Why is the Horror Story of Judges 19 in the Bible?

[@robertbruce1552]

In reading judges I almost find the behavior or the world not any different than today. We think we are better than them but its hard to tell.

[@nellciara1709]

You are right 😢

[@michaeltigg1926]

We are supposed to model our life from the evil so called "Bible" so rape, murder, slavery, treating women with no respect is normal right? So sounds like we are living from the word of "God"

[@gravymorales4762]

You had me until you said almost

[@xaelath7771]

@@gravymorales4762 It's sometimes different in style, but not in substance.

[@sylvester8004]

Read the chapter just now and I wanted a clarification asap 😂

[@thrivealcoholrecovery]

me too! i was like wait, what???

[@queendevi2492]

Me too 😁

[@MaynorPinto]

SAME!

[@daxbruce3491]

Read the rest of the story it gets better. They wipe out another tribe take all their virgins and give them to the remaining Benjmites.

[@thegoodprince3264]

@@daxbruce3491 Wow, people are disgusting.

[@Leps_]

I am officially shook by the Old Testament - Genesis 19 blew my mind & Judges 19 broke my heart 😳 thank you Lord God for your greatest sacrifice ✝️

[@seanocansey2956]

Yeah Judges 19 is pretty dark....

[@thebrazentruth]

I was actually more angry at the man who pushed his wife out the door to save himself than I was at the rapists. Women had a rough go at life in the Old Testament.

[@isaacmarshmallow8751]

People who held the Inheritance were viewed as the most "valuable" culturally and the ones to be defended In life and death situations. In Lots family with all females, this was Lot. In Abraham's household this would have been Isaac. In Jacobs then Joseph and Judah would be the two to protect above all else. If Lot died then the family inheritance dies out. If the Levite man died, then his family line also ends there.
That's their world view. It's not a good world view by any means. But in a world where you couldn't afford to live as an "individual" but had to survive by means of community, men ended up most valuable for "community survival," and the men with the inheritance as the most valuable of the men. Modern conveniences like supermarkets and housing infrastructure (water from a tap instead of a walk to a well) make living as an individual way viable for everybody.
This caused warped viewpoints for value of individual lives. Contrast the attitude of the Levite with the Attitude of Jesus though, who was willing to give himself up for the congregation

[@lizacabrera2511]

@@isaacmarshmallow8751 Wow. Now I understand it better. Thank you for sharing this. Now it makes sense.

[@hitto8863]

I would do the same as him,save myself,we dont per nothing to women

[@thebrazentruth]

@@isaacmarshmallow8751 it was a warped worldview where women suffered the most. Just like the the Levite’s concubine in Judges 19 and Jephthah’s daughter in Judges 11. I don’t think an explanation of cultural worldviews is relevant. Just an acknowledgement that it was wrong. I’m a Christian. I love Jesus and believe in the sovereignty of the Bible. But I hate it when men try to justify these actions by explaining context or culture to me. God uses messed up people to do great things and that is the righteousness we can all identify with and stake a claim to. Not the explaining away of our past or justifying our actions but being able to see that God can make people who have terrible mindsets and who have done terrible things into sons and daughters of the Most High King when we surrender to Him and trust him to finish the work within us. Lot offering his daughter to be raped was a terrible thing. The Levite pushing his concubine out to save himself resulting in her being raped all night and dying on the doorstep was wrong. Jephthah sacrificing his daughter to God because of his pre victory promise to do so was wrong. Having your children read these stories without identifying the misconduct of the hero’s within the stories is wrong. It teaches children the value of women in God’s eyes when there is no acknowledgment of the fallibility of these world views. These world views do not reflect God’s heart. God using people with these world views reflects God’s desire to lead us to redemption, restoration and metamorphosis through his amazing grace.

