How to fix the slashing steel emperor napoleon penguin? Lean fully into the motif! 1. Swap sp.atk and atk further move points from sp. Atk to defence or atk 2. Keep defiant (defiant proud penguin) and torrent because it is a starter 3. Add either mirror armor, clear body, filter(weakens super effective moves like rhyperior) or supreme overlord(fellow defiant king). And now give it a better unique move. Leaning into steel bird with steel feathers. Give it a move let's call it kingly roost(better name pending) but with 5 PP or just a little more or even less. It does the following. 1. Like roost it restores health. 2. Steel feather roost? Make it lose steel typing for a turn just like roost sheds flying type for a turn 3. Unlike roost it is a very weak attacking move and not a status move that does like 30 base damage to both opponents 4. can also give it a small chance to lay spikes if you want it to be broken You now have a mon that leans into proud napoleon slashing steel penguin with unique niches. 1. Good offensive or positioning ability. 2. Unique recovery move that cant be taunted that also sheds steel type and its resists. Offering a good defensive play but also makes it a juicy target. 4. Can be fully defensive, tanky, stall, setup sweeper, trick room, wall breaker, choice user and finally an assault vest user. Is it a little broken? Yes! is it archaludon broken ? Nope. Does it fit the design and targeted idea? Absolutely IMO
For 2 gens in a row GameFreak decided to design 3 physical starters and then decide that one of them had to be a special attacker, leading the one unlucky enough to get chosen to just be worse for it
100% agreed. Visually and lore wise they should be physical attackers. But because their only good offensive stat is Sp. Atk, instead of nerfing them and increase their physical atk stat, they just force them to be special attackers.
Right? They should've just given it Blaziken's stats. Let people run him the way they want. And at that point, just give it Slush Rush or Swift Swim, instead of Blaziken's Speed Boost.
Swampert needed regenerator, but got damp instead. The greatesthidden ability injustice to date. Imagine regenerator swampert with access to recover. It's a mudskipper axolotl hybrid, let the man regenerate. I want to see him yawning opponents and getting all his HP back. The man would be a bulky menace.
Empoleon and Samurott were both done so dirty. Empoleon gets a vast physical movepool and bad physical stats. Samurott gets a good physical movepool, but no secondary type to help it like the thematically appropriate fighting type, and still have a higher special attack for some reason. It stinks, since they're absolutely two of the coolest starters out there
Thank god Hisuian Samurott exists to fix all the problems that Regular Samurott have battle-wise (sounds more like replacing it but that's what good regional forms do)
@@starstorm1267 ....Why ISN'T Samurott a Water/Fighting? It's in the same generation that has Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion and Keldeo! Emboar could have just stayed as a mono fire type, or if they insisted on having it be a duel type it could have been a Fire/Dark because visually it would look the part.
Samurott should just get Sharpness as an HA like its Hisuian variant. That way, it gets boosted Aqua Cutter/Razor Shell to make better use of its currently mediocre 100 base Attack and also gets pseudo-STAB from moves like Sacred Sword without needing to actually change its type and type matchups. And if they want to make it more distinct from its Hisuian counterpart instead of having it be pretty much a weaker variant, they can give it Bulk Up and maybe Slack Off (Skeledirge and Infernape get it, so why not?) to focus in on its better bulk and defensive typing. Or they can introduce better special moves that pair with Sharpness, so it can then benefit with more moves than just Air Slash.
@starstorm1267 You made me think of something. What if Gamefreak made Emboar into a Fire/Ground type instead Fire/Fighting type? You know, since pigs love to wallow in the mud?
Don’t forget Empoleon won Worlds once, making it one of the only starters do to so, along with Rillaboom and Incineroar, and it being the first starter to do so. In addition to this, Empoleon was part of the first 6 pokemon to ever win worlds, along with Toxicroak, Metagross, Ludicolo, Salamence, and Snorlax.
Same as close combat. It makes thematically sense to give empoleon SD. Said so, why doesnt every physical attacker get close combat. That is afterall what they all do
@leandrocesar5207 basically everything lost scald, it makes sense for Empoleon to not learn it anyway since it's a penguin and no Water/Ice mons learn Scald, while Empoleon isn't Ice it's still an arctic animal
Two thing I find stupid, is, the •lose of transfer moves... • a pokemon not being to learn a move that was to learn in previous gen. It's a Professional swimmer over 20 years after not swiming forgets how to swim, and can't learn how to swim again even though he/she more than Capable too.
Empoleon for sure. Revolves around napoleon bonaparte who was an overlord. Always depicted as commanding over underling pokemon as well. I dont thinl samurai is a good pick tho cause they arwnt typically ruling over others, they are normally an independent or allied faction to others.
@@hanswnjohnson2536 not even slightly. Both have middling attacking stats (one has arguably BAD physical attacking stats) and the boost only gets up to 1.5x damage on Pokemon with low speed, decent defence to bad defences and weak priority. It wouldnt even be better than competitive empoleon
@@Trixster009My comment will either age like milk or wine but mark my words; Regional Chikorita as a starter in Legends ZA, possibly being a fairy type and the trio having fairy/steel/dragon "perfect" secondary typings.
Empoleon deserves better. Even with the gen 9 buffs he’s not doing well because of what it lost. It deserves justice. I don’t think it should change type because it’s the only water/steel type and that would take away something unique to it but it definitely should get scald back at least.
@@cabrondemente1theirs so many questionable decisions in this franchise fella. Applying arbitrary limitations to it just because it “doesn’t make sense” is silly.
Piplup is the cutest out there, slightly cuter than Torchic even. And it's the Club Penguin evolution line, I love them so much. Also in the Diamond & Pearl anime when Dawn's Piplup learnt to use Hydro Pump, it was the cutest and also scariest thing ever because unlike bigger mons, Piplup can't open its tiny baby beak to shoot a beam of water so it literally created a void/vortex in front of its mouth which then shot the massive hydro beam. It felt as if this little baby penguin just summoned a beam of water from a different dimension itself 😭
Empoleon was still pretty good though. In Singles at least it dropped from OU to UU in Gen 5 and stayed there doing a good job until Gen 9 came along with its huge powercreep pushing it down to RU
being ranked in ru is definitely not a bad thing in sv, sv has seen the craziest powercreep, it’s still doing better than torterra & infernape (both nu)
@@Brandon.thebabytbh infernape can still work in higher tiers too the problem is its hidden ability isn’t that good ether and it being a mixed attacker isn’t doing much for it kinda wish it got a new ability too because iron fist is just a meh ability but infernape used to be insane in gen 4 and 5 ou next generation is gonna have a lot of pokemon nerfs anyways to make up for the substantial power creep
@@christianftt3136 infernape can still do stuff, it’s just empoleon will always be more useful. having an INSANE typing, solid bulk & a crazy utility movepool will always trumph a frail/ powercrept attacker
@@Brandon.thebaby I completely agree but I do think infernape can definitely carve out a niche easier then empoleon sometimes but empoleon typing is just so good that it helps him tremendously really wish the sinnoh starters had gotten megas wouldve helped them a lot cause power creep is just too significant currently would’ve loved to see mega blaziken 2.0 and a mega empoleon
@@christianftt3136 yeah, powercreep is CRAZY these days, but i heard lots of speculations that piplup was gonna be one of the starters in legends za, so maybe mega empoleon will be a thing? we’ll see 🤝🏼
Too bad the best moves are physical and Empoleon has terrible physical stats. The fact that most fire starters are fighting type means he drops to a single close combat.
