir#/media/File:H5G-Wrath.jpg or this ... www.halopedia.org/WRATH-class_Mjolnir#/media/File:H5G-Wrath&M45.jpg My advice to the Odyssey crew .. Abandon Ship. So Infantry ? try Spartan Head Hunters.
@@nobleman9393 Yeah because a single lightly armed ship is going to take out a ship that could literally ram it out of the way and cause serious damage to it. The Odyssey couldn't take on Ori Warships without help and still suffered severe damage. Because the shields can't withstand sustained bombardment. Regardless the tiny 200 meters long lightly armed ship is going to get destroyed. Also the Infinity has 10 ships that will be hitting it with energy weapons from all sides . Those shields under constant bombardment will buckle , the hull will suffer damage and the shields will fail long before the little beam weapons of the Odyssey does enough damage to the Infinity to be more than an irritation. The Odyssey is smaller and less armed overall than the smallest Covenant ships. Literally speaking the crew of the Odyssey can forget about using those missiles and railguns because the missiles will be shot down and the railguns will have the same effective as a child throwing rocks at the side of a tank. That leaves the 4 Plasma beam weapons gifted to them by the Asgard. Nice parting gift right . The Asgard plasma beam is a narrow, high-intensity beam of superheated plasma. These beams are capable of overloading and penetrating even the most advanced shields and burning through the hulls and internal structures of an enemy vessel. Guess what the Infinity was designed to fight against ? Answer : Ships that fire superheated plasma beams at the speed of light. The difference being the Covenant's copy of Forerunner Plasma Lances aka Energy Projectors employ the use of gravitic impellors and magnetic lensing to accelerate, focus and direct beams of high-intensity plasma generated by the ship's pinch fusion reactor. Aka the artificially created core of a Star producing plasma exceeding several million degrees Celsius. And due to the scale of the ship and weapons the Covenant fires a larger plasma beam. So yeah the only effective weapon the Odyssey has against the Infinity won't do enough damage because the beam is a small narrow beam and the Infinity's Titanium-A3 armor is a more advanced forms of Titanium-A armor , fitted with thermal superconducting elements to help strengthen against energy weapon impacts. Titanium-A3, a variant of Titanium-A battle plate developed by the Office of Naval Intelligence's Materials Group. Like Titanium-A, it is chemically altered on the molecular level to produce a stronger plate for ship hulls. And like other variants Titanium-A3 is layered with Tungsten increasing radation resistant and greater protection against plasma weaponry. It also has Sealant foam or self sealing foam which is a reactive material designed to instantly seal breaches between a pressurized space and a vacuum. Along with other various materials. Meaning as I've said before the Odyssey simply doesn't have the firepower to fight the Infinity. It might breach the shields eventually but how long will that take while the Odyssey is taking fire from energy weapons and nuclear weapons as well as coilguns and takes hits from the main MACs to finish it off. Ignoring the fighters and bombers dropping bombs that are designed to EMP/disrupt all electronic equipment within 3.4 kilometers (2.1 mi) of the detonation points of each bomb plus nuclear bombs and missiles. Here's a little math for you 3.4 km = 3400 meters. The Odyssey is well within this range. So the bombers and their fighter escorts are a bit of an irritation damaging the systems on the ship while the Infinity and her compliment fleet get into position and fire on the Odyssey. Oh and that little teleportation of nukes thing from the Odyssey that tactic can only be used against unshielded vessels as the targeting sensors required to achieve a lock are unable to penetrate shielded vessels. So yeah the Odyssey is going to have to slug it out ships larger and more heavily armed than itself while being pounded by bombing runs and missile strikes as well as coilguns , energy weapons and the occasional Super MAC rounds. Something tells me that under sustained bombardment the shields of the Odyssey will fail before it does enough damage to the Infinity. The Infinity was literally designed to be a floating fortress, It was built as an emergency mobile colony by Project OUROBOROS. The ship was built to survive the collapse of society and to take survivors to distant star systems. As well as be capable of going toe to toe with anything the Covenant has and surviving. A ship the size of the Odyssey with the small amount of effective firepower that the Infinity's shields wouldn't just laugh off . Isn't going to be enough to take on the giant cheat ship of a Warship that is designed to survive more damage then the Odyssey can dish out let alone has taken in it's career.
@@John2r1 Pretty weird that you inssist using the size to determine the power, in 40k vs Halo where Frigates are larger than UNSC cruisers you don't seem to use that argument. "the shields can't withstand sustained bombardment." that's how shields work in Sci-fi. Even Ha'taks have better feats of durability than Covenant ships. "Guess what the Infinity was designed to fight against?" Not against ships powered by vaccum energy armed with weapons designed to pierce shields powered by vaccum energy. The Asgard are a Forerunner level species and those beams were designed by them, so while the Covies have an inferior copy, the SGC have an original product. The BC-304s are made out of Trinium, which is 100 times stronger than steel and Naquadah, we don't have exact figure on how much stronger it is, but we have a statement, if a Star Gate was made out of titanium the energies of the wormhole would rip it apart after 7 minutes, while Star Gates made out of naquadah can operate regularly for years and without any signs of damage. It took 3 shots to destroy shields of Ori Warships and Auroras, the Infinity would take probably 4 shots for shields and then two to destory the ships itself, seeing how Asgard beams can rip apart 7 km long Hive Ships. The ship runs mostly on crystal tech, so no circuitry to melt with EMPs, except for some non essential systems. The Infinity would need to drop the shields to send all those fighters and frigates and which point a nuke appears in the middle of the ship. The Odyssey has cloaking field and can make precision jumps behind the Infinity. Which part of, is powered by vacuum energy, something the forerunners used and was upgraded by the Asgard, a forerunner level species you don't understand?
Yes and the Infinity's slipspace drive and engines are from Forerunner technology. Fact the Covenant copied Forerunner technology so even the subspace Impulse drives which are the engines used in normal space are based on Forerunner technology. The power system being pinch fusion which is basically the power of the core of an artificially created star. So both are using a form of vacuum energy to power their ships. The major difference is really scale and armament. The reasons the Odyssey would be screwed in a fight against the Infinity is partly due to the AI controlled weapons systems that can track and engage thousand of targets simultaneously. Second reason is the 10 ships it carries with it. So it wouldn't ever be a 1v1 fair fight. It would be a 1 Odyssey vs 1 Infinity plus 10 other ships. And that's without the rest of Expeditionary Strike Force 1 showing up behind the Infinity.
@@808INFantry11X In the one where they used the CGI scale models they had the length as close to that of two Nimitz class aircraft carriers , which would put it at 1 km or slightly longer.
@@808INFantry11X I double checked and I read the numbers wrong. but yes the length is closer to 700 meters. I guess it helps to clean the monitor screen after the cat sneezes on it.
Sure but that's just one ship there would be 11 ships and as soon as the Infinity is damaged enough it's going to jump out of there along with the other ships then come back with friends and Nova Bombs to vaporize both the Odyssey and the planet it's protecting . Oh and the chances of tearing apart a ship that has supersoldiers with teleportation tech before that ship deploys said supersoldiers to murder the crew of the Odyssey realistically speaking is next to none. Fact is the Odyssey can't do enough damage fast enough. And those shields on the Infinity are being powered by a combination of the primary engines via Vacuum energy which are Forerunner designed . Vacuum energy is essentially draining the energy of an alternate reality . And the Pinch Fusion engines. Which basically draw power from a self contained artificially made Star Core . In other words the shields are fair more powerful than the shielding in the Stargate universe are. So step one take down shields designed to take energy weapons fire from weapons that fire a form of plasma at the speed of light . Step two is burning through the hull of a ship made to withstand energy and hypersonic projectile weapons that also has a layer that self seals hull breaches. Meanwhile being attacked from all angles by 10 other ships and thousands of fighters. Because the ones listed on the wiki are not even close to the full number of craft the Infinity can obviously carry.
@@John2r1 The Chances aren't that bad, The Odyssey and other BC-304s did face worse battles in which they had to fight against several Wraith ships or Ori Warships at the same time and the UNSC doesn't have a reliable form of teleportation and even if they had they would be stopped by the Shields. Ah yes, the vacuum energy, also known as the Zero-point energy, used by the Lanteans and the Ori before their ascension, Ori Warships use it and Asuran ships used it too, the US space ships use it too if they have one available, the Asgard designed a beam weapon capable of easily overpowering shielding powered by Vacuum energy, which was put on all BC-304s and there's no reason to believe that several meters of Titanium would stop those beams anyway. In season 10, the Odyssey destroyed an Ori Warship in 10 seconds for example, so it's unlikely that the Infinity would be able to deploy any ships or fighters.
@@nobleman9393 Slipspace teleportation isn't stopped by shields in real space. And they apparently do have a reliable Slipspace teleportation device considering its an armor attachment to Spartans MJOLNIR armor. If you really think about it. Slipspace isn't like teleportation in other sci-fi universes like Stargate SG1 or Star Treck. Slipspace teleportation is more like Wh40k Space Marines using a Teleport Homer device to teleport via the Warp. Minius the demons and Warp fuckery . Which means they are jumping through alternate dimensions, tearing a hole in real space and out pops 7ft plus tall heavily armed death machines.
@@John2r1 They need a receiver in the place where they want to teleport, it's also short ranged, so they would need to get on a ship first to put that receiver there. It's also only shown in the multiplayer, which is a simulation.
@@John2r1Going into slip space isn't special. Hyperspace is layers or frequencies of alternate dimensions of space time. Different drives use different frequencies. You are tearing a hole into another dimension in Stargate going into hyperspace. Here's a demonstration of the energy goa'uld technology has. Guardians in halo, which are actually now meant to be precursor in origin, can crack a planet, 7 combining their power. Anubis single mother ship, using already existing GOA'ULD technology, and some ancient modifications, could destroy a planet. Not using vacuum energy either, using an enhanced gou'ald naquadah reactor. The guardians are using vacuum energy, Anubis ship wasn't. The BC 304 uses similar reactor technology to the gou'ald.
“At first glance, the Infinity looks stronger than the Odyssey” Really? I never once thought that. The Odyssey may be smaller, but what it lacks in size, it makes up for in highly advanced technology.
Send some Replicators to the Infinity and enjoy the show. Just listen, I bet you can hear the insect-like tapping of metal on metal already. Then after you can tell the UNSC, “Oh, by the way, these are *toys*”
@@tinamoul One is purely organic and the other purely technological. They wouldn’t be able to absorb and repurpose the other like they do with most enemies. They’d have to fight a more traditional war.
@@samuel5916That's not true at all. The replicators can assimilate organic material to make more nanites. They can take all of the minerals out of a cell and use them to make more of themselves if needed.
The Covenant would have destroyed the Odyssey through sheer numbers and the use of Energy Projectors from 100,000 km away. Fact is none of the weapons used against the Odyssey have ever been shown to do the level of damage that Covenant Energy Projectors can do. Also because humanity in SG1 caused hull damage due to the heat from how they where powering the shields. We know that the ship beneath can't take the heat from impacts of high temperatures such as 3,000 plus degrees Celsius at the speed of light hitting the ship. Basically it becomes a numbers game. And the Covenant have the numbers advantage. Also note that while the shields on Aurora-class ships are capable of resisting incredible amounts of heat and pressure, meaning they would have been more than capable of resisting the energy weapons of at least one Hive ship and/or several Wraith cruisers at full strength. However, these shields were shown to be vulnerable to Asgard plasma beam weapons after only a handful of hits. Covenant plasma weapons on their ships are replicas of Forerunner plasma weapons. And the "plasma " has been described as not plasma as current science knows it, but something "far more dangerous, arcane, and destructive." By Frank O'Connor. So plasma is the closes word humanity has to discribe the substance. Which as we both know defies known laws of science. That said I think the technology of such a ship with some minor UNSC enhancements could at least increase their odds. Because remember the UNSC had reverse engineered Energy Shielding technology a decade into the war.
@@John2r1 It can just leave if there's too many covies, simple. Remember how two Ha'taks got hit by 1 Gigaton nukes, and those nukes only depleted their shields slightly? and remember how Ha'taks can deplete each others shields relatively fast? Don't forget that ships in StarGate are powered by Naqudah, a mineral much more potent than helium 3 or hydrogen used by the UNSC and of course even more potent version called Naquadria. A Ha'tak was hiding in a Corona of a star for 10 hours before it's shields got depleted.... Their speed and accuracy of FTL allows them to jump in do some damage and leave, keep doing that and the Covenant will have to divert ships away from the frontlines, plus the damage to industry and informations gathered about their territory.
@@nobleman9393 Sure it could just leave . Except the UNSC was on the defensive and if they came to help the UNSC with such an advanced ship ONI would demand to have personal onboard. Which means if it retreats from the Battle without orders then well the SGC crew who would be required to teach the agents from ONI how to pilot it in case of any injuries to the crew . The agents would make a decision. Or rather already have orders in the case the SGC decides to Stab the UNSC in the back. Aka ONI would kill them for dissertation. So the Commander of the ship would have to ask for permission to disengage. Because the main responsibility would be buying time for civilians to escape. Simply due to numbers. Most likely the Odyssey would be stationed at Reach while the Scientist reverse engineer the technology and apply it to the fleet. Retreat would be authorized in cases of either orders or being the last ship standing. And they would still be required to follow the Cole Protocol. Violation of which would result in immediate court marshall and execution.
@@John2r1 And they would say no, they have history of humans and aliens trying(or even taking) to take over their ships and bases in various ways, at best the UNSC would be allowed to have one maybe two representatives(unarmed of course) You do understand the concept of hit and run attacks? The SGC isn't a part of the UNSC, they can't give them orders and their members aren't obligated to listen to them, they can petition them to do what they want and coordinate with them, to put it simply the UNSC needs them more than the SGC needs them. It's Unlikely that the SGC would provide them with their modern tech, selling them older technologies like Goa'uld shields, transportation rings and hyperdrive would be on the table tho. Again they aren't a part of their military and thus aren't a subject of their laws, SGC ships going into the Covenant space and doing hit and run attacks would be the best, it would cause some damage, divert ships from the war and the UNSC would get some map of their territory.
@@John2r1you make no sense....at all. So the numbers we have for covenant shields, for battlecruisers are two nukes. One to deshield, the other to destroy. Or one nuke with loads of archers and Mac fire. It's three unsc halcyons v one corvette, with no nukes. Now we know the unsc does not possess sheva mountable nukes in excess of 50/60 megatons. The nova has never been mentioned again for obvious reasons. So for a battle cruiser that's 100/20 megatons to destroy it. A single ha'tak shot has more power than that, and that's ha'taks at the beginning of the show, they were upgraded throughout it. The odyssey has far greater firepower than that, her rail guns would put pressure on covenant shields, let alone her lance weapons. She's leagues faster than any covent ship, and can manoeuvre much better. Yes if she was swamped by say 10 - 15 covenant battlecruisers she would take major damage, but she can just jump away. If the odyssey was to help the unsc they would have helped turn the tide. Unyielding hyrphant? Nuke beamed aboard. High charity? Good night sweet prince by a cloaked BC 304.
You are forgetting one key factor when the when the ship was upgraded with Asgard Shields and beaming and being weapons it was also integrated with an Asgard core and Asgard beaming technology so technically all you have to do is beam over say two or three and put them in the engine room goodbye Infinity
Yes because beaming has never been countered. The Wraith countered it after a couple of interactions, you think the smart AI that casually runs a 5km ship can't?
