Just because of the size difference alone of the two ships the infinity will keep the range open and use all its long-range weaponry first. Common tactical sense
Meanwhile having its 10 internal ship's drop out a d harass the Executor. Along with it's crap ton of fighters and bombers. Because distracting the enemy with smaller faster ships and craft while charging its 4 x 27 meter bore Super MACs is common sense tactics.
Lets not forget the empies "view" a single small ship, charge it down, don't even bother launching fighters. Halo captains though have shown to "like to keep" their range when possible, the captain would likely launch the fleet and test the enemy, firing long range shots with the MAC's not wanting to close in at first. Alternatly they may opt to keep the ships compliment hidden. Launch "recon ships" to keep site and keep feeding the infinity tactical data, while putting a large object, moon, planet, asteroids between them and the star destroyer. Once out of sight, the infinity would they launch its escort ships. who would stay hidden as the infinity "pretended" to make a run for it. Keeping the star destroyers attention on the infinity who would alternaly fire missiles, and mac guns... they would "pull" the star destroyer so its rear was facing the 2nd fleet, who would then move into position and open up with a coordinated mac barage against the star destroyers rear. and those SSD's had big rears... Concentrating shields and firepower forward, the chance become very high that one if not several mac shots would penetrate the aft shields doing serious if not crippling damage to the SSD.
A matchup between the Andromeda Ascendant & the Executor SSD would be interesting, the slipstream strike fighters, unmanned fighters, their onboard weaponry, and possibly the Romi AI, if so desired to disable the Executor before the dozens of wings of TIE fighters swarm the point-defense guns on the Andromeda Ascendant, and then coming into range of the SSD turbolasers & other gun batteries of the Super Star dreadnaught; the Ascendant fully manned & armed for combat like it was at the start of the Andromeda tv series, episode 1 at the start of the engagement.
The issue with the SSD is that is just has more of the same weapons. We see time and time again that Turbolasers are really meant to be used in closer ranged engagements against other ships. Which doesn't make allot of sense since the SSD is so huge it's main weakness would be close range engagements since only a portion of it's weapons would be able to fire back. The fact is that the Infinity is a better ship in every other way, better weapon placements, more variety of weapons and carying a fleet instead of just fighters and bombers. The Infinity would make a short work of all the Tie Fighters that the SSD carries. It also has better fighters and bombers so they can make short work of the SSD. The SSD just like many other ships in the Empire follow the Tarkin doctrine, it's just big for the purpose of imposing a sense of dread, but against a prepared enemy Imperial ships are just glorified bricks.
Sure because human in plastoid armor that can't take projectile weapons like the Ewoks bows. Vs walking tanks capable of literally wipe out entire armies carrying heavy weapons that could tank the Stormtroopers blasters. while firing micro missiles , anti matter weapons from the Forerunners that they have used and well the Storm troopers get wiped out. Oh and there is the tiny fact that the Infinity's super MACs fire rounds the size of Imperial II Star Destroyers at up to 50% the speed of light or 149,896,229 m/s with a maximum rage of however far the ship is thanks to Newtons laws of motion and space being a vacuum. Or an effective range of however far it's Forerunner enhanced sensors are capable of picking up an enemy ship. The reality is that laser weapons have a limited range due to the laws of thermal dynamics . A projectile based weapon doesn't have the same limitations. Second the UNSC uses smart AI to calculate targeting data and fire the weapons via autoloaders . Star Wars doesn't have any AI assisted targeting their doing it by eye and by sensor read outs and human error does occur. The fact that the Infinity has fighters with shielding capable of carrying 30 megaton nukes, Interceptors capable of carrying 200 megaton nukes and bombers capable of carrying almost every nuclear weapons like a B-2 Bomber on steroids . Plus the addition 10 ships means this isn't a 1v1 fight in the first place its a 1 vs 11 fight. Thus the crew of the Executor have to deal with 11 enemy ships, thousands of fighters and bombers and hope they can take out all of them while they are the only target. The Infinity was designed to go toe to toe with CSO clas Super Carriers the largest of which are 30km in length and far more heavily armed than the Executor. Considering the primary weapon used by the Covenant is the Energy projector a plasma weapon that fires super heated plasma at the speed of light. and they have multiple of them. So chances are the Infinity fleet cripples the Executor and perhaps are nice enough to save survivors. Not a guarantee given their history.
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 Did you miss the s at the end of Tanks ? The Infinity houses hundreds to thousands of Spartans at a time. Chief isn't the only walking tank on the ship. And each Spartan = entire enemy army dead. Then on top of that the Armory includes Forerunner weapons and technologies. So Vader would just get hit by an incineration cannon and die while the Storm Troopers who are Human shit themselves in fear of the unstoppable war machines shooting them with pin point precision.
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 X-wings make it through those easily because they are manually aimed and fired. The F-41 Broadswords are the UNSC version of a F-22. Only shielded and directly connected to the pilots brain via neural link. Also packs 30 megaton nuclear missiles. So only has to get in missile range and boom 30 megaton explosions rock the ship. Note that Star Wars shields apparently don't stop fighters flying through them. Unlike energy shielding in Halo which do block incoming fighters . Oh and it's also worth noting that the UNSC has Teleportation technology. So a few fireteams of Spartans use teleport appear on the bridge of the ship and kill everyone thus taking the ship. Yeah there isn't an outcome in which this one Executor class Star Destroyer does anything but lose to the Infinity and her fleet. 1 Executor Super Star Destroyer Vs 1 Infinity Super Carriet plus 10 heavy frigates is not in the slightest bit fair to the Executor .
MAC guns don't have the range? Its literally a slug of superheated metal slung at ludicrous speeds. It HAS no maximum range! All they do is do the math of "where will target be in X amount of time" and fire! It could, in theory, fire from one side of the solar system to another, if the target is stationary or moving in a predictable pattern. Hell, give it a few thousand years, they could fire from one solar system INTO ANOTHER SOLAR SYSTEM! So yea, you need to rethink that particular weapon system.....
The problem most people have with understanding MAC guns is that the projectiles are moving at a significant portions of the speed of light. At planetary distances which I think is the limit of a star destroyer's range the light from the Mac gun firing will reach the target just tiny fractions of a moment before the round does. Star destroyers are to big to "randomwalk" so their path is predictable. It's only at intrasteller distances that you may be able to see the MAC gun firing with enough time to react. The Executor loses nearly everytime versus a cautious UNSC captain. It's too big to evade and MAC cannons hit too hard, way too hard.
Yeah people also forget just how much Kinetic energy is along for the ride with those projectiles I would not be surprised to see the MAC 'shells' punching right through the other ship.
Yup. Plus the info I found is the 4 main MACs on UNS Infinity are Series 8 and considered Super MACs and at full power their projectiles travels at 12,000 Km per second. I don't see any Star Destroyer getting out of the way and the question is what is the range of Star Destroyer heavy weapons, because one thing's for sure and that is if a Super MAC hits it's gonna do a LOT more damage than a the heaviest turbo laser.
@@justasimpleguy7211 I think the only times we've seen Star Wars ships firing outside of visual range, on screen or in the books, is when their engaging stationary planet-side targets. Pretty much all of their guns are manually aimed by people at each individual gun.
@@justasimpleguy7211 The newer books place the Series 8 super MACs at 12% of the speed of light or 35,975.095 Km/s . And it's a 27 meter bore gun . In other words that's going to leave a very big hole. And lets not forget what actually took down the ship was a pilot going kamakazi into the exposed bridge of the SSD .
If you remember, even the infinites MAC's couldn't punch through the Mantle's Approach without the shield going down first, in order for any affect to be dealt to the SSD, the shields would have to be down or at least pummeled, also the ISD is absolutely massive and the broadsides are covered with turbolaser emplacements. The SSD suffers against small hit and run rebel-like strategies, but it absolutely decimates in ship to ship warfare. And even with the Mac, regular autocannons on the Infinity do not have the power or range to compete with a turbolaser battery. Not to mention the absolute unit size of TIE's the SSD docks.. the UNSC does have space capable vessels made for space combat, but they are very expensive and absolutely nowhere near as plentiful or replaceable as a TIE fighter
@@UtopianBroadcast1 yes, many just couldn`t bear that muppet show, frankly I didn`t like it as well but chose to ignore it and enjoy the rest. If all muppets would be repalced with CGI, that would be epic
@@skepticalmagos_101 A guy strong enough in the force to shred a parts ships bigger then himself and snaps neck without even touching you yeah Chief and the Spartans are not wining this like at all.
Besides, we see the Executor being downed by a single ageing crashing into the bridge. SD's have HORRIBLE shield generator placement, which we are shown over and over again being knocked out by single seat starfighters. The Infinity not only has interior stored and generated Forerunner shielding, it was strong enough to literally smash THROUGH a Covenant super carrier with out so much as slowing down, much less inconveniencing the crew or causing damage. And that wss while half the ship was still in their version of hyperspace! Star Wars ships can't even exit hyperspace with their shields up, as we see regularly in the lore. CLEARLY the Infinity is stronger.
yes yes how no. Except we have sources that say how heavy turbo laser batteries are able to dish out several hundred gigatons of damage per shot, and I remind you that a fight between two executors lasts like hours before one is destroyed, imagine what kind of resistance such a shield must have the mac cannon would not even scratch it, for the executor it would be enough for him to concentrate the shield on the front and load at maximum speed the enemy ship once in range since an executor has like 2000 heavy turbolasers, the infinity would literally be vaporized after 10 mnts of intense execurape. oh and don't forget that these star wars ships also have armor like a kilometer thick. so I don't think the missiles of infinity are of any use.