11:51 literally none of these are signature moves, even in Legends Arceus. Ursaluna can learn Headlong Rush, Hisuian Arcanine can learn Raging Fury, and Basculin+Basculegion can learn Wave Crash. In fact, in order to beat the game, you NEED to battle against a Hisuian Arcanine with Raging Fury AND make your own Basculin repeatedly use Wave Crash to take recoil damage in order to evolve it. You've disproven this claim yourself
I think he means that they are the ones associated with the moves the most as they all seem to be referencing the sinnoh starters with the moves, raging fury sounds like infernaoe, wave crash sounds like empoleon and headlong rush sounds like Torterra
@@kingkmtso5107 they literally aren't, the associations with Arcanine and Basculegion are much much more heavily enforced. Basculin evolves specifically by taking tons of recoil damage, you NEED to use Wave Crash on it several times. A Hisuian Arcanine with Raging Fury is not only a boss but the boss that started ramping up the difficulty of the noble battles. The Sinnoh starters are just off in the middle of nowhere and you can just catch them and store them away forever, you aren't even gonna know they CAN learn it unless you either A: used them on your team or B: looked it up
They're still off signature moves by only one. Each one of the other mons that can learn them were new arrivals to the series at the time, and were the _only_ other mons that could learn those moves (as in, each move could only be learned by 2 evo lines at that point). It's clear that they were all new 120 bp moves made at least partially to give the Sinnoh starter trio stronger STAB options, and are even learned at level 57 by both Empoleon and Torterra (with Infernape's level 57 move being its classic 120 bp STAB in Close Combat instead). So while I disagree with the video due to it outright being wrong - the Sinnoh starters _aren't_ the only ones to learn it by level up in P:LA - I also disagree with ignoring the clear ties they have to the Sinnoh starter trio.
A german youtuber who won a lot of competitive pokemon tournaments here used Empoleon alot, its typing is nice and its is versatile, Walling fairys with assault vest or wrecking havoc with choice specs. You never know
Empoleon was okay for its featured region as it’s typing allowed many resistances but it’s movepool was generally ass (doesn’t learn a decent water type move until prinplup’s late 20’s) and even then it’s level up moves went against its generic sp.atk build with PHYSICAL moves! This could be improved by having it learn moves such as gust,flash cannon and air slash (WHICH IS AN ILLEGAL MOVE FOR SOME REASON!). Sneaking in aurora beam would help too
being weak to the most common offensive types is the drawback of ALL steel types. It's also the reason those types are the most common offensive types. Resisting more than half the game is absolutely worth 3 weaknesses, the steel type is stellar. Empoleon also has the strongest competitive history of gen 4 starters, it's never been a bad pokemon. Infernape hit NU and empoleon has never even touched that tier
Torterra threatens both of its fellow starters with ground type moves. Infernape threatens both its fellow starters with fire type for torterra and fighting for empoleon. Empoleon threatens both its fellow starters with water moves for empoleon, and… well it’s not STAB, but it can make use of torterra’s 4x weakness to ice types.
@themister.s-1st empoleon should have gotten sturdy when hit by close combat he at least would have survived then a water move. Similarly hit by earthquake from torterra would have survived then a strong icebeam.
Diamond was the first pokemon game I ever owned and played front to back, and I chose Piplup as my starter because I thought Empoleon looked SICK AF when I was a kid, but I very specifically remember all of his moves being just bad. I even got the Diamond and Pearl Guide Book from my local library and found that he didnt learn anything special, and especially not Ice Type moves, which I thought was completely backwards given that he's literally a Penguin Pokemon!!!! For that, I was like "I'm going to make Empoleon have the moves God intended!!!" And hunted down the TMs for Blizzard and Ice Beam, and then also give him Surf and Cut, and then I had my ultimate build Empoleon. I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought Empoleon's move set was ass 😂😂😂
GameFreak just be pulling hidden abilities and stats out of hats for these starters. I think every starter should be viable in competitive and not just the furries. Incin, Cinder, Meow are all viable in comp, but thats it
1:57 I tried to make a Mist team once! I theorycrafted this whole thing with a bunch of pokemon that knew moves like Shell Smash and Draco Meteor and abilities like Weak Armor so I could negate the stat drops under Mist and spam them with impunity. I had at least a couple of them bred before I found out that Mist doesn’t affect self-inflicted stat drops. Nobody uses Mist.
Since gen5 Empoleon is UU, and dropped to RU only in gen9. This is impressive, considering the progressive power creep included in every new gen. This makes Empoleon one of the best water type starters, after Samurott-H, Primarina, Greninja, and arguably Quaquaval and Blastoise
I will never forget empoleon’s gen IV strat of sub, agility, surf, grass knot/ice beam/flash cannon with a liechi berry. Sweeping with this strategy is a memory forever engrained in my brain so I can never be disappointed with empoleon for it.
Do you know what would have worked? Flipping the offensive stats. Let it use defiant and the moves GF were so desperate to bestow upon it. And being a starter built around the wrong stat pre split could have celebrated the milestone nicely
How did you make a 14 minute video and not mention Agility, sand immunity, or Rocks resist. The movepool thing is probably just a way to balance a pokemon that takes half damage from everything for half of the game.
i dont think the YTer plays competitive, it seems like he’s really only talking about play throughs? bc support/ utility empoleon has been historically AMAZING in competitive
@@Brandon.thebaby it's more of the fact that being a water type having super effective attacks against ground is now meaningless if your slower than said ground type. And Empoleon is normally speed tied with most ground types. Plus you know most fire starters are fighting and faster as well... And Empoleon isn't physically bulky enough. It's just unfortunate
Empoleon's buffs may be confusing, but at least it has good stats and was viable for longer. Sceptile on the other hand never stood a chance. Sceptile does no one thing right. It's a walking identity crisis. What's that? You want a Hidden ability? Let's make it one that boosts your already crazy-high speed that you can't use properly. High special attack stat? Let's make your only useful moves physical. Acrobatics can combo with Unburden? Too bad, it's also a physical move. Like... how the hell are you supposed to use this thing..? It's like they threw darts at a board and called it a day.
