Great vid! Im messing with this set up right now. Im dusting off the sp404 and refamiliarising myself with it. Just remembering the basics! With overbridge, you could just reverse the audio routing u have, and plug the sp outs into the digi ins.(when u are finished and want to track into your daw). But all the sp sounds will be on a single separate stereo track that routes thru overbridge. (That signal, can be effectea by the digi’s compressor, verb and delay). Look forward to any more vids with this setup. They really compliment eachothers weaknesses well. Again, great vid mate.
Cheers! the SP has so much power and having the Digi sequence it really brings out the most potential in it. You're right, the overbridge setup is amazing, especially considering it gives so much more post recording flexibility with individual tracks, but it loses two of the best parts of the routing I use in this video: the SP404 sample time & fx/sound shaping of samples. Having the SP at the end of the chain means every sound can be sampled into the SP (and with 16 minutes per pad you can get a lot of long samples) freeing up the channels on the Digi for more sounds once you resample into the sp. In terms of fx, the SP has some incredible compressors, lofi fx & reverbs/delays, so I'd prefer having the sound of the Digi (and anything I sample into the SP) going through all of that. It's almost a catch 22 deciding which route to go with these machines, they both offer something interesting. I suppose whichever path seems more conducive to the desired workflow at the time is the best one, though they'll both work insanely well.
@@sunwarper Catch 22 describes it well lol. I think you're probably right about having the sp as the last link in the chain. Altho the digi fx are very nice, there's only 3 of them, and as you said the sp ones are great, and there are a ton of them. Although I do like overbridge I find the routings weird. You can basically have 8 mono tracks into your daw, but because the fx are sends those tracks are dry, and only the stereo master can have fx on it. So i tend to track those 8 mono tracks in dry and add fx in the daw. The main use of overbridge for me is using the digitakts inputs, to stream my gear into my daw via overbridges audio over USB. My audio interface has 4 inputs but with the digitakt and overbridge i've now got 6! I also bought a used analog 4. Using that also with overbridge now gives me 8 inputs! Which is a nice unintended upgrade. Excuse the rambling, no one in my real life is into this stuff lol. I'm really a newb as far as the sp is concerned, so I am just starting to dig into it. But I don't even sample that much with the digi, because the storage is nearly full and mono sampling is pretty limited. So sampling stereo with no time limits and manual chopping is brilliant.
I hear you, I'm leaning towrds keeping the routing modular. If I need overbridge I think I'll record in with that, then use the SP as the audio interface and add the fx in that way or in post. The only issue is it slows down the creative process, so for now I just stick with the routing I'm using now. That's a brilliant use for overbridge you're using though, nicely done. I send all my synths into a mixer, then mixer into the Digi. It's great to hear about others setups, that's how we all learn. We have a discord server for my podcast where we talk about all that stuff, you should come check it out if you want to talk with fellow gear lovers discord.gg/Yn7A9CPk
Could you do a video on how long samples would work in this setup... ie one sample could be 2mins, one 30 secs and the rest shorter... How would the digitakt trigger the sp404 in this instance?
Great question! Thanks to the SP 3.0 update this would work with the one shot mode that they added. I'll try to make a short or cover it in a livestream in the next few weeks. My studio/filming time is pretty limited at the moment as I'm dealing with a newborn, but will definitely get something out soon about it :)
I really like the combo of Digitakt & SP-404MKII. I’ve got this setup, except I route the audio from SP to Digitakt because of Overbridge. I do however have an Audio input from my Audio Interface into the SP, which allows me to send the Audio from Digitakt’s overbridge and anything else inside my DAW (Bitwig) to the SP for resampling.
It's a solid duo for sure! I still need to start messing with overbridge, but your setup is similar to how I'm imagining incorporating the SP still. I think using the SP as the audio interface would work as if I enable external input, I can add effect to the Digitakt tracks. Planning to give it a go in the next month or so
That's such a great routing, iOS apps like PaulXstretch and even garageband can open up so many sample sources and additional sounds in the mix. What iPad apps do you typically use?
