We were an IH Farm Family with 1206 Turbo at the time of the AC 190 XT ... our neighbor had the 190 and I thought it was a great tractor! 👍 - Doug in Iowa 🇺🇸
Great video! When I was growing up we had a 200 and pulled an allis 6 bottom just like that. It was the funnest thing to watch dad do. In hard ground he would lift the front tires off the ground. To this day no one believes he could pull a 6 bottom with a 200 but ha you have video proof. Great job and awesome tractor
I learned at first on an AC D 17, then dad traded it up for a 190XT diesel. Mankind would it pull. Pulled anything on 6 row stuff. Even a chisel plow. I loved that tractor. Loved driving it, just didn't want to take all the chances a farmer has to take so did something else. Great tractors those AC's. John Deere was dominant in the area as the nearest AC dealer was a lot of miles away.
Great job. That tractor is doing well! I have an older 6-bottom rollover plow and nothing to pull it. It just sits out front and reminds me of how foolish I was.
I use to work for a A-C dealership I’ve dynoed 190’s at the shop sum we’re around 94 to 100 horse did a couple with the factory untouched injection pump with the seal untouched that pumped out 125 to 128 horsepower
I'm impressed! That is one great job. I have an older 6-bottom rollover plow and nothing to pull it. One big son-of-a-gun, it just sits there and reminds me of having been foolish.
I had one of those. Pulling 4 16's It would fly and our ground is tough. I pulled a 10ft AW JD disk with it for a couple of years. It would drag the axles on that disk, and be in High second. Hooked it up to a 16ft HI disk. Was moving it for my father in law to the bottom. And tried it out when I got there. Never did pull that 10ft with it again. As it did a great job with the 16ft. Everyone though it was a 85HP tractor like hte normal 190. But it had 104, and had been turned up. Had full wheel weights on back and full set of weights up front. Still have the weights, wish I still had the old tractor.
According to the old Allis mechanics I used to work with a 190XT was unbeatable in the field. Local Deere dealer quit coming to plow demos if z 190 was going to be there. Same as back when the WD45 hit the scene.
We had a XT 190 In the early 70's. I am wondering if the pump is turned up on this 190. They sound great, my ears will ring all the time because of this.
The 190XT was initially supposed to be a 90 horse tractor at the PTO. Basically, a 90HP engine. When the engine was designed, and finally put on a dyno, it made over 125HP! AC dialed it back. However, the rear end etc was already designed to be for the 90HP tractor. This is why there are issues with the transmissions etc. Rather then re-engineer the whole gear train, they changed the preload on the bearings for the rear end to handle the power. This info comes directly from an engineer from AC btw. Basically, if you tune the engine on these things you can crank the HP up big time, but the rest of the tractor will eventually break. The 190XT was a favorite early on at tractor pulls because of it's power, but in the long term it tarnished AC's reputation pretty bad.
Not sure who told you that about the transmission but that's completely false. allis Chalmers had no issues with the transmissions with the full run of 190/200. The first series of 190xt that had the bar grille were just fine until farmers turned it up and added duals and weights, it would cut the 2 pinion differential in half, so Allis Chalmers corrected it by putting in a 4 pinion diff and bigger axles, there was a campaign to upgrade older models that had not failed yet, but a lot slipped threw causing problems well after Allis was no longer offering free upgrades. The tranny would jump out of gear when the idiot who owned it tried power shifting the 4 speed gear box which was not synchronized, they ground the edge of the gear off until it would force itself out of gear. You cannot out design stupid.
@@RJ1999x Why then did they not synchronize them from the start? Surely AC had people smart enough to figure it out. Deere already did it in 1961. Is this another innovation Allis missed out on? PLENTY of 190 XT/200 around here with a bad transmission. How they got that way isn't exactly due to stupidity. People have expectations and when they realize they just can't be like the rest of the machines out there, well, there you are. The stupidity would be to buy something that isn't capable in the first place. That would be another reason I won't buy one. But in the USA in 1972, only 2 manufacturers had a power shift transmission. One had a Hydrostat but it wasn't up to heavy pulling. Most everyone had a power high/low BUT Deere on the Waterloo tractors save the 7020/7520 but that changed in 1973. Allis decided they had best come up with a Powershift transmission AFTER the other 2 did. Ford had the jerkamatic that had coasting gears. I think Deere approached them about making Ford's work right and reliable in exchange for Deere making theirs with no squaking. Funny that Ford dropped theirs and Deere continued to expand theirs to 15 then 19 speeds. Case IH even bought them from Deere in the late 90s early 2000s. They could have bought the one from Allis, wonder why? It was a pretty robust transmission that Allis designed. Deere was also making Hydrostat Dozers and tracked Loaders, something IH nor Allis could do in Hydro. All this before the current state of affairs we find prominent today.
