Hey Great video, i am looking at getting the 4070ti model with the 13700f at a good price but was wondering how the noise of the system you reviewed was when closed up. Got rid of my old desktop a year ago for a laptop with a dedicated GPU which is a lot quiter so want to make sure this does not produce a lot of noise.
@naveensarvananthan5875 I mean, the fans are noisy. Acer doesn't have quiet fans down yet, but you can swap them at a later time for a pretty low cost. Very interesting you found a laptop to be quiet, this will be more background wirring, vs flight deck of an aircraft carrier (gaming laptop) with much better performance.
Is it upgradable? Want to be able to swap gpu maybe cpu in the future and am wondering if motherboard too i took a look at the back the cutout doesn’t seen to fit any aftermarket motherboard
It definitely is upgradeable! CPU for sure! (see the livestream where I actually downgrade the PO5000 and find out my main MB is shot) GPU definitely can, too, but you may not be able to get the overkill GPU bracket to connect to the new one. The motherboard layout is a standard ATX, so it should work, you just might have to make sure all cooler parts and such are installed prior to mounting in the case. You'll also have a useless m.2 mount on the right side for the no longer aimed off the MB second m.2 slot, probably.
I believe there's a few screws that hold the whole front panel on, I was certain someone else in these comments discovered the way to open it up (for cleaning), but I can't seem to find it in the YT Studio panel.
Found the comment, it was on a livestream I did in October, the viewer said, "The moment i googled ''Acer Predator Orion 5000 manual'' i found the perfect PDF i needed! Even with pictures and pointers! PERFECT! Got it Open! On the bottom is a little screw! Both sidewalls down and pull the front!" So it looks like it should just be a little screw on the bottom to bring it down! Hope that helps!
@@Accounting4Cycling Yeah, that one I found the firsthand. But it did not helped. I think those plastic parts from inside are holding pannel. It means I need more disassemble than I thought to get to the front fans. Now put front and back fans to lowest RPMs, change of CPU liquid radiator wants, also helped, still feel like in a factory, but it is better. Currently just three things I don't like about this setup: 1) All Fan noise 2) No USB4/Thunderbolt4 3) Very bad positioning of PCIE and only two on board. Need more. (Any splitter recommendations?) What I already changed: 1) CPU cooler fans. 2) wifi card to Wifi7 3) Added 10Gbps network card 4) Added more USB-C card.
@MikeDyson99 I think that's a good price! It'd be hard to find an i7-12700F and RTX 3080 for that price. Including 32GB of DDR5 RAM, a motherboard, storage, and a case is a nice bonus!
My CPU temp seems to be running a little hot at times. The fans will ramp up and down continuously. I honestly don’t mind spending money to put something else, but not sure what would be compatible?
I believe the motherboard is just using a standard Intel LGA 1700 cooler mount (at least 12-14th gen mount). The case is definitely wide enough to allow for a larger air coolers and the fan mounts in front and top should allow for a 240-280mm water cooler. In a different system I have, I swapped the tiny Intel stock cooler (much smaller than the Acer one, which I believe is made by Cooler Master) with an ARTIC Freezer 34 Duo. It's reasonably priced (~US$50) and very quiet, but I've also heard excellent things about the Noctua NH-D15 (US$120) for keeping even the hottest CPUs cool! GamersNexus has a lot of detailed videos on almost any cooler you can imagine, too. In my main editing & gaming rig, which is where the 13700F & RTX 3070 were transplanted, I use a Razer Hanbo 240mm AIO liquid cooler. It's a fine cooler, but a little on the pricier end and held hostage by Razer Synapse. Prior to being sent the Hanbo, I was looking into the Corsair H100 and the NZXT Kraken 240mm AIOs.
@@Accounting4Cycling Thanks for responding again bro! I really appreciate your time. I found a Noctua NH-U12A that I think I am going to get. How hard is it to replace the cooler though? Would I have to pull out the motherboard? I am a newbie lol, but feel confident I can figure it out with right direction!
It's not too bad, the back panel of the case comes off to help make it even easier. No need to remove the motherboard for most cooler installs, big thing to remember is to reapply thermal paste with the new cooler (unless it comes with some on it, some do) and make sure to be grounded with some kind of anti-static device. I did a livestream of extracting the CPU out of the Predator Orion, not really helpful for installing a cooler in that system, but there are tons of tutorials out there, it's how I learned how to do it, too! Good luck!