You just got yourself a subscriber after a few of your videos, great content 👌 will follow your setup you're working on with great interest. Will be interesting to see at some point how you'll deal with the end of the chain stuff in your workflow, like sidechaining and separating stems to achieve that, if that is through resampling every stem separately onto the the SP-404, moving them into a DAW, etc Merry Christmas 😊
Cheers my friend, Merry Christmas! Yeah the end of the chain is where this (and most dawless setups) have a weakness. There’s a few possible workarounds, like using the digi side chain… though limited and using heavy compression on the sp with the kick super loud to pseudo side chain. Another option I’m considering is using overbridge to record into the daw, then daw into sp… it’s just all those workflows take away from making the music, so who knows. Guess it’s all worth experimenting with
Wow perfect i see you have the circuit tracks i am trying to use that as my sequencer as well as the tracks controling the roland s1 and the j6 in kinda this fromat thank you this is supper helpful if you decided to do this with the tracks i personally wouldn't mind lol thank you so much❤
I use the Circuit for controlling the Erebus and MS-1 in my full dawless setup, I talk about it a bit in this setup breakdown: th-cam.com/video/dfLoqjOzRcw/w-d-xo.html It's not quite an explainer so if you still have questions I can cover it in a livestream in the new year :)
My man!! You just keep on coming thru for me lol. Seriously thanks you for helping maximize my creativity and helping with the tools to get their thank you so much
I used to chat to someone a fair bit but he kept hassling me to get a digitakt so much so that I started ignoring him. Finally I understand why he hassled me and why I need one. I will have to give up paying nice meals at restaurants and other indulgences until I've saved up enough for one. Good timing on my behalf to work this out after the Black Friday sales 😮
Haha I think it's easy to get excited about the Digitakt, it's so powerful despite some of it's limitations. It's definitely a great piece of gear and you might be able to find some great deals on the used market
@@sunwarper I stopped as soon as I found out it was only 64 megabyte sample ram I was sure that wasn't enough I have an SP 404 Mark II so simple memory is not an issue, but it would seem that the digitakt makes a much better controller
Such a nice setup, I've been wondering about this lately and you definitely have one of the best explanations. The manual is a BIT dense when it comes to the MIDI implementation. I tend to like the pads on the SP for chopping samples - is it possible to run this configuration triggering a pattern you've recorded on the SP then add to it with the Digitakt?
Cheers, yeah it's a great little setup! Are you asking whether you can send MIDI from the SP pads into the Digitakt to then later sequence the SP again? If so, maybe you can do in and out into each machine and configure it to do so, but I'm not sure. If you're just asking whether you can sequence sounds you've chopped up on the SP with the Digitakt, you can definitely do that's what I'm doing at 3:04 in this video Hope that helps :)
@@sunwarper kind of a middle ground between those - I like playing in patterns with chopped samples on the SP - can you use digitakt to trigger pre existing patterns on the SP, but play something like a bassline on top using the DT midi?
Hmm for that, I'm not sure. I've never tried because when I sync these, I prefer the in depth sequencer of the Digitakt over the SP's. I do know there are a ton of CC programming options so if SP patterns have a cc you could definitely do something there. There might be another way as well, but I'm not sure
I use the SP-404 MK II with the Octatrack MK 2 and conected it in the way you explain. But I cannot figure out how I can adress the different Banks in the SP via midi bank select messages send from the Octatrack. I can only reach bank A1 -16 or I 1-16. How you adress all the other banks?
I've only got the Digi, so not sure exactly on the Octatrack. There should be a way to change and set the MIDI channel per track on Octa, that's at least how it works on the Digi in that you choose what MIDI channel each MIDI track on Digi is connected to.
@@DayflightTrok hope it works! On digi you can set each track’s channel and each midi channel corresponds to an sp bank (if you use the midi mode I do in this video). So hopefully there’s a similar way to do it on there
hey I got my self a similar setup. but for some reason the notes on digitakt 1-16 do not trigger the pads 1-16 on the SP. For some reason 1-2-3-4 are right. but then 5-6-7-8 are not the same as 5-6-7-8 on the digitakt. this is really unfortunate as I lose the overview because the numbers don't match up. Any idea why this is happening? or do you have this similar issue? I'm also on MIDI A and no note off setting or whatsoever.
Just so I’m on the same page, you’re setting the midi channel to the sp bank, then having issues? Are you using chromatic mode? The way I trigger the sp pads is with chromatic mode on a specific midi track of the Digi. So I would set midi channel 9 to midi 1 (bank A) then hit chromatic mode and use that to trigger the sp pads. You might be doing this already, if so lmk. Hope that helps!
Cheers my friend! So I’m not super familiar with the syntakt but it seems to have a very similar architecture to the digitakt. I would think, given that, it would work quite similarly if not exactly the same. It has multiple midi tracks right?
Thanks for your reply I don’t have (m)any experience with midi yet but I think all the 12 tracks can be switched to midi. I’ll get to experimenting soon but I’m sure I’ll be able to use some of the knowledge you share in here.
