D&D Story: Tragedy + Time = More Tragedy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- This video is broken up into two sections. First story is about metagaming when we fought a shadow monster and the second part involves Bohdi Treeshadow. (Corrections: A few issues in this video. First, I think I mispelled his name on the gravestone. Might be Bohdi not Bhodi. Second, I actually messed up a few things in the Crown of Madness description. The spell uses someone's action. However, a valid target has to be within melee range. If there's no valid target, the target then gets to take their turn as normal. Since there's no one near the Bard at the time, he gets his action.)
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Ben during the first half: We were pretty stupid back when began 5e haha
Ben during the second half: *The dad of two of our characters has it rough*
"We got someone killed, you should feel bad!" - Overly Sarcastic Productions, allegedly.
nothing to add to that, just wanted to say i like your picture. catra is awesome. have a nice day.
"They had us in the second half, not gonna lie"
NPC: gets stabbed in the jugular and proceeds to bleed out
Player: don't worry, he only received 2 points of damage
Ya
Then you learn that your average level 0 npc only has a D4 hit points and he could very easily be killed by that 2 damage
if he's stabbed while helpless that's a coup de grace: free crit and fortitude check (DC10 plus damage to not instantly die)
though this rule does not officially exist in 5e, there are unofficial rules to cover it, free crit and prompting death saves
@@ChibiKami Except the person shown isn't really in a helpless position. And you gotta be careful about how you define that, if a simple grapple is all that it takes to make someone helpless those grapple builds have just turned any grappleable opponents into 1 shot chumps.
Better to either explicitly separate plot wounds from normal combat wounds or only take level 0 hostages.
@@tinkerer3399 I'd home brew that because DnD character's HP pool generally shows they haven't taken a 'serious wound' yet, nothing that couldn't be addressed by bandages or a basic healing spell and all that. In this case if someone has a sword to your neck/throat I might as a DM rule not only can they attack as a reaction (burrowing from anima) but it's counted as if it's a touch attack for the purposes of AC and depending on the wound type deals a flat percentage of your overall HP based on a D20 of course. Basically, you might survive but probably shouldn't try it if you're even close to half health.
We also had a moment of "Don't daggers only do 2 damage?" but we also argue that when someone is obviously held in a helpless position any attack can be treated as a Coup de Grace. Home rulings like these are a GODSEND in games like GURPS or Shadowrun where any enemy you find yourself against is probably wearing so much armor a pistol won't even tickle him, but if you sneak up and put the gun up under his helmet, it's GOING to kill him regardless of damage.
when in doubt, always assume that the throat is slit
I think Coup De Grace is a game rule extending back to at least 3.5e. Targets labelled "helpless" can be forced into a really tough save or die roll.
@@ebonslayer3321 yes but how often do you get someone in a position that is truly "Helpless"? There are hardly any maneuvers in the game that allow that without ridiculous rolls or specific abilities, it's much easier to just have the GM fiat it and say "This will be a lethal attack"
Yeah, health, armor class, and damage rolls in DnD are meant for combat, like actual combat, if you slit a throat with a dagger you should probably go with instant death if it fits as a DM.
My answer to that is simple. It is a event. Basic rules don't apply.
not gonna lie, if i was a bad guy in D&D and a wizard just lifted a hefty table over their head and snapped it like a twig
id be like "im out!! im not getting paid enough for this shit"
*casts anti-magic field*
"Ha, now you're powerless"
*weak-looking lady wizard rolls up sleeves*
"I'm not locked in here with you..."
Bladesinger
Perfect, you now have an excellent villain back story. Father Treeshadow: the Withered.
And thus Pinwheel was born
Necromancy's a bitch!
*DD ancestor voice*
"A father of two down on his luck : once lost all what he cherished, now, his mind as well"
@@SoftNapkins *throws rock at Pineheel*
Damn... Reminds me of the first character death I ever ran. While it was a NPC member of the party. It shocked everyone as much as a players death. The real kicker of it all was, that the NPC was gonna be a father and now, wouldn't see his daughter be born. With the rogue now taking the mantle to protect the mother and child
Aww!
Dude. Rouge totally NTRd a dead guys wife and kid😂
"The bush they played hide and seek behind."
