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PETZL NAO+ vs FENIX HM65R-T | Which headtorch will I choose? | Headlamps for runners | Run4Adventure
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- If you follow the channel, you'll know, I'm a big fan of the Petzl NAO+ when it comes to my running headtorch. Recently we were contacted by Fenix and asked if we wanted to test and review their new exciting trail running headtorch - the HM65R-T. I was super impressed with the performance of the Fenix headtorch and it's left me with a bit of dilemma...
Both impressive headlamps indeed but which one will I choose?
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I bought the Fenix straight after the original video from Loyd and have never looked back. The light it gives out is amazing, and the simplicity is great, just turn it on and run. I've had it now had it for two weeks and done about 5 lots of 5KM runs with it and I've yet to recharge the battery. Changing the brightness and head fitting on the go is super simple to and doesn't involve stopping and taking it off.
WORD OF WARNING: I live in the wonderful Suffolk (UK) countryside, where my go to trails are footpaths round the edges of farm land. The power of the beam on full is so bright that it will get farmers out of bed and chase you thinking you are casing their property. One did ask where I got the touch from as he wanted to get one himself :-).
P.S. Also when you get one, don't put it on your head, turn it on full beam and then turn to your better half and say 'look how bright this is'. You will get a smack.
Love this comment! So funny 😂
Really glad you are impressed with your headtorch! I can totally see how the torch could scare people, it's so bright 😊
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated 🙏
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@@Run4Adventure Do you think the HM65R-T is stable enough compared to the HM65R. When running in the past with a single strap head torch they have often felt like they are going to slip. I'm doing my first 24hr race in Aug. so want to make sure I buy the right torch. :)
@@stuartmilton4131 I haven't had an issue but I do always wear a beanie or a Buff when I run with a head torch 👍
@@Run4Adventure Yeh, I've heard that can help, cheers!
Finally someone from the ultra running community reviews a Fenix headlamp! I’ve been using Fenix headlamps for years and have always wondered why I don’t see other runners using them. The quality is so high, they’re waterproof and so simple to use. One other thing to mention is that most Fenix headlamps are digitally regulated which means the beam is steady throughout the entire burn time unlike most other brands. Getting through a 100 mile race without having to change a battery (easily changed if necessary)and having adequate light is what you want.
I totally agree with everything you said Scott 👍
I've been super impressed with the performance of the HM65R-T, so bright and so simple to use 😊
Thanks for watching the channel and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated 🙏
Any experience with nitecore headlamps?
@@carloscervantes836 I have experience with their handheld , 1 week it lasted , just a drop of a few feet & it was rooted . While my trusty lenser m1 has been dropped from too many times to remember & from 8 feet , run over by the loader at work , just the slide focus was a bit stiff but still worked , no more fancy optioned nitecore junk for me.
@@carloscervantes836 yep of all the lights iv had Nitecore and 4sevens we're the only two to fail. That was years ago though.
Awesome review. I'd appreciate a review on red safety lights (Lumens, visual distance, burn time, etc). They seem to be an afterthought for headlamp manufacturers. Most of us do our training runs at least partially on surface streets and during the winter months you're running in the dark whether you run before or after work. Having a really visible safety light is very important to a safe training run. As you mentioned they are starting to be required race kit and if you have to buy one anyway it would be nice to spend money on quality. Thanks again, I really enjoy your content.
Just in time...I was thinking Petzl but then a colleague suggested the Fenix and I thought hmm....so a quick google and here I am...great review!
I have the Nao+ and have used it multiple times a week for a few years now, so it paid for itself multiple times over. I have 2 batteries an I love that I don’t need an extra red led backlight just for simplicity. And since it charges via usb and I don’t need a cable, I can charge it everywhere. I regularly top it up at work.
That being said I have multiple Fenix flashlights and I absolutely love them. I have one which is permanently in my car, just in case. If this Fenix headlight was out at the time when I bought the NAO, I would have probably bought the Fenix, because everything I have from them is simply great and has proven to be virtually indestructible. And the brightness of Fenix LED’s is unrivalled.
So it’s a hard choice, but because Belgians are crazy and careless drivers, I would probably still go for the Nao because of the integrated back light that I don’t need to charge separately. If Fenix would make a headlight with a red back LED than it would be a no brainer.
I completely agree, I have the NAO + and own several Fenix flashlights as well, and both companies do solid Engineering work. The build quality on all Fenix Products is impressive. I can actually see uses for owning both headlamps (if you’re a gear head too 😊 which I think is fun). The Petzl is very comfortable and I do like the ease of the large knob on the side but I agree Lloyd, making either choice, you would not be disappointed. As an Electrical Engineer, I can say that the only other area of gross specsmanship fudging is in the Antenna world. Fantastic review Lloyd, I had to watch this video again as it was so well done.
I’ve been needing to get a new headlamp for awhile. Finally pulled the trigger and got the Fenix based on this review. Thank you and hope you are feeling better soon!!
