Discovering a NEW MODE Through This Microtonal Defect
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- Ever heard of double lydian? What about Double Phrygian? Double Dorian? In this video we explore microtonal modes, and their "double mode" extensions through a curious defect in an old baby piano. Through tuning theory and the magic of 31 EDO we will bend the fabric of harmony as we know it, and see just how far we can push the envelope of microtonal music theory with 31 notes. Babe wake up, new music theory just dropped!
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A quick note on "out of tune" & how we describe music we don't like:
I often read the comment "it just sounds out of tune". I think a lot of musicians and creators working in the microtonal space hear that frequently. More often than not I take that as a substitute for saying "this does not sound good". That is fair. Microtones, Xenharmonics, or just about anything not in 12 can be jarring to the ears upon first listen. If it's not your cup of tea, its not your cup of tea. The wording of that comment however, has always bothered me. It presupposes 12 tone equal temperament as being the "superior" tuning system. Ubiquity does not imply superiority. On a technical level, when microtonalists hear "it sounds out of tune" we chuckle to ourselves, because, we have the insider knowledge to know better. It's not in 12, yes. That does not mean its not in tune. We are just calibrated to a different tuning system, and therefore don't feel the need to necessarily judge the music to a 12 TET standard. This might just be a minor distinction in the macro. Language after all is fluid, constantly flowing from one kind of colloquialism to the next, why scrutinize such a casual saying like "it sounds out of tune"? The language that we use matters. Every time we groan that microtonal music is "just out of tune" we entrench ourselves deeper into the idea that 12 tone equal temperament is the absolute standard, and that everything that falls short of it is bad. Don't get me wrong, there IS bad microtonal music. Just like there is BAD 12 TET music, but that's not the point. Out of tune means something very specific: You have fallen outside the bounds of expectation in terms of the overall pitch content in your music. The expectation part is important. A wise man once said "don't judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree". When we place those kinds of expectations on the fish it becomes harder and harder to see the fish for all the things its incredibly good at. If I'd have picked up this baby piano and said to myself "Yikes, its just out of tune!" that probably would have been the end of it. I'd set it down and have been on my way. No digitized tuning, no double mode shenanigans, no really unique music. I would have considered that a shame. Would you?
Timestamps:
00:00 - It's in A... Kinda...
04:56 - Finding Beauty in the Dissonance
07:20 - Digitizing Microtonal Tunings
08:39 - Re-conceptualizing music in 31 EDO
11:00 - The Double Mode Concept
16:17 - Double Lydian Jam
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A quick note on "out of tune" & how we describe music we don't like, but first! If you liked this video, please consider supporting my work on Patreon! www.patreon.com/LeviMcClain
I often read the comment "it just sounds out of tune". I think a lot of musicians and creators working in the microtonal space hear that frequently. More often than not I take that as a substitute for saying "this does not sound good". That is fair. Microtones, Xenharmonics, or just about anything not in 12 can be jarring to the ears upon first listen. If it's not your cup of tea, its not your cup of tea. The wording of that comment however, has always bothered me. It presupposes 12 tone equal temperament as being the "superior" tuning system. Ubiquity does not imply superiority. On a technical level, when microtonalists hear "it sounds out of tune" we chuckle to ourselves, because, we have the insider knowledge to know better. It's not in 12, yes. That does not mean its not in tune. We are just calibrated to a different tuning system, and therefore don't feel the need to necessarily judge the music to a 12 TET standard. This might just be a minor distinction in the macro. Language after all is fluid, constantly flowing from one kind of colloquialism to the another, why scrutinize such a casual saying like "it sounds out of tune"? The language that we use matters. Every time we groan that microtonal music is "just out of tune" we entrench ourselves deeper into the idea that 12 tone equal temperament is the absolute standard, and that everything that falls short of it is bad. Don't get me wrong, there IS bad microtonal music. Just like there is BAD 12 TET music, but that's not the point. Out of tune means something very specific: You have fallen outside the bounds of expectation in terms of the overall pitch content in your music. The expectation part is important. A wise man once said "don't judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree". When we place those kinds of expectations on the fish it becomes harder and harder to see the fish for all the things its incredibly good at. If I'd have picked up this baby piano and said to myself "Yikes, its just out of tune!" that probably would have been the end of it. I'd set it down and have been on my way. No digitized tuning, no double mode shenanigans, no really unique music. I would have considered that a shame. Would you?
