I’ve owned my TC Max for over a year now and commuted almost every day. I’m a big fan. I use the power settings like gears, keep it in 1 when In 30 zones or traffic, 2 for 40 zones then 3 for every thing else.
So can you change settings on the go ...like gears ? And as time goes by do you think speed or distance will become a problem with recharge.. and any ideas on new battery costs. Look really aggressive for an electric might look good with cut off alloy mudguards and off road tyres like the herald brat 125 ?
@@simontritton4131 yes you can but think of it as more of a speed limiter than gears... you won’t get up to speed quicker in 1 than 3. Haven’t looked at a battery recently, from memory one got offer to me for about £700 as an extra when I bought the bike. You can find some good modded examples out there. Speaking to a few on forums, where they have put bigger tyres on or off road tyres they see a drop in top end and range.
I'm sure commuters will want one if they live right in a city, but the attraction to bikes for me is the amazing sound they make, so no eleky bike for me but each to their own
the problem with not having a lot of mileage means your going to need to charge almost everytime you use it just to make sure it is fully charged in case you actually need to go somewhere that needs the long range it has. So constantly charging compared to topping up when you need. Unless you are using it almost always for short rides then electric bikes still suffering from range anxiety just as Electric cars used to.
The thing is you buy the bike that suits you, this works for many people in cities and also older people who want a low-maintenance bike on hand to go to the shops, etc. Charging overnight is no bother and means it's always topped up. If you need a bike with more rage get one with more range but in the electrics with that range tend to be quite experienced it is true, and in these cases, petrol often wins atm. I have ridden many electric bikes are never really experienced range anxiety other than going to a charger and finding it's not working or it's too slow and then needing to get to another on what you have left.
There are regulation in place that mean the battery has to be up to a set standard for 3 years or the company must replace it. I don't know super soco's claims but zero say 200k miles and it will still have 80% of it's starting capacity. So really it's not that big of an issue if you look at most petrol bikes not going past 100k miles (sure many do and I bet most are just damaged rather than broken but you know what i mean) it's still early days anyway so in the future all these battery worries will be a thing of the past.
people were saying that when electric cars first kicked off, and they were absolutely fine, capacity didn't deplete anywhere near as much or as quickly as anyone thought it might. As with everything though - engines included - given enough abuse it will have problems sooner, and this mostly comes down to temperature management; if you keep getting it too hot you'll annoy it and the capacity will drop, if it's really cold and you ask too much of it before it's warmed up a bit, it can get all angry and try to set you on fire. Lithium batteries are what they are, it's removable so you can keep&charge it in the house/office, it'll have thermal management throttling while you're riding, it'll be fine. Nissan Leaf is having long-term reliability trouble in Australia due to inadequate cooling, that's the only problem i've heard of other than randomness of individual vehicle's reliability.
I don't know about you, man, but I honestly want switch-to-cancel indicators. Caught myself way too many times physically and visually checking whether or not my presses registered to cancel the indicators after a turn.
That's a motorway maintenance van - it wasn't indicating because they never do - that was probably a brake check the indicator only flashed because of the same issues as with the type of driver of said maintenance vehicles - there's a wiring short
Dude you need to review a Veteran Sherman. 120 mile range on a 3.2kwh battery, 53mph top speed, and I bought mine for less than £2k. I'll even lend you one of mine to test, I just want to get the word out!! 😅
Talking about indicators that bong.... My cbr125 that I bought the previous owner had a beeper installed now that's not a big issue I thought until I came to indicate down the road and sounded like a hgv reversing warning... Got that removed asap 😂
Perfect for in town and commutes non motorway anywhere there is congestion perfect .Have you tried the Harley lightning that looks impressive ,are there anymore bigger bikes in electric as a matter of interest .Cheers : )
If I was after a bike to just commute on, I think an e-bike is def the way forward. Love the slow speed control on this, I bet it'd be ace for motogymkhana!
@@erikyordanov7707 Thank you wise master. Who asked you anyway? Come here saying "correct" to people and stealing all the glory. Have you ever ridden one?