In Return of the Jedi, admiral Ackbar said to focus fire on the SSD, meaning the SSD is already heavily damaged by the time the A-Wing crashed on the command bridge. You can also see one of SSD's ion engine already in flames while it's going down.
In fairness, the ship it smashed through was old and in disrepair as the Covenant Remnant was using the scraps of its former fleet. We also saw The Infinity be downed by three, smaller frigates crashing into it in Infinite, so that opening scene in Halo 4 was obviously some sort of mitigating circumstance.
@@stryletzAnd plus as stated by Halsey herself the only thing on the Infinity that is forerunner are the engines the rest are either human or covenant based.
To me at least it seems like an ori mothership would smoke most other sci-fi faction ships I can think of based only off of their primary weapon and shields which are basically shown to be stupidly effective against everything short of Asgard plasma beams and which even then they can tank at least two shots from and the Asgard plasma beams used by odyssey and other bc304 ships are shown to cut through everything that isn’t ori shields like a hot knife through butter
One thing about the Executor is that it does have a withering amount of firepower. That said with proper tactics the full brunt of it can be mitigated. On the Infinity's side are those MAC canons. Now the question is what's the battle for? Is it just straight up face off or an interdiction raid. If it's the latter then the Frigates and pelicans are going to be invaluable. While the Infinity is duking it out with the SSD, the frigates would get close and get the pelicans into the SSD then join the Infinity in the battle. As was mentioned the Storm Troopers wouldn't be a match for the Spartans. Heck even the ODST's would mop them up. So long as Vader isn't there this shouldn't be as problematic as it first looks. With him, well pray John 117 is there with a Type 1 Energy Sword.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 the problem was in return of the Jedi when one A wing I believe destroyed the Shields & did a kamikaze run into the ship that brought the whole thing down problem is there's no gravity in space 🤨
Lol. That was the scene I was think of. Also there was that other scene in the last jedi, when the bombers were dropping bombs in space 😂, but I know a few fans dont consider the last three films cannon.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 I went with my dad to see the last Jedi there and then that's when Star wars ended for me, princess Leia doing her Mary Poppins impression in space 🙄 or was it Superman 🤨
You have to remember that the executor has over 5,000 tie fighters and bombers and interceptors in it (most of the time) and so many other aircraft while the infinity has not even a number close to that. You also have to remember that Darth Vader would be the executors captain.
@@luka2625 One tactic that the unsc used against the covenant was to create mine fields with nukes, take in count that all the personal in the infinity Is about 14,000 if I recall correctly and the supermac canons are capable of taking out shield easily from long distance
@@luka2625 if the MAC Cannon is fired at is max distance of engagement. It would take the tie fighters a long time to make it to the UNSC before the ship was destroyed and even if Vader was the captain even he sometimes made mistakes
The Executor SSD has the disadvantage of the massive weak point of behind itself, the engines having potentially being wide open to being destroyed, by the MAC guns, also if the MAC guns can disable/destroy the shield generator bulbs at the top of its command tower, but while the destruction of the engines is just extremely obvious, the knowledge of the shield generators might not be known, unless the UNSC had an inside man/person, infiltrating the SSD, and looking up info on the SSD for an encrypted transmission over to the UNSC carrier ship with the data. If the UNSC had time to prepare in advance for a strike, to plan for an infiltration person, then doing an exfiltration strike team to get their inside person out, along with the data, it might be able to be done.. Anyone else's thoughts on the strategy? Good, dumb, too much... ROTJ, as the Rebellion did against the 2nd Death Star?
No bc the target system and Also when the trubolaser hit it will be 1.601338megatons of TNT which is kinda a plasma nuke every shot edit: plus the executor 5000 turbolasers
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 yeah but what do you want to hit with these turbolasers, when the infinity has a range of 100.000km up to 1.000.000km while turbolasers only have a range of about 1200km
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 but even against the Eclipse the infinity is a very fast moving ship and can perform an in-system jump to avoid the superlaser. And the range of the eclipse laser is most likely not higher than 200.000km (in my thoughts because the Death Star has a optimal range of 2.000.000km and a working range of 420.000.000km (source wookieepedia) and the Eclipse has a working range of 31.375.000km (source random guy in a random forum i've found but in my opinion its a "realistic" number if you consider that the superlaser of the eclipse is a lot weaker than the DS) so its working range is about a tenth of the DS's. If its around the same with the optimal range (to be sure it cracks a whole Capital Ship) than it would be around 200.000km range, and other firepower less then the Executor. So the Infinity will definitly have a chance, tho it might not be the best
If the solar system from expanse would be able to gather all of their forces, counting defens platforms and other standard nukes, they could overwellm Supercarier with firepower of their nuclear weponary. But if they were dispers like we see in the TV series, they would be destroyed 1 by 1.
@@Connor.SG-1RingTheir ships use weapons very similar to those of the UNSC ships, and they have huge amounts of ships. If I am not mistaken, before the war, the MCRN had 300-400 ships, and UNN 5 times as many, that is 1600-2000 ships, plus several hundred OPA ships. Together, they should have 2,500-3,000 ships. Let me remind you that I also count all nukes and defense platforms. And in the Expanse books, the UN to stop Eros, launched 3,573 nuclear missiles(interplanetary missiles only). Overall, just too many nuclear weapons for even the CSS Supercarrier to survive firepower from the unified Sol System from the Expanse. Changed my mind.
I remember an old sic-fic series called "Once upon a time ... Space". And my question is whether the UNSC could have won the Battle for Earth if instead of the UNSC's Defense Platforms, where Defense Platforms form episode 17(they talk about it in 22 minutes) form that series. I personally think that Covenant would still win in 9/10 fights, because of the enormous weakness of this weapon, and Covenant FTL technology.
@@nobleman9393 Yes, but they need solar ring for energy. So if the solar ring was damaged enough, this platform would be ussles. Of course, first wave would be destroyed easly, but the second was comprised of over 900 ships, while platforms was 300. Additionaly, they were disperst around the planet, so at once can fire at best 150. They could destroy like 50% or even 70% of Covenant fleet, but the rest would still destroy solar ring and the defense fleet. The numerical adwantage was just to big. If the defense fleet was replaced with fleet that we see in last episode of "Once upon a time ... Space", that Omega was able to gather, the they could easly win just beacuse this fleet is bigger and more advanced then UNSC Home Fleet.
@@konradoziom2225 yes, but the ring was enormous, it would take days to destroy it and the Covenant fleet would be under constant bombardment from the Defense satelites, that can one shot any warship.
Star wars deflector shields dont stop physical objects like missiles or fighters from getting thru and their aa fire is notoriously crap. A nuke or two would end it and i highly doubt they could intercept or should them down. The mac gun too, would slice clean through it. 4 shots would cause extreme damage, most likely disableing it entirely. And All from well beyond threat range, so much so that the star destroyer will likely not even raise its shield at all. The star destroyers armor is not near at level of infinity either so that wouldnt even be a factor in its defense.
A ship designed to withstand concentrated turbolaser fire would withstand nuclear blasts, the yields of a turbolaser battery is not far off from nuclear weapons - part of why nuclear weapons aren't common in Star Wars.
infinitys macs punched through a forerunner vessel 'the mantles approach' shielding and hull' forerunner vessels are comprised of hard light and matter the materials used make a star destroyer and infinity appear like tin foil. the mantles approach was 142.7km long 138.6km wide and 371.4km high......absurd specs. face it the infinty with the right captain will wreck the executor....but i still love the ssd lol
Do people forget that not only does the infinity have the small fighters but they also can launch up to 10 heavy frigates with each frigate having at least one mac cannon each so there would be up to 14 mac cannons firing constantly
And each Star Destroyer have az least 60 turbolaser... The power of a turbolaser is 200 gigaton so literally mini nukes... A SSD have 250 regular Turbo laser battery and 250 heavy turbo laser battery which is 2 times stronger than a regular... Good luck killing that
@@kristof.demeter it can have that but they need to be able to hit what they see and the infinity and the frigates have range on any star destroyer because of the Mac cannon and the infinity has 4 Mac cannons which one would have the power to take out the shields and so the second one would take out the star destroyer
@@kristof.demeter the infinity has the nessessary defenses to hold the fighters off not only that but the infinity has more powerful shielding due to the forerunner technology
I don't think you're giving the MAC guns enough credit. The Series-8 MACs on the Infinity scale to the UNSC's Orbital Defense Platforms, and if I remember right were actually a little bit stronger. And we know for a fact those hit well into the multi-gigaton range on weapon yields. Not because of some off handed claim from a resource book that most people readily ignore but because we know the tonnage of the round being used and we know the velocity that it's fired at - fandom's done the calculations. The impact from just ONE of these rounds is enough to redraw maps across dozens if not hundreds of miles when fired at ground targets from orbit, and we've seen the realistic consequences of such in the setting. When it comes to things like this Halo tended to take a surprisingly realistic approach to a lot of the math so we know exactly the kind of force behind every one of these shots. If we're being generous I could see the Executor tanking a handful of these, sure, but the Infinity has four of these guns able to fire every few seconds in addition to more conventional nuclear armaments. Up close, yeah. Infinity gets shredded. But if made to fire from a distance and if they're able to utilize tactical slipspace jumps to keep their distance? The Executor would never get close enough to do more than pepper the Infinity's shields while it's getting absolutely hammered by MAC rounds.