@@nobleman9393 Okay, okay, okay, okay. Odyssey can choose the tactic of beaming a nuke aboard Infinity seconds before detonation and the AI won't have anything to do with it or throw it back because it won't know what actually happened. Yes, the Wraith developed a countermeasure to this strategy, but that was after the destruction of the second Hive. For the AI to figure out what was going on, there would have had to be at least one nuke transmission to either ship, and once it figured out what was going on, it would have developed countermeasures. That takes Infinity out of the game. That leaves 10 frigates. Odyssey withstood hits from Hatak ships of 200-300 megatons per missile (it was said in the show, even if the visuals don't match, but that's logical since the author focuses more on the story than the details), then Odyssey withstood the continuous bombardment of four Ori ships (Stargate: The Ark of Truth). For the record, such an Ori weapon is capable of disabling a Goa'uld Hatak in one shot. That would put us in the gigatun range, which even if the frigates concentrated fire from their MACs, wouldn't be enough to break the Odyssey's shields. Plus Odyssey didn't even have ZPM on board during the sniping by the Ori ships I feel. Odyssey could also outmaneuver those frigates and use her beam weapons to take out all the frigates one by one and it's game over for UNSC.
first off the size that you give for the USS Odyssey is wrong its around 650 meters to 800 meter because at 200 meter long the ship could NOT fit the 16 F-302s fighter that it carriers in its two bays
What can Infinity do to destroy the Odyssey? first and most importantly, ensure no one from SG1 is on board, if they are onboard hack the Asgard beaming tech and transport SG1 off the Odyssey. The size you quoted for the Odyssey seems way too small, I checked and they are the sizes from the Stargate Wiki, but she should be more than double that size, considering the size of the F302 which is 26m wide, the launch bays are about a quarter the Odyssey's width that alone means Odyssey has to be at least 110m wide on a 90m wide Odyssey the launch bays are too small to launch an F302, and Daedalus is repeatedly shown launching 302s with them being maybe half the width of the launch bay, meaning realistically Odyssey should be about 250-300m wide, making her somewhere in the range of 500-800m long. You also forgot to mention the Odyssey's Zero Point Module, which makes the shields and weapons even more ridiculously overpowered than on her sister ships, her sister ship Daedalus while equipped with a ZPM was able to take the full force of a coronal mass ejection for a few minutes, and Odyssey herself was able to withstand a fleet of Ori motherships hitting her with everything they had for about 10 minutes while her engines and most of her offensive systems were disabled, the Odyssey after the last round of Asguard upgrades is ridiculously overpowered. I cannot see any situation where the fully upgraded Odyssey loses unless you put %random incompetent person% in command. The only reasonable scenario where Odyssey loses is if this is before the fall of the Asguard and the last round of upgrades shown in SG1, if it is pre ZPM as well, Odyssey loses badly.
Stargate Now, which is run by the show runners of the show said that Odyssey is roughly size of a Sovereign class ship from Star Trek. So she's bigger than expected.
The Infinity has shields too and this realisitically wouldn't be a fair 1v1 fight. It would be a 1 vs 11 fight with a massive number of fighters and bombers coming in from all directions with anti ship missiles and nukes trying to knock out the Odyssey. 4x plasma beam emitters , 32 railguns and 16 missile launchers isn't enough firepower to even be considering attacking something as large and heavily armed as the Infinity. The Odyssey and her sister ship the Korolev took on 4 Ori warships which they lost to but not a surprise. The Ori warships are each 1000 m long by 850 meters wide. Armed with 1 primary energy beam weapon and one Pulse weapon and 500 fighters with pulse cannons. So a bunch of energy weapons and with there being 4 ships the total number of fighters would have been 2,000 fighters. By UNSC standards these would be lightly armed ships. As in UNSC support ships have more firepower than the Ori Warships. Different universes different standards for numbers of weapons and things. Oh and the Infinity also recieved upgrades thanks to the Huragok aka engineers who upgraded the ships systems. So both ships are heavily modified and upgraded.
@@John2r1 At that time they weren't armed with Asgard Plasma beams and still used Naquadria as power, so yeah they didn't stood a chance. Ori Warships were made by the followers of the Ori under their instructions, they use big Zero Point Energy generators and their feats include surving a barrage from a fleet 3 times larger than them, being rammed by a Ha'tak and not taking any damage, being fired upon by Asgard Ion cannons and not taking any damage, which can ignore shields and are powerful enough to oblitarate Replicator blocks, travel intergalactic distances, their beams weapons were shown to destroy Ha'taks with a single shot and the beam still keeps going after piercing it's shields and the whole ship. it was only after the Odyssey was upgraded with the Beam weapons and more potent power source we see those ships being destroyed in ship to ship combat, so yeah no UNSC ship can match that.
Even without superior tech the odyssey would drop out of hyperspace and target the ship bays with nukes before anything could be launched. The resulting explosions from the smaller vessels would cause a ripple of internal explosions.
Bays are protected by energy shields powered by a self contained artifical star core via pinch fusion drive and the vacuum energy form the Forerunner engines.
@@John2r1 I don't know if an atmospheric shield can save a hangar from a nuke, another thing is that they will don't know about BC-304, humans will notice it right after Daedalus/Odyssey will exit hyperspace, this will be late because the nukes would be right on the way and the Infinity will not have shields on because they didn't except this surprise attack. Daedalus will catch them totaly unprepared.
@@martinantab3520 Those shields prevented superheated plasma fired at the speed of light getting through so yeah they probably would block a Nuke being fired at them especially the ones used by Stargate command. The "Goa'uld Buster" Naquadah-enhanced nuclear weapon has a yield of 1,000 megatons. Which is cute but not even close to the Infinity's Super MACs. And no where near the power of a Nova Bomb. Also a slug of 600 tons of plasma moving at the speed of light impacts with 1,925,991,302,520,900.5 GN of force or 2850.3 Terratons of TNT. The writers in Halo suck at math. I used a Impact force calculator and conversion calculator . In anycase the shields will hold against basically anything the Odyssey can throw at it. Though if the fight goes on long enough the shields projectors could overheat. But it would take either a crap ton of force or a long time of being peppered by smaller weapons. Far longer than a fight against the Infinity would go. And even then the Odyssey has about 5 seconds to land a good hit while being engaged by the Infinity's support fleet before the shields dissipate the heat and regenerate to full strength. So there are a number of problems for the Odyssey in this fight. Being outnumbered, the advanced shielding used by the UNSC, and the powful guns of UNSC ships of the classes that would be involved in the fight.
I don't know enough about HALO capital ships to speculate, but my gut says this... If it's the FULLY modified Odyssey (complete with beam weapons and the Asgard power core), it would win. If not...ouch...eventually it's shields would be collapsed and it's human weapons would be insufficient. Edit: good point about the fighters and frigates, I didn't know about them. But yes, so many variables.
So many facts from BC304 missing, like some examples like the gate buster bomb or beaming ability that can easly beam the gatebuster to enemy ship and blow it up without even fireing a shot.
Depending on the time frame the UNSC Infinity's crew could attach a teleport attachment to it and send it back before it goes boom. Also the Infinity could have Nova Bombs onboard which are far more destructive. As a single Nova Bomb can vaporize an entire planet. So there are factors on both sides. Oh and depending on how it's rigged there is the possibility of Roland jamming the detonation signal. Or disarming the bomb until the Infinity sends it back. Then boom. So this isn't a fool proof plan. But a possible one.
@@John2r1 Honestly. The unsc having the teleportation technology, isn't the same as time dilation. Not even close. One allows the manipulation of time in real space, the other doesn't. The odyssey has transporter technology, it doesn't use that to go back in time. I don't know what you are talking about here. Even the forerunners by their own words couldn't control time. Their time locks used slip space to do the time bending. This is stated "time is not something we can control" halo infinite. So how is the unsc going to use transportation technology go back in time?. Now for the best part. That technology isn't like the Asgard beaming technology. How can Ronan stop something he's never encounters before?? The forerunners never had beaming technology, otherwise they would have used it to take the composer instead of using a tractor beam type of technology to pull it away. So how can Ronan counter something he's never encountered or can understand? They will time the nuke to go off one second after beaming. No send backs. No nova bombs are present on the infinity, because she would have used them, whilst trying to survive. Nova bombs have never been mentioned again for very obvious reasons. The BC 304 has technology on it the forerunners don't have. How are the unsc or covenant going to deal with that?
@@nihilityjoey I wasn't referring to send the bomb back in time. I was referring to either Teleporting it back onto the Odyssey or having Spartans deliver it back there. Since stealth ships do exist in Halo as well. Basically jamming the bomb then detonation it after putting it somewhere on the Odyssey rather by telelportation or Spartan delivery. That's not stopping time. That's using technology to send the bomb back. Thus they start playing hot potato with bombs. Via telelportation lol. Also Nova Bombs are mission specific. And the Infinity likely has some because it's original mission was as both a life boat and as the most powerful warship the UNSC has to counter the Covenant. Oh and there are nukes and the Infinity has the materials required to make a Nova Bomb if required.
@@John2r1 They would need to put a receiver where they want to teleport something, otherwise they can't teleport anything anywhere. Nuclear Bombs used by the SGC use physical clock, which when used against other ships is set to explode 1 second after teleportation, so no they can't be jammed or disarmed before they detonate. The Infinity doesn't carry Nova bombs and even then they would need to get permission from Sydney.
@@John2r1Do you have any evidence for infinity having novas on board or the means to make them? It would take 20 trillion times the nuclear arsenal we have now to have a realistic nova bomb. I'll say this ALL TIME. The Mac numbers and nova numbers are absolute tripe written by someone who didn't have a clue or care. Much like a lot of halo it's the rule of cool first. Stargate has some inconsistencies, but they are very minor, it's actually known for being one of the most cohesive shows. So for instance. We have a few thousand megatons worth of nuclear ordinance right now. It takes multiple gigatons to take out a hatak as I've shown. Two ha'taks in an alternate timeline wipe out earth and they threw everything they had at them. Sounds about right. Nova bombs haven't been mentioned again because even the makers of halo know it was a mistake. People like you only hold on to it and the Mac numbers because you think that's, all you have to rate power. But the Macs for the infinity are stupid as hell. She DOES NOT draw energy from vacuum. Her forerunner engine uses vacuum energy to create population. And even then it still needs a reaction mass. This means it is not actually drawing power at all. It's using vacuum energy as a propellant. This is in the halopedia. The odyssey can utilise vacuum energy to enhance everything about her capabilities, actually DRAWING POWER. the only thing infinity draws power from is a human made tri reactor like on the autumn cruisers. Like I've said elsewhere, halo fans like make stuff up, or overhype what's already there. If the infinitys macs are to be believed she would have won the war many times over, she could have taken high charity out no problem. And for one covenant cruiser, you would need 66'666 30 megaton havoc mines to do the job. And that's never been shown or talked about. Does the unsc have that many havocs? You see where these stupid numbers get you? Especially when in the same universe you have the total opposite shown? The infinity gets destroyed either outright by a beamed nuke, which she has no way of stopping, or simply with the Odysseys with normal weapons and her support craft as well. She has no chance. Oh and the feat of the infinity ramming a cruiser? The infinity has its shields up, whilest the cruiser didn't, and the infinity hit the ship at its thinnest point, the neck. That's not impressive, at least not as impressive as what you made it out to be.
The infinity would get mauled by the odyssey. Mauled. And the odyssey is 685m long, thats not counting the sensor mast at the fornt. Its about 715m long including the mast. Amd the Asgard core does not power the ship.
I find it interesting that you did not mention the clock or ZPM having both of those would cripple any UNSC fleet i don't think they have ever seen that tech and timing it to be used after getting hit with a nuke it would give them the time to analyze there enemy they could also stop time and use it to there advantage
whoever can beam other guys into space or beam a nuke on their ship always wins. im pretty sure asguard weapons are far beyond titanium stopping em. think titanium is cut easy by plasma and beam weapons would probably go threw and out the back without lots of ceramic armor
It's not Titanium, it is an alloy of Titanium that is tough enough that inferior versions of the alloy were used to defend against covenant plasma in early ships
You also forgot to mention that the infinity had several long swords which are capable of destroying ships much larger then it Btw for anyone to want to know what the infinity’s macs are capable of they left a 7 mile crater on sanghelious
And that was with a sub munition not a full bore round . A full bore round has been estimated as being capable of producing around 10 teratonnes of tnt upon impact with whatever it's shooting at.
@@genericnameandgamertag7448 Yeah apparently in the book Shaddows of Reach the velocity of the Infinity's Super MACs is 25% of the speed of light. And being roughly twice the diameter of a standard ODP Super MAC means rather than firing the 3,000 ton shells. The Infinity's full bore rounds are like 6,000 tons. 25% of the speed of light is 7,494,811,450 m / s. If you put that into a impact force calculator you get 19,109,444,954,699.559 Giga Newtons or 4.567266957457 Teratons Of TNT. If I did my math right using online calculators. In any case this is the kind of weapon that could kill the population of a planet. And they shoot it at enemy warships
First off I would like to point out that I distinctly heard you pronounce the UNSC ship's name two completely different ways with two completely different meanings and totally differently than the published name. At 3 distinct points in time in the beginning, I clearly heard " Affinity" once and "Definity" twice. This continued throughout the narration. The first letter "n" in INFINITY was not verbalized in your narration as it should be thus completely changing the name AND meaning of the name. Please go back to the beginning and carefully listen to it. It's there.
Your calculations on the size of the Odyssey is very wrong. The show runners essentially have Odyssey at 600 plus meters long and 300m wide. So...bigger than a UNSC Frigate.
@@alep2058 the creators of the star gate tv show franchise said that the ship with 650 meter plus . And if you look at the CGI model used by MGM for the ship it puts the BC304s closer to 650 to 700 meters if the ship was smaller the F302 fighters would not fit
you're overestimating the Stridents, they really aren't much of a threat. yes they have shields, but they are noting compared to many of the shielded threats that any of the Daedalus classes have dealt with. Asurans, Ori, both have capital ships that are at minimum 100X more powerfully offensive and defensive, and they are taken out in 4 shots. most likely the Stridents would be one shot and out of the fight instantly. not to mention that standard en-mass kinetic bullets wouldn't do much. only missiles and the weapons of the infinity would potentially be threats. the infinity's spinal super macs would be useless, so that leaves the mac turrets and missiles. honestly, i'd give it to any Daedalus class 7-8/10 times just due to maneuverability, defense, and offense.
I haven't seen this video yet I'm only 20 seconds in I'm really rooting for Stargate here I love Halo but I flipped the coin and the coin said root for Stargate
I agree that the longer the battle goes on the less likely it would be that the odyssey would win. However, the odyssey does have two very big advantages over the infinity which is the vastly superior FTL engines and it’s smaller size which might seem like a disadvantage at first but the combination of the two pretty much negates the infinity’s primary weapon the MACs would be essentially useless against the odyssey. That said the fight mostly comes down to if the odyssey could do enough damage to disable or destroy the infinity before being overwhelmed by all of its other weapons and armaments which pretty much means the Asgard weapons and shields would be vital to any victories the odyssey would take.
The odyssey is about 650m long, that's the actual tv model size, the canon size. The infinity is about 3.5 km (I dont care what any source says, the visuals say otherwise.) The odyssey has the latest asgard tech including shields and plasma weaponry that would cut the infinity in half. The infinity has covenant level shields, and covenant shields arent as strong as goauld shields as far as I'm concerned. The infinitys mac would not break the shields the way most people think (not to mention that even as a sci fi weapon the way macs are described in halo are utterly ridiculous and would destroy the ship they are fireing from.) And if the odyssey had a zpm it took well over a dozen shots from ori main weapons to drain them. The odyssey would take on forerunner ships no problem, the little we know of them, the infinity doesnt stand a chance here.
@@nihilityjoey it definitely seems like Asgard technology is just on an absurd level of power compared to just about everything except for the stargates themselves. When I was just thinking about it, just really Asgard technology is absurd (in a great way) like the Asgard core on board the odyssey can create a replicator. A living sentient machine that is the stargate universe’s equivalent to the flood and the Asgard core can be programmed to just go “boop” and construct / beam one into existence and the speed, weapons, and shields of the odyssey especially if powered by a zpm are just crazy (also the odyssey in particular has a cloak that Daniel Jackson made while he was a priar)
@@keeptv1918 They do have. I guess that's what happens though when you have an alliance with not just the ancients but two other highly advanced races, and have had the time to refine the tech and science. I mean don't get me wrong at all, forerunner technology is up there, and I have them just under the asgard in my 5 top advanced species in sci fi. I just think the asgard have the advantage on that front. And the claok is a good point as well, whether it's something that could be replecated on other ships though is another matter since he was a prior when he made the changes. But the odessey as far as I'm concerned is just to much for the infinity. The only thing on it that is comparebale tech is its engine which are forerunner. Everything else is covenant level tech. And I have no doubt that goauld tech is better than covenwnt tach.
