@JuanGomez-ke5py in gen 8, caterpie gets electroweb. Logic suggests that if you throw a net-like structure at something, you're essentially capturing and trapping it, but if the net is made of electricity, you're obviously electrocuting whatever gets caught inside. If the lion tries to escape, it would be hurting itself at the same time. Plus if the lion does break free alive, caterpie gets runaway as an ability, and should walk out untouched
Also, Meowth broke his teeth when he tried to eat a Magikarp in season one of the animé. A lion probably has a stronger bite force than Team Rocket's Meowth, but still
I was expecting the Cosmog reasoning to be “teleport the lion into space” since we know from the games that teleport can transport more than just the Pokemon themself (ie the trainer to a Pokemon center) and based on Abra’s implementation in Super Smash Bros, this can work on nonwilling targets and would ignore arguments of “it’d also die in space once it teleports up there” based on it being a space-native Pokemon
In the cutscene where Spearow are attacking Lillie, Cosmog's Teleport makes an explosive wave that breaks the wooden bridge planks, so Teleport itself can also be weaponized. Not the strongest, but messing up anything near you & getting away does pretty good against lions.
@@sagacious03 And that wasn't even a Teleport that *succeeded* - Nebby didn't warp away, and you ended up having to be saved from almost-certain death by Tapu Koko.
Happiny can also learn Seismic Toss by Egg Move, which has a name that translates to "Earth Throw", has been described with "Throws the target with enough force to flip the world upside down.", & often shows the target being thrown into space.
@@GeorgeDCowley No moves change description with level anyway. Plus, the power being level-based contradicts both statements (The move's own description.) AND the move's many animations in pretty much every game. (As well as arguably its original name's implied meaning.) Not to mention, levels are an unreliable metric. You can beat a Level 100 Arceus with Focus Sash, Endeavour Quick Attack Rattata, but that doesn't mean its sensible in canon or debating power levels.
@@Thiefthebat Yes, but Newton's Third Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If Object A acts a force upon Object B, then object B will exert an opposite yet equal force upon Object A. For Happiny to throw something that high, it has to both endure & exert the force to do that onto its body. The fact that Happiny can perform the motions to throw something that far & Happiny survives doing that action, means it can exert such forces & apply it in other ways & survive those. Even if you, a real person, is punching the air, punch hard enough & you can hurt yourself because punching exerts force on yourself, too, not just the empty air you're hitting. (The air being displaced exerts force on you, too.)
@@gerald2508tough is an understatement, there's a guy that swims around the entire continent daily in one if the games iirc. and he's not even a special character like a gym leader, he's just a random guy going for his morning swim that just so happens to have the cardio of a demigod
Powerful, but pretty flawed. Battle field will be loud and the sound will only be heard by so many lions. Better for Lapras to use moves like Surf and Blizzard which can be spammed more easily.
There are so many scenarios where the Pokemon win that it's not even worth wasting the time debating with someone who genuinely thinks the lions have a chance.
The people who try to argue that the billion lions have a chance deliberately stack the deck against the Pokemon. Let us not forget that one youtuber who 'simulated' the battle, but treated each lion like a pure-normal type Pyroar, and made the battles 1-on-1 but didn't treat the Pokemon like they were all in one big trainer team. By which I mean the Pokemon couldn't set up for each other, and anytime a Pokemon lost, the next in line would be facing the lion the last one lost to in peak condition.
@@devonm042690 and it would take approximately 66.2 trillion people to fill up the Grand Canyon. if we assume 1 line to be 3 times bigger than a human it takes 22 trillion lions to fill the grand canyon. There is no way anyone believes that one of every pokemon can't destroy 0.005% of the grand canyon
well it really depebds. if we're going off of canonical power levels, yeah, pokemon win easily, but if we're going off of game mechanics theyd have no chance
Brock's Happiny is exceptionally powerful. Most Happiny aren't that strong. But lions still die to Happiny. Happiny can learn Seismic Toss by Egg Move, a move with an original Japanese name that translates to "Earth Throw", has been described with "Throws the target with enough force to flip the world upside down.", & has been shown as throwing foes into space. Wild Pokemon can naturally know Egg Moves, as shown by Hidden Pokemon (OR/AS), Island Scan (S/M), Brilliant Pokemon (Sw/Sh), Pokemon in Pokemon Hideaways (BD/SP), & Wild Terastallized & Tera Raid Pokemon in S/V.
Answer me this... Why would lions attack a sunflower seed? They are carnivores. They would not expend energy to attack a plant, because it gives them no usable nutrients... Additionally, if the plant started firing solar rays at them, they would STILL not attack it, and would instead opt to just _leave_ or move away from it. Lions aren't mindless killers, survival is their first priority. Like, if a plant started shooting stuff at you, what would YOU do? Probably run away from it. I doubt most people's first instinct would be to get closer and attack it. Not to mention, _Budew_ is ALSO a super weak grass-type Baby Pokemon... Yet it is also a _poison type._ Poisonous plants can kill any lion easily. So yes, even the weakest Pokemon would be able to take on 1 billion lions.
Well why would a happiny hurt a lion. They are said to mimic Chansey. And Chansey is probably one of the most morally good Pokémon ever. So I doubt happiny would win against a lion.
Guess what chuckleheads, Lions can't go in the ocean! Wishiwashi can camp them out in the deeper water and shoot them with relentless water guns, and there's NOTHING they could do about it!
For those who have heard of the rod of god theory which is, put simply, “if I launch an iron rod from orbit into a certain position, it will cause a massive explosion due to compressing particles or something (I’m not 100% sure how it works) and make a retrievable and reusable explosive” Magikarp is literally a watered down rod of god weapon.
