jazz is a logical next step after baroque. The classical and new age era are very different while baroque and jazz sound a lot like eachother. Check out early FRESCOBALDI canonza for instance, verrry jazzy. Smart you hear the connection.
@@TiwazGoudsnor I couldn't find Frescobaldi canonza, but I found some Frescobaldi canzona -- I'll check them out later. Edit: Did this. I wouldn't call canonza (at least I - IV) jazzy, but the point stands that some Baroque and some jazz do have something in common. This is more readily noticeable with some of the works of Vivaldi (for instance, some of the concertos from La Stravaganza).
Though microtonal music may seem modern, this harpsichord is based on an original instrument by Vito Trasuntino, 1606, currently located at museo Internazionale e biblioteca della musica di Bologna. Studio31 has also made instruments with 36 and 24 keys per octave.
honestly i think the concept of microtonality is really a reflection of what european music theorists took for granted in the context of their own music. "Microtonal" or non-equal temperament music has always been present in other music traditions and continues to do so. That's what's normal for them! So hopefully someday we can understand these different music traditions according to their own understanding of tonality. It would be a music revolution.
@@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH yeah. all music is about getting used to it, you wont like a hard rock sound in first listen and it might sound like just noise to you but someone who listens to those types of music will call it a masterpiece. people just arent used to hearing microtonal notes, and they classify their sound as "wrong" because of what they are accustomed to, but after listening it for a while it starts to sound really unique and beatiful.
@@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH Equal temperament is great tho’. While I enjoy microtones, It’s rarely pleasant to listen to. In this composition, chords don’t even resolve, there’s nothing to grab onto, so many notes, and they all have weird relations,it just moves like a drunk person, almost with no intention. I feel like it should be done in moderation, with taste. And I think that some people really support this, just because they think that 12tet is some kind of western elitist conspiracy, while in reality 12tet is just a logical, easy to understand, learn, and use tuning. Idk I’m yapping sry
@@brucerain2106 certainly within this song there are some stylistic and aesthetic choices being made. Listen to Gamelan Pegulingan or arabic music or smth and you'll see how non 12TET traditions manage a cohesive and subtle system of note and chord relations.
I love how this microtonal piano looks. Instead of being a weird hexagon board, it's more like... the sequel to the piano/harpsichord It's piano but more
@@Kids_Scissors the design of the lumatone makes it super easy to just play around in, it gives an intuitive feel to many new tunings that make you truly get what makes them tick (it's an isomorphic keyboard which means there is only one shape per chord that you can transpose where ever you want)
I still don't understand how microtonal music hasn't seen wider popularity and further advancement with how technology and manufacturing have advanced to allow not only more complex designs of instruments, but more complex design of the music itself.
In cases like this, usually the simpler answer is likelier: the added complexity for both the player, listener and instrument builder apparently does not weigh up to the increase in musical enjoyment for most audiences. Another point might also count, namely that in music without tempered instruments, such pure and microtonal harmonies can already be enjoyed. In that sense, it is already widespread in a sense, which would be contrary to your point.
my edge-lord hot take : our society is such that it does not produce western tonal harmony composer on par of the great composers of before, i think because we simple do not work enough. These geniuses started working every day of their life in early childhood. We simply do not have that level of commitment nowadays to that precise style of music, because its not like there are no musical geniuses anymore AND THEREFORE since we do not produce such geniuses to dedicate themselves to the new technocological advacenments, there are less works to be appreciated by the wider public. 'cause i think we can all agree this isntrument is just incredible and i am pretty sure that if this instrument had been around in the days of the previoulsy mentionned geniuses, we would have seen tonal harmony compositions where quarter tones are a thing and tonal harmony would have had to adjust to this like how do we even go about analyzing quarter tones? sorry i am very naive and enthusiastic just sharing my very biased opinions i dont see this as the absolute truth haha
There are a lot of parallels between Jazz and Baroque, both are improvisatory and emphasize modal harmony, polyphony and chromaticism (they also led to a simplified harmony in later styles, i.e. classical era/rock and pop)
True. However, Bach inter-wove advanced chordal colorings into this works. Therefore, jazz. // Further, and in a real way, Debussy literally transferred these chording out of Classical Music and singlehandedly opened the door to jazz music. Debussy was aware of Scott Joplin's ragtime piano pieces (The Entertainer, Maple-Leaf Rag, etc), and publicly praised and defended his work, esp. Joplin being a black composer in the post-slavery US). Joplin composed in sonata from, and besides his novel rhythmic structures (swing), he lived and communicated in the tonality of the Classical composers. Generally good jazz musicians are familiar with and understand Classical music. @@gehirndoper
It's not coincidence. Jazz composers intentionally borrowed baroque tonality to create bebop. Taking a ii-V-I phrase and jamming another relative ii-V-[I] or a relative-V or a tritone sub in the middle of it all like a mutant chord-sandwich is basically Bach's calling card. And the rules of counterpoint created a wonderful structure for melodic improvisation. It was a damn good idea.
