I always found how strange that the fracture exists. I have trained with different instructors under Inosanto, Wong, Poteet,Vunak & Bustillo over the years. I never believed in JKDC and OJKD. To me it's just JKD. I'm in Japan now still training in JKD under the Aomori Branch (under Nakamura). Each instructor has their own flavor in doing things. They are continuing our Sijo's legacy.
The part of JKD stating "Add what is completely your own", will automatically change JKD with each instructor. No need to quarrel. Learn from each other what they added or subtracted..
I don't believe in adding into the system or a founders art but I do believe in the individual adding to himself. adding to the system can only short change the system or style, it can remove important techniques for other techniques, specially change muscle memory. now, adding from the system itself is ideal.
“Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers
@@axelstone3131 anything rejected from a system should be put in words or hand writing by the founder, this way is a sure statement. jkd has been taught for 55 year or so and when the damage is done is done, to bad for jkd.
@@CBHDK59 it’s important to understand, Bruce didn’t like teaching. He wasn’t trying to create something to be taught. He was developing something for himself that suited his attributes. The fact is he was very fast, very powerful and very proficient at what he did. People saw him demonstrate and wanted to be taught by him. It went from there. By the late 60’s he’d essentially stopped teaching and left to make movies in Hong Kong. Those 3 to 4 years were essentially him just training himself for himself, not other people. It’s well known he didn’t teach or show everything he knew. Bruce wanted to have the edge over others and the way to do that is by keeping certain things to yourself. There are only a few people who know what he was doing by the 70’s or the direction he went. Most do not teach late stage JKD because they either don’t know the material, can’t actually physically do it or they are an Inosanto student and follow Inosanto’s teaching which is very much the opposite of Bruce’s approach. Unlike the majority of martial arts instructors. Bruce wasn’t interested in being an instructor, everything he developed was for himself first and foremost. He clarified the principles of JKD very clearly simplicity, directness, economy of motion, and many, many JKD instructors, especially concepts instructors do not follow those principles.
Although there are great techniques that can be adopted by any martial artist, Bruce did what worked best for him & shared his knowledge. Just copying his every move goes against his approach of choosing what works best for you as an individual, which was the element of traditional martial arts that he criticized. Personally, I don’t see why they can’t be honest about this. If you want to mimic his every movement, that’s fine. However, you can also take his approach in learning many styles & disregarding the things that don’t work. Also, even if it was just for his movies, Bruce used Kali sticks & the Tabak Toyok (Filipino nunchaku), so to say that he didn’t isn’t exactly honest.
1:50 Just for some clarification, that weapon featured heavily in Bruce Lee's movies is the Filipino version of the Nunchaku, that has two medium length sticks connected by a chain of equal length, not the traditional Okinawan Nunchaku, that has long wooden sticks connected by a short strap or rope. I just recently learned this difference during a debate.
I feel this is a big problem for all groups of JKD people . I believe both Inosanto and Wong had so much to contribute to the JKD world . Wong with his adherence to Lee's last 6 years of life and Inosanto a more inclusive approach of other arts . Wong looked at it from the point of view less is more , keeping it simple for a faster reaction time . Inosanto with an approach of JKD as a philosophy more than a system in itself . Whatever way you choose , ask yourself ? What is my goal in training ? Am I trying to be a better self defender ? Am I looking at JKD as an art of self expression ? Or maybe a little of both ? Get out and train have fun if you're not happy with it what good is it ?
Bruce Lee laid the template of Jeet Kune Do. The 'original' is important in this matter, to be first and foremost, and then from there, you proceed with the 'concept' because Jeet Kune Do expands according to the individual being a unique person. One only deviates from JKD upon taking into the system a martial art that does not go through the spectrum of the JKD principles upon which it is founded. For example, if one adapts Taekwondo, Jiujitsu, and Bulshido and starts calling the mixture as JKD, without applying the core teachings is misrepresenting what JKD is. Absorbing what is useful will only be truly useful if a technique is reformed into JKD material and that the individual finds and accepts that it will be efficiently included into his arsenal and repertoire. Is this the problem with Inosanto, does what he teaches no longer is finetuned by the lens of core of JKD? What happened to 'discard what is not useful'?
I remember hearing about this when the Jeet Kune Do Nucleus magazine was released in the late 90's. There just wasn't a lot of information about it. Just that Dan Inosanto was not part of Linda Lee Cadwell's vision for the JKD, as Dan Inosanto was disappointed on what Linda Lee Cadwell wanted to do with it. Dan Inosanto like Bruce Lee was about being an eternal student to keep evolving and what works for you individually. Linda Lee Cadwell trying to monopolize JKD is appalling. I am on Dan Inosanto's side on this one.
All you really need to understand about Linda Lee can be shown in the Bruce Lee Drug letters and how her inquest testimony was... inconsistent with the facts in a large way. Add the lawsuit against Guro Dan and, well, that's the kindest way to put it.
I met Diana back in the 90s in Long Beach at her Studio where I was punching a kicking a tree she was in the car with Barton Richards man she gave me the look of disapproval and I was wrong activate the long story short to open up the studio and she talked me about the usual prices of you know studio time very kind lady and I always appreciate. That the character Blaze from Sega Streets of Rage the first one look like her at the time with that long hair
Bruce Lee like Dan as a person but not as a martial artist, he said he does not get it. He also told him to immediately close the school because he liked quality not quantity. Bruce did not teach in Chinatown , and Jerry Poteet was never certified , Bruce actually threw his folder in the trash . Bruce Lee did not study Kali. He said the stick is just an extension of your hand and why would you hit someone’s hand when their head is open. Peter Chins book comes out next yr , the last disciple .
Incorrect. Bruce Lee did teach in Chinatown. There are plenty of photos and even videos to illustrate this fact. Sifu Jerry Poteet had a certification so did Sifu Daniel Lee from Bruce Lee to teach. Linda Lee Cadwell is still with us, thank God. She would tell you who ranked where. In fact, she did mention it at Sifu Jerry's and Sifu Daniel Lee's memorial service. This is how misinformation continues to grow. Speak/type the truth or keep your opinions to yourself.
@LouKiss Thank you! Makes sense now. I unfortunately went to his channel and was unimpressed, to say the least. Looks like he lives in or visits the LA area often. Sifu Fran Poteet-Joseph and I live here and would enjoy paying him a visit if he continues to mention false information about Sifu Jerry. It is funny how all these know it all "tough" guys wait until the Sifu passes away before they start trash talking.
@@sifumontgomery he was posting on a very large Wing Chun forum I was an administrator for. We banned him for the same thing he is doing here. Desperately trying to make a name for himself.
Ugh. Politics ruin everything. Especially JKD.....sort of. Once you start just training for yourself, all that stuff begins to be arbitrary. I respect Inosanto greatly, and think of it wasn't for him, Lee's philosophy wouldn't have been so profound. His image? Yes. But his philosophy...one of constant change...wouldn't be so prevalent. Too many Bruce Lee "Purists".
“Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers
I'm confused by this statement. Is the latter example "do anything and call it jkd"? Because I thought Original JKD was more fencing and boxing, and I guess very little Wing Chun. Although he did seem to do his own modified chi sao, and wooden dummy techniques, but it does seem to have taken a back seat.
@@phoenixmountain he means the latter being more boxing and fencing, with little to no wing chun. Honestly it seems like everything Bruce did was highly modified and changed from what he was taught. A lot of people teach all these martial arts Bruce either didn’t do, or didn’t think much of and teach it under the name “JKD concepts” stuff like Muay Thai or Kali. Stuff that was never in the JKD curriculum. So a lot of people who teach original JKD, are still teaching stuff Bruce removed from the curriculum in 71. A lot of them are still heavily influenced by and still teaching a lot of wing chun. The different with with Tommy Carruthers teaches is that he’s teaching late stage JKD, fencing boxing, with further refinement following the principles of directness and simplicity. Instead of going the concepts route which is complicating something that was effective because of how streamlined and refined it was. Most JKD guys are stuck in the 60’s curriculum. Tommy went through a similar process Bruce did to get to his understanding of JKD now. He’s in his 60’s now but he did wing chun, he learnt non classical gung fu.. he went through all the steps to get to where he is and he easily is the closest to Bruce I’ve ever seen in terms of attributes. There is a reason why he demonstrated for the Bruce Lee estate twice.
Its so crazy how fractured it is... having been a student and full instructor under Guro Inosanto and Sifu Vunak, as well as a student under a main Ted Wong student here in Colorado... the differences are definitely obvious when it comes to the interpretations... but what lead me down the concepts path as an instructor, is the fact that bruce would have never remained stagnant. He would have grown in the martial arts world... look at the arrival of the Gracies... then the impact of Muay Thai (which Guro Inosanto brought a prominent Thai champion over to the US to train his students ala Ajarn Chai Surisute)... then the explosion of MMA as a whole, which Bruce's own written words reflect years earlier. Bruce would have changed with the times... the "nucleus"/original JKD camps preserve an archaic thought process of a teaching frozen in that time period... which is good for historical sake yes, but NOT if you want to evolve with combat. Its an ever changing landscape... to stay stagnant is to never grow. The Inosanto lineage grows, and believes in that growth. I see value in both methods being a student of the martial arts and the combat sports/arts as a whole, just sad that the philosophy is lost among students and friends of Bruce.
@@jagger_clawhe probably hasn’t. Good to see you here jagger. Most of these people don’t underhand the idea of JKD principles. Bruce figured out mechanical precision and the most effective and direct way to make use of your “tools” giving the situation. These people (concepts) show a fundamental lack of understanding regarding Bruce’s method and approach and often misunderstand his quotes as well. I’ve never seen Vunak show any sort of directness, simplicity, or economy of motion around the first two principles. Concepts JKD isn’t Bruce Lee’s JKD. It’s something else. Every-time I heard this “interpretation” talk that’s the problem. Bruce was clear about what he was teaching and practising. He was trying to get rid of the mess that concepts reintroduced.
“Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers
@axelstone3131 the problem with that is forgetting the process of how you initially got to that level. Bruce moved away from certain ideals and methods because he no longer needed them. Think training wheels... in concepts we still need the training wheels to attempt to reach a skill level similar to Bruce's overall. Hence the practice of Taolu or forms still being trained and then discarded when it's no longer needed. My whole argument is with nucleus people or the Ted Wong traditionalists that are frozen in time. Concepts moved on... times have changed and methods have changed. You have to grow and not be stagnant. But I do agree with preserving certain things for history and for drills... Bruce set out a list of ideals that need to be ever changing to adapt. It's pure ignorance not to see that grappling is necessary for combat (which is why Bruce was researching those methods before he passed) or that certain kickboxing methods ala Muay thai trump most methods found or utilized in "traditional" Styles stuck in performance mode. Concepts seeks to continue that research and growth. There's nothing wrong with that... and it doesn't "go against" the founders philosophy. Bruce was a product of his time and unfortunately passed before reaching his full potential, and before he reached the far corners of the martial arts in general. Truthfully go out and train, coach, compete, discover, and uncover for yourselves... stop pontificating over labels and quotes... put on the gloves and do. You'll eventually discover what path you're on.
@@RedSplinter36 people haven’t changed. People still have two arms and two legs. People still mechanically fight and move the same way. Regardless of everything you say, nothing has actually changed. The narrative of all these new martial arts and BJJ and all this stuff. When you actually look at what Bruce was doing by studying body mechanics and looking at things scientifically there really is no need to go about the concepts method that is pushed. I think the problem is most people simply can’t teach what Bruce did. Even Inosanto is on video saying a lot of what Bruce did most people can’t do and he himself admitted he couldn’t do a lot of it either. So if you can’t teach it you can’t do it. I personally think Tommy Carruthers is the JKD guy around. Until I discovered him I used to think JKD was just a bunch of mixed arts that looked sloppy in application. It was a pretty eye opening experience to actually find out what Bruce was really doing and his actual approach. Even Jesse Glover said Tommy is the closest person to Bruce he’s ever seen. If you don’t follow JKD principles and you don’t train like Bruce, you should drop the name JKD. What you are doing is a form of mma. Nothing more.
I'm a 40 year old man who's been studying the martial arts since I was 16 years old. This issue is one I've been hearing about almost since my first or second year studying. I was part of a Kajukenbo class taught by multiple black belts, and I remember hearing about this issue even back then. It always seemed to me like my instructors had a point, and that Linda was doing everything in her power to keep marketing off Bruce's name and all of his trademarks. It all seemed like a lot of pointless in fighting that Sijo Lee would have found disgusting. I've only met Guro Inosanto once, but I found his energy amazing, his knowledge deep, and his character honourable. I don't see how anyone could see clear to defaming the man.