The explanation is pretty simple. A normal bomb converts Chemical Potential Energy into a high amount of Thermal Energy. A Rod From God does the same thing but uses Gravitational Potential Energy instead.
Lion defenders will nerf Pokémon constantly "No anime" "Pokédex doesn't count" But they lose anyways because of Kyoger, Rayquaza and of course the Dark and Light twins Gyratina and Palkia (I forgot how to spell their names) Because IN THE GAMES ON SCREEN THEY SHOW ABILITIES THAT WOULD WIPE OUT 1 BILLION LIONS
I’m so happy someone is finally standing up for us on the Pokemon side of the debate. You really can’t just explain it away like everything will follow the standard Pokemon battle rules
Something additional to note, the Magikarp one. The mere act of leaping into the air that high. Would obliterate anything in front of it. Including a lion trying to pounce. Pokémon can likely canonically handle that. A lion which is bound by real world physics not so much.
One of every Pokemon vs a billion lions. Groudon uses Precipice Blades, Kyogre uses Origin Pulse, every fire type Pokemon uses Heat Wave, every electric type Pokemon uses Shockwave, every flying type Pokemon uses Hurricane, Mimikyu uses Let's Snuggle Forever one the one lion that miraculously survives all that.
Lions use Lion UFO to abduct the little pokemon and feast upon their flesh Other lions use Lion Nuke to pick off the weaker ones Other other lions use Lion atheism, nullifying all the gods Last lions use Lion Ladder to finish it off with styler Foolproof plan.
It's ridiculous to think that a bunch of lions can be a challenge for Eldrich Gods like ZA HANDO a.k.a Eternatus Eternamax. Or even the most average route pokemon can be a nuclear warfare with moves like Hyper Beam. Just a bunch of Eevees clean at least 1000 lions. And that's if the lions are fast enough.
even metapod can kill lmao sure it cant learn anything by just getting levels but it can learn ELECTROWEB from a TM like bro a lion is not gonna be able to get through an electroweb it will probably fall over and die from getting electrocuted
The whole lion vs Pokemon debate is like if people argue that 1 billion lions could defeat the Z-Fighters. "Iunno, Bruce Lee wouldn't be able to beat a lion, so how is Krillin going to be able to if he's shorter and lighter?" or "Bergamo is a wolf, which are a lot smaller than lions, so each lion would have to be stronger than Bergamo."
Not surprised, I always thought of pokemon as irl animals with powers. It's like pairing humans vs superheroes. Also they're just impossible. You can't have an irl turtle that can squirt infinite water, or as much water as they show in pokemon. Same with all the elements
Lanturn solos a billion lions. Because the funny thing about lanturn, is that if it actually existed... It would instantly collapse into a black hole that's larger than the obserable universe.
@@That_Gamer716 To put it simply, there are several ways of making a black hole. One of the ways you can do it involves concentrating a ton of energy in a really small space. These black holes are reffered to as Kugelblitz. Lanturn's pokedex entry states that the light it emits can be seen 5 kilometers beneath the ocean's surface. For this statement be true, Lanturn would need to emit 10^105 Watts. To put that into perspective, that's move than the amount of energy than the sun will release in it's entire lifetime.
Ghost type alone is enough Use Confuse Ray to make lion attacking each other or sucker punch them Since lion definitely will be normal type and normal type can't hit ghost type 😂
@@Mischievous_MothI think everyone is forgetting that if cosmog wanted to destroy earth, it would just use its weight. Like I know Pokédex entrées are kinda crazy but if we are going but what it says, cosmog literally weights a lot. Like if it finely tuned it’s gravity or special ability to float, it could crush a lion to death, if not a few hundreds
lore: pokemon win easily in game, all at once: pokemon still win (SPREAD MOVES) in game, single battle, each lion and pokemon go one on one, see how many lions each and every pokemon can kill, no items (eg. leppa berries): lions (although theoretically pokemon stand a chance) pokemon win idk what these lion people are on about
Lore: maybe Arceus if in the pokemon world but i dont think he has juristiction of the multiverse any other universe lets hope he has enough PP in game, all at once: you dont know how many the spread move can hit and it sure as shit isint the billion lions, because if it was every time any pokemon uses earthquake or surf or any other move the entire region would be in shambles in game single battles: there isint enough hours in a day to have the amount of battles by the time half of the lions are dead some pokemon would have to have killed 500 thousand lions if not more to even have a chance to break even now a lot of lions will die and even if they win will be because of exaction and spread moves hitting multiple pokemons as well even if not by their own merit lions win
@@anilaisor For Lore, Gardevoir can canonically create blackholes, I don't think the lions will survive that Pokemon Sapphire Pokedex entry Gardevoir has the psychokinetic power to distort the dimensions and create a small black hole. This Pokémon will try to protect its Trainer even at the risk of its own life. Also for lore, if it also includes moves being accurate to their names, then Eruption instantly wins, lions cannot survive a volcano erupting in their face
@@Johnnysonboykidguymale neither can the pokemon as i said they aint wining by their own merit but by the time the black hole or the vulcano killed all the lions pokemon have been long gone lets say gardevoir makes a black hole that she can manage to close so she opens one it kills some lions she closes and moves on by the time she killed a million lions she is exhausted and probably easy prey lets say she makes a black hole she cant control and goes feeding by the time it eats all the lions the pokemon would be dead the lions win by photo finish also Eruption they dont create the vulcano they are the vulcano and sure 100 lions die by the time the pokemon using erupt gets tired, there are many more lions
Cosmog could also drag the lion along in a Teleport and drop it in a volcano or something. (this would also allow it to adhere to the "no outside help" clause that you tacked onto Wishiwashi immediately after having Cosmog summon a random Ultra Beast, btw)
Oh god if you think the lions were cooked against the Pokemon...Digimon it gets even worse, you have things that LOREWISE have to have their power sealed to prevent destroying reality.
