Imagine the DMs face if after any point the rouge threatened them one of the players just said "I'll roll for initiative". Sometimes threats end up provoking instead of scaring, and at this point either the DM allows it, or the band disbands entirely.
the HP and CON stuff alone lets druid punch way about it's weight class. Also a rogue fighting confrontationally like this is wild, since rogues need a party or at least to be hidden to be strong, very odd
Wild shapes give druids a higher potential HP than barbarians of the same level with a lot of flexibility in their abilities. Even if you manage to drop one for every wild shape they have (which is infinite at level 20) congratulations, you now have to deal with a full caster at max HP with a lot of offensive spells including but definitely not limited to: call lightning, blight, polymorph, wall of fire, summon draconic spirit, and wrath of nature, all available by level 9. Honestly, I would just go full PVP with the rogue and kick his ass back out of the party.
Aww, that sudden ending sucks!! It felt like him bragging about threatening the healer was gonna be the nail that broke the camel's back. And I braced myself for the "Everyone rolls to fight the bad player", or the "Everyone stands up and leaves the table to play their own game without the bad player", maybe even a "The DM finally realizes the problem player might not deserve the attention", but it's left on a total cliffhanger! Maybe this was a villainous ploy...Damn you Loot Goblin, you've tempted me with your warm, amiable voice! I must now watch more great videos! >:(
Yeah sadly the writer kind of has it end on that note. I seems like there wasn’t a good resolution… DM and Problem Player liked how things went and my guess is that is what the writer was alluding to at the beginning that it just fell apart shortly after this player was introduced. I appreciate the compliment on my voice! I’m glad people are enjoying the narration and commentary!
@@lootgoblinmarketplaceell there's a reason for that. The DM is also a That Guy and even had a DMPC. People like this react to other That Guys in one of two ways: They either A) try to compete to see who's the bigger asshole Or B) especially when one of them is a DM, pamper eachother and stroke eachother's egos by being tag team assholes.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace which leads me to believe it's real. Like I played a game once where the DM let his wife do everything, his four year old was walking around with a knife for playdough pretending to be the joker and stabbing people. Once that session ended I just never went back. No climatic confrontation, just an abrupt end.
@Loot Goblin: D&D Stories & GreenText I play d&d a good amount and I hate seen player's like this it ruins thr gane for everyone else. And the dm I would have just not come back to play if he was playing favorites
I rolled into a session with a bully player. Asked DM what was needed and went with a cleric. My first session, the bully had his character get in the "new guy"s face to "establish the pecking order". One hold person save fail on his part later, my character was weighing his mace and eyeballing the unprotected skull in front of him. My character then announced something along the lines of "Meh, I can do this any time I want. You are more useful to me as a meat shield. I'll let you live." He was fairly new to D&D, so probably didn't realize a hit wouldn't have killed him and would have dropped the hold person... so just removing his agency, taking shit, and then "letting him go" was the most effective ploy I could have made. It also certainly didn't hurt I'm 6'2" in RL, and the one person at the table bigger than he was. The player, and the player's character, did not try to bully my character again. The table dynamic was still weird. He continued to bully everyone else, and somehow I was a part of team bully now as far as he was concerned. Note: DM and this guy were lifelong BFFs. That said, even he couldn't take the guy's antics for long. Bullying was just one of the many weird things he was doing at the table. That gaming group played for many years after I joined, but the bully was gone in a few months.
Had a player like this. Threatend the party stole loot just being a little piece of shit. In an argument over loot he tried to stab my eldritch knight just because: my chars a wizard and doesnt need the mithril knight plate (i was one of the main party tanks) so i fried him. Dude had a meltdown in the table after that and now as an DM each time i get a player that starts acting like that i warn them that yes your character can be an asshole but if you start acting like that to the party pls don't complain when they kill you. Your character would do that? Okay great but doesn't stop the others to stomp you
After that ending as a player i would have responded with: EVERYONE ROLL INITIATIVE BECAUSE IF I DON'T GET RID OF THIS GUY I'MA LEAVE SO WHY NOT HAVE SOME FUN BEFORE I LEAVE IF I LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hooo boy, this is quite the experience in this video. Personally, I play a lawful evil necromancer and despite being the only evil aligned PC, I always try and go along with the party and never actively hurt the other PCs. Not sure why the Dm decided to favourite this guy but I feel bad for the other party members. (Also seriously, not one book? C’mon man). Anyway, great video! Can’t wait for the next one!