That's great Carol! I think you'll be impressed with its performance 👌
Thanks for your kind words and support of the channel 🙏
I’m a fisherman, not a runner but still found your review to be very informative, thank you👍
That's great Lincoln, I'm really glad our video was helpful 😊
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated. Stay safe and keep on fishing! 😉
Nice one Lloyd 👍 Thanks for answering my comment with a whole video 😉. I currently rock the nao+ but unhappy with the cost of spare battery and overall size. Will be upgrading to the fenix for sure now. Hope you heal up soon. 👊
No worries Dan, I hope you enjoyed it and found it helpful 👍
The Petzl NAO+ Is still a great headtorch but I have been super impressed with the performance of the HM65R-T 😊
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
An other very useful review! It is the simplicity that's so convincing. Hope your ankle is getting better!
I'm really glad you found it useful Roland and I do like to keep things simple! The ankle is definitely improving with Paul's help 😊
Went for a short walk on it today and it's on the mend! Thanks for your support 🙏
I bought the fenix and I have a petzel nao. Fenix is great but not getting the burn time on 400 lumens like you are. 6 hrs on continuous burn but only 3 1 hr training run. Been on to the supplier about it and going to try a different battery. Aprt from that well happy with it. Feels great on the head and the light is amazing.
That's strange Jonathan? Are you using the floodlight mode or spotlight mode on 400 lumens? On the test we did we had the torch on Floodlight 400 lumens and we got over 10hrs before it started to drop in brightness. Obviously that was inside and not out in the elements👍
Maybe it is a faulty battery? Hope you get it sorted out. Thanks for watching, it's really appreciated 🙏
I made it on the review 💪🏼🤣... only gone and completed a marathon run today, my first one ever, completed in my saucony Peregrine 10’s! Gutted you couldn’t complete the 11 review!
Now I can add the fenix to my shopping list! Nice review as always!
Thinking of getting the endorphin speeds for my road running!
Hope the recovery continues to go to plan ☺️👍🏼👍🏼
Well done for making it on the channel and even bigger well done for completing your first MARATHON! 🎉🎉🎉
Hopefully I can get running soon and finish of the 30 miles in the Peregrine 11's and get the review on the channel 😊
Thanks for the support 🙏
@@Run4Adventure much appreciated Loyd!! And yep I hope you can get mended soon as, the previous vid with the physio was good to see, some great tips! Keep positive you will soon be back at it 💪🏼💪🏼
Yeah Paul's a great guy so knowledgeable! Really glad you enjoyed the video 😊
Thanks for the review, I currently use lower end Petzl which is not bright enough off-road. Interested in Fenix and delighted it genuinely works running as we have used Fenix torches for 15 years and find them super reliable. Their usb charge batteries also excellent
No worries Bill, I'm glad you found it helpful. You're right their hand held torches are excellent as well, great build quality, super reliable and very bright! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
Check in again! Finally I didn’t spend a month on searching for a gear Thanks to You I’m just choosing Fenix for my upcomming birthday 👌🏻
Awesome Michael 😊
It's a fantastic headtorch, I'm sure you'll enjoy it! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
Thanks for this awesome review and comparison. Love the energy in your videos, makes them really enjoyable to watch! Recently picked up the HM65R-T, and it's the best headlamp(torch) I have ever used. It's a bit heavier than I would like, but I will take that compromise for a brighter and longer burn time to get myself through an entire night being able to see without needing to change a battery. Just a note, the torch does dim down to about 250 lumens on the 400 lumen settings (spot and flood) after about 30 minutes, but maintains that brightness throughout the rest of the burn time. Still bright enough for any trail. You will hardly notice this though as your eyes adjust to the darkness. The burn times on this torch are simply amazing!!
Thanks Scott that's really kind, glad you enjoyed the video 👍
The HM65R-T is a great unit, it's definitely become my go to headtorch. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
All that and the Fenix's are tough as tanks in general. I've bumped mine around quite a bit and 5 years plus of consistent use and still going strong.
I have a NAO+ and absolutely love it. For the price, that Fenix makes a lot of sense.
They are both really impressive headtorches that's for sure 👍
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated Matthew 🙏
Hello Lloyd, nice alternative could be the KISKA 2 of a French company Stoots. (Ultra Runner)
All headlights are hand made and of aluminium :
72 grams - 15 hours at 200 lumins, 6 hours at 400 lumens and 2 at 1000 lumens
Water resistent 1 hour at 5 meter. Have a look at it.
All the best with your ankle.
I haven't seen them before Guy, I'll take a look! 👍
Really glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏
I asked the question last time where to get the Fenix and the NAO was the reason I didn’t. My mind is made up now, thanks Loyd, I’m getting the Fenix! I’m glad to see you’re slowly healing up mate 🤙🏼
And.... they’re out of stock! 😩
Sorry for the late reply Gareth but I've only just seen your comment for some reason 🤔
Hope you managed to find a headtorch? Thanks for watching and supporting the channel its really appreciated 🙏
This review and the overwhelming comments opened my mind and I looked at Fenix Nitecore zebra and coast. In the end I’m almost leaning towards the Nitecore led belt or anything that looks good on that orange ultralight petzl climbing helmet.
Great Review Loyd, been looking to buy my 1st head torch recently so this was brilliant timing 👍🏻
Really glad the review helped 😊
The Fenix torch is pretty impressive, I don't think you'd be disappointed!
