What’s even more amazing is that with digital direct injection, it burns cleaner than a four-stroke. We need to allow two-strokes to compete in Moto GP today! And turbo’s, superchargers etc. we need to allow ‘imagination’ and clever engineering to come back to the top tier of motorcycle racing.
We do! We need 2 strikes in all racing. Now as far as street bike racing such as superbikes I just can’t imagine how radical and violent a large 2 strike would be. If you look at the Honda CR500 dirt bike it’s way to radical for the average rider and discontinued due to sales. It’s just way too much for most people to handle. It I agree with todays technology the big bikes can be computerized to control how it operates and help control a 2 stroke
ROFLMBAO! Current GP bikes are only rideable because of the electronics so more power wouldn't make them much faster. A front swingarm classis the only logical evolution that would make them faster. Idk why the ELF bike Ron Haslam rode back in the 80s wasn't developed to actually make a front swingarm chassis commonplace by now. Yamaha, Vyris and Bimota made such bikes but where are they, how come they can't be perfected for mass production?
Two strokes are just way cooler than today’s MotoGP bikes. How sick would it be to have a two stroke class (with no anti-anything) racing on the same day as the current MotoGP bikes? I think the two strokes would get way more attention.
I brought one about 6 years ago for about 2.900 pounds ,I ride it now and again and brings me back to my youth,I’m now nearly 56 years young,lol ! Greetings Portsmouth England 🏴
Still got my first road bike and that's a '72 GT750J, bought it back in '87 for 2500 Belgian franks (+/- €62) as a total wreck but rebuilt it and it's still here today. Sure that thing is fast but the frame is a disaster. If I wouldn't have had my experience in motorcross riding 500cc's, I'm sure that Suzuki would have gotten me killed. Few years later i got my first Ducati (a Pantah 600 which is my all time favourite) so you can imagine the difference. In cornering, with that '81 Ducati I could easely beat others on much younger and more powerful Japs.
I went to AMI in Daytona in the early 70’s and a classmate had lived in Japan for a while and obtained a Suzuki ‘Water Buffalo’ that had been ported for racing. Man were those swamp drug races great!
This 500 NSR is a magnificent replica made by Petku garage with VTR chassis and 500 RD/RZ engine.with license plate He will be proud of the confusion 👍
Although not a production sports bike, Rima motors have designed their own 587vc V twin two stroke engine housed in an Aprilia RSV Mile chassis. Currently, it puts out over 140hp
The Aprilia RS250 should have been on the list. It was the pinnacle of small displacement 2stroke design and technology at the time. The limited edition road legal race replicas, like the Loris Reggiani replica, had 80bhp out of the box, and with a few performance parts and some tuning could achieve similar bhp as an older RD/RG500. My Reggiani rep' was making 98bhp at the crank. Crazy power, gorgeous styling, and amazing handling, the RS250 had it all.
I bought up a RD350 project in the late 90's. Think I paid $500. Went to pick it up and ended with 2 full bikes (1 with title and tags), 3 mostly complete motors in crates, and lots of parts. When I got around to going through the pile I found 1 was a rd400 motor, and receipts indicated that the tagged bike was tuned by Moto Carrera in CA to their Stage 3 level (IIRC). I forget the specs but it was significantly more powerful than stock, with a narrower powerband. I rode that thing all over Baltimore, in the city it was so fun. I'd never ridden 2-strokes and always fought to keep it on the boil; but when it was right... it was crazy. I've ridden a lot of bikes and very few felt anything like the brutal acceleration that little smoker had. Ended up selling everything when I had to move; one of those decisions a person later regrets. The guy who bought it roda his RD350 about 70 miles to look at it, was nice to see it go to a guy who was into them. A few years later I missed a gray market 500 that a friend had gotten into WA from Canada.... thinking I'd see plenty of deals in the future. That was the good old days when old Japanese bikes were cheap and abundant. $1/cc was the joke, if it ran. Now I see CB350s for $3k... while I used to get 2-3 for free at a time from peoples garages and yards. Hindsight.....
Konig 500 was a weapon for the time ,it was powered with a German outboard racing engine a flat 4 boxer it was designed & raced by Kiwi Kim Newcombe 85 h.p @10,000 rpm it was beating everything in 1974 but Kim was killed racing it & the project to manufacture them stopped .There is a couple of them here in NZ & maybe about 5-6 bikes all up exist very very rare & very cool .