While yes sceptile and empoleon comparing their designs to their stats are very confusing with even me wishing for at least sceptile to get a attack stat swap. They at least can be good(talking mostly about empoleon) with each of their attack stat, unlike the most confusing stats of all starters being samurott and it mess up stats. Samurott has design(a samurai) that doesn't match up with it's attack stat(having higher special attack than attack), it's bulk(which is pretty underwhelming), it's typing(no fighting type 🤨), and it's lack of sword&slash moves( like x-scissor, cross chop, psycho cut, and sacred sword). It like the designers made it's stats with out looking at it's design. Hopefully, you can make a video on samurott because that pokemon has the worst case of confusing design in it's play style.
@@poppyfrancis7338 He'd probably come up with the most batshit insane lie you've ever heard to try and say it is. He was dead certain that mega evolution was in scarlet and violet when he played it and called the pokemon company's own website wrong while also insulting smogon in the same sentance
I have been having a lot of success recently with empoleon in draft leagues. I used the gen 4 sub agility petaya torrent set (which was an actual competitive set back then) and it still works even in gen 9 with all the crazy new mons. I've gotten off 6-0 sweeps even in the semifinals of a league with it 😀 Funnily though, the main reason it did so well was because i also drafted chi yu that season, which baited in spdef walls. Because of this i could use ruination or spam specs fire blast on bulky water types which are the main check to empoleon trying to sweep with +1 torrent boosted surf and ice beam By the time empoleon came out, there was nothing left that wouldn't get ohko'd and most people think of it as a defensive piece so it doesn't struggle to find the time to click agility, especially because it's typing and bulk lets it switch in pretty easily.
They should've switched Empoleon's Atk/SpA and made a move specifically for it like they kind of did with the other two starters (Wood Hammer/Close Combat), they could've made something like a 100BP steel type attack and called it "Steel Bade".
Nintendo: "So, we gonna fix every single Water type learning the equivalent the best Fire, Electric, and Ice TMs in the game?" "What if we just made the Water starter confusing and contradictory?" "...Brilliant."
Empoleon is my favorite pokémon since forever and this video talks to my soul. I never understood why defiant, and why all the physical moves, meanwhile he barely got anything new on the special side since DP. They gave him Scald, just to remove it a few generations later... Being an Empoleon fan is true pain
Honestly, the Steel typing did more harm than good for Empoleon on a much deeper level, especially because Steel resists Grass, that means it still got to be weak to Torterra regardless (Meaning Torterra could only be Ground or Fighting type anyways). Add this to Infernape gaing the Fighting type (Which honestly, did it really need it) and it was always at a disadvantage, even if its stats and movepool were better, because Infernape was faster and had a priority move in Mach Punch. I feel like in gen 4, Gamefreak didn't actually know what to do with Empoleon typing wise anymore. It would have made so much more sense if it was Water/Ice type instead, especially since then it would have retained its Grass weakness anyways, so Torterra wasn't forced into the Ground typing (It probably still would have been Ground typing regardless, because of its inspiration) + Sinnoh being the coldest region in existence and Piplup/Empoleon being based on Penguins.
Infernape needs to be a Fighting type, its design and parts of its inspirations scream Fighting type alongside Fire. Also most of its Pokedex entries are about its martial art.
competitively speaking, it’s really used more as a defensive steel type, which the water typing actually helps, since it neutralizes the fire weakness & adds a water resist, it’s more of a special wall anyway, so the ground & fighting weaknesses dont really matter since those are primarily physical types. if it was given water/ice, it may actually be the worst starter of all time
@Brandon.thebaby I think Meganium would still be the worst starter of all time in comp if Empoleon was Water/Ice (at least Empoleon has redeeming qualities like a good statspread, a nice movepool). But Empoleon might be the worst Sinnoh Starter if anything (and even then, gen9 reworks Hail by replacing it with Snow, which acts like Sand but gives a defense boost to Ice types but without chip damage so Water/Ice Empoleon could get a shot).
I know it's not just me but when I first got introduced to the Gen 4 Empoleon was the starter that caught my eye and ever since then I love the penguin
i reallly dont know why they didnt just swap its attack and spa. attack stats since it's very clear that they wanted it to be a physical attacker with its movepool, ability, and aqua jet being learned when it evolves (making it feel like a signature move). They continued to do it and then gave it Competitive in gen 9 even though it even looks like a physical attacker with it's giant mental wings. It's also my favorite pokemon :(
Aren’t the Gen 3 Starters all weak against each other. Infernape has a Water and Ground weakness and Empoleon a Fighting and Ground weakness. The only exception is Torterra with the fire but no steel weakness, but Empoleon can at least learn some good Ice-Moves via TM like Ice Beam and Blizzard. Or am I missing something? 😅
Fun fact empoleon's height of 5'7 was pretty standard for penguins for much of the time since they evolved as they have historically been giants over 2 metres in height.
Gen 2: Makes meganium as a grass supporter of the element trio. Game freak ruins her cool design (call me biased but bayleef looks far cooler than meganium), doesn't give her optimal tank stats to be a support, and doesn't give her dual typing for coverage. What do you mean you're a pure grass type and don't gain access to spore but you can learn poison powder? Gen 3: Makes sceptile as a grass attacker of the elemental trio with a super cool design. Game freaks gives sceptile mid base attack and a solid sp. atk. stat (85 atk vs 106 sp atk), it doesn't sound as bad until you look at sceptile's move pool and realize it has access a lot of great physical moves (swords dance, dragon dance, outrage, leaf blade and so on). Gen 4: Makes empoleon as water/steel. Everyone through design assuming empoleon will be a solid special attacker with steel coverage or tanky support. Game freak: Did you mean physical attacker?
Yes but what you havve to consider is that surf is a base 90 100% accurate special water move you are FORCED to have at least one of your mons learn. You also get the flash cannon TM after one of the gyms which is also a powerful special steel move that you get. So its not like you get NO options, its just based on different mechanics to level up. Being that special defensive mons are much more rare than normal defensive... and are not affected by things like burn and intimate, even though the base power is lower, they hit just as hard. The problem is more a lack of special steel moves in general.
yeah Gamefreak had a little streak with messing up water type starters for a while. Empoleon needing the flash cannon TM, Samurott being setup as a SAMURAI, yet having more special attack and a bad physical movepool, which they had to fix over time (Its pretty okay rn, especially with the hidden ability). Then they created Greninja, a pretty good special attacker with a nice movepool that had his signature move be physical in his debut gen, Gamefreak come ON.