Indeed! From Bach's fascinating usage of fleeting, transitional jazz chordings, to black-slave Gospel sining, plus Debussy & Scott Joplin. Jazz came from these things, and generally, good jazz musicians take an active interest in Classical music and understand it on a deep (theoretical) level.
This shows how complex blues and jazz are to employ those kinds of microtones, it evokes that cozy warmth of those genres when listening to this. I wish I could learn to play that
@@alexloveday6430"It's jazz so it doesn't matter if it's microtonal." That is one of the more astute comments here. Just think of what Billie Holiday and Ella Fitzgerald do with their voices! But perhaps, in jazz especially, the keyboard usually serves as "the reference" in matters of pitch, the "instrument that is neutral and doesn't stray from the true note", and so it is a shock when it suddenly abandons its time-honoured neutrality. Like Grandpa suddenly getting up at the dance and turning cartwheels.
I am not capable of even understanding a single word in the title, let alone comment on the hypnotizing sound produced by this instrument and musician.
It's microtonal - it has pitches that fall between the notes of the 12-tone scale which comprises basically all of Western music, like a note between C and C#. That's why it has so many buttons
I'm by no means a musical expert but I feel like the microtonal realm has a lot of diffrent emotional potentials. The disapointing thing I see in it is that many people often fly from 1 idea or feeling and rush to the next far too quickly. Instead of expaning on 1 unique chord or small progression and seeying what it has to offer there seems to be some need to move to the next thing. I think this is a shame. I'd love to see a piece that expands on one idea and explores it's possibilieties so the listener can get used to the motive or (mode).
This piece does appear to be based on one idea, though. The melody and progression introduced at start is repeated and gradually varied. Maybe try listening a few more times...
Interesting and pleasant to listen to. Georg appears to like to draw from many different musical styles covering many different musical eras alongside some original ideas and puts it all together in series so there is always quite a lot happening. It never really stands still.
This might be the best version of microtonality that I’ve heard, IMO. Sounds like it’s tempered to provide more true intervals as options, rather than just smaller equal subdivisions. Am I right? Usually microtonal instruments sounds more “out of tune” to me, but the majority of what you played here sounded more “in tune” than 12 TET to me. Are your microtone options the true major third, true perfect fifth, true seventh, etc based on the overtones, by any chance? If not, I’d love to know what you’re doing to make the chords work so well. Bravo!
Only sounds out of tune because your ear is trained to listen for the "normal" scales. If you listened to nothing but this style for a few years, modern pop would sound out of tune.
those are some really interesting cadences and resolutions. Not being a big music buff (getting back into studying theory that I heretofore ignored because I found a lute... and not tuning in equal temperament is fascinating), how do you reconcile trying to get perfect(er) intervals while still meaningfully moving around the tonal center? it seems to me (relative layman) that the more you try to preserve the purity of intervals, the harsher the voices clash. That feels like a limiting factor to how well you can modulate. Is that... true? oh! is it possible for that instrument to do the Collier modulation to G half sharp?
The problem is that when you are limited to a manageable number of pitches, improving the purity of one type of interval tends to worsen the purity of others (aside from fortunate synergies that are the exception rather than the rule). To improve the purity of multiple types of intervals generally requires increasing the number of pitches, which makes them harder to use and makes building a fixed-pitch instrument more difficult and more expensive (the latter is especially true for a pipe organ). You can get some mileage out of going to an unequal temperament, but after a certain point this limits your ability to modulate to other key signatures.