@@jackladd4332 I had made my self an ebike (push bike) with 2kw hub motor No vibration at all and enough torque to almost do a wheelie just by opening the throttle (I'm 90kg with the bike around 25)
@@erikyordanov7707 thank you for eventually adding to the conversation but i see you have no experience and you wouldn't know anything about whether they vibrate @ 65mph. But interesting your comment was, thanks again.
so... i mean... if you can't press the indicator cancel button all the time... how have you not gone mad? Has it got a fidget spinner on the mirror stem instead?
ive seen a video on utube where you can get more power out of these bikes. don't remember if it was for the lesser powered one. that would be interesting to see if it can go faster.
Any chance you could review the previous TC model? It's more focused on range than top-speed and has Regen brakes too but there's barely any decent reviews from an experienced rider such as yourself. 🙏
doesn't make much difference, even with a moderately loud exhaust you're basically passing them by the time you're being heard, especially if they have the windows closed and radio on a bit
is it me or did it sound like it struggled at max speed on the dual carriage way? i've no history with motorbikes and not really that interested in them. but, i've got an electric scooter (second one i've purchased) and looking at electric motorcycles.
There are more videos to see how you find the performance 👍 it's happy to sit at 60mph bit that's about top speed. Thing is electric bikes like this are not made to do those roads as it eats the batt. Around town is where it is strongest.
Yay let's go and trade in my bike for this. At that price I'd be buying my full bike and licence. Money is stupid and no 17-18 years old will afford this.
@@spicy110 yeah and I wouldn't be buying a yzf125 for a 125 if I had any sense either. It's just too much cost for any normal person. I personally can't afford that type of cash to be eco efficient.
@@spicy110 its also very slow and I wouldn't really want to take it on the bypass at them speeds unless you can unlock different power modes but then the battery wouldn't last from mine to my Mrs House so once again another let down point and I'm out in the countryside so no electricity points anywhere near me.
Benelli tnt for £2000 or a 125cc equivalent (but less powerful) electric for £4500. This ain't it chief. Lower range, lower power, normally comes on deadly Chinese tyres and twice as expensive.
Fair point mate. Watch the chinese start selling electric bikes @ 2 grand, and good for the chinese. Just goes to show how much we're being ripped off. 2 grand for the bike + 2 grand for a Yamaha sticker. Buy chinese and force them to stop scamming us. Outside of china the bike market is rigged. Bout time we showed em. Honda and the others don't care about you. Stop being faithful to people who are taking the mickey out of you.
@@jackladd4332 To be fair, you can definitely tell the difference in manufacturing quality between the Japanese and Chinese bikes (albeit this is on switchgear like the indicator button and the frame, tyres and engine components). That being said, I have to agree and say I don't know where the 2 grand difference comes from. Especially when you look at say a ybr125 and the yzf125. You're paying an extra grand over the ybr for some fairing on the yzf. I've owned a benelli tnt and serviced it myself for a year with oil and filter, I did 9k without a 'proper' workshop service and it never broke down. I test Rode the earlier version of this super soco too and I stood on the pegs to adjust my gentleman's tackle and I heard a crack from the foot peg like they were made out of the cheapest material. I also nearly lost the front at the first roundabout I came to because of these cheap Chinese tyres and ive never felt so unsafe on such an underpowered machine. I had to ride in the gutter because it couldn't accelerate up the slightest of gradients. This was on a 40mph road.
I brought a ts 1200 and rode it for 100km and battery went out on it it’s been in for warranty for 2 years and no bike so I wouldn’t buy one ever again
I don’t think this vehicle would be useful to me. Besides commuting I would need it to go someplace far what this little machine is not up to the job. It only would serve if you have a second Petrol powered vehicle to cover for all those kind of jobs.
Approximately twenty extra power stations would be needed to charge the tens of millions of vehicles on UK roads. Such a vast amount of extra electricity can't be supplied by unreliable non-generated sources like wind. It will need fossil, nuclear and new technologies that supply instant, on demand generated electricity.