…No..? Everyone is also just convinced that Steel type weakness in Fighting, Fire and Ground type is the worst things that will happen to Empoleon even tho the less weakness type water is a menace about good at guarding… I don’t mean to say people shouldn’t think about that and should stop because I do know its true, but its a kids gamee- Empoleon is the most royally cool in looking starter Pokémon in my entire life! Steel is by the look of Empoleon looks buff, so maybe Steel type is just a set up for defence purpose.. from Normal Poison Bug Ghost and more types (steel type aren’t resistant to them anymore after Gen5, sad). If we already know that Empoleon is permanently set up to be this way of weak, then there’s a good reason to pick our boi up and raise them to see how we can do it! Like these reasons listed in this video and many more videos like what we’re watching is Bingo! Absolutely genius. I won’t stop that because I won’t figure that out myself anyway. But somehow making Empoleon less loving? That a nuh uh for me. :( He’s/She’s weak? Make it stronger! I even kept Ember for my Charizard so I won’t kill wild Pokémon I wanna catch easily back then (but of course, would discard that move before entering Indigp League). Give Empoleon more love!!! Edit: 2:06 also the way you point out this fact got me off guard while I was typing this comment 😂
Empoleon had the potential to be good if it was actually given a special-focused movepool, or had actually good physical stats. But they chose to make it "special" as in disabled instead.
Hope you enjoyed! :) ^^ Are there any other Pokemon you'd like me to make videos like this on?
How to fix the slashing steel emperor napoleon penguin? Lean fully into the motif!
1. Swap sp.atk and atk further move points from sp. Atk to defence or atk
2. Keep defiant (defiant proud penguin) and torrent because it is a starter
3. Add either mirror armor, clear body, filter(weakens super effective moves like rhyperior) or supreme overlord(fellow defiant king).
And now give it a better unique move. Leaning into steel bird with steel feathers. Give it a move let's call it kingly roost(better name pending) but with 5 PP or just a little more or even less. It does the following.
1. Like roost it restores health.
2. Steel feather roost? Make it lose steel typing for a turn just like roost sheds flying type for a turn
3. Unlike roost it is a very weak attacking move and not a status move that does like 30 base damage to both opponents
4. can also give it a small chance to lay spikes if you want it to be broken
You now have a mon that leans into proud napoleon slashing steel penguin with unique niches.
1. Good offensive or positioning ability.
2. Unique recovery move that cant be taunted that also sheds steel type and its resists. Offering a good defensive play but also makes it a juicy target.
4. Can be fully defensive, tanky, stall, setup sweeper, trick room, wall breaker, choice user and finally an assault vest user.
Is it a little broken? Yes! is it archaludon broken ? Nope. Does it fit the design and targeted idea? Absolutely IMO
How Zamezentq went from one of the worst competitive Pokémon to winning a tournament by WolfeVGC but in your style
Empoleon best starter fight me
Sheesh. With all of these physical moves, GameFreak basically treated Empoleon the same way they did with Sceptile.
For 2 gens in a row GameFreak decided to design 3 physical starters and then decide that one of them had to be a special attacker, leading the one unlucky enough to get chosen to just be worse for it
100% agreed. Visually and lore wise they should be physical attackers. But because their only good offensive stat is Sp. Atk, instead of nerfing them and increase their physical atk stat, they just force them to be special attackers.
But Empoleon gets Swords Dance without even needing a tm for it.
Right?
They should've just given it Blaziken's stats. Let people run him the way they want.
And at that point, just give it Slush Rush or Swift Swim, instead of Blaziken's Speed Boost.
@@GameBreaker1055I'm pretty sure Infernape can be ran as special.
Turns out the whole time, game freak was mistakenly sending the buffs intended for Swampert to Empoleon
Yeah that's insane, they both need buffs
Not the first time. Namcos also mistakingly sent a Pokken invitational letter to Emplemon that was supposed to be for Swampert.
Imagine Mega Swampert in NatDex with Wave Crash
@@goGothitaLOL that be insane
Swampert needed regenerator, but got damp instead. The greatesthidden ability injustice to date.
Imagine regenerator swampert with access to recover. It's a mudskipper axolotl hybrid, let the man regenerate.
I want to see him yawning opponents and getting all his HP back. The man would be a bulky menace.
never knew it struggled this much, poor club penguin 😔
How is this released 1 day ago when the video was released 35 minutes ago
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Torterra: "hi!"
Empoleon and Samurott were both done so dirty. Empoleon gets a vast physical movepool and bad physical stats. Samurott gets a good physical movepool, but no secondary type to help it like the thematically appropriate fighting type, and still have a higher special attack for some reason.
It stinks, since they're absolutely two of the coolest starters out there
Thank god Hisuian Samurott exists to fix all the problems that Regular Samurott have battle-wise (sounds more like replacing it but that's what good regional forms do)
Emboar stole Samurott’s Fighting type to become the third Fire/Fighting starter in a row. And that’s why he’s my least favorite Gen5 starter
@@starstorm1267 ....Why ISN'T Samurott a Water/Fighting? It's in the same generation that has Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion and Keldeo! Emboar could have just stayed as a mono fire type, or if they insisted on having it be a duel type it could have been a Fire/Dark because visually it would look the part.
Samurott should just get Sharpness as an HA like its Hisuian variant. That way, it gets boosted Aqua Cutter/Razor Shell to make better use of its currently mediocre 100 base Attack and also gets pseudo-STAB from moves like Sacred Sword without needing to actually change its type and type matchups.
And if they want to make it more distinct from its Hisuian counterpart instead of having it be pretty much a weaker variant, they can give it Bulk Up and maybe Slack Off (Skeledirge and Infernape get it, so why not?) to focus in on its better bulk and defensive typing. Or they can introduce better special moves that pair with Sharpness, so it can then benefit with more moves than just Air Slash.
@starstorm1267 You made me think of something. What if Gamefreak made Emboar into a Fire/Ground type instead Fire/Fighting type? You know, since pigs love to wallow in the mud?
Don’t forget Empoleon won Worlds once, making it one of the only starters do to so, along with Rillaboom and Incineroar, and it being the first starter to do so.
In addition to this, Empoleon was part of the first 6 pokemon to ever win worlds, along with Toxicroak, Metagross, Ludicolo, Salamence, and Snorlax.
Blastoise won Worlds as well. Look up Kosaku Miyamoto
@ That’s the Juniors division. I’m talking about the Masters division because that’s the one people care about the most.