[@isaacmarshmallow8751]

@@thebrazentruth Who says I was trying to justify it? Explaining cause and effect of what made them tick is in no way justification.
And I agree with you, Lot and the Levite were totally out of line. But then Lots daughters werent the best examples either. It's precisely THAT context and THAT culture that made them think that having sex with their own father was a good idea. Nobody forced them to do that, in fact they forced themselves on him if anything. He had no male heirs. His wife was dead. That was the end of his family line. There was no one in the whole land who would raise up offspring for their father through them ("brother in law marriage"). It was wrong what they did. They were all products of their culture and time.
Even regarding the Levites concubine, it appears as though efforts were made to detract the readers opinion of her. Those verses about her being an adulterer aren't present in either the LXX or in Josephus recounting of the events. Their presence in newer manuscripts yields to the idea promoted that "Oh, well she was an adulterer, so she deserved it" (which I have heard some teachers use as arguments), which just muddies the waters. As far as the oldest manuscript evidence goes, she wasn't an adulterer. She was just awfully abused. And then several chapters later, the leadership endorses forced kidnapping against the women of Shiloh. They were doing the same type of things a few chapters prior they went to war over 🤦🏼‍♂️
Regarding Jephthahs daughter, I disagree. God's spirit was upon him when he made the vow (Judges 11:29), he is shown to be well versed on Israelite history, so it would be highly unlikely that he was not aware of passages like Leviticus 20:2 and Deuteronomy 18:10. When he says he will offer the first one as a "burnt offering", it's referring to a very specific type of offering (as found in Leviticus 1). While the Communion offering, Grain offering, Sin offering and Guilt offerings all had some parts given to the priest or the one offering, the Burnt offering (with the exception of its skin), was burnt wholly. In other words it was completely devoted. So too with Jephthah's daughter. He was saying whomever came out of his house first would become wholly devoted to God. In light of this, She was more likely serving at the tent of meeting, as women did in those days (1 Samuel 2:22) in fact her father delivered Israel a mere 56 years before Saul became King (by which point Samuel was "old", showcasing the close timing of 1 Samuel 2:22 to Jephthah's day). This is why she weeps over her virginity for months (with her girl companions), and not weeping over her life, because being devoted would mean she would never have relations with a man, another fact the account highlights. The LXX mistranslated Judges 11:40, the Hebrew word "Tanah" (also used in Judges 5:11 for "recount") was poorly rendered "bewail". "Converse with" or "commend" is a better rendering for the Hebrew. The regulation is that they would go 4 days in the year to commend/ support her, as her companions did for those 2 months.
Also, I'm a fellow human being. Don't patronise people with that "I hate it when a man does/tries/says" nonsense. If I speak out of turn, correct me, if I speak on a subject out of ignorance, inform me on it, but don't play the gender card like that. Consider the content of peoples arguments/ points of view, not the stuff between their legs. Gender has no relevance on whether or not someone raises a valid point or a bad point.
But I agree with you, women had it rough in old testament times. There is no justification for the way they were treated.

[@gracehc9356]

Thank you for this explanation. I was listening to the Bible to go to sleep and when I heard this I woke up and thought I heard wrong! Thank you for explaining as I would have never been able to conclude that myself half asleep!

[@rutha1464]

God bless you and thank you for helping me to reconcile scripture that has disturbed me six decades.

[@udonoquesabo3235]

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[@gwynthh1756]

Thanks for the breakdown. The mob similarly to Sodom and Gamora was astonishing. The horror of what happened to the concubine was only topped by what happened to her remains. I stumbled upon your assessment after seeking clarity. 🙏.

[@saviorkakama691]

try reading the chapters before and after this Chapter. You will understand that this incident that everyone including the concubine God what they deserved. Understanding what Levites where and the sanctity of marriage in Israeli culture will help give you a better impression. She was pronounced dead the minute she cheated on her husband a Levite who had shown her so much kindness despite her background. As for the rest of Israel, well that is when God truly left them for after this incident one of their Tribe is almost whipped out and instead of being ruled by God, they have Kings who lead them further in damnation.

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

​@@saviorkakama691 since when is r ape acceptable punishment??

[@saviorkakama691]

@@tangerinetangerine4400 what ou on about. Rape is not acceptable punishment it is the consequence of sin. It's like a kid who's been told not to touch the pots. If they touch it and burn, it's not punishment, but a consequence.

[@kristinstiles2222]

Just read this account this morning as I was finishing the book of Judges and saw those same parallels for the first time. Thank you for this thoughtful treatment of the subject, it was very informative.

[@freedom4life312]

"Everyone did what was right in their own eyes" 😳😳😳 Now just imagine what defunding the police or over throwing the government would look like. 😵 Brothers, let us give thanks to God for establishing law, order and rulers. Reading the stories in Judges reminds me not to whine and complain about our current government.