Thank you for the compliment! Yeah, idk why this DM wanted to give the Rogue freebies but never once let another player feel like they got the spotlight. It’s such a small flavor thing that would go a long way if you let him collect a rare book here and there!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace There are a lot of critical details missing from this story but it sounds like there was already a hint of conflict between at least some of the players and the DM. Regardless the way the rogue was introduced into the game should have been all the red flags any of them needed to instantly call out both the new player and the DM for their obvious meta gamed cheese fest of an intro. No one can deny they would have been in the right to do so. I would argue the blame rest with the players for tolerating the DM and his pet from the very start of their obvious railroading and blatant cheating.
when my first campaign happened my goblin warlock was goblining about for 30+ minutes, my dear dear wizard broke character trying to bring everyone together and when I finally thought he would stop he cast eldrich blast in the face of an authority that was supposed to settle the bullshitry "The guard picks up the goblin and drags him outside, within seconds you hear a scream and see the guard walk back in, whiping blood from his hands with a rag" I thought, but didn't do that, It was everyone's first campaign, including mine as a DM and I didn't want to waste any more time with creating characters and introducing them
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Hoooo boy....I have a similar story for you. So I used to dm for two other guys I enjoyed playing one piece DnD with. (I shall call them Stab and Mage) They were always fighting and couldn't agree on anything, splitting the party in completely different places was always bad and it would often end campaigns on the spot because they couldn't get along. So I decided okay one more chance.. BIG MISTAKE Stab played a rogue while Mage played a wizard. Little did I know that he would play an incredibly evil and oblivious rogue. He tried to trick a dwarf ship builder, then when the dwarf didn't fall for it he tried to kill him. Stab made it his personal mission to try and kill the dwarf by any means. To try and turn the entire town against him. It was only thanks to Mage that the town realized they were deceived. They chased after him and he was banned from the town with a wanted poster. Stab was upset that his actions were not seen as justified and kept being mad about it. That's when I decided it was better to just continue the adventure with Mage without any mention of Stab. It definitely has been a fun solo campaign with Mage, he's a great guy.
The DM is so bad that you should never speak to them again. They are a genuinely terrible, disrespectful person that adds absolutely no value to your life. Doesn't sound like you were ever friends with the rogue to begin with.
This story is entirely on the DM. I can see how *some* (IE very few) of the problem player's traits could be interesting if controlled better. But the DM lets the problem player get away with literal murder, threatening the party on a regular basis.
I think mild PvP can RARELY be fun roleplay when people separate the character and their own egos. If someone wants their particularly gullible character to get humorously pranked, or a rogue is such a klepto, they keep a few more coins than is their due, it can be in good fun if other players and DM aren't bothered. I've had a few occasions where my character was lied to, but the two of us had agreed that my character was desperately optimistic, and wanted things to be true, so it was almost a flaw for him to take his romantic partner's word without questioning. There was always a lot of OOC chat about such situations in my groups, and that was always an easy way to have characters in conflict as part of a story, not as a personal insult to another player!