That is what I said about Bruce. However, Wing Chun used to a degree has value. But not in MMA. And that goes for all the other cute looking arts. Yes. You're right!
Jesse Glover , who is rarely mentioned, is the secret to understanding JKD & Bruce Lee. Got most if these "so-called" JKD teachers material and articles over the years, but ONLY Jesse got me excited & reminded me on why I was into Bruce Lee's approach to combat in the streets. These other guys teach "sport", Bruce was not into that, nor "mixing" stuff and adding endless, complex techniques that are "rehearsed routines" that work with a "COMPLYING" partner in the dojo and not in real time in the street. Most DO NOT want real JKD, ESPECIALLY when they find out : 1 ) what it really takes to acquire and approach Bruce Lee like attributes in real time street fighting 2) when they find out that Bruce's statement " 1 in 10,000 will get JKD " actually means real JKD is NOT a mass market appeal and hardly any money in it, which is probably ONE of the reasons Bruce closed ALL his schools 3) That 99.99% of what people "call" JKD is a total waste of time and neither applicable in the reality of real street fighting nor improving to Bruce like proficiency which is why hardly ANYONE moves close to Bruce's speed, footwork, efficiency, devastation and simplicity. 4) NO so-called JKD practioner or instructor is willing to start from the beginning and UNLEARN the crap and bad habits they call JKD. 5 ) These so-calked JKD guys/ instructors Egos cannot be overcome..,their brand and income is at stake and for one, teaching real JKD, they would have to find another source of income because real JKD is not mass market friendly , have fancy ranks, fancy uniforms, fancy rank patches, no what is called "sparring", no trophies to win or contest, NO AUTOMATIC teaching creditials or permission to teach and open a school, etc,. 6) Most of Bruce's students and associates are B minus C plus students who are taking ANY association with Bruce to the bank. As an example, Jerry Poteets letter to and from Bruce regarding "Roses". 7) One of the secret paths to JKD is what most people call kickboxing, Bruce's invention and advancement of JKD, but everyone from Joe Lewis to Inosanto to MMA to other martial artists are doing not only a sport version of it, but an EXTREMLY watered down version and/or misunderstanding of the root and structure of JKD. 8) As another example, 99.999% of people who think they either know or think they are practicing JKD think The Straight Lead is a "jab"...,very, very wrong. 9) The years they wasted on adding "other" martial arts and/or mixing and matching techniques to create their "own" JKD is yet another misinterpretation of Bruce's quotes, sayings and statements on combat. 10) Real JKD is so F-A-R from Wing Chun, it's practically non-existant and totally useless and impractical in a street fight. A one month amateur boxer can kick ANY Wing Chun sifus arse, Wing Chun is simply too stiff, too immobile, too slow, which is ONE if the reasons Bruce called all 3 of his schools and told them Wing Chun & Chi Sao is OUT..., his words were ".....that sh** doesn't work...," In general, most martial artist, including JKD'ers only care about making money, fame, notoriety, impressing friends, fame, personal branding, being a movie star , contest wins/ trophies/ certificates/ sport applications, looking impressive and cool like a scripted fight choreograpy ( i.e. IP Man ).,but very few want to truly learn and have the ability to fight in the street or warfield For Reals.
Bravo. Very well researched, composed and presented my friend. The political divisions were indeed wide and bitter. Dan Inosanto is an honorable man, a superb martial artist and completely devoted to honoring Bruce Lee and his art. Bruce himself would be deeply saddened and angry by the state of his legacy.
Thank you Randy! I agree, Dan Inosanto is a superb martial artist. I'll never forget those days as a kid watching his fight with Bruce in Game of Death over and over. He's the reason I got interested in Kali (an excellent system imo).
My friend! He would also be sadden by being overrated. If JKD people meet common grounds politically, it would be just another Kung Fu method useless against MMA. However, give him credit for the book for going that direction. Unfortunately he wasn't able to live long enough to be a part of it.
Another major mistake in your rearch is you suggesting Guro Inosanto is the only student of Bruce to be featured in his movies. Kareem Abdul Jabbar was also in the Game of Death, and was also a student.
Also Chuck Norris, even though Chuckie himself doesn't want to admit it. There's been a letter floating about on Chuck's own admission that he was Bruce's student.
Chuck never had a problem admitting he trained with Bruce and learned from him. He did write a letter clarifying this as he felt Bruce had a misconception that he didnt.
There’s a difference between two martial artists sharing and exchanging knowledge and training and one being the student of the other. The letter that Chuck sent Bruce talked of the former, not the latter though Bruceploitation con artists and Lee’s more cultish fans have promoted that narrative.
Money is the root of the feud. Whoever was teaching Jkd with the name and Bruce’s emblems were making huge profits. I’ve met Linda and known Sifu Dan for 45 years. Both of their personalities are so humble and caring. It’s hard to believe that such a feud existed. Once Linda and Dan are no longer around on this earth. I hope Jkd can flourish the way Bruce intended without discrepancies and fake Jkd instructors, movies, books and videos
Given the restrictions Lee already put on Dan just when he left for Hong Kong, it is unlikely that Bruce intended anything but that the ideas stay true to themselves. Ironically to understand Lee's ideas requires a deep thinker like Lee himself, and it is unfortunately the case that great thinkers are very rare in the martial arts world.
It's not the money, it's the character of the people involved. Since there is now evidence that Linda hasn't been completely honest since her first bio of Bruce, and her being content to allow Shannon to turn Bruce into a property rather than a legacy, it's hard to evaluate the situation.
Not sure what the point of the video was, apart from making the Lee family and the “Originals” look bad. Seems this just needlessly adds further fuel to the “fire”. Oh well, back to training.
" Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own" Bruce Lee the rest is all money grabbing, or something of that sort.. How unfortunate for sifu Dan.
Had no idea of any of this! Sad to hear that they sued Dan Inosanto for things bruce gave him. I always wondered why Linda never had reunions with Dan. I believe he was not even present at her wedding when she re-married wirh Tom Bleeker. This sure explains why.
I agree. I was working security at Virgins Megastore in 1997 when she was promoting a documentary or book signing. I'm not clear on the event, but clear on one thing, her husband or Biographer or whoever he was, was shady. Is she just selling out and ignoring the importance of past students? Danny Inosanto is highly well educated in the arts and is articulate in his lectures.
Tom Bleeker is an asshole. That guys has done nothing but try make a living out talking shit about Bruce. Bruce had his flaws but to write books on him and say the things he’s said shows how much of an asshole the guy is.
Probably they sued him, because Inosanto promotes what he does using Bruce Lee's name, but what he does is not JKD. According to Tom Bleecker, Inosanto was invited for the wedding, but couldn't show up, so it was probably before he was sued.
I feel sorry for Dan Inosantso and other friends of Bruce Lee, in one of Dan's interviews he's with Joe Louis discussing about their martial arts and at one point mentioned that Bruce Lee's estate, Linda and Shannon keep a close eye on Bruce Lee's friends on what they say , it's got to be positive and always the good about Bruce Lee, I have been waiting to see a true biography on Bruce Lee on film , so far all the so called true stories about Bruce show only one side about him, what about the people he upset, the friends he lost, his drugs, his affairs etc, that's why Linda and Shannon are always there to make sure what is shown in those films ,even in the new film by Ang Lee starring his son let's just see how truthful it's going to be, this is only my opinion.
Who gives a fuck. It’s no body’s business. I suppose you’ve never made mistakes or upset someone? Do you know how many people tried to fuck Bruce Lee over? How many people have lied about him not being their teacher? Or tried to profit off him, by being associated with him? Doing seminars and making money off of “this is what Bruce Lee taught me” almost all of them and those very same people have talked shit and disrespected him since.
To anyone with the last name of "Lee", do not name your children "Bruce" or you'll probably be receiving a cease and desist letter from lawyers of Linda and Shannon Lee the way things are going! In fact don't even name your kid "Bruce" if your last name is Jones, Sanchez, Smith, Leclerc or anything or they'll be coming to sue you! 😁
great video, thanks for all of the useful info. we live in a crazy time where everybody is petty and wars over trivialities and minutiae. sad to see all these people feuding over it.
Jun Fan JKD is nice in that it preserves a legacy, as an artifact of its time. But its crystallization as a martial art, and of its methods and techniques are everything Bruce railed against. Dan inosanto got it right.
No he didn’t. You should look into Jesse Glover. He learnt more about Bruce’s direction than anyone and was there when Bruce said he was fencing with his hands and feet in 1965/1966. Dan isn’t the authority you think he is.
Concerning the NunChaKu, it would be better stated as Bruce Lee’s go to movie weapon prop. For the weapon itself was never part of Bruce Lee’s Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do curriculum at any stage of development (Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles).
True. I learned the NunChaku because of his performance in the ending of Chinese Connection. But when I learned it properly in school, I began to realized he wasn't that good at it. He just overrated the NunChaku. Master Danny Inosanto I only speculate informed him that not like the stick, the NunChaku is limited. Danny is a Master in Kali.
I think Shannon is just exploiting her father rather than honor his memory. When it comes to JKD. I would only listen to Dan inosanto. He was there from the beginning, and he helped Bruce develop JKD. Ted Wong seemed to be stuck in Bruce's original JKD and never evolved. Dan evolved over time and Bruce's would have respected Dan for evolving.
You can’t keep “evolving” how do you go past simplicity and directness? “People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
I can not see into the heart of Mr. Lee's wife, but I could see a protectionism of his legacy and works being natural. However, a man is more than who he marries, he is also the friendships he develops throughout his life. Therefore I believe Mr. Inosanto is the top teacher and best to carry the flag. It is my wish however that Mr. Inosanto is open and honest about what he teaches and what is JKD and what is not. I believe he is because at a time, a JKD class was only about once a week compared to all the other arts his class school had. Is a knife or stick JKD? Of course if it follows the most direct use, after all it is the hand that moves the knife, not the other way around.
No. Bruce was very clear about his method, what he practised and what he taught. If you aren’t following JKD principles you are NOT doing Bruce Lee’s JKD. You’re doing something else. JKD concepts isn’t Bruce Lee’s JKD. It’s something else. If you’re mixing your own stuff together that’s your own version of mma. NOT Bruce Lee’s JKD. The JKD should be used only and exclusively in regards to Bruce’s art. “Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers “"X is Jeet Kune Do Y is the style you will represent. To represent and teach Y one should drill its members according to the preaching of Y. This is the same with anyone who is qualified and has been approved to represent X. To justify by interfusing X and Y is basically the denying of Y....But still calling it Y. A man, as you put it, is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of rose will yield rose, and a garden of violets will yield violets." - Bruce Lee “Of my art - Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do - only one of 10,000 can handle it. It is martial art. Complete offensive attack. It is silly to think almost anyone can learn it.” -Bruce Lee
JKD, not being a style, remains recognizable among different fighters not because the techniques ("tools") are the same, but because the principles are the same. This is not to say that a JKD practitioner may use "any" tool chosen subjectively. Tools compatible with JKD are efficient flexible weapons, with the number limited by the individual's capacity to make them part of a "fighting vocabulary". If JKD's principles evolve, it will at some point no longer be JKD, and that's fine so long as it happens with good comprehension and good reasoning (and honesty). If you claim to teach JKD you should understand the principles and how to learn them, and you should at least know how to sharpen the basic tools Lee taught. If you wish to experiment with other tools, be clear about what you are doing.
@@AndSendMe JKD isn’t a style. It’s a toolset. Your “interpretation” which is exactly what it is just another “concepts” interpretation. That’s not what Bruce Lee did and that’s not what he taught. That’s it. The shark is perfectly adapted to its environment. The idea of “evolving” something that has already been through a significant scientific and methodical process to get to where it is, is utterly ridiculous. You are taking something that is efficient and direct and overcomplicating it and ending up in the same place Bruce’s spent years of his life trying to simplify.
@@axelstone3131 It's what Lee wrote. Funny that your understanding is so brittle and authority-based that you worship Lee's teachings as passed down by various people as dogma and Final Truth, so that when I say 'JKD is something specific, if you change it too much don't call it JKD' you can't hear me and see just an attack on JKD which, appallingly, you see as a static set of tools. It is a normal aspect of human existence to learn new things. New information about developing speed and endurance is changing the sports world, new information about how to develop and refine skills is changing the teaching of stringed instruments and sports. But you say JKD can't evolve. Then you are Bruce's enemy, and everything he warned against.