It's hard to say who would win, as you said in the video, depends on immensely on what kind of scenario we're dealing with. Asgard shields are immensely powerful, especially if powered with a ZPM, but Infinity has also been shown in other media with no difficulty to tank stuff like an asteroid bigger than itself, or an actual supernova for some seconds. In a simple 1vs1 brawl I would say it would come down to the shields, but we don't know for sure which one has stronger, as both seem to have incredibly strong shields if all material (comics, books etc) is canon. If neither had shields, Infinity would likely win due to simply being able to lose a lot more armor and mass all the while firing everything it has on the Odyssey, though it definetly would take immense beating to the point of being unsalvageable, the Asgard beam weapons are no joke.
I actually feel like if neither ship had shields the odyssey would win just because of how insanely effective Asgard beaming technology is shown to be. They would just beam a few nukes aboard the infinity or beam the infinity’s crew into outer space. Asgard beams have been the stargate crews press to win or easy button more than a few times
Now I wanna preface that I haven’t watch the video yet. I will after this comment and make a reply to it after I have to see if my opinion has been changed. My main problem with pitting anything from stargate against anything really is that we simply don’t know how powerful the weapons and shields of stargate ships are. Many like to throw about the 200 megaton claim for ha-tak staff cannons but they are simply not that powerful. Each shot would devastate not just cities but small island and we see countless times Ha-tak’s committing orbital bombardments and it’s pretty obvious they are not even equivalent to the nuke used on nagisaki. Many may also point out the Asgard beams but we no even less about them. Beaming into a ship may be a problem for most UNSC ships, until you realise that this is the mofo infinity. It’s armed with reversed engineered covenant shielding which is itself reversed engineered forerunner shields,(and we know sufficiently advanced shields can prevent beaming or using goauld rings) it’s got forerunner engines and I think a forerunner reactor (don’t quote me on that), it’s got 4 super macs, one being more than capable of tearing a new one into covenant assault carriers (not super carriers tho as far as I’m aware). Covenant battle cruisers can withstand multiple shiva nukes without so much of a care in the world. The only times covenant ships are killed by nukes is either A. The shields were nocked down by MAC fire (which itself can take from 2-40 MAC rounds to actually do so) or B. The nuke was used inside the vessel (as seen in the reach trailer (I think the trailer anyway)). To finally answer the title. I think the infinity is gonna obliterate the odyssey, we simply don’t know a lot about stargate weapon or shield capabilities. We get told sometimes, but visuals often contradict the statements, and sometimes they don’t even show it in action. Simply put, lack of feats for Odyssey and sg ships in general make me think the infinity stomps.
Alright. Watched it and my opinion remains unchanged. But I would like to say a few things. 1. I think the Odyssey should (and would) use its fighter craft mainly because halo fighters are simply garbage, over sized nightmares of a vessel. I personally think an f-302 will be able to solo however many long swords it takes until they run out of fuel and ammo, that’s just how garbage halo fighters are. 2. I do not see speed playing a factor. Think back to those Mac’s, not only does it have 4 smac’s but many other smaller Mac’s that are in turret form spread across the vessel. The smac’s in particular are placed in all four directions, meaning unless the odyssey gets above or below the infinity it is in extreme danger of being hit by a big f**k off MAC shot, and going under or above leaves it vulnerable to nukes.
The Odyssey can beam nukes inside the Infinity and make short work of it. It's really just a question of who commands the ship during the engagement and if they use that strategy or not. I don't see why they wouldn't but at the same time in the show they only used that trick in only one episode.
Mmhh pretty much the same as the infinity, with its covenant and forerunner tech. Let's take away the beam weapons. The odyssey, her rail guns and her shields would still beat the infinity.
Odyssey would win any day of the week. The technologies packed inside just outstrip anything the UNSC has in terms of tactics. AND, because they're built on top of the dangers of Asgard mishaps, AI wouldn't have as much success working out a tactic against them, especially since the people behind them are human, so just as they'd speculate working out a tactic, the human factor would make sure the AI had no way in once they'd gain access to one system.
I think the Odyssee could definitely defeat the Infinity. Basically, they could just beam a nuke on board and blow it to smithereens. I'd be more interested if their beaming technology could penetrate Forerunner shields. Imagine the poor Odyssee suddenly facing a Forerunner Fortress-class vessel. Pretty sure no amount of Asgard plasma beams are going to make a dent in one of those monsters haha
I disagree on several points. I think the power scale between the universes are almost never fully appreciated. In universe, the shields of the infinity are no joke. The shield is forerunner based, along with the slip space drive, engines and other parts. The benefits that brings can not be overstated. Literally in the opening sequence she's seen barreling through a covenants RCS, which has never been seen in universe before and until then, was a formidable vessel in its own right. Maybe the misunderstanding stems from viewing the covenant and the FORERUNNERS in underestimated fashion. The covenant were very powerful. Humanity's only hope was the skism that fractured the covenant with infighting. I mean, they had multiple vessels at 29km in length. The high charity, with was built over a forerunner dreadnought was 505km by 348 km. The mantles approach, which was a flagship of the didact was 143km by 371km by 138 km. Vessels that long in the stargate universe is probably unfathomable. The hull was made completely out of programmable matter, and powered by "hardlight and energy bonds" They built countless halo rings at 10,000km capable of only targeting organic matter, rendering an entire galaxy void of life. They could prematurely collapse stars to create planets in 10,000 years. Their "slipspace" drives, granted them near instant teleportation in space. They also had things like Dyson spheres, and were able to contain them inside artificial planets and shield worlds. In my opinion, the forerunners technology is too advanced compared to that of the ancients, or anything else we've seen in stargate. With the infinity incorporating the forerunner and covenant technologies, she really packs a massive punch. She has top of the line series 8 macs, which pierced the shields and hull of the mantles approach. I'd really like to know what you think though, as I'm not extremely knowledgeable about either universes. I tried to be as unbiased as possible. Cheers mate
Infinity does pack a punch and she really durable in both universe. But both stargate and Halo I would say are technological peers depending on which your referring to such as the Anicents and the Forerunners were technology peers in most categories of they excelled more in different areas such as Forerunners really went shield worlds etc. Ancients focused on the Stargate which was point to pint wormhole which was so easy to use you didn't have to really understand the technology in order to use. Also when the BC 304 by design that shop was designed to fight ships way bigger then itself because the Wraith Hive ships are along the same size as Inifinity with similar cpabilites of course the Inifnity has Shields but any shield can be penetrated or worked around but the BC 304 once you start adding in the Asgard plasma beam weapons they really even out the scales. Bigger doesn't mean better in war I learned from real life experience that there is more to war then that. That is why Battleships no longer play and key roles in Navy's any more because the metric of war changed and some tactics techniques employed can make a thing like big guns and armor ineffective.
The forerunners while advanced aren't as advanced as the ancients. Not nearly. And the ancients were ahead of them physically as well. It took the forerunners most advanced ship 2 weeks to get to a dwarf galaxy just outside our own. It took atlantis 2 days to get pegasus, which is a dwarf galaxy near andromeda. A huge distance gap there. The ancients just didn't invest their time building huge monuments of rubbish.
@@nihilityjoey ill have to check, but the wiki says the forerunner slipspace drives were so fast it seemed like near instantaneous teleportation. In my opinion, the ancients are not more advanced! while both have incredible feats and similar parallels, the difference is the forerunners feats are more incredible than the ancients. If I miss some notable feats, feel free to mention them. The ancients Constructed drones and ZPMs, stargates, devices allowing for telepathy with someone using the same device in another galaxy, well some unique prototypes Forerunners made planets, made shield worlds, Dyson spheres, the countless halo rings able to specifically target organic matter, etc. They literally restarted human civilization after the humans were very advanced What is anything the ancients did on par with that?
@@nihilityjoey the 10km rubbish was moved through slipspace. Slipspace drives isn't like hyperdrives. Its literally a portal to another dimension. Not a wormhole
@@theman21ops I take it you're not familiar with the ancients? Hyperspace is not wormholes, it's exactly like slip space. You enter another dimension. Atlantis had an experimental wormhole drive that allowed atlantis to reach earth at the speed of a stargate. But all other ships (with the exception of the destiny) uses hyperspace. It's just their technology is better. They also built the destiny, a ship that is crossing the known universe, is automated and survived battles and recharges in the Corona of stars. They had weapons that could bypass shields and cause immense damage - controlled by the mind. They made city ships powered by zpms, which is similar to what the forerunners use, just on a more.........portable form. Their shields especially the atlantis shield was almost impenetrable. They created genetic machines to help those who didnt have the genetic component to ascend. They had been to and settled in multiple galaxies. And physically their evolution was ahead of the forerunners. They had (not all, and some had differing abilities) telekinesis, telepathy etc. One survived millions of years frozen in the ice. They had never met beings with powers that rivaled them in multiple galaxies. The forerunners whilest more advanced technologically and physically, struggled to fight humanity, it took over 1000 years. As for the forerunners. They had only just learned to manipulate young stars, the aschen in stargate (who are nowhere near the ancients) were turning gas giants into secondary stars in a system. The forerunners built ring worlds??? Humans built a ring world in the film elysium. Sure it may not be 10,000km in diameter, but it was a functioning habitat. And they built dyson spheres? For what? They never even got used. Their biggest feats, was their energy usage and some of their tech. And they seeded life they catalogued and stored. The ancients when they left the milky way set off the Dakara device and all of the gates in the galaxy allowing the device to alter the genetics of certain species to evolve along the lines of themselves. They actually altered and created new lifeforms. The forerunners couldnt get the composer too work, which would have been their immortality. The ancients had no such problems. The forerunners are closer to the asgard, and even then the asgard
The problem with this is there two things not stated and they are the infinities use of AI for cyber warfare and the odyssey's use of Asgard beaming tech.
Every time there’s a match up like this I see the same dumb comment “just beam over a nuke and it’s all over” if you’ve see the program then you know that’s not how it works. Many times in Stargate SG1 there’s big plot point on how the shields on both craft have to be down to work and even then they have trouble locking on and before someone buts in and mentions about the time in Atlantis the wraith don’t use shields and could still block it. It’s the same problem with ships from Star Trek that no one seems to even notice. Still say Daedalus wins hands down it’s just not as easy or quick.
I know what you mean, it does sound like a cheap way to win, also the Wraith had to get attacked with Beamed Nukes before they made the counter-measure.
The missiles alone could over whelm the odyssey with 250 Archer muscle pods with 24 missiles and 250 M75 Rapier missiles with 30 per pod you are looking at thousands of missiles on top of the mine Mac's it's not easy to get close without taking hits and you really can't shot missiles at infinity because the ship A.I would shoot them down so it's not any easy call.
just because you can predict something doesnt mean you can stop it, the asgard are comparable to the forerunners.. their shields and weapons are far better than anything shown in the halo universe, the odyssey could probably one shot a halo ring
The odyssey going up against the unsc infinity hands down i say the infinity wins cause not only would launch fighters but also it can launch 10 strident class heavy frigates which not only have point defense turrets and missile launchers but also have one mac cannon. The infinity has missile launchers, point defense systems,and 4 mac cannons
The shields alone on the odyssey are light years ahead of infinity's. There is nothing the infinity possess that can take the shields down of the BC -304. Take away the beam weapons. The BC - 304 has not just naquadah enhanced nukes, all in the multi gigaton range, they have naquadah enhanced missiles, which would make something like a tomahawk missile many times more deadly. They have Asgard designed rail guns, 32 turrets, each able to fire tank sized rounds above Mach 5.6. She could beam a nuke on to the infinity, job done. But even then. The infinitys shields I would say could take about 240 megatons max, the BC -304s regular non nuclear ordinance and rail guns would take out the infinity, while that ship could take everything the infinity throws at it before doing so. Using a beamed nuke - instant win. Using beam weapons - takes two shots. The odyssey has time dilation technology on it. There is no comparison here.
@@nihilityjoey you also have to take in the fact that the infinity not only has tech from captured ships from the war but it also has tech from the forerunners so as far as technology goes they are both equally equipped cause the forerunners were also centuries ahead of even the covenant. Plus the cannons on it are one hit wonders able to shoot their weapons at near the speed of light 12,000 mph
@@nihilityjoey plus for the odyssey to get in close it has to risk getting hit by missiles,point defense guns,among other weapons. Plus it has 200 fighters as well that can also launch nuclear warheads as well. Plus the infinity has shields as well and those shields are powerful enough to allow the infinity to cut through a covenant ship( with its own shields up) and the infinity just kept going. It's not that the odyssey wouldn't be able to put up a fight it's just that the infinity is more than capable of taking it on and winning since it would be able to take on a fleet of covenant ships and win
@@johnbross4219the only systems on the infinity that are forerunner, is its engine module sensor suits and holographic suits for the Spartans training. Its shields are human covenant technology and its weapons are human designed. The infinity isnt drawing power from anything forerunner. Her nukes are nowhere in the range of the bc 304, and the bc 304 even without a zpm has asgard level shields, which are forerunner level or better. Then add in an ancient zpm and there is not much in the halo universe that can stand with it. Even forerunner ships I would say. Their main weapons are gravidic weapons, made to slice ships up using gravity manipulation. Let's take the destiny from stargate, a ship over 40 million years old and can survive the heat, pressure and magnetic forces from being inside a star. Forerunner weapons arent going to be as effective as some people would think. The deadalus can survive for hours being just over 100,000 miles away from a red giant without a zpm.
@@nihilityjoey zpms aside like I have mentioned the Mac cannons alone fire at a rate of 12,000 mph near the speed of light on the infinity and that ship alone has 4 of them let alone all the defensive weaponry. I've seen episodes of Stargate where the oddessy struggled against the wraith. So even with the zpm and Asgard tech it would still be struggling since the infinity has its own fleet of 10 heavy frigates and at least 200 fighters.
Trying to get into a long range slugging match with the Infinity which has a smart AI that can do more calculations in a second than the entire crew of the Odyssey can do in weeks would simply get the Odyssey destroyed by the overwhelming firepower of the Infinity. Oh and the Infinity upon entering the system will drop all 10 frigates so it would be an 11 ships vs 1 ship fight. With odds stacked in the UNSC's favor. Oh and those Asgard weapons are not that great when your ship is 3.9% of the size of the ship your fighting . The Infinity 's primary Super MAC rounds are 27 meters in diameter. Which means the Infinity is firing rounds that are 12 % of the Odyssey size . And are being fired at 12% the speed of light . And according to halo lore even if the shields were to hold the ship would still be vaporized by the release of thermodynamic energy from the Impact . Because the Infinity isn't firing standard ships MACs It's firing the largest Super MACs ever constructed at 12% of the speed of light.
So everything you wrote was wrong. If you check the infinity schematic in warfleet, you will notice that the Mac cannons are visible in cross section. Infinity Mac's are right at the front of the ship and their rounds are shorter than pelican, and thinner. So they are not 12m in diameter, closer to 4m. And they also don't fire at 12% the speed of light. They fire 4%. The BC 304 is 685m long, and those Asgard weapons are strong enough to destroy ori motherships, which are 2.5km long. They can destroy wraith hive ships that are 7.3km long. And a wraith hive ship can tank a nuke over a gigaton without shields because of its regenerative hull. The infinity gets all sorts of messed up in this fight. And that's without a ZPM in the mix. A BC 304 with a ZPM tanked a coronal mass ejection.
@nihilityjoey th-cam.com/video/pngSo_Lt2oM/w-d-xo.html And read Halo:Shadows of Reach. Because that book is the newer source than Halo Warfleet. And is the source for the Infinity's velocity. Which I did make a typo as Halo Shaddows of Reach mentions 25% of the speed of light. So don't throw stones when the newer source material supports the statement.
