There is Moisture Trapped Inside my Vapour Barrier!

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2022
  • I calculate how much moisture is trapped inside the vapour barrier when you insulate your van.
    There is always some moisture present in the air depending on the conditions, this is referred to as the Relative Humidity and is expressed as a percentage.
    For a given temperature and relative humidity, we can determine how much moisture is present by referring to a Psychrometric chart. Using this figure and the volume of the van walls we can easily calculate exactly how much moisture was trapped inside my vapour barrier.
    From the results you can see that less than 5ml of water would have been trapped in the walls of the van, not even enough to fill a teaspoon, so it really is nothing to be concerned about.
    Even in winter when the relative humidity is 100% the actual moisture content is much less because cold air cannot hold as much water.
    There are lots of comments and opinions on the internet regarding the use of vapour barriers but nobody backs up their thoughts with hard facts, evidence or any proof. I can prove that they work and back this up with science and facts. Watch this video too • Vapour Barrier in a Va...
    If these videos have helped you make the right decisions when building your van and you would like to say thanks, you can make a small donation here www.paypal.me/gregvirgoe
    For a full parts list of our van conversion, you can click on this link and download a FREE PDF
    www.dropbox.com/s/hmeybdpw13m...
    Disclosure - As an eBay Partner, I may be compensated if you make a purchase using the above affiliate link. Thank you for supporting our channel.
    If you have any further questions please ask me in the comments section below.
    Thank you very much for watching.
    Best wishes
    Greg Virgoe
  • แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต

ความคิดเห็น • 401

  • @anonnanoo9586
    @anonnanoo9586 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Should also be noted that, that calculation is based on a void with just air. A typical build will have an insulator of some sort in that void, reducing the air content much further and reducing the moisture even more so.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Exactly 👍🏼 I also have a window cut in which is another m2 lost but so you could say this is absolutely worst case scenario. 😃

    • @paulwitham8026
      @paulwitham8026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Great video Greg extremely well explained, and in my opinion that's a finger up the nose of the doubters, thank you for all your helpful and informative information, happy travels to you and Lou 👍

    • @peterdufton1067
      @peterdufton1067 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Another gem. Makes all the complicated stuff seem so simple. Thank you again Greg 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    • @1truthseeking8
      @1truthseeking8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@GregVirgoeyou have failed...to account for "imperfect" /NON VACUUM SEALED vapor barrier...over time the barrier AND hit and cold metal will PULL IN vapor and TRAP IT...

  • @laryngis431
    @laryngis431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This was one of the biggest headaches when I was doing my insulation - there was SO MUCH MISINFORMATION and those against it were vociferous. Your videos, plus some advice from a professional helped me make the right call. This video of yours is another in a long line that cuts through the bullshit with evidence and logical thinking. Thanks, Greg!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hopefully with this series I can help to point people in the right direction. Thank you for watching 😃👍🏼

  • @MC-dd8ls
    @MC-dd8ls ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Glad I found this video. Your videos have been so helpful to me in planning my van build. Now that I've started my build I find your videos even more helpful because you provide so much theory to help me understand not only what I am doing but why I am doing it. I've said this toyou before and I cannot fail to thank you enough for the information you provide to us. I have learned sooooo much from you! A gazillion thank yous Greg!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      I try to give plenty of facts and science to show that the advice is good and can be relied upon. It’s not just me guessing what works.
      I’m pleased you found the channel and it’s great that it is helping you build an awesome van. Cheers 😊

  • @kirklacut
    @kirklacut ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks Greg, another excellent, very clear factual video. Your channel is an outstanding resource for the diy van converter!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much 👍🏼

  • @hoggythreezero
    @hoggythreezero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Greg ,
    Cheers for another informative video 👍 , nearly finished our mammoth 12 month sprinter build , 32 yrs experience under my belt ( & braces ) & much head scratching & changes of plan along the way , but certainly been a big help being able refer to your links for materials & watching your methods .
    Cheers Mike

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m really glad that the channel has helped you and hope you have many happy travels 🤩

  • @geoffcampbell7846
    @geoffcampbell7846 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice one Greg. Many people will want to know this I'm sure, and you have provided the information on how to confirm the results. Most folks wouldn't know how to get started to go though this logical process, so another Vergo gift to Vanlife. We'll done. 👏👏👋

