@@HeartsofSound A lot of hype and premature marketing. They were pretty much forced to release LUNA upon the pandemic closures... then there’s the PC abusers like standing in front of a Wal-Mart on Black Friday 😅 (i.e. When when when)
I don’t know I find that the users slowly create the daw with exchanges like this, give it time, I’ve been playing around with the Harrison offering lately but protools (certified since 8), studio one and ableton for me $300 is harsh but their uad2 plugs are generally quite high across the board
I am staying with Studio 1 for now. There are many ways to get warmth. Neve is one approach. Happy with what I have thru the Wave NLS. The ilok requirement is a downer for me.
I have been using digital performer for 25 years, although Luna is lacking in nearly all of the features that I have been used to over the years, sonically it is light years above logic, digital performer and similar DAW’s! It has far greater warmth and dramatically better stereo imaging! I will be programming and digital performer, then transferring the session over to Luna where I were also cut the vocals!
Hey Dave, I have been following you for some time now and you are definitely a big supporter of UA. I thank you for always giving your honest feedback. I appreciate you!!!
Studio One, to me it’s a great and I think is the best DAW right now that’s why I haven’t downloaded and try Luna. UA hardware is amazing but I don't care to try a new DAW if I'm beyond happy with S1. BTW, are you related to Steven Mnuchin? You guys are identical 🤔
The BIG factor for me is you have to buy a UAD audio interface to use it. All other DAWs are interface agnostic. I'll stick with S1-4. thanks for the video
But you’re missing the point, by incorporating the interface with the dsp it basically transforms Luna into a HDX system, for thousands less. You wouldn’t say “why do you have buy and use the HDX equipment to make pro tools HDX. But also it’s not a use Luna and nothing else thing but you can use more than you be daw to satisfy your needs. It’s free.
This was a honest assessment from someone with knowledge regarding Luna. Thanks. I also believe UA will be creating a hands on fader controller in the near future.
Not sure when this was recorded, but you also can’t use any of the Luna instruments that you buy with Luna in any other DAW except for Luna. You can’t use the Neve Summing, API Summing. That’s very disappointing to me. Also you can’t separate your drum tracks with a virtual instrument. like you can with Cubase or Nuendo or Logic or Protools.
I love both Studio One and Luna. I think Luna will get much better over time. I love how elegant it is, even though there are big features missing. I find it to be extraordinarily musical, and least from a creative/songwriting sense. I don't feel like I have to fight it as much to get it to do what I want to do; However, I am more of a musician than an engineer. I think if you are a pro that requires certain features (such as templates), then I don't think it is ready for pro work. But for a hobbyist that found Console confusing, its a really clean solution. It will get better. UA is a great company full over very smart people. Both PreSonus and UA are great conscientious companies that care about what they do.
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Right on point! I think the Studio One Mix Engine with Slate VCC would be just as good as the Neve Summing. I must say the Ravel Lt is quite nice. As a pianist it does play very well. I do love UA plugins and love my Twin but this is just not worth using on a regular basis. Thanks for keeping it real.
Thank you as always for your Honesty. No Reason for someone like myself to even try a new DAW. When I can continue to get all of your Training. Thanks Again Donnie
I have the Apollo x4 and 22 plugins included. So I thought let's try Luna will definitely be as good as the other UA stuff. I've been using Luna for 2 weeks now Brrrrr I'm going back to Studio One Yes. AND I am happy again. Can I use my Faderport again This is a waste of time. Why reinvent the wheel?
I think you did an excellent job pointing out the features that this product doesn’t have. I also wish that the company UA that put out Luna will watch your video and implement all of the changes to make it better and bring down the price on the plug in that Nieve plug-in they should look at this and say the guy pointed out all the things that would make this product outstanding great job sir. I can’t do anything till I get my iMac but I’m watching videos just starting from step one thank you again for your honesty I loved it excellent. I have subscribed.👍🇵🇷
Dave how are you my brother ? I'm using Luna at the moment just to record is awesome but I agree they still need to work on it but I think it will only get better and better with time , Dave I have a question, I notice that the Ilok licence is on the Cloud, do you need the Ilok or just the Acount ? I guess I will try to run it with out the Usb Ilok tomorrow to see if it works, because I never Unplug the Ilok from my computer I don't know I was just thinking bout it right now the other thing maybe the info is there but I just have not look in to it , dose Luna run from your UAD interface ? or from the computer , cause maybe that is why you can't use it with out the interface maybe ?
Time to circle back around. They've made some great updates and many of the negatives you note are no longer issues. Plugins now run UADX + Spark without DSP hardware, surface controls now supported, file format on exports addressed, etc. BTW...that is the best SW T-Shirt!
I can't log into Luna because of Ilok lol I emailed Universal audio and they gave me like 30 steps on what information I have to send them. Do any DAWs have good bass amp plug ins? Probably not going to use Luna anymore, very frustrating..especially being new to the recording world as a singer/songwriter.
Hey I am one of your students in your courses, been a recording artist for some time but want to mix my own music now. What I don't like about Luna, or maybe I just haven't found it yet, is that I don't see my unused clips. Now I am in trouble with space. In the Library I can see the audio files but there's no way of knowing what is what if you are doing many takes of vocals for example and you want to clean up the disk space. In Pro Tools for example you can see the clips on a sidebar and when you consolidate the clips you want to keep and rename them you can highlight them and delete the ones you don't use. I record in Luna on a MacBook Pro laptop with limited space and then I want to export my takes to Pro Tools for mixing on my PC which is a beast. Obviously what I dislike the most is that it isn't PC compatible!
Thanks for posting! I do think it's odd that once you record and burn in your track, you still need to power on your Interface to mix. So if you want to remix 5 years later, and you've moved on to another interface brand, you're screwed... you can't remix or remaster. What I find odd, is that in Studion One, the UAD plugins sound like garbage, but the SAME UAD plugins and settings played within UAD Console, sound amazing! Other than internal processing, not sure why the same amp sim sounds like mud in S1, but clear in Console... would appreciate your thoughts on that (which is the only reason I thought to switch to Luna, if S1 sounds worse)... even the vernerable Neural DSP sims don't sound very good in my S1... strange Thanks!
As of today ... What's the go with easily being able to insert Hardware Inserts with delay compensation? ... Also virtual instrument multi out for instruments like Superior Drummer & BFD? ... Until then I'm sticking with Studio One 5
Dave, excellent Video review as usual! You are on point with all your comments, the Neve at $300 is insulting to us customers who spend thousands of dollars on our interfaces and satellites. Shame on UA. $100 is fair. For templates, I built a mix, then used the save copy as feature to create a template. Works very well but agree it should have a template feature built in. The big miss here as well as no controller support is the track comping, or lack thereof. logic has an amazing comping feature that UA should have incorporated. Also there’s no bounce in place feature which is sad.