@@thegreenerthemeaner You state facts that just aren't so. Back when the 190 were brought out nobody had a power shift type transmission, and every tractor had a non syncro tranny. John Deere had a partial syncro with the 4010 which allowed one non power shift gear change in each range. Allis Chalmers at the time had a hi-n-lo powershift. Deeres powershift was a direct copy of the Ford slush box. Deeres powershift plates were 4.5 in in diameter, all the way up to the 4960 and maybe even into the 8000 series. Doing simple math that gave John Deere plates roughly 6.28 sq in of surface to drive on. The Allis Chalmers D series plates were 7" giving the surface area roughly 14.74 square inches in comparison, this is the D series with top horse power of 72 hp vs John Deere 4960 at 200. Allis didn't make a syncro transmission because at the time farmers didn't shift up and down , you put it in gear did the job and maybe powershift to get through a mud hole or over a tough spot. Deere offered a powershift because they had no power, the torque back up of a Deere diesel was so pathetic if you couldn't shift it snubbed. The only transmission problem on 190/200 were due to guys to dumb to stop the forward motion and shift gears. An Allis Chalmers didn't need to shift gears on the road they would start the load out in 4 th gear where a John Deere couldn't pull a wet chicken off it's nest in high at low idle. Case didn't buy any transmission from Deere until the MX and they are bought from funk, which was bought out by John Deere, there is a difference. Transmission problems in the quad range we're numerous, even Deeres powershift was problematic, the Allis powershift was bulletproof.
I have viewed this video probably 20 times.I cant believe how easy it pulls that plow.If I recall correctly it's only got 301 cubic inchs thats turbo charged and w/o a inter cooler from factory..
Just about the same amount of smoke at both ends. The exhaust stack and the crankcase breather at the bottom. They really pulled a lot of HP out of such a small engine. I think it was around 95 or so hp from 301 cu in.
Seen plenty of other color tractors rated the same do the same thing here because they were not dynoed from the factory. Several manufacturers had tractors that made more power than they should have simply because someone either did not do their job or guessed at it to make quota. Allis was making some pretty good inroads into the farm scene but not everyone was buying.
Correct, 301 cubes, it seems bigger though doesn't it? I mean compared to a Cummins 5.9, just seems like more engine but then it is all out in the open compared to in the pickup. Leg over the shift lever is in reference to the problem of popping out of gear that it sounds like you don't have and I do.
Yep the 301 seems bigger not just by looks but the power it produces. You need to get that transmission repaired. Holding the shift lever with your leg or bungie strap will excel and worsen the damage. My straight 190 does pop out of gear but only when I go down a steep ditch. Not under plow load. It's on the list of things to get done but I've been using my 7050 for most things these days and if corn ever gets back to $8 that will help get the 190 up to par. I also get to use my brother's XT Landhandler and that tractor is solid as a rock. Love chiseling with it.
sequoyah59 I know this comment is old, but your transmission pops out of gear because the preload on the bearings for the mainshaft is too low. Do you have an early model? This issue was most prone to happen on the first two years production, but has been known to happen throughout. Also, the engine is capable of putting out 30HP more then factory rated with a little simple tuning, which is why it feels so much more powerful.
Dad pulled a 4x16 Oliver plow here in SE Minnesota and pulled it pretty easy. I have pulled an Allis 4 x 18 pretty good too. Some pulled 5 x16 but in our clay hills it can be tough and you don't want to weigh it down and lock the wheels to the ground. Would have been nice to have a diff lock but most in the 1960's didn't have diff lock in that size tractor. Even with the 4020 I've only seen Power Shift models with diff lock.
If she had only had a better transmission so you didn't have to sling your leg over the shift lever. 426 cubes. I thought mine was having power director problems one day and chined it to a tree. She grunted and pulled the chain into.