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really appreciate your support. Hopefully it will help to give people the right information 👍🏼😃

  • @bloochoob
    @bloochoob 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And that is why Greg is my No.1 go-to guy for van build info, he should be yours, too! Excellent work and advice that makes sense. 🥇

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s very kind of you and thank you for your support. 👍🏼😃

  • @carloknuwer1026
    @carloknuwer1026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love seeing you break down every comment you got with the best science available.
    Top work, greetings from the Netherlands

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are a lot of speculation and theories but very little proof so I’m here to back up my advice with evidence. 🤩👍🏼

  • @tomthumb3085
    @tomthumb3085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well explained Greg. Perhaps people will now appreciate how much more efficient a vapour barrier is. You would undoubtedly create more trapped moisture without this barrier. Great video, thanks for sharing

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Without the barrier you are allowing moist air to continually get through your insulation to where it can cause condensation on the metal of the van. Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @richies6898
    @richies6898 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent information Greg, this whole insulation debate does become tiring with some of the arguments people put forward. Years ago, my first van was an old VW Westfalia which had been insulated from new without any barrier, I had to replace a lower wing panel and sills as the lack of barrier had allowed moisture into the insulation with all the subsequent problems you would expect. I used a basic polythene barrier in that but never had a water collection issue afterwards. My current LWB VW Crafter collected so much moisture on the roof as an empty shell over the winter, i thought it would never stop, I put the 50mm PIR board on the roof back in January which eradicated moisture build up overnight, much like your bucket experiment demonstrated 😉. Practical experience has taught me those basics, but your maths and science should certainly put the doubters on the right path 😆

  • @kahernebally
    @kahernebally 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant, well done for setting the facts straight.
    Very informative videos of how to build your own camper .

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m glad you like them and thank you for the support 😃

  • @mmwaashumslowww7167
    @mmwaashumslowww7167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Simply brilliant analysis using maths and science. If it's vanlife and there's a doubt, ask Greg as he's been there and has got T shirts 👕

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’ll only take half an hour 😂👍🏼

    • @tomthumb3085
      @tomthumb3085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. Greg is the “go to” guy for anything related to camper vans. His wealth of knowledge is, to my mind, unsurpassed.

    • @helenarusso
      @helenarusso ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Uncle Time how are you doing, nice to meet you here.

  • @nglyo
    @nglyo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video, I love these technical vids you make! Thank you!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you liked it 👍🏼😊

  • @yodocampers
    @yodocampers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey greg ,thanks to be alive in my timeline.
    Ur a genius and a mentor far away.
    Have a good life
    Cheers!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s very kind of you. Many thanks 🙏🏼

  • @jazzz60
    @jazzz60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the vid. This is the series of vids I’d recommend everyone I meet to watch. I did mine halfway between summer and winter and it’s good to know I didn’t trap that much moisture. Backed up of course by cutting into it after months/years and finding it still bone dry. If you hear anyone say “let it breathe” run far away. 🤣

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for this confirmation 👍🏼😊

  • @kulfonbustardo1588
    @kulfonbustardo1588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    greg your videos are so well done and easy to watch and learn from i have now been living 3 years full time in my stealthed self build campervan living a life of persueing my passions and sporting hobbys and alot of that is thanks to you ive said it before but thanks again. try not to let the negative comments get to you. i learnt today on a podcast (freakanomics) that we naturally absorb negativr feedback as much as 4 x more then positive feedback due to a hangover effect reguarding safety in the wild. (life has to win every day but death only has to win once) anyways top work as always and thanks again cheers matey

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The one good thing is I have total control here 😊 those that are rude simply get deleted and forgotten about. I don’t waste my time on negative people. 😃

  • @gonefilming2020
    @gonefilming2020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's such an important video, as I always had the same concerns (about ambient humidity while insulating). It saved me the trip to the desert to insulate! 😎👍
    Thanx Greg and cheers from Germany! 🚐☁🍀

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You have DESERTS in Germany!!!??
      😉