[@TracyAmor]

Ooohh, now makes sense why the other vid I have watched has Genesis 19 hashtag.
And yes, I have read the Genesis already as I'm reading through my Bible and currently in Judges (obviously). Wow. Watching vids on TH-cam after reading helps me have deeper understanding.
Thank you! God bless!

[@Mike-zy8in]

My friend go TH-cam: are you a good person by living waters

[@levrider9558]

that was fire! I always asked myself: why is it so often stressed in the book of Judges that there was no king, when god dislikes the idea of changing Israel from a theocracy to a Kingdom. Now its clear for me, that Israel didn't lack someone like David, but they lacked Jesus.

[@estebanmunoz7486]

Thanks bro.... just finished this chapter and was looking for some insights. God bless you.

[@iftheshoefits7124]

wait but why did the concubine have to suffer in that story? it just seems unfair. also the men offering up their daughters in genesis and judges 19 is really terrifying

[@ijansk]

It is unfair.
It is a revolting story in an immoral book, the bible.

[@BlastoBoi]

@@ijansk not so, people are unholy not gods word. Don't blame God for peoples actions. That's ignorant

[@RafaelSoares-Tuelho]

Great summary! Thanks for putting this nice and well done in a short video.

[@GenerationX1984]

So disturbing they actually ignore it altogether in Sunday school, Seminary, and Bible study classes.

[@mic2007100]

This is so disturbing I thought this was the story of Lot😳😳

[@Ultimascale4]

Thanks man because when I read that chapter I needed clarification real quick. WTH.

[@vanjones1749]

Thank you for the video your analysis of this scripture is eye opening and helped some to being a better understanding of this hard scripture. Keep up the good work

[@HipHopNerdHarryGusto]

Matthew 20:16 "So the last will be first and the first will be last" . The mirroring saints are in named in Thecla and Alba. Thecla story is called Paul and Thecla. and Alba's history is found in old medievil history. His name can still be found in almost every English speaking state, county, city Etc. as Albany, He has a kingdom name after him also. The kingdom of Alba, or Scotland. Alba fits Psalm 45:17.

[@iftheshoefits7124]

it was really a gut wrenching story....

[@4700_Dk]

Israel was without a king. Leadership is very important, it will lead to anarchy without a leader. A lesson God was teaching Israel. 🇮🇱

[@kevinpoe1346]

This is great Mark. Glad I ran across it.

[@MarkNorthAveChurch]

Thanks Kevin!

[@marqueematthews4949]

Thanks Bro!. I felt like the Story of Sodom Ran Contingent with Judges 19, but I needed Clearity Becuz the the Story in Judges was a bit more Disturbing, but Im Search out Gods Spirit thru the Scriptures!.

[@godschild6417]

MARQUEE (Rap-Disciple) when reading the scriptures always remember that just because God allowed something to happen for a cause (Whether good or bad) He is not the cause of everything that has happened...
Many times people will read something in the scriptures and automatically associate God with it - The Bible describes all kinds of wickedness and sinful acts because God doesn’t withhold any information from us... those events have happened and they are in the scriptures for a reason.
I will leave you with a verse on this:
2 Peter 2:6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly”
We may have something to learn from these passages and God wants to teach us through history and through His word the importance of Holy living.

[@TearDrop455]

This was very good, thank you.
It sure speaks volumes of the current times.

[@devanshroyal8372]

Gonna read Judges 19 today, good thing I prepared for it

[@rolysantos]

This video speaks to what I believe regarding the doctrine of sovereign election.
Arminians (free will proponents) cannot accept that we DO have free will, but that is the very problem.
From Adam on, man has done nothing with his free will except turn AWAY from God.
God gave Israel ALONE His laws and statutes (Psalm 147:19-20)
And said "If a man does these things he will live." They were supposed to be "a light for the gentiles."
But they were corrupt and if God had not "Preserved" a remnant, NONE of them would have survived. (Isaiah 1:9, Romans 9:29)
Hebrews 8 says the problem with the OC was "THE PEOPLE."
They did not remain faithful (they turned away)
So I turned away from them.
So what about the gentiles?
God "overlooked the times of their ignorance," purposely did not give them His laws and statutes, purposely "allowed them to go their OWN WAY" and left them "without hope and without GOD."
So what was God doing?
God was showing us that by our very nature, man goes AWAY from God, whether left to himself OR given God's laws, NOBODY seeks The Lord and NOBODY is able to obey and "live."
This is What Paul's message is about when he tells us that the law was given as a "our tutor to bring us to Christ," The law could not be obeyed, it was to show us our helplessness in obeying.
Apart from GOD doing a work INSIDE of us, we are ALL hopeless!
Which is why God said that HE would make a NEW covenant "NOT like the old one."
Where HE puts His laws into our hearts and minds and HE causes us to fear so that we NEVER turn away again and HE gives us a new heart so that we not only can hear and believe but never depart again (Jeremiah 32:40, Hebrews 8, Ezekiel 36)