@@AndSendMe Bruce wrote a lot of things and contradicted them later on. There are all sorts of Bruce Lee quotes you can pick and choose from to suit your narrative but people ignore the ones where he quite clearly defined what HE does and what JKD IS. “Of my art - Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do - only one of 10,000 can handle it. It is martial art. Complete offensive attack. It is silly to think almost anyone can learn it.” (Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's Commentaries on the Martial Way. Lee, Little.” You probably have never seen that one have you? Not surprised. It goes against the narrative you and concepts people push. You have COMPLETELY misunderstood the mechanical principles and efficiency Bruce pushed for. People 50 years ago moved the same, punched and kicked the same. Isn’t that amazing? Contrary to what YOU say people even since we’ve been here ALL mechanically move the same. How many ways to throw a punch and kick do you really need to know? SMH. You don’t get it. Under pressure you use the things you’ve trained the most, the most direct and simple techniques. It’s about ending the confrontation not keeping it going. I’m done with this conversation. By all means, do what you want. But Bruce was methodical and scientific in what he did, and that’s why he had the edge over everyone else. The principles serve a function. If you want to train other things and overcomplicate it, blend shit up and hope it somehow works, you do that 👍🏻
I never saw Inosanto leech on the JKD name. He doesn't use JKD logos because he went beyond them. He's much more interested in teaching Filipino Martial Arts and talking about history.
Exactly my thought Dan is more on FMA than JKD itself. That's why with all of Bruce Lee students Ted Wong is the only one who moves exactly as Bruce Lee. Nevertheless Bruce Lee himself never restrict everyone to innovate or have scope of interest in fighting like the case of Dan who's interest is in FMA weaponry.
@@spitzfire1107closest person to Bruce since Bruce is Tommy Carruthers. Jesse Glover said other than Tommy he has never seen anyone ever be able to move and apply JKD the same way Tommy does
Ok 1 JAMES YIMM LEE was head of all as OAKLAND was the Birth place of JKD.Takki was 2nd in command the Inosanto and No 1 will dispute that. Fact the OAKLAND BASIC TO INSTRUCTOR JKD MANUAL for all 3 schools Has no kali, escrima, silat, kuntao, ect. JKD is intercepting.Look.at this does a Missile enter with Thai boxing, then some wWng Chun, then Kick boxing.Then Silat and some say MMA. BRUCE was again karate as they did this and then and then and many things before.Doing a single thing. JKD HIT HIT HIT.There is non passive motion.See.Steve.Golden demo.JKD clip from Nucleus telling .It is not tan sau ,trap ,trap ect.You hit Intercept aka Destroy that attack. Now i will never put down Inosanto as He had level 3. That does not say Instructor.1 level was 1 yr,2 was 2 yrs and 3 was 3 yrs.Note.see Dan Inosanto jkd rank youtube He tells he not take 25yrs befor they are full instructor.Many like Leo Fong had JKD instructor class.I have a copy of his letter.Many inder Takki were higher then lever 3.There is No art were 3 yrs 3 times. A week 1 hour a time for 3yrs is instructor.You have to have over 1000hours for basic instructor in most arts. No 1 has 12 hours a month in a a total of 360 hours at best.is instructor. Bruce had many black sashes in Washington.He had black Sashes in Oakland. Look up Bruce Lee Washington jun fan class photo Glover,Demiles,Takki had a blue up to black Look it up They had higher the level 3.
Dan Inosanto represents the true spirit and philosophy of Bruce Lee than Bruce's wife. For Linda to push revisionist history of Bruce never having studied anything from Dan is a blatant lie and shameful, and that alone makes me side with Dan. Dan moved onto more effective forms of martial arts like Brazilian Jujitsu whereas the trademarked version of JKD has become another close-minded traditional martial art that shuns other martial arts, and that's against the actual philosophy of Bruce's JKD.
@GeorgeOu JKD is not about throwing together whatever you wish and call it jkd. Jerry Poteet asked Bruce about mixing other styles like karate into the jkd training. Bruce said no and wrote this to Jerry: "X is Jeet Kune Do, Y is the style you will represent. To represent and teach Y one should drill its members according to the preaching of Y. This is the same with anyone who is qualified and has been approved to represent X. To justify by interfusing X and Y is basically the denying of Y....But still calling it Y. A man, as you put it, is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of rose will yield rose, and a garden of violets will yield violets." JKD according to Bruce called it "efficient street fighting with everything goes" when he told William cheung in 1969. The idea is to not follow rules and restrictions like traditional styles by having training and sparring for the street which is fluid and consistently different like what is in the fighting method books. BJJ for street defense is a bad idea if there is more then one person or they have a knife. Bruce was aware of grappling like this but did not teach that or recommend it.
@@SuperMaryu767Bruce Lee was smart enough to evolve. It's possible to find a lot of things that he contradicted himself on either in writing or in interviews. Some of what he said was to appease his Chinese fanbase, and he's human so he's not above that. Other things he would say when he was younger was "Chinese system is the best" but there are letters from him where he has lost all confidence in Chinese systems. So I don't doubt you Bruce says you should stick with a system. The question is when did he say it, and who did he say it to. Was it when he was young and not as wise, or was this just Bruce Lee the politician feeding Chinese national pride? As for Grappling, Bob Wall recounted a story of Bruce Lee being called out by a young guy in Hong Kong during filming. Wall said Bruce took him down to the ground and pounded him out. Bruce Lee also showed grappling in Enter The Dragon.
@@GeorgeOu not saying that Bruce did not know grappling rather he did not stress grappling in a street context. More on boxing, kicks, eye gouging, grabs, throws, trips (no wing chun after 1969) as long it’s simple direct and economical using closest weapon to nearest target and not forcing a favorite technique. People think that Bruce advocated especially his style about adding and discarded whatever they want but the real context is using simple things, discarded stuff that does not follow the 3 principles and what is specifically your own is your skills and your build. It’s not what you decide from other styles since they are not yours, muay Thai is not yours, judo isn’t and so forth.
@@SuperMaryu767 Street fighting or self defense in the context of unarmed martial arts is delusional. It's a non-issue because nobody is going to beat a knife much less a gun with bare hands. Bruce Lee even wrote a letter saying that he's lost faith in all classical Chinese martial arts, and that they're all "dry land swimming". He was light years ahead of his martial arts peers to see this and adopt the mixed martial arts approach, and finding what works for the individual. He didn't believe in a generalized solution much less an individual martial art. His style was no style, and the individual had to find what worked for them.
@@GeorgeOu I have read the letter of the dragon book as well, style of no style meant that it was adaptable to the situation and was not bound to the rules and restrictions like if you do boxing and in a fight you do things according to boxing. MMA is different to jkd since mma is combining styles for different distances and switching styles and techniques whereas jkd is about using techniques according to the 3 main principles. JKD adapts to the person of day the person has more skill in kicking then focus on kicking, if the person is small then kick, bigger person can use his longer arm reach, if the person has good mobility then use that to intercept.
Just to make it clear, Linda Lee has had issues with almost everybody in the JKD community. I don't mean to throw any clout at her but you know she runs an empire and that's that... Pretty much all of Bruce Lee's disciples were incredible martial artist and incredible fighters. I can name of no one who is bad. The thing is Bruce Lee had such an incredible high standard for You're martial arts ability. You should check out fook Yueng s stuff The secret jdk stuff is all sourced from two systems, Hong Kong Wing Chun and red Opera Wing Chun/ fook Yueng chuan from what I understand. Disregard the politics ... Go to the old school students who are still left and learn the deeper knowledge...
Considering that Shannon Lee and Diana Inonsanto (the heirs of their respective fathers' systems) are good friends, who do not quarrel over Nucleus JKD vs. JKD Concepts, there should no longer be any friction between the Nucleus vs. Concepts camps. Shannon and Diana could say: "End all of the bickering now, because this is our system". Personally, I am a Concepts guy, but I don't argue with the Nucleus adherents, because there is validity and practicality in what they follow and study. For that matter, I don't bicker with any other martial artist of any other system.
I'm James DeMile lineage; Given a type of opponent, Jeet Kune Do is synergistically designed/system-engineered from numerous martial arts for one particular type of person to beat’m. The only pure martial art is the pretty ineffective one U.S. NAVY WWII ERA TRAINING FILM HAND TO HAND COMBAT PART 1 & PART 2 79444 (GREAT) th-cam.com/video/IKb_3tC4FJg/w-d-xo.html Oh, I forgot to say !Demile 1inch Punch Rules! ;) th-cam.com/video/8aRkYaJ3Vd8/w-d-xo.html
It's a shame, especially there was no need to go after Guro Dan like that. That broke a lot of hearts since Dan was the closest to Bruce. That left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I understand the trademark issue but the politics it what destroyed it all.
I’ve followed everything on Bruce and JKD for 40 years. Here’s the bottom line Dan and Ted were given full head instructors control from Bruce when he left for Hong Kong which with Sufi’s blessing to teach JKD as Sifu intended. Linda and Shannon are just being selfish and petty for no reason or justification. It’s sad
You're wrong abt that, Bruce Lee only certified three individuals to teach on his behalf and they were Taky Kimura, James Lee (no relations), and Dan Inosanto. Ted Wong was the last student Bruce Lee accepted and trained personally and after Bruce Lee left for Hong Kong he entrusted Ted's continued JKD training with Dan Inosanto. Get the facts right buddy and these are undisputed. Not sure what really went down coz even those this video again sheds light into the fraction but its not a full length documentary with both sides given the chance to explain and clarify but for whatever reason I think Linda Lee Cadwell in the end chose Ted Wong to lead JKD or who she chose as the face of the art and its a shame because now there is a clear division and it shouldn't be that way. Whether you wanna stick to the original teachings of Bruce Lee or evolve which if you're just a casual Bruce Lee fan would know evolution was Bruce Lee's chief aim and belief in Martial Arts so either way its all for the better
As sad as it may be - in all fairness this story is nothing new. As soon as the founder of any original style was no longer present to maintain the true way of the art - his students would start going separare ways for all different reasons. Traditional martial arts were about the art itself rarely bringing prosperity to their followers (rare exeptions aside). As soon as martial arts were popularised moving to the west after WW 2 - they began transformation into business models. Which combined with different visions by former 1st students - multipled different versions of the same style. Until it all came to what it is now.
"X is Jeet Kune Do Y is the style you will represent. To represent and teach Y one should drill its members according to the preaching of Y. This is the same with anyone who is qualified and has been approved to represent X. To justify by interfusing X and Y is basically the denying of Y...But still calling it Y. A man, as you put it, is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of rose will yield rose, and a garden of violets will yield violets." - Bruce Lee
What everyone is missing are the Seattle years. James demile, Jesse glover , taki Kimora who all were instrumental in the early years of developing all of what came to be deemed Lees art. all prior to Dan.
@1:47 "The nunchucks, which was featured in 4 of Bruce Lee films". That's like saying"He was given birth to by one of his mothers". You can only be given birth to by ONE mother, Lee only made 4 films. To say the chucks featured in 4 of Bruce Lee films is nonsensical as he only made 4 films (Tower of Death is not even a film btw, there's only 5-10 minutes of useable footage). So the chucks were technically only featured in 3 of his 4 films, as Tower of Death is not a film since the total footage isn't even as long as a Seinfeld episode.
Fine, if you want to be a pedantic nerd about it. Most people consider Game of Death as one of his films because, let's face it, the whole reason it was made into a feature-length movie is because of that 10 minutes of footage.