    • @gonefilming2020
      @gonefilming2020 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rogerstarkey5390 Not yet. But we're working on it. 🤣

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you I’m glad that has confirmed your thoughts 😃

  • @bobmurdoch8505
    @bobmurdoch8505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have watched all your blogs and thanks for all the information. Just like to say you are a very clever man thank you 👍👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s very kind of you. Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @4486xxdawson
    @4486xxdawson 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its always those who do little research that say your doing it wrong , good for you showing your testing , to be hounest the out skin of a vehicle is never 100% air tight anyways so its going to change up and down with the weather regardless , some people just like to complain from thier couch , others get out there and live ....thanks for the videos 👍

  • @clearprop
    @clearprop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great stuff, Greg. You are doing a superb job of calmly getting the correct information out there. It might have been a good idea to tag on the end of that video the amount of water that would have been held in that same void, based purely on condensation, by multiplying up the surface area of that uninsulated ice bucket!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes as well as that it would continue to produce water as long as the steel is cold enough. 🥴

    • @clearprop
      @clearprop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GregVirgoe I'll take the 5ml, thanks. 😉😁

  • @russ1046
    @russ1046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is exactly why I watched your van build ... actual, factual, verifiable information 😁

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you 😊 not just random thoughts 💭👍🏼

  • @bertoltb1358
    @bertoltb1358 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. If/when I build my own van I will take this great information in. I used to have a 80s VW brick and the condensation was terrible. Good to know the science. 30 yo Hymer so far so good.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m really pleased it has helped you make the right decision.

  • @annickbonnier-roy9377
    @annickbonnier-roy9377 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Essentially you want to insulate when its cold as the ability of the air to hold water vapour is low with a lower RH (as much as it can be). Or if its hot you want to have a low RH. Awesome Video! nice to clear up a lot with facts.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are correct. Colder air has less moisture content even though the relative humidity may be higher. 👍🏼😊

  • @peterblackwell6748
    @peterblackwell6748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another brilliant video Greg highly informative 👍👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much 👍🏼

  • @canaryseasider
    @canaryseasider 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great calculations Greg. Like you my van is fully insulated and vapour barrier’d and was done in march/April time.
    Hope to see you this weekend at Stratford.👍🏻

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to hear you did the right thing. 😃

    • @helenarusso
      @helenarusso ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Ken how are you doing, nice to meet you here.

  • @paulus47
    @paulus47 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wonderful calculation Greg thank you

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you liked it 👍🏼😃

  • @brianmcclure8012
    @brianmcclure8012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super informative Professor Greg!!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you liked it 👍🏼😊

  • @iceyblack4906
    @iceyblack4906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this guy and his great insight

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s very nice 👍🏼 thank you 😊

  • @craster_van_kippers
    @craster_van_kippers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video again Mr Virgoe.
    Absolutely agree that the vapour barrier is more to stop condensation created within the van. The amount “trapped” behind is indeed negligible.
    I have however pondered the idea of a strategically placed breathable membrane which would let trapped moisture out but not let it in.
    Basically thought of this while wearing my Goretex shell in the pissing rain. Wet outside no sweat inside.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don’t over complicate it just fit a good vapour barrier and sleep easy easy at night

    • @hungrycamperfilms
      @hungrycamperfilms ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GregVirgoe But Greg, you didn't put a vapour barrier on your floor when you build it. I just yesterday watched the floor video and was wondering why there's no vapour barrier. Only aluminium tape and the foam boards and wooden studs? Confused. Cheers!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hungrycamperfilms the PIR slab is foil faced so that is the vapour barrier. Then you only have to foil tape over the timber onto the foil of the boards to complete the barrier. Once I had finished taping the entire floor was one continuous foil finish. No need for anything more than that.