@arridueldes9843 let me rephrase that. Digimon is pokémon if most if not all legendaries and mythicals were average and avatar Arceus was high tier. (I don't scale true form and Arceus caps at low complex multi at best)
Magcargo is literally as hot as the sun Lanturn is literally brighter than the sun Camerupt is also a magcargo Solgaleo is the sun Necrozma is all light in a universe
Sunkern can also win with Earth Power, with TM/TR/Tutors (Which Snom needs for Bug Buzz.): "The user makes the ground under the target erupt with power." It specifies ERUPT & animations show actual erupting & magma. Bringing magma to the surface requires crazy power, & any magma will kill a lion anyway. If Sunkern can apply this power level to its moves & survive such levels in regular life, its doubtful a lion is beating it. Also, Cosmog's teleports "explode" in a way that it can break wood, shown in the cutscene early in S/M, so it can "attack" that way, too. Anyway, fun analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I love the thought of an alternate Pokemon reality where a new method of war is sending orbital bombardments of magikarp upon your enemies. Fuck are they gonna do about it?
@@lasercraft32 Or to extremely strong Pokémon, or weapons native to that world. Ogerpon has a kill count of three, and even then, those Lousy Three hooligans didn’t stay dead. And the Veilstone Myth’s swordsman seemed to be slaughtering Starly and Bidoof, and then just got called out by Giratina. Overall, the mortality of Pokémon in the Pokémon world is mostly limited to predation by stronger Pokémon, and even then, the souls don’t stay put for long.
Pokemon do die in battle (it just so happens that the power of science is incredible, and people are capable of bringing pokemon back from the dead). If the pokemon were alive a full restore would work on a fainted pokemon. The only items that allow the revival of pokemon are magic crystals (the revive and max revive items) and the ashes of a phoenix.
you know if this is the type of content I can expect to see from you consistently in the future I’m not too pressed about losing your shorts content this stuff is fun. Keep up the good work.
I see this more as a "What are the weakest Pokémon best chances of beating a lion?" because using every different way to estimate what a Pokémon can do is a bit too easy.
4:33 "Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor!"
I just looked at Latios I think, who was stated to be around super sonic level, and extrapolated the speed stat to that. That means even a speed stat of 10 would have incredible speed faster than a lion.
but the Potential Gravity Energy he obtains caused by his jump height is definitely NOT useless. only the jump wouldn't hurt any lions, but the fall would.
Cosmog doesn't even have to summon an ultrabeast, simply opening a wormhole in the atmosphere would do catastrophic damage to not just a single lion, but the entire planet.
@@XsalingMO Hoopa cannot create universes and bringing in reinforcements goes against the spirit of the question, but it can move Pokémon around to avoid friendly fire.
Are there ANY Pokemon that you think couldn't beat a lion?
Better question is, could a Human beat a Pokemon
Magikarp or feebas probably at level 1. Splash would be all they have and would be easy food for anything with strong teeth
Caterpie
mega mewtwo y because it doesn’t exist anymore
@JuanGomez-ke5py in gen 8, caterpie gets electroweb. Logic suggests that if you throw a net-like structure at something, you're essentially capturing and trapping it, but if the net is made of electricity, you're obviously electrocuting whatever gets caught inside. If the lion tries to escape, it would be hurting itself at the same time. Plus if the lion does break free alive, caterpie gets runaway as an ability, and should walk out untouched
A lion couldn't even hurt Magikarp since in Pokemon Platinum a bunch of average Magikarp survived an explosion that destroyed an entire lake
It can become a missile and survive the impact, so it is a reusable self rocket launcher. A lion ain't beating that.
Was just about to mention that lol, glad to know I'm not the only uber-nerd here :p
Also, Meowth broke his teeth when he tried to eat a Magikarp in season one of the animé. A lion probably has a stronger bite force than Team Rocket's Meowth, but still
Not to mention magikarp can practically fly
It also has hydro pump in Gen 8
I was expecting the Cosmog reasoning to be “teleport the lion into space”
since we know from the games that teleport can transport more than just the Pokemon themself (ie the trainer to a Pokemon center)
and based on Abra’s implementation in Super Smash Bros, this can work on nonwilling targets
and would ignore arguments of “it’d also die in space once it teleports up there” based on it being a space-native Pokemon
I happen to know to lions can survive in space, because 1 billion lions could, theoretically beat the sun in a fight.
But what if one lion is affected instead of all 1 billion..?@@Flywnacki
@@FlywnackiBut this hypothetical lion is alone and lacks the power of friendship
In the cutscene where Spearow are attacking Lillie, Cosmog's Teleport makes an explosive wave that breaks the wooden bridge planks, so Teleport itself can also be weaponized. Not the strongest, but messing up anything near you & getting away does pretty good against lions.
@@sagacious03 And that wasn't even a Teleport that *succeeded* - Nebby didn't warp away, and you ended up having to be saved from almost-certain death by Tapu Koko.