Hi, thanks for watching! Sorry for the delayed response, there is a light amount of "standard" bloatware, but nothing that can't be removed without having to do a fresh Windows install. Though, with the Windows lighting control for RGB, you might be able to get away without Predator Sense, too! The most annoying to get rid of, if you choose to, is Predator Sense and Acer's support stuff.
@@Accounting4Cycling thanks for the response I ended up doing a fresh install of windows and then just reinstalling predator Sense for the fan control and rgb control since none of the other software I used detected all the fans
With Acer you really only pay for the name, the idle cpu temperatures in the 40 range are just not okay. I might achieve something like that in gaming and I have a 240 aio for my cpu... The case also looks simply rotten in terms of airflow. For the same price you get much more offered which also concerns a decent cooling.
I'd recommend it, especially if you're not looking at building your own right out of the gate. The components can definitely be updated, switched out, removed, or moved into a different case if you'd like. I think this is a great all around "starter" gaming desktop. It's gets you started with a powerful CPU, GPU, and RAM combination that can handle just about everything at full settings. There's even a second m.2 for another NVMe SSD and the pre-wired SATA bays on the bottom of the case is a nice touch for upgradeability. I actually transplanted the CPU & GPU from the Orion 5000 into my main desktop editing/gaming rig, while putting my old i7-12700F and older 3070 into the Orion 5000. I even tested an i3-12100 in it out of curiosity, the i3 was obviously a massive bottleneck!😂 If you can find the updated version with a 4070, that's a cool option, but the 3070 is a solid GPU! The link in the description should bring you to the page on Amazon that has the different configurations, too. (I may earn a commission from the Amazon Affiliate links)
@@Accounting4Cycling omg thank you very much for responding with great detail, I was actually looking at the version with the 4070, I had doubts with the price being so low, but seeing what you told me I will opt for this PC, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Stay away from it. In Acer pcs you can't upgrade anything because they rivet their motherboard to the case. The power supply is also only made for the case and you can never install it in a new case. The only thing you can change is the ram and possibly the ssd and HDD. Please let a professional put together a decent PC for the same price.
@sullymaster96 I mean, that just an outright lie. You can, and I have, change out every major component in this machine. Motherboard, PSU, GPU, even the case if you really want to! I literally hold up the motherboard from the 2022 Predator Orion, still in working order, btw, during this video! The 2022 Predator Orion case was sold with the old internals of my editing PC installed in it. No rivets required! The purpose of the Predator series is to be upgradable, tinkerer friendly, and possibly built in and/or built on. I get what you're trying to say, have a PC built for you because it'll be better overall, but not everyone wants to go through that. Some want a good system, still built by professionals, with an inclusive warranty, and cohesive software. Please, leave the recommendations to the professionals and refrain from broad, disparaging remarks until you've at least watched the video enough to make an informed comment. Thank you for watching!
@@Accounting4Cycling Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the new series from Acer, I had the Orion 3000 at the time and the motherboard was an Acer creation, so you couldn't detach it from the case because it was glued so hard that you would have destroyed it when you removed it, the power supply was from a no-name brand that nobody knows and was designed for 500 watts, which would have been far too little for the system. Just because they have changed a few things now .... doesn't change the fact that Acer builds poorly thought-out PCs that are simply miserable in terms of cooling and you just get more performance out of it for the same money, as I said.
There should be a thin cable with a 3 or 4 pin rectangular head at the end, it may have shaken loose in transit. If that's the case, you just have to plug it back in and it should be back up and glowing!
There should be a program installed called "PredatorSense" where you can change the color of the different LEDs, including the fans. You can also enable the RGB control in Windows settings under personalization > Dynamic Lighting, I don't know if the Acer RGB controls will work with that process at this time, but it's worth checking out! Thanks for watching!
There's an occupied NVMe SSD slot just under the CPU and just above the top PCIe x16 slot, the other sticks off the side of the motherboard to the right, with the securing screw actually off the motherboard on the backplate of the case. It actually looks like the "riser" on the back of the case for the second drive, truly absurd location and design! 😂 You can also connect SATA SSDs via the drive trays on the bottom right of the case interior (cabling already in place, too).
@JakobyG it'll be a bit janky, but I'm sure there's a way. The case is not really designed for it, but you could always inset the GPU a bit with a bracket inside the case.