  • @thewanderingcaretaker
    @thewanderingcaretaker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Another great video. When I converted my van a few years back, I used rock wool with a reflective foil type vapor barrier. Not ideal, but it's what I had to hand and it does keep the van toasty. I recently decided to fit an extra roof vent, so had to take down some of the paneling and vapor barrier, and found that the insulation was bone dry, and considering rock wool holds water like a sponge, I think that proves residual moisture behind the vapor barrier is nothing to worry about.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you for posting that confirmation. We have rockwool in our van but with a good vapour barrier there will be no condensation in the first place. 👍🏼🤩

  • @user-cr6ki4qs4y
    @user-cr6ki4qs4y 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this useful information! 👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are welcome 🙏🏼

  • @michaels7127
    @michaels7127 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great stuff brother keep it up!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @stevewild4449
    @stevewild4449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant info. Greg, very informative 👍

  • @chimparse
    @chimparse ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info, well explained 👍

  • @projectt4587
    @projectt4587 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only fella out there who can put common sense into a mathematical sum and the answer turn out to be exactly what common sense says. Great video Greg, I can’t do maths but I can work out that insulation makes the air content less in the void and therefore less water content. I thought a table spoon but I’m surprised to see it’s less than a tea spoon 👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you 🙏🏼 I shall keep putting out the right information for those that want to do the right thing 🤩
      Thank you for your support.

  • @mbrider56
    @mbrider56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nicely explained Greg.Clear and simple instructions that explain everything. job done. (Nice to see Alex from "Mispronounced Adventures" in the background....)😄

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m glad you liked it 👍🏼😃

  • @danielodonnell445
    @danielodonnell445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great piece of advice tks.

  • @graham_ozzy
    @graham_ozzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Second video of you TH-cam channel and I’m very impressed by your information given well done 👏
    Ps 1 new subscriber 👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your support and hope you find my other videos to be useful too 👍🏼😃

  • @john-xx8nc
    @john-xx8nc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent vid , well put together and your bang on nothing to be concerned about cheers

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you John 😃

  • @slalomflex28
    @slalomflex28 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I fitted a full vapour barrier because of your videos pal. Never had any problems. Cheers👌

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can sleep easy with no stress 😎

  • @richardedwards9389
    @richardedwards9389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There's a reason why Greg's name keeps popping up on this subject over all the place - he knows what he's talking about!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @sparkygazza
    @sparkygazza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Greg your a van build Legend mate the best videos by far.👊💥👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you very much, really appreciated

    • @sparkygazza
      @sparkygazza 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GregVirgoe no probs Greg its good of you to pass on your knowledge.

  • @johnthacker8315
    @johnthacker8315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done Greg great information

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @xgouldiex
    @xgouldiex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Iv never understood why people struggle so much with insulation and barriers. I'm a builder and all I done was apply the same rules for insulating and sealing my van as used on houses. Tried and tested methods and yes they use vapour barrier in houses the silver foil on the insulation commonly used is the vapour barrier and we tape all the seams

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The application for houses and vans are slightly different. Generally house building materials are porous and vapour barriers are used to prevent moisture ingress from outside to inside.
      In a van we are preventing moisture inside from contacting the cold metal skin.
      Glad to see you are in agreement to using them 👍🏼😊

  • @Pelt101
    @Pelt101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😁😁 Quality… that told em Greg. Well done mate.

  • @Alivefrom45
    @Alivefrom45 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Greg.

  • @onemanandhisdog9
    @onemanandhisdog9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Right, that's it, I will only use a vanbuilder that builds in a vacuum!! 😂😂

  • @michaelthorn2229
    @michaelthorn2229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Top job Greg as always. Hopefully that will silence the keyboard warriors. I insulated my van the same as yours with the vapour barrier etc and it’s been perfect for 3 years. No damp at all in the living space and no wet areas between the van skin and vapour barrier. Its been perfect…👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There will always be a few that disagree but let them crack on with a soggy van 🚐🤣

  • @41aidata
    @41aidata 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You Are the King of van .. Cheres from Denmark🍻

  • @marks-0-0
    @marks-0-0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well explained Greg.
    I think it would also be worth adding that as a rule of thumb its not a good idea to insulate in cold damp conditions.
    Think sitting in your car when raining and seeing all the condensation on the glass.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Obviously don’t insulate if the inside of your van is wet. However colder temperature do have less moisture content in the air.

