Data Scientist Breaks Down why WHOOP doesn't Work.

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  • @TheHeadincharge
    @TheHeadincharge 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    While I think this video is very good in concept, I think you make a lot of assumption errors about what these metrics are supposed to represent according to WHOOP themselves. The assumption that strain and recovery should be a negative correlation makes sense on the surface for example, but is most certainly an improper understanding of the metrics themselves. Recovery is based off of how well you actually recovered from the strain, more specifically it's really just a measure of how well you slept as it records its key metrics during sleep, not wake (a potential problem IMO, but not the one you address). You can heavily exceed your strain goal in a day and also have an extremely high recovery score if you get good, effective sleep; the two variables are not inherently correlated. WHOOP even clearly states in their strain section that it is ok and even good to exceed your strain goals as long as you have good recovery habits after. Every individual's recovery habits are going to be different, so making broad assumptions based on a sample size of 1 person is also already problematic in this context. Your body may simply recover very well because you have good sleep habits or sleep longer after a high strain day for example. I personally have an issue with WHOOP in that I think the names for some of the things they track can be confusing, but I think your key assumptions about these metrics are quite problematic. While I appreciate the effort of this video as I've been interested about WHOOP myself for a bit now and equally curious about their claims, I think this video definitely missed the mark in a lot of ways and I wish you would have done a bit more research. As anyone who deals with data knows, anyone can analyze some data and make some charts, it's the interpretation that is the most crucial and difficult aspect.
    You also don't seem to state how long you wore the strap for and what range you're including data from? Or at least I can't find it in the video. Since most of the metrics are inherently based upon your own personal baselines, I would have pretty major concerns if you included data from within the first two weeks of wearing the device in these charts. Once again, I appreciate the effort here, but as a researcher, I found it pretty difficult and at times frustrating to watch this video and have it be presented as an objective dismantling of WHOOP when you are making some pretty large errors in basic experimental design and analysis through most of the video. I'm not trying to be rude here, but I think you can do a lot better if your goal is to try to teach people about how to properly analyze and interpret data. As it is now, this video is not much better than most of these styles of "analytic" TH-cam videos that often underwhelm in the actual analysis and interpretation of the subject and lack much needed nuance. Once again, parts of the video were great and I loved the concept and effort you put into it, I just think there's some key things you overlooked that are worth considering in future content, especially when the average person watching these videos likely doesn't have a good grasp of how to properly interpret an r-coefficient or an effect size.

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Fantastic points and everyone who watches the video should also read your caveats here.
      For reference, I wore the WHOOP for ~120 days and the 90 days I included in my analysis did not include the baseline measurement period.

  • @WaileaRose
    @WaileaRose 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Same here...I returned and got my money back! I was testing my heart rate with my chest strap through my Peloton and my apple watch and manual pulse check and these 3 were very close. The Whoop on the other hand was way out to lunch not to mention the crazy spikes up and down. Thanks for the TH-cam Video...confirms what I experienced!

  • @battle4dead
    @battle4dead 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What are your thoughts on the Fitbit Sense 2 in terms of heartbeat sensor accuracy? also it has an cEDV sensor (continuous electrodermal activity) to measure stress via micro-sweating and such.

  • @pinfilm4653
    @pinfilm4653 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    absolutely underrated video, thank you so much for this video !!

  • @dawnshea8649
    @dawnshea8649 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    When WHOOP was first described to me, I had the exact same conclusion as you and your friend. Sorry you were out all that $, but thanks for giving us the data. Great break down!

  • @bastikuhn
    @bastikuhn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    About the accuracy of the Whoop, I have used Whoop for almost 3 years now. Also, I always used a Garmin Fenix Next to it, and have the HRM Pro from Garmin. Garmin on the Wrist, and Whoop on the wrist are both off. But when I put the Whoop into the Pants or on the upper Arm, the measurements of Whoop and the HRM Pro only differ by around 3bmp on average and are simular to each other. So when I don't feel like wanting to wear the HRM Pro, for example on MTB tours, I connect the Fenix to the Whoop which I have usually in the Pants and trust the results. To be honest, I have used whoop so long now, that I can predict when I gone have a green, yellow or red recovery. I only just use it, since I still have credits until end of 2026 and hoping for some cooler Updates until then. The Strength trainer is useless as it is, the breathing stuff hidden away in the app, and I actually like the new Garmin since the Update way more than the Whoop app.

  • @niles_stone2540
    @niles_stone2540 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Same experience with the inconsistent feedback and inconsistent hr data. Thanks for the video.