I will say the idea of a Rogue who only works with the party only for their own gains while willing to kill then at a moments notice(plus probably someone who keeps them under control) could be cool but also it would need to be the right party and player doing it
They should have grouped together and had a overtable conversation. It seems they just put up with it like oml please just tell thos dude irl to shit the F up. But at this point if the dm is just going to let a player hurt my pc with out my consent and the dm is def part of the problem....I will just become more of the problem," Oh he rolled high to intimidate MY charatcer? Haha yeah sorry I still am not scared of him." " You roll to attack my character eh sorry I don't wnjoy pvp so im just not marking ghe damage down." I will godmod myself if no actions are taken against this player
I think that’s the way to handle it. Any rolls made against another player where both players aren’t okay with it should just be ignored. When I DM, I feel like social checks used against fellow players usually leads to a scenario of whoever is the high charisma player just bullying the whole party into making them king. No one likes their agency taken away.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace yes. When the moments in the campaign I ran where there are pvp interactions social of physcial i make sure both players are fine with the subject. If this is okay with me as a dm. Then I let it roll. And if the player actually attacks and does damage to a player after both agreeing. I'll be generous and be like," The bread you ate magically healed you for 20 hp."
If I EVER make en evilly aligned character, it is to cause doubt within the group, to slowly move pieces to see how they react and make decisions; but that’s because I’m secretly the DMs BBEG, or a villain that operates under the BBEG. But even that takes finesse, because you can’t turn out like this rogue. There’s a difference between having my evil character cause chaos, doubt, and the illusion of being good to give my DM a villain to take over as an NPC, than to just be a giant short fused cannon a**hole that threatens to 🪦 the party. The way that our group is; when we’re working together and still having a good time, when we’re excited over something hard or DM created; our DM is happy. To Jon, he smiles the most when we really get into character and character development. He smiles when we thank him, when we cook for him, and heck, even when we have a crazy laughing hyena scene from lion king; he laughs, but keeps us immersed and snaps us back into what happening.
I must say that the fact that the players wouldn't try to actually stop or fight the problem PC slightly disgusts me, your honour. Just because someone is a PC, it doesn't mean they should have get any special treatment. If you see a boss kill someone and you just fight them without a problem, you should also fight the random mass murderer who began following you while killing more than the boss also, especially when he tried to learn your personal information (in game). Just because someone is a PC, it doesn't mean they're any better or worse than any random npc and should have been allowed to abuse the said npcs. I rest my case and i ask for a guilty verdict on those people as they're guilty of helping this murderer in mass murder (in rp), your honour.
if another character says a threat, we are throwing hands, such words should not be said unless obvious its a joke or you mean business, one of us will be beat down to 0 hp that day
Wow. I myself have little experience with playing however I think maybe the party should have spoken up to the player and dm and had a discussion. I know it sucks having to change your character but attitudes like that are just unacceptable.
Yeah, PvP always leads to hurt feelings and I feel like a player willing to hard force the campaign to their will is just as bad as a DM that constantly railroads and shuts down player agency.
I've never been in a d&d campaign a proper one I mean. And I truly would like to join one. I would unfortunately need to learn all the new rules cuz I'm about quite a few volumes behind
My MMORPG brain instantly went " You threaten to kill me the healer of this party? Let's see ehere the real power over life and death lies when your wounds no longer magically knit themselves from now on." But seems like the DM would've kept him alive no matter what anyways.
Anytime I sit at a table and there is a tiefling rogue (particularly if it is an Assassin or psych blade) I sigh…and hope for the best outcome…but mostly sigh. Also: if you have an edgelord or just a hostile player and your game allows pvp and you are a prepared spell caster: create a pvp loadout vs that person that gets mixed with your daily loadouts. Barring a lucky hit first round, had this druid done that, they could have dropped this rogue like nothing.