Must have been some quick games of hide and seek.
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One of my favorite things is to make player deaths retroactively important: in one case, the dead guy was a prince who ran away in secret, and the rogue (his best friend,) used disguise to pretend to be him long enough to resolve a civil war, and create a republic.
It was pretty amazing.
That is awesome! And I'll bet it made the players feel warm and fuzzy, and not grieve the death so much, too.
A puffin speak translation: “ this isint that bad” equals “this is the worst and troubles me deeply”
Holy shit, didn't think we'd get to hear more from the Mind Axe character Ben played.
I actually like all the ways to make stats. Standard array and point buy for balanced characters, one with a bit more variability. And rolling for stats leads to some hilarious characters, a friend of mine had a six year old character with the strength of 18, not even a half orc
Probably was related to Mudarra from the Seven Infants of Alarah.
Ok, BUT... Why a six year old?
@@azathoththe3rd Why not?
@@azathoththe3rd Rolled stats first, then thought it would be funny. Didn’t get to have much shenanigans due to the campaign lasting like three sessions
@UC4Qcgo9BOIgLpjtejIMSvXA Big oof lol. But a cool idea for stats, and it’s a (kind-of-)parody? Gonna have to look it up now
Puffin’s back. WHOOOOOOO!
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@@adamka-1 nice
@@adamka-1 Please stop, to much logic for me!
@@thedeaforc It would seem, under current circumstances, that the author of the previous literary reaction is under no pressing compulsion to relent continuation of their self-assigned quest, of which is not an unreasonable conclusion, based on the semantic qualities of this short responsive statement of yours. The overabundance of, regarding the subjective capacity of which you have presented for there to be, related to the expression and utilization of, in regards to the syntax and underverbalized semantics of the original conclusive short statement, the presence of logical thinking, is, unless intentions outside of of the terms dictionary-determined meaning was intended, such as the the utilization of slang-based expressions, utterly misplaced, since the author of the literary reaction was conclusively utilizing high-complexity terminology and explaining to the reader what could be considered subtext of the original literary piece, whilst additionally expressing the Latin origin of the avian species for which Puffin is named, which is not an inherently logical endeavor, as it is a factual uttering, only to then describe the intention of the onomatopoeia of preference of the original conclusive short statement, of which is at the level of commonness, that such action would be considered outside the realm of necessity.
@@RasmusVJS Well read. So then your next novel due to come out?
Huh, funny. GLaDOS told me something completely different.
@Esseks,
Well hear we are again
Except we’re long forgotten
Just give it *more* time. And a meaner audience.
The cake is a lie
Then again, GLaDOS is a potato... ya know, the things you boil, mash and stick in stews... also birds.
Yeah she did
Nice to see Alagaros back again and very shocked to hear he had an INT of 12
To be fair, a character is only as smart as their player. Lol
Well, he has a mind axe!
I almost didn't recognize Aligaros and Katya... your art has clearly improved
It's been so long since we last saw Aligaros and Katia in a video, and I am _so_ impressed with how much Ben has improved.
I roll Coup De Gras rules with daggers when necessary.
"Oh yea, you can totally wait and see if it only does 1d4 damage."
The daggers are an example of a thing called gameplay and story segregation.
Wouldn't that be Ludonarrative Dissonance?
@@b3rz3rk3r9 Not exactly that is one example. An example would be the Halo series having you die if fall from to a high place despite the games and novels having some of the same characters survive a fall from orbit. A dagger in gameplay terms doesn't do much damage in D&D but for the sake of the story it can still a person because DM can use rule zero to decide it brings a character down to 0HP.
Or in an RPG with story deaths when you carry around items that can revive them.
@@emberfist8347 glad that fall damage isn’t really a thing in Halo anymore
@@emberfist8347 like in some videogames were u have a dagger that does damage but if you attack from behind you can insta kill
Now I imagine Slenderman speaks entirely in internet abbreviations.
Lol, lmao
I love puffins videos. So glad he posted another one
His videos have always been good. From the start to now.
Wait, katia was the wizard with aligaros. So aligaros has 12 int, also how does mine axe work then?