Cosmog is Russian Roulette except there's no empty chamber
The empty chamber is it just teleporting the lion into space
@@DragonTheOneDZAchamber’s still full
I mean space is basically nothing, so it's technically empty.@@Shadowind8634
@@Shadowind8634 the empty chamber is cosmog teleporting away
@@Lego_sun_wukongI mean, Cosmog’s teleport causes an explosion, so that chamber can be full, just with wood instead of metal.
Love how the literal infant Pokemon with an Attack stat of 5 can lift things many times its size XD
Happiny can also learn Seismic Toss by Egg Move, which has a name that translates to "Earth Throw", has been described with "Throws the target with enough force to flip the world upside down.", & often shows the target being thrown into space.
@@sagacious03 Which is its description at level one.
@@GeorgeDCowley No moves change description with level anyway.
Plus, the power being level-based contradicts both statements (The move's own description.) AND the move's many animations in pretty much every game. (As well as arguably its original name's implied meaning.)
Not to mention, levels are an unreliable metric. You can beat a Level 100 Arceus with Focus Sash, Endeavour Quick Attack Rattata, but that doesn't mean its sensible in canon or debating power levels.
It doesn't hurt you directly, you die from the the collision course
@@Thiefthebat Yes, but Newton's Third Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If Object A acts a force upon Object B, then object B will exert an opposite yet equal force upon Object A.
For Happiny to throw something that high, it has to both endure & exert the force to do that onto its body.
The fact that Happiny can perform the motions to throw something that far & Happiny survives doing that action, means it can exert such forces & apply it in other ways & survive those.
Even if you, a real person, is punching the air, punch hard enough & you can hurt yourself because punching exerts force on yourself, too, not just the empty air you're hitting. (The air being displaced exerts force on you, too.)
Cosmog in this video:
"UNDER EXTREME STRESS, WITH THIS TREASURE, I SUMMON. ULTRA NECROZMA"
cosmog backed into a corner 'do ya feel lucky punk well do ya'
*proceeds to evaporate*
I special summon Ultra Necrozma and end my turn
I mean cosmog DID blow up a bridge in the intro cutscene to protect the player… he has more tricks up his sleeve than just the portals
But that was because the bridge was already very fragile, the explosion was weak enough to not damage the protagonist at all
@@manupm9161 Even ignoring the anime, Poké-world humans are very tough.
@@gerald2508tough is an understatement, there's a guy that swims around the entire continent daily in one if the games iirc. and he's not even a special character like a gym leader, he's just a random guy going for his morning swim that just so happens to have the cardio of a demigod
@gerald2508 technically humans are pokemon in the pokemon world. There was a time when they were pretty much one in the same.
@@gerald2508 So we can't powerscale humans to humans? noted.
I love how comparing any pokémon to an irl animal ends up as "nuclear bomb vs coughing baby"
Lapras with perish song. No winners. No survivors.
Whismur?
Lion Headphones
Powerful, but pretty flawed. Battle field will be loud and the sound will only be heard by so many lions. Better for Lapras to use moves like Surf and Blizzard which can be spammed more easily.
soundproof and good as gold be like:
novern as a (imune) signal booster
There are so many scenarios where the Pokemon win that it's not even worth wasting the time debating with someone who genuinely thinks the lions have a chance.
The people who try to argue that the billion lions have a chance deliberately stack the deck against the Pokemon. Let us not forget that one youtuber who 'simulated' the battle, but treated each lion like a pure-normal type Pyroar, and made the battles 1-on-1 but didn't treat the Pokemon like they were all in one big trainer team. By which I mean the Pokemon couldn't set up for each other, and anytime a Pokemon lost, the next in line would be facing the lion the last one lost to in peak condition.
@@devonm042690 and it would take approximately 66.2 trillion people to fill up the Grand Canyon.
if we assume 1 line to be 3 times bigger than a human it takes 22 trillion lions to fill the grand canyon. There is no way anyone believes that one of every pokemon can't destroy 0.005% of the grand canyon
well it really depebds. if we're going off of canonical power levels, yeah, pokemon win easily, but if we're going off of game mechanics theyd have no chance
yeah i mean there's 4 billion spinda, how could you possibly beat that
@@devonm042690 Pokémon defenders will use everything but the actual games to to try win
Brock's Happiny is exceptionally powerful. Most Happiny aren't that strong. But lions still die to Happiny.
Happiny can learn Seismic Toss by Egg Move, a move with an original Japanese name that translates to "Earth Throw", has been described with "Throws the target with enough force to flip the world upside down.", & has been shown as throwing foes into space. Wild Pokemon can naturally know Egg Moves, as shown by Hidden Pokemon (OR/AS), Island Scan (S/M), Brilliant Pokemon (Sw/Sh), Pokemon in Pokemon Hideaways (BD/SP), & Wild Terastallized & Tera Raid Pokemon in S/V.
In other words:don’t mess with iance
Answer me this... Why would lions attack a sunflower seed? They are carnivores. They would not expend energy to attack a plant, because it gives them no usable nutrients... Additionally, if the plant started firing solar rays at them, they would STILL not attack it, and would instead opt to just _leave_ or move away from it. Lions aren't mindless killers, survival is their first priority.
Like, if a plant started shooting stuff at you, what would YOU do? Probably run away from it. I doubt most people's first instinct would be to get closer and attack it.
Not to mention, _Budew_ is ALSO a super weak grass-type Baby Pokemon... Yet it is also a _poison type._ Poisonous plants can kill any lion easily. So yes, even the weakest Pokemon would be able to take on 1 billion lions.
What if you're a vegan?
@@metal_pipe9764 vegan lion..?
Well why would a happiny hurt a lion. They are said to mimic Chansey. And Chansey is probably one of the most morally good Pokémon ever. So I doubt happiny would win against a lion.