  • @lendlkaiser3622
    @lendlkaiser3622 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Greg!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are welcome 🙏🏼

  • @allanblackwell8655
    @allanblackwell8655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video Greg, a vapour barrier preventing vapour penetration. Putting a spanner in the works , let's not the sill drainage , don't know if they have a good or bad effect on moisture in the lower pannels, probably not.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You do need to seal up any trim clips and holes to make an effective Vapour barrier. If nothing can get in there then there will never be any condensation or any need to drain the void. Those holes are only there because van manufacturers know their trim leaks like a sieve 😂😊

  • @ruinunes8251
    @ruinunes8251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don’t even have a van and I gave a thumbs up because of the explanation.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your support 👍🏼

  • @alanpepper7258
    @alanpepper7258 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Greg. I understand a vapour barrier is used to stop any moisture created inside the warm van reaching the dew point of the cold outside. maybe not like that but hope you know what I mean. maybe with your knowledge you could make a video on this aspect. You certainly
    made it clear very little traped water is not an issue. Keep up the good work.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please take a look at my insulation workshop video. That does cover it I’m sure 😊

  • @HammyHunting
    @HammyHunting 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for doing all the calculations Greg it would have been beyond my brain cell capabilities 😂👍🏻

  • @tbond61
    @tbond61 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is nice to know .Thank you

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re welcome 😉

  • @rudivandoornegat2371
    @rudivandoornegat2371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And that was another episode of the UK Mythbusters, van life edition.
    Well done, Greg!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣 thank you 🙏🏼

  • @littlepotato2741
    @littlepotato2741 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember arguing with someone on Reddit about vapor barrier. He made an offhand comment that only armchair people worry about vapor barriers. At the moment, I live in a humid environment and a vapor barrier is definitely part of the plan. After some frustrating discussion with him, I was finally able to get some information out of him. He used to install insulation on commercial refrigeration trucks and was trying to leverage that experience to call anyone using or recommending a vapor barrier, an idiot. After some more frustrating discussion, I was able to get him to admit that they used a closed cell foam for their insulation. I had to explain to this "knowledgeable professional" that closed cell foam is insulation AND a vapor barrier. That he used the very thing for years he was now deriding as something only used by idiots. At that point, he fully lost it and just started spamming insults at me.
    It's amazing how people will get stuck into one way of thinking, even when they should have the experience to know better.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes there are a few insulation materials like closed cell foam that are a vapour barrier too and don’t need additional treatment. Also neoprene foam like Armaflex is a similar product. 👍🏼😊

  • @williamolsen8517
    @williamolsen8517 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome. I love math and facts. Well done. I will be using a vapor barrier!

  • @PrisonersNoLongerAccepted
    @PrisonersNoLongerAccepted 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not even getting involved in the maths of this topic because I'll lose lol but as usual your approach is brilliant as always, massive thumbs up 👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many thanks for the support 👍🏼

  • @888johnmac
    @888johnmac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    once again .. destroying Keyboard Warriors with science & decades of practical experience .. as always , thanks for sharing knowledge & experience

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really appreciate your support 👍🏼😃

  • @RedBatteryHead
    @RedBatteryHead 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Science to the rescue, again! Great Gregg!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers Jefff 🍺

  • @rajakhan354
    @rajakhan354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid mate. everything backed by science. only place to go if you thinking of converting.
    thanks Greg

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the great feedback 👍🏼

  • @SamLamingWingsuit
    @SamLamingWingsuit ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey there Greg, thanks for another fantastically informative video.
    The room I live in at the moment is 90/100% humidity in the early morning, but not really cold enough yet to need a heater on - I'm wondering with a good setup in a Van scenario what the numbers tend to be like in such conditions? Would be very interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks so much for all your content, all the very best to you.

  • @ian_morg
    @ian_morg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That’ll learn em 😂😂 Great to meet you at the ICS, it’s been a great weekend😍😎👍🏻

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good to meet you too Ian 😃 shame the weather hasn’t held out. Best wishes 👍🏼

    • @ian_morg
      @ian_morg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GregVirgoe supposed to be ok from 10 apparently 🙏🏻 we’ve got an air awning to put away so fingers crossed 😂😂

  • @chriscarey1879
    @chriscarey1879 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @MarcinAdamowicz
    @MarcinAdamowicz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like a boss! As always...