@@dutchsailor6620 Quite Common ? there were less than 100 made for privateers & barley a hand full still exist you call that common ? lmao ,,. you tube dorks unbelievable you are negative try to prove everyone wrong know it all dorks & you know nothing so you just make it up .
back in the day i got my first bike in 86, KR250. man, for half a 500, it was a weapon. never rode a 500 2stroke, but my mind did every moto gp race day watching gardner, schwanz, rainey, freddy, and the gang scream those things around the tracks. i was offered a RZ500 not running a few years back. i still kick my own ass for not jumping on that deal.
I lost interest with Moto GP and motocross when the four strokes took over, two strokes were something very unique and special to witness, I miss them a great deal in professional racing.
@@2strokediaries Could be somewhat similar to the old TZ 750 of the 1970. . . . . Bog....bog...bog..bog than explosion, straigt up with the rear tire spinning madly 😨🤣. . . look fora race in 1993 or was it 1983 🤔 , Randy Mamola and Kenny Roberts. . on their YZF 680 cc
@@michelbrown1060 TZ750 was quite manageable. I also raced it with TZ250 cylinder blocks in the 500 class, same power as the 750 but because the lack of reed valves the powerband was more narrow and very peaky, the throttle was almost like a light switch. Didn't have a chance against a RG500 coming out of the corners.
did you know a warm well tuned 2 stroke doesn't smoke very much, unless deliberately tuned rich to cool/and lubricate a race engine. did you miss the Kenny Roberts Yamaha yz-750 about 185/200 hp. Kenny said after racing once in 1974 on a mile dirt track and winning they don't pay me enough to ride that motorcycle again.
I guess age has to have some benefit. Being an old fart, i've had the pleasure of riding a Yamaha RZ 500, owning a Suzuki RG500, a TZ 250, and riding a Honda NSR250. These things were commonplace, back in the 80's and 90's. You need to have deep pockets to own one, now. Christ...back then, my KTM was white, from the factory!!!! Unheard of.
Raced the rg500 in the eighties, before all of this new teq, spent many of weeks in the hospital I've broke 37 Bones on the rg and still have one, getting older now and the bones rattle but we still get out there, don't they consider the rotary a two stroke? That Norton is the one i want to mount,
@@2strokeexhaust122 I know they don't, I just thought they classified it as a 2 stroke,had one in a snowmobile 20 years ago,if it started and if,,,it was a beast up top,,,
@@jeffstratton8838 ex-TZ750 racer here. Actually it's more like a 3 stroke ,1 rotation of the rotor resulting in three combustion phases. The internal 1 to 3 gearing of the rotor will increase this to 1 rotation of the centre shaft/combustion cycle.
@@dutchsailor6620 I know how it works I was wondering if they classified it as a 2 stroke, they classified it as something to get it off the track it was eating 750s for breakfast, I didn't know if they classified as a two-stroke or recalibrated the bore to get it out of the class
@@jeffstratton8838 I think that nobody wanted to burn his fingers by classifying an engine that was so open to different interpretation, like : how to determine displacement and is this measured by a rotation of the rotor or rotation of the shaft? The outcome could be manipulated by changing the rotor gear ratio. Can of worms. Maybe some background history of the Norton rotary racer can clarify things.
Sports bike NOT race bikes!!!!!!!! Where was the widow maker H2750 Mach IV??? That was the quickest bike of it's time and started the Japanese revolution of high powered sports bikes.
Bayangkan kita generai X kembali ke era moto gp yang menggunakan mesin 2 lejang.. Rindu dengan bunyinya setiap kali pelumba melalui laluan lurus.. Jangan lupa Valentino rossi dengan aprillia 125 2 lejang
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What’s even more amazing is that with digital direct injection, it burns cleaner than a four-stroke. We need to allow two-strokes to compete in Moto GP today! And turbo’s, superchargers etc. we need to allow ‘imagination’ and clever engineering to come back to the top tier of motorcycle racing.
We do! We need 2 strikes in all racing. Now as far as street bike racing such as superbikes I just can’t imagine how radical and violent a large 2 strike would be. If you look at the Honda CR500 dirt bike it’s way to radical for the average rider and discontinued due to sales. It’s just way too much for most people to handle. It I agree with todays technology the big bikes can be computerized to control how it operates and help control a 2 stroke
ROFLMBAO! Current GP bikes are only rideable because of the electronics so more power wouldn't make them much faster. A front swingarm classis the only logical evolution that would make them faster. Idk why the ELF bike Ron Haslam rode back in the 80s wasn't developed to actually make a front swingarm chassis commonplace by now. Yamaha, Vyris and Bimota made such bikes but where are they, how come they can't be perfected for mass production?