You’ll get 60 mile range at 30mph Even less range at higher speeds You can’t hit 70mph (on fuel powered 125’s you can) You’ll be spending more time waiting for these things to charge than you will ever riding them. Don’t bother. Get an electric bicycle. Electric motorbike tech ain’t ready yet. If you want a motorbike, get a fuel powered one. I can probably get a good 100miles out of my Z125. Probably more if I keep it low revs. and I can go 70mph and I’m pretty sure it’s similarly priced. These Emotorbikes ARENT WORTH IT!
@@spicy110 I’ve rode somebody else’s once. I’ve got no complaints with how they ride! They ride fine and they feel very different! But these are way more just a rich kids toy than anything else. They’re inconvenient as hell. Give it 5 years before these are really worth getting. It’s not like 125’s are fuel hungry monsters anyways. The pro’s of these electric motorbikes are just severely outweighed by the cons. Only situation I could see where it would be worth owning an electric 125 is if you lived in a super hot climate AND a busy city
I purchased this bike in November, ended up sending it back after 3 months, nothing but lies and lies and more lies, Max speed is 50 mph not 60 mph, put a phone on there and you will see the speedo is out by 20% I got 40 miles in mode 1 and 2% battery left, you wont ever get 60 miles out of it, again put a phone on and you will see the odometer also lies, i did 40 miles and the bike registered 46 miles, Also, this bike doesn't have 170Nm torque like advertised, the motor actually produces 12.9Nm torque as stated on their website, thats over 1200% difference The bike shop i brought it from even changed the listing specs based on the information i gave them, should really be a law against false advertising like this, wasted my alot of time and money
My findings were my findings with this machine, I can not say any more than that. As for the torque figures I think you will find it depends where it's measured as to how much it has. Same as crank BHP and wheel BHP.
I’ve owned my TC Max for over a year now and commuted almost every day. I’m a big fan. I use the power settings like gears, keep it in 1 when In 30 zones or traffic, 2 for 40 zones then 3 for every thing else.
So can you change settings on the go ...like gears ? And as time goes by do you think speed or distance will become a problem with recharge.. and any ideas on new battery costs.
Look really aggressive for an electric might look good with cut off alloy mudguards and off road tyres like the herald brat 125 ?
@@simontritton4131 yes you can but think of it as more of a speed limiter than gears... you won’t get up to speed quicker in 1 than 3.
Haven’t looked at a battery recently, from memory one got offer to me for about £700 as an extra when I bought the bike.
You can find some good modded examples out there. Speaking to a few on forums, where they have put bigger tyres on or off road tyres they see a drop in top end and range.
Has it been reliable what is mileage
@@owen8538 I can say it has been unfortunately. Support in the UK is hard work, dealer next to clueless hasn’t helped.
@@brighty79 it hasn't been you mean why
Interestingly the Porsche you pulled up behind at the set of lights was a Taycan; an electric car...
....shame I don't know shit about cars 🤣
Love the fact Porsche stick a Turbo badge on it 😂
@@spicy110yeah probably the best electric car money can buy.
Excellent videos , thanks for taking them time doing them , a must watch for anyone thinking of buying on , really useful info 👍
Looks like a fun bike. Can't ask for more than that.
Omg one day I will get this bike freaking love the style
10:08 - mobile scrumping, aka grand theft apple
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I'm sure commuters will want one if they live right in a city, but the attraction to bikes for me is the amazing sound they make, so no eleky bike for me but each to their own
PULL PULL PULL......YEAAAAAAAA
Love that Windows start-up music, hoping I can change that to some kinda Tron-like Light Cycle sound.
the problem with not having a lot of mileage means your going to need to charge almost everytime you use it just to make sure it is fully charged in case you actually need to go somewhere that needs the long range it has. So constantly charging compared to topping up when you need. Unless you are using it almost always for short rides then electric bikes still suffering from range anxiety just as Electric cars used to.