Guru Dan Inosanto was the reason that the first Brazilian Jui Jitsu Black Belts in America were JKD guys and that’s awesome, That would have made Bruce Lee proud , that JKD wasn’t an elitist to to an up and coming martial art sport called MMA or Brazilian Jui Jitsu but instead researched it and incorporated it
Pretty sure Bruce would be ashamed if he knew the outcome of all his hard work. What happened to the simple love of learning and expansion of martial arts? Yes, Bruce was all about learning new concepts and adding to his own art to make it better as he saw fit. Staying stagnant is very anti-Bruce Lee/JKD. What a sad state of affairs.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
although I do not doubt there are issues with whats going on I do want to mention that many of the things mentioned are hear say words like supposed or could be words are not facts . one thing I do know is thas Bruce Lee did use many different Martial arts like escreema ( probably not spelled correctly) and none martial like fencing. so when people say that Bruce never used a ceratin martial art is more true then not true he learned many things then adjusted them himself , which actually is what JKD is all about ,it isnt just one style it more like Taosim , its no style and every person that is taught properly is taught according to their body type and personality way, there are the only few things which are to kick and punch properly , throws also are taught properly, everything else is adapted to the person . which is very Taoist which Bruce Lee seemed to be . of course I cannot totally confirm this because I have never personally met Bruce Lee . I do agree that there were many many videos and books and other things out there that used and still use Bruce Lees names for profit, hell even the martial art Jeet Kwon Do has been used and the ones I have seen are not even close to what Bruce originaly was teaching ,possibly wasn't actually from his Art. This makes sense as to why Bruce Lees family would go after such frauds . as it is there are very few Martial Arts schools I have visited tha t teach properly and I am speaking of different schools of those Arts it has come down to money and . it is unfortunate that all of the fighting and such is happening for this once great man from the little I do know of him from 50+ years of reading watching video clips of him on talk shows I am sure he would be saddened by all of this .
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
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1. JKD is more streamlined and refined focused more on fencing and boxing, with little to no emphasis of wing chun, such as trapping and chi sao. Bruce Lee took those things out the curriculum in 1971. 2. Jun fan gung fu still has a large wing chun emphasis such as trapping, sticking and chi sao. Bruce moved away from those things because he found more effective and streamline methods. Jeet Kune Do is the finished product essentially. Further research will give you better answers. JKD concepts is something Dan Inosanto came up with. It wasn’t a thing when Bruce Lee was around. There was no “JKD concepts” it was just JKD. JKD as Bruce developed it consists of directness, simplicity and economy of motion. If you follow the principles what you do should be efficient with no wasted motion or unnecessary steps to get the job done. JKD concepts doest’t follow JKD principles. It adds more unnecessary styles and techniques to a simple and refined martial art making it more complicated, less efficient and less direct. More steps to get the job done basically, meaning more opportunity and chance for you to get hurt.
@@axelstone3131 I still believe, to this day, after all these years, that Dan added the word “concepts” as his way to keep his promise with Bruce not to commercialize JKD. I’m so glad that Shannon and Diana are on good terms these days. Very good explanation of the differences of the arts, by the way.
@@da.reverend thanks man I appreciate that. I just think by Dan doing what he did he’s misrepresented JKD and confused a lot of people. I used to think it was mixed arts and kali and all this stuff as well. I now have a much better understanding of Bruce was doing but it took me a long time to get to that point. It wasn’t until I saw Tommy Carruthers that I finally got it. I agree, he did promise Bruce not to commercialise it. I also think it’s not for everyone, as Bruce himself stated. But I feel like if Dan hadn’t taken the direction he did maybe it wouldn’t be in such a mess now.
In my opinion the truth is in the middle. The concept current has safeguarded concepts but has also produced drifts such as collecting endless techniques, as opposed to the minimalism proposed by Bruce Lee. The original current has the merit of having preserved the latest evolution of Lee's style but freezing it as a traditional style. This rigidity was precisely one of Lee's main criticisms of traditional styles. My view is that JKD is a philosophy (concepts) for free martial researchers. This is Lee's great gift. But I also believe that one of his founding principles is to explore to then synthesize one's own style and not to collect endless ones.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
Hab inosanto mal in Speyer getroffen mit Joel Clark glaube und Udo Mueller einfach Legenden Willst du ein gebrechlicher alter man sein oder ein zwar etwas langsamer gefährlicher alter Mann sein ? Dann Öle immer deine Knie Scheiben . Das war sein Tipp an mich hahahahah
Bruce himself said you have to adapt his concepts to what works for you. Anything else is just copying Bruce Lee. Then it just becomes just another style, which is the antithesis of JKD. It seems that Dan Inosanto teaches a stripped down for of Filipino Martial Arts. That seems to be what closest to what Jeet Kune Do is all about rather than just an imitation of Bruce's style, though it should be more of a mix of different arts and not just the one. But it's always the practitioner, and never the art whatever the style. It has to be what works for the individual.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
It's funny how many arguments i've seen online when there's a JKD video imerges - "this is JKD not that ( and vice versa)" - if u look at Lee's definition and explanation of JKD, he himself contradicts himself. - good grief, this has to stop - I just say my JKD or my method just so no one chimes in negatively.
@@gunnerhiro394 no, you’re doing mma. You fundamentally misunderstand JKD. “People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily JKD instructor “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers
@@axelstone3131 - I can quote Lee's actual words - not people who never studied with him like Tommy Carruthers. Learn, little boy. You should add grappling to your imitation JKD or you'll get tapped out by a grappler like caruthers did.
@@gunnerhiro394 little boy? What kind of petty response is that. You truly are a pathetic individual. Looks like the Dunning-Kruger effect is at play here. Tommy is better than any student who ever studied under Bruce. He has all the attributes needed to make JKD work. You don’t and neither did any other student under Bruce. At least Jesse Glover (Bruce first student since you probably have no idea who that is) who arguably knew Bruce’s goals and direction he wanted to take JKD better than anyone else admitted most people who learn under Bruce never even studied with him that long and most definitely had no idea about simplicity and directness. Quote Bruce all you want. You guys are all the same. Bruce Lee contradicted himself all the time. Look at what Bruce did not what he said. You might actually learn something.
Guru Dan did take part in one of Bruce Lee’s movie. But Guru Dan is not the only Bruce’s student app reading in a Bruce Lee movie. Ted Baker , another Bruce Lee’s student, who stared in Fist of Fury.
Does it matter? No one who uses this has managed to get anywhere in modern fighting. If it worked it would be viable in MMA. I’m sure it’s better than aikido or whatever. But, any martial art works against someone who can’t fight. And if it works against people who can, it would be put to use in MMA.
"If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from “this” or from “that,” then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don’t fuss over it." Ted Wong was a pale copy of JKD. Just a "punching bag" and nothing more. He did not have the soul of JKD. Den Inosanto is real deal.🤩🤩🤩🥰😇
Thanks for this. It's weird that this is coming up for me again. What JKD needs most right now is an honest and deep thinker with connections to Dan and Linda. What Linda did to Dan so late in the game sounds less like who Linda seemed to be once, and more like what Shannon is turning out to be.
@@axelstone3131 Dan trained with and knew Lee right to the end of his life. Glover passed through Lee's life very early, and Carruthers never even met him. Carruthers might be a good bet as an instructor given who he has trained with, but your statement lacks proper context and qualifies as misinformation.
Bruce was only tought external wc. Not real internal wc. He just a nice guy. Who was nothing more than a movie star. Just a movie star. U like to get beat up learn mashall arts. U want to learm how to fight then learn real pro boxing
somewhat fair assessment of what happened. I trained in both camps. It was just fodder for magazines because no one really cared. The Core group had intense egos and really unenthusiastic which made no sense while the concepts kept adding symbols to their shirts which was ridiculous. Happy to see MMA quelled that. There was a Bruce Lee convention in Burbank and it was very embarassing for the core group except for Ted Wong that actually was interested in showing what he learned from Bruce. I like Shannon has taken back the legacy. In the 90's Bruce's image was treated like public domain and magazines made tons of money from his image. She's taking her father's legacy in a better direction now that she has control.
"Kept adding symbols to their shirts"... From what I observed they kept adding symbols to those damn sweat pants they always wore in the magazines Almost always some obscure south east asian martial art school Kali/Arnis/Eskrima/Dumog/Kina Mutai/Pentjak Silat/Bando/ Muay Thai/Pananandata/Krabi Kabong......and on and on With a Machado bros BJJ to try to seem legit
I don't believe Guro Inosanto is a "first" generation student of Bruce Lee. As for Mr. Lee's first generation students, I believe they are those that studied with him in Seattle Washington, long before he moved to California.
Bruce met Jesse Glover and Taky Kimura in 1959. He met Dan Inosanto 5 years later in 1964. He still hadn't even developed Jeet Kune Do. You're telling me Dan shouldn't be counted as a first-generation student?
@@phoenixmountain I never said that. I know some people have That part of Bruce Lees history is vague because some information is lost through time which is unfortunate.
DAN INOSANTO ha avuto ragione ha non approfondire l'adesione nel nucleo jkd una cosa organizzata con i piedi ( i suoi istruttori dovevano rifare l'esame da istruttori ed esaminati da gente inconpetente che ne sapeva e ne sa meno di loro ! Poi il fatto che Dan inosanto non ha mai insegnato il jkd ultimo stadio ( cioe scherma a mani nude lo considero un grave errore quando si va da inosanto per imparare il jkd non si capisce dove sia il jkd tecnico dove sta lo scheletro del sistema !doveva chiare la faccenda ! Insegnare la via dei concetti del jkd come ha fatto ! ma insegnare anche quello che esiste come scheletro del jkd alla morte di Bruce Lee ! Male molto male ! In piu cosa gravissima e stato servile nei confronti di wiliam cheung quando cheung ha detto che il jkd e una montagna di immondizia se uno infanga la memoria del mio maestro lo faccio a pezzi invece si e cagato addosso ! Poi sul fatto che Linda lee e la figlia sannon non hanno capito un cazzo su cosa ha effettivamente creato Bruce Lee siamo pienamente d'accordo ma inosanto ha fatto degli errori di valutazione di come diffondere L' arte del suo maestro ! E non lo ha difeso quando quel porco di wiliam cheung ne ha offeso la memoria ! Wiva emin Boztepe che lo ha picchiato a colonia in germania nel 1986! Vendicando la memoria di Bruce Lee!
I always found how strange that the fracture exists. I have trained with different instructors under Inosanto, Wong, Poteet,Vunak & Bustillo over the years. I never believed in JKDC and OJKD. To me it's just JKD. I'm in Japan now still training in JKD under the Aomori Branch (under Nakamura). Each instructor has their own flavor in doing things. They are continuing our Sijo's legacy.
The part of JKD stating "Add what is completely your own", will automatically change JKD with each instructor. No need to quarrel. Learn from each other what they added or subtracted..
I don't believe in adding into the system or a founders art but I do believe in the individual adding to himself. adding to the system can only short change the system or style, it can remove important techniques for other techniques, specially change muscle memory. now, adding from the system itself is ideal.
@@CBHDK59 You have JKD. Self expression. You are right.
“Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers
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anything rejected from a system should be put in words or hand writing by the founder, this way is a sure statement. jkd has been taught for 55 year or so and when the damage is done is done, to bad for jkd.
@@CBHDK59 it’s important to understand, Bruce didn’t like teaching. He wasn’t trying to create something to be taught. He was developing something for himself that suited his attributes. The fact is he was very fast, very powerful and very proficient at what he did. People saw him demonstrate and wanted to be taught by him. It went from there. By the late 60’s he’d essentially stopped teaching and left to make movies in Hong Kong. Those 3 to 4 years were essentially him just training himself for himself, not other people. It’s well known he didn’t teach or show everything he knew. Bruce wanted to have the edge over others and the way to do that is by keeping certain things to yourself. There are only a few people who know what he was doing by the 70’s or the direction he went. Most do not teach late stage JKD because they either don’t know the material, can’t actually physically do it or they are an Inosanto student and follow Inosanto’s teaching which is very much the opposite of Bruce’s approach.
Unlike the majority of martial arts instructors. Bruce wasn’t interested in being an instructor, everything he developed was for himself first and foremost.
He clarified the principles of JKD very clearly simplicity, directness, economy of motion, and many, many JKD instructors, especially concepts instructors do not follow those principles.
Although there are great techniques that can be adopted by any martial artist, Bruce did what worked best for him & shared his knowledge. Just copying his every move goes against his approach of choosing what works best for you as an individual, which was the element of traditional martial arts that he criticized. Personally, I don’t see why they can’t be honest about this. If you want to mimic his every movement, that’s fine. However, you can also take his approach in learning many styles & disregarding the things that don’t work. Also, even if it was just for his movies, Bruce used Kali sticks & the Tabak Toyok (Filipino nunchaku), so to say that he didn’t isn’t exactly honest.
1:50 Just for some clarification, that weapon featured heavily in Bruce Lee's movies is the Filipino version of the Nunchaku, that has two medium length sticks connected by a chain of equal length, not the traditional Okinawan Nunchaku, that has long wooden sticks connected by a short strap or rope. I just recently learned this difference during a debate.