Yea, I must say that back in the day U/A was really one of the only comapines that did good plugin emulations of old analog hardware and therefore the fact that they have the most expensive plugins in the business was justified. Today, there are so many other comapines that make wonderful plugin emulations and their plugins are a fraction of the price. It is becoming harder and harder for me to recommend U/A to people who are getting into these sort of plugins. Comapines like Slate, Plugin Alliance, Waves just to name a few do a really good job and now their plugins are much less CPU intensive as well so the DSP chips are not as much a factor as in the past. As you know, I do a TON of plugin in demo / reviews and if I were starting over I would not go the U/A route. I would get the Slate Digital All access pass, a bunch of channel strips from Waves and Plugin Alliance and a few other selections and call it a day.
Home Recording Made Easy ya I have an 8 quad, a twin duo, 2 quad satellites and an octo so I’ve spent a ton of money on UA gear not to mention a majority of their plugins. Heavily invested. Their price point is getting ridiculous and turning away their pc customers is beyond ridiculous. The Neve summing should have been free, you can’t even use it in another DAW!
I've been "playing" with Luna for about a week now and you are correct, there are some lacking features that are beneficial to my workflow. One correction though to #5 "No Surface Support". From what I've read, you're correct the PreSonus FaderPort will not work with Luna but the Softube Console 1 does work. I have the Console 1 and because there is a Console1 On-screen-display software that runs in the iOS background, you can use the Console 1 plugin on the tracks and it works well but when I get a FaderPort... oh well...I will stick with ST1. The iLok authentication, from one of the "Luna Office Hours" TH-cam episodes, they talked briefly about the iLok and they have received a lot of flack because of it although you do not need a USB iLok - it's a "cloud" iLok account so it will travel without needing the USB iLok dongle. The MIDI to Audio bounce is a huge miss! I use Superior Drummer a lot and I like to bounce the MIDI drum tracks to an audio file. Another big gripe I have is there no easy way to setup and route the busses to a stereo track - referred to as a "Print" track - there are instructions, I have followed them to the letter... I have yet to get this to work. Also "mastering" using the "Mixdown" is not good. As you said, the fact that MP3 is not an option, is a miss. I'm just hoping UA will take all the feedback and add these features to Luna - if they do, I believe this could be a DAW to be reckoned with. YES, the Neve Summing should be included!! The Studer A800 tape is a $150 plugin - it's included, I have no idea why on earth they wouldn't include the Neve plugin. Agree, this is not ready for Primetime yet, IMO, UA should have released this a "beta" first - received feedback - then released a GA.
You nailed a lot of my concerns. i love the look and sound but way too many restrictions. it’s hard on my macbook pro. It makes every thing lag like crazy.
I'm wanting them to allow your existing purchased UAD channel strips to be used as extensions (like the Vision channel strip that I don't own). I think this would be a great option for those who have already purchased channel strips from UAD. It's just crazy to spend a bunch on the Vision channel strip extension when you already bought other channel strips from them like the SSL, etc.
I love how Luna emulates a console in design. But I need I/O inserts for my workflow. I use UA hardware, but can't use it as inserts in Luna. I get that Luna is a way to get people to buy UAD plugins. But it would be really cool if Luna could be set to interact with UA hardware. For example, graphic recall for hardware settings on Inserts.
Great video Dave & I couldn’t agree more. Two things I noticed since I downloaded Luna was my Studio one pro started crashing on startup, 2nd I started seeing one of my favourite plugins Lindell 80 black listed in Studio one. So, how do I correct these two issues Dave.
Don’t forget. They pushed the release of this for the Covid-19 issue. And they did address the no PC thing. I’m order to release it prematurely they chose to release for Mac. I agree with a lot of this though. Portability, ilok, MP3, or Export stuff. But for a V1 I’m happy with it. Of course I’m on Mac and only wanted Luna for recording anyway. 😂
Home Recording Made Easy 100% agree. The heavy integration of Faderport 16 and Softube C1 makes it a no brainer for me. Which makes the worse thing about Luna for me is it’s extremely slow export speed and the fact is has no AAF EXPORT. The fact that it has AAF import but not export is rather telling. At the end of the day, Luna is a great front end for me.
Good point on the no included utility type plugins. UA should think about maybe including some or all of the Precison plugins they have. So new users will have more utility style plugins instead of all analog emulation type plugins. Every other DAW I have used contains a basic set of utility plugins. I do think the Precision channel strip might some with the entry level bundle. Cant remember though.
I downloaded two weeks ago and done my first mix on it. Biggest problem is that it doesn’t support side chain inputs. There’s a few work arounds but they seem a nightmare. Also I can’t use inputs from my non-UAD audio interfaces eg my mixer or my Roland tr8. It does sound good though.
Hey Dave - I've been a huge fan of UA since I bought an LA-610 in 2008. I have two Apollos....a UAD2 quad card.......and a PC. Disappointed ? You bet. It's difficult to be overly critical (and I don't think you were by any means) of any company who is giving away a product for free, but I can't seem to wrap my head around why they won't even address the question of Windows support. Great video. You nailed it. Thanks for the review.
Hey Dave, great objective video - first time visitor. I'm noting the responses between 1 and 2 years old... and this video-added date is over 2 years old now (6/30/22 4:00 PM,) and UA Luna may have come a long way in addressing your 9-reasons (to begin with) to not switch. We share our love of UA software - I can't live without my QUAD-4 software and since I'd updated my Mac OS to Big Sur - I'm now HAVING to live WITHOUT it so woa and misrobilia for me! lol I'm on Logic only for my latest project (masterpiece:) and it just can't do a fraction of having UA accessibility. (a big GRRR) Thanks for the video - can you update it if they've updated and addressed some of the glaring drawbacks?? thanks in advance -
I am an Ableton user for a long time and used Logic for Mixing. Had pro-tools but was not really into it. I don't see how this is a failure on UA's part at all. I am surprised to find many seen it as a failure at a product on early inception. And yes, have some UA plugins but you will be surprised that I hardly used them as opposed to others like FabFilter and Valhalla. I don't see UA failed at all for introducing a FREE product. Still using Ableton but I don't knocking on any other doors just because they have different colors.
I do agree with the $300 Neve, I bought it on sale and I had a $25 coupon so I think I ended up paying like oh maybe 130 bucks for it and I think it was worth that but would have been better if it was included. The other things I can wait I’m sure they’ll have that down the road. Thanks for doing this video it’s very informative I am very very very new to Luna!
I'm also a big Universal Audio fan. I own UA hardware and quite a few of their plugins. I too am disappointed with Luna. With all the Namm hype and months of teasers to the release I was expecting that everything they were showing in the demos were part of it. I had several issues installing it and didn't like being chained to an ilok and the hardware. Then I find out that the only plugins included are two that I've already purchased and the summing came with a $300 price tag. I haven't used it since installation and don't plan to until they get things in place to make it at least a good alternative to the other great DAWS out there.
The Mac users are having a ball, I started with pro tools and switched to Studio one because of the speed in work flow and the drag in drop is like ice cream with cake, UAD strength is as you say their plug ins and the interfaces, they could of balanced with both formats than hype this DAW up and slap you in the face with a Beta with bugs and just finish it or complete it for use, also UAD is copying Presonus subscription model , Now UAD is up against the wall to produce and back up what this DAW can do, It's becoming Tuna instead of LUNA , Looks like a Harrison Clone ?