Obviously they gave Empoleon swords dance to pair with hydro pump during contests (only combo you really need to win every contest in gen 4).
Same as close combat. It makes thematically sense to give empoleon SD.
Said so, why doesnt every physical attacker get close combat. That is afterall what they all do
@@ItsJustKayafar combat, mid combat
combat combat
my god even its height is a reference to Napoleon
And then it lost Scald because of equivalent exchange
@leandrocesar5207 basically everything lost scald, it makes sense for Empoleon to not learn it anyway since it's a penguin and no Water/Ice mons learn Scald, while Empoleon isn't Ice it's still an arctic animal
Agreed, thematically it doesn't make sense for a penguin to learn a move that can brew your tea
Can we bring it back or is it some kind of taboo to not do that?
I mean Emboar out of all thing learns scald n vaporeon also does so taking it away from other water pokemon is just stupid imo
Two thing I find stupid, is, the •lose of transfer moves...
• a pokemon not being to learn a move that was to learn in previous gen.
It's a Professional swimmer over 20 years after not swiming forgets how to swim, and can't learn how to swim again even though he/she more than Capable too.
Amazing how Empoleon is STILL the only water/steel type.
game freak: *introduces flash cannon*
*does not give it naturally to lucario or Empoleon*
Imagine Samurout and Empoleon having the hidden ability Supreme Overlord, to match the whole "Samurai" and "Emperor" titles.
Yesssss that would be sick
Empoleon for sure. Revolves around napoleon bonaparte who was an overlord. Always depicted as commanding over underling pokemon as well. I dont thinl samurai is a good pick tho cause they arwnt typically ruling over others, they are normally an independent or allied faction to others.
Dreaming of a Mega Empoleon with that
Dude that would be so Broken
@@hanswnjohnson2536 not even slightly. Both have middling attacking stats (one has arguably BAD physical attacking stats) and the boost only gets up to 1.5x damage on Pokemon with low speed, decent defence to bad defences and weak priority. It wouldnt even be better than competitive empoleon
That Empoleon now has Competitive as Hidden Ability gives me hope that one day Meganium will have Triage
Yay a meganium fan ❤❤❤
For those who don't know, like me, Triage is an ability that's grants priority to healing moves, like Draining Kiss, Giga Drain or Synthesis.
@@Trixster009 meganium genuinely should be able to learn training kisss
@@markmushyguy Meganium was meant for that Fairy typing tbh. Maybe in a regional variant, we'll get it.
@@Trixster009My comment will either age like milk or wine but mark my words;
Regional Chikorita as a starter in Legends ZA, possibly being a fairy type and the trio having fairy/steel/dragon "perfect" secondary typings.
the whirlpool thing is so true that move has 15 base power in the game and 150 in the show
Yeah Dawn's piplup's whirlpool seemed so powerful and was always treated as such.
That blaziken meme was too funny because gamefreak literally was like hey another son goku
Fun fact in pokken Tournament Empoleon is an hm slave:
Cut, Rock Smash, Surf, & Waterfall are it's moves. In animation it's even shown using deodg
While using Aqua Jet
@Sonario648 as it's only non hm move😂
I don’t care, I’m still picking Empoleon.
facts
Napoleon the Empoleon, that was what I named him.
Based
My fave starter 💛
I didn’t know I needed to see empoleon hitting the club penguin dance
i scrolled for this comment because more people need to talk about this
Empoleon deserves better. Even with the gen 9 buffs he’s not doing well because of what it lost.
It deserves justice.
I don’t think it should change type because it’s the only water/steel type and that would take away something unique to it but it definitely should get scald back at least.
It doesn't make sense for an emperor penguin to produce hot water.
How does vaporeon learn it then, alolamola too
@@cabrondemente1theirs so many questionable decisions in this franchise fella. Applying arbitrary limitations to it just because it “doesn’t make sense” is silly.
@@cabrondemente1but it makes sense for it to learn grass knot????
id argue that he’s actually been really good in uu & ru, an ou niche is really difficult for any pokemon in this crazy power crept gen
In the competitive, empoleon was a very solid choice. It has stealth rock and was able to tank and kill the garchomp that was in everybody's team
Piplup is the cutest out there, slightly cuter than Torchic even. And it's the Club Penguin evolution line, I love them so much. Also in the Diamond & Pearl anime when Dawn's Piplup learnt to use Hydro Pump, it was the cutest and also scariest thing ever because unlike bigger mons, Piplup can't open its tiny baby beak to shoot a beam of water so it literally created a void/vortex in front of its mouth which then shot the massive hydro beam. It felt as if this little baby penguin just summoned a beam of water from a different dimension itself 😭
I have witnessed empoleon doing Club penguin and I can say that I had lived life
Empoleon was still pretty good though. In Singles at least it dropped from OU to UU in Gen 5 and stayed there doing a good job until Gen 9 came along with its huge powercreep pushing it down to RU
being ranked in ru is definitely not a bad thing in sv, sv has seen the craziest powercreep, it’s still doing better than torterra & infernape (both nu)
@@Brandon.thebabytbh infernape can still work in higher tiers too the problem is its hidden ability isn’t that good ether and it being a mixed attacker isn’t doing much for it kinda wish it got a new ability too because iron fist is just a meh ability but infernape used to be insane in gen 4 and 5 ou next generation is gonna have a lot of pokemon nerfs anyways to make up for the substantial power creep
@@christianftt3136 infernape can still do stuff, it’s just empoleon will always be more useful. having an INSANE typing, solid bulk & a crazy utility movepool will always trumph a frail/ powercrept attacker
@@Brandon.thebaby I completely agree but I do think infernape can definitely carve out a niche easier then empoleon sometimes but empoleon typing is just so good that it helps him tremendously really wish the sinnoh starters had gotten megas wouldve helped them a lot cause power creep is just too significant currently would’ve loved to see mega blaziken 2.0 and a mega empoleon
@@christianftt3136 yeah, powercreep is CRAZY these days, but i heard lots of speculations that piplup was gonna be one of the starters in legends za, so maybe mega empoleon will be a thing? we’ll see 🤝🏼
empoleon has always been the most unique special wall, always imo its best role throughout every tier it’s been in (my fave pokemon)
Never got into competitive battling in Pokémon but Empoleon is my favourite starter so this got me interested.
Steel / Water is some of the best typing in the game. Considering it worse than mono water shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
Too bad the best moves are physical and Empoleon has terrible physical stats. The fact that most fire starters are fighting type means he drops to a single close combat.