@@romeolz ohhh i remember that from an adam neely vid. I remember hearing jacob collier explain it himself and i couldve sworn it was just gradually shifting up but i could be wrong
This probably is equally tempered to 31 tones per octave. So most diatonic intervals are cleaner than in 12-tone equal temperament while it has a manageable number of tones. Transposition works like in any other equal temperament. Modulation to G half-sharp exactly is not possible because there are no quartertones, but modulation by a neutral third is possible.
He isn't exactly gentle with some of the enharmonic shifts in his chord progressions. This music is very layered and I don't reckon was made to be accessible. There's a lot to stomach here but I like it. Not all microtonal music is like this
Honestly, this is the best example of microtonal music that's actually listenable that I've personally come across (not that I listen to much though but anyway). Very nice ideas here and there but barely coherent. It's a story which goes nowhere but ends up all over the place. This is what I imagine a musician would do with the have-baked melodies that I, a non-musician, come up with and humm to myself sometimes.
After the very first three notes I thought this was gonna be a cover of Joan Osbourne’s ‘What if God was One of Us,’ and I couldn’t have been happier to have been wrong
Can you clarify in the video description above whether this is in 31-tone equal temperament or whether the 31 divisions of the octave are based on (unequal) natural intervals?
I believe they're natural intervals but I can't be sure, you can look for this specific one by looking up the clavemusicum omnitonum, which studio31 has as linked in the description
@@stephenweigel Thank you, if it's 31edo does that mean it should still be considered meantone, if it's not based on natural intervals? Once again, maybe the uploader will eventually add a few words clarifying all this in the video description above.
I think it sounds great but I am still glad we went for the present tuning standard. The dissonance in that also has its virtues. For instance by giving certain scales their tension. The best keyboard however is the Janko layout. Inspired by it I have developed a 4 row standard keyboard adapter which combines the best features of a pianokeyboard and …. an oldfashioned typewriter! 😁
Look up archicembalo or clavemusicum omnitonum It's got I think 31 notes per octave, it does distinguish D# Eb and it includes B# and Cb, E# and Fb. The point of it I think is to have every major third be just
@@soupisfornoobs4081 Thanks for that. Yes, I will look it up. I know thatthe 12-tone octave is imperfect, and my piano teacher, all those years ago, noticed the dischord of playing certain notes on it, but we have all got so used to it that I don't think I'd hear the difference between that and a perfectly pitched piano. When an instrument with 31 notes per octave is played, does it sound better, or more harmonious to you? I'll be interested to see if I can hear a difference.
@@DownhillAllTheWay I wish I had an instrument like that to test myself. I'm looking for something like the one in the video to buy but it seems no one's making them. There are projects on TH-cam and such that compare pieces with different tuning systems, I can normally tell the difference but it might also be placebo effect. If you wanna test yourself I'd recommend looking for a comparison of Bach's well tempered clavier on an actually well tempered instrument
@@soupisfornoobs4081 It probably isn't placebo. I was educated in electronics, and a friend and myself once set a couple of sine-wave generators up in the lab at tech college, to produce the sound of middle-C - 261.63 Hz (I just looked it up!) and if one oscillator was then set to a frequency just 2Hz higher or lower, and the sound was switched back and forth between the two oscillators, it was quite discenable which one was higher in pitch - we can hear very small differences in pitch. Mind you, that was 60 years ago - I don't know that my hearing still works that well now!
I've been listening a lot to these videos. I really _want_ to be able to appreciate the 'non-standard' notes, but it's so hard for my brain to not classify them as just out of tune. I keep listening and trying to hear some beauty. I think it honestly will take time to appreciate, but I also feel like there are probably microtonal chords that are beautiful if I can just listen long enough.
You should give *Hear Between the Lines* a try! If you want other recommendations that might help you get accustomed with xenhmarmonic music, feel free to ask! :)
I am a piano tuner, and I do not know what to think of this. I am neither loving it nor hating it. I just have no idea how to categorize this in my head. 🎹 (I did "like" the video tho)
Sounds like early Baroque music and some kind of 1960s jazz fell in love . . . .
jazz is a logical next step after baroque. The classical and new age era are very different while baroque and jazz sound a lot like eachother. Check out early FRESCOBALDI canonza for instance, verrry jazzy. Smart you hear the connection.