@@Zakatakamime Happiny doesn't need to hurt the lion, because all the other Pokemon would do it instead.
@@flarefrog I'm not talking about the lion
Guess what chuckleheads, Lions can't go in the ocean! Wishiwashi can camp them out in the deeper water and shoot them with relentless water guns, and there's NOTHING they could do about it!
They could kill themselves
Lion Warship
@@TheBenchLord Wailord with Clawitzer (any fish would work but why not go for the artillery shrimp).
Or one Sharpedo.
@@gerald2508or one dragalge melting the ship’s hull
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 or a Jellicent that wants safari decor.
For those who have heard of the rod of god theory which is, put simply, “if I launch an iron rod from orbit into a certain position, it will cause a massive explosion due to compressing particles or something (I’m not 100% sure how it works) and make a retrievable and reusable explosive”
Magikarp is literally a watered down rod of god weapon.
The explanation is pretty simple. A normal bomb converts Chemical Potential Energy into a high amount of Thermal Energy. A Rod From God does the same thing but uses Gravitational Potential Energy instead.
Yeah that’s a much better way of explaining it, thanks
I can't believe that I'm learning MORE from TH-cam than in school. I thought it's supposed to be the other way around. 💀💀💀
@@ir4zswell if you paid attention in school it would be 💀💀💀
A wild lion has appeared
Cosmog:with this treasure, i summon
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sunkern Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lion : 844-996 (262.9 - 310.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Love this calc
You forgot solar power boost
@@ctamybeloved777 i'm not aware of the lion's speed tier but I assume it's able to outspeed and ohko a sunkern so imo chlorophyle is mandatory here
You’re right actually, but what if the sunkern is like 30 levels than the lions fr
@@ctamybeloved777 To make it a fair fight they’d probably all be at level 100
Lion defenders will nerf Pokémon constantly
"No anime"
"Pokédex doesn't count"
But they lose anyways because of Kyoger, Rayquaza and of course the Dark and Light twins Gyratina and Palkia (I forgot how to spell their names)
Because IN THE GAMES
ON SCREEN
THEY SHOW ABILITIES THAT WOULD WIPE OUT 1 BILLION LIONS
Necrozma could probably cause an extinction even by itself just by consuming the sun. Life on Earth isn’t sustainable without the sun.
pokemon defenders will complain while lion supporters be lion jacketing
@@chaoticcar6231 Get Scizor’ed.
I don't think You're talking about the "dark and light twins" with the space god and the god of antimatter
Lion Kill-All-Pokemon Machine
I’m so happy someone is finally standing up for us on the Pokemon side of the debate. You really can’t just explain it away like everything will follow the standard Pokemon battle rules
Even if it followed standard rules lions lose.
@@VannyBeumerLion Nuke
The only strat where lions win is to flip flop between rulesets when its most convenient for you
@@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe
Eternatus.
@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe wide guard
9:54 happiny is always reminds me that pokemon aren’t animals, they are war gods
"snom is pathetic in battle" my one can use hyper beam
(no joke)
snom cannot learn hyper beam so you are, in fact, joking
It's probably hacked imo
@@Jaxolotl31(yes joke)
Something additional to note, the Magikarp one. The mere act of leaping into the air that high. Would obliterate anything in front of it. Including a lion trying to pounce.
Pokémon can likely canonically handle that. A lion which is bound by real world physics not so much.
One of every Pokemon vs a billion lions. Groudon uses Precipice Blades, Kyogre uses Origin Pulse, every fire type Pokemon uses Heat Wave, every electric type Pokemon uses Shockwave, every flying type Pokemon uses Hurricane, Mimikyu uses Let's Snuggle Forever one the one lion that miraculously survives all that.
Don’t forget Torkoal’s Eruption!
Lions use Lion UFO to abduct the little pokemon and feast upon their flesh
Other lions use Lion Nuke to pick off the weaker ones
Other other lions use Lion atheism, nullifying all the gods
Last lions use Lion Ladder to finish it off with styler
Foolproof plan.
@@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe and then the lions are swamped by one of every pattern spinda appearing
It’s all fun and games until Sunkern grows into a flower and absorbs the human souls
That sounds like a nightmare!
Perhaps, even... Your BEST Nightmare?
"Nooo you're supposed to obey me!"
Lion form of seven human souls:
It's ridiculous to think that a bunch of lions can be a challenge for Eldrich Gods like ZA HANDO a.k.a Eternatus Eternamax. Or even the most average route pokemon can be a nuclear warfare with moves like Hyper Beam.
Just a bunch of Eevees clean at least 1000 lions. And that's if the lions are fast enough.
Cosmog is also heavy as hell, and if it rammed into a lion, the lion would be pulverized.
Cosmog is tied with Gastly and Haunter for the lightest Pokemon. _Cosmoem_ is heavy as hell.
It taking about cosmoem
Lion Body Builder to lift it
Pichu alone could probably just stun them with thunder wave to outrun or feast upon for days. They are basically tiny animals with super powers
1 billion is a lot tho
@@sloowbroo just use 1 hit KO moves and the lions don't stand a chance. That doesn't even matter though when mythical and legendary pokemon exist.
even metapod can kill lmao
sure it cant learn anything by just getting levels
but it can learn ELECTROWEB from a TM like bro a lion is not gonna be able to get through an electroweb it will probably fall over and die from getting electrocuted
@@sloowbroo discharge is aoe so it'd hit everyone
@@Engieanimations harder is the only thing needed. They try to bite. Harden. Break mouth
The whole lion vs Pokemon debate is like if people argue that 1 billion lions could defeat the Z-Fighters.