[@TheNecroSodomizer]

The owner of the concubine was also a huge piece of sh**. When he discovered her body at the door, all he said was “Get up! Let’s go!”, as if she wasn’t horribly assaulted all night. Dude knew damn well what they did to her.

[@user-li6zk2kh1j]

Necro your better how ?

[@haroldedinjiklian6267]

This was brilliantly said

[@jamesbarringer2737]

That was GREAT. Judges 19 and Genesis 19 have always been problematic for me. Your tying it into the conclusion to Judges - that was a real revelation. I also never saw the obvious connection between Judges and Genesis 19. Thanks for this. This was a very important teaching.

[@alectyner]

Hard truth, but truth either way. Thank you for this video.

[@nerygomez902]

That was awesome to know. Thank you

[@projectdesign4675]

Clearly (to some), in this moment God is going to have a Church without a spot or wrinkle. So I asked Him "how will I know her"?.......He said "you will be able to tell because of how she behaves in My Presence"!
The only distinguishing indicator of a believer is God's Presence in their lives!

[@melanieeeee10]

Thank you for your thoughts! This video has really helped me understand this chapter.

[@AngeloBetrulas]

Yes. Understand that "god" (whichever one of the thousands that are worshiped) is a nasty, horrible person who should NEVER be allowed to impose hIS disgusting ways upon us. So glad hE doesn't exist!

[@christiandehlinger3731]

Good job brother Mark. I was searching out Judges 11 as I thought that was disturbing. Do not doubt, Jesus is the Christ of God.

[@chloewilliams8922]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@sheebaerwinpeter3936]

thank you so much

[@jamesoliver802]

Man does not live by bread alone....

[@user-li6zk2kh1j]

Finally a video that explains the truth and not like these other videos trying and focusing on the evil parts of scripture then trying to cover it up.

[@arouraborialis2413]

God comes to man when complains about being hungry or thirtsy yet didnt help this woman... It's so hard to accept him with that knowledge.

[@funkmonster]

Allaura B exactly! God does not give a shit what happened to this poor woman who was raped to death. Then he cuts her up into a dozen pieces. Great story God!

[@adrianmedina3582]

Wow you guys are lost and need to repent. Did you know the woman personally? Do you know if she was perfect? Fools

[@Larissa-hd5ut]

God didn’t rape and cut this woman up, humans did.
The whole point is that these were people of God that didn’t follow God anymore and became as corrupt and evil as the rest of the world because that’s what happens when we decide to live our lives the way we want instead of following God. We’re evil and corrupt by nature.
This poor woman had to suffer all night and no one helped her. Not one man saved her, not even her awful husband.

[@gentileuk1311]

This is what a lawless society will look like ..... these men were of their father the devil

[@everybodylovesvee270]

Pupusaberg ohhhhh. Now I get it. Thanks.

[@sharkwithfreakinlaserattac5913]

thank you, great video!

[@user-li6zk2kh1j]

A lost nation or those who are lost have the mindset that they can do what they want just like we all do at times. We have a sin nature. As Christian's, Non Christians even Athiest will strughle with sin.

[@KimGelloLatonio]

Thank you for explaining

[@lesterrawlins3315]

Please also do a video on Jephthah sacrificing his daughter, also in the Book of Judges.

[@honestheartedtruthseekerso5133]

The story shows that with our the Holy Soirit in YOu Yahshua man is as a beast of the field. The people needed Yahshua in them the only hope of Glory.

[@theotrotchie]

Well worth the five minutes.