@@Accounting4Cycling Yes, the upgrades I put in it was a pain in the butt, I was somehow able to put a AK620 Deepcool air cpu cooler in there, but I had to use the screws that came with the pc it self, but what doesnt make senese is that the screws that came with the cooler, fit into my pc where the other screws were that I had to take out to secure the coolers brackets?? It also sucks that I got Lian li and NZXT fans, but only one of the lian li fans works for the rgb software for the pc, the rest is just the fan rgb it self and the mirror look in the middle. The NZXT fans I got for the front, fan speed and look is really nice, but I had to buy a 4-pin to 3-pin adapter for the rgb to even work, plus I had to daisy chain to other fans so it could work, only like the top rgb lights work on one fan and then the other is only the right side of the fan. Also, there is no 9 pin usb hub for the Lian Li or the NZXT hub controllers. I found a usb adapter that plugs into the big blu plug in at the bottom of the motherboard, ill give that a try and see how it goes. Just some tips or warning for otheres who are going to get this pc.👍👍
Predator is going to have better thermals, though by a small margin. Ultimately, it's more up to size and what looks good to you... however the Acer and Lenovo are going to offer substantially better upgradability and repairability down the line. The R16 improved a ton from prior versions... but it's still a hot box with proprietary guts.
@@hurstod533 You definitely can, the thing is built to be added to and modified. It's a very strange case, but you can pop just about any standard ATX motherboard in there, any power supply, the two pre-wired SATA 3.5" bays are a nice touch, too! It's a nice machine. The motherboard has the only non-standard part and that is the m.2 slot that sticks off the side and mounts to the case.
I see the XMP was disabled on yours as well. Gimping the memory performance
@sugarmaker67 A staple of big brand builds, it at least has dual channel RAM! 😅
Hey Great video, i am looking at getting the 4070ti model with the 13700f at a good price but was wondering how the noise of the system you reviewed was when closed up. Got rid of my old desktop a year ago for a laptop with a dedicated GPU which is a lot quiter so want to make sure this does not produce a lot of noise.
@naveensarvananthan5875 I mean, the fans are noisy. Acer doesn't have quiet fans down yet, but you can swap them at a later time for a pretty low cost. Very interesting you found a laptop to be quiet, this will be more background wirring, vs flight deck of an aircraft carrier (gaming laptop) with much better performance.
Did you figure out how to get XMP enabled? Mine is greyed out and can’t get it to work.
I wasn't able to get it working again before I sold the rig. I hope they open it up in a BIOS update, everything in there supports higher speed RAM
Still grayed out in the 14700k version as well
Is it upgradable? Want to be able to swap gpu maybe cpu in the future and am wondering if motherboard too i took a look at the back the cutout doesn’t seen to fit any aftermarket motherboard
It definitely is upgradeable! CPU for sure! (see the livestream where I actually downgrade the PO5000 and find out my main MB is shot) GPU definitely can, too, but you may not be able to get the overkill GPU bracket to connect to the new one. The motherboard layout is a standard ATX, so it should work, you just might have to make sure all cooler parts and such are installed prior to mounting in the case. You'll also have a useless m.2 mount on the right side for the no longer aimed off the MB second m.2 slot, probably.
Do you know how to remove front pannel so I can change front fans (140mm).
I believe there's a few screws that hold the whole front panel on, I was certain someone else in these comments discovered the way to open it up (for cleaning), but I can't seem to find it in the YT Studio panel.
Found the comment, it was on a livestream I did in October, the viewer said,
"The moment i googled ''Acer Predator Orion 5000 manual'' i found the perfect PDF i needed! Even with pictures and pointers! PERFECT!
Got it Open! On the bottom is a little screw! Both sidewalls down and pull the front!"
So it looks like it should just be a little screw on the bottom to bring it down! Hope that helps!
@@Accounting4Cycling Yeah, that one I found the firsthand. But it did not helped. I think those plastic parts from inside are holding pannel. It means I need more disassemble than I thought to get to the front fans. Now put front and back fans to lowest RPMs, change of CPU liquid radiator wants, also helped, still feel like in a factory, but it is better.
Currently just three things I don't like about this setup:
1) All Fan noise
2) No USB4/Thunderbolt4
3) Very bad positioning of PCIE and only two on board. Need more. (Any splitter recommendations?)
What I already changed:
1) CPU cooler fans.
2) wifi card to Wifi7
3) Added 10Gbps network card
4) Added more USB-C card.
Would you buy one for 700 used in good condition?