The thing is you buy the bike that suits you, this works for many people in cities and also older people who want a low-maintenance bike on hand to go to the shops, etc. Charging overnight is no bother and means it's always topped up. If you need a bike with more rage get one with more range but in the electrics with that range tend to be quite experienced it is true, and in these cases, petrol often wins atm. I have ridden many electric bikes are never really experienced range anxiety other than going to a charger and finding it's not working or it's too slow and then needing to get to another on what you have left.
It definitely looks better than the fxs zero
I do wonder that with electric bikes that as the battery gets older the range or distance will be reduced so having to charge more often.
There are regulation in place that mean the battery has to be up to a set standard for 3 years or the company must replace it. I don't know super soco's claims but zero say 200k miles and it will still have 80% of it's starting capacity. So really it's not that big of an issue if you look at most petrol bikes not going past 100k miles (sure many do and I bet most are just damaged rather than broken but you know what i mean) it's still early days anyway so in the future all these battery worries will be a thing of the past.
people were saying that when electric cars first kicked off, and they were absolutely fine, capacity didn't deplete anywhere near as much or as quickly as anyone thought it might. As with everything though - engines included - given enough abuse it will have problems sooner, and this mostly comes down to temperature management; if you keep getting it too hot you'll annoy it and the capacity will drop, if it's really cold and you ask too much of it before it's warmed up a bit, it can get all angry and try to set you on fire. Lithium batteries are what they are, it's removable so you can keep&charge it in the house/office, it'll have thermal management throttling while you're riding, it'll be fine.
Nissan Leaf is having long-term reliability trouble in Australia due to inadequate cooling, that's the only problem i've heard of other than randomness of individual vehicle's reliability.
I look after 30 EV's you can get 5 years out of batteries they do drop a little as time goes on.
I like the look of this bike. Very sleek. 🙂 86k subs is getting close now. 😉👍👍👍
I would like to see electric bikes of all type and range add a "pedestrian chime". Something separate from the horn that can alert peds.
I don't know about you, man, but I honestly want switch-to-cancel indicators. Caught myself way too many times physically and visually checking whether or not my presses registered to cancel the indicators after a turn.
That's a motorway maintenance van - it wasn't indicating because they never do - that was probably a brake check the indicator only flashed because of the same issues as with the type of driver of said maintenance vehicles - there's a wiring short
Dude you need to review a Veteran Sherman. 120 mile range on a 3.2kwh battery, 53mph top speed, and I bought mine for less than £2k. I'll even lend you one of mine to test, I just want to get the word out!! 😅
You mean that one wheel thing? Can I ask how do you brake at 50mph? 🤣
th-cam.com/video/41NBrt4kbgk/w-d-xo.html Here's deceleration from 30mph to 0 in 2.3 seconds ☺️
Thanks enjoying this. Horwin CR6 next....?
Talking about indicators that bong.... My cbr125 that I bought the previous owner had a beeper installed now that's not a big issue I thought until I came to indicate down the road and sounded like a hgv reversing warning... Got that removed asap 😂
Perfect for in town and commutes non motorway anywhere there is congestion perfect .Have you tried the Harley lightning that looks impressive ,are there anymore bigger bikes in electric as a matter of interest .Cheers : )
No but I would love to try the Harley! Super soco don't have anything big yet but I will be getting some big zeros next year!
If I was after a bike to just commute on, I think an e-bike is def the way forward. Love the slow speed control on this, I bet it'd be ace for motogymkhana!
Not so sure on that one as the throttle is a little lagged off the mark
@@spicy110 ahh that is a shame... you did look more settled on it once at a fixed throttle on the circling you did
I so wish they'd make a 250 equivalent at a decent price point with a 100 mile range
Valuable info mate i enjoyed that video. My Sinnis 125 RSX EFi vibrates a lot @ 65mph, i take it these electric bikes don't vibrate at all?
Correct
@@erikyordanov7707 Thank you wise master. Who asked you anyway? Come here saying "correct" to people and stealing all the glory. Have you ever ridden one?