@@John2r1those people who write the books haven't a clue about ballistics and physics. Even 00 did a video on how ridiculous the INFINITYS Mac's are, because someone who doesn't care for those details just flung out random numbers in a book. Same for the ark. The ark is 200 odd thousand light years from the galactic center of the milky way. Yet Greg bear flung in millions of light years away. I'm sorry but even according to halo fans, halos Mac's got way out of proportion when that happened. And to make a point. Halcyon class ships could take multiple Mac rounds from similar sized ships, and still function. You can't do that if Mac's are supery dupery physics disregarding strong. Same for the covenant, a couple of thirty megaton nukes could deshield a crs. And a super carriers shields won't be far off of that. That's 60 megatons. And infinity can one shot a CCS with its shields up, so she's probably packing about 70 megatons per shot of equivalent energy. That's not scratching the odyssey at all. Not even a tickle. Whilst the odyssey would rip her apart and easily take out the other frigates with her 32 rail guns.
@nihilityjoey Yes. However it's still cannon. Because 343 Industries did a Games Workshop with cannon. They essentially said everything is cannon unless we say otherwise. Which is how we get the Halo Encyclopedia saying that Super MACs fire at 50% of the speed of light. And yet other sources saying 4% of the speed of light. The Infinity firing at 25% of the speed of light is the most recent cannon from the book Halo Shaddows of Reach. So there is a lot of contradiction. Abd the only in universe explanation that makes any sense is that the power imput level can be increased or decreased which would effect not only the projectiles velocity but also the recharge time thus reload time. This is also likely the reason most commanders wouldn't use the main guns at full charge unless the target is to difficult for the lower settings to destroy. You also have to remember the Infinity was designed to win against Supercarriers up to 30km in length and armed to the teeth with heavier weapons than the Odyssey is capable of carrying. We are talking energy projectors firing a super heated arcane plasma like substance at the speed of light. A single grain of sand at 99.9% of the speed of light does this th-cam.com/video/lf9OMavhQ0A/w-d-xo.html No weapon in the Stargate universe comes close to that level of destruction. The Infinity that's to its design and shielding system being powered by engines that Essentially draw power from a neutron star as its primarily sublight engines and the FTL engines using the energy of alternate Universes in the form of vacuum energy. Kind of makes the Infinity an extremely hard nut to Crack. Obviously it's possible to damage or destroy the ship given the right circumstances. But the Odyssey lacks the firepower, numbers and sheer mass to do the job. The Banished took advantage of the shields being down to board the ship and used specially designed Dreadnoughts to cripple the Infinity by ramming it from different directions.
@@John2r1the infinity uses 3 deuterium fusion reactors. An upgraded tri reactor used in the autumn class. This is canon. And that power source does not generate anywhere near the energy needed to do what you say AT ALL. You can stick to "this is canon" because you are now in war hammer 40k territory and I don't take that seriously at all. And infinitys ftl engine may draw power from zero point energy, but that doesn't supply power to anything on infinity, other than for the ftl engine. The BC 304 on the other hand uses naquadah fusion reactors that produce far more energy than any of the traditional fusion reactors you see in halo. They produce way more energy at much lower temperatures than either the unsc or covenant. And are more efficient in their usage. Naquada is the element the stargates are made of which can handle the energy to form a stable wormhole In fact it's very much like the muon catalysed fusion sources the forerunners have, but with naquadah. And the ships can also be equipped with a ZPM a zero point module , which DOES supply extra power to the ships shields and weapons, unlike the forerunner slip space engine on infinity. Ships don't draw power from their engines, they get it from their reactors. And you can't fire plasma at the speed of light. Just another example of halos extreme penchant for Fantacy. The infinity is very much outmatched here it's not even funny.
The daedalus class has been shown in canon to execute several intrasystem tactical hyper jumps as so be able to hit and run attack much larger opponents. Might be a factor to consider.
Thanks for granting my request. I've been wanting somebody on YT to make a video like this.
However, there are a few things that you've overlooked when it comes to the shield strength of both ships. Asgard beam weapons would make short work of the Infinity's shields. Energy-based weapons can drain both Covenant and UNSC shields much quicker than kinetic based weaponry. I'd rank their shield strength below that of the Goa'uld shields which are by far the weakest in the Stargate series, while the strongest are from the Ancients, Asgard, and Ori. Two Goa'uld motherships (Ha'tak) easily withstood hits from two naquadah enhanced nukes, which had yield of 1000 megatons. That is about 33x more powerful than UNSC's HAVOK nukes, that's only at 30 megatons.
The Odyssey is equipped with the strongest shields and weapons ever designed by the Asgard. Other than a NOVA bomb, the Odyssey can withstand anything the Infinity can throw at it, same can't be said for the opposite.
I disagree on several points. I think the power scale between the universes are almost never fully appreciated. In universe, the shields of the infinity are no joke. The shield is forerunner based, along with the slip space drive, engines and other parts. The benefits that brings can not be overstated. Literally in the opening sequence she's seen barreling through a covenants RCS, which has never been seen in universe before and until then, was a formidable vessel in its own right. Maybe the misunderstanding stems from viewing the covenant and the FORERUNNERS in underestimated fashion. The covenant were very powerful. Humanity's only hope was the skism that fractured the covenant with infighting. I mean, they had multiple vessels at 29km in length. The high charity, with was built over a forerunner dreadnought was 505km by 348 km. The mantles approach, which was a flagship of the didact was 143km by 371km by 138 km. Vessels that long in the stargate universe is probably unfathomable. The hull was made completely out of programmable matter, and powered by "hardlight and energy bonds" They built countless halo rings at 10,000km capable of only targeting organic matter, rendering an entire galaxy void of life. They could prematurely collapse stars to create planets in 10,000 years. Their "slipspace" drives, granted them near instant teleportation in space. They also had things like Dyson spheres, and were able to contain them inside artificial planets and shield worlds.
In my opinion, the forerunners technology is too advanced compared to that of the ancients, or anything else we've seen in stargate. With the infinity incorporating technology from both the forerunner and covenant, im sure you are not fully grasping her capabilities. The infinity has top of the line series 8 macs, which pierced the shields and hull of the mantles approach.
Id really like to know what you think though, as I'm not extremely knowledgeable about either universes. I tried to be as unbiased as possible. Cheers mate
@@theman21ops The things you've described are only true for actual Forerunner made vessels and tech. Bare in mind that, that the some of tech utilized Infinity and covenant vessels are simply based on Forerunner design. The new shields, weapons, and power core of the Odyssey were personally outfitted by the Asgard, along with the entirety of their knowledge and history. Allow it to battle and destroy multiple ships several times larger than itself.
In terms of FTL capabilities, hyperspace travel in Stargate are shown to be much faster than Halo's slipspace. As ships of the BC-304 class are capable of intergalactic level of travel, it can travel from the Milky Way to Pegasus galaxy in 4 days (with ZPM) or 3 weeks (without ZPM) depending on the power source. The Ancients, Asgard, and Ori are noted to be even faster. The Infinity on the other hand is only at an interstellar level. The travel time can vary and can affected by certain anomalies and phenomenons unique to slipspace, such as reconciliation debt. Even Forerunner vessels weren't immune to such a phenomenon.
@@Connor.SG-1Ring But don't understated infinity..it literally ramp through a covenant ships with shields(for the record covenant shields can withstand multiple havoc nuke attack). Infinity's shields is so powerful that it absorbs all that immense force like nothing and continued it's own way.. Also forerunner shield technology is lot more advanced than that of all the advanced Stargate ships can offer and yet Infinity with its supper mac has managed to take down and tear through its hull of one of the most advance forerunner ships.. Forerunner are crazy advance race to the point that it makes Stargate ancients technology like a child's play.. no need to mention Asgard technologies..
@@doleh8477 The shield strength featured in the Stargate series displayed far better feats than those in Halo. As I mentioned up above, Goa'uld shields can withstand a naquadah-enhanced nuke _(Goa'uld-buster)_ which is at 1,000 megatons, while it takes multiple nukes _(HAVOK or Shiva-class)_ each with a yield of 30-80 megatons to overwhelm Covenant shields. The shields are also able to endure the heat and radiation from the coronasphere of a blue giant star, for up to 10 hours and with no danger to its crew _(SG-1 S05E01 Enemies)._ Note, Goa'uld shields are among the weakest in the series.
The Odyssey's sister ship Daedalus _(with ZPM)_ deflected a coronal mass ejection, and this occurred before it aquire the final upgrades from the Asgard.
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The seedship Destiny is a far older vessel designed by the Ancients but it's shields are powerful enough to allow it to fly inside of stars in order to recharge.
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Only the Infinity's engines are noted to be of Forerunner design, while it's shields were reverse-engineered from the Covenant. Directed-energy weapons can deplete those type of shields faster than projectile based weapons.
The Mantle's Approach didn't appear to have activated it's shields when it got shot by the Infinity's MAC, as energy shields would normally glow when struck. It doesn't really matter whether or not the Infinity's super MAC could pierce through the Odyssey's shields, given that its a smaller vessel as well as being too fast and maneuverable for it to hit.
The Forerunners were indeed very advanced but I wouldn't call the Ancient/Lantean tech childs play. There areas in which the Ancients excel far better than the Forerunners, such as faster and efficient methods of FLT, instantaneous travel, communications, weather manipulation, time travel, time dilation, interdimensional travel, ascension.
Not to mention the ancients had their own version of the HALO rings, so saying the forerunners are more advanced is questionable at best.
This I a really interesting compare and contrast because the Infinity is real game changer for the UNSC it's a very capable ship and perfect capital ship.
However the Odyssey in particular the Daedalus class ships are designed to fight well above their weight classes each time they square off against wraith hives ships that are close if not equal to the Infinity in size and scale. Even without the Asgrad technology was atleast able to square off and for limited time could hold off multiple hive ships no small feet given their capabilites.
Honestly so far this a pretty fair analysis.
I'm glad you liked it. :)
@@UtopianBroadcast1 yeah I love both ships but if had to choose one I would be riding around in the daedalus class because it does more with less and serving on Navy ships I learned less crew in sometimes better and having smaller ship is also much more efficient.
Definitely more efficient when your in a space battle. Less moving parts. The only benefit of having a big crew would be taking over ship.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 or some sustained campaign action which would make sense for fleet ship.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 I tend to think of the BC304 as comparable to the Normandy its Special Mission ship designed to support unconventional types of operations because of who they are designed to support.
The Daedalus-class was a mere shadow of its true potential. The Asgard systems on board were so advanced the humans couldn't fully power them, and ran the Hyperdrive, shields and weapons at a fraction of their true capability. The times weve seen a Daedalus-class boosted with a ZPM they became practically invincible, able to shrug off a Coronal-mass-ejection from a star with no damage.
There was damage. Hull damage, damage to rail guns and sensors because of the heat.
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Odyssey literally just needs to jump in, teleport a nuke or two and jump out. That's exactly how the Daedalus killed several Hive ships that were several times larger than itself.
Problem being doing that without being hit by one of the 11 ships it would be facing. The second problem being that the Infinity might actually take the explosion or Roland might teleport it right back out into space . Which would be very bad for the Odyssey because the Infinity has the ability to track objects at FTL speeds. Thanks to Forerunner technology.
@@John2r1 The nukes will explode just few seconds after the delivery plus they will have not enought time to get it out, if Odysey teleports a nuke in the middle of the Infinity, it's game over for the Infinity.
@@martinantab3520 And when the ships AI teleports the Nuke back and the Infinity's fleet opens up with everything they have to include launching Nova Bombs at the Odyssey.
Or did you forget about the other 10 ships that were deployed as soon as the Infinity arrived ?
Destroying the Infinity is a one way ticket to the UNSC vaporizing Stargates version of Earth. And there is absolutely nothing Stargate command has that will stop fleets of hundreds to thousands of ships wiping the floor with them.
Overall this isn't a 1v1 it's a 1vs11 and the Odyssey is outclassed by the opposing force.
@@John2r1 Yeah sure buddy, the UNSC doesn't has that ability, unless you show me an example of UNSC teleporting bombs and boarding actions from their ships and stations into space.
The Infinity would be destroyed before those outdated frigates would be deployed.
the UNSC wouldn't know where StarGate's Earth is, let alone suspect it being in a different Galaxy.
The BC-304s were designed to fight whole fleets alone.
The Odyssey and Daedalus class are the epitome of the winning a 10 sec gunfight come in fast and hit hard. Either that or supporting a very unconventional strike in true SG fashion.
That only works when the ship doesn't see them coming from well beyond visual range and the weapons systems aren't being controlled by a hyper advanced smart AI like Roland. Also the Infinity is not a fair fight anyways as the first thing it does other than launching spy drones ahead of where it's going is drop 10 frigates and launch fighters upon leaving slipspace. So the Odyssey is being put in a bad position from the start realistically.
@@John2r1Which isn't a problem, Tau'ri sensors could detect the Infinity from light hours away and then jump behind it via subspace.
@nobleman9393 Um when have they ever done either of those things in actual canon. Not something you pulled out of your ass.
And do note I have watch the Stargate SG1 series including the episodes the Odyssey appeared in.
@@John2r1 Often, when they want to move into a specific position they just do it, What I said isn't any different from what the Daedalus did to a Wraith Hive Ship during The Battle of the Void, or when they predicted where a Wraith Fleet will jump out of the subspace in Season 1 they just went there and waited next to the exit point, when Asuran rebels gave them a device that allows for tracking of regular Asuran Ships they were just jumping next to them and blowing them up, all those mini jumps they were doing to avoid Ori Warships in season 10 or all those micro jumps they were doing when they were looking for Atlantis in episode "Adrift"
@nobleman9393 The first half of what you just said about them predicting where the Wraith hive ship would exit is an example of plot armor.
The second half about the Asuran Rebels giving them a device capable of tracking Asuran ships is an example of Deus ex machina.
They don't have a device to track the Infinity, they don't have any information about what Slipspace is and they know nothing about the UNSC and its technological capabilities. They literally have to do one of two things. Wait for the Infinity to show up with it's entire fleet or hope that some sort of plot armor gives them a chance.
And they aren't getting plot armor here. Nor are they getting a device that allows them to track a ship from a faction they don't even know exists prior to this first contact scenario.
Also the UNSC doesn't use Star Gates. So that ideal just went out the window. They are going to have to wait and see. If they want to run away using micro jumps that's fine. But how far can they run before the UNSC finds earth and they are forced to stand and fight.
This of course is only because the video is a versus debate. Realistically the Infinity and her fleet are primarily deployed on an exploration mission along with being used for power protection and diplomacy.
Also you need to account for the Infinity being capable of doing pin point accurate micro jumps as well and having at minimum 10 other ships with it.
The Infinity and Eternity are the fastest ships in the fleet. And carry 10 ships with them. The rest of the fleet are shortly behind the Infinity.
So this 1 v 1 will quickly become a 1vs 11 and then a 1 vs 24 as the 10 Autumn Class heavy cruisers and 3 Vindication-class Battleships catch up to the Infinity.
This makes that ambush a very bad choice of tactic. Because while the Odyssey is attempting to attack the Infinity from behind, the Infinity is dropping 10 frigate class ships and launching hundreds to thousands of fighters armed with anti ship missiles. All sworming after the Odyssey. And a few seconds later 13 more ships show up. Because the UNSC doesn't fight fair.
Pretty much every major faction in Halo has the firepower to destroy UNSC ships in a fair fight to the point that 3 on 1 vs the Covenant the UNSC expected to lose or have damaged 2 of 3 ships. They built the Infinity Class Supercarriers to be capable of taking on CSO class Supercarriers and win that firefight through overwhelming firepower and numbers via its compliment of internally docked ships. The 24 ships I am counting are just the warships not counting support ships which the Spirit of Fire is the most notable Phenix class support ship. Which yes are refitted and upgraded colony ships used to support entire fleets. There would likely be at least 2 of them serving a fleet of 24 warships .
In other words numbers kill and the Infinity Class Supercarriers have a support fleet, namely Expeditionary Strike Group 1. Which the Infinity is the flagship of.
Ambushing with a single ship isn't so easy against a fleet. Also the Infinity is packed with sensors and deploys recon drones ahead of entering a region to give the ship a clearer picture if what's in front of it.
Yes, this means Captain Lasky intentionally rammed that ship in Halo 4 Spartan Ops. Because he knew he could.