11:51 literally none of these are signature moves, even in Legends Arceus. Ursaluna can learn Headlong Rush, Hisuian Arcanine can learn Raging Fury, and Basculin+Basculegion can learn Wave Crash. In fact, in order to beat the game, you NEED to battle against a Hisuian Arcanine with Raging Fury AND make your own Basculin repeatedly use Wave Crash to take recoil damage in order to evolve it. You've disproven this claim yourself
I think he means that they are the ones associated with the moves the most as they all seem to be referencing the sinnoh starters with the moves, raging fury sounds like infernaoe, wave crash sounds like empoleon and headlong rush sounds like Torterra
@@kingkmtso5107 they literally aren't, the associations with Arcanine and Basculegion are much much more heavily enforced. Basculin evolves specifically by taking tons of recoil damage, you NEED to use Wave Crash on it several times. A Hisuian Arcanine with Raging Fury is not only a boss but the boss that started ramping up the difficulty of the noble battles. The Sinnoh starters are just off in the middle of nowhere and you can just catch them and store them away forever, you aren't even gonna know they CAN learn it unless you either A: used them on your team or B: looked it up
Just one small thing. You don't need to evolve Basculin to beat the game. They just straight up give up a Ride Basculegion.
It also doesn’t help that Infernape doesn’t even use Raging Fury because locking it into a move is catastrophic for it
They're still off signature moves by only one. Each one of the other mons that can learn them were new arrivals to the series at the time, and were the _only_ other mons that could learn those moves (as in, each move could only be learned by 2 evo lines at that point).
It's clear that they were all new 120 bp moves made at least partially to give the Sinnoh starter trio stronger STAB options, and are even learned at level 57 by both Empoleon and Torterra (with Infernape's level 57 move being its classic 120 bp STAB in Close Combat instead).
So while I disagree with the video due to it outright being wrong - the Sinnoh starters _aren't_ the only ones to learn it by level up in P:LA - I also disagree with ignoring the clear ties they have to the Sinnoh starter trio.
A german youtuber who won a lot of competitive pokemon tournaments here used Empoleon alot, its typing is nice and its is versatile, Walling fairys with assault vest or wrecking havoc with choice specs. You never know
Sceptile being a SP ATk with its signature move being leaf blade is a literal crime. Poor Geico
That's okay, Leafeon took over Leaf Blade and gave it purpose 💚
Empoleon was okay for its featured region as it’s typing allowed many resistances but it’s movepool was generally ass (doesn’t learn a decent water type move until prinplup’s late 20’s) and even then it’s level up moves went against its generic sp.atk build with PHYSICAL moves! This could be improved by having it learn moves such as gust,flash cannon and air slash (WHICH IS AN ILLEGAL MOVE FOR SOME REASON!). Sneaking in aurora beam would help too
being weak to the most common offensive types is the drawback of ALL steel types. It's also the reason those types are the most common offensive types. Resisting more than half the game is absolutely worth 3 weaknesses, the steel type is stellar. Empoleon also has the strongest competitive history of gen 4 starters, it's never been a bad pokemon. Infernape hit NU and empoleon has never even touched that tier
00:21 um actually it's a penguin not a chicken 🤓
A penguin is just an arctic chicken
@anarchond no they are not
@anarchond they are birds but they are not chickens
@@cjpisdeadinternallyit’s a chicken mate 🤓
@@malcxm54 empoleon is definitely a penguin g
The Emperor is vulnerable to Torterra (Earthquake) as well as Infernape (Close Combat).
This is….a thing, a disappointing thing.
Torterra threatens both of its fellow starters with ground type moves.
Infernape threatens both its fellow starters with fire type for torterra and fighting for empoleon.
Empoleon threatens both its fellow starters with water moves for empoleon, and… well it’s not STAB, but it can make use of torterra’s 4x weakness to ice types.
Two words...drill peck.
@themister.s-1st empoleon should have gotten sturdy when hit by close combat he at least would have survived then a water move. Similarly hit by earthquake from torterra would have survived then a strong icebeam.
@RePorpoised empoleon is slow, bro he can't hit infernape at all. A close combat, he is dead.
@@RePorpoisedunfortunately empoleom probably dies first
Diamond was the first pokemon game I ever owned and played front to back, and I chose Piplup as my starter because I thought Empoleon looked SICK AF when I was a kid, but I very specifically remember all of his moves being just bad. I even got the Diamond and Pearl Guide Book from my local library and found that he didnt learn anything special, and especially not Ice Type moves, which I thought was completely backwards given that he's literally a Penguin Pokemon!!!! For that, I was like "I'm going to make Empoleon have the moves God intended!!!" And hunted down the TMs for Blizzard and Ice Beam, and then also give him Surf and Cut, and then I had my ultimate build Empoleon.
I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought Empoleon's move set was ass 😂😂😂
Such perfect timing, currently doing a Nuzlocke of “Pokemon Following Platinum” and I love my Empoleon
GameFreak just be pulling hidden abilities and stats out of hats for these starters. I think every starter should be viable in competitive and not just the furries. Incin, Cinder, Meow are all viable in comp, but thats it
Rillaboom
The thumbnail is arguably the funniest thing I’ve ever seen
1:57 I tried to make a Mist team once! I theorycrafted this whole thing with a bunch of pokemon that knew moves like Shell Smash and Draco Meteor and abilities like Weak Armor so I could negate the stat drops under Mist and spam them with impunity. I had at least a couple of them bred before I found out that Mist doesn’t affect self-inflicted stat drops. Nobody uses Mist.
No shot. He's a handsome boy!! Gen 4 is best Gen of Trios.
The fact that Empoleon looks like he's got freaking BLADES AND SPIKES FOR ARMS and can't even use it
9:40 empoleon being like tf totally going to be a whatsapp sticker
Since gen5 Empoleon is UU, and dropped to RU only in gen9. This is impressive, considering the progressive power creep included in every new gen. This makes Empoleon one of the best water type starters, after Samurott-H, Primarina, Greninja, and arguably Quaquaval and Blastoise
not to mention, it’s usually a top utility mon in whatever tier it lands in
I will never forget empoleon’s gen IV strat of sub, agility, surf, grass knot/ice beam/flash cannon with a liechi berry. Sweeping with this strategy is a memory forever engrained in my brain so I can never be disappointed with empoleon for it.
Do you know what would have worked? Flipping the offensive stats.
Let it use defiant and the moves GF were so desperate to bestow upon it. And being a starter built around the wrong stat pre split could have celebrated the milestone nicely
Fun Fact: to yhis day Emploeon is STILL the only Water/Steel type!