Thanks for watching and supporting the channel as always 🙏
@@Run4Adventure I checked the link in the description, sold out 🙈
Yeap I think they are struggling for stock at the moment! 🤦♂️
They should have some avaliable soon 👍
@@Run4Adventure doubt if your glowing review will help stocks though 🤣🤣
Very nice review, actually the exactly the review I need. FYI I went for the fenix. Thank you for the great review ✌️
Thanks very much, I'm glad the review was helpful.
The Fenix is a brilliant headtorch I'm sure you won't be disappointed 👌
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Great comparison video Lloyd. I prefer the simplicity of the fenix rather than messing around with apps etc. Just ordered a Fenix for £98, bargain! Will be bringing it with me to the Suffolk Backyard ultra in June next year.
Awesome, you won't be disappointed with the Fenix headtorch 👍
It's so simple to use and so bright, it's a great headtorch! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel its appreciated 🙏
Thanks for this. I need something better than my Superfire torch. The Fenix looks like just what I need.
The Fenix HM65R-T is a brilliant head torch Mark, I'm sure you won't be disappointed 👌
Thanks for watching 🙏
Great review Loyd. Positive healing vibes heading your way . All the best.
Really glad you enjoyed it and thanks so much for the positive vibes! 🙏
Great review been searching for a good head torch as wanting to do more night time trail Running. Hope your ankle is getting better.
Thanks Ian 🙏
It's a great headtorch, I don't think you'd be disappointed with its performance! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 😊
For charging a 18650 battery can be charged using a standard charger (and even relatively nice chargers are $20 US or so). The versatility of easily interchangeable batteries might make the biggest difference. A typical 18650 battery weights about 45 grams so you could have multiple spare batteries and still come in at a lower weight than the Petzle NAO. Also, when the battery comes to its inevitable end of usable life, a new 18650 can easily be swapped in. Unless a person is an electronics wiz who can fix it, when a built-in battery is at the end of its usable life it renders the entire device useless.
Great review .. would’ve liked to see more lumen comparisons, but very watchable. Thanks a lot! 👍🏼
Amazing video, thanks for the comparison! Sounds great the Fenix won! 😁👑
Thanks Maurice that's really appreciated 👍
Really glad you enjoyed the video. The Fenix is a very impressive headtorch! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 🙏
You mentioned cold weather so I thought I’d point out you can get an extension and pack your battery someplace warm.
Wow, excellent review. After watching, I’m off to buy the Fenix.
Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the review and I hope you enjoy your headtorch 😊
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Hey Lloyd hope your ankle is feeling better!
Hi Jung
I'm managing short/slow walks on it, so it's getting there, thanks for asking 🙏
I bought the fenix after your original review . Love it. Great review on both torches
Thanks Paul, so glad you're enjoying your headtorch 😊
Thanks for watching and supporting the channel its really appreciated 🙏
Have had the 65R for awhile. It is my goto for climbing and my winter solo trips backpacking for a week+ at a time.
The fact that the Fenix uses an 18650 battery and not a proprietary cell as in the Petzl is another pro.
I have a few of the 2900mah cold weather batteries from Fenix as well that I carry on longer forays.
I was a long term Petzl user all the way back to the Myo.
Definitely in the Fenix camp now though.
Fenix make some great headtorches and I definitely agree with you on the battery front! 👍
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
17:36 that’s it, I am getting the Fenix.
It's a great torch Faisal, I don't think you'll be disappointed! 👌
Thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Thanks. I’ll be using it 99.9% for fishing at night.
If you are looking at these headlamps, it's worth doing some follow-up research on the claimed burn times. The Fenix is a great light, but it cannot sustain anything near 400 lumens for 10-12 hours. The Nao+ also step downs its brightness over time compared to the claimed specs.
You're right about the Fenix, it is a great torch, Infact they're both pretty good units 👍
The brightness does drop down a bit offer the 10hrs if you have it on 400 but it's still definitely bright enough to run with. Also because that dip is very gradual you don't really notice it happening. As far as follow up research goes. I've run the Arc of Attrition 3 times with the NAO+ and that's a winter 100 footrace on the coast paths of Cornwall. Depending on the weather conditions I've got a good 10hrs of burn time from the NAO+ with it set on around 300 lumens and using the reactive technology. I also used the NAO+ for UTMB (104 miles, 10,000m elevation) I had to run through 2 nights and I didn't have to change the battery or charge it up. You always have to take the claimed burn times from all the headtorch companies with a pinch of salt but I've actually been out for long night time runs with both of these head torches. Obviously I'm not measuring the lumens output while I'm running but they both definitely gave me enough light so I could clearly see where I was running for long periods of time. I think that's the best form of research if you ask me 😊
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@@Run4Adventure Thanks. That is certainly helpful to hear how it has worked for you in the field. In terms of actual measurements, there are a few sites that have independently tested them and they show a significant drop in lumens long before the big step-down you see at the end of the claimed run times. (E.g., the Fenix on medium drops to about 165 lumens in under 30 minutes, and then stays at that level for about 10 hours until it steps down further at the very end.) Ultimately it just needs to work for whatever a person's particular needs may be. But if you have some specific requirements in mind, you can't necessarily rely on the claimed specs to get you there.