Executors all possess hundreds of ASM launchers which will presumably outrange MAC guns by a wide margin - while railguns can theoretically hit anything at any distance, precision rapidly drops off with distance as the warhead cannot change trajectory - with a better hit rate. It also has a much larger fighter complement which can outlast the ship itself if destroyed by a MAC. The simple difference in displacement between the two is massive and that is a major deciding factor in a naval engagement assuming all other tech is similar in capability (which is applicable here).
So no SSD go alone there are at least 4 Imperial class Star Destroyer along with it and Thousands of different Tie variants in the hangars and surrounded by many other ships... The SSDs are practically Stars Wars's Aircraft carrier...
i think fighters are actually pretty important. as its more than established that ssds have realy bad point defeces in the lore and even the thousand fighters it has woudnt make up for the fact that the infinity has a whole fleet of picket ships and actually a realy competent fighter and munitions defence system just as they are realy prevelent in the universe. wich would allow them to take out fighters quickly to give their own fighters openings to attack the ssd and also land pelicans with strike units to plant bombs. and as tifighters only have line of sight weapons the normal ties would be shredded by guided missiles. and only bombers and some more advanced variants have guided munitions. though even those have rather limited ranges. so i this fight its just the ssd is at to much of a disadvantage as it is fighting a capitalship with a full escort fleet allowing the infinity much more flexibility of even attacking from multiple angles. and ssds are also known for having weak defences on their backside meaning flanking manuvers can have devastating effects. not to mention that all the frigates have macs and missile pods aswell. and a mac might not be overly accurate at ultra long ranges but with unsc ais calculationg shots against such a massive target they should still be able to fire for effect.
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 MAC's are normally fired from at least 100,000 kilometers in space. They forgot a few zeroes. It's a kinetic weapon so it technically doesn't have a set maximum range. Just do the math, point and shoot. Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space.
Bro, the laws of physics give the Mac gun infinite range. The ssd is a slow moving behemoth. The infinity would not close within the SSD and trade broadsides like typical star wars. Infinity also carries nukes.
honestly it could go either way imo, if the ssd shot off a round of turbos, i doubt the infinity could take it, but if the infinity got missiles through and destroyed the shield bulbs, MAC rounds would make short work of the bridge, crippling the ssd
The Executor have 2 bridge one in the tower and one in the middle of the hull also a turbolaser shot is 300 megatonn which easely go trough the Infinity... And it has 250 of them also 250 Heavy turbo laser which is 2 times stronger and 6000 ion cannon which disable the UNSC
So a small presentation about the SSD: The Super-class was described as 8,000 meters long, armed with 250 turbolaser (200 megatonn each shot) batteries, 250 heavy turbolaser batteries (500 megatonn) , 250 ion cannons, 250 concussion missile tubes, and 40 tractor beam projectors. It would carry twelve TIE squadrons (including two TIE Interceptor squadrons) and more than fifty other small craft. It would have been crewed by 280,734.
Size isn't everything. Star Wars guns have a tendency to engage at visual range, and in the books have a maximum range of 1200 kilometers, unless it's a planet-side base. Halo Captains tend to hang back and pound into the enemy from at least 100,000 kilometers, and the MAC Rounds are moving at several degrees .c. They also tend to launch missile barrages that would make Robotech proud. Executor would be a very expensive pile of scrap long before Infinity reached Turbolaser range.
Infinity wins..... 1. MACs are extremely longe range... and with a coordinated salvo of Missles and nukes could breach the deflectors of ghe SSD. 2. SSD's turbolasers will take time to chip through the hull and armor of the infinity while a Mac round can core through the SSD taking out more internal systems. 3.Spartan teams on a Prowler can get close enough to infiltrste and place Havok nukes indide the SSD. Summery: will give a 70-60% win chance to the UNSC.
Turbolaser are nukes there 1.601338megatons per shot and they got 5000 and good luck getting Spartans on board Vaders ship and all the stormtroopers at least millions good luck I don’t think that’s gonna be a win
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 they can put the havock nukes as minefields near the cruiser, that's one tactic that the unsc used against the covenant (btw prowlers have active camo)
since star wars is many millenia more advanced in technology, i think a few turbolaser shots would turn any halo ship except forerunners to dust. also people that say that star wars lasers have a distance of 100km max i say to them that if you sneeze in space you get to travel many au. so propably any shot in space has firing range until something stops it. And lets be real, since they have managed higher than light speeds, the can easily throw a single spacecraft at speed of light at any planet and evaporate it.
@@leonvoelker7639 only if they suicided. since the only weapon capable would be the halo array. but in conventional warfare they wouldnt stand a chance.
@@ΠαζαρακιαΣιτιthe Forerunners had weapons that used Gravity and hardlight. They had better, stronger and lager ships and more of them. Their battleship, the Fortress class was 50 jilometers long and 10 at their widest. It was covered in weapons and landing bays. It alone could carry millions of attack and picket ships. And these weren't rare. There were many fleets made up of dozens of them. One hleet was had 75, which were by escorted by hundreds of thousands of smaller ships. They had larger Singular ships but the Fortress class was the largest mass produced Forerunner ship. They had thousands of these massive vessels and even built them twice as long during the war. Or the backbone of their navy was the Sojourner Class Dreadnought. Over 9,3 kilometers in height and arround 10 billion metric tons in weight. Stuffed completely full of gravity and light weaponry. Their Main weapons was a capital ship grade torsion driver. An unstoppable beam of gravity, which would rip through any Star Wars ships without a problem. The shields wouldn't Stop them, as shields only Stop either energy weapons such as Plasma, which Star Wars blasters are (energy shields) or physical objects (particle shields) and the torsion driver is neither. Think of the tractor beam of the Starhawk but way way stronger and a literal beam of gravity. As secondary weapons it has two sets of weapons. Firstly 28 converging beam cannons, which fire homing beams of anti Matter in forms of tendrils. They would devastate any armor and shielding. The other secondary weapons are a set of 300 light mass fusillade cannons. In addition it had a compliment of 200 scutarii, 5000 venatores and war sphinxes and millions of hunter-killers or despair-class. fighter. This wasn't some super ship. This was their main warship, of which they had tens if not hundreds of thousands.
@@kristof.demeter the Forerunners l casually destroyed stars and star systems during the flood war. Not With super weapons but with their regular capital ships.
I think the infinity wins if it uses the HAVOC, and besides, they could use the slipspace to maneuver in battle since it is definetly faster an more precise than the hyperspace
This is the problem with lore on the star wars side, one comic had 3 star destroyers exiting hyperspace and hitting an executor class cruiser and its shields survived. If you do count this as lore, then how is a nuke or going to change anything?
@@Ascelot Unless they have had destroyed it from the inside, I wouldn’t consider that as canon. I haven’t read the comic, but if what is a faster-than-speed crash does not turn off the shield, how the fuck are some mini cannons gonna do it?
@@pedromartinez4586 once upon a time, lore stated that the entire rebel fleet at endor or the entire Hapes fleet + new republic fleet at dathomir, or even another executor were needed to focus fire to drop the shields and destroy an executor. They did so using ion cannons, thousands of them, since the fleet at endor was much larger than what we see in the movie (but you would eneter EU novels vs movies lore, wich already arw two separate canons), there were over 50 confirmed hapan battle dragons at Dathomir (already making it 200 ion cannons total plus 120 triple ion cannons) plus an unspecified number of republic warships AND an SSD was listed to have over 2.000 of those or 500 depending on book. Yeah its a mess to keep track off
Actually I don't think long range missiles will even hit the SSD, simply because if the Infinity stays out of range of the SSD's armaments, they can focus on eliminating the missiles
Star Wars guns usually keep to visual range, and Halo ship to ship missiles can go up to several fractions of .c at max range. They won't have time to react.
My problem with this sort of videos is simply the fact that star wars has incredibly nonsensical lore when it comes to weapons, depending on what canon you go off of, you get a different lore. Movies and disney canon make turbolasers stupid weak, then again they show them having tens of thousands of km of range on multiple occasions. Legends makes them sound powerful when you bombard a planet, putting them at high gigatons, but gives them stupid short range despite several books contradicting them (mentioning orbital bombardment). Neither canon explains the strenghts of the materials that makes the ship hulls beyond "Durasteel isn't as tough as Titanium, but its better at blocking blasters and derivatives", wich doesn't tell much. I still cheer for the SSD, since it can just probably bombard the infinity with its 2.000 turbolasers and 2.000 ion cannons plus sending tie models at it in the hundreds, and tie, despite what is shown today, were powerful.