So if the Odyssey were to attempt an ambush. There is the off chance Rolland changes the course and rams the Odyssey on the way out of slipspace. Making that ideal a failure.
The Odyssey is actually closer to 650 Meters in length, not 200 meters.
Does that really matter when it's going against a 5,694.2 meters by 833.3 meters wide by 1,041.2 meters in height , 907 million metric tons Supercarrier warship designed to take on ships that make it look like a fighter.
And while the Odyssey is armed with 4 plasma beam weapons , 32 railguns and 16 missile launchers at the ready . And 16 fighters .
The ship it's up against is armed with 4x Super MACs firing 6000 ton shells at 25% of the speed of light, 10× Mark 2551 MAC networks , 85× M85 Anti-Aircraft Gun networks/point defense networks, 830x Coilguns, and 27,040 missiles loaded in various missile systems throughout the massive ship. All of which can be controlled by Roland the Ship's executive officer and Smart AI.
Then there are the 10 ships it carries with it which vary by the mission but are generally Frigate Classes. And they are shielded as well and armed to the teeth as well and each ship has a Smart AI.
Then there are the metric shit ton of fighters and bombers that can be on board a ship that large. 16 fighters vs hundreds to thousands of fighters isn't a fight they can win.
Before the reply about the Naquadah composite that the F-302 fighters are made out of . Two things to point out . One it's armed with two raiguns capable of firing projectiles at mach 5 and 4x wing-mounted long range AIM 120A air-to-air missiles .
The F-41 Broadsword is shielded and carries 2x rapid-fire M1075 autocannons which in Halo are a classification of Coilgun. two M6088 ST/MMP missile pods mounted underneath the wings. The pod's standard munition is the AIM-90E dogfighting missiles , hard points for AAM-50XR dogfight missiles or AGM-79C anti-ship guided missiles and carries a 30 megaton excavation-grade HAVOK tactical nuclear weapon generally mounted in a guided missile. Oh and is capable of Mach 12. And the pilot is neural linked to the fighter.
Note Spartans can also be pilots. And there isn't a human pilot capable of reacting as fast as a Spartan Pilot can. Meaning the minute those 16 pilots decide it's a bright ideal to engage the UNSC fighters will be the minute that they are killed by the UNSC fighters. Spartans are faster , stronger and can handle doing high G maneuvers that would kill a normal human pilot. So this debate isn't an easy fight regardless of how long the Odyssey is.
@@John2r1 Fighters can be ignored, they won't pierce the shields anyway, the Odyssey has to only kill the Infinity, once that's achieved the match is over.
@@nobleman9393 A few factors here first the fighters are carring Nuclear weapons ranging from 30 megatons to 200 megatons each fighter. And as soon as those 16 fighters the Odyssey sent out are destroyed the Infinity is going to open those giant hanger bays again releasing thousands upon thousands of B-65 Bombers armed with larger nukes and EMP bombs designed to take out enemy electronics. The B-65 Shortsword is basically a large B-2 Spirit on steroids that can carry approximately 3 times the payload of a B-1 Lancer . Which is capable of carrying 75,000 lbs or 37.5 tons of bombs meaning the B-65 is a stealth designed strategic bomber capable of space flight that can carry roughly 225,000 lbs or 112.5 tons of bombs.
Now the shielding on the Odyssey like every other shielding system in sci fi it can only take so much damage before they fail. The XGBU-302 "disruption" bombs weigh 4,000 lbs each and are designed to knockout electronics within 2.1 miles or 3379.62 meters each. Meaning one of these bombs could knock out the electronics powering the shield system. And the SGC has no experience with an enemy has no experience with an enemy using EMP bombs against their electronics on their ships.
Which leads to a major problem for the Odyssey because the Odyssey has no dedicated anti air weapons . So ignoring the fighters and bombers means having the shields hammered by weapons designed to knock out shields in addition to nukes being dropped on the ship.
Essentially the crew isn't going to like being carpet bombed by a crap ton of craft in waves. Eventually the shield will go down and the Odyssey will be severely damaged probably crippled because these pilots aren't rookies. They know where to target on a ship to cause the most damage.
IE they can't ignore the fighters and bombers doing runs on their ship. Because the shield matrix will gradually degrade under fire (rather quickly under sustained bombardment, resulting in more and more energy from attacks bleeding through and causing damage to the ship.
And that is in addition to the large number of guided missiles, coilgun fire and trying to not get hit by the 27 meter bore Super MACs as well as dodging the fire from the Anlace-Class Frigates energy weapons. Ie the turreted Helios capital-scale high-energy lasers , Magna-320 capital-scale pulse lasers , AN/SEQ-11 point-defense laser array's
Basically the UNSC is likely to win this engagement by overwhelming the Odyssey. Because there are only two options for the Odyssey to not get destroyed with these odds . One is to withdraw from the fight thus the Infinity's immediate security forces win the fight. Or hail the Infinity with an offer of peace because by itself it can't handle this level of combat.
Seriously this isn't the first time the Odyssey has been out match by numbers. The battle of P3Y-229 saw the Odyssey involved with the discovery of the second Ori Supergate. Joining her sister ship Korolev and a group of Tok'ra, Asgard, and Jaffa vessels at the gate, she received assistance from Kvasir and his vessel to try to prevent the gate from dialling. The efforts failed, with four Ori warships emerging through the Supergate which devastated the fleet.
As a result of participating in the battle, the Odyssey suffered severe damage during the engagement, and withdrew to effect repairs and to ensure that someone would be left alive to warn Earth of the defeat.
Plot armor said they did eventually win through deus ex machina but I am not giving them plot armor here any more than I am giving the UNSC Infinity plot armor . I am simply staying within capablilities seen in Halo. An example of an AI defusing a bomb is seen with Cortana in Halo 3. And seems to be rather easy for an AI to do. Note In the above case of defusing the bomb it was an Antimatter bomb. Yes she reactivated it after Chief delivered it to the Covenant ship. So there is a reference in lore for that. Teleportation is a new trick for the UNSC as they have reverse engineered Forerunner teleportation technology.
Now with all that said . Infantry ? You mean the Spartans delivering their bomb back to them. Aka the 7ft plus tall super humans in MJOLNIR Gen 3 power armor with overlapping shields , Multi layered Boron Carbide , Titanium-A3 based composite armor plating (spaced) , hydrostatic gel , a nanocomposite bodysuit , Auto-repair and bypass nodes Painted in a heat dispersing coating that can take a limited amount of plasma damage. That is equipped with motion trackers, radar, thermal , IR Scopes, with Promethean vision attachment . And lets not forget that a 14 year old Spartan 2 fresh out of augmentation killed /crippled 4 ODSTs in hand to hand combat without armor on and while holding back. The Spartans in Gen 3 armor are all capable of the same feats as Master Chief is .
The Odyssey in the tv series has roughly 214 crew members. Spartans can literally rip them apart in seconds without even using their weapons. Sure the average UNSC Marine is carrying modern plus weapons like the MA5 which is just a 7.62x51mm rifle that fires between 650 to 900 rounds per minute at a muzzle velocity of 905m/s . But the UNSC aren't sending the infantry to board the enemy ship. Their sending Spartans. And Spartans have a lot more powerful weapons than the standard MA5 .
The Hydra MLRS is actually designed as a standard rifle to Spartans similar to how bolters are for Space Marines. But in close quarters they are likely to go with something a little less explosive though using the Hydra with rounds set to air burst would clear the decks rather quickly. Because even when Spartans do use standard weapons they are modified.
Examples include M6 pistols with modifications including smart scope system, suppressor , extended 18 round mags of 12.7x40mm.
M45 (Blaze of Glory) variant with smart linked scope system, Kinetic bolts attachment equipped in order to fire hard-light projectiles with more range and added anti-materiél effect. 12 rounds of 8 gauge magnum either 0000 ("quadruple-ought") buckshot made of tungsten or slugs like any other combat shotgun. It's the hardlight infused with antimatter that increases the damage.
But a little historical note when the US brought Shotguns to WW1 the Germans tried to say it was a war crime and those were 12 gauge . These are 8 gauge which was historically used hunt large, dangerous game in the 19th century . So overkill against normal humans.
And so on . Anyways the Spartans are going to be coming into the ship with close quarters weapons and even the MA5s will be loaded with Shredder round and be using the Kinetic bolts attachment. In other words the crew tries to fight them. And the Spartans wipe them out in seconds. Marines and Army troopers are used for more conventional engagements normally and aren't suicidal enough to guard a bomb that's about to explode. That's where Spartans being indoctrinated hard to kill super human walking tanks come in.
Oh and if the Spartans sent over with the bomb look like this.. www.halopedia.org/WRATH-class_Mjolnir#/media/File:H5G-Wrath&MA5D.jpg , www.halopedia.org/WRATH-class_Mjolnir#/media/File:H5G-Wrath.jpg or this ... www.halopedia.org/WRATH-class_Mjolnir#/media/File:H5G-Wrath&M45.jpg
My advice to the Odyssey crew .. Abandon Ship. So Infantry ? try Spartan Head Hunters.
@@nobleman9393 Yeah because a single lightly armed ship is going to take out a ship that could literally ram it out of the way and cause serious damage to it.
The Odyssey couldn't take on Ori Warships without help and still suffered severe damage. Because the shields can't withstand sustained bombardment. Regardless the tiny 200 meters long lightly armed ship is going to get destroyed. Also the Infinity has 10 ships that will be hitting it with energy weapons from all sides . Those shields under constant bombardment will buckle , the hull will suffer damage and the shields will fail long before the little beam weapons of the Odyssey does enough damage to the Infinity to be more than an irritation.
The Odyssey is smaller and less armed overall than the smallest Covenant ships. Literally speaking the crew of the Odyssey can forget about using those missiles and railguns because the missiles will be shot down and the railguns will have the same effective as a child throwing rocks at the side of a tank. That leaves the 4 Plasma beam weapons gifted to them by the Asgard. Nice parting gift right . The Asgard plasma beam is a narrow, high-intensity beam of superheated plasma. These beams are capable of overloading and penetrating even the most advanced shields and burning through the hulls and internal structures of an enemy vessel.
Guess what the Infinity was designed to fight against ?
Answer : Ships that fire superheated plasma beams at the speed of light. The difference being the Covenant's copy of Forerunner Plasma Lances aka Energy Projectors employ the use of gravitic impellors and magnetic lensing to accelerate, focus and direct beams of high-intensity plasma generated by the ship's pinch fusion reactor. Aka the artificially created core of a Star producing plasma exceeding several million degrees Celsius. And due to the scale of the ship and weapons the Covenant fires a larger plasma beam.
So yeah the only effective weapon the Odyssey has against the Infinity won't do enough damage because the beam is a small narrow beam and the Infinity's Titanium-A3 armor is a more advanced forms of Titanium-A armor , fitted with thermal superconducting elements to help strengthen against energy weapon impacts. Titanium-A3, a variant of Titanium-A battle plate developed by the Office of Naval Intelligence's Materials Group. Like Titanium-A, it is chemically altered on the molecular level to produce a stronger plate for ship hulls.
And like other variants Titanium-A3 is layered with Tungsten increasing radation resistant and greater protection against plasma weaponry. It also has Sealant foam or self sealing foam which is a reactive material designed to instantly seal breaches between a pressurized space and a vacuum. Along with other various materials. Meaning as I've said before the Odyssey simply doesn't have the firepower to fight the Infinity. It might breach the shields eventually but how long will that take while the Odyssey is taking fire from energy weapons and nuclear weapons as well as coilguns and takes hits from the main MACs to finish it off.
Ignoring the fighters and bombers dropping bombs that are designed to EMP/disrupt all electronic equipment within 3.4 kilometers (2.1 mi) of the detonation points of each bomb plus nuclear bombs and missiles.
Here's a little math for you 3.4 km = 3400 meters. The Odyssey is well within this range. So the bombers and their fighter escorts are a bit of an irritation damaging the systems on the ship while the Infinity and her compliment fleet get into position and fire on the Odyssey.
Oh and that little teleportation of nukes thing from the Odyssey that tactic can only be used against unshielded vessels as the targeting sensors required to achieve a lock are unable to penetrate shielded vessels.
So yeah the Odyssey is going to have to slug it out ships larger and more heavily armed than itself while being pounded by bombing runs and missile strikes as well as coilguns , energy weapons and the occasional Super MAC rounds. Something tells me that under sustained bombardment the shields of the Odyssey will fail before it does enough damage to the Infinity.
The Infinity was literally designed to be a floating fortress, It was built as an emergency mobile colony by Project OUROBOROS. The ship was built to survive the collapse of society and to take survivors to distant star systems. As well as be capable of going toe to toe with anything the Covenant has and surviving. A ship the size of the Odyssey with the small amount of effective firepower that the Infinity's shields wouldn't just laugh off . Isn't going to be enough to take on the giant cheat ship of a Warship that is designed to survive more damage then the Odyssey can dish out let alone has taken in it's career.
@@John2r1 Pretty weird that you inssist using the size to determine the power, in 40k vs Halo where Frigates are larger than UNSC cruisers you don't seem to use that argument.
"the shields can't withstand sustained bombardment." that's how shields work in Sci-fi.
Even Ha'taks have better feats of durability than Covenant ships.
"Guess what the Infinity was designed to fight against?"
Not against ships powered by vaccum energy armed with weapons designed to pierce shields powered by vaccum energy.
The Asgard are a Forerunner level species and those beams were designed by them, so while the Covies have an inferior copy, the SGC have an original product.
The BC-304s are made out of Trinium, which is 100 times stronger than steel and Naquadah, we don't have exact figure on how much stronger it is, but we have a statement, if a Star Gate was made out of titanium the energies of the wormhole would rip it apart after 7 minutes, while Star Gates made out of naquadah can operate regularly for years and without any signs of damage.
It took 3 shots to destroy shields of Ori Warships and Auroras, the Infinity would take probably 4 shots for shields and then two to destory the ships itself, seeing how Asgard beams can rip apart 7 km long Hive Ships.
The ship runs mostly on crystal tech, so no circuitry to melt with EMPs, except for some non essential systems.
The Infinity would need to drop the shields to send all those fighters and frigates and which point a nuke appears in the middle of the ship.
The Odyssey has cloaking field and can make precision jumps behind the Infinity.
Which part of, is powered by vacuum energy, something the forerunners used and was upgraded by the Asgard, a forerunner level species you don't understand?
Daedalus ( Odyssey ) Class did get cloak ZPM Power adapter and among other coool stuff
Yes and the Infinity's slipspace drive and engines are from Forerunner technology.
Fact the Covenant copied Forerunner technology so even the subspace Impulse drives which are the engines used in normal space are based on Forerunner technology.
The power system being pinch fusion which is basically the power of the core of an artificially created star.
So both are using a form of vacuum energy to power their ships.
The major difference is really scale and armament.
The reasons the Odyssey would be screwed in a fight against the Infinity is partly due to the AI controlled weapons systems that can track and engage thousand of targets simultaneously.
Second reason is the 10 ships it carries with it. So it wouldn't ever be a 1v1 fair fight. It would be a 1 Odyssey vs 1 Infinity plus 10 other ships. And that's without the rest of Expeditionary Strike Force 1 showing up behind the Infinity.
Daedalus class ships are approx. 1 km long. I believe the guys at Trekyards got the scale CGI models used in the Stargate shows.
I saw the trek yards series and they made about the same size as the Enteprise E which is about 700 meters
@@808INFantry11X In the one where they used the CGI scale models they had the length as close to that of two Nimitz class aircraft carriers , which would put it at 1 km or slightly longer.
@@danielmaxwell7250 the Nimitz class Carriers are only 335 meters I know served on 2 of them USS Eisenhower CVN69 and USS Theodore Roosevelt CVN71
@@danielmaxwell7250 two Nimitz Class Carriers is about the length of the Enterprise E or D
@@808INFantry11X I double checked and I read the numbers wrong. but yes the length is closer to 700 meters. I guess it helps to clean the monitor screen after the cat sneezes on it.
So happy so see some new Stargate content :)
Size doesnt really matter. The Odyssey has asgard weapons and shields it would tear the Infinity apart.