Also lol @0:50! 😂
Dhelmise should been one instead of another grass/ghost
At least empoleon is french so fantina could have it
How did you make a 14 minute video and not mention Agility, sand immunity, or Rocks resist. The movepool thing is probably just a way to balance a pokemon that takes half damage from everything for half of the game.
Someone gets it
i dont think the YTer plays competitive, it seems like he’s really only talking about play throughs? bc support/ utility empoleon has been historically AMAZING in competitive
One close combat or earthquake and it's all over.
@@natebug1976 that goes with any pokemon weak to fighting or ground tho (which are most steel types) so its not really fair to say that
@@Brandon.thebaby it's more of the fact that being a water type having super effective attacks against ground is now meaningless if your slower than said ground type. And Empoleon is normally speed tied with most ground types. Plus you know most fire starters are fighting and faster as well... And Empoleon isn't physically bulky enough. It's just unfortunate
Empoleon's buffs may be confusing, but at least it has good stats and was viable for longer. Sceptile on the other hand never stood a chance.
Sceptile does no one thing right. It's a walking identity crisis. What's that? You want a Hidden ability? Let's make it one that boosts your already crazy-high speed that you can't use properly. High special attack stat? Let's make your only useful moves physical. Acrobatics can combo with Unburden? Too bad, it's also a physical move.
Like... how the hell are you supposed to use this thing..?
It's like they threw darts at a board and called it a day.
competitive players understand & appreciate empoleon’s build 💯
Dont forget it’s only grass type too and it’s not Serperior who is superior
Man I loved working on this video.
While yes sceptile and empoleon comparing their designs to their stats are very confusing with even me wishing for at least sceptile to get a attack stat swap. They at least can be good(talking mostly about empoleon) with each of their attack stat, unlike the most confusing stats of all starters being samurott and it mess up stats. Samurott has design(a samurai) that doesn't match up with it's attack stat(having higher special attack than attack), it's bulk(which is pretty underwhelming), it's typing(no fighting type 🤨), and it's lack of sword&slash moves( like x-scissor, cross chop, psycho cut, and sacred sword). It like the designers made it's stats with out looking at it's design.
Hopefully, you can make a video on samurott because that pokemon has the worst case of confusing design in it's play style.
I will definitely keep it in mind! ^^
7:30 put defiant on Torterra, and NOW you're getting somewhere. It uses curse ONCE and has attack up 3 defense up one.
This is not true, defiant does not activate if you or your teammates lower that stat
@@Fishstux ah, dang.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 I get it man, I’ve tried it with plenty defiant moms before I lesrned
Moms? Those sites showing one away from me just 500 metres ahead?@@Fishstux
My problem with Empoleon has always been that, although it's typing is awesome, it's a defensive starter in games that are slow as molasses.
"86 attack isn't bad"
bro YES IT IS
When I was a kid, my older brother would always insist Empoleon was the best starter pokemon ever, way better than my favorite at the time, incineroar
I wonder how your brother feels about its presence in VGC
Wolfey, is that you?
@@cxncxrtmxstxr Nah, my favorite at the moment is Eevee
@@poppyfrancis7338 He'd probably come up with the most batshit insane lie you've ever heard to try and say it is. He was dead certain that mega evolution was in scarlet and violet when he played it and called the pokemon company's own website wrong while also insulting smogon in the same sentance
@@cxncxrtmxstxrTechnically, Incin is Wolfey’s least favourite
i still like empoleon for the many resistances it gains with its steel secondary typing. especially in gen iv, it could be surprisingly tanky!
in my opinion, it’s the most useful special wall (second to blissey)
Blastoise is technically in the same boat.
If you know you know
Yeah, but stat and typing-wise I feel like Empoleon did exactly what Blastoise wanted to be but better.
Shell smash
I have been having a lot of success recently with empoleon in draft leagues. I used the gen 4 sub agility petaya torrent set (which was an actual competitive set back then) and it still works even in gen 9 with all the crazy new mons. I've gotten off 6-0 sweeps even in the semifinals of a league with it 😀
Funnily though, the main reason it did so well was because i also drafted chi yu that season, which baited in spdef walls. Because of this i could use ruination or spam specs fire blast on bulky water types which are the main check to empoleon trying to sweep with +1 torrent boosted surf and ice beam
By the time empoleon came out, there was nothing left that wouldn't get ohko'd and most people think of it as a defensive piece so it doesn't struggle to find the time to click agility, especially because it's typing and bulk lets it switch in pretty easily.
Lool that Club penguin dance 😂 Salute to a classic 🫡
They should've switched Empoleon's Atk/SpA and made a move specifically for it like they kind of did with the other two starters (Wood Hammer/Close Combat), they could've made something like a 100BP steel type attack and called it "Steel Bade".
It can learn steel wing
Empoleon doing the Club Penguin dance just cured my depression
Imagine Empoleon with Lightning Rod ability.. And a moveset of Drill Run, Smart Strike, Icicle Spear, and Liquidation gonna be a banger
0:47 My Boy Blaziken said dont play wit me🤣🤣🤣
Nintendo: "So, we gonna fix every single Water type learning the equivalent the best Fire, Electric, and Ice TMs in the game?" "What if we just made the Water starter confusing and contradictory?" "...Brilliant."
Appreciate the non-mandatory captions 👍
3:14 - ghost??
Iirc in gen 4, steel resisted dark and ghost
What is the name of music playing around 4:00?
Miror b battle from pokemon xd
Bruh what? You haven't played that game. You gotta play Pokémon xd gale of darkness. That's mirror b's theme playing
Empoleon is my favorite pokémon since forever and this video talks to my soul. I never understood why defiant, and why all the physical moves, meanwhile he barely got anything new on the special side since DP. They gave him Scald, just to remove it a few generations later... Being an Empoleon fan is true pain
That thumbnail was personal.
I think they may have forgotten that they made Empoleon a special attacker.
If it had different stats, movepool, typing and abillities. It could have been a average to above average pokemon
Come on i cant be THAT bad
So basically if it was a different Pokemon
0:12 I want that gif 😂😂😂
@@Wabit-b6k yes
it’s definitely not below average when you take into consideration its support/ utility roles, it’s actually a top tier mon in gen 6,7 uu & gen 9 ru
I say that the first gen Pokemons like Venasaur, Blastoise, Charizard, meganium, etc need signature moves
Theorically
This Pokémon is based on Napoléon
So
He's French
You unintentionally made me wanna play mystery dungeon with that bgm 😂
Honestly, the Steel typing did more harm than good for Empoleon on a much deeper level, especially because Steel resists Grass, that means it still got to be weak to Torterra regardless (Meaning Torterra could only be Ground or Fighting type anyways). Add this to Infernape gaing the Fighting type (Which honestly, did it really need it) and it was always at a disadvantage, even if its stats and movepool were better, because Infernape was faster and had a priority move in Mach Punch.