If it was a close broadside, the Executor might win, as the Mini MACs on the sides might not be enough to keep up with the Turbo Lasers. However, the Infinity could probably take a beating enough to launch the 10 Frigates, which have better MACs than the side Mini MACs and other point defense weapons. That's 10 decent MACs against one large target, I honestly doubt the Executor could survive that. The UNSC is used to fighting larger and more powerful shielded enemies though, Covenant ships shields and tech would be - at least to the UNSC - similar to the Empires. Typically they'd use "wolf pack" tactics to take down larger and better shielded targets before pulling back cause they generally couldn't survive the Covenant returning fire, if they lived to return the fire. My guess is that the UNSC wouldn't let itself get into that close of a range for the Executor to pound on it. If they were transported both in the middle of nowhere say, at any range that isn't right up in the others face, I honestly doubt the Executors shields and hull would stand up to a MAC volley. This again, is from MACs that are more powerful than those in Orbital Defense Platforms, which those alone could take down Covenant Capital Ships, and having 4 of them firing super dense rounds at absolutely ridiculous speeds, I highly doubt many things could stop it. Not to mention again, they would likely deploy the 10 Frigates, giving them an extra 10 MACs to light up the Executor before most of the Executors weapons get in range.
The old republic area super weapons were much powerful like one that could lunch a torpedo into the solar system sun and it would destroy the solar system and it was pretty much impossible to destroy from what it was built out of I guess
And this shows how you dont know nothing about Star Wars ships... The SSD's armor is stupidly thick and also the shield... These are not regular Star Destroyers these literally have the best defense systems in the whole Star Wars
Ya Spartans would be pretty bad ăśš boarding party until they come across the owner of the SSD Lord Vader He'd single handedly take the entire force out.
@@thegroovygamer1604 Doesn't matter all Vader has to do is crush his windpipe with force and that it plus light saber are plasma based weapons anyway so Vader light saber would just go right through Chief armor.
The numbers of fighters it can carry is extremely low for a ship it's size and would likely vary by the mission just like every other navy carrier in history has done. Realistically the UNSC Infinity would carry a thousands of fighters, transports , etc. The Infinity has 275 Cat-1 primary bays, 140 Cat-2 secondary bays, 108 Cat-3 matériel deployment bays, and ten Cat-8 sub-vessel deployment bays. That means it should legitimately be capable of launching more fighters than the 150 listed on the wiki's . Also you failed to mention the unknown number of Longsword fighter/bomber/interceptors and FSS-1000 Saber fighters on the ship. So yeah it has a lot more fighters onboard than just the 150 you mentioned . The SSD got taken out by a fighter crashing into the command deck. The F-41 Broadswords and the FSS-1000 are both shielded. Oh and you might want to go back to physics class because the Super MAC's are projectile based . And SIr Issac Newton disagrees with you at least according to his laws of physics. Specifically the laws of motion. The First law of motion is that An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. In Space which is a Vacuum devoid of things like gravity and drag or air resistance on the projectile fired the Super MACs actually have unlimited range. Because there is nothing to act on the projectile. Meaning the 6000 ton 27 meter diameter projectiles fired by the Infinity's Series 8 Super MACs at 12% of the speed of light will impart the same force on the SSD at point blank range as it will at 100,000km away. Giving the projectile infinite range . Basically you need to go back to high school level science class. Oh and the limiting factor of the Turbolaser Cannons which don't fire lasers but plasma. The range limit is due to thermal booming or well heat being absorbed into space . Projectile weapons don't have this problem.
The SSD was destroyed by a variety of things affecting it. This has been readily explained in SW lore. The fighter was just the only thing put _on screen_ that sealed the deal on its destruction, but it was getting hammered by the Rebel fleet for some time before. Infinity, at best, carries a few hundred fighters. No idea where you're getting the "thousands" from. Realistically, per its own fucking lore, it carries no more than ~700 aerial vehicles, nearly half of which are drop pods and not combat aircraft. Saying "well they WOULD give it more!!" is ridiculous because it's assuming each ship has its standard complement. The Executor COULD also carry thousands more fighters, because it has enough deployment bays for entire army battlegroups, but it doesn't, because we're assuming its standard complement is on board. Railguns lose accuracy exponentially the further the target is. Being unable to change trajectory makes even slight evasive maneuvers extremely effective at dodging such projectiles. At a certain distance, a change of a few hundred meters could be enough to throw off the round entirely. Missiles would be infinitely preferable to railguns for long range combat and this has been readily accepted in real life naval combat and in much more physically grounded depictions of sci-fi combat.
Star Wars shilds dont stop progetils ore ceneric this is why the rebels used booming runs ore ramming action so the infinity has a clear advandige in my eys
@@evanboll4651I wouldn't if we're going off of Legends. The Honor isn't going to hurt the Executor by ramming it, it's shields will laugh at everything perhaps the Nova Cannons, torpedoes are going to get intercepted by TIEs or PD lasers, and macroguns might actually kill the whole ship(because the bridge crew are pissing themselves laughing about how stupid they are).
I would be careful about making blanket statements like that War seldom is a sure even if you on paper you have every advantage you can still lose. War from my experience and from my studies has always come down to particulars right time right location and right decision making stuff that can't always be quantified.
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 well big ships always want to engage at large standoff distances because the bigger the gun the longer range you got to be in order to use it. One big reason is targeting systems and also weapons systems because minimum safe engagement distances. Any large caliber weapons systems you want distance otherwise your going to get caught up in your back blast. That why artillery have fuses so they are armed after a certain amount of seconds after leaving the tube. Missiles same thing. When you close with enemy capital ships you take out about 60% of their combat effectiveness.
@@808INFantry11X I mean they have get pretty far and most likely they wouldn’t know the range of this thing so travel close to 1200km away from the supers Star destroy without get a single hit
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 the one thing that star wars is inconsistent in is the estimate range on Wikipedia compared to what is actually one screen star wars they seem to close way within 1000 clicks from the target. They tend to use really obsolete tactics such as broadside which is old Battleship tactics that just really don't jibe with modern tracking tech most battlefields happen over the horizon means you never see the OPFOR at all.
Both are hellishly slow, both are huge targets that even visual targeting can lock onto and that is good because their weapon's ranges are also visual. While the SSD has shields, they do not seem to have done them in any good in any film and while the Infinity ahs no shields it has impressive armor, which may matter. For once we see an opponent on nearly the same tech level as Star Wars that has a 50/50 chance of winning. If I had to guess though, the Infinity pulls out the win just because has faced enemies with actually powerful beam weapons and not uber laser beams.
@@cadengrace5466 yes it is..and infinity can chain that..and without even slipspace...infinity can move pretty fast....and can ram any super carrier on its way..
Just because of the size difference alone of the two ships the infinity will keep the range open and use all its long-range weaponry first. Common tactical sense
Meanwhile having its 10 internal ship's drop out a d harass the Executor. Along with it's crap ton of fighters and bombers. Because distracting the enemy with smaller faster ships and craft while charging its 4 x 27 meter bore Super MACs is common sense tactics.
The executor can easily close the distance with its sublight engines
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 true but the infinity is more fasterer😉
@@shawnbeckmann1847 definitely not
@@shawnbeckmann1847 a class1 hyper drive is much faster then slip space
Lets not forget the empies "view" a single small ship, charge it down, don't even bother launching fighters. Halo captains though have shown to "like to keep" their range when possible, the captain would likely launch the fleet and test the enemy, firing long range shots with the MAC's not wanting to close in at first. Alternatly they may opt to keep the ships compliment hidden. Launch "recon ships" to keep site and keep feeding the infinity tactical data, while putting a large object, moon, planet, asteroids between them and the star destroyer. Once out of sight, the infinity would they launch its escort ships. who would stay hidden as the infinity "pretended" to make a run for it.
Keeping the star destroyers attention on the infinity who would alternaly fire missiles, and mac guns... they would "pull" the star destroyer so its rear was facing the 2nd fleet, who would then move into position and open up with a coordinated mac barage against the star destroyers rear.
and those SSD's had big rears... Concentrating shields and firepower forward, the chance become very high that one if not several mac shots would penetrate the aft shields doing serious if not crippling damage to the SSD.
A matchup between the Andromeda Ascendant & the Executor SSD would be interesting, the slipstream strike fighters, unmanned fighters, their onboard weaponry, and possibly the Romi AI, if so desired to disable the Executor before the dozens of wings of TIE fighters swarm the point-defense guns on the Andromeda Ascendant, and then coming into range of the SSD turbolasers & other gun batteries of the Super Star dreadnaught; the Ascendant fully manned & armed for combat like it was at the start of the Andromeda tv series, episode 1 at the start of the engagement.
Star Wars ships tend to stick to visual range. The Andromeda measures combat range in Light Minutes.
The issue with the SSD is that is just has more of the same weapons. We see time and time again that Turbolasers are really meant to be used in closer ranged engagements against other ships.
Which doesn't make allot of sense since the SSD is so huge it's main weakness would be close range engagements since only a portion of it's weapons would be able to fire back.
The fact is that the Infinity is a better ship in every other way, better weapon placements, more variety of weapons and carying a fleet instead of just fighters and bombers.
The Infinity would make a short work of all the Tie Fighters that the SSD carries. It also has better fighters and bombers so they can make short work of the SSD.
The SSD just like many other ships in the Empire follow the Tarkin doctrine, it's just big for the purpose of imposing a sense of dread, but against a prepared enemy Imperial ships are just glorified bricks.
"If the Spartans get on board I don't think the stormtroopers can push them back", in walks Vadder...