  • @king7338
    @king7338 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I disagree with your experience. Whoop has been a god send for me over the past 6 months.
    In terms of your recovery and strain correlation have you considered that there could be other variables?

  • @sheriflouistheresanguyen6953
    @sheriflouistheresanguyen6953 หลายเดือนก่อน

    did you test wearing the whoop on different parts of your body? if yes, was there any difference?
    they suggest wearing it around your arm for more accurate measurements.

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I didn’t. The reason for that is that you have to buy the straps to go around your arm or chest separately and they’re quite expensive.

  • @loopba
    @loopba 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Think the real value of Whoop is in the community aspects. Guess could be worth it for groups, local clubs, etc if helps improve socialization. I cancelled also, as maybe its worth $5/month for me. Using Apple Watch and Athyletic instead. Also didn’t auto track my naps, and workouts

  • @Ryan-yj4sd
    @Ryan-yj4sd 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Whoop is a marketing company

    • @Larimuss
      @Larimuss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When you spend all your money on marketing notning gets left for yojr product. The software looks pretty though, amd the data graphs look pretty.

    • @codycurnutte9778
      @codycurnutte9778 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      All companies sell ideas and feelings first, products second.

  • @hitsdifferentdrinks
    @hitsdifferentdrinks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome content Trent, keep it up!

  • @Gufolicious
    @Gufolicious 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    incredible review, you deserve 100x your subs.

  • @AndrewG99
    @AndrewG99 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My whoop tracks my heart rate really, really well. I do wear it fairly tight, though, so maybe that is a difference. I wear a chest strap when I am on the bike, and it tracks within 1-2 bpm of the chest strap. Same with a soccer workout.

    • @floz9718
      @floz9718 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I suspect this is the primary reason for all these different reviews. Some say the heart rate is really accurate and some (like this reviewer) report that i'ts tracking very inaccurate. Either some reviewers are simply paid off to give a positive review, the Whoop is very sensitive to different body make ups (Wider wrist, slighly differnt blood vessels or mor/less fat/muscle in the wrist area) or - and this is my guess - the whoop has to be worn really tight to be accurate and if it's slightly looser and can moove during work outs, it spits out nonsense in term sof heart rate data.
      I have no idea though, this is just a guess to explain why the feedback on the heart rate data is so inaccurate. Some people also report more accurate numbers when using the biceps strap.

    • @AndrewG99
      @AndrewG99 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@floz9718 I think you're 100% spot on here.

  • @sammydolezal361
    @sammydolezal361 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You should do a video on Apple Watch! Just curious if it also has the same issues with its health and fitness features

  • @mustishanta
    @mustishanta หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent analysis, gained a subscriber 👍

  • @tirii8502
    @tirii8502 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Can you do a video on the oura ring!

  • @yorgohoebeke
    @yorgohoebeke 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this video!

  • @johanesburg100
    @johanesburg100 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    great review and really interesting to hear your experience. As a garmin user, I really was looking forward to the deeper insights. Initially it seemed really impressive but then I noticed that some activites strain score simply didn't make sense. A slow jog was recorded as a near max-heart rate effort. this was clearly wrong and my garmin epix was reporting a way lower heart rate. The final straw was when walks with my dog were repeatedly registering as a high strain activity. I simply couldn't trust the data and thats where it fell down - all the sophisticated modelling is based on questionable data, which then skews the recommended recovery. I've gone back to just using the garmin epix and taking more notice of the overnight HRV, which seems to be the main factor the whoop uses in determining recovery. Garmin have just added a new sleep coach feature as well which is more realistic in my opinion. It never recommends more than 9 hours sleep. Having tried to get a recommended near 10 hours the whoop recommended once, unless you are a sloth it is never going to happen.

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, this was exactly my experience with the sleep recommendations too. at one point it was recommending like 11 hours of sleep and I would routinely wake up after 7-9 hours of sleep feeling incredibly well rested and recovered.
      I have a Garmin Fenix which is equally awful at estimating my heart rate (without the heart rate strap) but I find it too big and clunky to sleep with, so I’m just not tracking my sleep now.

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      have you found the the Epix heart rate measurements are accurate across a wide range of activities?

    • @johanesburg100
      @johanesburg100 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @trent_would I have found the Epix heart rate accuracy pretty good in general, but saying that I haven't tested it extensively and mainly use for steady state cardio. I have paired my epix with a garmin heart rate strap previously for the best accuracy (I don't usually bother with it though as found the Epix wrist measurement good enough for me). I know Whoop does offer the bicep band which is supposed to be better than wrist placement for accuracy, and maybe that would have improved things but I havent tested it. If Whoop offered compatibility with external heart rate straps too that would definitely keep users happy that want the best possible accuracy, not sure why they don't allow this as an option.