[@gambit633]

But then it gets worse God tells the tribes to commit genocide on the Benjamites, killing ALL the women and children, God even personally helps the tribes in the last fight. 600 Benjamin MEN have escaped, after they make sacrifices to God, he forgives them. Obviously none of the other tribes want their daughters to marry Benjamites, so then tribes go and kill off a town of pacifists that failed to come and fight in the first tribal genocide. All except for the virgins, which were given to the Benjamins. Those virgins I imagine were probably raped too by the Benjamin husbands they were forced to marry., After all those women those virgins had just seen their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters all be killed, so not happy about their marriages.
If God was involved as it appears, if he is all powerful, if he is all-knowing why didn't God just kill the original Benjamin rapists? Like he killed the wife of Lot for glancing over her shoulder.. Is it because of our free choice?

[@theadorablesearena7745]

If you remember that before Joshua died he spoke with the Israelites that after the giving of their inheritance, they have to follow God or else if they return back to their evil ways God will not hearken to their cries anymore or help them. The Israelites, even if being delivered several times always return to their old ways and forgets who God is

[@gambit633]

@@theadorablesearena7745 But for God to order/help kill the women, children, and babies seems wrong. Especially when he forgives the men and lets them live - the very men amongst who could have been the original rapists that initiated God's anger. And to encourage the further rape of other women by the Benjamites (I am sure those virgins were rapped in marriage... Again at God's suggestion the Benjamites force some Virgins to marry them after killing their families in front of them).
Must be hard being God but first I would have used my supreme knowledge and killing power to just kill the rapists. And send down angels... to try and teach right and wrong before deciding to kill everyone including the children & babies. Maybe I am an optimist but with good teachers I believe anybody can learn right from wrong.

[@fredsalfa]

Thanks for analysing that

[@byrondickens]

Late reply here:
Some of the comments really blow my mind! Anybody who reads the book of Judges and thinks that THAT is the blueprint for how we should live our lives - who thinks that the behavior described in it is condoned by God - quite simply doesn't have a functioning brain. The whole book is obviously an indictment of turning away from the law of God and living in a state of anarchy instead. And just in case you missed the point, the author repeats over and over "The Israelites did what was evil in the sight of the LORD."

[@reeferfranklin]

The Bible often uses identical stories like this as a framing device to book-end a narrative arch...the question is "what kind of narrative is being told if you consider Genesis 19-Judges 19 to be a single cohesive narrative unto itself...also, it should be noted that the story of King Abimelech & Abraham follows the tale of Lot & the Angels, and there is a tale of Abimelech son of Gideon who seizes power by killing his siblings to become a tyrant in Judges 9...it seems there may be more parallels to be found throughout this Genesis 19-Judges 19 narrative, and the recurrent iteration is always worse than the precursor King Abimelech almost committed a grave sin but headed the word of the LORD, Abimelech son of Gideon committed the gravest of sins to seize power with no concern for his duty to be his brother's keeper...also, this concubine was from Bethlehem, I can't help but notice she hails from our Saviour's coming birthplace, could she indeed be a pre-figuration of Mary?

[@joanjune4381]

Genesis 19 🙆🏿‍♀️🙆🏿‍♀️🙆🏿‍♀️

[@patbrumph6769]

An admirable attempt at rationalization.

[@planetx5269]

There are so many atrocities in the Bible and what you said certainly doesn't excuse any of it. Some of the early Christians believed that the Old Testament God was evil, and he was, and not the father of Jesus, and he wasn't. Quite trying to cover up and put a good spin on this. It was horrible and there WAS no excuse!!

[@joanjune4381]

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[@TheTintinramos]

great! really helpful

[@dariciaariana4391]

Went here for some clarifications

[@rethinkingjesus]

That is a tame horror story compared to Yahweh causing Israel to kill and cannibalize their own children and seeming to delight in it. (Jeremiah 19:9, Deuteronomy 28: 49 & 52-54, 2 Kings 6:28-29, Deuteronomy 28:57, Ezekiel 5: 8-10, Leviticus 26:27-29, Zechariah 11:9, Isaiah 9:19-20, Lamentations 4:10). I am so glad I follow Jesus Christ who rebuked the priests of Yahweh saying they were of their father the devil. (John 8:44).