I believe he's talking about slinging your leg over the shifter to keep them from jumping out of gear which is caused to begin with by speed racer farm boys
ok I'll clear this matter up. You are an idiot. There I said it, enjoy it. I'll match up any equal size, same era tractor that's not US made with a 190xt and then watch the 190xt walk all over whatever foreign trash you're thinking about. and next time be sure and capitalize US
No chance, Allis Chalmers updated any 190 with small axles and the 2 pinion differential. The tractor is already 50 years old, it won't fail, it's not a John Deere
that's BS and you just wanted to say something that made you look like you had a clue. AC had some issues early on, but they straightened it out real fast. And we're talking 60's and 70's tractors here that are still out there doing their job. This tractor has probably been pulling this plow for 40 years, so when does this rear end go? We'll revisit in another 30 years and you can let me know because I haven't seen in happen. The 180's and 190's are pretty much bulletproof
We were an IH Farm Family with 1206 Turbo at the time of the AC 190 XT ... our neighbor had the 190 and I thought it was a great tractor! 👍 - Doug in Iowa 🇺🇸
Great video! When I was growing up we had a 200 and pulled an allis 6 bottom just like that. It was the funnest thing to watch dad do. In hard ground he would lift the front tires off the ground. To this day no one believes he could pull a 6 bottom with a 200 but ha you have video proof. Great job and awesome tractor
Awesome. I'm impressed with the old girl pulling those 6 bottoms. The 190XT was a very good tractor.
I learned at first on an AC D 17, then dad traded it up for a 190XT diesel. Mankind would it pull. Pulled anything on 6 row stuff. Even a chisel plow. I loved that tractor. Loved driving it, just didn't want to take all the chances a farmer has to take so did something else. Great tractors those AC's. John Deere was dominant in the area as the nearest AC dealer was a lot of miles away.
That old girl just walks that plow down the field! Awesome video
That Allis will pull the plow like a race horse. It took off after he shifted the power director.
Great job. That tractor is doing well! I have an older 6-bottom rollover plow and nothing to pull it. It just sits out front and reminds me of how foolish I was.
I use to work for a A-C dealership I’ve dynoed 190’s at the shop sum we’re around 94 to 100 horse did a couple with the factory untouched injection pump with the seal untouched that pumped out 125 to 128 horsepower
I'm impressed! That is one great job.
I have an older 6-bottom rollover plow and nothing to pull it. One big son-of-a-gun, it just sits there and reminds me of having been foolish.
good Ole Alice!! Orange!! power kicks ass!!
I had one of those. Pulling 4 16's It would fly and our ground is tough. I pulled a 10ft AW JD disk with it for a couple of years. It would drag the axles on that disk, and be in High second. Hooked it up to a 16ft HI disk. Was moving it for my father in law to the bottom. And tried it out when I got there. Never did pull that 10ft with it again. As it did a great job with the 16ft.
Everyone though it was a 85HP tractor like hte normal 190. But it had 104, and had been turned up. Had full wheel weights on back and full set of weights up front. Still have the weights, wish I still had the old tractor.
According to the old Allis mechanics I used to work with a 190XT was unbeatable in the field. Local Deere dealer quit coming to plow demos if z 190 was going to be there. Same as back when the WD45 hit the scene.
We had a XT 190 In the early 70's. I am wondering if the pump is turned up on this 190. They sound great, my ears will ring all the time because of this.
Yep you to tell an AC before you could see it by the way it sounded.
If I didn't see it, I wouldn't believe it. Wish there was more plowing done in Iowa.
The 190XT was initially supposed to be a 90 horse tractor at the PTO. Basically, a 90HP engine. When the engine was designed, and finally put on a dyno, it made over 125HP! AC dialed it back. However, the rear end etc was already designed to be for the 90HP tractor. This is why there are issues with the transmissions etc. Rather then re-engineer the whole gear train, they changed the preload on the bearings for the rear end to handle the power. This info comes directly from an engineer from AC btw. Basically, if you tune the engine on these things you can crank the HP up big time, but the rest of the tractor will eventually break. The 190XT was a favorite early on at tractor pulls because of it's power, but in the long term it tarnished AC's reputation pretty bad.
+davenhla the Allis Chalmers D-21 was a far superior tractor, it's almost looks like we're going backwards now...