@@TiwazGoudsnor I couldn't find Frescobaldi canonza, but I found some Frescobaldi canzona -- I'll check them out later.
Edit: Did this. I wouldn't call canonza (at least I - IV) jazzy, but the point stands that some Baroque and some jazz do have something in common. This is more readily noticeable with some of the works of Vivaldi (for instance, some of the concertos from La Stravaganza).
@@TiwazGoudsnorThe 32nd Beethoven piano sonata has a nice second mvt.
Hello @@Lucius_Chiaraviglio :) There is no "canonza"; it was simply a misspelling of "canzona" (meaning "song" in italian) ... Cheers :)
This actually kind of sound a lot like George van Epps to my tin drummer erar.
Ive never heard jazzy microtonal music like this before
and on the harpsichord!
Jazz is boring
@@CarlosTapia-bw2uu brother, no digas eso :c
@@CarlosTapia-bw2uu boring straight towards the center of the earth
@@CarlosTapia-bw2uu Jazz is not boring, it's just not for you
Though microtonal music may seem modern, this harpsichord is based on an original instrument by Vito Trasuntino, 1606, currently located at museo Internazionale e biblioteca della musica di Bologna. Studio31 has also made instruments with 36 and 24 keys per octave.
Not to mention that microtonal music is a staple in ancient music globally.
honestly i think the concept of microtonality is really a reflection of what european music theorists took for granted in the context of their own music. "Microtonal" or non-equal temperament music has always been present in other music traditions and continues to do so. That's what's normal for them! So hopefully someday we can understand these different music traditions according to their own understanding of tonality. It would be a music revolution.
@@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH yeah. all music is about getting used to it, you wont like a hard rock sound in first listen and it might sound like just noise to you but someone who listens to those types of music will call it a masterpiece. people just arent used to hearing microtonal notes, and they classify their sound as "wrong" because of what they are accustomed to, but after listening it for a while it starts to sound really unique and beatiful.
@@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
Equal temperament is great tho’. While I enjoy microtones, It’s rarely pleasant to listen to. In this composition, chords don’t even resolve, there’s nothing to grab onto, so many notes, and they all have weird relations,it just moves like a drunk person, almost with no intention. I feel like it should be done in moderation, with taste. And I think that some people really support this, just because they think that 12tet is some kind of western elitist conspiracy, while in reality 12tet is just a logical, easy to understand, learn, and use tuning. Idk I’m yapping sry
@@brucerain2106 certainly within this song there are some stylistic and aesthetic choices being made. Listen to Gamelan Pegulingan or arabic music or smth and you'll see how non 12TET traditions manage a cohesive and subtle system of note and chord relations.
I love how this microtonal piano looks. Instead of being a weird hexagon board, it's more like... the sequel to the piano/harpsichord
It's piano but more
nonono lumatone looks CRAZY i want one so bad but they’re expensive af but omg they look so cool
@@m00nbeams42 I love the look of the Lumatone too. I'm just not a connoisseur of microtonal music lol so I'm not sure I'd get a lot of use out of it
@@Kids_Scissors the design of the lumatone makes it super easy to just play around in, it gives an intuitive feel to many new tunings that make you truly get what makes them tick
(it's an isomorphic keyboard which means there is only one shape per chord that you can transpose where ever you want)
@@romeolzyeah, compared to this keyboard, which looks really cool but requires 31 different fingerings for each scale
it's not a piano
I still don't understand how microtonal music hasn't seen wider popularity and further advancement with how technology and manufacturing have advanced to allow not only more complex designs of instruments, but more complex design of the music itself.
In cases like this, usually the simpler answer is likelier: the added complexity for both the player, listener and instrument builder apparently does not weigh up to the increase in musical enjoyment for most audiences.
Another point might also count, namely that in music without tempered instruments, such pure and microtonal harmonies can already be enjoyed. In that sense, it is already widespread in a sense, which would be contrary to your point.