Wirh 3080 and 12. i7 and 32gb Ram
@MikeDyson99 I think that's a good price! It'd be hard to find an i7-12700F and RTX 3080 for that price. Including 32GB of DDR5 RAM, a motherboard, storage, and a case is a nice bonus!
My CPU temp seems to be running a little hot at times. The fans will ramp up and down continuously. I honestly don’t mind spending money to put something else, but not sure what would be compatible?
I believe the motherboard is just using a standard Intel LGA 1700 cooler mount (at least 12-14th gen mount). The case is definitely wide enough to allow for a larger air coolers and the fan mounts in front and top should allow for a 240-280mm water cooler. In a different system I have, I swapped the tiny Intel stock cooler (much smaller than the Acer one, which I believe is made by Cooler Master) with an ARTIC Freezer 34 Duo. It's reasonably priced (~US$50) and very quiet, but I've also heard excellent things about the Noctua NH-D15 (US$120) for keeping even the hottest CPUs cool! GamersNexus has a lot of detailed videos on almost any cooler you can imagine, too.
In my main editing & gaming rig, which is where the 13700F & RTX 3070 were transplanted, I use a Razer Hanbo 240mm AIO liquid cooler. It's a fine cooler, but a little on the pricier end and held hostage by Razer Synapse. Prior to being sent the Hanbo, I was looking into the Corsair H100 and the NZXT Kraken 240mm AIOs.
@@Accounting4Cycling Thanks for responding again bro! I really appreciate your time.
I found a Noctua NH-U12A that I think I am going to get. How hard is it to replace the cooler though? Would I have to pull out the motherboard? I am a newbie lol, but feel confident I can figure it out with right direction!
It's not too bad, the back panel of the case comes off to help make it even easier. No need to remove the motherboard for most cooler installs, big thing to remember is to reapply thermal paste with the new cooler (unless it comes with some on it, some do) and make sure to be grounded with some kind of anti-static device. I did a livestream of extracting the CPU out of the Predator Orion, not really helpful for installing a cooler in that system, but there are tons of tutorials out there, it's how I learned how to do it, too! Good luck!
Does the pc come with any bloatware i know it has predatorsense anything else
Hi, thanks for watching! Sorry for the delayed response, there is a light amount of "standard" bloatware, but nothing that can't be removed without having to do a fresh Windows install. Though, with the Windows lighting control for RGB, you might be able to get away without Predator Sense, too! The most annoying to get rid of, if you choose to, is Predator Sense and Acer's support stuff.
@@Accounting4Cycling thanks for the response I ended up doing a fresh install of windows and then just reinstalling predator Sense for the fan control and rgb control since none of the other software I used detected all the fans
With Acer you really only pay for the name, the idle cpu temperatures in the 40 range are just not okay. I might achieve something like that in gaming and I have a 240 aio for my cpu... The case also looks simply rotten in terms of airflow. For the same price you get much more offered which also concerns a decent cooling.
would you recommend this PC? And most importantly, can the components be updated? I have serious doubts because of the low cost of this PC.
I'd recommend it, especially if you're not looking at building your own right out of the gate. The components can definitely be updated, switched out, removed, or moved into a different case if you'd like. I think this is a great all around "starter" gaming desktop. It's gets you started with a powerful CPU, GPU, and RAM combination that can handle just about everything at full settings. There's even a second m.2 for another NVMe SSD and the pre-wired SATA bays on the bottom of the case is a nice touch for upgradeability.
I actually transplanted the CPU & GPU from the Orion 5000 into my main desktop editing/gaming rig, while putting my old i7-12700F and older 3070 into the Orion 5000. I even tested an i3-12100 in it out of curiosity, the i3 was obviously a massive bottleneck!😂
If you can find the updated version with a 4070, that's a cool option, but the 3070 is a solid GPU! The link in the description should bring you to the page on Amazon that has the different configurations, too. (I may earn a commission from the Amazon Affiliate links)
@@Accounting4Cycling omg thank you very much for responding with great detail, I was actually looking at the version with the 4070, I had doubts with the price being so low, but seeing what you told me I will opt for this PC, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Stay away from it. In Acer pcs you can't upgrade anything because they rivet their motherboard to the case. The power supply is also only made for the case and you can never install it in a new case. The only thing you can change is the ram and possibly the ssd and HDD. Please let a professional put together a decent PC for the same price.