@HaasS Do they really claim 400 lumens 10-12 hours? To me it sounds off the charts, no 18650 run lamp can offer anything like that...
@@andersriksson100
When I did the burn time test Anders I would say it was more like 8hrs and then the light output definitely dipped in brightness. Also the test was carried out indoors and the battery performance can suffer depending on weather conditions 👍
Still a really good burntime though, hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
@@Run4Adventure Yes I have no beef with you it's just that HaasS posted about 10-12 hours of 400 lumen, I was curious if Fenix really states that. 8h is good enough in my book. Real pitty the HM65 lack red, it's a deal breaker to me. I might have a look at Nitecore versions but then I guess I lose the dual beam flood/spot... or maybe not, the HC65 V2 looks promising at a glance..
Another really helpful video Loyd thank you. ✌
Awesome Simon, really glad you found it helpful and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Did it bounce much, I'm eyeing up the hm70r as I have a few 21700 cells kicking about.
1500 lumen is small try in the torch world, even my 7000 lumen astrolux isn't that much, you can get obscene torches.
Edit - decided on the Nicron H25, it's the right size, output, price, runtime and features I'm looking for, fingers crossed it'll be reliable.
Plus I'm a sucker for the Samsung LH35 emitters it uses, means a lovely tint and no green.
Edit edit - Dammit sofirn has a 2400 lumen model, oh well that'll be for another day haha
I didn't have any bounce with it Darren but I do always wear a Buff or beanie when I run with a head torch. Obviously 1500 lumens isn't a lot when you look at some of the powerful hand held torches but for a small compact headtorch it's pretty good! 👍
Thanks for watching 🙏
Been looking to get a new headlamp. I have a few nitecore and really like them but they are a single LED with flood and throw none adjustable. I don't run but do a lot of work around the farm and night hunt often. The Fenix looks to have a much better flood resulting in less eye strain for closeup work. My bday is in three days so I think I'll treat myself to a Fenix. Thanks for the great review.
Thanks Nicholas, really glad you enjoyed the review 👍
It's a fantastic headtorch and so bright I think you'd be surprised!
If you can't treat yourself, who can you treat! Happy birthday 🎂
Thanks for watching 🙏
Brilliant video, seriously thinking about getting the Fenix to replace my 400 gram Hope vision R2.
Cheers Martin, really glad you enjoyed the review 👍
The Fenix headtorch is a great bit of kit! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated 🙏
One correction. The run times you listed for the lumens don’t actually output that light for the hours you stated. They only show the states lumens for a few minutes and then step down to a much lower output.
You're right Robert, it does drop down in lumens output but it's still bright enough for most situations. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
Thank you for a perfect review!
Not a shock to me...in the ‘flashlight community’ Fenix just rock. First time I used one of their headlamps I dropped my Petzl’s etc and never went back. Try one of the handhelds for fun - also excellent.
They make some awesome lights Steve. Real quality, super bright and very simple to use 👌
I had one of their handheld years ago when I worked in the security industry, great torch! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
After my Black Diamond Spot ( always making those top 3 lists) cracked, got myself a Fenix HL60 R. Absolutely no regrets. Been through a few wars with that one. Mountains, wet caves and jungle. It's been bumped on rock, fallen onto gravel from a moving truck. Still impressively functional after a half decade. That thing is a tank. 😄
One more advantage of fenix65r-t is that you can use the 18650 battery on other things too, where petzl nao plus has a custom 18650 and you cant use it anywhere else
That's a good point Eduard 👍
Thanks for watching the video I hope you enjoyed it 🙏
Don't forget if you buy 18650 manufacturers batteries instead of the Fenix ones you can save like 75%. i buy Sanyo, Lg, Samsung, Panasonic etc. Also to correct more bad info by you these batteries can be charged in very inexpensive high quality chargers like Nitecore, Xtar, Thunite, etc. outside the headlight.
Bad info Ken? 🤔
When I said the batteries couldnt be charged out of the torch I was right. Obviously you can buy a charger and charge them but that means spending more money on top of the price of the torch. And as far as cheaper batteries, I personally would always use the manufacturers batteries so if you have a problem with the headtorch you can still use the warranty. Thanks for such a positive comment it's really appreciated, thanks for watching the channel 😊
Hi! One of the best headtorches is Ledlenser MH11, with Bluetooth and an app, whit 1000 lm and RGB...
It's ok but its quite big and bulky. Also the 1000 lumens is just a 10 sec boost mode and you don't get that long a burn time when you compare it to the Petzl or Fenix!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated 🙏
Really enjoyed this Lloyd - have you ever tried the MH10/MH11 Led Lenser? I used the MH10 on the Arc in 2019 and it was a boss. Only problem I found with it was it's not comfortable unless you're wearing a buff/hat. Clearly that's fine for the Arc but (possibly!) not the summer ultras. I'm in the market and looking at the Fenix but with the over head strap (so the HM65R). Keep up the awesome work mate - been so good seeing how well the channel has grown.