Sure because human in plastoid armor that can't take projectile weapons like the Ewoks bows. Vs walking tanks capable of literally wipe out entire armies carrying heavy weapons that could tank the Stormtroopers blasters. while firing micro missiles , anti matter weapons from the Forerunners that they have used and well the Storm troopers get wiped out.
Oh and there is the tiny fact that the Infinity's super MACs fire rounds the size of Imperial II Star Destroyers at up to 50% the speed of light or 149,896,229 m/s with a maximum rage of however far the ship is thanks to Newtons laws of motion and space being a vacuum. Or an effective range of however far it's Forerunner enhanced sensors are capable of picking up an enemy ship. The reality is that laser weapons have a limited range due to the laws of thermal dynamics . A projectile based weapon doesn't have the same limitations.
Second the UNSC uses smart AI to calculate targeting data and fire the weapons via autoloaders . Star Wars doesn't have any AI assisted targeting their doing it by eye and by sensor read outs and human error does occur. The fact that the Infinity has fighters with shielding capable of carrying 30 megaton nukes, Interceptors capable of carrying 200 megaton nukes and bombers capable of carrying almost every nuclear weapons like a B-2 Bomber on steroids . Plus the addition 10 ships means this isn't a 1v1 fight in the first place its a 1 vs 11 fight. Thus the crew of the Executor have to deal with 11 enemy ships, thousands of fighters and bombers and hope they can take out all of them while they are the only target.
The Infinity was designed to go toe to toe with CSO clas Super Carriers the largest of which are 30km in length and far more heavily armed than the Executor. Considering the primary weapon used by the Covenant is the Energy projector a plasma weapon that fires super heated plasma at the speed of light. and they have multiple of them. So chances are the Infinity fleet cripples the Executor and perhaps are nice enough to save survivors. Not a guarantee given their history.
@@John2r1 master chief is good but good luck fight at least 1millon or more stormtroopers+vader at ones
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 Did you miss the s at the end of Tanks ?
The Infinity houses hundreds to thousands of Spartans at a time. Chief isn't the only walking tank on the ship. And each Spartan = entire enemy army dead. Then on top of that the Armory includes Forerunner weapons and technologies. So Vader would just get hit by an incineration cannon and die while the Storm Troopers who are Human shit themselves in fear of the unstoppable war machines shooting them with pin point precision.
@@John2r1 that’s also if they make it through the 5000 weapon emplacementsincluding turbolasers, assault concussion missile launchers, and ion cannons
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
X-wings make it through those easily because they are manually aimed and fired.
The F-41 Broadswords are the UNSC version of a F-22. Only shielded and directly connected to the pilots brain via neural link. Also packs 30 megaton nuclear missiles. So only has to get in missile range and boom 30 megaton explosions rock the ship. Note that Star Wars shields apparently don't stop fighters flying through them.
Unlike energy shielding in Halo which do block incoming fighters .
Oh and it's also worth noting that the UNSC has Teleportation technology. So a few fireteams of Spartans use teleport appear on the bridge of the ship and kill everyone thus taking the ship.
Yeah there isn't an outcome in which this one Executor class Star Destroyer does anything but lose to the Infinity and her fleet.
1 Executor Super Star Destroyer Vs 1 Infinity Super Carriet plus 10 heavy frigates is not in the slightest bit fair to the Executor .
MAC guns don't have the range?
Its literally a slug of superheated metal slung at ludicrous speeds. It HAS no maximum range! All they do is do the math of "where will target be in X amount of time" and fire! It could, in theory, fire from one side of the solar system to another, if the target is stationary or moving in a predictable pattern.
Hell, give it a few thousand years, they could fire from one solar system INTO ANOTHER SOLAR SYSTEM! So yea, you need to rethink that particular weapon system.....
The problem most people have with understanding MAC guns is that the projectiles are moving at a significant portions of the speed of light. At planetary distances which I think is the limit of a star destroyer's range the light from the Mac gun firing will reach the target just tiny fractions of a moment before the round does. Star destroyers are to big to "randomwalk" so their path is predictable. It's only at intrasteller distances that you may be able to see the MAC gun firing with enough time to react. The Executor loses nearly everytime versus a cautious UNSC captain. It's too big to evade and MAC cannons hit too hard, way too hard.
Yeah people also forget just how much Kinetic energy is along for the ride with those projectiles I would not be surprised to see the MAC 'shells' punching right through the other ship.
Yup. Plus the info I found is the 4 main MACs on UNS Infinity are Series 8 and considered Super MACs and at full power their projectiles travels at 12,000 Km per second. I don't see any Star Destroyer getting out of the way and the question is what is the range of Star Destroyer heavy weapons, because one thing's for sure and that is if a Super MAC hits it's gonna do a LOT more damage than a the heaviest turbo laser.
@@justasimpleguy7211 I think the only times we've seen Star Wars ships firing outside of visual range, on screen or in the books, is when their engaging stationary planet-side targets. Pretty much all of their guns are manually aimed by people at each individual gun.
@@justasimpleguy7211 The newer books place the Series 8 super MACs at 12% of the speed of light or 35,975.095 Km/s . And it's a 27 meter bore gun . In other words that's going to leave a very big hole.
And lets not forget what actually took down the ship was a pilot going kamakazi into the exposed bridge of the SSD .
If you remember, even the infinites MAC's couldn't punch through the Mantle's Approach without the shield going down first, in order for any affect to be dealt to the SSD, the shields would have to be down or at least pummeled, also the ISD is absolutely massive and the broadsides are covered with turbolaser emplacements. The SSD suffers against small hit and run rebel-like strategies, but it absolutely decimates in ship to ship warfare. And even with the Mac, regular autocannons on the Infinity do not have the power or range to compete with a turbolaser battery. Not to mention the absolute unit size of TIE's the SSD docks.. the UNSC does have space capable vessels made for space combat, but they are very expensive and absolutely nowhere near as plentiful or replaceable as a TIE fighter
You should consider Peacekeeper Command Carrier from Farscape - also big boy
Another good scifi show. I feel like farscape is allows over looked.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 yes, many just couldn`t bear that muppet show, frankly I didn`t like it as well but chose to ignore it and enjoy the rest. If all muppets would be repalced with CGI, that would be epic
Remastered version 😂
@@UtopianBroadcast1 yeah, like Jabba Hutt was human at first but later was replaced, that kind of change haha
Spartans boarding Darth Vader's ship uninvited is a bad idea on the Spartan's part.
Unless the spartans carry a Havok as insurance 😃
Yeah they'll kill Vader and no one will see
Yeah good luck fighting at least millions of stormtroopers and Vader this man was fight ship boarding in the clone wars so he will be ready
@@ifarded4986 Vader will see
@@skepticalmagos_101 A guy strong enough in the force to shred a parts ships bigger then himself and snaps neck without even touching you yeah Chief and the Spartans are not wining this like at all.
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Maybe I didn't Hear you say it. But the halo ship also have forerunner beam weapons.
Besides, we see the Executor being downed by a single ageing crashing into the bridge. SD's have HORRIBLE shield generator placement, which we are shown over and over again being knocked out by single seat starfighters. The Infinity not only has interior stored and generated Forerunner shielding, it was strong enough to literally smash THROUGH a Covenant super carrier with out so much as slowing down, much less inconveniencing the crew or causing damage. And that wss while half the ship was still in their version of hyperspace! Star Wars ships can't even exit hyperspace with their shields up, as we see regularly in the lore.
CLEARLY the Infinity is stronger.
yes yes how no.
Except we have sources that say how heavy turbo laser batteries are able to dish out several hundred gigatons of damage per shot, and I remind you that a fight between two executors lasts like hours before one is destroyed, imagine what kind of resistance such a shield must have the mac cannon would not even scratch it, for the executor it would be enough for him to concentrate the shield on the front and load at maximum speed the enemy ship once in range since an executor has like 2000 heavy turbolasers, the infinity would literally be vaporized after 10 mnts of intense execurape.
oh and don't forget that these star wars ships also have armor like a kilometer thick. so I don't think the missiles of infinity are of any use.
In Return of the Jedi, admiral Ackbar said to focus fire on the SSD, meaning the SSD is already heavily damaged by the time the A-Wing crashed on the command bridge. You can also see one of SSD's ion engine already in flames while it's going down.
In fairness, the ship it smashed through was old and in disrepair as the Covenant Remnant was using the scraps of its former fleet.
We also saw The Infinity be downed by three, smaller frigates crashing into it in Infinite, so that opening scene in Halo 4 was obviously some sort of mitigating circumstance.
@@Gabriel-kamov-52 A legends source. SW Lucasfilms has made it clear that EU Legends and general Canon are separate.
@@stryletzAnd plus as stated by Halsey herself the only thing on the Infinity that is forerunner are the engines the rest are either human or covenant based.
Covenant Assault carrier vs Ori Mothership
To me at least it seems like an ori mothership would smoke most other sci-fi faction ships I can think of based only off of their primary weapon and shields which are basically shown to be stupidly effective against everything short of Asgard plasma beams and which even then they can tank at least two shots from and the Asgard plasma beams used by odyssey and other bc304 ships are shown to cut through everything that isn’t ori shields like a hot knife through butter
One thing about the Executor is that it does have a withering amount of firepower. That said with proper tactics the full brunt of it can be mitigated. On the Infinity's side are those MAC canons. Now the question is what's the battle for? Is it just straight up face off or an interdiction raid. If it's the latter then the Frigates and pelicans are going to be invaluable. While the Infinity is duking it out with the SSD, the frigates would get close and get the pelicans into the SSD then join the Infinity in the battle. As was mentioned the Storm Troopers wouldn't be a match for the Spartans. Heck even the ODST's would mop them up. So long as Vader isn't there this shouldn't be as problematic as it first looks. With him, well pray John 117 is there with a Type 1 Energy Sword.