Sure but that's just one ship there would be 11 ships and as soon as the Infinity is damaged enough it's going to jump out of there along with the other ships then come back with friends and Nova Bombs to vaporize both the Odyssey and the planet it's protecting . Oh and the chances of tearing apart a ship that has supersoldiers with teleportation tech before that ship deploys said supersoldiers to murder the crew of the Odyssey realistically speaking is next to none.
Fact is the Odyssey can't do enough damage fast enough. And those shields on the Infinity are being powered by a combination of the primary engines via Vacuum energy which are Forerunner designed . Vacuum energy is essentially draining the energy of an alternate reality . And the Pinch Fusion engines. Which basically draw power from a self contained artificially made Star Core . In other words the shields are fair more powerful than the shielding in the Stargate universe are. So step one take down shields designed to take energy weapons fire from weapons that fire a form of plasma at the speed of light . Step two is burning through the hull of a ship made to withstand energy and hypersonic projectile weapons that also has a layer that self seals hull breaches.
Meanwhile being attacked from all angles by 10 other ships and thousands of fighters. Because the ones listed on the wiki are not even close to the full number of craft the Infinity can obviously carry.
@@John2r1 The Chances aren't that bad, The Odyssey and other BC-304s did face worse battles in which they had to fight against several Wraith ships or Ori Warships at the same time and the UNSC doesn't have a reliable form of teleportation and even if they had they would be stopped by the Shields.
Ah yes, the vacuum energy, also known as the Zero-point energy, used by the Lanteans and the Ori before their ascension, Ori Warships use it and Asuran ships used it too, the US space ships use it too if they have one available, the Asgard designed a beam weapon capable of easily overpowering shielding powered by Vacuum energy, which was put on all BC-304s and there's no reason to believe that several meters of Titanium would stop those beams anyway.
In season 10, the Odyssey destroyed an Ori Warship in 10 seconds for example, so it's unlikely that the Infinity would be able to deploy any ships or fighters.
@@nobleman9393 Slipspace teleportation isn't stopped by shields in real space. And they apparently do have a reliable Slipspace teleportation device considering its an armor attachment to Spartans MJOLNIR armor. If you really think about it.
Slipspace isn't like teleportation in other sci-fi universes like Stargate SG1 or Star Treck.
Slipspace teleportation is more like Wh40k Space Marines using a Teleport Homer device to teleport via the Warp. Minius the demons and Warp fuckery .
Which means they are jumping through alternate dimensions, tearing a hole in real space and out pops 7ft plus tall heavily armed death machines.
@@John2r1 They need a receiver in the place where they want to teleport, it's also short ranged, so they would need to get on a ship first to put that receiver there.
It's also only shown in the multiplayer, which is a simulation.
@@John2r1Going into slip space isn't special. Hyperspace is layers or frequencies of alternate dimensions of space time. Different drives use different frequencies. You are tearing a hole into another dimension in Stargate going into hyperspace.
Here's a demonstration of the energy goa'uld technology has. Guardians in halo, which are actually now meant to be precursor in origin, can crack a planet, 7 combining their power. Anubis single mother ship, using already existing GOA'ULD technology, and some ancient modifications, could destroy a planet. Not using vacuum energy either, using an enhanced gou'ald naquadah reactor. The guardians are using vacuum energy, Anubis ship wasn't. The BC 304 uses similar reactor technology to the gou'ald.
“At first glance, the Infinity looks stronger than the Odyssey”
Really? I never once thought that. The Odyssey may be smaller, but what it lacks in size, it makes up for in highly advanced technology.
Send some Replicators to the Infinity and enjoy the show.
Just listen, I bet you can hear the insect-like tapping of metal on metal already. Then after you can tell the UNSC, “Oh, by the way, these are *toys*”
Replicators vs the Flood would be interesting…
Lol, that's technically true.
@@samuel5916 You mean send a replicator to a ship run by a mobile Supercomputer that can run a solar system.
@@tinamoul One is purely organic and the other purely technological. They wouldn’t be able to absorb and repurpose the other like they do with most enemies. They’d have to fight a more traditional war.
@@samuel5916That's not true at all. The replicators can assimilate organic material to make more nanites. They can take all of the minerals out of a cell and use them to make more of themselves if needed.
Imagine if the UNSC got some help from the SGC during the War.
The Covenant would have destroyed the Odyssey through sheer numbers and the use of Energy Projectors from 100,000 km away.
Fact is none of the weapons used against the Odyssey have ever been shown to do the level of damage that Covenant Energy Projectors can do.
Also because humanity in SG1 caused hull damage due to the heat from how they where powering the shields. We know that the ship beneath can't take the heat from impacts of high temperatures such as 3,000 plus degrees Celsius at the speed of light hitting the ship.
Basically it becomes a numbers game. And the Covenant have the numbers advantage.
Also note that while the shields on Aurora-class ships are capable of resisting incredible amounts of heat and pressure, meaning they would have been more than capable of resisting the energy weapons of at least one Hive ship and/or several Wraith cruisers at full strength. However, these shields were shown to be vulnerable to Asgard plasma beam weapons after only a handful of hits.
Covenant plasma weapons on their ships are replicas of Forerunner plasma weapons. And the "plasma " has been described as not plasma as current science knows it, but something "far more dangerous, arcane, and destructive." By Frank O'Connor.
So plasma is the closes word humanity has to discribe the substance. Which as we both know defies known laws of science.
That said I think the technology of such a ship with some minor UNSC enhancements could at least increase their odds.
Because remember the UNSC had reverse engineered Energy Shielding technology a decade into the war.
@@John2r1 It can just leave if there's too many covies, simple.
Remember how two Ha'taks got hit by 1 Gigaton nukes, and those nukes only depleted their shields slightly? and remember how Ha'taks can deplete each others shields relatively fast? Don't forget that ships in StarGate are powered by Naqudah, a mineral much more potent than helium 3 or hydrogen used by the UNSC and of course even more potent version called Naquadria.
A Ha'tak was hiding in a Corona of a star for 10 hours before it's shields got depleted....
Their speed and accuracy of FTL allows them to jump in do some damage and leave, keep doing that and the Covenant will have to divert ships away from the frontlines, plus the damage to industry and informations gathered about their territory.
@@nobleman9393 Sure it could just leave . Except the UNSC was on the defensive and if they came to help the UNSC with such an advanced ship ONI would demand to have personal onboard. Which means if it retreats from the Battle without orders then well the SGC crew who would be required to teach the agents from ONI how to pilot it in case of any injuries to the crew . The agents would make a decision. Or rather already have orders in the case the SGC decides to Stab the UNSC in the back.
Aka ONI would kill them for dissertation. So the Commander of the ship would have to ask for permission to disengage. Because the main responsibility would be buying time for civilians to escape. Simply due to numbers.
Most likely the Odyssey would be stationed at Reach while the Scientist reverse engineer the technology and apply it to the fleet.
Retreat would be authorized in cases of either orders or being the last ship standing. And they would still be required to follow the Cole Protocol. Violation of which would result in immediate court marshall and execution.
@@John2r1 And they would say no, they have history of humans and aliens trying(or even taking) to take over their ships and bases in various ways, at best the UNSC would be allowed to have one maybe two representatives(unarmed of course)
You do understand the concept of hit and run attacks?
The SGC isn't a part of the UNSC, they can't give them orders and their members aren't obligated to listen to them, they can petition them to do what they want and coordinate with them, to put it simply the UNSC needs them more than the SGC needs them.
It's Unlikely that the SGC would provide them with their modern tech, selling them older technologies like Goa'uld shields, transportation rings and hyperdrive would be on the table tho.
Again they aren't a part of their military and thus aren't a subject of their laws, SGC ships going into the Covenant space and doing hit and run attacks would be the best, it would cause some damage, divert ships from the war and the UNSC would get some map of their territory.
@@John2r1you make no sense....at all. So the numbers we have for covenant shields, for battlecruisers are two nukes. One to deshield, the other to destroy. Or one nuke with loads of archers and Mac fire. It's three unsc halcyons v one corvette, with no nukes. Now we know the unsc does not possess sheva mountable nukes in excess of 50/60 megatons. The nova has never been mentioned again for obvious reasons. So for a battle cruiser that's 100/20 megatons to destroy it. A single ha'tak shot has more power than that, and that's ha'taks at the beginning of the show, they were upgraded throughout it. The odyssey has far greater firepower than that, her rail guns would put pressure on covenant shields, let alone her lance weapons. She's leagues faster than any covent ship, and can manoeuvre much better. Yes if she was swamped by say 10 - 15 covenant battlecruisers she would take major damage, but she can just jump away. If the odyssey was to help the unsc they would have helped turn the tide. Unyielding hyrphant? Nuke beamed aboard. High charity? Good night sweet prince by a cloaked BC 304.
Shadow Capital Battlecrab vs a Borg Cube would be an interesting fight.
You are forgetting one key factor when the when the ship was upgraded with Asgard Shields and beaming and being weapons it was also integrated with an Asgard core and Asgard beaming technology so technically all you have to do is beam over say two or three and put them in the engine room goodbye Infinity
Yes because beaming has never been countered. The Wraith countered it after a couple of interactions, you think the smart AI that casually runs a 5km ship can't?
@@tinamoul "After a couple of interactions". You only need one to beam a Gatebuster in the Infinity.
@@tinamoul Can smart AIs wish into existence teleportation jammers?
@@nobleman9393 Okay, okay, okay, okay. Odyssey can choose the tactic of beaming a nuke aboard Infinity seconds before detonation and the AI won't have anything to do with it or throw it back because it won't know what actually happened. Yes, the Wraith developed a countermeasure to this strategy, but that was after the destruction of the second Hive. For the AI to figure out what was going on, there would have had to be at least one nuke transmission to either ship, and once it figured out what was going on, it would have developed countermeasures. That takes Infinity out of the game. That leaves 10 frigates. Odyssey withstood hits from Hatak ships of 200-300 megatons per missile (it was said in the show, even if the visuals don't match, but that's logical since the author focuses more on the story than the details), then Odyssey withstood the continuous bombardment of four Ori ships (Stargate: The Ark of Truth). For the record, such an Ori weapon is capable of disabling a Goa'uld Hatak in one shot. That would put us in the gigatun range, which even if the frigates concentrated fire from their MACs, wouldn't be enough to break the Odyssey's shields. Plus Odyssey didn't even have ZPM on board during the sniping by the Ori ships I feel. Odyssey could also outmaneuver those frigates and use her beam weapons to take out all the frigates one by one and it's game over for UNSC.
*per shot i meant
first off the size that you give for the USS Odyssey is wrong its around 650 meters to 800 meter because at 200 meter long the ship could NOT fit the 16 F-302s fighter that it carriers in its two bays
I like how he totally ignores your post.
What can Infinity do to destroy the Odyssey? first and most importantly, ensure no one from SG1 is on board, if they are onboard hack the Asgard beaming tech and transport SG1 off the Odyssey.
The size you quoted for the Odyssey seems way too small, I checked and they are the sizes from the Stargate Wiki, but she should be more than double that size, considering the size of the F302 which is 26m wide, the launch bays are about a quarter the Odyssey's width that alone means Odyssey has to be at least 110m wide on a 90m wide Odyssey the launch bays are too small to launch an F302, and Daedalus is repeatedly shown launching 302s with them being maybe half the width of the launch bay, meaning realistically Odyssey should be about 250-300m wide, making her somewhere in the range of 500-800m long.
You also forgot to mention the Odyssey's Zero Point Module, which makes the shields and weapons even more ridiculously overpowered than on her sister ships, her sister ship Daedalus while equipped with a ZPM was able to take the full force of a coronal mass ejection for a few minutes, and Odyssey herself was able to withstand a fleet of Ori motherships hitting her with everything they had for about 10 minutes while her engines and most of her offensive systems were disabled, the Odyssey after the last round of Asguard upgrades is ridiculously overpowered.
I cannot see any situation where the fully upgraded Odyssey loses unless you put %random incompetent person% in command.
The only reasonable scenario where Odyssey loses is if this is before the fall of the Asguard and the last round of upgrades shown in SG1, if it is pre ZPM as well, Odyssey loses badly.
Stargate Now, which is run by the show runners of the show said that Odyssey is roughly size of a Sovereign class ship from Star Trek. So she's bigger than expected.
Also optional ZPM that Wastly strengtens the shields and beam weapons damage.
The Infinity has shields too and this realisitically wouldn't be a fair 1v1 fight. It would be a 1 vs 11 fight with a massive number of fighters and bombers coming in from all directions with anti ship missiles and nukes trying to knock out the Odyssey. 4x plasma beam emitters , 32 railguns and 16 missile launchers isn't enough firepower to even be considering attacking something as large and heavily armed as the Infinity.
The Odyssey and her sister ship the Korolev took on 4 Ori warships which they lost to but not a surprise. The Ori warships are each 1000 m long by 850 meters wide. Armed with 1 primary energy beam weapon and one Pulse weapon and 500 fighters with pulse cannons. So a bunch of energy weapons and with there being 4 ships the total number of fighters would have been 2,000 fighters.
By UNSC standards these would be lightly armed ships. As in UNSC support ships have more firepower than the Ori Warships.
Different universes different standards for numbers of weapons and things. Oh and the Infinity also recieved upgrades thanks to the Huragok aka engineers who upgraded the ships systems. So both ships are heavily modified and upgraded.
@@John2r1 At that time they weren't armed with Asgard Plasma beams and still used Naquadria as power, so yeah they didn't stood a chance.
Ori Warships were made by the followers of the Ori under their instructions, they use big Zero Point Energy generators and their feats include surving a barrage from a fleet 3 times larger than them, being rammed by a Ha'tak and not taking any damage, being fired upon by Asgard Ion cannons and not taking any damage, which can ignore shields and are powerful enough to oblitarate Replicator blocks, travel intergalactic distances, their beams weapons were shown to destroy Ha'taks with a single shot and the beam still keeps going after piercing it's shields and the whole ship.
it was only after the Odyssey was upgraded with the Beam weapons and more potent power source we see those ships being destroyed in ship to ship combat, so yeah no UNSC ship can match that.
Even without superior tech the odyssey would drop out of hyperspace and target the ship bays with nukes before anything could be launched. The resulting explosions from the smaller vessels would cause a ripple of internal explosions.
Bays are protected by energy shields powered by a self contained artifical star core via pinch fusion drive and the vacuum energy form the Forerunner engines.
@@John2r1 I don't know if an atmospheric shield can save a hangar from a nuke, another thing is that they will don't know about BC-304, humans will notice it right after Daedalus/Odyssey will exit hyperspace, this will be late because the nukes would be right on the way and the Infinity will not have shields on because they didn't except this surprise attack. Daedalus will catch them totaly unprepared.
@@martinantab3520 Those shields prevented superheated plasma fired at the speed of light getting through so yeah they probably would block a Nuke being fired at them especially the ones used by Stargate command.
The "Goa'uld Buster" Naquadah-enhanced nuclear weapon has a yield of 1,000 megatons. Which is cute but not even close to the Infinity's Super MACs. And no where near the power of a Nova Bomb.
Also a slug of 600 tons of plasma moving at the speed of light impacts with 1,925,991,302,520,900.5 GN of force or 2850.3 Terratons of TNT.
The writers in Halo suck at math. I used a Impact force calculator and conversion calculator . In anycase the shields will hold against basically anything the Odyssey can throw at it. Though if the fight goes on long enough the shields projectors could overheat. But it would take either a crap ton of force or a long time of being peppered by smaller weapons. Far longer than a fight against the Infinity would go. And even then the Odyssey has about 5 seconds to land a good hit while being engaged by the Infinity's support fleet before the shields dissipate the heat and regenerate to full strength.
So there are a number of problems for the Odyssey in this fight. Being outnumbered, the advanced shielding used by the UNSC, and the powful guns of UNSC ships of the classes that would be involved in the fight.
Wow you really know what you are doing here keep the videos coming
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I don't know enough about HALO capital ships to speculate, but my gut says this...
If it's the FULLY modified Odyssey (complete with beam weapons and the Asgard power core), it would win. If not...ouch...eventually it's shields would be collapsed and it's human weapons would be insufficient.