I did kill the rouge in our campaign ! Keep in mind tho, he was an absolute asshole! And kept messing with my Warlock so after a good while when I was tapped he had his rouge spit on my warlock and joking about pissing on me while I was locked up before the cleric female locked me out and I killed him and raised his corpse as a minion.. he also always threatened to kill me and the cleric
I think there's nothing inherently wrong with some interparty conflict Like 99% of lawful good paladins would just be impossible to play without interparty conflict But there should be a set of expectations to follow You shouldn't be actively hurting other party members unless it's discussed by the party And you should be ready to have a paladin for example to move on from the party because it's too evil and chaotic I think that kind of drama is okay but shouldn't be forced
We were doing the governments dirty work, if we got caught we would take 4d8 damage every turn until we escape or die, and there was 13 people in the party. “We should set a controlled fire to force them out of the wheat factory”-the cleric sorcerer starts fire* “No we should go through and clear the cult manually so as to not alert the guards”-a fighter *wizard starts putting out fire* “Hey stop that”-the cleric ”no we can’t risk the smoke getting us caught”-a wizard (it was night) “I can cast minor illuison”-a rogue forest gnome *wizard casts silence* *1 cultist runs out* *barbarian crit fails on the wizard and downs him in one shot* *wizards friends start pvp* *becomes a 3v10* *zone of silence ends cause cultist anti magic field* *cleric casts booming voice, while on 2 hp* “HEY GUARDS THERE ARE SOME CRIMINALS SETTING A FIRE HERE” I, the cleric, got 9 people killed doing this.
So it sounds like the party alignment is good and this character is chaotic evil, what does a party of good adventurers do to Evil? You kill it... They should have just ganged up and killed the character, no PC will be as strong as 4 other PCs of the same level. And if he is due to GM influence then this will highlight the problem.
Yeah I usually make an example out of these kinds of players to the point where it just outright humiliates them try to give a player an owl bear cub as a pet other player try to needlessly be a douche and kill the cub so I made a forest Elemental owl bear come out and he was forced to fight alone needless to say after he died by the bear digging his claws into their stomach and ripping off the top of their body in their jaws he asked when he could make his new character and I said that the fun part you don't get to this wasn't the first time I had problems with a guy but it was definitely the last
Yeah sometimes there has to be a cut off point of how much of a menace someone is allowed to be at the table before they aren’t allowed back. Idk why but a lot of these stories the DM acts like it isn’t obvious or even worse… takes the players side. I’m glad you shut that stuff down at your table!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace my green friend I'm all for Mischief I'm all for having fun but there is a time and a place where you just got to shut that shit down there and then and quite frankly I'm shocked that so many DMS actually put up with this crap or Worse let it happen and act like there isn't a problem
@@lootgoblinmarketplace yeah they stuck with it way longer than i would have, but maybe if i was a bit younger and less confident i might have been willing to stick around for all that bs
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The DM enabled this fella since day one. Tons of blame rests on their shoulders.
For sure!
Imagine the DMs face if after any point the rouge threatened them one of the players just said "I'll roll for initiative".
Sometimes threats end up provoking instead of scaring, and at this point either the DM allows it, or the band disbands entirely.
Threatening a D&D druid just generally seems like a terrible idea when parasitoid wasps exist
Yeah, I’ve seen too many stories of Druid summons messing a person up
parasitoid wasps? Damn.
the HP and CON stuff alone lets druid punch way about it's weight class. Also a rogue fighting confrontationally like this is wild, since rogues need a party or at least to be hidden to be strong, very odd
Wild shapes give druids a higher potential HP than barbarians of the same level with a lot of flexibility in their abilities. Even if you manage to drop one for every wild shape they have (which is infinite at level 20) congratulations, you now have to deal with a full caster at max HP with a lot of offensive spells including but definitely not limited to: call lightning, blight, polymorph, wall of fire, summon draconic spirit, and wrath of nature, all available by level 9.
Honestly, I would just go full PVP with the rogue and kick his ass back out of the party.
Or bears
Aww, that sudden ending sucks!! It felt like him bragging about threatening the healer was gonna be the nail that broke the camel's back. And I braced myself for the "Everyone rolls to fight the bad player", or the "Everyone stands up and leaves the table to play their own game without the bad player", maybe even a "The DM finally realizes the problem player might not deserve the attention", but it's left on a total cliffhanger! Maybe this was a villainous ploy...Damn you Loot Goblin, you've tempted me with your warm, amiable voice! I must now watch more great videos! >:(
Yeah sadly the writer kind of has it end on that note. I seems like there wasn’t a good resolution… DM and Problem Player liked how things went and my guess is that is what the writer was alluding to at the beginning that it just fell apart shortly after this player was introduced. I appreciate the compliment on my voice! I’m glad people are enjoying the narration and commentary!