One can argue that LoFi contains elements of microtonal music. It's using continuously shifting microtones to texturise.
because most microtonal music doesnt sound this good..
my edge-lord hot take : our society is such that it does not produce western tonal harmony composer on par of the great composers of before, i think because we simple do not work enough. These geniuses started working every day of their life in early childhood. We simply do not have that level of commitment nowadays to that precise style of music, because its not like there are no musical geniuses anymore
AND THEREFORE since we do not produce such geniuses to dedicate themselves to the new technocological advacenments, there are less works to be appreciated by the wider public. 'cause i think we can all agree this isntrument is just incredible and i am pretty sure that if this instrument had been around in the days of the previoulsy mentionned geniuses, we would have seen tonal harmony compositions where quarter tones are a thing and tonal harmony would have had to adjust to this
like how do we even go about analyzing quarter tones?
sorry i am very naive and enthusiastic just sharing my very biased opinions i dont see this as the absolute truth haha
It's probably because it's so complex that it's hard to use.
Well, I was certainly not expecting to hear jazz on a microtonal harpsichord today.
One can very rarely plan for these things
I think it's a clavichord
@@Pigroooo No. It is a harpsichord, clavichords have a quieter and closed sound
It's not really jazz, it's like Renaissance music with a jazz influence. It is neither jazz nor classical, yet it is both.
There are a lot of parallels between Jazz and Baroque, both are improvisatory and emphasize modal harmony, polyphony and chromaticism (they also led to a simplified harmony in later styles, i.e. classical era/rock and pop)
Bach's 5th Brandenburg Concerto comes to mind - the extended harpsichord cadenza in the first mvmt.
Baroque musique isn't modal, but tonal.
True. However, Bach inter-wove advanced chordal colorings into this works. Therefore, jazz. // Further, and in a real way, Debussy literally transferred these chording out of Classical Music and singlehandedly opened the door to jazz music. Debussy was aware of Scott Joplin's ragtime piano pieces (The Entertainer, Maple-Leaf Rag, etc), and publicly praised and defended his work, esp. Joplin being a black composer in the post-slavery US). Joplin composed in sonata from, and besides his novel rhythmic structures (swing), he lived and communicated in the tonality of the Classical composers. Generally good jazz musicians are familiar with and understand Classical music. @@gehirndoper
It's not coincidence. Jazz composers intentionally borrowed baroque tonality to create bebop. Taking a ii-V-I phrase and jamming another relative ii-V-[I] or a relative-V or a tritone sub in the middle of it all like a mutant chord-sandwich is basically Bach's calling card. And the rules of counterpoint created a wonderful structure for melodic improvisation. It was a damn good idea.
Indeed! From Bach's fascinating usage of fleeting, transitional jazz chordings, to black-slave Gospel sining, plus Debussy & Scott Joplin. Jazz came from these things, and generally, good jazz musicians take an active interest in Classical music and understand it on a deep (theoretical) level.
It takes an incredible understanding of music theory and how chords work to be able to play jazz on a microtonal harpsichord. Nice job!
not to mention dexterity
This shows how complex blues and jazz are to employ those kinds of microtones, it evokes that cozy warmth of those genres when listening to this. I wish I could learn to play that
This is absolutely incredible. The harmony legit blew me away
He is a master at the doodad. Love it
This is amazing music!! So good, I can't believe some people get bored listening to this.
me
I agree. Not boring.
Wow, this music is so xxxxxx. I can't believe other people have a different opinion about it than I do!
lol
usually i find microtonal music too deep for my taste and i don't know if i just like the standard tuning parts but i find this pretty approachable
I didn't even know this was microtonal until reading the comments
It’s jazz so it doesn’t matter if it’s microtonal
@@alexloveday6430"It's jazz so it doesn't matter if it's microtonal." That is one of the more astute comments here. Just think of what Billie Holiday and Ella Fitzgerald do with their voices! But perhaps, in jazz especially, the keyboard usually serves as "the reference" in matters of pitch, the "instrument that is neutral and doesn't stray from the true note", and so it is a shock when it suddenly abandons its time-honoured neutrality. Like Grandpa suddenly getting up at the dance and turning cartwheels.
It sounds, interesting
I am not capable of even understanding a single word in the title, let alone comment on the hypnotizing sound produced by this instrument and musician.