Laughing so hard after watching this brother lol. In a good way. Very funny! After 15 years of using logic I have made the switch to LUNA and am loving it for so many reasons! Glad I didn't jump to it when it first came out.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy definitely bud! I understand this video was done awhile back. I thought you were very entertaining and it was a good watch. I also saw another video where the guy basically copied your exact video 😂. LUNA has definitely improved a lot since this video was made. Cheers!
andesneko I think this is just the new thing that companies do, I had to do the same thing for my MPC X, Advance 51 keyboard, Air plugins, and Sonivox plugins but you don’t actually need a physical ilok but you can use the software ilok instead. The hardware for Luna is the one thing that sets it apart from other daws, it effectively gives you a HDX system for a much lower price and it ensures all Luna users operate with a certain level of audio fidelity across the board to all users. I think the value comes into play when you mix your songs, you can actually hear a difference. And I’m not even talking about the Neve summing.
I'm planning on making the jump from a Protools 192 interface to UA . No Daw controller and no MP3 are two of my main concerns although all your points are dead on accurate !!!! I do still plan on using ProTools software so I figured I could probably still use my controller with the portal software. Record into Luna edit in protools mix in both Luna and Protools lol.
I watched a UA video on Luna. Afterwards there was a long list of comments. Many were answered by a UA associate. The biggest percentage of questions asked if a specific function was supported by Luna. Most were answered "not supported" . So to me It has a long way to go to be a useful tool... You get what you pay for...that's why it's free! Ppl
The big attraction to luna for me was the Neve summing. I had planned to use Luna alongside Logic. I'm a little disappointed to hear your opinion on it, it has certainly put me off making the purchase and therefore integrating luna into my workflow.
I have an x16 and x6 and like the integration but no sidechaining and extremely weak midi editing means it's unusable for me ATM. Hopefully as the product matures it will become as full featured as other DAWs.
I just made a rant video on how Neve products are overpriced, SSL Products are over priced. Burl audio interface Products are way overpriced. UAD is no different. Their gear is ridiculously overpriced. People are achieving great results using studio one, Presonus audio interfaces like the studio 192 and DP88. and third party plugins from companies like IK Multimedia, Plugin alliance, Isotope, Waves, and lots others. UAD are not selling as many UA 1176s or LA2A because so many plugin companies like waves, T Racks, and Slate are doing an amazing job as well as great sounding clones like Stam audio, Warm Audio and even Klark Teknik. So UAD is trying to expand their market to make money and they making the same mistakes as cakewalk and logic where their DAWs that only support half of the market and they will always lose out. These companies need to quit being greedy because of their name and realize the average home studio owner has average median income of about 30,000 a year an cannot afford 3000 dollar interfaces or 300 dollar plug ins each and so forth. This is why plugin alliance, slate, waves, and definitetly T racks is killing the market. This holds true for DAWs such as Harrison Mixbus, Cakewalk, Reaper, because they are free or reasonably priced.
Thanks for your thoughts. I don’t disagree. I don’t believe U/A is tying to market to be 30k per year customer. They play more towards the higher end market.
Lots of truth here. However, the main reason I use UAD is that I can track through there plugins in real-time with no latency. I basically use my Apollo as my amp locker. The amp sims are very, very good and near-zero latency. But your points are well taken and I'm a bit of an outlier.
I got Luna for free with my UA X4 and deleted it.. the fact that I have to log onto iLock and connect my interface is crap... I'll stick with Studio One 5 Professional.... love it.
Logic is my main DAW but I downloaded Luna for the sole purpose of being able to split stereo tracks into mono with one click (ala Pro Tools) instead of going through the harrowing extra steps required for that in Logic. I don’t take Luna seriously otherwise.
Think of Luna as costing $300 and it comes with the Neve plug in for free. Makes it feel a little better. Either way I’m going to check it out, at least it’ll be compatible with the latest Mac operating system unlike Cubase
In general, there are very few reasons to switch DAW. Relearning such a complex piece of software is a complete waste of time given that most DAWs today share more or less the same feature-set. However, LUNA + Apollo is in my opinion by far the best package out there in terms of value for the serious beginner. The quality of the interfaces, the free plugins and instruments included with LUNA is just phenomenal and cover a lot of ground. I agree that the iLok requirement is weird and a little bit annoying, especially considering the fact that the Apollo is required anyway. At least it doesn't require the dongle... While I agree that the Neve summer is expensive, I don't understand the statement "if I'm not going to use the Neve summer, why would I use LUNA?" How can an optional plugin make LUNA useless? You don't have to use the Neve summer, use Oxide, or a third party plugin, or don't use a summer/tape emulator... Where is the problem? LUNA is indeed behind all the popular DAWs, maybe that's why UA insist on the term "Recording System". But it is only a v1 software, it develops very fast and it's free. So make your calculations :) As I said, switching DAW is rarely a smart move regardless.
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Okay I made this fire beat in Luna but I'm Disappointed in the lack of plugin options, and then I'm not able to convert my midi to audio, nor can I pan my instruments in the mixer. the way luna looks is cool and is simple enough to learn quickly but its like having the slots to make cool music but can't actually give your sounds what they need on the engineering side of things. Like How do I Add My Own Samples and Drum Kits? Idk if they added the save templates yet but if not, I wont be using this daw. Its cool but Studio One can do all of this and more
I must say other than the absence of Surface controller(they could be working on their own) and VI instrument multiple tracks output support(dont care for any work arounds)Luna is pretty impressive. 😉It's hard for me to level negative comments at UAD about their plugin cost when their DAW is free.
You nailed it. Not to pile on, but when you pay $2K or higher for one of their Apollo interfaces and you get a small set of their most basic plugins, it's really annoying and petty of them not to throw in even one higher end plugin - or why not let us choose plugins instead of getting the same ones for each Apollo device? I have the Twin, the x6, and a Satellite, and each time I get the same dozen entry level plugins with no option to swap for something different. The people who put in the work to create the products deserve a payday, but these premium prices are way out of line by modern standards. You really can't get ANY decent plugin for under $300 unless it's on sale - which is rare. BTW, I've been using Harrison Mixbus32c for STEM mixing tracks recorded in Logic, and that DAW (not great for recording) REALLY puts a good final glue and tone on a mix - all built-in to the DAW! UA even sells the Harrison EQ plugin for $300 while the entire DAW with that EQ on EVERY channel retails for $349. /rant
Why are so many angry about the Neve summing price ? i imagine it cost them heaps to develop it and they price it to make a decent return. its not ours by any god given right and if we dont want it just use something else that suits us, Running a successful company with many employees requires a profit folks. Cheers
Everyone has an opinion and they are all valid. U/A in general has the most expensive plugins on the planet and trust me....I am a huge U/A fand. if you have been following me for any length of time you would know that. However, I need to call it as I see it. There are several other companny's that now make plugins that are just as good as the U/A stuff and they are literally a fraction of the cost. This is one of the reasons I find myself using the U/A stuff less and less these days. So, is $300 too much for the Neve summing plugin? YES it is with out a doubt. They now have the API summing plugin for the same $300 and I still thank that is double what it should be. Just my opinion.