I think more people are just using Bruce Lee's name for business purposes. Fewer are actually practicing a personal original martial art.
I feel this is a big problem for all groups of JKD people . I believe both Inosanto and Wong had so much to contribute to the JKD world . Wong with his adherence to Lee's last 6 years of life and Inosanto a more inclusive approach of other arts . Wong looked at it from the point of view less is more , keeping it simple for a faster reaction time . Inosanto with an approach of JKD as a philosophy more than a system in itself . Whatever way you choose , ask yourself ? What is my goal in training ? Am I trying to be a better self defender ? Am I looking at JKD as an art of self expression ? Or maybe a little of both ? Get out and train have fun if you're not happy with it what good is it ?
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Bruce Lee laid the template of Jeet Kune Do. The 'original' is important in this matter, to be first and foremost, and then from there, you proceed with the 'concept' because Jeet Kune Do expands according to the individual being a unique person. One only deviates from JKD upon taking into the system a martial art that does not go through the spectrum of the JKD principles upon which it is founded. For example, if one adapts Taekwondo, Jiujitsu, and Bulshido and starts calling the mixture as JKD, without applying the core teachings is misrepresenting what JKD is. Absorbing what is useful will only be truly useful if a technique is reformed into JKD material and that the individual finds and accepts that it will be efficiently included into his arsenal and repertoire. Is this the problem with Inosanto, does what he teaches no longer is finetuned by the lens of core of JKD? What happened to 'discard what is not useful'?
I remember hearing about this when the Jeet Kune Do Nucleus magazine was released in the late 90's. There just wasn't a lot of information about it. Just that Dan Inosanto was not part of Linda Lee Cadwell's vision for the JKD, as Dan Inosanto was disappointed on what Linda Lee Cadwell wanted to do with it.
Dan Inosanto like Bruce Lee was about being an eternal student to keep evolving and what works for you individually.
Linda Lee Cadwell trying to monopolize JKD is appalling.
I am on Dan Inosanto's side on this one.
All you really need to understand about Linda Lee can be shown in the Bruce Lee Drug letters and how her inquest testimony was... inconsistent with the facts in a large way. Add the lawsuit against Guro Dan and, well, that's the kindest way to put it.
I met Diana back in the 90s in Long Beach at her Studio where I was punching a kicking a tree she was in the car with Barton Richards man she gave me the look of disapproval and I was wrong activate the long story short to open up the studio and she talked me about the usual prices of you know studio time very kind lady and I always appreciate. That the character Blaze from Sega Streets of Rage the first one look like her at the time with that long hair
U make no sense
Burton Richardson not Barton Richards
Get the names right in your ridiculous fantasy
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@@Rob-z7k and you're a zero
@georgetrusty7696 there's no memories to be jealous of
You fabricated those fantasies in dreams
Dan Inosanto brought Cali into JKD and that’s facts Jack…
Dan should just start developing another martial art and call it what he wills.
Isn't JKD a concept rather than an art?
Wow, mine boggling it’s all about the $
Jesus didn't want to build a religion, Bruce didn't want to build a style.... Just saying.
Bruce Lee like Dan as a person but not as a martial artist, he said he does not get it. He also told him to immediately close the school because he liked quality not quantity. Bruce did not teach in Chinatown , and Jerry Poteet was never certified , Bruce actually threw his folder in the trash . Bruce Lee did not study Kali. He said the stick is just an extension of your hand and why would you hit someone’s hand when their head is open. Peter Chins book comes out next yr , the last disciple .
Incorrect. Bruce Lee did teach in Chinatown. There are plenty of photos and even videos to illustrate this fact.
Sifu Jerry Poteet had a certification so did Sifu Daniel Lee from Bruce Lee to teach. Linda Lee Cadwell is still with us, thank God. She would tell you who ranked where. In fact, she did mention it at Sifu Jerry's and Sifu Daniel Lee's memorial service. This is how misinformation continues to grow. Speak/type the truth or keep your opinions to yourself.
clout chasing this account now huh? Everything you post is a joke.
@@sifumontgomery this guy is a clout chaser with bot followers he paid for. He stirs up garbage for attention. Bad as the Beerdy channel.
@LouKiss Thank you! Makes sense now. I unfortunately went to his channel and was unimpressed, to say the least. Looks like he lives in or visits the LA area often. Sifu Fran Poteet-Joseph and I live here and would enjoy paying him a visit if he continues to mention false information about Sifu Jerry. It is funny how all these know it all "tough" guys wait until the Sifu passes away before they start trash talking.
@@sifumontgomery he was posting on a very large Wing Chun forum I was an administrator for. We banned him for the same thing he is doing here. Desperately trying to make a name for himself.
Ugh. Politics ruin everything. Especially JKD.....sort of. Once you start just training for yourself, all that stuff begins to be arbitrary. I respect Inosanto greatly, and think of it wasn't for him, Lee's philosophy wouldn't have been so profound. His image? Yes. But his philosophy...one of constant change...wouldn't be so prevalent. Too many Bruce Lee "Purists".
“Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers
I'm confused by this statement. Is the latter example "do anything and call it jkd"? Because I thought Original JKD was more fencing and boxing, and I guess very little Wing Chun. Although he did seem to do his own modified chi sao, and wooden dummy techniques, but it does seem to have taken a back seat.
@@phoenixmountain he means the latter being more boxing and fencing, with little to no wing chun. Honestly it seems like everything Bruce did was highly modified and changed from what he was taught.
A lot of people teach all these martial arts Bruce either didn’t do, or didn’t think much of and teach it under the name “JKD concepts” stuff like Muay Thai or Kali. Stuff that was never in the JKD curriculum.
So a lot of people who teach original JKD, are still teaching stuff Bruce removed from the curriculum in 71. A lot of them are still heavily influenced by and still teaching a lot of wing chun.
The different with with Tommy Carruthers teaches is that he’s teaching late stage JKD, fencing boxing, with further refinement following the principles of directness and simplicity.
Instead of going the concepts route which is complicating something that was effective because of how streamlined and refined it was.
Most JKD guys are stuck in the 60’s curriculum. Tommy went through a similar process Bruce did to get to his understanding of JKD now. He’s in his 60’s now but he did wing chun, he learnt non classical gung fu.. he went through all the steps to get to where he is and he easily is the closest to Bruce I’ve ever seen in terms of attributes. There is a reason why he demonstrated for the Bruce Lee estate twice.
Nun chucker is not used like this. Its a total con. Jkd crap
Reminds me of the bull shit in religions.protestant ,catholic,sects of hindu or islam..///12.26.23
A martial arts community devolving into political and social backstabbing soon after the founder is gone? #sayitaintso
Since you cannot claim “intellectual property rights” to whatever works in a fight, the essence of Jeet Kune Do cannot be owned by anyone.
Its so crazy how fractured it is... having been a student and full instructor under Guro Inosanto and Sifu Vunak, as well as a student under a main Ted Wong student here in Colorado... the differences are definitely obvious when it comes to the interpretations... but what lead me down the concepts path as an instructor, is the fact that bruce would have never remained stagnant. He would have grown in the martial arts world... look at the arrival of the Gracies... then the impact of Muay Thai (which Guro Inosanto brought a prominent Thai champion over to the US to train his students ala Ajarn Chai Surisute)... then the explosion of MMA as a whole, which Bruce's own written words reflect years earlier. Bruce would have changed with the times... the "nucleus"/original JKD camps preserve an archaic thought process of a teaching frozen in that time period... which is good for historical sake yes, but NOT if you want to evolve with combat. Its an ever changing landscape... to stay stagnant is to never grow. The Inosanto lineage grows, and believes in that growth. I see value in both methods being a student of the martial arts and the combat sports/arts as a whole, just sad that the philosophy is lost among students and friends of Bruce.
Hey have you ever heard of 'reaction lag time' or 'progressive weapon chart'?🤔
@@jagger_clawhe probably hasn’t. Good to see you here jagger. Most of these people don’t underhand the idea of JKD principles. Bruce figured out mechanical precision and the most effective and direct way to make use of your “tools” giving the situation. These people (concepts) show a fundamental lack of understanding regarding Bruce’s method and approach and often misunderstand his quotes as well. I’ve never seen Vunak show any sort of directness, simplicity, or economy of motion around the first two principles. Concepts JKD isn’t Bruce Lee’s JKD. It’s something else. Every-time I heard this “interpretation” talk that’s the problem. Bruce was clear about what he was teaching and practising. He was trying to get rid of the mess that concepts reintroduced.
“Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers
@axelstone3131 the problem with that is forgetting the process of how you initially got to that level. Bruce moved away from certain ideals and methods because he no longer needed them. Think training wheels... in concepts we still need the training wheels to attempt to reach a skill level similar to Bruce's overall. Hence the practice of Taolu or forms still being trained and then discarded when it's no longer needed. My whole argument is with nucleus people or the Ted Wong traditionalists that are frozen in time. Concepts moved on... times have changed and methods have changed. You have to grow and not be stagnant. But I do agree with preserving certain things for history and for drills... Bruce set out a list of ideals that need to be ever changing to adapt. It's pure ignorance not to see that grappling is necessary for combat (which is why Bruce was researching those methods before he passed) or that certain kickboxing methods ala Muay thai trump most methods found or utilized in "traditional" Styles stuck in performance mode. Concepts seeks to continue that research and growth. There's nothing wrong with that... and it doesn't "go against" the founders philosophy. Bruce was a product of his time and unfortunately passed before reaching his full potential, and before he reached the far corners of the martial arts in general. Truthfully go out and train, coach, compete, discover, and uncover for yourselves... stop pontificating over labels and quotes... put on the gloves and do. You'll eventually discover what path you're on.
@@RedSplinter36 people haven’t changed. People still have two arms and two legs. People still mechanically fight and move the same way. Regardless of everything you say, nothing has actually changed. The narrative of all these new martial arts and BJJ and all this stuff. When you actually look at what Bruce was doing by studying body mechanics and looking at things scientifically there really is no need to go about the concepts method that is pushed.
I think the problem is most people simply can’t teach what Bruce did. Even Inosanto is on video saying a lot of what Bruce did most people can’t do and he himself admitted he couldn’t do a lot of it either. So if you can’t teach it you can’t do it.
I personally think Tommy Carruthers is the JKD guy around. Until I discovered him I used to think JKD was just a bunch of mixed arts that looked sloppy in application. It was a pretty eye opening experience to actually find out what Bruce was really doing and his actual approach.
Even Jesse Glover said Tommy is the closest person to Bruce he’s ever seen.
If you don’t follow JKD principles and you don’t train like Bruce, you should drop the name JKD. What you are doing is a form of mma. Nothing more.
Just started realizing in the last decade or so just how Important Mr Inosanto is to the Lee and JKD legacy.
I'm a 40 year old man who's been studying the martial arts since I was 16 years old. This issue is one I've been hearing about almost since my first or second year studying. I was part of a Kajukenbo class taught by multiple black belts, and I remember hearing about this issue even back then. It always seemed to me like my instructors had a point, and that Linda was doing everything in her power to keep marketing off Bruce's name and all of his trademarks. It all seemed like a lot of pointless in fighting that Sijo Lee would have found disgusting. I've only met Guro Inosanto once, but I found his energy amazing, his knowledge deep, and his character honourable.
I don't see how anyone could see clear to defaming the man.
That is what I said about Bruce. However, Wing Chun used to a degree has value. But not in MMA. And that goes for all the other cute looking arts. Yes. You're right!
Jesse Glover , who is rarely mentioned, is the secret to understanding JKD & Bruce Lee.
Got most if these "so-called" JKD teachers material and articles over the years, but ONLY Jesse got me excited & reminded me on why I was into Bruce Lee's approach to combat in the streets.
These other guys teach "sport", Bruce was not into that, nor "mixing" stuff and adding endless, complex techniques that are "rehearsed routines" that work with a "COMPLYING" partner in the dojo and not in real time in the street.
Most DO NOT want real JKD, ESPECIALLY when they find out :
1 ) what it really takes to acquire and approach Bruce Lee like attributes in real time street fighting
2) when they find out that Bruce's statement " 1 in 10,000 will get JKD " actually means real JKD is NOT a mass market appeal and hardly any money in it, which is probably ONE of the reasons Bruce closed ALL his schools
3) That 99.99% of what people "call" JKD is a total waste of time and neither applicable in the reality of real street fighting nor improving to Bruce like proficiency which is why hardly ANYONE moves close to Bruce's speed, footwork, efficiency, devastation and simplicity.