@@lootgoblinmarketplaceell there's a reason for that. The DM is also a That Guy and even had a DMPC. People like this react to other That Guys in one of two ways:
They either
A) try to compete to see who's the bigger asshole
Or
B) especially when one of them is a DM, pamper eachother and stroke eachother's egos by being tag team assholes.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace which leads me to believe it's real. Like I played a game once where the DM let his wife do everything, his four year old was walking around with a knife for playdough pretending to be the joker and stabbing people. Once that session ended I just never went back.
No climatic confrontation, just an abrupt end.
They should have kicked him out in the first Session
Yeah, this should have been shut down quick!
@Loot Goblin: D&D Stories & GreenText I play d&d a good amount and I hate seen player's like this it ruins thr gane for everyone else. And the dm I would have just not come back to play if he was playing favorites
Session 1? How about before session zero, or even better, in the womb
I rolled into a session with a bully player. Asked DM what was needed and went with a cleric. My first session, the bully had his character get in the "new guy"s face to "establish the pecking order". One hold person save fail on his part later, my character was weighing his mace and eyeballing the unprotected skull in front of him. My character then announced something along the lines of "Meh, I can do this any time I want. You are more useful to me as a meat shield. I'll let you live."
He was fairly new to D&D, so probably didn't realize a hit wouldn't have killed him and would have dropped the hold person... so just removing his agency, taking shit, and then "letting him go" was the most effective ploy I could have made. It also certainly didn't hurt I'm 6'2" in RL, and the one person at the table bigger than he was. The player, and the player's character, did not try to bully my character again. The table dynamic was still weird. He continued to bully everyone else, and somehow I was a part of team bully now as far as he was concerned.
Note: DM and this guy were lifelong BFFs. That said, even he couldn't take the guy's antics for long. Bullying was just one of the many weird things he was doing at the table. That gaming group played for many years after I joined, but the bully was gone in a few months.
Had a player like this. Threatend the party stole loot just being a little piece of shit. In an argument over loot he tried to stab my eldritch knight just because: my chars a wizard and doesnt need the mithril knight plate (i was one of the main party tanks) so i fried him. Dude had a meltdown in the table after that and now as an DM each time i get a player that starts acting like that i warn them that yes your character can be an asshole but if you start acting like that to the party pls don't complain when they kill you. Your character would do that? Okay great but doesn't stop the others to stomp you
Yeah, idk why a player would think rolling initiative is going to get him what he wanted. Some people just aren’t team players…
After that ending as a player i would have responded with: EVERYONE ROLL INITIATIVE BECAUSE IF I DON'T GET RID OF THIS GUY I'MA LEAVE SO WHY NOT HAVE SOME FUN BEFORE I LEAVE IF I LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, at a certain point you just have to roll for initiative if he is going to keep doing that to the party.
Hooo boy, this is quite the experience in this video. Personally, I play a lawful evil necromancer and despite being the only evil aligned PC, I always try and go along with the party and never actively hurt the other PCs. Not sure why the Dm decided to favourite this guy but I feel bad for the other party members.
(Also seriously, not one book? C’mon man).
Anyway, great video! Can’t wait for the next one!