Great video my friend, the problem with Star wars is that it doesn't really obey physics very much compared to other universities 👌
Sooo true, it has allot more fantasy elements compared to other scifi franchises like star trek and Babylon 5. 🖖
@@UtopianBroadcast1 the problem was in return of the Jedi when one A wing I believe destroyed the Shields & did a kamikaze run into the ship that brought the whole thing down problem is there's no gravity in space 🤨
Lol. That was the scene I was think of. Also there was that other scene in the last jedi, when the bombers were dropping bombs in space 😂, but I know a few fans dont consider the last three films cannon.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 I went with my dad to see the last Jedi there and then that's when Star wars ended for me, princess Leia doing her Mary Poppins impression in space 🙄 or was it Superman 🤨
Star wars isnt science fiction, its fantasy in space.
Trying to compare Movie Physics to Game Physics... Sounds tough to Logic Out!
The Mac Guns would make this fight a long range artillery duel, heavily weighted in the favor of the Infinity.
You have to remember that the executor has over 5,000 tie fighters and bombers and interceptors in it (most of the time) and so many other aircraft while the infinity has not even a number close to that. You also have to remember that Darth Vader would be the executors captain.
@@luka2625 One tactic that the unsc used against the covenant was to create mine fields with nukes, take in count that all the personal in the infinity Is about 14,000 if I recall correctly and the supermac canons are capable of taking out shield easily from long distance
@@luka2625 if the MAC Cannon is fired at is max distance of engagement. It would take the tie fighters a long time to make it to the UNSC before the ship was destroyed and even if Vader was the captain even he sometimes made mistakes
The Executor SSD has the disadvantage of the massive weak point of behind itself, the engines having potentially being wide open to being destroyed, by the MAC guns, also if the MAC guns can disable/destroy the shield generator bulbs at the top of its command tower, but while the destruction of the engines is just extremely obvious, the knowledge of the shield generators might not be known, unless the UNSC had an inside man/person, infiltrating the SSD, and looking up info on the SSD for an encrypted transmission over to the UNSC carrier ship with the data. If the UNSC had time to prepare in advance for a strike, to plan for an infiltration person, then doing an exfiltration strike team to get their inside person out, along with the data, it might be able to be done.. Anyone else's thoughts on the strategy? Good, dumb, too much... ROTJ, as the Rebellion did against the 2nd Death Star?
I expect the UNSC to fight a fleet battle
I also expect the Empire to miss 99.9% of all shots fired.
No bc the target system and Also when the trubolaser hit it will be 1.601338megatons of TNT which is kinda a plasma nuke every shot edit: plus the executor 5000 turbolasers
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 yeah but what do you want to hit with these turbolasers, when the infinity has a range of 100.000km up to 1.000.000km while turbolasers only have a range of about 1200km
@@auresh9310 yes I’ve realized that
@@auresh9310 still wouldn’t win against the eclipse
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 but even against the Eclipse the infinity is a very fast moving ship and can perform an in-system jump to avoid the superlaser. And the range of the eclipse laser is most likely not higher than 200.000km (in my thoughts because the Death Star has a optimal range of 2.000.000km and a working range of 420.000.000km (source wookieepedia) and the Eclipse has a working range of 31.375.000km (source random guy in a random forum i've found but in my opinion its a "realistic" number if you consider that the superlaser of the eclipse is a lot weaker than the DS) so its working range is about a tenth of the DS's. If its around the same with the optimal range (to be sure it cracks a whole Capital Ship) than it would be around 200.000km range, and other firepower less then the Executor. So the Infinity will definitly have a chance, tho it might not be the best
The covenant supercarrier halo reach vs The Expanse solar system
I'll add it to the list. Haven't talk that much about the Expanse.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 👍🏻
If the solar system from expanse would be able to gather all of their forces, counting defens platforms and other standard nukes, they could overwellm Supercarier with firepower of their nuclear weponary. But if they were dispers like we see in the TV series, they would be destroyed 1 by 1.
The combine forces of the UNN, MCRN, and OPA will have zero chance against a CSO Supercarrier.
@@Connor.SG-1RingTheir ships use weapons very similar to those of the UNSC ships, and they have huge amounts of ships. If I am not mistaken, before the war, the MCRN had 300-400 ships, and UNN 5 times as many, that is 1600-2000 ships, plus several hundred OPA ships. Together, they should have 2,500-3,000 ships. Let me remind you that I also count all nukes and defense platforms. And in the Expanse books, the UN to stop Eros, launched 3,573 nuclear missiles(interplanetary missiles only). Overall, just too many nuclear weapons for even the CSS Supercarrier to survive firepower from the unified Sol System from the Expanse.
Changed my mind.
You sound like Quinn from Ideas of Fire & Ice. Love both channels.
Quinn's ideas?
I remember an old sic-fic series called "Once upon a time ... Space". And my question is whether the UNSC could have won the Battle for Earth if instead of the UNSC's Defense Platforms, where Defense Platforms form episode 17(they talk about it in 22 minutes) form that series. I personally think that Covenant would still win in 9/10 fights, because of the enormous weakness of this weapon, and Covenant FTL technology.
Nice to see that it wasn't completly forgotten.
And when it comes to those solar powered Defense platforms, they could easily melt anything the Covenant have, even their Capital.
@@nobleman9393 Yes, but they need solar ring for energy. So if the solar ring was damaged enough, this platform would be ussles. Of course, first wave would be destroyed easly, but the second was comprised of over 900 ships, while platforms was 300. Additionaly, they were disperst around the planet, so at once can fire at best 150. They could destroy like 50% or even 70% of Covenant fleet, but the rest would still destroy solar ring and the defense fleet. The numerical adwantage was just to big. If the defense fleet was replaced with fleet that we see in last episode of "Once upon a time ... Space", that Omega was able to gather, the they could easly win just beacuse this fleet is bigger and more advanced then UNSC Home Fleet.
@@konradoziom2225 yes, but the ring was enormous, it would take days to destroy it and the Covenant fleet would be under constant bombardment from the Defense satelites, that can one shot any warship.
@@nobleman9393 Are they really need to destroy entire ring? In their place, I would just bombard one section and cut it, or just bombard solar panels.
Star wars deflector shields dont stop physical objects like missiles or fighters from getting thru and their aa fire is notoriously crap. A nuke or two would end it and i highly doubt they could intercept or should them down. The mac gun too, would slice clean through it. 4 shots would cause extreme damage, most likely disableing it entirely. And All from well beyond threat range, so much so that the star destroyer will likely not even raise its shield at all. The star destroyers armor is not near at level of infinity either so that wouldnt even be a factor in its defense.
A ship designed to withstand concentrated turbolaser fire would withstand nuclear blasts, the yields of a turbolaser battery is not far off from nuclear weapons - part of why nuclear weapons aren't common in Star Wars.
A turbolaser battery is 250 megatonn so it would easely tank a nuke
Infinity precision micro jump behind the SSD, unloading into the engine bells. SSDs and SDs arrowhead shape block most of its weapons in the rear arc.
infinitys macs punched through a forerunner vessel 'the mantles approach' shielding and hull' forerunner vessels are comprised of hard light and matter the materials used make a star destroyer and infinity appear like tin foil. the mantles approach was 142.7km long 138.6km wide and 371.4km high......absurd specs. face it the infinty with the right captain will wreck the executor....but i still love the ssd lol
Do people forget that not only does the infinity have the small fighters but they also can launch up to 10 heavy frigates with each frigate having at least one mac cannon each so there would be up to 14 mac cannons firing constantly
So? The executor have az least 10.000 Tie and every SSD have 4 Imperial class Star Destroyers beside them.
And each Star Destroyer have az least 60 turbolaser... The power of a turbolaser is 200 gigaton so literally mini nukes... A SSD have 250 regular Turbo laser battery and 250 heavy turbo laser battery which is 2 times stronger than a regular... Good luck killing that
@@kristof.demeter it can have that but they need to be able to hit what they see and the infinity and the frigates have range on any star destroyer because of the Mac cannon and the infinity has 4 Mac cannons which one would have the power to take out the shields and so the second one would take out the star destroyer
@@kristof.demeter the infinity has the nessessary defenses to hold the fighters off not only that but the infinity has more powerful shielding due to the forerunner technology
I don't think you're giving the MAC guns enough credit. The Series-8 MACs on the Infinity scale to the UNSC's Orbital Defense Platforms, and if I remember right were actually a little bit stronger. And we know for a fact those hit well into the multi-gigaton range on weapon yields. Not because of some off handed claim from a resource book that most people readily ignore but because we know the tonnage of the round being used and we know the velocity that it's fired at - fandom's done the calculations. The impact from just ONE of these rounds is enough to redraw maps across dozens if not hundreds of miles when fired at ground targets from orbit, and we've seen the realistic consequences of such in the setting. When it comes to things like this Halo tended to take a surprisingly realistic approach to a lot of the math so we know exactly the kind of force behind every one of these shots.