"Iunno, Bruce Lee wouldn't be able to beat a lion, so how is Krillin going to be able to if he's shorter and lighter?" or "Bergamo is a wolf, which are a lot smaller than lions, so each lion would have to be stronger than Bergamo."
Yeah but there are a billion of them so the Pokemon lose
@@Ri-Dye A billion isn't enough, to be fair. A googol, though, a googol lions win easily
@@Ri-Dye the pokemon with god in the backpack:
@@Ri-Dye how many diffrent forms of sapinda are there again?
If a billion Lions can’t beat the Z-Fighters, they’re definitely not beat 1025 monsters
This video has taught me something
Pokemom really clear through irl animals like lions
Not surprised, I always thought of pokemon as irl animals with powers. It's like pairing humans vs superheroes. Also they're just impossible. You can't have an irl turtle that can squirt infinite water, or as much water as they show in pokemon. Same with all the elements
Yeah but the pokemon would lose because a billion is a lot
@Ri-Dye if you paired up a billion humans against superman, would he lose?
@@adarshmohapatra5058 No, but now if it was a billion LIONS...
@@Ri-Dyeone of the Pokémon created the universe he could just spawn thousands of suns on the lions
"In the black and white pokedex..." *proceeds to show a platinum dex entry*
Lanturn solos a billion lions. Because the funny thing about lanturn, is that if it actually existed... It would instantly collapse into a black hole that's larger than the obserable universe.
How?
@@That_Gamer716 To put it simply, there are several ways of making a black hole. One of the ways you can do it involves concentrating a ton of energy in a really small space. These black holes are reffered to as Kugelblitz. Lanturn's pokedex entry states that the light it emits can be seen 5 kilometers beneath the ocean's surface. For this statement be true, Lanturn would need to emit 10^105 Watts. To put that into perspective, that's move than the amount of energy than the sun will release in it's entire lifetime.
@@Finleys_snek oh my good lord, what the hell. I thought it was just a goofy ahh lamp 💀
@@That_Gamer716 Yeah, it's pretty absurd!
Cool
Ghost type alone is enough
Use Confuse Ray to make lion attacking each other or sucker punch them
Since lion definitely will be normal type and normal type can't hit ghost type 😂
but bite is a dark type move tho
@@SantiagoZelarayan-h6m Damn, I knew i could always bite ghosts
There’s no way ppl thought lions are beating Pokemon 😭
I don't see you beating a billion lions...
@@Ri-Dye nigga I’m talking about Pokemon beating lions, not myself. Come up with a better counter argument 💀 🤡
@@Ri-Dyebut I can certainly read that he says Pokémon can
8:20 Hey! That lion is wearing headphones!
I was gonna make that joke bru
He has learned from his bretherens mistakes
@@RandomPerson14-v2i My brothers! I will avenge you using… HATSUNE MIKU!!!
Here’s a fun one: Wynaut. Counter spam until the lion basically faints itself.
Cosmog might be able to teleport inside the Lion doing internal damage
But that might also kill it.
Or it could just teleport the lion. It can teleport other people
Teleport it to SPACE!
@@Mischievous_MothI think everyone is forgetting that if cosmog wanted to destroy earth, it would just use its weight.
Like I know Pokédex entrées are kinda crazy but if we are going but what it says, cosmog literally weights a lot. Like if it finely tuned it’s gravity or special ability to float, it could crush a lion to death, if not a few hundreds
@@mahapatrasohamm That is Cosmoem.
lore: pokemon win easily
in game, all at once: pokemon still win (SPREAD MOVES)
in game, single battle, each lion and pokemon go one on one, see how many lions each and every pokemon can kill, no items (eg. leppa berries): lions (although theoretically pokemon stand a chance)
pokemon win idk what these lion people are on about
Lore: maybe Arceus if in the pokemon world but i dont think he has juristiction of the multiverse any other universe lets hope he has enough PP
in game, all at once: you dont know how many the spread move can hit and it sure as shit isint the billion lions, because if it was every time any pokemon uses earthquake or surf or any other move the entire region would be in shambles
in game single battles: there isint enough hours in a day to have the amount of battles by the time half of the lions are dead some pokemon would have to have killed 500 thousand lions if not more to even have a chance to break even
now a lot of lions will die and even if they win will be because of exaction and spread moves hitting multiple pokemons as well
even if not by their own merit lions win
@@anilaisor For Lore, Gardevoir can canonically create blackholes, I don't think the lions will survive that
Pokemon Sapphire Pokedex entry Gardevoir has the psychokinetic power to distort the dimensions and create a small black hole. This Pokémon will try to protect its Trainer even at the risk of its own life.
Also for lore, if it also includes moves being accurate to their names, then Eruption instantly wins, lions cannot survive a volcano erupting in their face
@@Johnnysonboykidguymale
It is worth noting that it can only do this once, but Pokémon have teamwork so someone else will win.
@@anilaisor Forget Rayquaza, what do the lions do to Drifblim?
Also if we go by lore then the lions kill each other.
@@Johnnysonboykidguymale neither can the pokemon as i said they aint wining by their own merit but by the time the black hole or the vulcano killed all the lions pokemon have been long gone
lets say gardevoir makes a black hole that she can manage to close so she opens one it kills some lions she closes and moves on by the time she killed a million lions she is exhausted and probably easy prey
lets say she makes a black hole she cant control and goes feeding by the time it eats all the lions the pokemon would be dead
the lions win by photo finish
also Eruption they dont create the vulcano they are the vulcano and sure 100 lions die by the time the pokemon using erupt gets tired, there are many more lions
1:19 says the Unovan Pokédex entry while shows a Gen 4 Pokédex entry
Beat me to it
@@SamsungorMe too lol
0:25 Shiny Cosmog!!