And how do you get that unnecessary power down on the ground when bikes are too powerful already??
Rubbish. They have a power stroke every 2 strokes, twice as often as a 4 stroke so it will always be less efficient and more polluting.
@@captainwin6333 an 1 cylinder 2 strokes engine has a power stroke each stroke. A 4 strokes has a power stroke every 2 strokes.
generally people still talk about the 2 stroke era, including me, i so want these monster back , the smell and viscous power band as well !!
It will never happen
I think you mean vicious, vicous is sticky!
He probably ment viscous remember scrubbing bean oil off pistons. @@ralphwhitby2917
Two strokes are just way cooler than today’s MotoGP bikes. How sick would it be to have a two stroke class (with no anti-anything) racing on the same day as the current MotoGP bikes? I think the two strokes would get way more attention.
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True
Tz750 at 4:00 does some nasty wheelies passing some 4 strokes, awesome clip..
Honda nsr 500 one of the best looking best sounding best handling bikes ever to race, even more impressive with mick doohan ringing its neck.
NSR 500 has and still the apogy of the 2 strokes engines. whatever the sound. This HRC
Still... not to this day no other GP-bike managed to beat the looks of the Cagiva C594 ;-)
@@phillarsson8253 100%
@@phillarsson8253 Right !
@@phillarsson8253 I feel like the Suter was inspired by the cagiva, at least asthetically - but I wouldnt turn away either!
Can't beat the smell and cracking coming out the exhausts of a 2 stroke
I had an KH 500 and even though it didn't have those HP numbers it was still massively fun miss it greatly
.. oh how I miss the smell of 2 stroke 😶🌫️
I swear I could smell it watching this video 😂
Had the RD 350 ypvs and i must say bring back 2stroke power 💥
cool bikes
I brought one about 6 years ago for about 2.900 pounds ,I ride it now and again and brings me back to my youth,I’m now nearly 56 years young,lol ! Greetings Portsmouth England 🏴
That Suter's a glorious looking beast.
Id be more impressed if the motor was single crankshaft
I had a 350 lc, an rg250 gamma and a Tzr250, the instant power band of a 2 stroke would shock most modern day riders.
My friend had a 1979 Suzuki gt 750 3 cylinder that was water cooled and had Bazanti pipes, it was so fast!
Still got my first road bike and that's a '72 GT750J, bought it back in '87 for 2500 Belgian franks (+/- €62) as a total wreck but rebuilt it and it's still here today. Sure that thing is fast but the frame is a disaster. If I wouldn't have had my experience in motorcross riding 500cc's, I'm sure that Suzuki would have gotten me killed. Few years later i got my first Ducati (a Pantah 600 which is my all time favourite) so you can imagine the difference. In cornering, with that '81 Ducati I could easely beat others on much younger and more powerful Japs.
That Bimota sounds mint! 👌
That would be my 1 choice .
That Bimota is special
100%
I went to AMI in Daytona in the early 70’s and a classmate had lived in Japan for a while and obtained a Suzuki ‘Water Buffalo’ that had been ported for racing. Man were those swamp drug races great!
That Kawasaki with the brushed aluminum tank… what a beauty
This 500 NSR is a magnificent replica made by Petku garage with VTR chassis and 500 RD/RZ engine.with license plate
He will be proud of the confusion 👍
that Yamaha 750 smoker reeling and walking past was cool to see. Amazing bikes
Yahaha TZR 125, a DeltaBox framed rocket when it was (easily) de-restricted. I so miss the 90s 😢
Strokers are awesome.
Tell ye something else, too. I had a 350 Powervalve F11 and it flogged big bikes regularly. A legendary machine. Iconic.
in the 70's we had the Kawasaki 500 and 750 3 cylinder 2 strokes ...anything faster than those is overkill ...