@sullymaster96 I mean, that just an outright lie. You can, and I have, change out every major component in this machine. Motherboard, PSU, GPU, even the case if you really want to! I literally hold up the motherboard from the 2022 Predator Orion, still in working order, btw, during this video! The 2022 Predator Orion case was sold with the old internals of my editing PC installed in it. No rivets required! The purpose of the Predator series is to be upgradable, tinkerer friendly, and possibly built in and/or built on.
I get what you're trying to say, have a PC built for you because it'll be better overall, but not everyone wants to go through that. Some want a good system, still built by professionals, with an inclusive warranty, and cohesive software. Please, leave the recommendations to the professionals and refrain from broad, disparaging remarks until you've at least watched the video enough to make an informed comment.
Thank you for watching!
@@Accounting4Cycling Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the new series from Acer, I had the Orion 3000 at the time and the motherboard was an Acer creation, so you couldn't detach it from the case because it was glued so hard that you would have destroyed it when you removed it, the power supply was from a no-name brand that nobody knows and was designed for 500 watts, which would have been far too little for the system. Just because they have changed a few things now .... doesn't change the fact that Acer builds poorly thought-out PCs that are simply miserable in terms of cooling and you just get more performance out of it for the same money, as I said.
Where is the LED cable cord? My LED aren’t turning on
There should be a thin cable with a 3 or 4 pin rectangular head at the end, it may have shaken loose in transit. If that's the case, you just have to plug it back in and it should be back up and glowing!
how do i change the color of the fans
There should be a program installed called "PredatorSense" where you can change the color of the different LEDs, including the fans. You can also enable the RGB control in Windows settings under personalization > Dynamic Lighting, I don't know if the Acer RGB controls will work with that process at this time, but it's worth checking out!
Thanks for watching!
Where can I put the ssds?
There's an occupied NVMe SSD slot just under the CPU and just above the top PCIe x16 slot, the other sticks off the side of the motherboard to the right, with the securing screw actually off the motherboard on the backplate of the case. It actually looks like the "riser" on the back of the case for the second drive, truly absurd location and design! 😂
You can also connect SATA SSDs via the drive trays on the bottom right of the case interior (cabling already in place, too).
@@Accounting4Cycling care to take a video?
What is the gpu PCIE gen?
It is PCIe Gen 4 x16 for GPU compatibility. Thanks for watching!
@@Accounting4Cycling no problem man, im wanting to do a vert gpu mount on this pc, i have the same one, do you think it would work?
@JakobyG it'll be a bit janky, but I'm sure there's a way. The case is not really designed for it, but you could always inset the GPU a bit with a bracket inside the case.
@@Accounting4Cycling ok thank you so much man
@@Accounting4Cycling Yes, the upgrades I put in it was a pain in the butt, I was somehow able to put a AK620 Deepcool air cpu cooler in there, but I had to use the screws that came with the pc it self, but what doesnt make senese is that the screws that came with the cooler, fit into my pc where the other screws were that I had to take out to secure the coolers brackets?? It also sucks that I got Lian li and NZXT fans, but only one of the lian li fans works for the rgb software for the pc, the rest is just the fan rgb it self and the mirror look in the middle. The NZXT fans I got for the front, fan speed and look is really nice, but I had to buy a 4-pin to 3-pin adapter for the rgb to even work, plus I had to daisy chain to other fans so it could work, only like the top rgb lights work on one fan and then the other is only the right side of the fan. Also, there is no 9 pin usb hub for the Lian Li or the NZXT hub controllers. I found a usb adapter that plugs into the big blu plug in at the bottom of the motherboard, ill give that a try and see how it goes. Just some tips or warning for otheres who are going to get this pc.👍👍
Hopefully your on.
I’m at store now.
Alienware R16 for $2100
Orion 5000 $1899
Lenovo 5i $2000
All same specs 4070 ti Super
I7- 14700 f
32gb ram
Predator is going to have better thermals, though by a small margin. Ultimately, it's more up to size and what looks good to you... however the Acer and Lenovo are going to offer substantially better upgradability and repairability down the line. The R16 improved a ton from prior versions... but it's still a hot box with proprietary guts.
Thinking of getting Orion
Can I add to it later?
@@Accounting4Cycling will this be good enough to play Cyberpunk, Red Dead, and COD maxed out? I’m so lost lol
@@hurstod533 You definitely can, the thing is built to be added to and modified. It's a very strange case, but you can pop just about any standard ATX motherboard in there, any power supply, the two pre-wired SATA 3.5" bays are a nice touch, too! It's a nice machine. The motherboard has the only non-standard part and that is the m.2 slot that sticks off the side and mounts to the case.