His brain is so powerful that he managed to wish into existence
was it a Spiritual Weapon? It's a cleric spell, so it probably used Wisdom, not Intelligence
DiamondAppendix iirc correctly it was some sort of psionic thing
DiamondAppendix isn't that spell level 2?
@@justnoob8141 Spiritual Weapon is indeed a level 2 spell iirc
Wow... This went from being pretty lighthearted to a dark and depressing ending. It just felt so surprising that it ended on that note. Great video!
Yeah, felt bad for the characters that died and I barely even know them!
I wave when people can't see me waving too puffin. It's just how we do.
New Puffin?! Sorry sleep; you're going to have to wait.
This guy is awesome, you rock puffin!!
I know, right?!?!
Dude seriously underrated the danger of daggers just because he was high level. That lvl 0 hostage could easily die from a dagger, hell most wizards fear daggers until the mid levels because of how squishy they are.
And I say unto you:
"Wow! That was sad."
Yo JC what class do you usually play?
Ayo my home slice
@@SassyCassie89 "Cleric hands down, but I had played a Bard once."
@@RNJesusVtuber fair, that makes a lot of sense. So uh is it true the last supper was actually just a massive game of 3.5?
@@SassyCassie89 no.... it was 2e. Judas betrayed me because I asked for his THAC0
I was going to go to bed but I guess it can wait 8 minutes….
Ah, so Alagaros got to experience some amazing character growth through the tragedy, right? He had such a good bsckstory
Just made my night. I love seeing your animations about past experiences.
Lol, I feel like everyone's first 5e game is marked by not knowing how Crown of Madness works, haha. My Kenku wizard was piloting an orge like a Gundam. XD
ALSO AHHH HOLY CRAP, thank you so much for the shout-out Puffin! That was so nice, imma cry now. ;u;
Wait, where's your check mark? Not all creators have one?
Hi Jess! hope you're doing good!
I really liked how the emotions go through these stories
I hope brew that when you have someone tied up restrained(not the condition) or other wise fully incapacitated. Attacking to kill is instantly down to death saves. Like cutting someone’s throat shouldn’t be 1d4+dex and maybe sneak attack. Like damage in dnd is weird because normal people have 5 hp and a +1 to dex so it makes sense that a dagger only does 1d4. But at higher levels the damage scaling is insanely weird
I tend to resort to a much simpler and older rule - referred to on TV Tropes as the Chunky Salsa Rule. "Any situation that would reduce a character's head to the consistency of chunky salsa dip is fatal, regardless of other rules."
In other words - even if the hostage NPC is a 20th level Barbarian who's unconscious from a drug or the like and unable to rage, and the villain is able to take their time and properly open up an artery, then he's bleedin' out pretty damn quick. As in I'd just set them instantly to zero HP, regardless of how much they had, with one pre-failed death save. Harsh? Probably. But it means a hostage situation with a blade already pressed to a major artery has actual stakes to it.
Interesting stuff! Glad you're back!
We usually considered moments when a character was being held a knife point as "coup de grace" moments. Regardless of damage it was usually understood that they were defenseless and entirely at their captors mercy.
The deaths of characters on the other hand... We often had players that had watched Dragon Ball, so a slew of bad luck was seen as an opportunity to find a sage who could help us use Wish.
Anyone else reminiscing on his Call of Cthulu and Curse of Strahd campaigns? Easily my favorite videos. Story and voice acting were fantastic.
It’s good to see you back, Puffin.
Good to see your stuff again.
Last time I tried to use a Slendy-esq monster my players managed to retcon it into having a debilitating weakness, then get an invisible elephant to sit on it.
I don't even care what this is about I'm just upvoting this immediately
5:28 5:50
I cant help but feel that these moments of somber mourning are somewhat undercut by the characters' lack of knees
When I first following your stories, I had never played DnD before. Now that I am playing in an encounter type league.. getting my feet wet. I have a new found appreciation for these vids. I will have so much fun rewatching these
Title: Tragedy+ Time=More Tragedy
Me: Of course like we have seen happen in all the other adventures of Ben
Just subscribed. Been bingeing on episodes. Haven't played D&D in decades (still play MTG tho lol). Thx for the entertainment, your storytelling is superb.
Gonna hold the voice of Abserd against you tho...I can't get it out of my head. Keep up the good work sir.