My 94 CR 500 has 67HP.. I thought these would have been a bit higher than what they are. Nice video tyvm.
did you not see the 200hp nsr500
But your cr 500 will blow itself up
Although not a production sports bike, Rima motors have designed their own 587vc V twin two stroke engine housed in an Aprilia RSV Mile chassis. Currently, it puts out over 140hp
Death machine 😂
My TV needed smell-o-vision for this video ☀️
The Yamaha TZ 750 was the absolute best
The Aprilia RS250 should have been on the list. It was the pinnacle of small displacement 2stroke design and technology at the time. The limited edition road legal race replicas, like the Loris Reggiani replica, had 80bhp out of the box, and with a few performance parts and some tuning could achieve similar bhp as an older RD/RG500. My Reggiani rep' was making 98bhp at the crank. Crazy power, gorgeous styling, and amazing handling, the RS250 had it all.
The RS125 and RS250 were the best 2 stroke machines ever made.
As well as the 2 stroke sound, I love this ladies voice
I bought up a RD350 project in the late 90's. Think I paid $500. Went to pick it up and ended with 2 full bikes (1 with title and tags), 3 mostly complete motors in crates, and lots of parts. When I got around to going through the pile I found 1 was a rd400 motor, and receipts indicated that the tagged bike was tuned by Moto Carrera in CA to their Stage 3 level (IIRC). I forget the specs but it was significantly more powerful than stock, with a narrower powerband. I rode that thing all over Baltimore, in the city it was so fun. I'd never ridden 2-strokes and always fought to keep it on the boil; but when it was right... it was crazy. I've ridden a lot of bikes and very few felt anything like the brutal acceleration that little smoker had.
Ended up selling everything when I had to move; one of those decisions a person later regrets. The guy who bought it roda his RD350 about 70 miles to look at it, was nice to see it go to a guy who was into them. A few years later I missed a gray market 500 that a friend had gotten into WA from Canada.... thinking I'd see plenty of deals in the future. That was the good old days when old Japanese bikes were cheap and abundant. $1/cc was the joke, if it ran. Now I see CB350s for $3k... while I used to get 2-3 for free at a time from peoples garages and yards. Hindsight.....
Thanks for sharing. Good times. Godspeed.
That bimota sounds amazing
Konig 500 was a weapon for the time ,it was powered with a German outboard racing engine a flat 4 boxer it was designed & raced by Kiwi Kim Newcombe 85 h.p @10,000 rpm it was beating everything in 1974 but Kim was killed racing it & the project to manufacture them stopped .There is a couple of them here in NZ & maybe about 5-6 bikes all up exist very very rare & very cool .
They were quite common in Europe.
@@dutchsailor6620 Quite Common ? there were less than 100 made for privateers & barley a hand full still exist you call that common ? lmao ,,. you tube dorks unbelievable you are negative try to prove everyone wrong know it all dorks & you know nothing so you just make it up .
back in the day i got my first bike in 86, KR250. man, for half a 500, it was a weapon. never rode a 500 2stroke, but my mind did every moto gp race day watching gardner, schwanz, rainey, freddy, and the gang scream those things around the tracks. i was offered a RZ500 not running a few years back. i still kick my own ass for not jumping on that deal.
I had a rd500 back in 1995......
That was a bike
Ist bike 1982 rd350Lc, 2nd bike 1984 Rz 350, 3rd bike 1985 Rz500. 4th bike 2009 Harley Davidson Nignt Train. The 2 strokes were all fun to ride.
Number two is crazy smoking in the video
For me it is the Bimota ❤
It was worked out that 99% of top rider spent less than 2% of the race at full throttle.. no joke.
I lost interest with Moto GP and motocross when the four strokes took over, two strokes were something very unique and special to witness, I miss them a great deal in professional racing.
The gotta bring 2 stroke back :(
I keep trying to hit the like button damit
Nicely done! ⭐
Moto GP Riders can’t ride these bikes? These were also Moto GP bikes. Valentino Rossi was Champion on a 2 stroke bike.
What bike?
@@KAOSshortyripHonda NSR 500.
Quelle belle musique, que le bruit d'un 2 temps !
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When driving? It’s a motorcycle, not a car. You ride motorbikes.