  • @liluliana94
    @liluliana94 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the idea of WHOOP. Being a data nerd myself I love the idea of being able to see what's going on in my body and how that changes over time and what's affecting it. But these sorts of insights mean nothing if the data being collected isn't even accurate or consistent.
    I think I'll hold out for 5.0 and wait to see what the accuracy is like on that and I'll just stick to my pixel watch and fitbit insights for now

  • @gregmattson2238
    @gregmattson2238 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I don't know.. you've got the data guy as far as heart rate goes, my suggestion would be to analyze it rather than give a subjective view? It looks like they correlated quite well just based on the data you gave.
    As far as the correlation of perceived effort vs actual, yes that is going to differ quite a bit between individual and individual, at a macro level there is no way that that measure is going to be completely precise. Personally, I feel that it tracks quite well, with the extremes being a better than the middle.

  • @onceappuonatime
    @onceappuonatime หลายเดือนก่อน

    WHOOPs, you earned a new sub! Thanks for not hyping it up like other youtubers!

    • @cristobalbalenciaga7295
      @cristobalbalenciaga7295 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So you’re thanking him for having a different opinion than others?

  • @GutoAmorim
    @GutoAmorim 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for that! I find all reviews are so LOVE MY WHOOP but don't show proper data. It's an expensive thing to be giving the same data most watch can.

    • @stringtech9538
      @stringtech9538 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      More data in this video - ?v=rlEsoMy-l4w

  • @domenikgerhards7240
    @domenikgerhards7240 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love the beginning of the video :D

  • @Strawberrysh0rtcak323
    @Strawberrysh0rtcak323 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you!

  • @mike8725
    @mike8725 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Polar H10 is the gold standard for heart rate measurement

  • @k.nilsson
    @k.nilsson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video!

  • @lukecresante
    @lukecresante 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pretty important review, the heart rate during workout session was a pretty big flag... Sometimes the best things are a forcing function that help with a behavioral change and it looks like their general UI/approach helps with that. But if you already have a few products (I have Garmin, Oura, Apple Watch) then it seems overkill

  • @BxSquared
    @BxSquared หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you optimize your sleep environment? Bro I suck at sleeping and medical school is killing it…

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      1. I only read or listen to audiobooks for an hour before I sleep.
      2. I sleep with a fan in the summer to keep my sleep environment cool.
      3. I sleep in a room with now windows. a blackout curtain would have the same effect.
      4. I don’t drink coffee past 11AM.
      5. I sleep with an eye mask, for when my wife is watching stuff on her iPad.
      6. I go to bed and wake up around the same time every day. Sleep consistency helps improve sleep quality.

  • @starcevda
    @starcevda หลายเดือนก่อน

    The absolute numbers don’t really matter as long as this thing makes you more attentive towards your health related habits

  • @kevinjloder
    @kevinjloder 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah its a bit weird that its giving turmeric such a negative impact score

  • @amaoletsgo5055
    @amaoletsgo5055 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just like how business stakeholders get hyped on data visualization rather than how caveats underneath.

  • @PatrickBateman12420
    @PatrickBateman12420 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, what an awesome (data) science based video!

  • @scaevola4471
    @scaevola4471 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, immediately on seeing the ad for it i thought that there was no conceivable way it would work the way they want it to / advertised

  • @donpeleas4780
    @donpeleas4780 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    totally agree! what is even more crazy is the amount of money they're asking for it, if you use it for 3 years u will be paying like $1000. A huawei band 8 will give you more for less than $100

  • @SuperGenericUser
    @SuperGenericUser 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whoop whoop, another Trent video! 🎉

  • @ttk6811
    @ttk6811 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. Was looking for a synopsis from some educated people. Plus that monthly sub is a scammmmmm. Thanks man!

    • @ttk6811
      @ttk6811 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also do you have a recommendation of a wearable that’s better than woop?

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like I said at the very end, I think the best you can do to get accurate heart rate data at a reasonable cost is getting a heart rate monitor and wearing that during your workouts.
      I'll try some experiments with other wearables this year and see if I can find one that I truly recommend though.

  • @derluizfelipe
    @derluizfelipe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you, thank you, and one more time: thank you! For more videos that are not sponsored and marketing our minds.

  • @samuelgeorge7090
    @samuelgeorge7090 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm using Whoop for a month free trial and once it arrived they got me with the whole 'the first month is for calibration', so I decides I'd use it for a couple of months, mainly because as said in this good video, it's fun to look at stats. But it's common sense to take it all with a pinch of salt. We are not in an information age sci-fi movie, wristwatch technology for measuring physical recovery performance is crude at best, at worst total snake-tech.
    Common sense, checking in, mindfulness, fatigue, performance. Whoop outsources all of that.