Absolutely phenomenal video, and I wish more people would express this thought. I think we need more words to differentiate the different (bundled up meanings) of “out-of-tune.” Another great artist engaging in differently-octaved layouts is Dsilton
And yet it’s weird to refuse to use the clarinet as “just off register” for overblowing 3/1 rather than 2/1.
thanks for that video... I sometimes feel like my tuned guitars are out of tune and sometimes my out of tune guitar plays GREAT. I will keep workin at it and get there
There really is something beautiful about embracing microtones sometimes, and this was one of them. Thank you for this video.
toy maker: I have never touched a piano in my life and will save money and effort by fudging it because kids don't know how pianos work
Levi: This is revolutionary
Basically 😂
@@urproblem It would be wrong to think that. They literally put two sets of the first 5 notes of the octave on the same line in the second octave. No serious piano manufacturer would do that.
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The quality of these videos is insane, and the small amount of views you have is criminal. Keep it up, we need channels like yours!
View number 420! Woop woop!
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Agreed, he deserves more eyeballs.
Adam Neely, let's go and make a double scale challenge #doubleultralocrian
I’m still waiting for him to do a lydian augmented scale challenge.
One of my favourite things is when church bells ring and play tunes. Sometimes, they're very "out of tune" but I've always found a certain beauty to it. And many times, they're "out-of-tune" due to the bells being tuned to their bell harmonics, which is not in line with the common western scales.
Bell harmonics and strike tones are fascinating. Would love to do a video one day breaking down the acoustics behind them!
I would KILL to have this tuning in Scale Workshop and this toy piano as a sound font! This is ethereally beautiful.
hey, what is Scale Workshop?
search "sevish scale workshop" and it should be the first result. It's an easy way to build microtonal scales / tuning files to plug into your vst's and stuff. It's very interesting and useful though.@@ecetheplatypus
@@ecetheplatypusthe website where u can create scales created by sevish
@@ecetheplatypus it allows you to make a custom scale, like the c major scale, but microtonal
i thought i was watching a video from someone w like 200k subs or smth, the production quality is so good omg
+ this is such an interesting topic
Thank you so much! Maybe one day if I play my cards right
I find difference of 20 or 40 hz very beautiful, and alot of horn instruments have false fingerings that suit that. It opens up so many arrangement effects
If you apply it to one note of a chord, it can add an otherwise inaccessible character.
Or you can make a chord progression and then try moving some up or down, I like this as a way of denying resolution.
The fact this guy makes some of the best musical content and THE best microtonal content and has *6k subs* is just mind blowing.
Thank you!
This is amazing! How does this video only have 8,000 views?
I can't speak. I'm baffled. I adore this new realm of seemingly infinite possibilities and I'm taken by the soundscape
My brain is once again thoroughly broken. Thank you for expanding my view of what music can be
Thanks for the recording help for the toy piano! Your engineering skills are legendary my friend
Brilliant! Finding elegance in the apparently inelegant - love it!
Also, by the way, I concur with your observation of the strong 3rd harmonic in the timbre. Specifically, I hear a fundamental strike pitch and a 3rd harmonic ring pitch.
Here before this goes absolutely viral. Can’t believe the sheer quality of this video. Keep up the great work
I wouldn’t count on this blowing up, but I appreciate the sentiment! Thank you for the support!!
Microtonal music is such a rabbit hole. Getting adjusted to it takes time, but the more you listen to it, the more you start appreciating the world and what it gives us.
Definitely. The rabbit hole goes DEEP, and its so worth the journey.