If we're being generous I could see the Executor tanking a handful of these, sure, but the Infinity has four of these guns able to fire every few seconds in addition to more conventional nuclear armaments. Up close, yeah. Infinity gets shredded. But if made to fire from a distance and if they're able to utilize tactical slipspace jumps to keep their distance? The Executor would never get close enough to do more than pepper the Infinity's shields while it's getting absolutely hammered by MAC rounds.
Executors all possess hundreds of ASM launchers which will presumably outrange MAC guns by a wide margin - while railguns can theoretically hit anything at any distance, precision rapidly drops off with distance as the warhead cannot change trajectory - with a better hit rate. It also has a much larger fighter complement which can outlast the ship itself if destroyed by a MAC. The simple difference in displacement between the two is massive and that is a major deciding factor in a naval engagement assuming all other tech is similar in capability (which is applicable here).
Taking out the shield generators early is a big plus for Infinity, who also has the range advantage.
But Vader and the Force is an unknown quantity.
So no SSD go alone there are at least 4 Imperial class Star Destroyer along with it and Thousands of different Tie variants in the hangars and surrounded by many other ships... The SSDs are practically Stars Wars's Aircraft carrier...
i think fighters are actually pretty important. as its more than established that ssds have realy bad point defeces in the lore and even the thousand fighters it has woudnt make up for the fact that the infinity has a whole fleet of picket ships and actually a realy competent fighter and munitions defence system just as they are realy prevelent in the universe. wich would allow them to take out fighters quickly to give their own fighters openings to attack the ssd and also land pelicans with strike units to plant bombs. and as tifighters only have line of sight weapons the normal ties would be shredded by guided missiles. and only bombers and some more advanced variants have guided munitions. though even those have rather limited ranges. so i this fight its just the ssd is at to much of a disadvantage as it is fighting a capitalship with a full escort fleet allowing the infinity much more flexibility of even attacking from multiple angles. and ssds are also known for having weak defences on their backside meaning flanking manuvers can have devastating effects. not to mention that all the frigates have macs and missile pods aswell. and a mac might not be overly accurate at ultra long ranges but with unsc ais calculationg shots against such a massive target they should still be able to fire for effect.
MAC guns point blank range is considered to be around 100km, MAC has got the range, definitely, has the range
But the range of turbo laser are less the 1,200km and the executor has 5000 turbolaser
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 MAC's are normally fired from at least 100,000 kilometers in space. They forgot a few zeroes. It's a kinetic weapon so it technically doesn't have a set maximum range. Just do the math, point and shoot. Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space.
Don't you mean 100,000km?
Bro, the laws of physics give the Mac gun infinite range. The ssd is a slow moving behemoth. The infinity would not close within the SSD and trade broadsides like typical star
wars. Infinity also carries nukes.
The but turbo laser are nukes thermal nukes
UNSC Infinity
The Infinity is armed with forerunner tech and damage a forerunner ship only temporary but it was forerunner ship very op.
As stated by Halsey in one of the books the only thing the infinity has that is forerunner is the engines.
honestly it could go either way imo, if the ssd shot off a round of turbos, i doubt the infinity could take it, but if the infinity got missiles through and destroyed the shield bulbs, MAC rounds would make short work of the bridge, crippling the ssd
The Executor have 2 bridge one in the tower and one in the middle of the hull also a turbolaser shot is 300 megatonn which easely go trough the Infinity... And it has 250 of them also 250 Heavy turbo laser which is 2 times stronger and 6000 ion cannon which disable the UNSC
The Infinity wins to me it's Fire power and strength and endurance to ram a Covenant ships that had it's shields up in to oblivion tells me that.
So a small presentation about the SSD:
The Super-class was described as 8,000 meters long, armed with 250 turbolaser (200 megatonn each shot) batteries, 250 heavy turbolaser batteries (500 megatonn) , 250 ion cannons, 250 concussion missile tubes, and 40 tractor beam projectors. It would carry twelve TIE squadrons (including two TIE Interceptor squadrons) and more than fifty other small craft. It would have been crewed by 280,734.
The infinity is like 5 times smaller than the size of a super star destroyer there’s like no chance of it beating the executor
Size isn't everything. Star Wars guns have a tendency to engage at visual range, and in the books have a maximum range of 1200 kilometers, unless it's a planet-side base. Halo Captains tend to hang back and pound into the enemy from at least 100,000 kilometers, and the MAC Rounds are moving at several degrees .c. They also tend to launch missile barrages that would make Robotech proud. Executor would be a very expensive pile of scrap long before Infinity reached Turbolaser range.
What? Good luck continued prosperity and I won’t tell the emperor what you said.
Infinity wins.....
1. MACs are extremely longe range... and with a coordinated salvo of Missles and nukes could breach the deflectors of ghe SSD.
2. SSD's turbolasers will take time to chip through the hull and armor of the infinity while a Mac round can core through the SSD taking out more internal systems.
3.Spartan teams on a Prowler can get close enough to infiltrste and place Havok nukes indide the SSD.
Summery: will give a 70-60% win chance to the UNSC.
Turbolaser are nukes there 1.601338megatons per shot and they got 5000 and good luck getting Spartans on board Vaders ship and all the stormtroopers at least millions good luck I don’t think that’s gonna be a win
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 they can put the havock nukes as minefields near the cruiser, that's one tactic that the unsc used against the covenant (btw prowlers have active camo)
@@magdaraya5597 shield generators👍
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 Mac round
@@magdaraya5597 eclipse super laser
The UNSC barely won against the Covenant i highly doubt they would win against the Empire let alone the Galactic Republic.
If the infinity carries at least one nova bomb the executor and whoever planet/moon nearby are gone
I mean yes but not if the executor take it out with it’s 5000 1.601338megaton turbolaser
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 is that your only response? Dude your ship gets clapped, go sit down.
@@DeathByLego I realize it would get clapped but if it was the eclipse would destroy the infinity
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 but it’s no so
@@DeathByLego but it yes so
since star wars is many millenia more advanced in technology, i think a few turbolaser shots would turn any halo ship except forerunners to dust.
also people that say that star wars lasers have a distance of 100km max i say to them that if you sneeze in space you get to travel many au. so propably any shot in space has firing range until something stops it.
And lets be real, since they have managed higher than light speeds, the can easily throw a single spacecraft at speed of light at any planet and evaporate it.
The Forerunners would body the entire Star Wars Galaxy with ease. They wouldn't even struggle one bit.
@@leonvoelker7639 only if they suicided. since the only weapon capable would be the halo array. but in conventional warfare they wouldnt stand a chance.
@@ΠαζαρακιαΣιτιthe Forerunners had weapons that used Gravity and hardlight. They had better, stronger and lager ships and more of them. Their battleship, the Fortress class was 50 jilometers long and 10 at their widest. It was covered in weapons and landing bays. It alone could carry millions of attack and picket ships. And these weren't rare. There were many fleets made up of dozens of them. One hleet was had 75, which were by escorted by hundreds of thousands of smaller ships. They had larger Singular ships but the Fortress class was the largest mass produced Forerunner ship. They had thousands of these massive vessels and even built them twice as long during the war. Or the backbone of their navy was the Sojourner Class Dreadnought. Over 9,3 kilometers in height and arround 10 billion metric tons in weight. Stuffed completely full of gravity and light weaponry. Their Main weapons was a capital ship grade torsion driver. An unstoppable beam of gravity, which would rip through any Star Wars ships without a problem. The shields wouldn't Stop them, as shields only Stop either energy weapons such as Plasma, which Star Wars blasters are (energy shields) or physical objects (particle shields) and the torsion driver is neither. Think of the tractor beam of the Starhawk but way way stronger and a literal beam of gravity. As secondary weapons it has two sets of weapons. Firstly 28 converging beam cannons, which fire homing beams of anti Matter in forms of tendrils. They would devastate any armor and shielding. The other secondary weapons are a set of 300 light mass fusillade cannons. In addition it had a compliment of 200 scutarii, 5000 venatores and war sphinxes and millions of hunter-killers or despair-class. fighter. This wasn't some super ship. This was their main warship, of which they had tens if not hundreds of thousands.
@@leonvoelker7639 So? A turbolaser battery literally dozens of megatons good luck survive that
@@kristof.demeter the Forerunners l casually destroyed stars and star systems during the flood war. Not With super weapons but with their regular capital ships.
I think the infinity wins if it uses the HAVOC, and besides, they could use the slipspace to maneuver in battle since it is definetly faster an more precise than the hyperspace
This is the problem with lore on the star wars side, one comic had 3 star destroyers exiting hyperspace and hitting an executor class cruiser and its shields survived. If you do count this as lore, then how is a nuke or going to change anything?
@@Ascelot Unless they have had destroyed it from the inside, I wouldn’t consider that as canon. I haven’t read the comic, but if what is a faster-than-speed crash does not turn off the shield, how the fuck are some mini cannons gonna do it?