Yeah, wondered why he did that.
@@VannyBeumer maybe as an easter egg kind of thing (?), some people say its hard to differentiate between a shiny and a normal cosmog :3
Nice catch, had me confused trying to catch the differences
@@VannyBeumer (Btw I love your pfp, I like Picrew)
Whoever is debating that lions could win are on copium a single golisopod could body close to 100 lions considering its bst
9:40 Ok now hang on that's Brocks Happiny that thing was abnormally powerful any ordinary Happiny can only dream of being that strong.
Cosmog could also drag the lion along in a Teleport and drop it in a volcano or something.
(this would also allow it to adhere to the "no outside help" clause that you tacked onto Wishiwashi immediately after having Cosmog summon a random Ultra Beast, btw)
Most accurate 1 billion lion vs pokemon argument yet
The real debate is 1 billion lions vs all the digimon. They dont know what happens to lions in digimon.
Oh god if you think the lions were cooked against the Pokemon...Digimon it gets even worse, you have things that LOREWISE have to have their power sealed to prevent destroying reality.
@@arridueldes9843is Digimon just pokémon but if Arceus was average?
@@Avian_slime I would not go that far, but it is a lot more overt in the multiversal level for its upper tier beings from what I know.
@arridueldes9843 let me rephrase that. Digimon is pokémon if most if not all legendaries and mythicals were average and avatar Arceus was high tier. (I don't scale true form and Arceus caps at low complex multi at best)
Oh poor leomon
lore wise the pokémon win, game wise the lions win
1:14 that’s why they made Magikarp Jump, a game about who’s Magikarp can jump the highest
That Journeys scene of Magikarp entering orbit absolutely sent my sides into orbit along with it seeing it the first time back when it aired
Each pokelman could beat over an billion lions, most by accident
idk about ratata tbh
Magcargo is literally as hot as the sun
Lanturn is literally brighter than the sun
Camerupt is also a magcargo
Solgaleo is the sun
Necrozma is all light in a universe
@@DragonTheOneDZAany electric type could beat a lion
@@DragonTheOneDZAso could any fire I think
@@DrRachi1Ratata could beat atleast 1 lion with F.E.A.R
Question: Do the pokémon even have enough PP to defeat all the lions?
Answer: many pokemon fly, and could stall the match long enough to get a healing potion or something
One thing to consider, is that bst may not be reliable, as for example glameow, a fat cat, is somehow faster than literal jet plane dragons
4:45 **lion proceeds to roar so loud it can be heard from 5+ miles**
Yeah
Not 5 miles
8:57 So lions will be like : Nah bro don’t lay a finger on that fish or else you’ll regret it 💀💀💀
3:39 Jonathan young: maybe not lions… BUT SURELY TIGERS-
7:48 I got flashed by a lion help
I think someone definitely got em mused of that and not laughing (if you don’t understand it means they got hard of the lions ball sack)
3:51 nah snow beat all of Pokémon sword solo. He is op
Sunkern can also win with Earth Power, with TM/TR/Tutors (Which Snom needs for Bug Buzz.): "The user makes the ground under the target erupt with power."
It specifies ERUPT & animations show actual erupting & magma. Bringing magma to the surface requires crazy power, & any magma will kill a lion anyway. If Sunkern can apply this power level to its moves & survive such levels in regular life, its doubtful a lion is beating it. Also, Cosmog's teleports "explode" in a way that it can break wood, shown in the cutscene early in S/M, so it can "attack" that way, too. Anyway, fun analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
One Halloween prank on cosmog can kill anyone probably
Don't forget though, a billion lions is a lot of lions.
@@RefundedLore Between zero and one Pokémon is a lot of Pokemon.
There are simply many pokemon who would wipe out thousands of times their own weight in lions, some of which cannot even be touched by a lion.
spinda has four billion patterns thats four spinda for every lion
@@donaldbaird7849 but a billion lions is a lot of lions.
@jthunderboldt if we're using that logic, then there are at least 7 different species of lions. 7 billion lions is a lot of lions.
I love the thought of an alternate Pokemon reality where a new method of war is sending orbital bombardments of magikarp upon your enemies. Fuck are they gonna do about it?
I am shocked this is still a debate.
Every Pokémon solos a billion lions because Pokémon can't die in battle, only faint.
The only time Pokemon can die is via the magical power of "plot device." Otherwise they are immortal! XD
@@lasercraft32 Or to extremely strong Pokémon, or weapons native to that world. Ogerpon has a kill count of three, and even then, those Lousy Three hooligans didn’t stay dead. And the Veilstone Myth’s swordsman seemed to be slaughtering Starly and Bidoof, and then just got called out by Giratina. Overall, the mortality of Pokémon in the Pokémon world is mostly limited to predation by stronger Pokémon, and even then, the souls don’t stay put for long.
Pokemon do die in battle (it just so happens that the power of science is incredible, and people are capable of bringing pokemon back from the dead). If the pokemon were alive a full restore would work on a fainted pokemon.
The only items that allow the revival of pokemon are magic crystals (the revive and max revive items) and the ashes of a phoenix.
@@Canaris4 And the revival herb, which is... just a medicinal plant. Also any Pawmot or Rabsca can just do it naturally.