This video goes so hard and deserves so much more attention🔥
Appreciate that! Thank you
Really a wonderful narrative description of your thoughts here. Thanks man.
wow... i just programmed this tuning into my favourite clean but dreamy piano patch in Reason [Five Metre Grand] - its a pure clean classical piano patch, just with insane body smoothness and dynamics, the patch just sounds so good on its own
but i programmed this tuning into the patch diatonically, absolutely drenched it in effects and I swear I could play this patch all day long....
playing this patch is like discovering music for the first time again, i cant convey how stupidly theraputic it is to play
reminds me of this childrens psaltry instrument my cousin used to have at their house, i would always find that thing when we visited and play it for hours.. it was always just perfectly detuned... they also had a piano that hadnt been tuned in years
the amount of nostalgia i get from playing this patch.. caked in reverb and Waves Enigma, just wow.... emotional rollercoaster..
ive been familiar with microtonality since learning of Maqam system in post secondary, but it was not expanded upon in the main courses...
in terms of applying microtonality, i obviously know how to program it cause i just did, but i just never knew where to possibly begin with using it.. not to mention microtonal polyphony and harmony...
im originally a rock drummer so honestly I was proud of myself just to know counterpoint lol....
this video was an amazing experience, im definitrly going to check out that microtonality class
Love it. There are so many paths you can take with microtonality. 31 in particular you could study for a lifetime and still have more to learn by the end.
I normally don't comment... but holy shit, the jam at the end was legendary! Such a great payoff. Not many people literally invent new music theory. You are breaking barriers with this channel!
the quality of these vids is amazing, dont stop!!!
Thank you so much! I have years worth of video ideas in the noggin, I don’t plan on stopping for a long time!
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL TUNNING, it opens a *WHOLE* new world of ideas that escape the 12TET sytstem
Thanks for finding this piano and understanding it. You are musically enlightened. So beautiful!
Appreciate that, thank you for watching!
My brain can’t even begin to think of what to say about it, but I can’t stop listening to it…
5:19 : There's something I can't quite place my finger on...
His fingers: *on the piano keys*
Hahahahaha
Astonishingly beautiful.
This is my favorite video on youtube. Everything is just so beautiful, emotional, and expressive. Thank you for this piece of art, Levi.
Keep on making what you like. I support you 100% of the way.
I'm something of a musician myself, I've been trying to unfold that secret chord this might be it after the 99999999999999 combinations I've been trying in my whole 80 years of living
Holy shit! This was such a well-made, fascinating video, and that song at the end blew my mind in the most satisfying way. Will that be on any streaming platforms at any point? (Possibly, as an extended version??) Absolutely crazy this doesn't have more views, but I bet it will soon!
Thank you! No plans on release for this song in particular, it was mostly just a way to demonstrate the sound, but I am working on an album! Hopefully will have something out this year.
This is fantastic. I love that the sharps/flats are painted on. Beautiful sounds. Just subscribed!
Great video and music examples. Love the strength-based approach to what was originally viewed as a deficit. Not always easy or essential to do that, but it definitely works here.
An odd little observation I had: The distance between the slightly sharp F# and the upper A is actually extremely close to a just 15/13, which led me to do a little mental math, and I actually think that the diesis trick here would be interesting to match to 50-EDO, with that slightly wider diesis of 48¢, as it accommodates some of the strange 13-limit and even 17-limit-adjacent aspects of this found tuning quite well and matches a few of the intervals dead on.
Amazing video. I love how you take us on a journey that pushes us past our preconceptions of what sounds in tune and lead us into a realm of very cool new harmonies.
Thank you Bob! It’s all about perspective. So much to still be explored!
Okay, how come you make these awesome musics in every video and don't post them on Spotify? Because I swear I'd listen to it DAILY
Hahaha thank you! Honestly, the stuff I make here is done very quickly. I usually make it within an hour or two. This doesn’t mean it’s bad, but it is unpolished, and hastily mixed. When I release something for streaming I want it to be something I’ve put a lot of thought, time and love into. I feel like it’s only right to give ya’ll my best. That said, I have an album in the works, and hopefully it’ll be out something this year!