4) NO so-called JKD practioner or instructor is willing to start from the beginning and UNLEARN the crap and bad habits they call JKD.
5 ) These so-calked JKD guys/ instructors Egos cannot be overcome..,their brand and income is at stake and for one, teaching real JKD, they would have to find another source of income because real JKD is not mass market friendly , have fancy ranks, fancy uniforms, fancy rank patches, no what is called "sparring", no trophies to win or contest, NO AUTOMATIC teaching creditials or permission to teach and open a school, etc,.
6) Most of Bruce's students and associates are B minus C plus students who are taking ANY association with Bruce to the bank. As an example, Jerry Poteets letter to and from Bruce regarding "Roses".
7) One of the secret paths to JKD is what most people call kickboxing, Bruce's invention and advancement of JKD, but everyone from Joe Lewis to Inosanto to MMA to other martial artists are doing not only a sport version of it, but an EXTREMLY watered down version and/or misunderstanding of the root and structure of JKD.
8) As another example, 99.999% of people who think they either know or think they are practicing JKD think The Straight Lead is a "jab"...,very, very wrong.
9) The years they wasted on adding "other" martial arts and/or mixing and matching techniques to create their "own" JKD is yet another misinterpretation of Bruce's quotes, sayings and statements on combat.
10) Real JKD is so F-A-R from Wing Chun, it's practically non-existant and totally useless and impractical in a street fight. A one month amateur boxer can kick ANY Wing Chun sifus arse, Wing Chun is simply too stiff, too immobile, too slow, which is ONE if the reasons Bruce called all 3 of his schools and told them Wing Chun & Chi Sao is OUT..., his words were ".....that sh** doesn't work...,"
In general, most martial artist, including JKD'ers only care about making money, fame, notoriety, impressing friends, fame, personal branding, being a movie star , contest wins/ trophies/ certificates/ sport applications, looking impressive and cool like a scripted fight choreograpy ( i.e. IP Man ).,but very few want to truly learn and have the ability to fight in the street or warfield For Reals.
Bravo. Very well researched, composed and presented my friend. The political divisions were indeed wide and bitter. Dan Inosanto is an honorable man, a superb martial artist and completely devoted to honoring Bruce Lee and his art. Bruce himself would be deeply saddened and angry by the state of his legacy.
Thank you Randy! I agree, Dan Inosanto is a superb martial artist. I'll never forget those days as a kid watching his fight with Bruce in Game of Death over and over. He's the reason I got interested in Kali (an excellent system imo).
@phoenixmountain I appreciated the video. Really interesting. I knew some of that, but you filled in the gaps.
My friend! He would also be sadden by being overrated. If JKD people meet common grounds politically, it would be just another Kung Fu method useless against MMA. However, give him credit for the book for going that direction. Unfortunately he wasn't able to live long enough to be a part of it.
@@cheyennesantos-l4g Useless? You're an idiot
Another major mistake in your rearch is you suggesting Guro Inosanto is the only student of Bruce to be featured in his movies. Kareem Abdul Jabbar was also in the Game of Death, and was also a student.
Also Chuck Norris, even though Chuckie himself doesn't want to admit it. There's been a letter floating about on Chuck's own admission that he was Bruce's student.
Chuck never had a problem admitting he trained with Bruce and learned from him. He did write a letter clarifying this as he felt Bruce had a misconception that he didnt.
There’s a difference between two martial artists sharing and exchanging knowledge and training and one being the student of the other. The letter that Chuck sent Bruce talked of the former, not the latter though Bruceploitation con artists and Lee’s more cultish fans have promoted that narrative.
Money is the root of the feud. Whoever was teaching Jkd with the name and Bruce’s emblems were making huge profits. I’ve met Linda and known Sifu Dan for 45 years. Both of their personalities are so humble and caring. It’s hard to believe that such a feud existed. Once Linda and Dan are no longer around on this earth. I hope Jkd can flourish the way Bruce intended without discrepancies and fake Jkd instructors, movies, books and videos
Given the restrictions Lee already put on Dan just when he left for Hong Kong, it is unlikely that Bruce intended anything but that the ideas stay true to themselves. Ironically to understand Lee's ideas requires a deep thinker like Lee himself, and it is unfortunately the case that great thinkers are very rare in the martial arts world.
It's not the money, it's the character of the people involved. Since there is now evidence that Linda hasn't been completely honest since her first bio of Bruce, and her being content to allow Shannon to turn Bruce into a property rather than a legacy, it's hard to evaluate the situation.
Lets be honest, Linda will milking the Bruce Lee legacy until her last breath. I believe Dan is one of the only true friends Bruce can trust.
It’s not Linda that’s selling Bruce Lee branded flip flops. It’s Shannon.
Not sure what the point of the video was, apart from making the Lee family and the “Originals” look bad. Seems this just needlessly adds further fuel to the “fire”.
Oh well, back to training.
" Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own" Bruce Lee
the rest is all money grabbing, or something of that sort.. How unfortunate for sifu Dan.
Thw tao of jeet kune do every thing is explained clearly.
Had no idea of any of this! Sad to hear that they sued Dan Inosanto for things bruce gave him. I always wondered why Linda never had reunions with Dan. I believe he was not even present at her wedding when she re-married wirh Tom Bleeker. This sure explains why.
I agree. I was working security at Virgins Megastore in 1997 when she was promoting a documentary or book signing. I'm not clear on the event, but clear on one thing, her husband or Biographer or whoever he was, was shady. Is she just selling out and ignoring the importance of past students? Danny Inosanto is highly well educated in the arts and is articulate in his lectures.
she is no longer married to Tom Bleeker, they got divorced ages ago... she remarried and hence here last name is now Lee-Cadwell @@cheyennesantos-l4g
Tom Bleeker is an asshole. That guys has done nothing but try make a living out talking shit about Bruce. Bruce had his flaws but to write books on him and say the things he’s said shows how much of an asshole the guy is.
Probably they sued him, because Inosanto promotes what he does using Bruce Lee's name, but what he does is not JKD.
According to Tom Bleecker, Inosanto was invited for the wedding, but couldn't show up, so it was probably before he was sued.
This is a bad script that you are reading...
I feel sorry for Dan Inosantso and other friends of Bruce Lee, in one of Dan's interviews he's with Joe Louis discussing about their martial arts and at one point mentioned that Bruce Lee's estate, Linda and Shannon keep a close eye on Bruce Lee's friends on what they say , it's got to be positive and always the good about Bruce Lee, I have been waiting to see a true biography on Bruce Lee on film , so far all the so called true stories about Bruce show only one side about him, what about the people he upset, the friends he lost, his drugs, his affairs etc, that's why Linda and Shannon are always there to make sure what is shown in those films ,even in the new film by Ang Lee starring his son let's just see how truthful it's going to be, this is only my opinion.
Maybe Quentin Tarantino should do a biopic.
Though Once Upon A Time In Hollywood was revisionist history just like Inglorious Basterds
@@luxurybuzz3681 Yeah...No!
Louis!? It's spelled Lewis not. Louis!
@@luxurybuzz3681He literally called the kid Roman Polanski raped and drugged a party girl. Quentin is scum.
Who gives a fuck. It’s no body’s business. I suppose you’ve never made mistakes or upset someone?
Do you know how many people tried to fuck Bruce Lee over? How many people have lied about him not being their teacher? Or tried to profit off him, by being associated with him? Doing seminars and making money off of “this is what Bruce Lee taught me” almost all of them and those very same people have talked shit and disrespected him since.
To anyone with the last name of "Lee", do not name your children "Bruce" or you'll probably be receiving a cease and desist letter from lawyers of Linda and Shannon Lee the way things are going! In fact don't even name your kid "Bruce" if your last name is Jones, Sanchez, Smith, Leclerc or anything or they'll be coming to sue you! 😁
great video, thanks for all of the useful info. we live in a crazy time where everybody is petty and wars over trivialities and minutiae. sad to see all these people feuding over it.
Jun Fan JKD is nice in that it preserves a legacy, as an artifact of its time. But its crystallization as a martial art, and of its methods and techniques are everything Bruce railed against. Dan inosanto got it right.
No he didn’t. You should look into Jesse Glover. He learnt more about Bruce’s direction than anyone and was there when Bruce said he was fencing with his hands and feet in 1965/1966. Dan isn’t the authority you think he is.
Concerning the NunChaKu, it would be better stated as Bruce Lee’s go to movie weapon prop. For the weapon itself was never part of Bruce Lee’s Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do curriculum at any stage of development (Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles).
True. I learned the NunChaku because of his performance in the ending of Chinese Connection. But when I learned it properly in school, I began to realized he wasn't that good at it. He just overrated the NunChaku. Master Danny Inosanto I only speculate informed him that not like the stick, the NunChaku is limited. Danny is a Master in Kali.
@@cheyennesantos-l4git looked great on film, where everything martial arts has to be over exaggerated for the camera and audience.
Bax and Tin head Torres love this stuff.
I think Shannon is just exploiting her father rather than honor his memory. When it comes to JKD. I would only listen to Dan inosanto. He was there from the beginning, and he helped Bruce develop JKD. Ted Wong seemed to be stuck in Bruce's original JKD and never evolved. Dan evolved over time and Bruce's would have respected Dan for evolving.
You can’t keep “evolving” how do you go past simplicity and directness?
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
lol, hearing the praise of TW by LLC is hilarious, because everyone in the world of JFJKD outside of TW group calls his way the Wong/Wrong way 😂
I can not see into the heart of Mr. Lee's wife, but I could see a protectionism of his legacy and works being natural. However, a man is more than who he marries, he is also the friendships he develops throughout his life. Therefore I believe Mr. Inosanto is the top teacher and best to carry the flag. It is my wish however that Mr. Inosanto is open and honest about what he teaches and what is JKD and what is not. I believe he is because at a time, a JKD class was only about once a week compared to all the other arts his class school had. Is a knife or stick JKD? Of course if it follows the most direct use, after all it is the hand that moves the knife, not the other way around.
As what Bruce Lee said, adopt what is your own, hack away the unnecessary. So, jkd will continue to evolve for ever . It is an individual art .
No. Bruce was very clear about his method, what he practised and what he taught. If you aren’t following JKD principles you are NOT doing Bruce Lee’s JKD. You’re doing something else. JKD concepts isn’t Bruce Lee’s JKD. It’s something else. If you’re mixing your own stuff together that’s your own version of mma. NOT Bruce Lee’s JKD. The JKD should be used only and exclusively in regards to Bruce’s art.
“Bruce's art is based on a set of principles and philosophy. It's not do anything and call it jkd. The latter example is more fencing and boxing. And really no wing chun at all. Because Bruce had moved away from that to a more effective streamlined way of fighting.” - Tommy Carruthers
“"X is Jeet Kune Do Y is the style you will represent. To represent and teach Y one should drill its members according to the preaching of Y. This is the same with anyone who is qualified and has been approved to represent X. To justify by interfusing X and Y is basically the denying of Y....But still calling it Y.
A man, as you put it, is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of rose will yield rose, and a garden of violets will yield violets." - Bruce Lee
“Of my art - Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do - only one of 10,000 can handle it. It is martial art. Complete offensive attack. It is silly to think almost anyone can learn it.” -Bruce Lee
JKD, not being a style, remains recognizable among different fighters not because the techniques ("tools") are the same, but because the principles are the same. This is not to say that a JKD practitioner may use "any" tool chosen subjectively. Tools compatible with JKD are efficient flexible weapons, with the number limited by the individual's capacity to make them part of a "fighting vocabulary".
If JKD's principles evolve, it will at some point no longer be JKD, and that's fine so long as it happens with good comprehension and good reasoning (and honesty). If you claim to teach JKD you should understand the principles and how to learn them, and you should at least know how to sharpen the basic tools Lee taught. If you wish to experiment with other tools, be clear about what you are doing.
@@AndSendMe JKD isn’t a style. It’s a toolset. Your “interpretation” which is exactly what it is just another “concepts” interpretation. That’s not what Bruce Lee did and that’s not what he taught. That’s it.
The shark is perfectly adapted to its environment. The idea of “evolving” something that has already been through a significant scientific and methodical process to get to where it is, is utterly ridiculous. You are taking something that is efficient and direct and overcomplicating it and ending up in the same place Bruce’s spent years of his life trying to simplify.