Ah that sounds vaguely familiar from when I was watching videos about the Syntakt. So yeah, it should be a case of setting however many tracks to MIDI and then choosing which bank to trigger on the SP via the corresponding MIDI channel (A=1, B=2 etc). That's if you're using MIDI mode A on the SP :)
I'm extremely new to making electronic music but I've tried everything to get the timing right between my SP and my Digitone, nothing seems to work, will this set up improve the timing issue I'm having. I'm trying to do the opposite of what you're doing i would like to use my sp as the drum machine and my digitone as the synth
Can you describe the time issue a little more specifically: Are you using MIDI connection, what settings are you using on the Digi & SP for sync, and which of the machines are you sending MIDI out from? All the settings I use in the video should translate 1:1 on the Digitone as I believe they have similar setups. There could be a few other issues, like silence at the start of samples (I have an issue when resampling on SP sometimes where it adds silence) and double checking the quantize on the sequences.
Thanks for the tips! This was super helpful. I have this setup as well and I think it's a fantastic combo for quick and creative workflow and performance. Would love to see more in-depth info on this pair.
Glad it was helpful! I'm working on a live performance with the setup (slightly expanded with the Digi doing all the MIDI/sequencing) which will be up in the next few weeks. I do have a few more beatmaking videos with this setup if you haven't seen them yet: th-cam.com/video/OXG9Yo0iHic/w-d-xo.html & th-cam.com/users/live49dRpCcG80k?feature=share Cheers :)
I'm not side chaining the SP to the Digitakt. The SP and Digi are linked via MIDI, but the audio routing is Digi into SP, SP into interface. Should you route the audio the other direction, you could side chain the SP in the Digi with the Digi's master sidechain, but then you dont get to add SP effects on the Digi audio.
This has been your most inspirational video for me
Really appreciate that David, thanks for watching :)
I just added the digitakt to my live jam setup. this video came at the perfect time. thank you!
Nice!!! What else is in your setup? I've made a full dawless desk with the Digi sequencing it all (including the SP) and it is so much fun
@@sunwarper currently i am using: digitakt > PM sv1b > sp404a > sp404mk2
This setup has so many fun live jam possibilities. Helps me keep it fresh !
Great vid! Im messing with this set up right now. Im dusting off the sp404 and refamiliarising myself with it. Just remembering the basics!
With overbridge, you could just reverse the audio routing u have, and plug the sp outs into the digi ins.(when u are finished and want to track into your daw). But all the sp sounds will be on a single separate stereo track that routes thru overbridge. (That signal, can be effectea by the digi’s compressor, verb and delay).
Look forward to any more vids with this setup. They really compliment eachothers weaknesses well. Again, great vid mate.
Cheers! the SP has so much power and having the Digi sequence it really brings out the most potential in it.
You're right, the overbridge setup is amazing, especially considering it gives so much more post recording flexibility with individual tracks, but it loses two of the best parts of the routing I use in this video: the SP404 sample time & fx/sound shaping of samples.
Having the SP at the end of the chain means every sound can be sampled into the SP (and with 16 minutes per pad you can get a lot of long samples) freeing up the channels on the Digi for more sounds once you resample into the sp.
In terms of fx, the SP has some incredible compressors, lofi fx & reverbs/delays, so I'd prefer having the sound of the Digi (and anything I sample into the SP) going through all of that.
It's almost a catch 22 deciding which route to go with these machines, they both offer something interesting. I suppose whichever path seems more conducive to the desired workflow at the time is the best one, though they'll both work insanely well.
@@sunwarper Catch 22 describes it well lol. I think you're probably right about having the sp as the last link in the chain. Altho the digi fx are very nice, there's only 3 of them, and as you said the sp ones are great, and there are a ton of them.
Although I do like overbridge I find the routings weird. You can basically have 8 mono tracks into your daw, but because the fx are sends those tracks are dry, and only the stereo master can have fx on it. So i tend to track those 8 mono tracks in dry and add fx in the daw. The main use of overbridge for me is using the digitakts inputs, to stream my gear into my daw via overbridges audio over USB. My audio interface has 4 inputs but with the digitakt and overbridge i've now got 6! I also bought a used analog 4. Using that also with overbridge now gives me 8 inputs! Which is a nice unintended upgrade. Excuse the rambling, no one in my real life is into this stuff lol.
I'm really a newb as far as the sp is concerned, so I am just starting to dig into it. But I don't even sample that much with the digi, because the storage is nearly full and mono sampling is pretty limited. So sampling stereo with no time limits and manual chopping is brilliant.