It's microtonal - it has pitches that fall between the notes of the 12-tone scale which comprises basically all of Western music, like a note between C and C#. That's why it has so many buttons
vonamoe is the name of the piece, georg vogel is the composer/performer, clavemusicum omnitonum is the name of the instrument
please put this on Spotify so I can listen to it constantly
This is equally jarring and wonderful, love it! Thanks for jiggling my preference for music ☺️
I'm by no means a musical expert but I feel like the microtonal realm has a lot of diffrent emotional potentials. The disapointing thing I see in it is that many people often fly from 1 idea or feeling and rush to the next far too quickly. Instead of expaning on 1 unique chord or small progression and seeying what it has to offer there seems to be some need to move to the next thing. I think this is a shame. I'd love to see a piece that expands on one idea and explores it's possibilieties so the listener can get used to the motive or (mode).
Very nicely put.
This piece does appear to be based on one idea, though. The melody and progression introduced at start is repeated and gradually varied. Maybe try listening a few more times...
need this on spotify
I’m so in love with this.
what an amazing exposition of the range of colors in this tuning... wow!
everyone in the comments is calling this piece jazz but imo this is a pretty new sound, love it, new genre unlocked
I get a Piazzolla vibe from this. What a phenomenal instrument!
Love the stuff you play, and I start to adore this instrument… just amazing 👏🏾
Totally agree with you my dear cousin! I’m just as impressed as you are. Beautiful instrument…
@@teomankarahan3451 I'm glad we agree on this, my big assed cousin!
After 10 seconds of this I absolutely need to listen to the Wohl Temperiertes Klavier ...
Well-tempered is for weaklings
For some reason this sounds way too satisfying.
Excellent. Some of those unique modulations are very beautiful.
The way my eyes widened when I realised what all those extra keys are for! Fascinating
Very interesting. Sometimes it makes me remember Skrjabin. Thank you for shasring, keep up the good work, and best wishes from Spain!
Just thought the same, some chords and cadences are almost middle period of Scriabin's style
He probably would love this instrument though
@@rodnaskel2123 it's because of minor 3rd movements. you can notice the whole dom7 chord moving up/down (i forgot which)
Very insightful, completely agree.
This is so cool, I can't stop listening.
This is perfect, I absolutely need this instrument
Solfeggio lesson. Let's start a dictation. Teacher:
I just expanded enormously at this newness.
and came a little
This is beautiful. I’d be really interested to see what it would sound like if you played the Piece Backwards
this is the first time I've heard one of these sound good. Very natural sounding cadences
Crazy! I hear some tango reminiscences, but from a different world
This is what well-tuned vocal jazz feels like - on a keyboard though, fascinating!
This is so beautiful! Why isn't it more widely played?
its probably expensive to make but i want one
Because most people won't enjoy It, don't you realize MOST Young people listen to trap and horrible "music"?
Probably because it sounds like shit
@@thomasbellamy1 🤣🤣🤣
@@thomasbellamy1 yeah, If you think about it sounds like trying to play the off tuned piano that has been waiting in a basement😅
Interesting and pleasant to listen to. Georg appears to like to draw from many different musical styles covering many different musical eras alongside some original ideas and puts it all together in series so there is always quite a lot happening. It never really stands still.
It’s truly amazing isn’t it? I transcribed it into sheet music on my channel if you’re interested in checking it out!
There is something mysteriously beautiful to this.
This might be the best version of microtonality that I’ve heard, IMO. Sounds like it’s tempered to provide more true intervals as options, rather than just smaller equal subdivisions. Am I right? Usually microtonal instruments sounds more “out of tune” to me, but the majority of what you played here sounded more “in tune” than 12 TET to me. Are your microtone options the true major third, true perfect fifth, true seventh, etc based on the overtones, by any chance? If not, I’d love to know what you’re doing to make the chords work so well. Bravo!
You're right. This types of keyboards favour major thirds (and to a lesser extent minor thirds) at the expense of fifths mostly
Its 31-tet, which has pretty good thirds and a pretty good 7:4 (the "barbershop seventh").
Only sounds out of tune because your ear is trained to listen for the "normal" scales. If you listened to nothing but this style for a few years, modern pop would sound out of tune.
@@Uruz2012 do you always assume so much? You don’t know me 🤣
@@Uruz2012 No. Dissonance is objective.
those are some really interesting cadences and resolutions. Not being a big music buff (getting back into studying theory that I heretofore ignored because I found a lute... and not tuning in equal temperament is fascinating), how do you reconcile trying to get perfect(er) intervals while still meaningfully moving around the tonal center?
it seems to me (relative layman) that the more you try to preserve the purity of intervals, the harsher the voices clash. That feels like a limiting factor to how well you can modulate. Is that... true?
oh! is it possible for that instrument to do the Collier modulation to G half sharp?