[@robertjames9181]

Thank you , that was helpful

[@donnafraenkel7852]

It's about male and female hemispheres of the brain and how information gets past
The subconscious mind takes three and a half days to pass from right to left, naturally, with programming
When you force information from the subconscious mind or brainwash unnaturally
, through fear and control,etc, you make the body sick and suffer from illnesses
The ideas and thoughts of man should naturally unfold, and not be forced in certain ways which is akin to this energy that is happening here
Energy is misunderstood especially when displaying higher science information to biblical era scenarios, but now we can understand that control can happen within and without the body in ways we can only understand now through machines that can see other light and energy within our lives today
For instance Moses was told to put a copper snake around a pole which would heal people and it's electro medicine or harnessing the eitheric electricity. How electricity looks like a snake is pretty amazing symbolic representation because it's accurate in the end results of being dangerous 😂

[@speakintothemicb]

I just read this chapter and I am upset about this. 😠

[@sboloshis1188]

Brittany S. Myers yes it’s awful.

[@shipwreckedsailor586]

Now think about Acts 19 as well!

[@busker153]

It was recorded because it happened.

[@kingtinei1478]

Ok. There was no King in Israel in those days but they apparently were consulting God and he was responding to them as they went to war with the Benjamites, can you explain that?

[@misterawful477]

At least the horrible mass rape of the concubine didn't interrupt the Levite's sleep.

[@AngeloBetrulas]

Absolutely! Every cloud... ;))

[@Mike-zy8in]

My bros go TH-cam: are you a good person by living waters

[@RoseSharon7777]

Who is Jesus' holy spirit? That doesn't fit into the doctrine of the trinity. Just asking, never heard that before.

[@evelyneverlasting9038]

Are we sure we have the right understanding of the concept of women

[@richardcasillas2575]

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[@anthonysinclair5721]

???????

[@saviorkakama691]

These two texts Genesis. 19 and Judges. 19 are about mankind getting to a point of rebelliousness against God so great, they seek to test Him by forcefully defiling that which he loves. Essentially they no longer believe in God so much they do the one thing that will anger him, if he exists he must act. The people of Gomorrah wanted to rape [sodomize] angels while the Benjaminites wanted to do the same to a Levite. Understanding the message these passages carry lies in knowing who the Levites were in Israeli society. They were essentially God's angels on earth. They received no land allotment or portion in the promised land but instead received God's favor. They were the tribe of priests. Though without land on which to plough and earn a living God promises to provide for their every need. They are to take a share of what is God's, the sacrifices offered by all of Israel. The Israelites are also advised to treat them well affording them both board and a meal to those living in their cities. It was believed whoever was kind to them would receive a blessing from God. Essentially they were witches who could cause a curse of blessing to be bestowed upon another. At this time, households would even hire them to stay with them so they could cause God's blessing to fall upon the household.
Hundreds of years having passed since the last miracle from God that could be observed and appreciated by all of Israel, many especially the young even begin to doubt His existence. They question the privileges' enjoyed by the Levites and decide they are going to prove that this god thing is a myth once and for all. RAPE a Levite and see what happens. Read with the Book of Romans where Paul speaks of sexual immorality and homosexuality one gets a good image of what homosexuality does to people. I am gay and have struggled understanding why the Bible would call me an abomination especially when I seek only to be allowed to exercise one of God's greatest qualities truthfully with the one I love. What I have learnt so far is that it is not just being gay that is the issue, but where you find yourself when you decide to do it. 'Knowing' its wrong before God and doing it all the same, means you get to a point were you either renounce or curse GOD. Not saying being gay is wrong or right, just the state of mind you get to.

[@senaityemane5941]

But why why doesnt the Bible say or atleast record that the man that gave up his cocubine was punished?..

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

Because for the bronze age demographic where the story comes from, that didn't matter. It's a story by and for savages.

[@roberteigen4499]

it is wrong to interpret the Old Testament via the New. Leave Jesus out of the discussion. He was born much later.

[@19perception83]

The young girl was gang-raped all night. After that was in a terrible state, so instead of helping her she was cut up into 12 pieces and delivered to the 12 tribes of Israel. Personally, I'd have left that out of the book as it's just an invitation for criticism.
I've already seen that in the comments, articles, videos, opinions of people from around the world on the net. "So why didn't God help her?" Others have criticised that God did not clearly state his disapproval and disgust.
Leaving this in does nothing to help the unbeliever other than encouraging contempt for the bible, Christians & Christianity.

[@ersturdevant2831]

The whole point of the Book of Judges is to show how the Hebrews have lost their moral focus and have abandoned God. Without God, they do what is right in their opinion. The result? Both men and women in power do evil things. Deborah decapitates her husband, Japtheth sacrifices his daughter, etc. People say " Why did n't God help?" I say " Show me where anyone in Judges asked God for help." No one ever asked God for help. God gave us free will...no one exercised the free will to ask God for help.