I hear you, I'm leaning towrds keeping the routing modular. If I need overbridge I think I'll record in with that, then use the SP as the audio interface and add the fx in that way or in post. The only issue is it slows down the creative process, so for now I just stick with the routing I'm using now.
That's a brilliant use for overbridge you're using though, nicely done. I send all my synths into a mixer, then mixer into the Digi. It's great to hear about others setups, that's how we all learn. We have a discord server for my podcast where we talk about all that stuff, you should come check it out if you want to talk with fellow gear lovers
discord.gg/Yn7A9CPk
Could you do a video on how long samples would work in this setup... ie one sample could be 2mins, one 30 secs and the rest shorter... How would the digitakt trigger the sp404 in this instance?
Great question! Thanks to the SP 3.0 update this would work with the one shot mode that they added. I'll try to make a short or cover it in a livestream in the next few weeks. My studio/filming time is pretty limited at the moment as I'm dealing with a newborn, but will definitely get something out soon about it :)
I really like the combo of Digitakt & SP-404MKII. I’ve got this setup, except I route the audio from SP to Digitakt because of Overbridge. I do however have an Audio input from my Audio Interface into the SP, which allows me to send the Audio from Digitakt’s overbridge and anything else inside my DAW (Bitwig) to the SP for resampling.
It's a solid duo for sure! I still need to start messing with overbridge, but your setup is similar to how I'm imagining incorporating the SP still. I think using the SP as the audio interface would work as if I enable external input, I can add effect to the Digitakt tracks. Planning to give it a go in the next month or so
One thing i did, was plug the digitakt into an ipad via usb, so as well as the digitakt you have the ipad routed to the sp as well.
That's such a great routing, iOS apps like PaulXstretch and even garageband can open up so many sample sources and additional sounds in the mix. What iPad apps do you typically use?
You just got yourself a subscriber after a few of your videos, great content 👌 will follow your setup you're working on with great interest. Will be interesting to see at some point how you'll deal with the end of the chain stuff in your workflow, like sidechaining and separating stems to achieve that, if that is through resampling every stem separately onto the the SP-404, moving them into a DAW, etc
Merry Christmas 😊
Cheers my friend, Merry Christmas!
Yeah the end of the chain is where this (and most dawless setups) have a weakness. There’s a few possible workarounds, like using the digi side chain… though limited and using heavy compression on the sp with the kick super loud to pseudo side chain. Another option I’m considering is using overbridge to record into the daw, then daw into sp… it’s just all those workflows take away from making the music, so who knows. Guess it’s all worth experimenting with
Wow perfect i see you have the circuit tracks i am trying to use that as my sequencer as well as the tracks controling the roland s1 and the j6 in kinda this fromat thank you this is supper helpful if you decided to do this with the tracks i personally wouldn't mind lol thank you so much❤
I use the Circuit for controlling the Erebus and MS-1 in my full dawless setup, I talk about it a bit in this setup breakdown: th-cam.com/video/dfLoqjOzRcw/w-d-xo.html
It's not quite an explainer so if you still have questions I can cover it in a livestream in the new year :)
My man!! You just keep on coming thru for me lol. Seriously thanks you for helping maximize my creativity and helping with the tools to get their thank you so much
I used to chat to someone a fair bit but he kept hassling me to get a digitakt so much so that I started ignoring him. Finally I understand why he hassled me and why I need one.
I will have to give up paying nice meals at restaurants and other indulgences until I've saved up enough for one.
Good timing on my behalf to work this out after the Black Friday sales 😮
Haha I think it's easy to get excited about the Digitakt, it's so powerful despite some of it's limitations. It's definitely a great piece of gear and you might be able to find some great deals on the used market
@@sunwarper I stopped as soon as I found out it was only 64 megabyte sample ram I was sure that wasn't enough
I have an SP 404 Mark II so simple memory is not an issue, but it would seem that the digitakt makes a much better controller
Such a nice setup, I've been wondering about this lately and you definitely have one of the best explanations. The manual is a BIT dense when it comes to the MIDI implementation.
I tend to like the pads on the SP for chopping samples - is it possible to run this configuration triggering a pattern you've recorded on the SP then add to it with the Digitakt?
Cheers, yeah it's a great little setup!
Are you asking whether you can send MIDI from the SP pads into the Digitakt to then later sequence the SP again? If so, maybe you can do in and out into each machine and configure it to do so, but I'm not sure.