This channel is so underrated omg
Double D sounded interesting. Most people don't have 7 or 31 key per "octave" keys... so, the other 5 notes could allow for secondary modes on standard keyboards, ones that you can retune custom, of course. Yeah, I'm already subbed to Z.
Great video with fascinating stuff in it, definitely gonna check out more. (Great compositions too!)
Amazing video. Will definitely be sharing it with my students! Subscribed
This is an awesome video. I have some questions:
1. In double modes, does the double octave jump up a diesis to become pure?
2. Wouldn’t 62 be better to represent the toy piano’s tuning, seeing as roughly 5 notes are a half diesis off?
3. I love how this got us to a double mode idea. I guess I’m wondering how well the double mode idea functions with the toy piano. The main and super octaves work almost perfectly, until that pesky 6th that is actually raised by a diesis instead of lowered. And the sub octave is (very roughly) raised half a diesis. This brings me to question four, which turns out to be an addendum on question one: is this an infinitely expanding space? If we aren’t doing pure double octaves, then would the sub octave be raised a diesis creating a triple mode? How far can you take this before it stops sounding good? Sure, if you stick to just the prime octaves and only one other octave at once, it’ll work, but does it break when you try and use the sub and super octaves together?
I suppose I could try and answer these questions myself, it was just something I needed to posit.
Wow, thank you for your thoughtful questions! I'll try to answer here:
1. Yes by the end of the second octave the diesis jump to the 3rd octave is adjusted to its pure relative to the prime root note!
2. 62 would be better in terms of representing the pianos authentic tuning, but personally I find anything beyond 31 to be a bit too cumbersome to work with practically. The goal with this channel and my work is to show the practicality of microtonality. To this end, I've tried to dive deep into 31 with these latest videos on the channel rather than wide with exploration of other edos. Would love to do that one day, but right now I'm focused on creating a foundational body of educational work in 31, so 31 we shall explore!
3. Yeah, the toy pianos real world tuning doesn't perfectly represent the double mode idea, but its close enough to make it work.
4. I like your thinking! I had this same thought, and am working on a video right now about this very topic and an idea I'm crafting called the Quadralydian Concept!
this is like if a piano and a gamelan metallophone had a child
Interesting way to treat 31 (tone equal temperament, I think you probably mean). But there’s a magic in the inharmonic overtones of the toy piano that doesn’t transfer to instruments with a more harmonic series. I don’t suppose you’d consider sampling it, exactly the way you had it placed and miked up for this video, and post it as a Kontact or Decent patch?
I actually did sample it in stereo with three different dynamic inputs on each note, so a rudimentary sampler VST is possible for sure. I usually have all of my sampler instruments I create on this channel available on my Patreon for all tiers. I’ll put it up this week!
It reminds me a bit of gamelan music. Obviously it’s not a pelog or slendro scale, but the way that the tuning of the individual notes works with the inharmonic overtones is magical in a vaguely similar way.
5:06 Reminds me a bit of something (Desert Island Rain?) by Sevish.
Poor octave equivalency is a huge issue when beginning on saxophone, i'm gonna have to get in touch with my first music teacher and tell him i was just droping dieses
I'm going to recommend Secret Chiefs 3 to anybody interested in these kinds of ideas. Seriously.
Great video, thank you
Fun little instrument there, it's got a melancholy sound that's unique for sure, almost a Balinese Gamelan sort of sound.
Damn this is super cool
few toys would deserve a review like this. That is one nice toy !
This is great.
Thanks!
This was such a cool video!
i really love that "out of tune" feel, especially non-octave tunings or stretched tunings
your feelings are irrational
@@Fire_Axus me trying to figure out why you needed to point that out
Just one point about this 31 notes scale : the fifth which should be the best harmonic interval is even less accurate than our 12 notes scale.