@@axelstone3131 It's what Lee wrote. Funny that your understanding is so brittle and authority-based that you worship Lee's teachings as passed down by various people as dogma and Final Truth, so that when I say 'JKD is something specific, if you change it too much don't call it JKD' you can't hear me and see just an attack on JKD which, appallingly, you see as a static set of tools.
It is a normal aspect of human existence to learn new things. New information about developing speed and endurance is changing the sports world, new information about how to develop and refine skills is changing the teaching of stringed instruments and sports. But you say JKD can't evolve. Then you are Bruce's enemy, and everything he warned against.
@@AndSendMe Bruce wrote a lot of things and contradicted them later on.
There are all sorts of Bruce Lee quotes you can pick and choose from to suit your narrative but people ignore the ones where he quite clearly defined what HE does and what JKD IS.
“Of my art - Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do - only one of 10,000 can handle it. It is martial art. Complete offensive attack. It is silly to think almost anyone can learn it.” (Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's Commentaries on the Martial Way. Lee, Little.”
You probably have never seen that one have you? Not surprised. It goes against the narrative you and concepts people push.
You have COMPLETELY misunderstood the mechanical principles and efficiency Bruce pushed for. People 50 years ago moved the same, punched and kicked the same. Isn’t that amazing? Contrary to what YOU say people even since we’ve been here ALL mechanically move the same.
How many ways to throw a punch and kick do you really need to know? SMH. You don’t get it. Under pressure you use the things you’ve trained the most, the most direct and simple techniques.
It’s about ending the confrontation not keeping it going. I’m done with this conversation. By all means, do what you want. But Bruce was methodical and scientific in what he did, and that’s why he had the edge over everyone else. The principles serve a function. If you want to train other things and overcomplicate it, blend shit up and hope it somehow works, you do that 👍🏻
Linda Lee is the only ranked student who followed Bruce Lee development during the 3 eras. No one has as much credit as her.
A punch is a punch and a kick a kick, everything else is window dressing.
Well said
I never saw Inosanto leech on the JKD name. He doesn't use JKD logos because he went beyond them. He's much more interested in teaching Filipino Martial Arts and talking about history.
Exactly my thought Dan is more on FMA than JKD itself.
That's why with all of Bruce Lee students Ted Wong is the only one who moves exactly as Bruce Lee.
Nevertheless Bruce Lee himself never restrict everyone to innovate or have scope of interest in fighting like the case of Dan who's interest is in FMA weaponry.
@@spitzfire1107closest person to Bruce since Bruce is Tommy Carruthers. Jesse Glover said other than Tommy he has never seen anyone ever be able to move and apply JKD the same way Tommy does
Ok 1 JAMES YIMM LEE was head of all as OAKLAND was the Birth place of JKD.Takki was 2nd in command the Inosanto and No 1 will dispute that.
Fact the OAKLAND BASIC TO INSTRUCTOR JKD MANUAL for all 3 schools
Has no kali, escrima, silat, kuntao, ect.
JKD is intercepting.Look.at this does a Missile enter with Thai boxing, then some wWng Chun, then Kick boxing.Then Silat and some say MMA.
BRUCE was again karate as they did this and then and then and many things before.Doing a single thing.
JKD HIT HIT HIT.There is non passive motion.See.Steve.Golden demo.JKD clip from Nucleus telling .It is not tan sau ,trap ,trap ect.You hit Intercept aka Destroy that attack.
Now i will never put down Inosanto as He had level 3. That does not say Instructor.1 level was 1 yr,2 was 2 yrs and 3 was 3 yrs.Note.see Dan Inosanto jkd rank youtube
He tells he not take 25yrs befor they are full instructor.Many like Leo Fong had JKD instructor class.I have a copy of his letter.Many inder Takki were higher then lever 3.There is No art were 3 yrs 3 times. A week 1 hour a time for 3yrs is instructor.You have to have over 1000hours for basic instructor in most arts. No 1 has 12 hours a month in a a total of 360 hours at best.is instructor.
Bruce had many black sashes in Washington.He had black Sashes in Oakland.
Look up Bruce Lee Washington jun fan class photo
Glover,Demiles,Takki had a blue up to black
Look it up
They had higher the level 3.
“Jeet Kune Do Concepts” is what I call my system, and there is nothing that Linda Lee or Shannon Lee can do about it. Too bad, so sad. 😆
Dan Inosanto represents the true spirit and philosophy of Bruce Lee than Bruce's wife. For Linda to push revisionist history of Bruce never having studied anything from Dan is a blatant lie and shameful, and that alone makes me side with Dan. Dan moved onto more effective forms of martial arts like Brazilian Jujitsu whereas the trademarked version of JKD has become another close-minded traditional martial art that shuns other martial arts, and that's against the actual philosophy of Bruce's JKD.
@GeorgeOu
JKD is not about throwing together whatever you wish and call it jkd. Jerry Poteet asked Bruce about mixing other styles like karate into the jkd training. Bruce said no and wrote this to Jerry: "X is Jeet Kune Do, Y is the style you will represent. To represent and teach Y one should drill its members according to the preaching of Y. This is the same with anyone who is qualified and has been approved to represent X. To justify by interfusing X and Y is basically the denying of Y....But still calling it Y. A man, as you put it, is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of rose will yield rose, and a garden of violets will yield violets." JKD according to Bruce called it "efficient street fighting with everything goes" when he told William cheung in 1969. The idea is to not follow rules and restrictions like traditional styles by having training and sparring for the street which is fluid and consistently different like what is in the fighting method books. BJJ for street defense is a bad idea if there is more then one person or they have a knife. Bruce was aware of grappling like this but did not teach that or recommend it.
@@SuperMaryu767Bruce Lee was smart enough to evolve. It's possible to find a lot of things that he contradicted himself on either in writing or in interviews. Some of what he said was to appease his Chinese fanbase, and he's human so he's not above that. Other things he would say when he was younger was "Chinese system is the best" but there are letters from him where he has lost all confidence in Chinese systems.
So I don't doubt you Bruce says you should stick with a system. The question is when did he say it, and who did he say it to. Was it when he was young and not as wise, or was this just Bruce Lee the politician feeding Chinese national pride?
As for Grappling, Bob Wall recounted a story of Bruce Lee being called out by a young guy in Hong Kong during filming. Wall said Bruce took him down to the ground and pounded him out. Bruce Lee also showed grappling in Enter The Dragon.
@@GeorgeOu not saying that Bruce did not know grappling rather he did not stress grappling in a street context. More on boxing, kicks, eye gouging, grabs, throws, trips (no wing chun after 1969) as long it’s simple direct and economical using closest weapon to nearest target and not forcing a favorite technique. People think that Bruce advocated especially his style about adding and discarded whatever they want but the real context is using simple things, discarded stuff that does not follow the 3 principles and what is specifically your own is your skills and your build. It’s not what you decide from other styles since they are not yours, muay Thai is not yours, judo isn’t and so forth.
@@SuperMaryu767 Street fighting or self defense in the context of unarmed martial arts is delusional. It's a non-issue because nobody is going to beat a knife much less a gun with bare hands.
Bruce Lee even wrote a letter saying that he's lost faith in all classical Chinese martial arts, and that they're all "dry land swimming". He was light years ahead of his martial arts peers to see this and adopt the mixed martial arts approach, and finding what works for the individual. He didn't believe in a generalized solution much less an individual martial art. His style was no style, and the individual had to find what worked for them.
@@GeorgeOu
I have read the letter of the dragon book as well, style of no style meant that it was adaptable to the situation and was not bound to the rules and restrictions like if you do boxing and in a fight you do things according to boxing. MMA is different to jkd since mma is combining styles for different distances and switching styles and techniques whereas jkd is about using techniques according to the 3 main principles. JKD adapts to the person of day the person has more skill in kicking then focus on kicking, if the person is small then kick, bigger person can use his longer arm reach, if the person has good mobility then use that to intercept.
Just to make it clear, Linda Lee has had issues with almost everybody in the JKD community.
I don't mean to throw any clout at her but you know she runs an empire and that's that...
Pretty much all of Bruce Lee's disciples were incredible martial artist and incredible fighters. I can name of no one who is bad.
The thing is Bruce Lee had such an incredible high standard for You're martial arts ability.
You should check out fook Yueng s stuff
The secret jdk stuff is all sourced from two systems, Hong Kong Wing Chun and red Opera Wing Chun/ fook Yueng chuan from what I understand. Disregard the politics ... Go to the old school students who are still left and learn the deeper knowledge...
None of Bruce Lee's students were "incredible fighters"
Most legit one was Larry Hartsell
And that's it
Considering that Shannon Lee and Diana Inonsanto (the heirs of their respective fathers' systems) are good friends, who do not quarrel over Nucleus JKD vs. JKD Concepts, there should no longer be any friction between the Nucleus vs. Concepts camps. Shannon and Diana could say: "End all of the bickering now, because this is our system". Personally, I am a Concepts guy, but I don't argue with the Nucleus adherents, because there is validity and practicality in what they follow and study. For that matter, I don't bicker with any other martial artist of any other system.
I'm James DeMile lineage;
Given a type of opponent, Jeet Kune Do is synergistically designed/system-engineered from numerous martial arts for one particular type of person to beat’m.
The only pure martial art is the pretty ineffective one
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It's a shame, especially there was no need to go after Guro Dan like that. That broke a lot of hearts since Dan was the closest to Bruce. That left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I understand the trademark issue but the politics it what destroyed it all.
I’ve followed everything on Bruce and JKD for 40 years. Here’s the bottom line Dan and Ted were given full head instructors control from Bruce when he left for Hong Kong which with Sufi’s blessing to teach JKD as Sifu intended. Linda and Shannon are just being selfish and petty for no reason or justification. It’s sad
You're wrong abt that, Bruce Lee only certified three individuals to teach on his behalf and they were Taky Kimura, James Lee (no relations), and Dan Inosanto. Ted Wong was the last student Bruce Lee accepted and trained personally and after Bruce Lee left for Hong Kong he entrusted Ted's continued JKD training with Dan Inosanto. Get the facts right buddy and these are undisputed.
Not sure what really went down coz even those this video again sheds light into the fraction but its not a full length documentary with both sides given the chance to explain and clarify but for whatever reason I think Linda Lee Cadwell in the end chose Ted Wong to lead JKD or who she chose as the face of the art and its a shame because now there is a clear division and it shouldn't be that way. Whether you wanna stick to the original teachings of Bruce Lee or evolve which if you're just a casual Bruce Lee fan would know evolution was Bruce Lee's chief aim and belief in Martial Arts so either way its all for the better
Oh Terrence Trombo is a student of Wong Jak Man! No wonder why this guy is spreading lies about Dan Inosanto!
As sad as it may be - in all fairness this story is nothing new. As soon as the founder of any original style was no longer present to maintain the true way of the art - his students would start going separare ways for all different reasons. Traditional martial arts were about the art itself rarely bringing prosperity to their followers (rare exeptions aside). As soon as martial arts were popularised moving to the west after WW 2 - they began transformation into business models. Which combined with different visions by former 1st students - multipled different versions of the same style. Until it all came to what it is now.
this could happen just in usa. lawers, courts and laws about intelectual property are twisted...
This guy is spreading half-truths and complete lies!!
I'm in your side. That validates you. For others? No.
"X is Jeet Kune Do Y is the style you will represent. To represent and teach Y one should drill its members according to the preaching of Y.
This is the same with anyone who is qualified and has been approved to represent X. To justify by interfusing X and Y is basically the denying of Y...But still calling it Y. A man, as you put it, is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of rose will yield rose, and a garden of violets will yield violets." - Bruce Lee
How about you interview Richard Torres?
Ted Wong wasnt a really impressive looking martial artist
@StEvUgnin you’ve got to be joking.
Milking the BL cow
What everyone is missing are the Seattle years. James demile, Jesse glover , taki Kimora who all were instrumental in the early years of developing all of what came to be deemed Lees art. all prior to Dan.
@1:47 "The nunchucks, which was featured in 4 of Bruce Lee films".
That's like saying"He was given birth to by one of his mothers". You can only be given birth to by ONE mother, Lee only made 4 films. To say the chucks featured in 4 of Bruce Lee films is nonsensical as he only made 4 films (Tower of Death is not even a film btw, there's only 5-10 minutes of useable footage). So the chucks were technically only featured in 3 of his 4 films, as Tower of Death is not a film since the total footage isn't even as long as a Seinfeld episode.