Lions can win if the pokemon play dead to let the lions feel better
Sure, but a billion is a lot of lions
1:16 “in pokémon black and white-“ *shows a screenshot of platinum*
1:36 there's a mobile game called Magicarp Leap (I think) where you train your Magicarp to leap higher than the apposing Magicarp
It’s called magicarp jump it’s such a good game lol
Any pokemon with blizzard can use it and with all of them, no lion will be safe from the freeze
you know if this is the type of content I can expect to see from you consistently in the future
I’m not too pressed about losing your shorts content
this stuff is fun. Keep up the good work.
Bro forgot Unown.
9:03 Jojo reference
I immediately went to the comments when I heard that
Imagine being in a city but there are always earthquskes because of a...
FRICKING FISH THAT IS ON THE EDGE OF CRYING
Naw, but 1 billion lions is a lot of lions.
@@okayokey 1 Pokémon is a lot of Pokemon. I mean, have you ever seen one?
But don’t forget, that’s a lot of lions
jokes on ya'll I can beat a lion
Hail yeah brother!!!
@@Finleys_snek let me guess 2nd amendment?
@@DrRachi1 Nope. I'm just that powerful.
Can someone please tell us who would win the 1,000,000,000 pokemon fans vs the shower?
magikarp orbital cannon is the reason why arguments like the lion ladder exist
But the magikarp orbital cannon has been shown to be a viable strategy while the lion ladder assumes a lot
No, absolutely not. What the balls are you talking about?
I mean. You ever used a ground pound on a stack of like. 10 goombas. That magikarp isn’t just winning, that bitch is immortal
Brock's Happiny was not a regular Happiny.... It had the power of "Rule of Funny" augmenting its strength.
Cosmog could also win by just… teleporting above it. That thing weighs like… 2000 pounds or something like that.
*Cosmoem
For every gen we should add a billion lions so every Pokemon versus 9,000,000,000
I think groudon is weaker then happiny
The literal fucking nebula cannot go to space because: "Do these look like the stats of an astronaut?"
9:03 *the adventure of 6 pokemon journing from Kanto to Egypt to fight the evil vampire Lio Brando*
Damn you JoJo! You managed to beat my team of 6 Arceus!
How the hell did you get 11 km/s falling speed?? Bro that is like 30 times the speed of sound 💀💀💀
cosmog teleported lion into *the sun*
And this is how Pyroar was created
@@DragonTheOneDZA yay, WAIT THAT MEANS HE YEETED 2 OR MORE INTO THE SUN
Cosmog teleported lions into *The Sagittarius A supermassive black hole with 4 million solar masses at the center of the Milky Way*
@@PlanetaryGuineaPig yay
I see this more as a "What are the weakest Pokémon best chances of beating a lion?" because using every different way to estimate what a Pokémon can do is a bit too easy.
4:33 "Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor!"
There’s a whole official mobile game based on training a magikarp to jump, it lives like a week, then you get a new one 😭
I just looked at Latios I think, who was stated to be around super sonic level, and extrapolated the speed stat to that. That means even a speed stat of 10 would have incredible speed faster than a lion.
There is a move called water gun so magikarp can drown lions since he learns it
Blud he could never learn water gun.
BRO IS HALLUCINATING
They can learn Hydro Pump though!
Or she
Dude have you seen a water gun 🔫? LOL, they would just drink the water.
@@Zakatakamime Jokes on you, it is entirely urine.
Magikarp's dex entry also states, the move Splash remains useless.
Then use a different move.
but the Potential Gravity Energy he obtains caused by his jump height is definitely NOT useless. only the jump wouldn't hurt any lions, but the fall would.
I dunno, the Lions have been doing really well these past few seasons I think they have a chance to win
my favorite argument of the lions beating arceus is that they form a giant kratos made of lions like those wolf packs in the goose movie
10:01 you mean any lion? Nearly infinite? It took a full attack from metagross a pseudo legendary.
Picked up a frozen lake.
And like… jeez
Cosmog doesn't even have to summon an ultrabeast, simply opening a wormhole in the atmosphere would do catastrophic damage to not just a single lion, but the entire planet.
3:44 that is NOT a billionth of the sun's power
WAIT I JUST REALIZED hoopa can create new universes and bring the other universes pokemon over so it can be an infifnte amount of pokemon
@@XsalingMO Hoopa cannot create universes and bringing in reinforcements goes against the spirit of the question, but it can move Pokémon around to avoid friendly fire.
6:43 this isn't true. He only surpasses arceus in stats, but that's only an avatar of arceus. We have no idea what actual arceu's stats are.
I believe necrozma could be stronger than arceus.
@@cathal_account9815 Necrozma gets curbstomped by the Creation Trio
That's just, like, your opinion man
Damn good for them now they have to do that 999 million more times
@@jenske2881 No, a boss’mon just has to do it once.
lion supporters will say "no powers shown in anime" and then pull out shit like "lion tank"
99% of "Lion supporters" are being ironic simply to troll and trigger diehard pokemon nerds, like come on now this "argument" is literally just a joke
Who would win 1 billion lions vs evey Pokémon that got leaked in the Tera leak
Magikarp knows hydro pump. It's joever.
Hot take: I actually love Wishiwashi
same
@@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 How is this a ‘hot take’, who is going to fight you on this?
@@gerald2508 Me.
@@WestGarbage6 Why, what do you have against it?
@@gerald2508 Absolutely nothing.
6:32 the way you said its name just made me realise xurkitrees name is just circuitry with a z sound at the front, i had no idea before that
Do a video covering the leaks for legends za