I've been using UA since 2015 and I'm beginning to see a trend when UA releases new hardware/software. I still don't like the Console app that you have to use between your interface and your DAW to use UAD plug-ins while recording. UA seems to develop stuff for a specific situation which limits the functionality of their products. I was in the market for a reactive load box/IR manager solution when the OX Box came out. I compared the OX Box to the BOSS Waza Tube Amp Expander and the BOSS unit had more functionality that I wanted. Even though the OX Box had built-in plug-ins that were excellent, it was limited in other ways that I didn't like. Seems like Luna is the same situation. First, No PC version! Really! Then the log-in/I-Lok/hardware authentication hurdles! Then missing functions that all real DAWs have and users are used to getting without question. To me, Luna looks like the Console app with another layer added. I haven't used it (PC user), but that's my impression. It seems that Luna is designed for a static studio situation where the user has their UA system and never does anything away from there. UA has fixed some of the problems with OX Box and I'm sure that they are working on making Luna better, but they should have waited to release it until 1) the PC version was ready, and 2) they had let some users try it and got their feedback so they could fix problems and add needed features. Sometimes it seems that companies are just so in a hurry to make money on new products that they release products that aren't really ready. I really like UA hardware and software, but it seems that their Product Managers aren't focusing on what the real world user wants.
None of these reasons are a dealbreaker for me though I do like Avid's EQ7 plugin. As far as stock plugins, I have plenty of UA plugins so again, not a dealbreaker. I'll still use Pro Tools I suppose but I do plan to phase it out plus Avid makes you pay monthly. Luna is free. Kind of a no-brainer for me. Also that Neve summing sounds pretty damn good to me. I just waited for a sale. Around xmas and summer they're at least 50% off. I was lucky and got it at 60% off. Thanks for the video, it was helpful.
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I may have to buy your classes. I mix hip hop and R &B but can never seem to get that semi professional sound at home. I have almost all of UA plugins and fab filters as well but I keep wanting to use the stock eq and delays in Studio one 4 is that weird?
Ilok?? What a pain in the wazoo. I don't dig that at all. I get the UA interface witch is great but dongles are a drag, they crash...No mp3 is crazy too. Too bad the plugins are great.
If you want an almost perfectly authentic old school analogue recording environment, I would use Luna. If I had a whole lot of money to throw at it then I would use it exclusively except I don't, and I am not a fan of their like the piano roll. I'll stick with Logic for now.
It's been over a year since you made this video and UA still has not come out with a LUNA Windows version. Disappointing considering the large investment in UA plugins many of us Windows users have made.
I completely agree. I am shocked that there is not a windows PC version of Luna yet. I know they have made a lot of updates since I did this video and I do plan on doing a follow up soon as I am starting to spend more time with Luna.
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Love UA, but wow, big misses here - they should have finished baking the cake before serving it, right?
That’s a perfect way to say it. Lol
Did you happen to notice UAs Instagram account after its debut at NAMM?! Peer pressure …
@@ER_aka_RAM I didn't. What happened?
@@HeartsofSound A lot of hype and premature marketing. They were pretty much forced to release LUNA upon the pandemic closures... then there’s the PC abusers like standing in front of a Wal-Mart on Black Friday 😅 (i.e. When when when)
I don’t know I find that the users slowly create the daw with exchanges like this, give it time, I’ve been playing around with the Harrison offering lately but protools (certified since 8), studio one and ableton for me
$300 is harsh but their uad2 plugs are generally quite high across the board
I am staying with Studio 1 for now. There are many ways to get warmth. Neve is one approach. Happy with what I have thru the Wave NLS. The ilok requirement is a downer for me.
I completely hear ya!
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I have been using digital performer for 25 years, although Luna is lacking in nearly all of the features that I have been used to over the years, sonically it is light years above logic, digital performer and similar DAW’s! It has far greater warmth and dramatically better stereo imaging!
I will be programming and digital performer, then transferring the session over to Luna where I were also cut the vocals!
Thanks for watching! There has been some updates to Luna since I recorded this video so I will do a follow up soon!
I loved this video. I really appreciate your objectivity and honesty! Telling us just the way it is! Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 🙏
You got it!!
UA Apollos (I own two) are the biggest dongles in DAW recording. There is no need for I-Lock.
Great point!!! LOL
great video review! thanks for sharing your opinion sir. U answered all of my Q's 🤘🏼
Glad to help!
My gut told me after I installed it...."Not so fast. Stay with what you're using." As far as your commentary. Cogent. Thanks.
Thanks for watching.
same here bro I felt the same way
Hey Dave,
I have been following you for some time now and you are definitely a big supporter of UA. I thank you for always giving your honest feedback. I appreciate you!!!
I still Love U/A and honestly, I think one day after a few revision, Luna will be a very good DAW, just not there yet.
Studio One, to me it’s a great and I think is the best DAW right now that’s why I haven’t downloaded and try Luna. UA hardware is amazing but I don't care to try a new DAW if I'm beyond happy with S1.
BTW, are you related to Steven Mnuchin? You guys are identical 🤔
I agree.....nope dont know a Steve M
Google him.... Steven Mnuchin is the US Secretary of the Treasury!
This whole hardware needed always reminds me of the digi design days and just nooooo n one needs to go back to that
LOL...
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy is it still that way today with LUNA? need hardware to open session?
The BIG factor for me is you have to buy a UAD audio interface to use it. All other DAWs are interface agnostic. I'll stick with S1-4. thanks for the video
I agree with you!
But you’re missing the point, by incorporating the interface with the dsp it basically transforms Luna into a HDX system, for thousands less. You wouldn’t say “why do you have buy and use the HDX equipment to make pro tools HDX. But also it’s not a use Luna and nothing else thing but you can use more than you be daw to satisfy your needs. It’s free.
300 for Neve summing - absurb!!!! lol! It doesn't sound that good! Lol! Thank you for your honesty.
It’s doesn’t sound bad. Just not $300 good :)
My humble request to Universal Audio :- please don't waste your time and energy in developing this for Windows, we have excellent DAWs here.
I’m sure they are not watching this channel. Lol.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy hahaha, i choose my DAW like a women for life, it stays S1
Terrible idea.
This was a honest assessment from someone with knowledge regarding Luna. Thanks. I also believe UA will be creating a hands on fader controller in the near future.
They may have improved Luna at this point. They have had a couple of updates since this video was recorded.
Not sure when this was recorded, but you also can’t use any of the Luna instruments that you buy with Luna in any other DAW except for Luna. You can’t use the Neve Summing, API Summing. That’s very disappointing to me. Also you can’t separate your drum tracks with a virtual instrument. like you can with Cubase or Nuendo or Logic or Protools.
Thanks Ron.
I love both Studio One and Luna. I think Luna will get much better over time. I love how elegant it is, even though there are big features missing. I find it to be extraordinarily musical, and least from a creative/songwriting sense. I don't feel like I have to fight it as much to get it to do what I want to do; However, I am more of a musician than an engineer.