I have Dan, it's a good light but I just found it a bit big and chunky for my liking! The HM65R is pretty much the same torch but with a different head strap like you said. I don't think you'd be disappointed with the performance 👌
Thanks mate and will do, thanks for supporting the channel its really appreciated 🙏
Just e-bayed my two Petzyl’s to buy a Fenix. 😂 after running loyds North Coast Challenge this weekend I’ve gone a bit mad. Although the Hallucinating has stopped 😂
Nice one Julian and a massive WELL DONE for completing the NCC! 💪
It really was an awesome effort, hope your recovering well and you enjoy your Fenix headtorch 😊
Thanks for watching 🙏
Great review. Thanks!
No problem, glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏😊
The simplicity is the thing that sold me on the fenix. I was able to secure one for only 79.99 usd. Which is insane
Wow $79.99 is a bargain Greg! It's a great unit and at that price it's a no brainer 👍
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Where did get for that price?
@@sonamlama4136 directly from fenix. They had it on discount for $99 and gave 20 percent off for signing up for their mailings list.
Nice review and comparison. I am looking for a good lamp for nighttime running. Does the weight ever bug you? Hope that ankle injury heals without future problems. I have recently strained an intercostal muscle and stopped my running dead as breathing is an issue right now without pain. Like you I am just starting walking and trying to stay in Zone 1. Always something! Keep them coming, looking forward to the Peregrine full review. 🇨🇦
Thanks very much! It's actually pretty light for the power output. It's very comfortable on the head you hardly notice it 👍
Sorry to hear about the injury. I've actually done that a couple of times years ago playing cricket, it can be very painful! Hope it gets sorted soon and thanks for watching 🙏
Great review loyd 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Mad dog it's appreciated 🙏
I know I'm here late (Fenix dropped the price on the HM65R-T) but I don't see anyone correcting you on being able to recharge the Fenix battery outside of the torch. You certainly can get chargers for 18650 batteries.
You can obviously buy a charger Richard but that's at an extra cost to the customer! I meant if you just bought the HM65R-T headtorch the only way you can charge the battery is in the torch 👍
Thanks for watching 🙏
Okay but I don't think many batteries can be charged other than in a charger or in the device. The Fenix ones with a USB port are kind of the exception.
And they didn't really drop the price I don't think. Or at least they raised it first so it's back to the same.
Good video, I live in the country, so the Fenix will be the one.
Thanks Barry 👍
The HM65R-T is a brilliant headtorch, you won't be disappointed. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Cool video. I was looking at the petzal for my light. I run at 4 in the morning, so light is necessary when on the trails.
I ended up going with the Biolite headlamp 750 because I like their mission and it looked like a quality light...and it is! It’s my first, so I have nothing to compare it to, but it gives plenty of light with a few different modes and a cord to be charged if running through the night.
I also use the ultraspire 600 waist lamp which comes with a handy pouch for your fanny. The position of the light is different than eye level, so the shadows cast allow for better depth perception, especially when there’s only subtle shifts in terrain. This is my main light source.
Last, I use my rear bike light and clip it on the back of my shorts for high visibility!
Thanks for the video! Peace. Chris
The Biolite 750 looks like a pretty solid headtorch Chris 👍
It sounds like you've got your lighting situation sorted! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel its really appreciated 🙏
I would love a review of the fenix vs biolite.
Petzl Nao+. At continuous 750 lm the unit overheats and stops working correctly. You can't change the mode, turn it off or pair with your phone. If you plan to use this lamp at lower setting, then you will be fine.
I've never had an issue with my petzl NOA+ over heating and I've had it for years and everything is still working fine. Infact everyone I run with has a NAO+ and as far as I know no one has had any problems!? 🤔
Did you contact Petzl about this because it sounds like you've got a faulty touch Jack 😔
@@Run4Adventure I am not saying all of the Petzl Nao+ will have this problem. But there is definitely a bad batch of these torches out there. It sounds like there could be compromised component in the unit. The good people of the TH-cam should be aware of a potential problem with the lamp and maybe test it at 750 after the purchase. Me? Petzl Nao+ got returned and got FENIX HM65R instead.😔
U got some great vids i subscribed
Thanks Mike I'm glad you think so and thanks so much for the sub, it's really appreciated 🙏😊
The fenix uses a standard 18650 battery, you can get these very cheap and a charger for them and have as many spares as you need. Just make sure to buy a high quality 18650 battery from panasonic for example rather then some no name.
Now we are a couple of months on from this review - are you still using the Fenix? I already have a headtorch but the battery pack is quite large so I'm needing to buy a smaller (and lighter) headtorch for an ultra coming up in July. Will need 5 hours of light and also a spare battery.
The Fenix looks perfect in all honesty, what I'm concerned about is having all the weight at the front - does it not bounce down whilst running? My current headtorch has the battery at the back and a strap over the top of the head as I find they sit much better, but given your review this is maybe something I don't need to worry about with the Fenix?
Anyone else out there using this model of Fenix and can provide any feedback? Thankyou.
NOTE: I've just had a google and there is the HM65R which looks the same head unit and spec but with a Top Band and without the adjuster knob. This might be closer to what I was looking for.