@@pedromartinez4586 once upon a time, lore stated that the entire rebel fleet at endor or the entire Hapes fleet + new republic fleet at dathomir, or even another executor were needed to focus fire to drop the shields and destroy an executor. They did so using ion cannons, thousands of them, since the fleet at endor was much larger than what we see in the movie (but you would eneter EU novels vs movies lore, wich already arw two separate canons), there were over 50 confirmed hapan battle dragons at Dathomir (already making it 200 ion cannons total plus 120 triple ion cannons) plus an unspecified number of republic warships AND an SSD was listed to have over 2.000 of those or 500 depending on book.
Yeah its a mess to keep track off
Actually I don't think long range missiles will even hit the SSD, simply because if the Infinity stays out of range of the SSD's armaments, they can focus on eliminating the missiles
Star Wars guns usually keep to visual range, and Halo ship to ship missiles can go up to several fractions of .c at max range. They won't have time to react.
My problem with this sort of videos is simply the fact that star wars has incredibly nonsensical lore when it comes to weapons, depending on what canon you go off of, you get a different lore.
Movies and disney canon make turbolasers stupid weak, then again they show them having tens of thousands of km of range on multiple occasions.
Legends makes them sound powerful when you bombard a planet, putting them at high gigatons, but gives them stupid short range despite several books contradicting them (mentioning orbital bombardment).
Neither canon explains the strenghts of the materials that makes the ship hulls beyond "Durasteel isn't as tough as Titanium, but its better at blocking blasters and derivatives", wich doesn't tell much.
I still cheer for the SSD, since it can just probably bombard the infinity with its 2.000 turbolasers and 2.000 ion cannons plus sending tie models at it in the hundreds, and tie, despite what is shown today, were powerful.
If it was a close broadside, the Executor might win, as the Mini MACs on the sides might not be enough to keep up with the Turbo Lasers. However, the Infinity could probably take a beating enough to launch the 10 Frigates, which have better MACs than the side Mini MACs and other point defense weapons. That's 10 decent MACs against one large target, I honestly doubt the Executor could survive that.
The UNSC is used to fighting larger and more powerful shielded enemies though, Covenant ships shields and tech would be - at least to the UNSC - similar to the Empires. Typically they'd use "wolf pack" tactics to take down larger and better shielded targets before pulling back cause they generally couldn't survive the Covenant returning fire, if they lived to return the fire.
My guess is that the UNSC wouldn't let itself get into that close of a range for the Executor to pound on it. If they were transported both in the middle of nowhere say, at any range that isn't right up in the others face, I honestly doubt the Executors shields and hull would stand up to a MAC volley. This again, is from MACs that are more powerful than those in Orbital Defense Platforms, which those alone could take down Covenant Capital Ships, and having 4 of them firing super dense rounds at absolutely ridiculous speeds, I highly doubt many things could stop it. Not to mention again, they would likely deploy the 10 Frigates, giving them an extra 10 MACs to light up the Executor before most of the Executors weapons get in range.
Star wars tech is stupid and weak
The old republic area super weapons were much powerful like one that could lunch a torpedo into the solar system sun and it would destroy the solar system and it was pretty much impossible to destroy from what it was built out of I guess
Clearly haven't done your research like at all.
@@thunderlion6909 their tech is fantasy based on no science at all.
Only Mac's are enough to one shot SSD
And this shows how you dont know nothing about Star Wars ships... The SSD's armor is stupidly thick and also the shield... These are not regular Star Destroyers these literally have the best defense systems in the whole Star Wars
Ya Spartans would be pretty bad ăśš boarding party until they come across the owner of the SSD Lord Vader
He'd single handedly take the entire force out.
ever heard of masterchief?? .. he is at the peak of humanity has never seen
@@thegroovygamer1604 I would like to see master chief run out ammo then get fuck by millions of stormtroopers and Vader that were waiting for him
@@thegroovygamer1604 Doesn't matter all Vader has to do is crush his windpipe with force and that it plus light saber are plasma based weapons anyway so Vader light saber would just go right through Chief armor.
The numbers of fighters it can carry is extremely low for a ship it's size and would likely vary by the mission just like every other navy carrier in history has done. Realistically the UNSC Infinity would carry a thousands of fighters, transports , etc.
The Infinity has 275 Cat-1 primary bays, 140 Cat-2 secondary bays, 108 Cat-3 matériel deployment bays, and ten Cat-8 sub-vessel deployment bays.
That means it should legitimately be capable of launching more fighters than the 150 listed on the wiki's .
Also you failed to mention the unknown number of Longsword fighter/bomber/interceptors and FSS-1000 Saber fighters on the ship. So yeah it has a lot more fighters onboard than just the 150 you mentioned .
The SSD got taken out by a fighter crashing into the command deck.
The F-41 Broadswords and the FSS-1000 are both shielded.
Oh and you might want to go back to physics class because the Super MAC's are projectile based .
And SIr Issac Newton disagrees with you at least according to his laws of physics. Specifically the laws of motion.
The First law of motion is that An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
In Space which is a Vacuum devoid of things like gravity and drag or air resistance on the projectile fired the Super MACs actually have unlimited range. Because there is nothing to act on the projectile. Meaning the 6000 ton 27 meter diameter projectiles fired by the Infinity's Series 8 Super MACs at 12% of the speed of light will impart the same force on the SSD at point blank range as it will at 100,000km away. Giving the projectile infinite range .
Basically you need to go back to high school level science class. Oh and the limiting factor of the Turbolaser Cannons which don't fire lasers but plasma. The range limit is due to thermal booming or well heat being absorbed into space . Projectile weapons don't have this problem.
The SSD was destroyed by a variety of things affecting it. This has been readily explained in SW lore. The fighter was just the only thing put _on screen_ that sealed the deal on its destruction, but it was getting hammered by the Rebel fleet for some time before.
Infinity, at best, carries a few hundred fighters. No idea where you're getting the "thousands" from. Realistically, per its own fucking lore, it carries no more than ~700 aerial vehicles, nearly half of which are drop pods and not combat aircraft. Saying "well they WOULD give it more!!" is ridiculous because it's assuming each ship has its standard complement. The Executor COULD also carry thousands more fighters, because it has enough deployment bays for entire army battlegroups, but it doesn't, because we're assuming its standard complement is on board.
Railguns lose accuracy exponentially the further the target is. Being unable to change trajectory makes even slight evasive maneuvers extremely effective at dodging such projectiles. At a certain distance, a change of a few hundred meters could be enough to throw off the round entirely. Missiles would be infinitely preferable to railguns for long range combat and this has been readily accepted in real life naval combat and in much more physically grounded depictions of sci-fi combat.
Star Wars shilds dont stop progetils ore ceneric this is why the rebels used booming runs ore ramming action so the infinity has a clear advandige in my eys
And a turbolaser battery.is 200 megatonn no Halo ships shiled deflect thst
SSD vs Macragge's Honour
Personally, I'd bet on the Honour.
@@evanboll4651I wouldn't if we're going off of Legends. The Honor isn't going to hurt the Executor by ramming it, it's shields will laugh at everything perhaps the Nova Cannons, torpedoes are going to get intercepted by TIEs or PD lasers, and macroguns might actually kill the whole ship(because the bridge crew are pissing themselves laughing about how stupid they are).
Infinity would make the Super Star Destroyer its b*tch
When?
Star destroyer wins
I would be careful about making blanket statements like that War seldom is a sure even if you on paper you have every advantage you can still lose. War from my experience and from my studies has always come down to particulars right time right location and right decision making stuff that can't always be quantified.
@@808INFantry11X it all depends the range
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 well big ships always want to engage at large standoff distances because the bigger the gun the longer range you got to be in order to use it. One big reason is targeting systems and also weapons systems because minimum safe engagement distances. Any large caliber weapons systems you want distance otherwise your going to get caught up in your back blast. That why artillery have fuses so they are armed after a certain amount of seconds after leaving the tube. Missiles same thing. When you close with enemy capital ships you take out about 60% of their combat effectiveness.
@@808INFantry11X I mean they have get pretty far and most likely they wouldn’t know the range of this thing so travel close to 1200km away from the supers Star destroy without get a single hit
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 the one thing that star wars is inconsistent in is the estimate range on Wikipedia compared to what is actually one screen star wars they seem to close way within 1000 clicks from the target. They tend to use really obsolete tactics such as broadside which is old Battleship tactics that just really don't jibe with modern tracking tech most battlefields happen over the horizon means you never see the OPFOR at all.
Is this a question in anybody’s mind really?
My thoughts? You're dead wrong. That super star destroyer would walk all over that ship.
If the executor would win image the supremacy😧
The force works on AI
Both are hellishly slow, both are huge targets that even visual targeting can lock onto and that is good because their weapon's ranges are also visual. While the SSD has shields, they do not seem to have done them in any good in any film and while the Infinity ahs no shields it has impressive armor, which may matter. For once we see an opponent on nearly the same tech level as Star Wars that has a 50/50 chance of winning. If I had to guess though, the Infinity pulls out the win just because has faced enemies with actually powerful beam weapons and not uber laser beams.
infinity aint slow my boy
@@thegroovygamer1604 A small fraction of C is S L O W. Federations ships exceed the speed of light on impulse drive.
@@cadengrace5466 infinity can slipspace multiple times..with a very pin point landing accuracy
@@thegroovygamer1604 I am aware but that is not sub light movement, that is like the Picard maneuver, micro warp jumping.
@@cadengrace5466 yes it is..and infinity can chain that..and without even slipspace...infinity can move pretty fast....and can ram any super carrier on its way..