I feel like in gen 4, Gamefreak didn't actually know what to do with Empoleon typing wise anymore. It would have made so much more sense if it was Water/Ice type instead, especially since then it would have retained its Grass weakness anyways, so Torterra wasn't forced into the Ground typing (It probably still would have been Ground typing regardless, because of its inspiration) + Sinnoh being the coldest region in existence and Piplup/Empoleon being based on Penguins.
I wish blastoise got water steel instead, at least its mega
Objection, ice beam
Infernape needs to be a Fighting type, its design and parts of its inspirations scream Fighting type alongside Fire. Also most of its Pokedex entries are about its martial art.
competitively speaking, it’s really used more as a defensive steel type, which the water typing actually helps, since it neutralizes the fire weakness & adds a water resist, it’s more of a special wall anyway, so the ground & fighting weaknesses dont really matter since those are primarily physical types. if it was given water/ice, it may actually be the worst starter of all time
@Brandon.thebaby I think Meganium would still be the worst starter of all time in comp if Empoleon was Water/Ice (at least Empoleon has redeeming qualities like a good statspread, a nice movepool). But Empoleon might be the worst Sinnoh Starter if anything (and even then, gen9 reworks Hail by replacing it with Snow, which acts like Sand but gives a defense boost to Ice types but without chip damage so Water/Ice Empoleon could get a shot).
Nice vid mate
I know it's not just me but when I first got introduced to the Gen 4 Empoleon was the starter that caught my eye and ever since then I love the penguin
Thankfully, Gen 9 made my boy a competitive player-- I mean Pokemon! Pokemon!
I swear almost every trainer had earthquake and kept nuking my empoleon
0:06 Neckbeards at an anime convention
i reallly dont know why they didnt just swap its attack and spa. attack stats since it's very clear that they wanted it to be a physical attacker with its movepool, ability, and aqua jet being learned when it evolves (making it feel like a signature move). They continued to do it and then gave it Competitive in gen 9 even though it even looks like a physical attacker with it's giant mental wings.
It's also my favorite pokemon :(
Aren’t the Gen 3 Starters all weak against each other. Infernape has a Water and Ground weakness and Empoleon a Fighting and Ground weakness. The only exception is Torterra with the fire but no steel weakness, but Empoleon can at least learn some good Ice-Moves via TM like Ice Beam and Blizzard. Or am I missing something? 😅
Fun fact empoleon's height of 5'7 was pretty standard for penguins for much of the time since they evolved as they have historically been giants over 2 metres in height.
Empoleon also shares the same height with Napoleon Bonaparte
The starter signature moves started Gen 3, skipped Gen 4, then came back Gen five onward.
This end up being on two of teams along with Rillaboom. They are just so versatile
Gen 2: Makes meganium as a grass supporter of the element trio. Game freak ruins her cool design (call me biased but bayleef looks far cooler than meganium), doesn't give her optimal tank stats to be a support, and doesn't give her dual typing for coverage. What do you mean you're a pure grass type and don't gain access to spore but you can learn poison powder?
Gen 3: Makes sceptile as a grass attacker of the elemental trio with a super cool design. Game freaks gives sceptile mid base attack and a solid sp. atk. stat (85 atk vs 106 sp atk), it doesn't sound as bad until you look at sceptile's move pool and realize it has access a lot of great physical moves (swords dance, dragon dance, outrage, leaf blade and so on).
Gen 4: Makes empoleon as water/steel. Everyone through design assuming empoleon will be a solid special attacker with steel coverage or tanky support.
Game freak: Did you mean physical attacker?
I need that gif of Empoleon doing the club penguin dance! Where can I find it?
Yes but what you havve to consider is that surf is a base 90 100% accurate special water move you are FORCED to have at least one of your mons learn. You also get the flash cannon TM after one of the gyms which is also a powerful special steel move that you get. So its not like you get NO options, its just based on different mechanics to level up. Being that special defensive mons are much more rare than normal defensive... and are not affected by things like burn and intimate, even though the base power is lower, they hit just as hard. The problem is more a lack of special steel moves in general.
It may have been suboptimal, but Empoleon is my fav Pokemon. Fond memories my my Empoleon vs my cousin’s Rampardos
Music in the video?
Especially the one around 8:12
I didn’t appreciate empoleon until I used it in scarlet as a mix attacker. Steel/water does have its uses for sure
yeah Gamefreak had a little streak with messing up water type starters for a while. Empoleon needing the flash cannon TM, Samurott being setup as a SAMURAI, yet having more special attack and a bad physical movepool, which they had to fix over time (Its pretty okay rn, especially with the hidden ability). Then they created Greninja, a pretty good special attacker with a nice movepool that had his signature move be physical in his debut gen, Gamefreak come ON.
stealth rock and flip turn baby
competitive players rise, i think this vid was made for casual players tho
# Give Empoleon Freeze Dry
The Pokémon mystery dungeon music makes me so happy :’)
Been playing pokemon for 15 years and just learned this dude is naturally a special attacker, what 😶
My favorite starter, and it’s still holds up in competitive. Competitive is such a good ability for it
…No..? Everyone is also just convinced that Steel type weakness in Fighting, Fire and Ground type is the worst things that will happen to Empoleon even tho the less weakness type water is a menace about good at guarding… I don’t mean to say people shouldn’t think about that and should stop because I do know its true,
but its a kids gamee- Empoleon is the most royally cool in looking starter Pokémon in my entire life! Steel is by the look of Empoleon looks buff, so maybe Steel type is just a set up for defence purpose.. from Normal Poison Bug Ghost and more types (steel type aren’t resistant to them anymore after Gen5, sad). If we already know that Empoleon is permanently set up to be this way of weak, then there’s a good reason to pick our boi up and raise them to see how we can do it! Like these reasons listed in this video and many more videos like what we’re watching is Bingo! Absolutely genius. I won’t stop that because I won’t figure that out myself anyway. But somehow making Empoleon less loving? That a nuh uh for me. :( He’s/She’s weak? Make it stronger! I even kept Ember for my Charizard so I won’t kill wild Pokémon I wanna catch easily back then (but of course, would discard that move before entering Indigp League).
Give Empoleon more love!!!
Edit: 2:06 also the way you point out this fact got me off guard while I was typing this comment 😂
this thumbnail is peak
Empoleon not learning a whole lot of steel moves is a problem shared by my favorite Pokemon; Lucario.
Empoleon had the potential to be good if it was actually given a special-focused movepool, or had actually good physical stats. But they chose to make it "special" as in disabled instead.