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you liked it 👍🏼😊

    • @MarcinAdamowicz
      @MarcinAdamowicz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GregVirgoe some of your videos I've watched 10-20x times (electrical)... I believe if people watch your videos from A to Z they won't need other sources to learn from... Not only you've got knowledge and full understanding of technicals BUT you also know how to TEACH... Huge respect for your work Greg...

  • @craigbaxter4842
    @craigbaxter4842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yet another great informative video Greg👍
    BTW is that young Alex's Transit behind you?

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it is, we are at the international camper van show in Stratford 😃

    • @MispronouncedAdventures
      @MispronouncedAdventures 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great spot! I didn’t even know I was in the video!!!

  • @charliecenta
    @charliecenta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Random... the van outside the window is the guy from Mispronounced Adventures, another amazing TH-cam channel for van builds! Do you guys just all hang out together now? 😁

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was filming this at Stratford International Campervan show and we both have our vans on display 😊

  • @MultiPJoys
    @MultiPJoys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you like it 👍🏼

  • @ironwooddesigns9532
    @ironwooddesigns9532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also, the FIRST warm day in the sun that heats up that wall will drive all that moisture out. The walls are ventilated at the very bottom and vapor pressure increases with temp.

  • @paulwatton2415
    @paulwatton2415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Greg nice one makes sense to me , no matter what u say someone will disagree but I know u would not put yr word on it if u where not sure of yr facts , thanks for sharing and if I ever get to build a van I’ll take your tips as sound advice cheers

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your support. 👍🏼

  • @bobbyfischer6786
    @bobbyfischer6786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just came in to see if any flat-earthers had been in to try and contradict the laws of physics in the known universe. Will check back later. Good on you gregg.

    • @jay-hv6mc
      @jay-hv6mc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep. Water seeks level and must be contained. Real science you can walk in your kitchen and prove. And yes good video greg thanks

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It would be a dull place if we all believed in the truth 😂🤔😃

  • @mausie1967
    @mausie1967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are welcome 🙏🏼

  • @Scrambler85
    @Scrambler85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great explanation.
    When I was planning my van build this was argued on every channel and van build.
    I watched years of van builds especially this channel.
    I live in South Carolina in the USA where we have a simi tropical climate with high humidity year around.
    What I did was no vapor barrier.
    I installed 1,200 watts of solar panels with 900 amp hours of lithium batteries and a mini split AC/heat pump. And a Propex HS2000 propane heater.
    I can control the climate and humidity year around no matter where I take the van.
    Definitely a thumbs up for the video 👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are fortunate to live in an area where it hardly ever drops below dew point. Also AC is the perfect dehumidifier and will dry out the inside air too.

  • @tonym2540
    @tonym2540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If I understand right, the calculation given is for one wall. So, considering all other surfaces we might need to multiply by 3, giving 15mL. This is still a small amount of water, but if you want to reduce it further (or remove whatever water might be trapped back there for other reasons), you could cut a hole in your barrier, seal in a container of desiccant for a time, remove it and seal things up again. Weigh the container before and after to see how much water you removed.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With all the insulation in there in reality the volume of air is actually very much less so probably talking about one or two drips worth 🤩👍🏼

    • @tonym2540
      @tonym2540 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GregVirgoe Very good point. I also did a quick calculation and estimated that each mL of water can rust 2 grams of iron, again a small number. So, in summary I agree this is probably not a problem in your case. But in case someone thinks it is a problem, the desiccant idea is a way to check that, perhaps quantitatively.

    • @helenarusso
      @helenarusso ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Tony how are you doing, nice to meet you here.

  • @Ballynoes
    @Ballynoes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Classic factual video as always Greg... jees I wish you had been my teacher at school... I would have paid much more attention. 🙂

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Ed, I’m glad you like the videos 😃

  • @ronbooth1382
    @ronbooth1382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow, well over my head!! I have more chance of teaching you MIDI then understanding that. Love to Lou

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m glad you watched it. 😃👍🏼

  • @deranocasper
    @deranocasper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Greg your class to take the time out and do some home work for us on moisture and Insulation and vapour barrier your videos are first class you take pride in your work
    5mls medicine spoon 🤣🤣nothing that class hope your getting a well deserved rest over Easter I watched your video on the new van conversion side windows being fitted attention to detail first class every time will the van be suitable for 2 adults and one child?
    😊