(2^(18/31)#1,4955 or 2^(7/12)#1,4984 closer to 1,5)
I like it. It’s like peering into a realm just beyond the consensus boundaries for reality. Seems to presage what might be ear candy for humans living in the 23rd century.
30 steps in 31EDO = egual to 3 major thirds. So for minor modes (phrigian etc) it would be better to use 4 minor third equivalence instead of octave (31) or 30 (3хmaj third)
Hey, would you share the pianoteq tuning file? I'd like to explore that!
Mixing the same scale with two different base frequencies are really cool, to me it kinda feels like the music is melting into different chords when switching between the sharper and flatter scales
toy piano timbre is very well suited for this strange tuning. Maybe it was tuned like real pianos, not by tuner, but by trying to councide the overtones of real strings
Great video, well worth a sub. But you know what irked me to the dephts of my soul? The fact that not once did you play all of the keys of the piano in order from leftmost to right! That's like the one thing I'd do if I got my hands on the beast.
I am trying to replicate this in the Sevish Scale workshop. But I am a little confused with it. Here is clear than the 0 is treated as degree 1. But in Sevish workshop 0 is 1? Does that mean that 1 here should i translated there as 2? o.o confused
Man i really want to know what double locrian would sound like! This is so cool
It's like a mediaeval castle with wifi and modern heating and cooling capabilities, but oddly still candle lit
this is cool
It sounds like windchimes. 😊
Haha those keys are very strange in how they move when you press them. :D.
WHAT ARE THESE VSTs I NEED THEM
The tempered tuning that we've become accustomed to is an artificial approximation in itself. That toy piano is like windchimes to me. It just IS. Why would you even bother going around the whole planet seeing how the sound of waterfalls and whooping cranes compare to tempered tuning? I dearly love tempered tuning, but I sure as heck wouldn't want to go and "tune" all the birds in the forest
Fog horniness
@6:10
I'm sorry
If a percussion instrument player is playing them off tempo, that technically means that the percussion is out of tune if you think about it enough
enough/too much
cool
4:26 líbor
plot tip: triple modes
But that toy piano has TWO CONSECUTIVE groups of black keys!
i love the idea of this sorta stuff but i dont even get regular music theory. so i just feel too dumb to wrap my head around this
I got instant 27/37edo vibes from the toy piano!!! and it isn't even that close to being in either...?
I can't help think of Durutti Column's "Piece for Out of Tune Grand Piano" - th-cam.com/video/V0ns9F8pHzQ/w-d-xo.html
VST when??
no way this has 700 views
Tbh, I’m surprised it’s doing this well! 😂
someone was drunk when they made that piano
L I M I N a L
i subscribed because your quality to subscriber count ratio is unbalanced
Appreciate that! As I grow I can’t wait to have the budget to do larger scale videos. There are a lot of Ideas in the works that would benefit from a large documentary scale production. Hopefully I’ll get there one day!
you made this comment about how the interval was "out of tune" but "makes ... feel a certain way", but you didn't invite your listeners to say how *they* feel when they listen and hear that same thing. slow down, palio buddy. we're all probably kinda on similar wavelengths about this stuff but get off that high horse about telling people what to think and feel, and instead *ask* them what they think and feel when they hear the same thing.
This… is a deeply strange comment 😂
You’re free to feel however you want about anything bud. I can’t stop you, nor would I try, or even want to try. You don’t need my permission to have opinions or feeling on things, just… have them.
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Random, but okay 😂
it's not random in the slightest. There is great darkness in your videos.@@LeviMcClain
@@RememberGodHolyBible would you mind elaborating on this great darkness you sense from my videos? I’m genuinely curious, because I’ve always tried to put positivity and education at the forefront of my content 😅
7:16 nope
I like microtuning but you're trying to explain stuff like you know something while just being bewildered by it. Get good first. Then tell us. ^__^ thx sweetie
😂😂😂
your feelings are irrational