Hi Mike
Yeap still using it and I've actually just filmed another review featuring a new headtorch from Fenix, it will be going live this evening 👍
I don't have any issues with bounce or movement with the HM65R-T. I always tend to use a Buff or a beanie for comfort when ever I run with a head torch so that helps. The other model you've seen is very similar to the HM65R-T, a different strap system and I don't think it's as bright but it's definitely still bright enough! Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
I would buy the fenix and with the extra 60 pounds I save not buying the other one o would but 3 spare batteries for the fenix
Thank you!
No worries Eileen, thanks for watching the channel it's really appreciated 🙏😊
You can charge the fenix battery with a small external charger, cheap as chips to buy on the Internet, cheaper than buying the fenix battery with a charging port.
You sure can Steve 😊
I only mentioned it in the review because I thought its a shame it doesn't come with the battery you can plug in to charge 👍
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
I almost hit the buy button on the fenix, just still can’t justify it. I have the petzl Swift RL and the second generation Nao, oh and a Bindi.
I think that's enough headtorches Dean! 😂
The Fenix is a great torch but if you've got all those you probably don't need it 👍
Thanks for watching mate 🙏
The red backlight is a huge plus for me.
Yeap I like a red light feature as well but it is an easy fix if your torch doesn't have it. Thanks for watching the channel and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
@@Run4Adventure i use a red LED light that I clip to the back of my Petzl. It is an easy fix, but during the cold Canadian winter the battery dies quickly and sometimes I don’t notice right away. Having a red light using the same battery as the head lamp is a guarantee of never running out of battery!
@@RunnerRemRem Yeap weather conditions can make a big difference on battery life, especially if its really cold! Obviously I'm in Cornwall in the UK. We don't even get a frost here so not really an issue for me 👍
How do you feel about the Petzl Nao RL? I feel it might be a step up from the Fenix.
What do you think?
I haven't tried the Petzl RL out yet so it's hard to say John 🤔
It looks like a good headtorch though 👍
@@Run4Adventure thanks. Inbetween the Nao rl and this Fenix. Can’t decide. 😅🤷🏻♂️
How's the "bounce" on the 65R-T?
Thanks for a great review
I haven't had any issues with bounce but I do wear a headband/buff or beanie hat when I run with a headtorch and I find this helps with bounce. Hope this helps Philipp and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
are not headlamps with exterior wires a pain to equip and use? i own 2 headlamps (ledlenser mh5 and a pni, almost noname) but i prefer to use small flashlights attached to helmet at work or bicycle helmet. or clip on caps.
I've never had an issue with the cables on the Petzl torch, you don't even know it's there 👍
The performance of the Fenix torch is super impressive, so bright and so simple to use. Thanks for watching it's really appreciated 🙏
merhaba bu kafa lambasının önceki versiyonu almak istiyordum ama kırmızı ışık olmadığı için almaktan vazgeçmiştim hantal görüntüsüde beni düşündürüyordu bu yeni sürümde halen kırmızı ışık yok kamp etkinliği için olması gerekirdi üretici küçük dokunuşlar yapmış vadettiği yanma sürelerini karşılıyorsa tasarım olarak güzel ben petzl actik core satın almıştım 450 lümen çıkış var parlak ama ışık dağılımı sisli ve uzağa atış yapmak zor ayrıca modlar için tek tuş konulmuş ama 75 gram çok hafif çok amaçlı tüm kullanım senaryosunu için bu ürün mantıklı gözüküyor tek eksiği kırmızı ışık belki bir sonraki versiyonda dahil olur uzun kullanım için tekrar bir güncelleme yaparsanız memnun olurum teşekkürler.
I need to buy this in Australia.... Quite expensive but looks great.... It'll be shipped 🛳 from China 🇨🇳 or USA 🇺🇸
P. S. I Don't wear a mask 🎭 while jogging if possible
It's a brilliant headtorch Thamesuser, so bright and great battery life 👍
Thanks for watching 🙏
i have the fenix and yeah the light is great but I find it extremely uncomfortable and imbalanced. The shape of the head mount is way too flat for my apparently fish-shaped head so all the pressure is directly on one spot on my forehead. tends to slip down as well unless i cinch it super tight but that is painful. there is no way i could wear this for a 6 hour run.
I always wear a beanie or buff when I run with a headtorch so I haven't had any of these issues Michael 👍
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Do you have any graphs of all the lights you review that shows how long modes last and how/when they drop down brightness under each setting if they do?
Unfortunately I don't, sorry Carlos. Maybe it's something I can put together once I get some spare time. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
If anyone thinks they are overkill check out Nitecore Nu25. You could plug into a power pack and run on high endlessly.
I have the Fenix but the max settings mean nothing as they are short, ok for a quick look see, eg down the track to make sure ur not going to get mugged whilst out running or a quick look caving to see some crazy speleothems across the void LOL. The petzl fails because for the price, it should be IP68 rated, way too many settings IMHO. As u say the "simplicity" is the key for a headlamp. I don't trail run but use them for outdoors/caving etc and one needs a simply torch in case of emergencies and someone else may have to use it and it's nio good if they can't figure out quickly how it works.