Fine, if you want to be a pedantic nerd about it. Most people consider Game of Death as one of his films because, let's face it, the whole reason it was made into a feature-length movie is because of that 10 minutes of footage.
Guru Dan Inosanto was the reason that the first Brazilian Jui Jitsu Black Belts in America were JKD guys and that’s awesome, That would have made
Bruce Lee proud , that JKD wasn’t an elitist to to an up and coming martial art sport called MMA or Brazilian Jui Jitsu but instead researched it and incorporated it
JKD is about efficiency and directness. BJJ makes the encounter longer and increases risk for injury. It’s not Bruce’s approach.
Pretty sure Bruce would be ashamed if he knew the outcome of all his hard work. What happened to the simple love of learning and expansion of martial arts? Yes, Bruce was all about learning new concepts and adding to his own art to make it better as he saw fit. Staying stagnant is very anti-Bruce Lee/JKD. What a sad state of affairs.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
although I do not doubt there are issues with whats going on I do want to mention that many of the things mentioned are hear say words like supposed or could be words are not facts .
one thing I do know is thas Bruce Lee did use many different Martial arts like escreema ( probably not spelled correctly) and none martial like fencing. so when people say that Bruce never used a ceratin martial art is more true then not true he learned many things then adjusted them himself , which actually is what JKD is all about ,it isnt just one style it more like Taosim , its no style and every person that is taught properly is taught according to their body type and personality way, there are the only few things which are to kick and punch properly , throws also are taught properly, everything else is adapted to the person . which is very Taoist which Bruce Lee seemed to be .
of course I cannot totally confirm this because I have never personally met Bruce Lee .
I do agree that there were many many videos and books and other things out there that used and still use Bruce Lees names for profit, hell even the martial art Jeet Kwon Do has been used and the ones I have seen are not even close to what Bruce originaly was teaching ,possibly wasn't actually from his Art. This makes sense as to why Bruce Lees family would go after such frauds . as it is there are very few Martial Arts schools I have visited tha t teach properly and I am speaking of different schools of those Arts it has come down to money and .
it is unfortunate that all of the fighting and such is happening for this once great man from the little I do know of him from 50+ years of reading watching video clips of him on talk shows I am sure he would be saddened by all of this .
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
Had to speed this up to 1.25 speed
Greed.
Its all about the money
Great info 👍
Wipe out the name.
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I did not know of this feud!
Good video
Trademarking Bruce lee,etc etc..🤔 Yeh the Lee's (Linda and Shannon) just cashing in on him.,and they are the cause of the problem with JKD
What exactly is the difference between Jun Fan Kung Fu and Jeet Kune Do?
1. JKD is more streamlined and refined focused more on fencing and boxing, with little to no emphasis of wing chun, such as trapping and chi sao. Bruce Lee took those things out the curriculum in 1971.
2. Jun fan gung fu still has a large wing chun emphasis such as trapping, sticking and chi sao. Bruce moved away from those things because he found more effective and streamline methods.
Jeet Kune Do is the finished product essentially.
Further research will give you better answers.
JKD concepts is something Dan Inosanto came up with. It wasn’t a thing when Bruce Lee was around. There was no “JKD concepts” it was just JKD.
JKD as Bruce developed it consists of directness, simplicity and economy of motion. If you follow the principles what you do should be efficient with no wasted motion or unnecessary steps to get the job done.
JKD concepts doest’t follow JKD principles. It adds more unnecessary styles and techniques to a simple and refined martial art making it more complicated, less efficient and less direct.
More steps to get the job done basically, meaning more opportunity and chance for you to get hurt.
depends if you asking a concepts or core person. IMHO It doesn't matter anymore.
@@LouKiss ugh.. yeh it really does matter. One is Bruce’s art, the other is someone’s else bastardised interpretation of it.
@@axelstone3131 I still believe, to this day, after all these years, that Dan added the word “concepts” as his way to keep his promise with Bruce not to commercialize JKD.
I’m so glad that Shannon and Diana are on good terms these days.
Very good explanation of the differences of the arts, by the way.
@@da.reverend thanks man I appreciate that. I just think by Dan doing what he did he’s misrepresented JKD and confused a lot of people. I used to think it was mixed arts and kali and all this stuff as well. I now have a much better understanding of Bruce was doing but it took me a long time to get to that point. It wasn’t until I saw Tommy Carruthers that I finally got it.
I agree, he did promise Bruce not to commercialise it. I also think it’s not for everyone, as Bruce himself stated. But I feel like if Dan hadn’t taken the direction he did maybe it wouldn’t be in such a mess now.
In my opinion the truth is in the middle. The concept current has safeguarded concepts but has also produced drifts such as collecting endless techniques, as opposed to the minimalism proposed by Bruce Lee. The original current has the merit of having preserved the latest evolution of Lee's style but freezing it as a traditional style. This rigidity was precisely one of Lee's main criticisms of traditional styles. My view is that JKD is a philosophy (concepts) for free martial researchers. This is Lee's great gift. But I also believe that one of his founding principles is to explore to then synthesize one's own style and not to collect endless ones.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
Hab inosanto mal in Speyer getroffen mit Joel Clark glaube und Udo Mueller einfach Legenden
Willst du ein gebrechlicher alter man sein oder ein zwar etwas langsamer gefährlicher alter Mann sein ? Dann Öle immer deine Knie Scheiben . Das war sein Tipp an mich hahahahah
I can tell most of you didn’t read Bruce Lee’s legendary article in Black Belt Magazine
Great video, with a little bit of history and insightful info for those students hoping to follow the JKD path.
Bruce himself said you have to adapt his concepts to what works for you. Anything else is just copying Bruce Lee. Then it just becomes just another style, which is the antithesis of JKD. It seems that Dan Inosanto teaches a stripped down for of Filipino Martial Arts. That seems to be what closest to what Jeet Kune Do is all about rather than just an imitation of Bruce's style, though it should be more of a mix of different arts and not just the one. But it's always the practitioner, and never the art whatever the style. It has to be what works for the individual.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily
It's funny how many arguments i've seen online when there's a JKD video imerges - "this is JKD not that ( and vice versa)" - if u look at Lee's definition and explanation of JKD, he himself contradicts himself. - good grief, this has to stop - I just say my JKD or my method just so no one chimes in negatively.
There is no “your” JKD. You’re just doing mma.
@@axelstone3131 - You're definitely NOT doing JKD - or MMA - just made up stuff that don't work.
@@gunnerhiro394 no, you’re doing mma. You fundamentally misunderstand JKD.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily JKD instructor
“The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.”
- Tommy Carruthers
@@axelstone3131 - I can quote Lee's actual words - not people who never studied with him like Tommy Carruthers. Learn, little boy. You should add grappling to your imitation JKD or you'll get tapped out by a grappler like caruthers did.
@@gunnerhiro394 little boy? What kind of petty response is that. You truly are a pathetic individual. Looks like the Dunning-Kruger effect is at play here.
Tommy is better than any student who ever studied under Bruce. He has all the attributes needed to make JKD work. You don’t and neither did any other student under Bruce.
At least Jesse Glover (Bruce first student since you probably have no idea who that is) who arguably knew Bruce’s goals and direction he wanted to take JKD better than anyone else admitted most people who learn under Bruce never even studied with him that long and most definitely had no idea about simplicity and directness.
Quote Bruce all you want. You guys are all the same. Bruce Lee contradicted himself all the time. Look at what Bruce did not what he said. You might actually learn something.
Guru Dan did take part in one of Bruce Lee’s movie. But Guru Dan is not the only Bruce’s student app reading in a Bruce Lee movie. Ted Baker , another Bruce Lee’s student, who stared in Fist of Fury.
@Ihp8068 Tim Baker? No, his name was Robert Baker!
Kareem Abdul Jabbar too.
Great info. Thanks.
Does it matter? No one who uses this has managed to get anywhere in modern fighting. If it worked it would be viable in MMA.
I’m sure it’s better than aikido or whatever. But, any martial art works against someone who can’t fight.
And if it works against people who can, it would be put to use in MMA.
"If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from “this” or from “that,” then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be
wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don’t fuss over it." Ted Wong was a pale copy of JKD. Just a "punching bag" and nothing more. He did not have the soul of JKD. Den Inosanto is real deal.🤩🤩🤩🥰😇
Thanks for this. It's weird that this is coming up for me again. What JKD needs most right now is an honest and deep thinker with connections to Dan and Linda. What Linda did to Dan so late in the game sounds less like who Linda seemed to be once, and more like what Shannon is turning out to be.
Dan is not the authority on JKD. Look into Jesse Glover and Tommy Carruthers.
@@axelstone3131 Dan trained with and knew Lee right to the end of his life. Glover passed through Lee's life very early, and Carruthers never even met him. Carruthers might be a good bet as an instructor given who he has trained with, but your statement lacks proper context and qualifies as misinformation.
Bruce was only tought external wc. Not real internal wc. He just a nice guy. Who was nothing more than a movie star. Just a movie star. U like to get beat up learn mashall arts. U want to learm how to fight then learn real pro boxing
Somehow I believe that!
somewhat fair assessment of what happened. I trained in both camps. It was just fodder for magazines because no one really cared. The Core group had intense egos and really unenthusiastic which made no sense while the concepts kept adding symbols to their shirts which was ridiculous. Happy to see MMA quelled that. There was a Bruce Lee convention in Burbank and it was very embarassing for the core group except for Ted Wong that actually was interested in showing what he learned from Bruce. I like Shannon has taken back the legacy. In the 90's Bruce's image was treated like public domain and magazines made tons of money from his image. She's taking her father's legacy in a better direction now that she has control.
no she's just capitalizing
@@josephperkins4857 how well does trolling pay? no way to make a name for yourself.
"Kept adding symbols to their shirts"...
From what I observed they kept adding symbols to those damn sweat pants they always wore in the magazines
Almost always some obscure south east asian martial art school
Kali/Arnis/Eskrima/Dumog/Kina Mutai/Pentjak Silat/Bando/ Muay Thai/Pananandata/Krabi Kabong......and on and on
With a Machado bros BJJ to try to seem legit
@@josephperkins4857 well she's the direct heir/beneficiary to Bruce Lee, so she has a right moreso than others
I don't believe Guro Inosanto is a "first" generation student of Bruce Lee. As for Mr. Lee's first generation students, I believe they are those that studied with him in Seattle Washington, long before he moved to California.
Good point but maybe he meant the Seattle students as well
Bruce met Jesse Glover and Taky Kimura in 1959. He met Dan Inosanto 5 years later in 1964. He still hadn't even developed Jeet Kune Do. You're telling me Dan shouldn't be counted as a first-generation student?
@@phoenixmountain I never said that.
I know some people have
That part of Bruce Lees history is vague because some information is lost through time which is unfortunate.
Maybe a different generation of student of Bruce but considering when JKD began he would be a 1st gen student of JKD.
@@cuzz63 the Seattle era definitely
You're right. But you left out MMA. He was mainly a movie star that was basically a failed Wing Chun student. ❤
The only reason anyone cares about Wing Chun is because of the "failed" Wing Chun student LOL
DAN INOSANTO ha avuto ragione ha non approfondire l'adesione nel nucleo jkd una cosa organizzata con i piedi ( i suoi istruttori dovevano rifare l'esame da istruttori ed esaminati da gente inconpetente che ne sapeva e ne sa meno di loro ! Poi il fatto che Dan inosanto non ha mai insegnato il jkd ultimo stadio ( cioe scherma a mani nude lo considero un grave errore quando si va da inosanto per imparare il jkd non si capisce dove sia il jkd tecnico dove sta lo scheletro del sistema !doveva chiare la faccenda ! Insegnare la via dei concetti del jkd come ha fatto ! ma insegnare anche quello che esiste come scheletro del jkd alla morte di Bruce Lee ! Male molto male ! In piu cosa gravissima e stato servile nei confronti di wiliam cheung quando cheung ha detto che il jkd e una montagna di immondizia se uno infanga la memoria del mio maestro lo faccio a pezzi invece si e cagato addosso ! Poi sul fatto che Linda lee e la figlia sannon non hanno capito un cazzo su cosa ha effettivamente creato Bruce Lee siamo pienamente d'accordo ma inosanto ha fatto degli errori di valutazione di come diffondere L' arte del suo maestro ! E non lo ha difeso quando quel porco di wiliam cheung ne ha offeso la memoria ! Wiva emin Boztepe che lo ha picchiato a colonia in germania nel 1986! Vendicando la memoria di Bruce Lee!