I think if you are a pro that requires certain features (such as templates), then I don't think it is ready for pro work. But for a hobbyist that found Console confusing, its a really clean solution. It will get better. UA is a great company full over very smart people. Both PreSonus and UA are great conscientious companies that care about what they do.
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Right on point! I think the Studio One Mix Engine with Slate VCC would be just as good as the Neve Summing. I must say the Ravel Lt is quite nice. As a pianist it does play very well. I do love UA plugins and love my Twin but this is just not worth using on a regular basis. Thanks for keeping it real.
That’s my deal. I am always honest with this stuff. I am not affiliated with anyone so I can speak my mind. :)
Thank you as always for your Honesty. No Reason for someone like myself to even try a new DAW. When I can continue to get all of your Training. Thanks Again Donnie
Yep, no reason to switch. Its just another DAW.
I have the Apollo x4 and 22 plugins included.
So I thought let's try Luna will definitely be as good as the other UA stuff. I've been using Luna for 2 weeks now Brrrrr I'm going back to Studio One Yes. AND I am happy again. Can I use my Faderport again
This is a waste of time. Why reinvent the wheel?
Maybe after a couple of revisions Luna will improve.
I think you did an excellent job pointing out the features that this product doesn’t have. I also wish that the company UA that put out Luna will watch your video and implement all of the changes to make it better and bring down the price on the plug in that Nieve plug-in they should look at this and say the guy pointed out all the things that would make this product outstanding great job sir. I can’t do anything till I get my iMac but I’m watching videos just starting from step one thank you again for your honesty I loved it excellent. I have subscribed.👍🇵🇷
Well to be honest, there has been some updates since this video so I need to re-visit Luna and see if my opinion changes.
Dave how are you my brother ? I'm using Luna at the moment just to record is awesome but I agree they still need to work on it but I think it will only get better and better with time , Dave I have a question, I notice that the Ilok licence is on the Cloud, do you need the Ilok or just the Acount ? I guess I will try to run it with out the Usb Ilok tomorrow to see if it works, because I never Unplug the Ilok from my computer I don't know I was just thinking bout it right now the other thing maybe the info is there but I just have not look in to it , dose Luna run from your UAD interface ? or from the computer , cause maybe that is why you can't use it with out the interface maybe ?
I think you can use it with the cloud license as well. Not entirely sure but that is a question for i-lock for sure.
Very well done, I really apreciate all the info that make a good point to decide Not to shich to Luna, Tanks!
Thank you very much!
Time to circle back around. They've made some great updates and many of the negatives you note are no longer issues. Plugins now run UADX + Spark without DSP hardware, surface controls now supported, file format on exports addressed, etc. BTW...that is the best SW T-Shirt!
Maybe at one point I will do another video
I can't log into Luna because of Ilok lol I emailed Universal audio and they gave me like 30 steps on what information I have to send them. Do any DAWs have good bass amp plug ins? Probably not going to use Luna anymore, very frustrating..especially being new to the recording world as a singer/songwriter.
if you are new to DAW's, Luna is NOT for you. Go to Presonus Studio One
Good points to consider i may have to stay with protools still, thanks
No problem 👍
UAD is the apple of audio. Its all about building an ecosystems.
Very true
It’s music producer driven market right now. They are company tragedy the higher end recording engineers.
They have to earn tons of money to keep the chubby guy with the beard awake on the coca
And neglecting key features that users want 😂
Hey I am one of your students in your courses, been a recording artist for some time but want to mix my own music now. What I don't like about Luna, or maybe I just haven't found it yet, is that I don't see my unused clips. Now I am in trouble with space. In the Library I can see the audio files but there's no way of knowing what is what if you are doing many takes of vocals for example and you want to clean up the disk space. In Pro Tools for example you can see the clips on a sidebar and when you consolidate the clips you want to keep and rename them you can highlight them and delete the ones you don't use. I record in Luna on a MacBook Pro laptop with limited space and then I want to export my takes to Pro Tools for mixing on my PC which is a beast. Obviously what I dislike the most is that it isn't PC compatible!
Thanks for the support and your input. They have made updates to Luna since this video so maybe they have fix this?
Thanks for posting! I do think it's odd that once you record and burn in your track, you still need to power on your Interface to mix. So if you want to remix 5 years later, and you've moved on to another interface brand, you're screwed... you can't remix or remaster.
What I find odd, is that in Studion One, the UAD plugins sound like garbage, but the SAME UAD plugins and settings played within UAD Console, sound amazing! Other than internal processing, not sure why the same amp sim sounds like mud in S1, but clear in Console... would appreciate your thoughts on that (which is the only reason I thought to switch to Luna, if S1 sounds worse)... even the vernerable Neural DSP sims don't sound very good in my S1... strange
Thanks!
Thanks for the info
Have these items have been addressed bu UA since you made this video?
No idea. I need to make a follow up video soon.
As of today ... What's the go with easily being able to insert Hardware Inserts with delay compensation? ... Also virtual instrument multi out for instruments like Superior Drummer & BFD? ... Until then I'm sticking with Studio One 5
Luna is still not ready for easily integrating hardware like Studio One does. Hopefully, that is coming soon
Dave, excellent Video review as usual! You are on point with all your comments, the Neve at $300 is insulting to us customers who spend thousands of dollars on our interfaces and satellites. Shame on UA. $100 is fair. For templates, I built a mix, then used the save copy as feature to create a template. Works very well but agree it should have a template feature built in. The big miss here as well as no controller support is the track comping, or lack thereof. logic has an amazing comping feature that UA should have incorporated. Also there’s no bounce in place feature which is sad.
Yea, I must say that back in the day U/A was really one of the only comapines that did good plugin emulations of old analog hardware and therefore the fact that they have the most expensive plugins in the business was justified. Today, there are so many other comapines that make wonderful plugin emulations and their plugins are a fraction of the price. It is becoming harder and harder for me to recommend U/A to people who are getting into these sort of plugins. Comapines like Slate, Plugin Alliance, Waves just to name a few do a really good job and now their plugins are much less CPU intensive as well so the DSP chips are not as much a factor as in the past. As you know, I do a TON of plugin in demo / reviews and if I were starting over I would not go the U/A route. I would get the Slate Digital All access pass, a bunch of channel strips from Waves and Plugin Alliance and a few other selections and call it a day.
Home Recording Made Easy ya I have an 8 quad, a twin duo, 2 quad satellites and an octo so I’ve spent a ton of money on UA gear not to mention a majority of their plugins. Heavily invested. Their price point is getting ridiculous and turning away their pc customers is beyond ridiculous. The Neve summing should have been free, you can’t even use it in another DAW!
Luna 1.3 has just come out. Could you possibly do an updated video on Luna now? Cheers !