[@worthlessnbreathin8005]

so happy to be an agnostic. lol

[@andrewnichols800]

Um what part of all mankind is evil do you not understand?

[@gravymorales4762]

It's not that disturbing not no more disturbing before the things until you get up to that point

[@OragansDAristilde_TheChristian]

Maybe the Israelites were so bad because they didn't know about the lake of fire.

[@smellysocks189]

Bro stfu

[@picklebugers9208]

Lol im weaakkk

[@OragansDAristilde_TheChristian]

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@@picklebugers9208
How is it funny the old testament doesn't talk about the Lake of Fire. it's in the book of revelation which came much later.

[@picklebugers9208]

@@OragansDAristilde_TheChristian Lol ik that... its funny BC they think it all fun n games on earth until they realize what ahead of them in the afterlife.. I totally agreed with what you said...dont see why you gotta be oversensitive ?

[@dianevaness4776]

The Levite is believed to be the grandson of Moses. The book of Judges points to the conflict between Joseph and Judah. Just proving that Judah would eventually become the head of the tribes. The other tribes would fail miserably to the point of almost bringing them back to the brink of extinction and destruction. The most common repeated sentence in Judges. Everyone did as they saw fit. Oh and Israel had no king. They were immoral and violent, lacking leadership that was Godly.

[@jake4476]

You look like Carl Froch

[@73005]

Not boasting, but I read through the Bible every year. When I come to this particular chapter in Israel’s history, I find it to be very, very disturbing! I was alway taught to apply the word of God to my life. Nothing here is applicable. This story is just an awful scenario of what can go wrong when God is not the center of your life.

[@vincentasks]

What if the Hebrew God was created by man?

[@johnloftin2461]

Just a roughly mirrored version of Lot and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. It's not that one or the other story is true, but they are both false. It's easy to make this story a proverb if it had been found in a different book (like maybe Proverbs). These are simple stories with no divine significance. It's important to always remember The Protestants are a relatively young religion that is simply a split in Catholicism. Catholics were just a splinter from Judaism. If you wish to make true sense of the OT, I recommend Rabbis. They know Hebrew and their translation is just better and more sensible. I don't believe in their religion either, but christians would be amazed what they might find going the Rabbi route. At the end it's a man made religion from a book compiled by men and then recompiled after Luther did his 95 theses. The common thread is always man claiming divine knowledge that others don't have. Sounds suspiciously cultish.

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

The Israelites did what was right, they obeyed God. The lesson today might be the apostasy.God's living word is being trampled down by our own brothers.Rick Warren is telling us to join with false religions etc.There are many more false prophets and Teachers in our midst.

[@danawaldrop4930]

They ignore the Book of Enoch and The Q Gospel but put this gay stuff in there? smh

[@catalinpetre3845]

so Jews tribes were pretty messed up

[@funkmonster]

Why don’t you want to repeat it? It’s in the Bible. It always makes me laugh that Christians don’t want to repeat the story and yet it’s a story from the Bible. You all come off as weirdos by refusing to talk about it.

[@godschild6417]

Funkentelechy Razzamatazz Who doesn’t talk about it? He is talking about it right now and there are many Christians that do talk about it...
Also, do you constantly talk about horrible events that you’ve heard on the news? After all, it has really happened - So why keep silent about it?

[@funkmonster]

God's Child he’s not telling the full story because the full story is much more nuts.

[@sign543]

God's Child - Of course we talk about real events...we just don’t talk about genocide and gore and then pretend that God is behind it, ordering it, mandating it, approving it, etc. Anyone can clearly see that Jehovah of the Old Testament is not a moral role model at all. He’s a jealous, fitful, temperamental, angry, immature, raging monster. What these Bronze Age goat herders did was to take ancient history and then grafted in that God was over it all. It’s goofy beyond reason.

[@flower8669]

@@sign543 he's none of those things!!