Thank you for the compliment! Yeah, idk why this DM wanted to give the Rogue freebies but never once let another player feel like they got the spotlight. It’s such a small flavor thing that would go a long way if you let him collect a rare book here and there!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace There are a lot of critical details missing from this story but it sounds like there was already a hint of conflict between at least some of the players and the DM. Regardless the way the rogue was introduced into the game should have been all the red flags any of them needed to instantly call out both the new player and the DM for their obvious meta gamed cheese fest of an intro. No one can deny they would have been in the right to do so. I would argue the blame rest with the players for tolerating the DM and his pet from the very start of their obvious railroading and blatant cheating.
when my first campaign happened my goblin warlock was goblining about for 30+ minutes, my dear dear wizard broke character trying to bring everyone together and when I finally thought he would stop he cast eldrich blast in the face of an authority that was supposed to settle the bullshitry
"The guard picks up the goblin and drags him outside, within seconds you hear a scream and see the guard walk back in, whiping blood from his hands with a rag"
I thought, but didn't do that, It was everyone's first campaign, including mine as a DM and I didn't want to waste any more time with creating characters and introducing them
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I spent way too long trying to figure out what a Beholder of the Brain Cell looked like. I was thinking something like the Mindwitness lol
Yeah, trust me my first read i totally missed it too.
I thought it was a "theyre the only smart one of the friendgroup" like those seers from Disney's Hercules fighting over the eyeball.
Hoooo boy....I have a similar story for you.
So I used to dm for two other guys I enjoyed playing one piece DnD with. (I shall call them Stab and Mage) They were always fighting and couldn't agree on anything, splitting the party in completely different places was always bad and it would often end campaigns on the spot because they couldn't get along.
So I decided okay one more chance..
BIG MISTAKE
Stab played a rogue while Mage played a wizard. Little did I know that he would play an incredibly evil and oblivious rogue. He tried to trick a dwarf ship builder, then when the dwarf didn't fall for it he tried to kill him. Stab made it his personal mission to try and kill the dwarf by any means. To try and turn the entire town against him. It was only thanks to Mage that the town realized they were deceived. They chased after him and he was banned from the town with a wanted poster. Stab was upset that his actions were not seen as justified and kept being mad about it.
That's when I decided it was better to just continue the adventure with Mage without any mention of Stab. It definitely has been a fun solo campaign with Mage, he's a great guy.
There should have been a player ultimatum. "DM, you are about to have a party of one if you don't put your foot down. This isn't The Rogue Show."
The DM is so bad that you should never speak to them again. They are a genuinely terrible, disrespectful person that adds absolutely no value to your life. Doesn't sound like you were ever friends with the rogue to begin with.
This story is entirely on the DM. I can see how *some* (IE very few) of the problem player's traits could be interesting if controlled better. But the DM lets the problem player get away with literal murder, threatening the party on a regular basis.
I think mild PvP can RARELY be fun roleplay when people separate the character and their own egos. If someone wants their particularly gullible character to get humorously pranked, or a rogue is such a klepto, they keep a few more coins than is their due, it can be in good fun if other players and DM aren't bothered.
I've had a few occasions where my character was lied to, but the two of us had agreed that my character was desperately optimistic, and wanted things to be true, so it was almost a flaw for him to take his romantic partner's word without questioning. There was always a lot of OOC chat about such situations in my groups, and that was always an easy way to have characters in conflict as part of a story, not as a personal insult to another player!
I will say the idea of a Rogue who only works with the party only for their own gains while willing to kill then at a moments notice(plus probably someone who keeps them under control) could be cool but also it would need to be the right party and player doing it
But why did you have to make the rogue on the thumbnail so smashable
He has high charisma that’s how he rolls intimidate well!
Well said Gobbo. The very worst of the diva character tales have a spineless or cheerleader referee.
Yeah, it seems like a clear pattern.
They should have grouped together and had a overtable conversation. It seems they just put up with it like oml please just tell thos dude irl to shit the F up.
But at this point if the dm is just going to let a player hurt my pc with out my consent and the dm is def part of the problem....I will just become more of the problem," Oh he rolled high to intimidate MY charatcer? Haha yeah sorry I still am not scared of him."
" You roll to attack my character eh sorry I don't wnjoy pvp so im just not marking ghe damage down."
I will godmod myself if no actions are taken against this player
I think that’s the way to handle it. Any rolls made against another player where both players aren’t okay with it should just be ignored.