@@jackladd4332 I had made my self an ebike (push bike) with 2kw hub motor
No vibration at all and enough torque to almost do a wheelie just by opening the throttle (I'm 90kg with the bike around 25)
@@erikyordanov7707 thank you for eventually adding to the conversation but i see you have no experience and you wouldn't know anything about whether they vibrate @ 65mph. But interesting your comment was, thanks again.
It doesn't have an engine rotating to cause vibrations so why would it vibrate?
Can you use public chargers at plug in points (as well as Asda and other stores) from the super soco Max's pin plug ?
Hello. Thanks for the video. Have you had the chance to ride with the TC Max yet?
This is a TC Max!?
Are you able to tell me what the switch on the right hand side does above the 123 mode numbers??
Answered in the review, when I go over the controls. th-cam.com/video/tAUvPXFfQUQ/w-d-xo.html
so... i mean... if you can't press the indicator cancel button all the time... how have you not gone mad? Has it got a fidget spinner on the mirror stem instead?
It's a really struggle! 😁 (I too do the check its cancelled 50 times press press)
ive seen a video on utube where you can get more power out of these bikes. don't remember if it was for the lesser powered one. that would be interesting to see if it can go faster.
Any chance you could review the previous TC model? It's more focused on range than top-speed and has Regen brakes too but there's barely any decent reviews from an experienced rider such as yourself. 🙏
Do you think you can do an A1 on a tc Max?
it is 3kW or 5kW version?
Videos look wayyyy better with the GoPro 🙂
You’ve missed the key issue Spicy. Can you pull a wheelie on it! 😎
No 🤣
@@spicy110(Ahem) On private land of course
What max speed?
horn test?
No need to lol
I expect you'll need to be extra careful filtering as you won't have the engine sound for warning the cars.
doesn't make much difference, even with a moderately loud exhaust you're basically passing them by the time you're being heard, especially if they have the windows closed and radio on a bit
@@chrisdavidson911 Must be a biker thing then. I hear or see the bike coming from a few cars back and give a few extra inches if possible.
sounds like a sport bike with the sound turned down lol
0:55 yep, i so wanted one of these for getting about town but saw it was made for hobbits. My grom had more room on it.
Oooooo new gloves
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is it me or did it sound like it struggled at max speed on the dual carriage way? i've no history with motorbikes and not really that interested in them.
but, i've got an electric scooter (second one i've purchased) and looking at electric motorcycles.
There are more videos to see how you find the performance 👍 it's happy to sit at 60mph bit that's about top speed. Thing is electric bikes like this are not made to do those roads as it eats the batt. Around town is where it is strongest.
Yay let's go and trade in my bike for this. At that price I'd be buying my full bike and licence. Money is stupid and no 17-18 years old will afford this.
You know lots of 125cc bikes cost more? like yzf125CC is near on 5k, besides who said its only for 17-18 year olds? just saying
@@spicy110 yeah and I wouldn't be buying a yzf125 for a 125 if I had any sense either. It's just too much cost for any normal person. I personally can't afford that type of cash to be eco efficient.
@@spicy110 its also very slow and I wouldn't really want to take it on the bypass at them speeds unless you can unlock different power modes but then the battery wouldn't last from mine to my Mrs House so once again another let down point and I'm out in the countryside so no electricity points anywhere near me.
Hello! Need a rights for this motorcycle?
Huh?
@@spicy110 do you have to pass a test to ride this bike
Yes a CBT
That would bother me very much! (" nobody can hear me coming"). Stay safe!
Speed and bad behavior is the reason of accidents not the lack of sound.
Benelli tnt for £2000 or a 125cc equivalent (but less powerful) electric for £4500. This ain't it chief. Lower range, lower power, normally comes on deadly Chinese tyres and twice as expensive.