Yes, its coming in Janurary
I've been "playing" with Luna for about a week now and you are correct, there are some lacking features that are beneficial to my workflow. One correction though to #5 "No Surface Support". From what I've read, you're correct the PreSonus FaderPort will not work with Luna but the Softube Console 1 does work. I have the Console 1 and because there is a Console1 On-screen-display software that runs in the iOS background, you can use the Console 1 plugin on the tracks and it works well but when I get a FaderPort... oh well...I will stick with ST1. The iLok authentication, from one of the "Luna Office Hours" TH-cam episodes, they talked briefly about the iLok and they have received a lot of flack because of it although you do not need a USB iLok - it's a "cloud" iLok account so it will travel without needing the USB iLok dongle. The MIDI to Audio bounce is a huge miss! I use Superior Drummer a lot and I like to bounce the MIDI drum tracks to an audio file. Another big gripe I have is there no easy way to setup and route the busses to a stereo track - referred to as a "Print" track - there are instructions, I have followed them to the letter... I have yet to get this to work. Also "mastering" using the "Mixdown" is not good. As you said, the fact that MP3 is not an option, is a miss. I'm just hoping UA will take all the feedback and add these features to Luna - if they do, I believe this could be a DAW to be reckoned with. YES, the Neve Summing should be included!! The Studer A800 tape is a $150 plugin - it's included, I have no idea why on earth they wouldn't include the Neve plugin. Agree, this is not ready for Primetime yet, IMO, UA should have released this a "beta" first - received feedback - then released a GA.
Great points. Thanks for watching.
A800 is only included if you already own the plugin. It’s not included with Luna
Dave, please update your views on Luna ♥️ love your channel
Its on the list to do this year
You nailed a lot of my concerns. i love the look and sound but way too many restrictions. it’s hard on my macbook pro. It makes every thing lag like crazy.
Im sure in the future this will be a great DAW
I'm wanting them to allow your existing purchased UAD channel strips to be used as extensions (like the Vision channel strip that I don't own). I think this would be a great option for those who have already purchased channel strips from UAD. It's just crazy to spend a bunch on the Vision channel strip extension when you already bought other channel strips from them like the SSL, etc.
Thank you for watching!
I love how Luna emulates a console in design. But I need I/O inserts for my workflow. I use UA hardware, but can't use it as inserts in Luna. I get that Luna is a way to get people to buy UAD plugins. But it would be really cool if Luna could be set to interact with UA hardware. For example, graphic recall for hardware settings on Inserts.
Thanks for watching! I am going to do an updated Luna review in early 2023 as they have made many updates since I did this video
Good first attempt? No, it is not! It looks nice, but no. How can you come to a market with lots of other competitors and you don't compete? It's sad
Well said!
How do you switch from Daws like studio one, logic, to luna. Luna is better for mixing and mastering but for beat no
I dont understand your question, sorry
I totally agree the neve should’ve been either very cheap or included in order to make people interested in luna
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video!! Would you consider making an update video on the same points nowadays? What has changed? What hasn’t? :)
No plans to do that anytime soon, sorry
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy oh what a pity :(
Great video Dave & I couldn’t agree more. Two things I noticed since I downloaded Luna was my Studio one pro started crashing on startup, 2nd I started seeing one of my favourite plugins Lindell 80 black listed in Studio one. So, how do I correct these two issues Dave.
No clue. Maybe un-install Luna?
Home Recording Made Easy I’ll give that a try. Tks Dave. I’m still a Big fan of your videos. Keep up the great work.
Don’t forget. They pushed the release of this for the Covid-19 issue. And they did address the no PC thing. I’m order to release it prematurely they chose to release for Mac.
I agree with a lot of this though. Portability, ilok, MP3, or Export stuff. But for a V1 I’m happy with it. Of course I’m on Mac and only wanted Luna for recording anyway. 😂
I think Luna is much more suited for the recording end of things.
Home Recording Made Easy 100% agree. The heavy integration of Faderport 16 and Softube C1 makes it a no brainer for me. Which makes the worse thing about Luna for me is it’s extremely slow export speed and the fact is has no AAF EXPORT. The fact that it has AAF import but not export is rather telling. At the end of the day, Luna is a great front end for me.
Has this stuff been changed/updated at all?
Some changes yes but I have not re-visted yet
Good point on the no included utility type plugins. UA should think about maybe including some or all of the Precison plugins they have. So new users will have more utility style plugins instead of all analog emulation type plugins. Every other DAW I have used contains a basic set of utility plugins. I do think the Precision channel strip might some with the entry level bundle. Cant remember though.
Since this video, U/a has made lots of updates to Luna so it is getting better!
I downloaded two weeks ago and done my first mix on it. Biggest problem is that it doesn’t support side chain inputs. There’s a few work arounds but they seem a nightmare. Also I can’t use inputs from my non-UAD audio interfaces eg my mixer or my Roland tr8. It does sound good though.
There have been many updates since these video was recorded and I am just starting to get into Luna to see if it's any better
I love your honesty. Great 👍 video. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy The pleasure was mines. Thanks for standing up for us, telling the truth and making it plain to understand.
Hey Dave - I've been a huge fan of UA since I bought an LA-610 in 2008. I have two Apollos....a UAD2 quad card.......and a PC. Disappointed ? You bet. It's difficult to be overly critical (and I don't think you were by any means) of any company who is giving away a product for free, but I can't seem to wrap my head around why they won't even address the question of Windows support. Great video. You nailed it. Thanks for the review.
Thanks Sean. I appreciate it!
Hey Dave, great objective video - first time visitor. I'm noting the responses between 1 and 2 years old... and this video-added date is over 2 years old now (6/30/22 4:00 PM,) and UA Luna may have come a long way in addressing your 9-reasons (to begin with) to not switch. We share our love of UA software - I can't live without my QUAD-4 software and since I'd updated my Mac OS to Big Sur - I'm now HAVING to live WITHOUT it so woa and misrobilia for me! lol I'm on Logic only for my latest project (masterpiece:) and it just can't do a fraction of having UA accessibility. (a big GRRR) Thanks for the video - can you update it if they've updated and addressed some of the glaring drawbacks?? thanks in advance -
Thanks for watching!
I am an Ableton user for a long time and used Logic for Mixing. Had pro-tools but was not really into it. I don't see how this is a failure on UA's part at all. I am surprised to find many seen it as a failure at a product on early inception. And yes, have some UA plugins but you will be surprised that I hardly used them as opposed to others like FabFilter and Valhalla. I don't see UA failed at all for introducing a FREE product. Still using Ableton but I don't knocking on any other doors just because they have different colors.
Many updates have been made to Luna since this video and UA has addressed many of the early issues. I really like using Luna these days
Will stick to my daw and will learn everything about the daw, S1.4
That’s a great approach for sure
I do agree with the $300 Neve, I bought it on sale and I had a $25 coupon so I think I ended up paying like oh maybe 130 bucks for it and I think it was worth that but would have been better if it was included. The other things I can wait I’m sure they’ll have that down the road. Thanks for doing this video it’s very informative I am very very very new to Luna!
Good deal for $130
Would be interested in your thoughts a year later.
its better. I may do a follow up video soon
I'm also a big Universal Audio fan. I own UA hardware and quite a few of their plugins. I too am disappointed with Luna. With all the Namm hype and months of teasers to the release I was expecting that everything they were showing in the demos were part of it. I had several issues installing it and didn't like being chained to an ilok and the hardware. Then I find out that the only plugins included are two that I've already purchased and the summing came with a $300 price tag. I haven't used it since installation and don't plan to until they get things in place to make it at least a good alternative to the other great DAWS out there.