Not sure who told you that about the transmission but that's completely false. allis Chalmers had no issues with the transmissions with the full run of 190/200. The first series of 190xt that had the bar grille were just fine until farmers turned it up and added duals and weights, it would cut the 2 pinion differential in half, so Allis Chalmers corrected it by putting in a 4 pinion diff and bigger axles, there was a campaign to upgrade older models that had not failed yet, but a lot slipped threw causing problems well after Allis was no longer offering free upgrades. The tranny would jump out of gear when the idiot who owned it tried power shifting the 4 speed gear box which was not synchronized, they ground the edge of the gear off until it would force itself out of gear. You cannot out design stupid.
RJ 1999 That last line is what keeps us mechanics in job security
@@RJ1999x Why then did they not synchronize them from the start? Surely AC had people smart enough to figure it out. Deere already did it in 1961. Is this another innovation Allis missed out on? PLENTY of 190 XT/200 around here with a bad transmission. How they got that way isn't exactly due to stupidity. People have expectations and when they realize they just can't be like the rest of the machines out there, well, there you are. The stupidity would be to buy something that isn't capable in the first place. That would be another reason I won't buy one. But in the USA in 1972, only 2 manufacturers had a power shift transmission. One had a Hydrostat but it wasn't up to heavy pulling. Most everyone had a power high/low BUT Deere on the Waterloo tractors save the 7020/7520 but that changed in 1973. Allis decided they had best come up with a Powershift transmission AFTER the other 2 did. Ford had the jerkamatic that had coasting gears. I think Deere approached them about making Ford's work right and reliable in exchange for Deere making theirs with no squaking. Funny that Ford dropped theirs and Deere continued to expand theirs to 15 then 19 speeds. Case IH even bought them from Deere in the late 90s early 2000s. They could have bought the one from Allis, wonder why? It was a pretty robust transmission that Allis designed. Deere was also making Hydrostat Dozers and tracked Loaders, something IH nor Allis could do in Hydro. All this before the current state of affairs we find prominent today.
@@thegreenerthemeaner You state facts that just aren't so. Back when the 190 were brought out nobody had a power shift type transmission, and every tractor had a non syncro tranny. John Deere had a partial syncro with the 4010 which allowed one non power shift gear change in each range. Allis Chalmers at the time had a hi-n-lo powershift. Deeres powershift was a direct copy of the Ford slush box. Deeres powershift plates were 4.5 in in diameter, all the way up to the 4960 and maybe even into the 8000 series. Doing simple math that gave John Deere plates roughly 6.28 sq in of surface to drive on. The Allis Chalmers D series plates were 7" giving the surface area roughly 14.74 square inches in comparison, this is the D series with top horse power of 72 hp vs John Deere 4960 at 200. Allis didn't make a syncro transmission because at the time farmers didn't shift up and down , you put it in gear did the job and maybe powershift to get through a mud hole or over a tough spot. Deere offered a powershift because they had no power, the torque back up of a Deere diesel was so pathetic if you couldn't shift it snubbed. The only transmission problem on 190/200 were due to guys to dumb to stop the forward motion and shift gears. An Allis Chalmers didn't need to shift gears on the road they would start the load out in 4 th gear where a John Deere couldn't pull a wet chicken off it's nest in high at low idle. Case didn't buy any transmission from Deere until the MX and they are bought from funk, which was bought out by John Deere, there is a difference. Transmission problems in the quad range we're numerous, even Deeres powershift was problematic, the Allis powershift was bulletproof.
190's are brilliant
its amazing 301 cubic inches will pull that good and fast!
i Have a 190Xt and i can pull 5x18 thru heavy sod in western NY, Pulls best in 5th gear.
I have viewed this video probably 20 times.I cant believe how easy it pulls that plow.If I recall correctly it's only got 301 cubic inchs thats turbo charged and w/o a inter cooler from factory..
Just about the same amount of smoke at both ends. The exhaust stack and the crankcase breather at the bottom. They really pulled a lot of HP out of such a small engine. I think it was around 95 or so hp from 301 cu in.
Ah big muscle allis
We gave up a MF178 for a XT190 so we could plow with an IH 5-16's
How many hp you running on that XT? Great sounding and looking tractor.
I like the low bulldog stance
That's some gooooood plowing
We pulled 614 with our 190xt
Seen plenty of other color tractors rated the same do the same thing here because they were not dynoed from the factory. Several manufacturers had tractors that made more power than they should have simply because someone either did not do their job or guessed at it to make quota. Allis was making some pretty good inroads into the farm scene but not everyone was buying.