Caving!!! That looks terrifying mate, I'll stick to running I think 😂
Obviously on full power it burns through the battery but its great to have that power if you need it. To be honest the 400 lumens is super bright on the torch anyway 👍
I think for the build quality, the brightness and the simplicity it's a great bit of kit! Thanks for watching the channel and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated 🙏
@@Run4Adventure Yeah, you're right re the 400 lumens. It's a death ray amount of illumination power LOL. The build quality is def there for sure and easy to clean re mud and dirt getting all over it to from caving. I see a few others also using it for caving. My only concern with this application, as apposed to night time trail running, is that one must depend upon the switch integrity NOT failing during caving. I guess that's why for miner's lights, the switch mechanism is so simple, it's almost impossible to fail.
I dont understand why you said you can only charge he battery in the light for the Fenix. I bought extra batteries and a charger. I have 4-5 batteries charged at all time.
The reason I said that Charlie is because thats right unless you buy extra batteries and a charger! Obviously the torch only comes with on battery and no charger. If you watched all the review I did actually mention that you can buy spare batteries that you can charge 👍
Thanks for watching and I hope you're enjoying your torch 😊
The fenix is really cheap in my country, i am using the nao now but the battery configuration is really confusing..
The Fenix HM65R-T is a great headtorch and super simple to use.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
How comfortable is it to wear straight on the head? I.e. without any hat? And how do you clean the device and strap?
I've found the torch really comfortable with or with out a hat. I'd always recommend wearing something on your head with a headtorch because it does help with comfort. As far as cleaning the strap it's not that straight forward unfortunately 😔
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
How much does the add on red light weigh and cost.. I think you can factor that into cost and weight.
You can pick up the red Led light for a couple of quid and they weigh a few grams, you don't even know it's in the headstrap 😊
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Hey can i ask a silly question do u prefer the fenix or the petzl swift rl. I am waiting for the new nao rl to come out so in the mean time before that light drops idk i i should buy the swift rl or the fenix
Hi Mike
They're both really good units but I'd personally go for the Fenix HM65R-T. It's so bright on full power and I think it sits on the head a bit better than the Swift RL. To be honest you probably wouldn't need the NAO RL if you got the Fenix headtorch 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel it's appreciated 🙏
How much ,and how to order
I choose my Nitecore hc65 headlamp 💪
The Nitecore hc65 looks like a good headtorch Jacob but unfortunately it doesn't have a long burn time, which for me is really important 👍
Thanks for watching the channel and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated 🙏
Petzl made in Bulgaria- interesting.
Both £100 on Amazon. Can’t decide though still 😢
They are both great running headtorches. I'd say the Fenix is more straight forward to use but the Petzl does have a rear flashing red light. I think you'd be happy with either torch 👍
Thanks for watching 🙏
On the fenix, can you run both the spread and spot lights at the same time?
Yes James you can run both lights together. If you take a look at my full in-depth review on the Fenix headtorch you'll see it in action 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Hi All, Any users of AY UP's on here if so how good are they? TFS (thanks for sharing) GB :)
The guy I do a lot of training with, Steve Wyatt uses their headtorch. It's super bright, with a good burn time but it is quite bulky Graeme. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel it's appreciated 🙏😊
@@Run4Adventure Cheers Running Dude! GB :)
I ordered SWIFT RL over NAO+ a few months ago. I think NAO+ it's overkill.
It really depends what you what from your head torch. Obviously if you think you don't need the NAO + then it's overkill Svetlin 👍
Obviously you don't get the red light feature with the SWIFT and you get more burn time with the NAO+ but if you don't need those features the SWIFT RL is still a really good headtorch 😊
Thanks for watching the video and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated 🙏
The head band will give up its ghost in a few years on the swift and the band on nao will Stretch a little but you will be able to adjust to keep working, just speaking from experience 👍
@@vhx5438 thanks for sharing
nice video
Thanks, I'm really glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
I own both a fenix torch (pd36tac) and a little petzl headlamp (tikkina), probably going for a hm70r as a main headlamp as the fenix just feels a bit more rugged and petzl is a bit overpriced imo.
Fenix make a really solid headtorch that's for sure. They always feel very well engineered! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
@@Run4Adventure thanks, I’ll have to wait a few weeks as it will be a christmas gift from my mum but we’ll definitely go for the fenix.
@@Bonky-wonky No worries 👍😊
how long does the Fenix last at 1500lm(with both leds on at max)?
Hi Richard, hope you've had a great start to the New Year! 🎉
Obviously running the torch at the max 1500 lumens does burn through the battery life! It's actually more like a boast mode. If you put the headtorch on its max setting it will slightly decrease in brightness over time (around 20 mins) so to preserve battery life and to stop the torch over heating. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel it's appreciated 🙏😊
Looking at taking up trail running this year, so I found this comparison really informative, thank you for sharing #tonyjamesrunning
No worries Tony, really glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching the channel it's appreciated 🙏😊
The Fenix takes 18650 rechargeables. Just buy a Nitecore recharger and some decent brand 18650 batteries and you'll be able to charge backup batteries out of the torch.