[@sign543]

Jesus is lord - He is all of those things and more. Good thing he is also fictional. He is no more real than other gods who have come and gone over the course of human history: Zeus, Horus, Isis, Osiris, Odin, etc, etc. He’s just one of the latest popular ones. Go back about 6-10,000 years, and you’d find nobody who has even heard of your god, since there was no goat herders who’d invented him yet. Before the middle eastern Bronze Age patriarchal nomads and farmers, the most popular gods were those with names like Ra and Utu...these were sun gods, and most cultures had their favorite one or ones. The Abrahamic god came about in a part of the world where dust was the most common plentiful natural resource, and incest and inbreeding were the order of the day, and they invented a volcano god who eventually emerged in the pages of the Old Testament with a mysterious name that nobody even really knows since those manuscripts are forever lost. Your god’s history is already evolving; for thousands of years, the idea of him ruled over just one religion. Since that time, the religious belief has splintered and branched out into what we now know of as the 3 largest monotheistic religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. We also now have even newer, but far less popular strains: Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. This is a natural evolution of any religion, and it will continue this way probably for thousands of more years, but the influence of this religious idea will wane more more as the idea splinters more and more into smaller, less potent sects. Until one day, if humanity lasts that long, nobody will really worship this god anymore, and he will go the way of Ra, Zeus, Osiris...and all of the other ancient gods.

[@Studio215official]

Yahweh is a Canaanite god of the desert. STOP calling our Lord and savior Jehovah by the name of a pagan false god.

[@jamgill9054]

Why just pull Judges 19? The bible is full of horrific stories! All these horrific stories to achieve what? This video narrator to gleefully announce that we are terrible and deserve God's wrath. Why follow such a god?

[@munbruk]

I guess it was a made up story, a plagiarism of the story of Lut.

[@thuscomeguerriero]

You dont find this type of literature in the Tao the Ching, the Dhammapada, the Analects of Confucius, the Upanishapd, the Bhagavita..I mean I AM a Christian.
But what the bloody boo boos is this all about? What Christian would want to LIVE the Old Testament..seriously?

[@sboloshis1188]

one thus come it’s the reality of the age. They sacrificed babies and wanted sexual immorality. The world is sick, it’s good to not sugar coat the fact rapists and murderers exist and sometimes work together to do evil. There is more to this story I’m certain but I can’t put it together yet.

[@thuscomeguerriero]

@@sboloshis1188
I believe in the Lord Jesus.
I believe he is risen.
But even if he weren't I would still argue that we should take his yoke upon us and learn from him as a teacher and revealer of the Kingdom of God.
I have not lived with the Old Testament enough to make definitive statements on it. With that said I can't imagine living in a world where capital punishment for adultery, working on the Sabbath, dishonoring parents, etc
was real.
Then I think of our Lord. How DIFFERENT he was and what a scandal he was because of his seeming excessive tolerance.
Telling us to NOT requite wrong with "justice" but prayers and forgiveness.
To love our enemies those who spitefully use and persecute.
Where is that in the Old Testament?
Where was any of that during Joshua's war campaign against Canaan?
Jesus was DIFFERENT. And THAT is why he said you can not sew a new patch on old cloth, or put new wine in new wineskins.
The way I see it our Lord was not misunderstood. They understood him clearly, and what he was teaching was to many contrary to the teachings of Moses.
To my admittedly unschooled eye the teachings of our Lord were a negative commentary on his contemporaries.
Put our Lord center stage in the old Testament..anywhere at all.
Does out Lord not seem out of place there?
I only ask the questions because I want to be a good student of our Lord.
But to so I must ask them.
I cannot NOT avoid questions that impose themselves on me.
Bless

[@sboloshis1188]

one thus come -_ Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” ( Men make laws that are unjust and men sin. God is perfect, not one thing beyond salvation in Christ is different. It’s just a very ugly world that frankly might be worse now. All the Disney movies in the world can’t change the reality they try to mask. We need to have guts enough to look at the world for how it is and then know that we are not part of this but something far better.

[@ersturdevant2831]

The Old Testament is a book of Law, history, prophecy, morals. Read the Book of Proverbs and the Book of Sirach (Catholic Bible). You will find that they closely parallel the teaching s of Confucius, Taoism, etc.

[@daxbruce3491]

I think that's kinda the point of Jesus, to FREE you from old testament law.

[@rastamouse89]

exactly, u are no better than Christ, only the pagan ways can redeem you in your search for purism

[@TheBowersj]

Reads like witchcraft to me, perhaps someone is casting spells on the scriptures again...

[@realchurch2693]

Or, God and then the men of Israel don't think women have equal value as men. Your attempt at apologetics is cute though.