  • @MusicxFreakCoB
    @MusicxFreakCoB 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome video. Don't understand, why you only have 911 Subs. Anyway, its 912 now. 👍

  • @rafaellara9264
    @rafaellara9264 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video bro

  • @Mabelstarot
    @Mabelstarot 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you! I keep my Apple watch ❤

  • @Larimuss
    @Larimuss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think its very very common the whoop starts off extremly inaccurate and useless then levels off. Really the only thing it offers is sleep tracker. Too much inaccuracies make the data almost useless.. the sad thing is you dont know exactly how and when its innacurete.

  • @dennisstepanek2567
    @dennisstepanek2567 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i've had Whoop about six months and I just couldn't believe how it measured my heartbeat during any activity. I run, strength training and bike ride and couldn't believe the garbage heart data i was getting. Whoop's strain is totally useless and forget about using chest strap. Sorry Whoop is a total garbage. The only nice thing about Whoop is that it has awesome app, but totally useless optical sensor to but in quality hr data. And pay for this every month is totally throwing the money out of the window.

  • @SpiKrishPri
    @SpiKrishPri หลายเดือนก่อน

    So people would look Whoop mesures for years still trying to decipher what they mean.

  • @hammamonteiro
    @hammamonteiro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Problem is, you forgot to measure your poop. That's the main metric to watch out for

  • @silv3rArrow
    @silv3rArrow 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So we can assume it's a subscription model for inaccurate data? Great:/

  • @scottwiggans6292
    @scottwiggans6292 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Don’t think this is fair I’ve used a garmin on left hand and whoop on right and there basically identical

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting. I compared the Garmin heart rate monitor to my WHOOP strap in the video. But I've compared my Garmin watch (without the heart rate strap) to the WHOOP and I found that they were super dissimilar in my heart rate trends (both were about equally inaccurate).

  • @guyboycecam1636
    @guyboycecam1636 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had exactly the same, it was ideal for me but was way too inaccurate

  • @timl5960
    @timl5960 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Comparing a chest strap to a wrist band for HR is wild.

  • @davidstark8734
    @davidstark8734 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why is he saying "wup" tho 😢😂

  • @billbraski
    @billbraski หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whoop changes my life. Things spot on as far as my experience. Matched to a chest hr strap and a garmin. They are all pretty close measures.

  • @hugelevin
    @hugelevin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You're just wearing it too low and too lose.

  • @FunkZoneFitness
    @FunkZoneFitness 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, but this isn’t how HRV data works

    • @KochKocak
      @KochKocak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You familiar with HRV?

    • @FunkZoneFitness
      @FunkZoneFitness 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KochKocak very

  • @chrisdilallo
    @chrisdilallo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wups

  • @axelkidd9850
    @axelkidd9850 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Today 3,4k views and only 97 likes (with mine). I guess people already subscribed to Whoop or are willing to believe the commercial joke

  • @benevolent1115
    @benevolent1115 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You talk about variables yet try to disprove the whole device by attempting to show the lack of correlation between Strain Target & Recovery and attempt to suggest that the only variable in the Recovery number is how far you were from the optimal Strain Target

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The correlation between Strain Target and Recovery is one of multiple attributes of the WHOOP that I look at in this video and not at all my primary reason for distrusting WHOOP.
      This lack of correlation is a downstream effect of the root cause of WHOOP's uselessness: the hardware's measurement of heart rate is so inaccurate, that any recommendations coming from this are as good as garbage.
      That's why I recommend switching to a heart rate strap at the end of the video.

  • @GeraldGrande
    @GeraldGrande 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your whoop is loose … it’s not suppose to be 100% accurate … it’s a gauge for people that actually need it n have very little to no clue about the fitness parameters… question… does this not help in anything ?

    • @trent_would
      @trent_would  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think the WHOOP could be useful for someone who is primarily interested in improving their sleep and wants to track improvements over time. The sleep recommendations can be inaccurate (see Johannesburg100’s comment) but, as far as I can tell, their sleep measurements are fairly accurate.

  • @troybutler7732
    @troybutler7732 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah the heart rate can be gamed in my experience (4 year user). I can stand and do a running/upward punching motion with my arms for 2 min and my heart rate will get to 180. 5 min and I can get to 200. I stop and barely feel like I've done anything, not out of breath at all. BUT I do love it for sleeping and overall accountability. Any other wearable recommendations would be appreciated!!