Glad to see new content! I've missed your stuff, and have rewatched a lot of the older videos so many times, I can almost quote a couple verbatim (prime example: the one about Detective Detective, Savage "Savage Rage" Rage)
Tragedy makes for some of the best D&D moments in my opinion. I will always remember my first character death, fighting a boss. My character died to max damage critical, but managed to deal a nearly fatal blow. It had a heavy impact on the party, and his body was returned to the Guild Hall. His picture was put up in the Hall in his memory.
Nice to see a new, return to form, video. It had been a while since we got an old school hand drawn story. Thanks to ya Ben.
So great to see a new video! You rock Puffin, keep these great stories and animations coming!
The father's character would work perfectly for an NPC that players find in the woods. What a backstory. The interactions would be great.
His -sadness- unfathomable misfortune feeds my creativity and there's nothing you can do about it.
Every one of your videos makes me calm beyond reason. Love you ben thank you for these little joyous moments in life❤
"Randomized stats are weird."
Yeah, I had a lanky elf druid that could carry basically twice her weight and lift almost 4x, while still being graceful and smart as heck.
best story was the bard's crown.
what a delightful rant
I was already considering pledging to that first Kickstarter, but with your added info I’m all in!
Oh I can see you waving. You can't hide from the ghost of a wild west gunslinger.
Little does he know I actually could see him waving...
Holy moly that story about the dead brothers somehow really hit home. Great way to deal with character deaths though.
I’ve missed your videos so much. Always love your content
Me too😭
It’s been a while since we’ve had a dungeons and dragons story time video and I’m happy to see one
Sorcerer: wait, don't your daggers do like, 1d4+3 damage
Rogue: Shush
Dm: It's fine, this dude has 4 hit points
Glad your back making videos again ben. Just rewatched the one about making the character for couch the cat. And there is totally a way to get a cat to roll dice as I have found out.
Yay! More dnd stories
Man I have missed seeing these videos show up in my feed. Good job lad. Look forward to the next one.
Jess! I realy enjoy these campaign storrys. ^^
Helianas realy looks awsome... and now that i'm thinking about it, i'll go and rewach the add another few times. Have a nice one ^^
clicked faster than a clicker game
I like how the cartoon representation of the characters bend at the waist when kneeling.
It's pretty wild to hear these kinds of stories from the guy who runs the Turtle Friends campaign.
thanks for the heads up on the kick starter, I would've never have seen that. Totally getting it now.
I miss Abserd!
When you fall asleep watching TH-cam and this video auto-plays...
The first 10 seconds of the video...
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
4:12 ZERICK THE CLERIC! Putting it right next to Barry the Barbarian in my "ideas for future" folder
Classic tragedy story by Puffin - missed these.
man, i wish you could upload more. i love your animation and stories
i just realised by rewatching adventuretime is your artstyle and when talking as the character inspired by lumpy space princess from adventure time?
cuz the character reminds me soo much of her
The somber notes at the end...
My time has come at last.
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4:22 “Watch what happens when I cast a spell I don’t know!”
My baby boy just woke me up, awesome I guess I can watch this, kinda makes the lack of sleep easier to deal with.
Man all these dramatic deaths. Times I've played it was like "Oh, cool, I get to play a new character now!" while the rest of us are like "So our characters knew that character for like... a week? Should... should we be sad?"
I remember my first character's death was in a last stand type of situation. The big bad and just retreated behind a gate that was dropped after she ran by. We were SUPPOSED to go around in order to catch up with her. Instead, my barbarian rolled a nat 20 strength check and lifted the nearly 1 ton gate of steel, if just barely. Everyone crawled through as enemies poured in to attack the barbarian which was al alone. In the end I think I killed at least 15 soliders before I kicked the bucket.
"The elven man, husband of a murdered wife and father of a banished son and murdered son, disappears into the forest to live out his days"
IDK, sounds like the perfect setup for a dread necromancer. Someone who would pervert all laws of life and death, pay any price, sacrifice any last shred of sanity or humanity, just to save ONE of the loved ones he lost.
Back to the origins. You telling stories! More videos like this one plis! The good stuff!
The were a bit young?! The elf was 26, that's like a 4 year old human.