Edit: good point about the fighters and frigates, I didn't know about them. But yes, so many variables.
Worst case scenario, the UNSC infinity rams into the Odyssey due to its shielding
Lol no, Odyssey is too maneuverable, it can dodge out of the way. Odyssey has way stronger shields.
@@the11382 What if it was a surprise attack like that one trailer of that big covenant ship that got rammed?
@@the11382 even then I didn't say the Infinity would be alright. I said it would be the worst case scenario.
Please, don't use made-up numbers for the Odyssey's size...
I know this video is 2 years old but you never mentioned if the Odyssey has a ZPM that would be a game changer wouldn't it
So many facts from BC304 missing, like some examples like the gate buster bomb or beaming ability that can easly beam the gatebuster to enemy ship and blow it up without even fireing a shot.
Depending on the time frame the UNSC Infinity's crew could attach a teleport attachment to it and send it back before it goes boom.
Also the Infinity could have Nova Bombs onboard which are far more destructive. As a single Nova Bomb can vaporize an entire planet.
So there are factors on both sides.
Oh and depending on how it's rigged there is the possibility of Roland jamming the detonation signal. Or disarming the bomb until the Infinity sends it back. Then boom.
So this isn't a fool proof plan. But a possible one.
@@John2r1 Honestly.
The unsc having the teleportation technology, isn't the same as time dilation. Not even close. One allows the manipulation of time in real space, the other doesn't. The odyssey has transporter technology, it doesn't use that to go back in time. I don't know what you are talking about here. Even the forerunners by their own words couldn't control time. Their time locks used slip space to do the time bending. This is stated "time is not something we can control" halo infinite. So how is the unsc going to use transportation technology go back in time?. Now for the best part. That technology isn't like the Asgard beaming technology. How can Ronan stop something he's never encounters before?? The forerunners never had beaming technology, otherwise they would have used it to take the composer instead of using a tractor beam type of technology to pull it away. So how can Ronan counter something he's never encountered or can understand? They will time the nuke to go off one second after beaming. No send backs.
No nova bombs are present on the infinity, because she would have used them, whilst trying to survive. Nova bombs have never been mentioned again for very obvious reasons.
The BC 304 has technology on it the forerunners don't have. How are the unsc or covenant going to deal with that?
@@nihilityjoey I wasn't referring to send the bomb back in time. I was referring to either Teleporting it back onto the Odyssey or having Spartans deliver it back there. Since stealth ships do exist in Halo as well.
Basically jamming the bomb then detonation it after putting it somewhere on the Odyssey rather by telelportation or Spartan delivery.
That's not stopping time. That's using technology to send the bomb back. Thus they start playing hot potato with bombs. Via telelportation lol.
Also Nova Bombs are mission specific. And the Infinity likely has some because it's original mission was as both a life boat and as the most powerful warship the UNSC has to counter the Covenant.
Oh and there are nukes and the Infinity has the materials required to make a Nova Bomb if required.
@@John2r1 They would need to put a receiver where they want to teleport something, otherwise they can't teleport anything anywhere.
Nuclear Bombs used by the SGC use physical clock, which when used against other ships is set to explode 1 second after teleportation, so no they can't be jammed or disarmed before they detonate.
The Infinity doesn't carry Nova bombs and even then they would need to get permission from Sydney.
@@John2r1Do you have any evidence for infinity having novas on board or the means to make them? It would take 20 trillion times the nuclear arsenal we have now to have a realistic nova bomb.
I'll say this ALL TIME. The Mac numbers and nova numbers are absolute tripe written by someone who didn't have a clue or care. Much like a lot of halo it's the rule of cool first.
Stargate has some inconsistencies, but they are very minor, it's actually known for being one of the most cohesive shows. So for instance. We have a few thousand megatons worth of nuclear ordinance right now. It takes multiple gigatons to take out a hatak as I've shown. Two ha'taks in an alternate timeline wipe out earth and they threw everything they had at them. Sounds about right. Nova bombs haven't been mentioned again because even the makers of halo know it was a mistake. People like you only hold on to it and the Mac numbers because you think that's, all you have to rate power. But the Macs for the infinity are stupid as hell. She DOES NOT draw energy from vacuum. Her forerunner engine uses vacuum energy to create population. And even then it still needs a reaction mass. This means it is not actually drawing power at all. It's using vacuum energy as a propellant. This is in the halopedia. The odyssey can utilise vacuum energy to enhance everything about her capabilities, actually DRAWING POWER. the only thing infinity draws power from is a human made tri reactor like on the autumn cruisers. Like I've said elsewhere, halo fans like make stuff up, or overhype what's already there. If the infinitys macs are to be believed she would have won the war many times over, she could have taken high charity out no problem. And for one covenant cruiser, you would need 66'666 30 megaton havoc mines to do the job. And that's never been shown or talked about. Does the unsc have that many havocs? You see where these stupid numbers get you? Especially when in the same universe you have the total opposite shown?
The infinity gets destroyed either outright by a beamed nuke, which she has no way of stopping, or simply with the Odysseys with normal weapons and her support craft as well. She has no chance. Oh and the feat of the infinity ramming a cruiser? The infinity has its shields up, whilest the cruiser didn't, and the infinity hit the ship at its thinnest point, the neck. That's not impressive, at least not as impressive as what you made it out to be.
The odyssey is actually pretty big
The infinity would get mauled by the odyssey. Mauled. And the odyssey is 685m long, thats not counting the sensor mast at the fornt. Its about 715m long including the mast. Amd the Asgard core does not power the ship.
I find it interesting that you did not mention the clock or ZPM having both of those would cripple any UNSC fleet i don't think they have ever seen that tech and timing it to be used after getting hit with a nuke it would give them the time to analyze there enemy they could also stop time and use it to there advantage
Do affinity vs a Warhammer battleship
whoever can beam other guys into space or beam a nuke on their ship always wins.
im pretty sure asguard weapons are far beyond titanium stopping em. think titanium is cut easy by plasma and beam weapons would probably go threw and out the back without lots of ceramic armor
It's not Titanium, it is an alloy of Titanium that is tough enough that inferior versions of the alloy were used to defend against covenant plasma in early ships
Forgot about the energy shields of the infinity
You also forgot to mention that the infinity had several long swords which are capable of destroying ships much larger then it
Btw for anyone to want to know what the infinity’s macs are capable of they left a 7 mile crater on sanghelious
And that was with a sub munition not a full bore round . A full bore round has been estimated as being capable of producing around 10 teratonnes of tnt upon impact with whatever it's shooting at.
@@John2r1 goddamn
@@genericnameandgamertag7448 Yeah apparently in the book Shaddows of Reach the velocity of the Infinity's Super MACs is 25% of the speed of light. And being roughly twice the diameter of a standard ODP Super MAC means rather than firing the 3,000 ton shells. The Infinity's full bore rounds are like 6,000 tons.
25% of the speed of light is 7,494,811,450 m / s.
If you put that into a impact force calculator you get 19,109,444,954,699.559 Giga Newtons or 4.567266957457 Teratons Of TNT.
If I did my math right using online calculators.
In any case this is the kind of weapon that could kill the population of a planet. And they shoot it at enemy warships
@@John2r1 I knew it was 25 percent the speed of light but damn that seems overkill unles our fighting a cso
@@genericnameandgamertag7448 The CSO Super Carriers were literally what the Infinity was designed to go up against and win.
Odyssey is 650+ meters. creator of SG1 said it.
Od yssey easy all day long.
Odyssey flys in cloaked. Beams over 3 nukes . While clocked. Infinity does not have beam jammers. Destroys infinity. Questions?
First off I would like to point out that I distinctly heard you pronounce the UNSC ship's name two completely different ways with two completely different meanings and totally differently than the published name. At 3 distinct points in time in the beginning, I clearly heard " Affinity" once and "Definity" twice. This continued throughout the narration. The first letter "n" in INFINITY was not verbalized in your narration as it should be thus completely changing the name AND meaning of the name. Please go back to the beginning and carefully listen to it. It's there.
Your calculations on the size of the Odyssey is very wrong. The show runners essentially have Odyssey at 600 plus meters long and 300m wide. So...bigger than a UNSC Frigate.
Where did you find this information?
@@alep2058 the creators of the star gate tv show franchise said that the ship with 650 meter plus . And if you look at the CGI model used by MGM for the ship it puts the BC304s closer to 650 to 700 meters if the ship was smaller the F302 fighters would not fit
you're overestimating the Stridents, they really aren't much of a threat. yes they have shields, but they are noting compared to many of the shielded threats that any of the Daedalus classes have dealt with. Asurans, Ori, both have capital ships that are at minimum 100X more powerfully offensive and defensive, and they are taken out in 4 shots. most likely the Stridents would be one shot and out of the fight instantly. not to mention that standard en-mass kinetic bullets wouldn't do much. only missiles and the weapons of the infinity would potentially be threats. the infinity's spinal super macs would be useless, so that leaves the mac turrets and missiles. honestly, i'd give it to any Daedalus class 7-8/10 times just due to maneuverability, defense, and offense.
I haven't seen this video yet I'm only 20 seconds in I'm really rooting for Stargate here I love Halo but I flipped the coin and the coin said root for Stargate
I agree that the longer the battle goes on the less likely it would be that the odyssey would win. However, the odyssey does have two very big advantages over the infinity which is the vastly superior FTL engines and it’s smaller size which might seem like a disadvantage at first but the combination of the two pretty much negates the infinity’s primary weapon the MACs would be essentially useless against the odyssey.
That said the fight mostly comes down to if the odyssey could do enough damage to disable or destroy the infinity before being overwhelmed by all of its other weapons and armaments which pretty much means the Asgard weapons and shields would be vital to any victories the odyssey would take.
The odyssey is about 650m long, that's the actual tv model size, the canon size. The infinity is about 3.5 km (I dont care what any source says, the visuals say otherwise.) The odyssey has the latest asgard tech including shields and plasma weaponry that would cut the infinity in half. The infinity has covenant level shields, and covenant shields arent as strong as goauld shields as far as I'm concerned. The infinitys mac would not break the shields the way most people think (not to mention that even as a sci fi weapon the way macs are described in halo are utterly ridiculous and would destroy the ship they are fireing from.) And if the odyssey had a zpm it took well over a dozen shots from ori main weapons to drain them. The odyssey would take on forerunner ships no problem, the little we know of them, the infinity doesnt stand a chance here.
@@nihilityjoey it definitely seems like Asgard technology is just on an absurd level of power compared to just about everything except for the stargates themselves.
When I was just thinking about it, just really Asgard technology is absurd (in a great way) like the Asgard core on board the odyssey can create a replicator. A living sentient machine that is the stargate universe’s equivalent to the flood and the Asgard core can be programmed to just go “boop” and construct / beam one into existence and the speed, weapons, and shields of the odyssey especially if powered by a zpm are just crazy (also the odyssey in particular has a cloak that Daniel Jackson made while he was a priar)
@@keeptv1918 They do have. I guess that's what happens though when you have an alliance with not just the ancients but two other highly advanced races, and have had the time to refine the tech and science. I mean don't get me wrong at all, forerunner technology is up there, and I have them just under the asgard in my 5 top advanced species in sci fi. I just think the asgard have the advantage on that front. And the claok is a good point as well, whether it's something that could be replecated on other ships though is another matter since he was a prior when he made the changes. But the odessey as far as I'm concerned is just to much for the infinity. The only thing on it that is comparebale tech is its engine which are forerunner. Everything else is covenant level tech. And I have no doubt that goauld tech is better than covenwnt tach.
It's hard to say who would win, as you said in the video, depends on immensely on what kind of scenario we're dealing with. Asgard shields are immensely powerful, especially if powered with a ZPM, but Infinity has also been shown in other media with no difficulty to tank stuff like an asteroid bigger than itself, or an actual supernova for some seconds. In a simple 1vs1 brawl I would say it would come down to the shields, but we don't know for sure which one has stronger, as both seem to have incredibly strong shields if all material (comics, books etc) is canon.
If neither had shields, Infinity would likely win due to simply being able to lose a lot more armor and mass all the while firing everything it has on the Odyssey, though it definetly would take immense beating to the point of being unsalvageable, the Asgard beam weapons are no joke.
I actually feel like if neither ship had shields the odyssey would win just because of how insanely effective Asgard beaming technology is shown to be. They would just beam a few nukes aboard the infinity or beam the infinity’s crew into outer space. Asgard beams have been the stargate crews press to win or easy button more than a few times
I hate it when people say Nuk-cu-ler
Asgard weaponry and Technology is comparable but not Superior to Forerunner technology
Now I wanna preface that I haven’t watch the video yet. I will after this comment and make a reply to it after I have to see if my opinion has been changed.
My main problem with pitting anything from stargate against anything really is that we simply don’t know how powerful the weapons and shields of stargate ships are. Many like to throw about the 200 megaton claim for ha-tak staff cannons but they are simply not that powerful. Each shot would devastate not just cities but small island and we see countless times Ha-tak’s committing orbital bombardments and it’s pretty obvious they are not even equivalent to the nuke used on nagisaki. Many may also point out the Asgard beams but we no even less about them. Beaming into a ship may be a problem for most UNSC ships, until you realise that this is the mofo infinity. It’s armed with reversed engineered covenant shielding which is itself reversed engineered forerunner shields,(and we know sufficiently advanced shields can prevent beaming or using goauld rings) it’s got forerunner engines and I think a forerunner reactor (don’t quote me on that), it’s got 4 super macs, one being more than capable of tearing a new one into covenant assault carriers (not super carriers tho as far as I’m aware). Covenant battle cruisers can withstand multiple shiva nukes without so much of a care in the world. The only times covenant ships are killed by nukes is either A. The shields were nocked down by MAC fire (which itself can take from 2-40 MAC rounds to actually do so) or B. The nuke was used inside the vessel (as seen in the reach trailer (I think the trailer anyway)).
To finally answer the title. I think the infinity is gonna obliterate the odyssey, we simply don’t know a lot about stargate weapon or shield capabilities. We get told sometimes, but visuals often contradict the statements, and sometimes they don’t even show it in action. Simply put, lack of feats for Odyssey and sg ships in general make me think the infinity stomps.
Alright. Watched it and my opinion remains unchanged. But I would like to say a few things.
1. I think the Odyssey should (and would) use its fighter craft mainly because halo fighters are simply garbage, over sized nightmares of a vessel. I personally think an f-302 will be able to solo however many long swords it takes until they run out of fuel and ammo, that’s just how garbage halo fighters are.
2. I do not see speed playing a factor. Think back to those Mac’s, not only does it have 4 smac’s but many other smaller Mac’s that are in turret form spread across the vessel. The smac’s in particular are placed in all four directions, meaning unless the odyssey gets above or below the infinity it is in extreme danger of being hit by a big f**k off MAC shot, and going under or above leaves it vulnerable to nukes.
The Odyssey can beam nukes inside the Infinity and make short work of it. It's really just a question of who commands the ship during the engagement and if they use that strategy or not.
I don't see why they wouldn't but at the same time in the show they only used that trick in only one episode.
The Odyssey wins, oddly enough. Kind of a cheat though as they only win because of the Asgard tech on the ship.
Mmhh pretty much the same as the infinity, with its covenant and forerunner tech. Let's take away the beam weapons. The odyssey, her rail guns and her shields would still beat the infinity.
@@nihilityjoey It would just take longer.
@@hamiltonrhys9277 yep.
smuggle eggs onto both ships ammunition shipments and xenomorph wins
Then I guess it’s time to bring out the Replicators
Odyssey would win any day of the week. The technologies packed inside just outstrip anything the UNSC has in terms of tactics. AND, because they're built on top of the dangers of Asgard mishaps, AI wouldn't have as much success working out a tactic against them, especially since the people behind them are human, so just as they'd speculate working out a tactic, the human factor would make sure the AI had no way in once they'd gain access to one system.