Fenix actually sell rechargeable batteries with a charging port in the battery so you can charge them out of the torch. I did mention that in the review Justin 👍
Here's a link -
www.myfenix.co.uk/fenix-arb-l18-3500u-usb-18650-battery
Thanks for watching the video it's really appreciated 🙏
@@Run4Adventure just your paying a premium for the USB charging feature per 18650 🔋 :)
One brand to rule them all for me Fenix lights for me it has to have a removeable torch or its a miss to me
Based on your review a couple of weeks ago Loyd, I tried to order a HM65R-T from Fenix UK. Their website had it showing in stock, so I went through all the faff of ordering only for them to tell me they didn't have it. Really puts me off a brand when my time gets wasted due to websites being out of date, especially in the online times.
I can't find this thing in stock anywhere anyway.
Sorry to hear that Ian 😔
I've actually contacted them today because a lot of viewers have said the same. Unfortunately with all the crazy things going on in the world at the moment it proving difficult to get stock. Production was stopped with the global pandemic so they only had very limited stock of the torch. Fenix said there should be stock in the UK in around 2 weeks. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel it's really appreciated 🙏
Yeah no reflection on the channel mate. I'd watch you read a shopping list out! I can live with stock shortages but it was the website not updated that irked me (I was probably in a bad mood!). I checked on Amazon and they are quoting March 11 onward but that probably coincides with Fenix' own stock. I try to avoid Amazon where i can.
@@ianl4518
Thanks Ian that's appreciated, I've been looking for content ideas while I'm injured..... But, not sure I'll get away with reading out my shopping list 😂
If you're looking for an idea. I'd love a tutorial on how to monitor way point split times on very undulating courses, where pace isn't constant. Can you program it into a watch, do you have a laminate card for example? I have SDW100 in June, I'm hoping for sub 28hrs but would like to know how I keep myself on track?
It's a tricky one Ian especially over the 100 mile distance! I don't normally set anything on my watch but I have carried a laminated card a few times in a races. A lot of the time it's good to have something to aim for pace wise but you also have to be ready to adapt that plan!
If I'm running 100 miles on a Hilly course I find it best to run off heart rate, especially in the first half of the race. By keeping that heart rate low you're going to keep way more consistent, also a lot easier to hydrate and get calories in 👍
nitecore hc65 v2 or fenix hm65r-t is better ?
I haven't used the Hc65 V2 so I can't really say? but the HM65R-T is a brilliant headtorch 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
How's the ankle?
I can take short walks on it now so it's getting there Nik, thanks for asking 👍
Who is the main UK distributor for the Fenix?
I believe its here John -
www.myfenix.co.uk/fenix-hm65r-t
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel it's really appreciated 🙏
@@Run4Adventure thanks loyd.
Hope you are back running again soon.
Love your channel
@@johnrosborough
Thanks John that's very kind 🙏
nitecore ut27 is what your gonna use
The UT27 is a great headtorch for the money! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
Fénix 👍
It's a great headtorch Josep 👍
Thanks for watching the channel it's appreciated 🙏
Why not review how easy it is to clean the head band? My Petzl Reactik+ is easy, just unclip the torch body and throw the strap in the washing machine
Your right Andrew I should of added this into the review 🤔
I've got to be honest, I probably didn't add it because I don't think I've ever wash my head strap on my torch, I know that's terrible! 😳
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@@Run4Adventure Great reviews, love your channel...get on
@@asp217
Cheers Andrew that's appreciated 👍
try nicron H25
The Nicron H25 looks pretty good for the price but the burn time isn't as good unfortunately as the Fenix or the Petzl. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Don't know about the Petzl but the Fenix headlamp has a non replaceable headband. I've owned the Amrytek Wizard for years and use it almost everyday at work but have replaced the headbands multiple times. I will never buy a headlamp that you couldn't replace the headband. Fenix dropped a turd with this headlamp.
It is a shame the headband on the Fenix headtorch isn't replaceable but to be honest I've run with headtorches for years and never had to replaced one 🤔
The Amrytek wizard is a solid headtorch though 👍
Thanks for watching the channel and taking the time to comment it's really appreciated Bent 🙏
@@Run4Adventure I use my headlamp usually 5 days a week at work and sweat is not a friend of elastic. The Fenix headlamp itself is great but when not if the band needs replaced it would be useless to me. Thanks
@@Run4Adventure it is replaceable you can get get replacements two pack usually you may have two get it shipped from the USA. But they are Only 13 dollars even and they are proper fenix head bands in orange with the nob at the back 🇬🇧👍
Fenix so expensive. I choose wuben h1
I thought the Fenix torches were pretty good value when you look at the quality! Especially when you compare them to Petzl and Silva.
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Headband is way too small.
On which headtorch Roger? 🤔
Sorry, on the FENIX HM65R-T. I have emailed the company to see if they have a larger one, and since have found some guy who got a larger one from them. I need the extraterrestrial size.
@@rogermarcoux4467 Oh ok Roger. It fits my head just fine but I do have quite a small head! Hope you get it sorted out and thanks for watching 🙏😊