I agree. I think it’s a way out before I consider using it a my main DAW
can I leaverage the appollo twin and the sattelite host dsp with another daw using usd plugins?
I dont understand your question
The Mac users are having a ball, I started with pro tools and switched to Studio one because of the speed in work flow and the drag in drop is like ice cream with cake, UAD strength is as you say their plug ins and the interfaces, they could of balanced with both formats than hype this DAW up and slap you in the face with a Beta with bugs and just finish it or complete it for use, also UAD is copying Presonus subscription model , Now UAD is up against the wall to produce and back up what this DAW can do, It's becoming Tuna instead of LUNA , Looks like a Harrison Clone ?
Thanks for watching!
Laughing so hard after watching this brother lol. In a good way. Very funny! After 15 years of using logic I have made the switch to LUNA and am loving it for so many reasons! Glad I didn't jump to it when it first came out.
This video is almost 2 years old. Luna is better now from what I have heard.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy definitely bud! I understand this video was done awhile back. I thought you were very entertaining and it was a good watch. I also saw another video where the guy basically copied your exact video 😂. LUNA has definitely improved a lot since this video was made. Cheers!
Appreciate your frankness!
My pleasure!
I can't believe the hardware requirement and ilok. So backwards.
Everything else is forgivable for a first version.
andesneko I think this is just the new thing that companies do, I had to do the same thing for my MPC X, Advance 51 keyboard, Air plugins, and Sonivox plugins but you don’t actually need a physical ilok but you can use the software ilok instead. The hardware for Luna is the one thing that sets it apart from other daws, it effectively gives you a HDX system for a much lower price and it ensures all Luna users operate with a certain level of audio fidelity across the board to all users. I think the value comes into play when you mix your songs, you can actually hear a difference. And I’m not even talking about the Neve summing.
Thanks for your input and for watching
I'm planning on making the jump from a Protools 192 interface to UA . No Daw controller and no MP3 are two of my main concerns although all your points are dead on accurate !!!! I do still plan on using ProTools software so I figured I could probably still use my controller with the portal software. Record into Luna edit in protools mix in both Luna and Protools lol.
Luna has been updated several times since the making of this video. You may want to re-look at it
Well said and not much instrumental plugins compared to other DAW.
I agree, thanks for watching
Last comment, I agree not to switch over but use also is cool for free
I work in 4 daws protools primarily but studio one is clever and fresh
Thanks for watching!
Ok this was 7 months ago.... all very valid in my opinion... however ....how dose Luna stack up now? Can you update with a new video 😀
Maybe at one point.
I watched a UA video on Luna. Afterwards there was a long list of comments. Many were answered by a UA associate. The biggest percentage of questions asked if a specific function was supported by Luna. Most were answered "not supported" . So to me
It has a long way to go to be a useful tool... You get what you pay for...that's why it's free! Ppl
Good points! Thanks for watching
Wow, total fail on UA's part...that's gonna be hard for them to overcome...
I think they will over come. They need a fairly quick revision to fix the glaring misses and they will get on track, I think anyway.
The big attraction to luna for me was the Neve summing. I had planned to use Luna alongside Logic. I'm a little disappointed to hear your opinion on it, it has certainly put me off making the purchase and therefore integrating luna into my workflow.
They have made a couple of updates since this video. You may want to take another look
I have an x16 and x6 and like the integration but no sidechaining and extremely weak midi editing means it's unusable for me ATM. Hopefully as the product matures it will become as full featured as other DAWs.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the Review.
No problem!
I just made a rant video on how Neve products are overpriced, SSL Products are over priced. Burl audio interface Products are way overpriced. UAD is no different. Their gear is ridiculously overpriced. People are achieving great results using studio one, Presonus audio interfaces like the studio 192 and DP88. and third party plugins from companies like IK Multimedia, Plugin alliance, Isotope, Waves, and lots others. UAD are not selling as many UA 1176s or LA2A because so many plugin companies like waves, T Racks, and Slate are doing an amazing job as well as great sounding clones like Stam audio, Warm Audio and even Klark Teknik. So UAD is trying to expand their market to make money and they making the same mistakes as cakewalk and logic where their DAWs that only support half of the market and they will always lose out. These companies need to quit being greedy because of their name and realize the average home studio owner has average median income of about 30,000 a year an cannot afford 3000 dollar interfaces or 300 dollar plug ins each and so forth. This is why plugin alliance, slate, waves, and definitetly T racks is killing the market. This holds true for DAWs such as Harrison Mixbus, Cakewalk, Reaper, because they are free or reasonably priced.
Thanks for your thoughts. I don’t disagree. I don’t believe U/A is tying to market to be 30k per year customer. They play more towards the higher end market.
Lots of truth here. However, the main reason I use UAD is that I can track through there plugins in real-time with no latency. I basically use my Apollo as my amp locker. The amp sims are very, very good and near-zero latency. But your points are well taken and I'm a bit of an outlier.
CAN I USE LUNA WITH MY SATELITE AND ANOTHER PARTY INTERFACE??
no. You need an Apollo to use Luna
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy I mean I have a twin but I use the black lion revolution 2x2 for travel sessions
I got Luna for free with my UA X4 and deleted it.. the fact that I have to log onto iLock and connect my interface is crap... I'll stick with Studio One 5 Professional.... love it.
Ok, great. Thanks for watching!
Logic is my main DAW but I downloaded Luna for the sole purpose of being able to split stereo tracks into mono with one click (ala Pro Tools) instead of going through the harrowing extra steps required for that in Logic. I don’t take Luna seriously otherwise.
Great! Thanks for watching. Here is a little app than can help wit the stereo to mono issue
www.soundizers.com/
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Thanks for the info but Luna does it just fine for me. 😀
Think of Luna as costing $300 and it comes with the Neve plug in for free. Makes it feel a little better.
Either way I’m going to check it out, at least it’ll be compatible with the latest Mac operating system unlike Cubase
That's one way to look at it
yes, you can save mix
templates
now you can. Back when the video was recorded there were no templates.
In general, there are very few reasons to switch DAW. Relearning such a complex piece of software is a complete waste of time given that most DAWs today share more or less the same feature-set.
However, LUNA + Apollo is in my opinion by far the best package out there in terms of value for the serious beginner. The quality of the interfaces, the free plugins and instruments included with LUNA is just phenomenal and cover a lot of ground.
I agree that the iLok requirement is weird and a little bit annoying, especially considering the fact that the Apollo is required anyway. At least it doesn't require the dongle...
While I agree that the Neve summer is expensive, I don't understand the statement "if I'm not going to use the Neve summer, why would I use LUNA?" How can an optional plugin make LUNA useless? You don't have to use the Neve summer, use Oxide, or a third party plugin, or don't use a summer/tape emulator... Where is the problem?