When I DM, I feel like social checks used against fellow players usually leads to a scenario of whoever is the high charisma player just bullying the whole party into making them king. No one likes their agency taken away.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace yes. When the moments in the campaign I ran where there are pvp interactions social of physcial i make sure both players are fine with the subject. If this is okay with me as a dm. Then I let it roll. And if the player actually attacks and does damage to a player after both agreeing. I'll be generous and be like," The bread you ate magically healed you for 20 hp."
If this happened at night, then I guess rogues "do get a bit quirky at night"
Look I might make a indication check against someone in the group... but that has zero meaning. The player can choose to role with my role... or not.
The original party seemed to start out nicely
Yeah, it seems like things were going smooth before!
I'm gonna guess he was lying about his rolls too. Unless it was in person
Just have the entire party ambush his character and kill them. If he defeats them then leave the game.
Yeah, it really reached that point. If the guy is forcing social checks and saying he wants PvP then I guess you give it to him.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace yeah it sucks to see it happen
If I EVER make en evilly aligned character, it is to cause doubt within the group, to slowly move pieces to see how they react and make decisions; but that’s because I’m secretly the DMs BBEG, or a villain that operates under the BBEG. But even that takes finesse, because you can’t turn out like this rogue. There’s a difference between having my evil character cause chaos, doubt, and the illusion of being good to give my DM a villain to take over as an NPC, than to just be a giant short fused cannon a**hole that threatens to 🪦 the party. The way that our group is; when we’re working together and still having a good time, when we’re excited over something hard or DM created; our DM is happy. To Jon, he smiles the most when we really get into character and character development. He smiles when we thank him, when we cook for him, and heck, even when we have a crazy laughing hyena scene from lion king; he laughs, but keeps us immersed and snaps us back into what happening.
Something doesn't add up. DM loves this guy and favors him but every NPC they meet thinks he's rude and looks upon them unfavorably??? Sounds fake
I must say that the fact that the players wouldn't try to actually stop or fight the problem PC slightly disgusts me, your honour. Just because someone is a PC, it doesn't mean they should have get any special treatment. If you see a boss kill someone and you just fight them without a problem, you should also fight the random mass murderer who began following you while killing more than the boss also, especially when he tried to learn your personal information (in game). Just because someone is a PC, it doesn't mean they're any better or worse than any random npc and should have been allowed to abuse the said npcs. I rest my case and i ask for a guilty verdict on those people as they're guilty of helping this murderer in mass murder (in rp), your honour.
if another character says a threat, we are throwing hands, such words should not be said unless obvious its a joke or you mean business, one of us will be beat down to 0 hp that day
Wow. I myself have little experience with playing however I think maybe the party should have spoken up to the player and dm and had a discussion. I know it sucks having to change your character but attitudes like that are just unacceptable.
Yeah, PvP always leads to hurt feelings and I feel like a player willing to hard force the campaign to their will is just as bad as a DM that constantly railroads and shuts down player agency.
I've never been in a d&d campaign a proper one I mean. And I truly would like to join one. I would unfortunately need to learn all the new rules cuz I'm about quite a few volumes behind
My MMORPG brain instantly went " You threaten to kill me the healer of this party? Let's see ehere the real power over life and death lies when your wounds no longer magically knit themselves from now on." But seems like the DM would've kept him alive no matter what anyways.
Anytime I sit at a table and there is a tiefling rogue (particularly if it is an Assassin or psych blade) I sigh…and hope for the best outcome…but mostly sigh.
Also: if you have an edgelord or just a hostile player and your game allows pvp and you are a prepared spell caster: create a pvp loadout vs that person that gets mixed with your daily loadouts. Barring a lucky hit first round, had this druid done that, they could have dropped this rogue like nothing.
PvP is not always a problem, but letting some run rampant sure is.
I did kill the rouge in our campaign !