Fair point mate. Watch the chinese start selling electric bikes @ 2 grand, and good for the chinese. Just goes to show how much we're being ripped off. 2 grand for the bike + 2 grand for a Yamaha sticker. Buy chinese and force them to stop scamming us. Outside of china the bike market is rigged. Bout time we showed em. Honda and the others don't care about you. Stop being faithful to people who are taking the mickey out of you.
@@jackladd4332 To be fair, you can definitely tell the difference in manufacturing quality between the Japanese and Chinese bikes (albeit this is on switchgear like the indicator button and the frame, tyres and engine components). That being said, I have to agree and say I don't know where the 2 grand difference comes from. Especially when you look at say a ybr125 and the yzf125. You're paying an extra grand over the ybr for some fairing on the yzf. I've owned a benelli tnt and serviced it myself for a year with oil and filter, I did 9k without a 'proper' workshop service and it never broke down. I test Rode the earlier version of this super soco too and I stood on the pegs to adjust my gentleman's tackle and I heard a crack from the foot peg like they were made out of the cheapest material. I also nearly lost the front at the first roundabout I came to because of these cheap Chinese tyres and ive never felt so unsafe on such an underpowered machine. I had to ride in the gutter because it couldn't accelerate up the slightest of gradients. This was on a 40mph road.
I brought a ts 1200 and rode it for 100km and battery went out on it it’s been in for warranty for 2 years and no bike so I wouldn’t buy one ever again
most important is, near-empty to running out..
ha ha - races with fastest electric Porsche EV! :)
Only 7hp for a license that can have up to 15? Surely not
I don’t think this vehicle would be useful to me. Besides commuting I would need it to go someplace far what this little machine is not up to the job. It only would serve if you have a second Petrol powered vehicle to cover for all those kind of jobs.
Bikes made for city limits where the max speed is 50-70, it’s not exactly made for motorways
60mi/h = 96.5606km/h
Take it down the green lanes
Approximately twenty extra power stations would be needed to charge the tens of millions of vehicles on UK roads. Such a vast amount of extra electricity can't be supplied by unreliable non-generated sources like wind. It will need fossil, nuclear and new technologies that supply instant, on demand generated electricity.
Everyone is scared of nuclear even though it's currently our best option...
You’ll get
60 mile range at 30mph
Even less range at higher speeds
You can’t hit 70mph (on fuel powered 125’s you can)
You’ll be spending more time waiting for these things to charge than you will ever riding them. Don’t bother. Get an electric bicycle. Electric motorbike tech ain’t ready yet. If you want a motorbike, get a fuel powered one. I can probably get a good 100miles out of my Z125. Probably more if I keep it low revs. and I can go 70mph and I’m pretty sure it’s similarly priced. These Emotorbikes ARENT WORTH IT!
How many you ridden?
@@spicy110 I’ve rode somebody else’s once. I’ve got no complaints with how they ride! They ride fine and they feel very different! But these are way more just a rich kids toy than anything else. They’re inconvenient as hell. Give it 5 years before these are really worth getting.
It’s not like 125’s are fuel hungry monsters anyways. The pro’s of these electric motorbikes are just severely outweighed by the cons. Only situation I could see where it would be worth owning an electric 125 is if you lived in a super hot climate AND a busy city
I purchased this bike in November, ended up sending it back after 3 months, nothing but lies and lies and more lies,
Max speed is 50 mph not 60 mph, put a phone on there and you will see the speedo is out by 20%
I got 40 miles in mode 1 and 2% battery left, you wont ever get 60 miles out of it, again put a phone on and you will see the odometer also lies, i did 40 miles and the bike registered 46 miles,
Also, this bike doesn't have 170Nm torque like advertised, the motor actually produces 12.9Nm torque as stated on their website, thats over 1200% difference
The bike shop i brought it from even changed the listing specs based on the information i gave them, should really be a law against false advertising like this, wasted my alot of time and money
My findings were my findings with this machine, I can not say any more than that. As for the torque figures I think you will find it depends where it's measured as to how much it has. Same as crank BHP and wheel BHP.
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I'd rather walk.
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