If you're just asking whether you can sequence sounds you've chopped up on the SP with the Digitakt, you can definitely do that's what I'm doing at 3:04 in this video
Hope that helps :)
@@sunwarper kind of a middle ground between those - I like playing in patterns with chopped samples on the SP - can you use digitakt to trigger pre existing patterns on the SP, but play something like a bassline on top using the DT midi?
Hmm for that, I'm not sure. I've never tried because when I sync these, I prefer the in depth sequencer of the Digitakt over the SP's. I do know there are a ton of CC programming options so if SP patterns have a cc you could definitely do something there. There might be another way as well, but I'm not sure
I use the SP-404 MK II with the Octatrack MK 2 and conected it in the way you explain. But I cannot figure out how I can adress the different Banks in the SP via midi bank select messages send from the Octatrack. I can only reach bank A1 -16 or I 1-16. How you adress all the other banks?
I've only got the Digi, so not sure exactly on the Octatrack. There should be a way to change and set the MIDI channel per track on Octa, that's at least how it works on the Digi in that you choose what MIDI channel each MIDI track on Digi is connected to.
Hi thx for the hint. I will try to set 8 different midi channels (1-8) in the midi part of the OT to trigger 8 different Samples in the SP
@@DayflightTrok hope it works! On digi you can set each track’s channel and each midi channel corresponds to an sp bank (if you use the midi mode I do in this video). So hopefully there’s a similar way to do it on there
hey I got my self a similar setup. but for some reason the notes on digitakt 1-16 do not trigger the pads 1-16 on the SP.
For some reason 1-2-3-4 are right. but then 5-6-7-8 are not the same as 5-6-7-8 on the digitakt.
this is really unfortunate as I lose the overview because the numbers don't match up.
Any idea why this is happening? or do you have this similar issue? I'm also on MIDI A and no note off setting or whatsoever.
Just so I’m on the same page, you’re setting the midi channel to the sp bank, then having issues? Are you using chromatic mode? The way I trigger the sp pads is with chromatic mode on a specific midi track of the Digi. So I would set midi channel 9 to midi 1 (bank A) then hit chromatic mode and use that to trigger the sp pads. You might be doing this already, if so lmk. Hope that helps!
Would this work with sp404 mk2 and Syntakt too? Thanks for all your help been following you for a while love your beats.
Cheers my friend! So I’m not super familiar with the syntakt but it seems to have a very similar architecture to the digitakt. I would think, given that, it would work quite similarly if not exactly the same. It has multiple midi tracks right?
Thanks for your reply I don’t have (m)any experience with midi yet but I think all the 12 tracks can be switched to midi. I’ll get to experimenting soon but I’m sure I’ll be able to use some of the knowledge you share in here.
Ah that sounds vaguely familiar from when I was watching videos about the Syntakt. So yeah, it should be a case of setting however many tracks to MIDI and then choosing which bank to trigger on the SP via the corresponding MIDI channel (A=1, B=2 etc). That's if you're using MIDI mode A on the SP :)
Thanks I will get experimenting 👍
I'm extremely new to making electronic music but I've tried everything to get the timing right between my SP and my Digitone, nothing seems to work, will this set up improve the timing issue I'm having. I'm trying to do the opposite of what you're doing i would like to use my sp as the drum machine and my digitone as the synth
Can you describe the time issue a little more specifically: Are you using MIDI connection, what settings are you using on the Digi & SP for sync, and which of the machines are you sending MIDI out from?
All the settings I use in the video should translate 1:1 on the Digitone as I believe they have similar setups.
There could be a few other issues, like silence at the start of samples (I have an issue when resampling on SP sometimes where it adds silence) and double checking the quantize on the sequences.
Thanks for the tips! This was super helpful. I have this setup as well and I think it's a fantastic combo for quick and creative workflow and performance. Would love to see more in-depth info on this pair.
Glad it was helpful! I'm working on a live performance with the setup (slightly expanded with the Digi doing all the MIDI/sequencing) which will be up in the next few weeks.
I do have a few more beatmaking videos with this setup if you haven't seen them yet:
th-cam.com/video/OXG9Yo0iHic/w-d-xo.html
&
th-cam.com/users/live49dRpCcG80k?feature=share
Cheers :)
How are you side chaining the sp to the digitakt?
I'm not side chaining the SP to the Digitakt. The SP and Digi are linked via MIDI, but the audio routing is Digi into SP, SP into interface. Should you route the audio the other direction, you could side chain the SP in the Digi with the Digi's master sidechain, but then you dont get to add SP effects on the Digi audio.