Keep in mind tho, he was an absolute asshole! And kept messing with my Warlock so after a good while when I was tapped he had his rouge spit on my warlock and joking about pissing on me while I was locked up before the cleric female locked me out and I killed him and raised his corpse as a minion.. he also always threatened to kill me and the cleric
As a Rogue main, this bums me out.
I think there's nothing inherently wrong with some interparty conflict
Like 99% of lawful good paladins would just be impossible to play without interparty conflict
But there should be a set of expectations to follow
You shouldn't be actively hurting other party members unless it's discussed by the party
And you should be ready to have a paladin for example to move on from the party because it's too evil and chaotic
I think that kind of drama is okay but shouldn't be forced
That DM is trash for allowing it to go that far. I understand keeping out of party dynamics but this escalated to the point of toxcitiy.
Yeah, it’s a very clear night and day difference. The DM didn’t seem to care enough to stop it.
We were doing the governments dirty work, if we got caught we would take 4d8 damage every turn until we escape or die, and there was 13 people in the party.
“We should set a controlled fire to force them out of the wheat factory”-the cleric
sorcerer starts fire*
“No we should go through and clear the cult manually so as to not alert the guards”-a fighter
*wizard starts putting out fire*
“Hey stop that”-the cleric
”no we can’t risk the smoke getting us caught”-a wizard (it was night)
“I can cast minor illuison”-a rogue forest gnome
*wizard casts silence*
*1 cultist runs out*
*barbarian crit fails on the wizard and downs him in one shot*
*wizards friends start pvp*
*becomes a 3v10*
*zone of silence ends cause cultist anti magic field*
*cleric casts booming voice, while on 2 hp*
“HEY GUARDS THERE ARE SOME CRIMINALS SETTING A FIRE HERE”
I, the cleric, got 9 people killed doing this.
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Does anybody know who is the character in the thumbnail? Is he from an anime?
So it sounds like the party alignment is good and this character is chaotic evil, what does a party of good adventurers do to Evil? You kill it...
They should have just ganged up and killed the character, no PC will be as strong as 4 other PCs of the same level. And if he is due to GM influence then this will highlight the problem.
Yeah I usually make an example out of these kinds of players to the point where it just outright humiliates them try to give a player an owl bear cub as a pet other player try to needlessly be a douche and kill the cub so I made a forest Elemental owl bear come out and he was forced to fight alone needless to say after he died by the bear digging his claws into their stomach and ripping off the top of their body in their jaws he asked when he could make his new character and I said that the fun part you don't get to this wasn't the first time I had problems with a guy but it was definitely the last
Yeah sometimes there has to be a cut off point of how much of a menace someone is allowed to be at the table before they aren’t allowed back. Idk why but a lot of these stories the DM acts like it isn’t obvious or even worse… takes the players side. I’m glad you shut that stuff down at your table!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace my green friend I'm all for Mischief I'm all for having fun but there is a time and a place where you just got to shut that shit down there and then and quite frankly I'm shocked that so many DMS actually put up with this crap or Worse let it happen and act like there isn't a problem
Ma man.
Idk if it's on my end or not but at one point your mic kinda cracks.
Question how do I get into dnd?
A Druid coud easiy beat a Rogue, OP shoudve defended herself
im surprised they didn't just quit the campaign, if this rogue was this much of a problem i'm out
It fell apart sometime shortly after it seems, they just held out longer than I may have myself!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace yeah they stuck with it way longer than i would have, but maybe if i was a bit younger and less confident i might have been willing to stick around for all that bs
Do you want to hear my mini rogue story?
I’d be down to hear it!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace I posted it to ur rogue #3 TH-cam short as I was a rogue for the story
@@centralizedgaming4800 I'll check it out!
Wth does "the beholder of the brain cell" mean?
I took it as he was the only person with brain cells in the group. I’ve never heard this term before though.
This is horrible, OP find me and I'll DM for you and your druid
Pvp is not always a problem, y'all are just soft