Lol
Correct, 301 cubes, it seems bigger though doesn't it? I mean compared to a Cummins 5.9, just seems like more engine but then it is all out in the open compared to in the pickup.
Leg over the shift lever is in reference to the problem of popping out of gear that it sounds like you don't have and I do.
Yep the 301 seems bigger not just by looks but the power it produces. You need to get that transmission repaired. Holding the shift lever with your leg or bungie strap will excel and worsen the damage. My straight 190 does pop out of gear but only when I go down a steep ditch. Not under plow load. It's on the list of things to get done but I've been using my 7050 for most things these days and if corn ever gets back to $8 that will help get the 190 up to par. I also get to use my brother's XT Landhandler and that tractor is solid as a rock. Love chiseling with it.
SilverGleaner
sequoyah59 I know this comment is old, but your transmission pops out of gear because the preload on the bearings for the mainshaft is too low. Do you have an early model? This issue was most prone to happen on the first two years production, but has been known to happen throughout. Also, the engine is capable of putting out 30HP more then factory rated with a little simple tuning, which is why it feels so much more powerful.
Looks good💥👍🇺🇲
Why does one side of the tractor have 2 tires ?
that's a hoss cat!!
Awesome
Nice job!
Does it have a intercooler or propane injection ?
more traction. the other dual is off so the tire will run in the bottom of the furrow.
Not in southern Minnesota. No differential lock.
Dad pulled a 4x16 Oliver plow here in SE Minnesota and pulled it pretty easy. I have pulled an Allis 4 x 18 pretty good too. Some pulled 5 x16 but in our clay hills it can be tough and you don't want to weigh it down and lock the wheels to the ground. Would have been nice to have a diff lock but most in the 1960's didn't have diff lock in that size tractor. Even with the 4020 I've only seen Power Shift models with diff lock.
What s the hp of this tractor?
N-i-i-i-i-i-i-c-e, I'd like to see a 4020 try that plow at the same speed and rpms. "try"
Must be nice not having any rocks! I dont think my xt190 could do that. I just have her hooked to spreader.
Best weed control there is.
pretty decent job of plowing
is that 614 or 616
Who cares
If she had only had a better transmission so you didn't have to sling your leg over the shift lever. 426 cubes. I thought mine was having power director problems one day and chined it to a tree. She grunted and pulled the chain into.
Your leg never touches the shift lever. Nice flat platform that all others tractors makers copied. The 190XT has a turbo charged 301 not a 426.
Sling your leg over? The shifter is right between the clutch and brakes, not even close to slinging your leg over
I believe he's talking about slinging your leg over the shifter to keep them from jumping out of gear which is caused to begin with by speed racer farm boys
The 190xt was 301 turbocharged cubic inches I used to be an Allis-Chalmers mechanic
An XT would never pull a 6 on the hills of Central Pa. 5x16's would be everything it could do and not nrealy as fast . A 7020 maybe.
i got some missiori gumbo he won,t pull 6 bottoms like that that ground does,nt need plowed
Do them tractors have 2 exhaust pipes? Or it s just to much blow by !lol I m joking it s garbage us made
What?
Huh?
You never tangled with an Allis Chalmers
ok I'll clear this matter up. You are an idiot. There I said it, enjoy it. I'll match up any equal size, same era tractor that's not US made with a 190xt and then watch the 190xt walk all over whatever foreign trash you're thinking about. and next time be sure and capitalize US
If it didn't over achieve, it wouldn't be an Allis Chalmers
is that like when you claimed that a IH1066 couldn't hang with a 190?
@@jtoddjb well it can't, so......
Double dead furrow. BUMP!
Pulling it like that it's only a matter of time before the rear end goes. No planetary on this rear end.
Yes, that's a problem isn't it with 7 bottoms on this size tractor
No chance, Allis Chalmers updated any 190 with small axles and the 2 pinion differential. The tractor is already 50 years old, it won't fail, it's not a John Deere
that's BS and you just wanted to say something that made you look like you had a clue. AC had some issues early on, but they straightened it out real fast. And we're talking 60's and 70's tractors here that are still out there doing their job. This tractor has probably been pulling this plow for 40 years, so when does this rear end go? We'll revisit in another 30 years and you can let me know because I haven't seen in happen. The 180's and 190's are pretty much bulletproof