The problem is that when you are limited to a manageable number of pitches, improving the purity of one type of interval tends to worsen the purity of others (aside from fortunate synergies that are the exception rather than the rule). To improve the purity of multiple types of intervals generally requires increasing the number of pitches, which makes them harder to use and makes building a fixed-pitch instrument more difficult and more expensive (the latter is especially true for a pipe organ). You can get some mileage out of going to an unequal temperament, but after a certain point this limits your ability to modulate to other key signatures.
the modulation to G half sharp was done over multiple measures and was a gradual pitch shift, meaning he cannot
@@LeakyJAZZ it wasn't a gradual pitch shift (if i remember correctly) it was more similar to a comma pump (look it up)
@@romeolz ohhh i remember that from an adam neely vid. I remember hearing jacob collier explain it himself and i couldve sworn it was just gradually shifting up but i could be wrong
This probably is equally tempered to 31 tones per octave. So most diatonic intervals are cleaner than in 12-tone equal temperament while it has a manageable number of tones. Transposition works like in any other equal temperament.
Modulation to G half-sharp exactly is not possible because there are no quartertones, but modulation by a neutral third is possible.
I've been waiting to see a song performed on this instrument since i first saw it in a Short. Really cool!
Maybe I am not ready for this. It just hurts.
He isn't exactly gentle with some of the enharmonic shifts in his chord progressions. This music is very layered and I don't reckon was made to be accessible. There's a lot to stomach here but I like it. Not all microtonal music is like this
Honestly, this is the best example of microtonal music that's actually listenable that I've personally come across (not that I listen to much though but anyway). Very nice ideas here and there but barely coherent. It's a story which goes nowhere but ends up all over the place. This is what I imagine a musician would do with the have-baked melodies that I, a non-musician, come up with and humm to myself sometimes.
If you come up with and hum your own melodies you are (or could be, depending on definitions) a musician!
☹
@@RuthvenMurgatroydbarely coherent? Man you should check my sheet music transcription, this song has a clear set of chord changes that repeats
Amaría escuchar la canción de "the lamp is low" tocada por éste instrumento tan fantástico
Beautiful tone... Makes a nice jazz instrument!
Another hot one from the Duke of Ellington.
Feels like you are switching genres instantly.
this made me feel some type away
This composition reminded me of the echoes of the musical language of the 20th century composer Alfred Schnittke ❤
I can’t tell if it’s a mess or if I am not ready for this kinda music
This sounds fantastic! 😊
It's so strange and addictive
Kiss From a Rose would sound gorgeous on this!
There needs to be more songs written for this instrument
After the very first three notes I thought this was gonna be a cover of Joan Osbourne’s ‘What if God was One of Us,’ and I couldn’t have been happier to have been wrong
It reminded me Astor Piazzolla´s music. Beautiful
If jazz music existed during the 1600’s, this is what it would have sounded like.
Que lindo!
This is incredibly beautiful thank you so much for sharing this ❤
This guy is far ahead of other microtonal musicians, his music actually sounds good lmao
This is crazy good.
This is beautiful! Keep playing!!
Wait wait how are the keys here mapped to the 31-tone system? Small black keys are sharps/double sharps and small white keys are flats/double flats?
This was wonderful.
Sounds so mellow, I like it 🙂
Wonderful!
Now, this needs some lofi hiphop beats to go along with it.
As i was listening to this my coworker looked at me and goes "bro... thats giving me constipatiom wtf is that" 😅
I got big goosebumps because I dreamt of this some night some decades ago.
I think I know what you mean
Can you clarify in the video description above whether this is in 31-tone equal temperament or whether the 31 divisions of the octave are based on (unequal) natural intervals?
I believe they're natural intervals but I can't be sure, you can look for this specific one by looking up the clavemusicum omnitonum, which studio31 has as linked in the description
@@soupisfornoobs4081 Maybe the uploader will eventually add this basic information to the video description above, so everyone may learn more.
@@dbadagnait’s 31edo. I transcribed it into sheet music on my channel!