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much. Most of that knowledge comes from studying the subject at university for 4yrs.
      I pleased you appreciate the videos. Think the new van may be too small as we plan to swap seats out for just two singles. 🚐😊

  • @buddysinsight9834
    @buddysinsight9834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am going to build a van next summer and your videos are superb Greg. I would love to know the ambient moisture content inside the living area after two people have slept in the van. I use a dehumidifier in my 6m x 7m bedroom at home and after 1 week it’s pulling out 2 litres of water from the soft furnishings bedding etc. It shocks me really. I can’t explain how nice it is when you feel the crisp dry bedding you sleep all night. I only mention this because moisture emits spores that’s really bad for your health. A van is a confined space and condensation builds on areas that can’t be insulated like glass etc. Is it healthy to live in a van long term I wonder. Roof vents and circulation of air is very important I should think. I want to buy a really good young van with a bit of crash damage so I can create something special from the ground up. I build houses so I have the full skills to create something I love. 👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and all tha moisture inside your van would condensate on the van walls if you didn’t fit a proper vapour barrier.

  • @anthonypaterson7066
    @anthonypaterson7066 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many thanks Greg for the Maths lesson for Dummies, even I understood!!. Stay safe.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching 🤩

  • @ElliotMelloy
    @ElliotMelloy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It seems you calculated for the void being empty, just air. If the van is insulated properly then the air volume will be massively reduced, and your 5.2ml will be more like 1ml.
    Now I need to think about sealing any drain holes outside. Every time I see one of your videos my to do list gets longer :P

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes that’s right but even so the result is nothing to worry about

  • @DaveStone007
    @DaveStone007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video Greg. Just one question. Surely that calculation is based on the total area behind the vapour barrier being air. However, most of that void is filled so therefore the air content and moisture would be significantly lower again. Or did I miss something?

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are absolutely correct so in actual fact the reality is much better 👍🏼🤩

  • @jeffsteinmetz7188
    @jeffsteinmetz7188 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks again for the great content! I don’t claim to be an expert, but I still have questions. If I lived in the UK I would defiantly do as you recommend. However, I reside in the south western USA and we have a hot and dry climate here. I do agree with you one should take measures to ensure the moisture does not get into the walls, but what about providing a way for moisture to get out and using materials that release the moisture (natural wool)? Lots of people in the USA are using Havelock Wool because it is mold resistant and releases moisture unlike many manufactured products. A trip to the desert for a few days and one could dry things out. Please understand l am not challenging your expertise, I am trying to learn and better understand. Thank you!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you live in a hot dry climate you would not need to worry about condensation.
      Havelock wool will not stop condensation forming on the van walls if it’s cold outside. To promote it as anti mould is ridiculous. What they are saying is it’s ok for you van to be soaking wet. Why would anyone in their right mind want that to happen at any time?

  • @RAL2010
    @RAL2010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    a real engineer!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much

  • @chrisneville7310
    @chrisneville7310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video Greg and very informative. A vapour barrier is essential . I've hit -4 last winter, diesel heater on and not a drop of condensation inside the van. I've used moisture resistant MDF for the walls,. Barn doors side and back, fully insulated. Buffalo board for the bed base. We build houses in every weather scenario. If it's done right it's done good. 👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s excellent news. Glad to hear that it’s working for you too 👍🏼😃

  • @perrywelsh2558
    @perrywelsh2558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you from Oz mate

  • @greenfrog58
    @greenfrog58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Even better Numbers if you substract isolation material… 😜

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes exactly 🤩

  • @rallycorsa1600
    @rallycorsa1600 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's actually much less as probably 90% of that void is taken up with your insulation materials. Looks like you filmed this at Vanlove Fest, a good day out I thought👍👍

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was filmed at Stratford International Campervan show

  • @choxiden3776
    @choxiden3776 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Greg. Great channel. Love your videos. A question. I am preparing for my own build if I can ever find a suitable van for my budget. Would it be worth using a dehumidifier in the van at the time of creating the vapour barrier? I know the amount of water is negligible from your explanation but perhaps the use of a dehumidifier might make it even lower? Thanks for reading. Have a good one!