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I think the Odyssee could definitely defeat the Infinity. Basically, they could just beam a nuke on board and blow it to smithereens. I'd be more interested if their beaming technology could penetrate Forerunner shields. Imagine the poor Odyssee suddenly facing a Forerunner Fortress-class vessel. Pretty sure no amount of Asgard plasma beams are going to make a dent in one of those monsters haha
The Infinity with 5 hours could destroy the Death Star one shot from the Infiniti with the Odyssey Shields down we'll do it
other than the creation of nuclear weapons that's also fill myself out of this size has its own foundries to create more ammo
I disagree on several points. I think the power scale between the universes are almost never fully appreciated. In universe, the shields of the infinity are no joke. The shield is forerunner based, along with the slip space drive, engines and other parts. The benefits that brings can not be overstated. Literally in the opening sequence she's seen barreling through a covenants RCS, which has never been seen in universe before and until then, was a formidable vessel in its own right. Maybe the misunderstanding stems from viewing the covenant and the FORERUNNERS in underestimated fashion. The covenant were very powerful. Humanity's only hope was the skism that fractured the covenant with infighting. I mean, they had multiple vessels at 29km in length. The high charity, with was built over a forerunner dreadnought was 505km by 348 km. The mantles approach, which was a flagship of the didact was 143km by 371km by 138 km. Vessels that long in the stargate universe is probably unfathomable. The hull was made completely out of programmable matter, and powered by "hardlight and energy bonds" They built countless halo rings at 10,000km capable of only targeting organic matter, rendering an entire galaxy void of life. They could prematurely collapse stars to create planets in 10,000 years. Their "slipspace" drives, granted them near instant teleportation in space. They also had things like Dyson spheres, and were able to contain them inside artificial planets and shield worlds.
In my opinion, the forerunners technology is too advanced compared to that of the ancients, or anything else we've seen in stargate. With the infinity incorporating the forerunner and covenant technologies, she really packs a massive punch. She has top of the line series 8 macs, which pierced the shields and hull of the mantles approach.
I'd really like to know what you think though, as I'm not extremely knowledgeable about either universes. I tried to be as unbiased as possible. Cheers mate
Infinity does pack a punch and she really durable in both universe. But both stargate and Halo I would say are technological peers depending on which your referring to such as the Anicents and the Forerunners were technology peers in most categories of they excelled more in different areas such as Forerunners really went shield worlds etc. Ancients focused on the Stargate which was point to pint wormhole which was so easy to use you didn't have to really understand the technology in order to use. Also when the BC 304 by design that shop was designed to fight ships way bigger then itself because the Wraith Hive ships are along the same size as Inifinity with similar cpabilites of course the Inifnity has Shields but any shield can be penetrated or worked around but the BC 304 once you start adding in the Asgard plasma beam weapons they really even out the scales.
Bigger doesn't mean better in war I learned from real life experience that there is more to war then that. That is why Battleships no longer play and key roles in Navy's any more because the metric of war changed and some tactics techniques employed can make a thing like big guns and armor ineffective.
The forerunners while advanced aren't as advanced as the ancients. Not nearly. And the ancients were ahead of them physically as well. It took the forerunners most advanced ship 2 weeks to get to a dwarf galaxy just outside our own. It took atlantis 2 days to get pegasus, which is a dwarf galaxy near andromeda. A huge distance gap there. The ancients just didn't invest their time building huge monuments of rubbish.
@@nihilityjoey ill have to check, but the wiki says the forerunner slipspace drives were so fast it seemed like near instantaneous teleportation. In my opinion, the ancients are not more advanced! while both have incredible feats and similar parallels, the difference is the forerunners feats are more incredible than the ancients.
If I miss some notable feats, feel free to mention them.
The ancients
Constructed drones and ZPMs, stargates, devices allowing for telepathy with someone using the same device in another galaxy, well some unique prototypes
Forerunners made planets, made shield worlds, Dyson spheres, the countless halo rings able to specifically target organic matter, etc. They literally restarted human civilization after the humans were very advanced
What is anything the ancients did on par with that?
@@nihilityjoey the 10km rubbish was moved through slipspace. Slipspace drives isn't like hyperdrives. Its literally a portal to another dimension. Not a wormhole
@@theman21ops I take it you're not familiar with the ancients?
Hyperspace is not wormholes, it's exactly like slip space. You enter another dimension. Atlantis had an experimental wormhole drive that allowed atlantis to reach earth at the speed of a stargate. But all other ships (with the exception of the destiny) uses hyperspace. It's just their technology is better. They also built the destiny, a ship that is crossing the known universe, is automated and survived battles and recharges in the Corona of stars. They had weapons that could bypass shields and cause immense damage - controlled by the mind. They made city ships powered by zpms, which is similar to what the forerunners use, just on a more.........portable form. Their shields especially the atlantis shield was almost impenetrable. They created genetic machines to help those who didnt have the genetic component to ascend. They had been to and settled in multiple galaxies. And physically their evolution was ahead of the forerunners. They had (not all, and some had differing abilities) telekinesis, telepathy etc. One survived millions of years frozen in the ice. They had never met beings with powers that rivaled them in multiple galaxies. The forerunners whilest more advanced technologically and physically, struggled to fight humanity, it took over 1000 years.
As for the forerunners. They had only just learned to manipulate young stars, the aschen in stargate (who are nowhere near the ancients) were turning gas giants into secondary stars in a system. The forerunners built ring worlds??? Humans built a ring world in the film elysium. Sure it may not be 10,000km in diameter, but it was a functioning habitat. And they built dyson spheres? For what? They never even got used. Their biggest feats, was their energy usage and some of their tech. And they seeded life they catalogued and stored. The ancients when they left the milky way set off the Dakara device and all of the gates in the galaxy allowing the device to alter the genetics of certain species to evolve along the lines of themselves. They actually altered and created new lifeforms. The forerunners couldnt get the composer too work, which would have been their immortality. The ancients had no such problems.
The forerunners are closer to the asgard, and even then the asgard
The problem with this is there two things not stated and they are the infinities use of AI for cyber warfare and the odyssey's use of Asgard beaming tech.
Every time there’s a match up like this I see the same dumb comment “just beam over a nuke and it’s all over” if you’ve see the program then you know that’s not how it works. Many times in Stargate SG1 there’s big plot point on how the shields on both craft have to be down to work and even then they have trouble locking on and before someone buts in and mentions about the time in Atlantis the wraith don’t use shields and could still block it. It’s the same problem with ships from Star Trek that no one seems to even notice. Still say Daedalus wins hands down it’s just not as easy or quick.
I know what you mean, it does sound like a cheap way to win, also the Wraith had to get attacked with Beamed Nukes before they made the counter-measure.
The Wraith had Teleportation jammers to block teleportation.
The missiles alone could over whelm the odyssey with 250 Archer muscle pods with 24 missiles and 250 M75 Rapier missiles with 30 per pod you are looking at thousands of missiles on top of the mine Mac's it's not easy to get close without taking hits and you really can't shot missiles at infinity because the ship A.I would shoot them down so it's not any easy call.
you forgot to factor in the infidelitys smart ai
just because you can predict something doesnt mean you can stop it, the asgard are comparable to the forerunners.. their shields and weapons are far better than anything shown in the halo universe, the odyssey could probably one shot a halo ring
@@Zephyr01 a 10 thousand kilometer n diameter artificial ring world that can kill everything in 25 thousand light years around it
SGC plot armor aside, Infinity obliterates the Odyssey, what are you people smoking saying the Odyssey wins?
What plot armour?
Yeah odyssey wins this. Odyssey is FAR too manueverable
The odyssey going up against the unsc infinity hands down i say the infinity wins cause not only would launch fighters but also it can launch 10 strident class heavy frigates which not only have point defense turrets and missile launchers but also have one mac cannon. The infinity has missile launchers, point defense systems,and 4 mac cannons
The shields alone on the odyssey are light years ahead of infinity's. There is nothing the infinity possess that can take the shields down of the BC -304. Take away the beam weapons. The BC - 304 has not just naquadah enhanced nukes, all in the multi gigaton range, they have naquadah enhanced missiles, which would make something like a tomahawk missile many times more deadly. They have Asgard designed rail guns, 32 turrets, each able to fire tank sized rounds above Mach 5.6. She could beam a nuke on to the infinity, job done. But even then. The infinitys shields I would say could take about 240 megatons max, the BC -304s regular non nuclear ordinance and rail guns would take out the infinity, while that ship could take everything the infinity throws at it before doing so.
Using a beamed nuke - instant win. Using beam weapons - takes two shots.
The odyssey has time dilation technology on it. There is no comparison here.
@@nihilityjoey you also have to take in the fact that the infinity not only has tech from captured ships from the war but it also has tech from the forerunners so as far as technology goes they are both equally equipped cause the forerunners were also centuries ahead of even the covenant. Plus the cannons on it are one hit wonders able to shoot their weapons at near the speed of light 12,000 mph
@@nihilityjoey plus for the odyssey to get in close it has to risk getting hit by missiles,point defense guns,among other weapons. Plus it has 200 fighters as well that can also launch nuclear warheads as well. Plus the infinity has shields as well and those shields are powerful enough to allow the infinity to cut through a covenant ship( with its own shields up) and the infinity just kept going. It's not that the odyssey wouldn't be able to put up a fight it's just that the infinity is more than capable of taking it on and winning since it would be able to take on a fleet of covenant ships and win
@@johnbross4219the only systems on the infinity that are forerunner, is its engine module sensor suits and holographic suits for the Spartans training. Its shields are human covenant technology and its weapons are human designed. The infinity isnt drawing power from anything forerunner. Her nukes are nowhere in the range of the bc 304, and the bc 304 even without a zpm has asgard level shields, which are forerunner level or better. Then add in an ancient zpm and there is not much in the halo universe that can stand with it. Even forerunner ships I would say. Their main weapons are gravidic weapons, made to slice ships up using gravity manipulation. Let's take the destiny from stargate, a ship over 40 million years old and can survive the heat, pressure and magnetic forces from being inside a star. Forerunner weapons arent going to be as effective as some people would think. The deadalus can survive for hours being just over 100,000 miles away from a red giant without a zpm.
@@nihilityjoey zpms aside like I have mentioned the Mac cannons alone fire at a rate of 12,000 mph near the speed of light on the infinity and that ship alone has 4 of them let alone all the defensive weaponry. I've seen episodes of Stargate where the oddessy struggled against the wraith. So even with the zpm and Asgard tech it would still be struggling since the infinity has its own fleet of 10 heavy frigates and at least 200 fighters.
2 words MAC rounds. idk fuck stargate
plasma beam's fuck everything in that direction ---> unsc ship's
The BC 304s shields can take way more punishment then what a mac round can dish out
@@stargatetitanx how much are you talking like can you give specific numbers in gigatons of tnt on how much it can take
Trying to get into a long range slugging match with the Infinity which has a smart AI that can do more calculations in a second than the entire crew of the Odyssey can do in weeks would simply get the Odyssey destroyed by the overwhelming firepower of the Infinity. Oh and the Infinity upon entering the system will drop all 10 frigates so it would be an 11 ships vs 1 ship fight. With odds stacked in the UNSC's favor.
Oh and those Asgard weapons are not that great when your ship is 3.9% of the size of the ship your fighting . The Infinity 's primary Super MAC rounds are 27 meters in diameter. Which means the Infinity is firing rounds that are 12 % of the Odyssey size . And are being fired at 12% the speed of light . And according to halo lore even if the shields were to hold the ship would still be vaporized by the release of thermodynamic energy from the Impact . Because the Infinity isn't firing standard ships MACs It's firing the largest Super MACs ever constructed at 12% of the speed of light.
So everything you wrote was wrong.
If you check the infinity schematic in warfleet, you will notice that the Mac cannons are visible in cross section. Infinity Mac's are right at the front of the ship and their rounds are shorter than pelican, and thinner. So they are not 12m in diameter, closer to 4m. And they also don't fire at 12% the speed of light. They fire 4%.
The BC 304 is 685m long, and those Asgard weapons are strong enough to destroy ori motherships, which are 2.5km long. They can destroy wraith hive ships that are 7.3km long. And a wraith hive ship can tank a nuke over a gigaton without shields because of its regenerative hull.
The infinity gets all sorts of messed up in this fight. And that's without a ZPM in the mix. A BC 304 with a ZPM tanked a coronal mass ejection.
@nihilityjoey th-cam.com/video/pngSo_Lt2oM/w-d-xo.html
And read Halo:Shadows of Reach. Because that book is the newer source than Halo Warfleet.
And is the source for the Infinity's velocity. Which I did make a typo as Halo Shaddows of Reach mentions 25% of the speed of light.
So don't throw stones when the newer source material supports the statement.
@@John2r1those people who write the books haven't a clue about ballistics and physics. Even 00 did a video on how ridiculous the INFINITYS Mac's are, because someone who doesn't care for those details just flung out random numbers in a book. Same for the ark. The ark is 200 odd thousand light years from the galactic center of the milky way. Yet Greg bear flung in millions of light years away.
I'm sorry but even according to halo fans, halos Mac's got way out of proportion when that happened.
And to make a point. Halcyon class ships could take multiple Mac rounds from similar sized ships, and still function. You can't do that if Mac's are supery dupery physics disregarding strong. Same for the covenant, a couple of thirty megaton nukes could deshield a crs. And a super carriers shields won't be far off of that. That's 60 megatons. And infinity can one shot a CCS with its shields up, so she's probably packing about 70 megatons per shot of equivalent energy.
That's not scratching the odyssey at all. Not even a tickle. Whilst the odyssey would rip her apart and easily take out the other frigates with her 32 rail guns.
@nihilityjoey Yes. However it's still cannon. Because 343 Industries did a Games Workshop with cannon.
They essentially said everything is cannon unless we say otherwise. Which is how we get the Halo Encyclopedia saying that Super MACs fire at 50% of the speed of light.
And yet other sources saying 4% of the speed of light.
The Infinity firing at 25% of the speed of light is the most recent cannon from the book Halo Shaddows of Reach.
So there is a lot of contradiction. Abd the only in universe explanation that makes any sense is that the power imput level can be increased or decreased which would effect not only the projectiles velocity but also the recharge time thus reload time.
This is also likely the reason most commanders wouldn't use the main guns at full charge unless the target is to difficult for the lower settings to destroy.
You also have to remember the Infinity was designed to win against Supercarriers up to 30km in length and armed to the teeth with heavier weapons than the Odyssey is capable of carrying.
We are talking energy projectors firing a super heated arcane plasma like substance at the speed of light.
A single grain of sand at 99.9% of the speed of light does this th-cam.com/video/lf9OMavhQ0A/w-d-xo.html
No weapon in the Stargate universe comes close to that level of destruction. The Infinity that's to its design and shielding system being powered by engines that Essentially draw power from a neutron star as its primarily sublight engines and the FTL engines using the energy of alternate Universes in the form of vacuum energy. Kind of makes the Infinity an extremely hard nut to Crack.
Obviously it's possible to damage or destroy the ship given the right circumstances. But the Odyssey lacks the firepower, numbers and sheer mass to do the job.
The Banished took advantage of the shields being down to board the ship and used specially designed Dreadnoughts to cripple the Infinity by ramming it from different directions.
@@John2r1the infinity uses 3 deuterium fusion reactors. An upgraded tri reactor used in the autumn class. This is canon. And that power source does not generate anywhere near the energy needed to do what you say AT ALL. You can stick to "this is canon" because you are now in war hammer 40k territory and I don't take that seriously at all. And infinitys ftl engine may draw power from zero point energy, but that doesn't supply power to anything on infinity, other than for the ftl engine.
The BC 304 on the other hand uses naquadah fusion reactors that produce far more energy than any of the traditional fusion reactors you see in halo. They produce way more energy at much lower temperatures than either the unsc or covenant. And are more efficient in their usage. Naquada is the element the stargates are made of which can handle the energy to form a stable wormhole In fact it's very much like the muon catalysed fusion sources the forerunners have, but with naquadah. And the ships can also be equipped with a ZPM a zero point module , which DOES supply extra power to the ships shields and weapons, unlike the forerunner slip space engine on infinity. Ships don't draw power from their engines, they get it from their reactors.
And you can't fire plasma at the speed of light. Just another example of halos extreme penchant for Fantacy.
The infinity is very much outmatched here it's not even funny.