"What's your cleric's name?"
"...Xerik."
"Your cleric's named is Xerik?"
"...yes."
"Sounds a lot like cleric."
"Maybe that's why he became a cleric."
This is what “helpless” is all about, and a reminder that HP are an abstract fighting mechanic, not life force. Having your vein opened up results in more or less instant death
I was playing a sorcerer recently, so when I heard the description, I was like, why the crown of thorns on a supporter.
4:20 “fine, you want to know what happens so badly? Watch what happens when I cast a spell I don’t know.”
Recently, our campaign had a bit of a double-edged sword. While the party was exploring, we came across a fancy chest buried in the ground, which my character tripped on. With some investigation, and the aid of my character's Sword of Sharpness, we broke the locks and checked its contents: a magic jeweled goblet, and a nonmagical jade breastplate. The goblet had some illusion magic that made water look like gold, and the breastplate was solid jade; not practical as armor, but expensive. Taking those items, we then got into an encounter with a horde of raptors. After our nature specialist failed to communicate with them (and one of the other PC's used a free action to cast Magic Missile) we got into a brutal fight and were forced to run into hiding to survive. Also, most of our rations were wasted to distract the raptors. Our DM would later say, respectively, that they were one of the best and one of the worst encounters he could have rolled for us.
Short Version: Found a fancy treasure chest, got ambushed by raptors and sacrificed all our food.
Also, we later made 1270GP off of the treasure we found. It was a good time.
Reminded me I got to work on my call of Cthulhu campaign...
Daggers only do 1d4 in combat. A dagger pressed up against someone’s vital area with no armor? That’s a bit different of a situation…I’d rule that it could easily kill…it’s not combat
3.5e rule: An attack on a unarmed opponent Is a Coup of Grace meaning that (depends on the condution) it would be a auto crit or an insta kill.
@@lordjor96 I believe they had to be a bit more than just unarmed, but yeah, coup de grace were definitely a possibility
Dropping a video at midnight my time? Are you crazy Puffin? I’m gonna lose sleep at this rate.
this video is a great example that not every dnd-story gets the "good ending that everyone wants"
The algorithm: *watches me watch all of Puffins videos again and again*
Also the algorithm: *waits 2 days before suggesting the new video*
Always excited to see a new video from you. Keep up the great work!
puffin Forrest has the best "bad" art I have ever seen
nice to see more of the old style animations
You need to reverse the order of the ‘All Puffin Animated’ playlist so it auto plays in order instead of reverse
Hostage moments are times when I would say, "If the knife cuts your throat, you are on death saving throws. HP, AC, none of that matters."
He's back!
Holy crap. ow... I've been playing for 4 years now, and have only experienced one character death, which, granted, was traumatizing, but it also didn't count. This almost made me cry. (for anyone wondering, the death we had was my character, Mae Ryth, a "human" warlock of sorts (a lot of stuff happened and homebrew, at the time of her death, she was actually a harpy witch). We were guarding a location where one of the seven heavenly virtues, hope specifically, was supposed to be born. Most of the party had gone inside, but me and one other PC and one NPC had stayed outside. after a while, an old man came along, and after a lot of stuff, turns out he was a shapeshifter and also was actually this one shopkeep everyone loved. He tried to kill the other PC, but my character pulled the shopkeep, named Tom Barthollemews, aside and he killed her instead. After 55 years in the Abyss though, the other PCs managed to revive my character.)
The Broken Wastelands sounds alot like this idea I had for a D&D session back when 3.5 was current lol. My idea was basically called "The Realm of Nzonia" and had a floating/flying citadel city in the guy as the academy for adventurers, and then there was a giant continent that had been exploded with a weird combination of science and magic, which caused mutated almost radioactive like monsters, like an undead female zombie, her stomach burst and the undead fetus reaching out to you from within a sludge of green goop.
And the entire background story was that the Broken God had been freed.....somehow, and was taking his revenge not just on the Drow, but the world in general.
I even had an entire country that was gonna be run by Minotaur Barbarians
1:06
Tell me about it. I have a *coughERPcampaigncough*, and one of the players rolled really frickin' high in all of their stats. Their dump stat was a 13.
The necromancer finally did the job I pays him for