@@stephenweigel Thank you, if it's 31edo does that mean it should still be considered meantone, if it's not based on natural intervals? Once again, maybe the uploader will eventually add a few words clarifying all this in the video description above.
@@stephenweigel th-cam.com/video/y9lJJxmHB3E/w-d-xo.html
Michel Legrand composition ? Very nice sound !
Surprising sound
Thanks to Stephen Weigel transcribing this, returned here again.... 🌜🎹☕📚 ahhh
Wow! Please consider making an entire album on vinyl for your music! It's what's missing in this world❤ bravo!
it takes a lot brain to understand this instrument. good work
I think it sounds great but I am still glad we went for the present tuning standard. The dissonance in that also has its virtues. For instance by giving certain scales their tension. The best keyboard however is the Janko layout. Inspired by it I have developed a 4 row standard keyboard adapter which combines the best features of a pianokeyboard and …. an oldfashioned typewriter! 😁
Essa mistura de músicas do Cartola e outras brasileiras com esse monte de notas e melodias e acordes... Muito bonito.
1:47 hahahhah that high F didn’t want to sound.
Preldues and fugues in all tonalities when?
The crossover between baroque and jazz
I like this frequent key changing style☺
In some parts I felt it like jazz but futher than that, you know?
I loved it.
2:50 Autumn Leaves?
I love this
You should make a version of this with drums & bass.
this instrument looks so fun to play, but it opens so many subdivisions of theory, like staring into the fifth dimension.
love how the gestures are recognizable, but the locus of tonal gravity is from a different planet. Probably one with a lot less mass than earth...
I love it. Honestly hilarious that it’s in A minor. Or is it in A-sharp major based on the ending chord…
Lovely, kind has it's own sound like to hear more variations...
Sounds fantastic.
昔の楽器で時間を越えた音楽。タイムワープした楽器が見たユメ
How does this keyboard work? What are the notes on its keys? Does it differeniate between D# and Eb, for example?
How many notes to an octave?
Look up archicembalo or clavemusicum omnitonum
It's got I think 31 notes per octave, it does distinguish D# Eb and it includes B# and Cb, E# and Fb. The point of it I think is to have every major third be just
@@soupisfornoobs4081 Thanks for that. Yes, I will look it up. I know thatthe 12-tone octave is imperfect, and my piano teacher, all those years ago, noticed the dischord of playing certain notes on it, but we have all got so used to it that I don't think I'd hear the difference between that and a perfectly pitched piano. When an instrument with 31 notes per octave is played, does it sound better, or more harmonious to you?
I'll be interested to see if I can hear a difference.
@@DownhillAllTheWay I wish I had an instrument like that to test myself. I'm looking for something like the one in the video to buy but it seems no one's making them. There are projects on TH-cam and such that compare pieces with different tuning systems, I can normally tell the difference but it might also be placebo effect.
If you wanna test yourself I'd recommend looking for a comparison of Bach's well tempered clavier on an actually well tempered instrument
@@soupisfornoobs4081 It probably isn't placebo. I was educated in electronics, and a friend and myself once set a couple of sine-wave generators up in the lab at tech college, to produce the sound of middle-C - 261.63 Hz (I just looked it up!) and if one oscillator was then set to a frequency just 2Hz higher or lower, and the sound was switched back and forth between the two oscillators, it was quite discenable which one was higher in pitch - we can hear very small differences in pitch. Mind you, that was 60 years ago - I don't know that my hearing still works that well now!
I love this!
Wow! It's amazing so much! I want to get the ability of that, or try to do!
Well, i like it
Froberger would have loved to have such a keyboard in his possession
“Hello and welcome to the Bach Alley Café. What can I get for you this evening?”
I've been listening a lot to these videos. I really _want_ to be able to appreciate the 'non-standard' notes, but it's so hard for my brain to not classify them as just out of tune. I keep listening and trying to hear some beauty. I think it honestly will take time to appreciate, but I also feel like there are probably microtonal chords that are beautiful if I can just listen long enough.
You should give *Hear Between the Lines* a try! If you want other recommendations that might help you get accustomed with xenhmarmonic music, feel free to ask! :)
nobody here hearing the potential for this and latin jazz specifically????
I am a piano tuner, and I do not know what to think of this. I am neither loving it nor hating it. I just have no idea how to categorize this in my head. 🎹 (I did "like" the video tho)