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It wouldn’t hurt combined with some heating if it’s winter time 👍🏼

  • @williammercer6074
    @williammercer6074 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Greg once again a spot on video. But would the insulation behind the thermal barrier take up a lot of the volume due to its mass and make the water content even less especially celotex and the like which is very dry and sealed due to its manufacture process? If that is the is the case you may have to get an eye dropper out to demonstrate. LOL

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes exactly so in reality actually much less than I calculated 🤩

  • @monkeyportions1722
    @monkeyportions1722 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info as usual!
    I have a vw crafter and am currently doing some body work on it. Moisture had got behind the black plastic trim and caused rot, which spread above the trim. Once the rot was cut out I found the bottom few inches of insulation was soaking wet in some places. I used protect VC foil ultra for a vapour barrier which wasn't ideal but has definitely kept the inside of the van dry. I insulated it first then put the vapour barrier on top. Would it be better to sandwich the insulation in with a vapour barrier either side of it? I feel like leaving a couple inches of space under the insulation would allow any moisture to run away easier as well rather than ramming it in

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You would be better to seal the clips on the plastic trim so that water doesn’t get in to start with 🙏🏼

  • @user-ql1tm4tq1p
    @user-ql1tm4tq1p ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Greg, I think your videos are very good. It should be noted however that the void between the outside skin of the van and your vapour barrier should not be air tight. There are drain points all along the side of the van to drain any moisture collected.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have sealed all the possible holes in the body work to create a sealed void.

  • @richardhewitt.easyvanlife.6957
    @richardhewitt.easyvanlife.6957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant Greg. Did it only take half an hour to work out?

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂👍🏼🤩

  • @taronerojay5213
    @taronerojay5213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant video and very well researched. That should comfort many van builders. Thanks a lot, Greg.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are welcome 🙏🏼

  • @kevinshettle8965
    @kevinshettle8965 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it low enough not to cause rust !!
    Nice vid

  • @noelgregdavis8235
    @noelgregdavis8235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well greg that was just been like back at school well done

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for watching 😊

  • @bellybutton123456
    @bellybutton123456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Greg, any thoughts into what colour a van is and its effects on insulation ?......That is white reflects heat and black absorbs heat ?....cheers Rob.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are right, light colours do tend to reflect suns rays while dark black and especially Matt colours adsorb a lot more of the suns energy. Insulation will help to slow down the transfer of heat but dark van will be warmer inside.

  • @Scamdemic
    @Scamdemic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi mate @Greg Virgoe. Been binge watching your superb videos from way back (Looking to buy my first van to convert) and this more recent video caught my eye.
    I've been trying to learn as much as I can, and I was wondering about the possibility of painting all the steel internals with some sort of rubberised paint? So in essence creating a fully sealed rubber skin on the whole inside. Is that even a thing? Thoughts? Recommendations?
    If it is 'A thing', would it be a good idea before applying more typical insulation etc over that surface?
    Many thanks for all the videos, I've been watching and subscribing to quite a few channels, and I'm really enjoying yours.

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello Neil. I wouldn’t waste your time as money doing that. A thin layer of any material wouldn’t be enough to raise the surface temperature above dew point and you would still get condensation issues. Just go with my methods and you’ll not have any problems

    • @Scamdemic
      @Scamdemic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GregVirgoe Brilliant, cheers mate. Appreciate the speedy response! On the hunt for a Vw crafter or Merc Sprinter and will definitely be taking a lot of your advice.

  • @davidmcdaid8446
    @davidmcdaid8446 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Greg
    Not sure if you’ve covered it before, but I have a question about anti-condensation coatings.‘ I rent a shipping container that I use for storage and as a workshop. The ceiling and upper parts of the sides are treated with a coating to prevent condensation - which it does very well. They describe it as graphite, and it has an artex like finish. Is that something that might work either to supplement or replace a vapour barrier?
    Thanks in advance
    David

    • @GregVirgoe
      @GregVirgoe  ปีที่แล้ว

      To prevent condensation the surface temp must be above the dew point so the layer must have some insulating properties to achieve that. Do you have any links to the product? Cheers 😊👍🏼