LUNA is indeed behind all the popular DAWs, maybe that's why UA insist on the term "Recording System". But it is only a v1 software, it develops very fast and it's free. So make your calculations :)
As I said, switching DAW is rarely a smart move regardless.
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Okay I made this fire beat in Luna but I'm Disappointed in the lack of plugin options, and then I'm not able to convert my midi to audio, nor can I pan my instruments in the mixer. the way luna looks is cool and is simple enough to learn quickly but its like having the slots to make cool music but can't actually give your sounds what they need on the engineering side of things. Like How do I Add My Own Samples and Drum Kits? Idk if they added the save templates yet but if not, I wont be using this daw. Its cool but Studio One can do all of this and more
Luna still needs to updates for sure. Especially with the use of 3rd party VST's.
thanks! saved me some serious time
You're welcome!
thank u...sir
Thanks for watching my friend
I must say other than the absence of Surface controller(they could be working on their own) and VI instrument multiple tracks output support(dont care for any work arounds)Luna is pretty impressive.
😉It's hard for me to level negative comments at UAD about their plugin cost when their DAW is free.
Well, you need an Apollo in order to use Luna so its not "free" so to speak,
You nailed it. Not to pile on, but when you pay $2K or higher for one of their Apollo interfaces and you get a small set of their most basic plugins, it's really annoying and petty of them not to throw in even one higher end plugin - or why not let us choose plugins instead of getting the same ones for each Apollo device? I have the Twin, the x6, and a Satellite, and each time I get the same dozen entry level plugins with no option to swap for something different.
The people who put in the work to create the products deserve a payday, but these premium prices are way out of line by modern standards. You really can't get ANY decent plugin for under $300 unless it's on sale - which is rare.
BTW, I've been using Harrison Mixbus32c for STEM mixing tracks recorded in Logic, and that DAW (not great for recording) REALLY puts a good final glue and tone on a mix - all built-in to the DAW! UA even sells the Harrison EQ plugin for $300 while the entire DAW with that EQ on EVERY channel retails for $349. /rant
Thanks for your thoughts! I dont dis-agree
Why are so many angry about the Neve summing price ? i imagine it cost them heaps to develop it and they price it to make a decent return. its not ours by any god given right and if we dont want it just use something else that suits us, Running a successful company with many employees requires a profit folks.
Cheers
Everyone has an opinion and they are all valid. U/A in general has the most expensive plugins on the planet and trust me....I am a huge U/A fand. if you have been following me for any length of time you would know that. However, I need to call it as I see it. There are several other companny's that now make plugins that are just as good as the U/A stuff and they are literally a fraction of the cost. This is one of the reasons I find myself using the U/A stuff less and less these days. So, is $300 too much for the Neve summing plugin? YES it is with out a doubt. They now have the API summing plugin for the same $300 and I still thank that is double what it should be. Just my opinion.
I've been using UA since 2015 and I'm beginning to see a trend when UA releases new hardware/software. I still don't like the Console app that you have to use between your interface and your DAW to use UAD plug-ins while recording. UA seems to develop stuff for a specific situation which limits the functionality of their products. I was in the market for a reactive load box/IR manager solution when the OX Box came out. I compared the OX Box to the BOSS Waza Tube Amp Expander and the BOSS unit had more functionality that I wanted. Even though the OX Box had built-in plug-ins that were excellent, it was limited in other ways that I didn't like. Seems like Luna is the same situation. First, No PC version! Really! Then the log-in/I-Lok/hardware authentication hurdles! Then missing functions that all real DAWs have and users are used to getting without question. To me, Luna looks like the Console app with another layer added. I haven't used it (PC user), but that's my impression. It seems that Luna is designed for a static studio situation where the user has their UA system and never does anything away from there. UA has fixed some of the problems with OX Box and I'm sure that they are working on making Luna better, but they should have waited to release it until 1) the PC version was ready, and 2) they had let some users try it and got their feedback so they could fix problems and add needed features. Sometimes it seems that companies are just so in a hurry to make money on new products that they release products that aren't really ready. I really like UA hardware and software, but it seems that their Product Managers aren't focusing on what the real world user wants.
I agree with all you points. Thanks for the feedback.
You can't export it as an No PC version? MP3? No Surface support? Wow? LOL...Luna needs to go and come again.
Yep. It’s got some work to do.
I´m done with UAD since 2017.
good for you!
Good video!
Thanks!
Thanks for the video.... well, I think will let LUNA to the LUNAtics... :)
LOL....Thanks Mike
None of these reasons are a dealbreaker for me though I do like Avid's EQ7 plugin. As far as stock plugins, I have plenty of UA plugins so again, not a dealbreaker. I'll still use Pro Tools I suppose but I do plan to phase it out plus Avid makes you pay monthly. Luna is free. Kind of a no-brainer for me. Also that Neve summing sounds pretty damn good to me. I just waited for a sale. Around xmas and summer they're at least 50% off. I was lucky and got it at 60% off. Thanks for the video, it was helpful.
I have been using Luna lately as there have been several updates since I did this video. I think Luna is a really nice DAW to work in
Just another reason Propellor Head Reasons is the best
You get a Full SSL mastering mixing board in the DAW
Ask 10 people what the BEST DAW is and you'll get 10 different answers....LOL.. They are all the best! What ever works for you is what you should use and don't let anyone convince you differently.
I got the creative suite for a discount with a new X4 but dude.... NO Side Chaining
I hear ya!
This was 2 years ago. Have you changed your mind?
I have not re-tested it yet, so I am not sure
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy thanks. I would retest it. It has grown dramatically in the last two years.
Thank you!!!!
You're welcome!
we need a luna update
Check the channel, there is one
Most of these complaints are being addressed or already have been. Pro Tools uses iLOK too, doesn't seem to affect it's popularity.
I'm sure. This is an older video so hopefully UAD made some updates to Luna
I love how 3 dimensional Luna looks, It looks very professional but studio one 4.6 is Awesome so I had to go back to studio one.
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I may have to buy your classes. I mix hip hop and R &B but can never seem to get that semi professional sound at home. I have almost all of UA plugins and fab filters as well but I keep wanting to use the stock eq and delays in Studio one 4 is that weird?
By this time, most of the stuff included in the video were solved, not sure about bouncing midi to audio, but everything else is there.
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Ilok?? What a pain in the wazoo. I don't dig that at all.
I get the UA interface witch is great but dongles are a drag, they crash...No mp3 is crazy too. Too bad the plugins are great.
I have used i-lock for over 10 years and never had any issues myself
If you want an almost perfectly authentic old school analogue recording environment, I would use Luna. If I had a whole lot of money to throw at it then I would use it exclusively except I don't, and I am not a fan of their like the piano roll. I'll stick with Logic for now.
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#4) As of now it looks like they took care of exporting a mix down to MP3 format.
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It's been over a year since you made this video and UA still has not come out with a LUNA Windows version. Disappointing considering the large investment in UA plugins many of us Windows users have made.
I completely agree. I am shocked that there is not a windows PC version of Luna yet. I know they have made a lot of updates since I did this video and I do plan on doing a follow up soon as I am starting to spend more time with Luna.