In North america, wr have snowmobiles with 1000cc twins and tripples 2 strokes. . .Theses engines would make fast bikes no ? ?🤣
Ya what bout that
They would pretty much unrideable but i would love to swing my leg on a motorcycle with two cr500 motors... 😂😂
@@2strokediaries Could be somewhat similar to the old TZ 750 of the 1970. . . . . Bog....bog...bog..bog than explosion, straigt up with the rear tire spinning madly 😨🤣. . . look fora race in 1993 or was it 1983 🤔 , Randy Mamola and Kenny Roberts. . on their YZF 680 cc
@@michelbrown1060 TZ750 was quite manageable. I also raced it with TZ250 cylinder blocks in the 500 class, same power as the 750 but because the lack of reed valves the powerband was more narrow and very peaky, the throttle was almost like a light switch. Didn't have a chance against a RG500 coming out of the corners.
Ihr fahrt ja auch nicht auf der Strecke
Massive ! Love this video, thx
did you know a warm well tuned 2 stroke doesn't smoke very much, unless deliberately tuned rich to cool/and lubricate a race engine. did you miss the Kenny Roberts Yamaha yz-750 about 185/200 hp. Kenny said after racing once in 1974 on a mile dirt track and winning they don't pay me enough to ride that motorcycle again.
More likely 110-115 horses.
You missed Kenny Robert's two stroke Flat Track Yamaha.
But they did mention the TZ750, which was the basis for the one-off Fter
You missed to mention the YZR500 and the RGV500 Racebikes competing with the NSR 500 series of GP-bikes
Bimota is sweeeet ❤
Totally agree!
You forget the Cagiva C593 and C594 and also Aprila RSW-2 500
I can smell the video
I guess age has to have some benefit. Being an old fart, i've had the pleasure of riding a Yamaha RZ 500, owning a Suzuki RG500, a TZ 250, and riding a Honda NSR250. These things were commonplace, back in the 80's and 90's. You need to have deep pockets to own one, now. Christ...back then, my KTM was white, from the factory!!!! Unheard of.
BZM and Polini produce 50cc pocketbike racers that produce 17 hp which is impressive when you scale it up to 500cc.
Nice video! Maybe you could put the year at graphics too…but I like!
Ok thanks!
❤Sutter❤ Swiss Power 💪
One t
Freddie Spencer single handedly put Honda on the # 1 position in the 2 stroke race. Has anyone done what he did in 1985?
Thanks
What about Suzuki GT 750 or race version TR 750?
Raced the rg500 in the eighties, before all of this new teq, spent many of weeks in the hospital I've broke 37 Bones on the rg and still have one, getting older now and the bones rattle but we still get out there, don't they consider the rotary a two stroke? That Norton is the one i want to mount,
I dont think rotaries have strokes, but they are similar to 2 strokes because these engines produce 1 power stroke every revolution of the crank
@@2strokeexhaust122 I know they don't, I just thought they classified it as a 2 stroke,had one in a snowmobile 20 years ago,if it started and if,,,it was a beast up top,,,
@@jeffstratton8838 ex-TZ750 racer here. Actually it's more like a 3 stroke ,1 rotation of the rotor resulting in three combustion phases. The internal 1 to 3 gearing of the rotor will increase this to 1 rotation of the centre shaft/combustion cycle.
@@dutchsailor6620 I know how it works I was wondering if they classified it as a 2 stroke, they classified it as something to get it off the track it was eating 750s for breakfast, I didn't know if they classified as a two-stroke or recalibrated the bore to get it out of the class
@@jeffstratton8838 I think that nobody wanted to burn his fingers by classifying an engine that was so open to different interpretation, like : how to determine displacement and is this measured by a rotation of the rotor or rotation of the shaft? The outcome could be manipulated by changing the rotor gear ratio. Can of worms. Maybe some background history of the Norton rotary racer can clarify things.
Wonderful 🥰
Langen. Show us a dyno run!!!! My guess is that on a real good day it would make 65hp. What are your service intervals?
On the RG 500 all the special tools for the RGB racer fit the street bike too !
I just want to try one. I kinda liking the rg500r but damn 20k
4:13 bro them power wheelies past 1st place is just showing off
Stuck a 120Hp Kawasaki H2 in a tiny little KH 500 frame " 10 secound bike , Scary times back then ""
Wow!
Kumpulan motor 2 stroke yg boros gasoline, akan tetapi sangat cepat lajunya ..🏍️🏍️🏍️💨💨💨
@martabakrasabatubara - When Yamaha introduced the power valve system, generally fuel efficiency went from 30 mpg to 45 mpg - which is a BIG jump!
But high rpm
Zabel 700ccm 80 HP
1 Zylinder.
For Moto Cross SideCars
What about the Cagiva GP500?
Interesting take...I totally missed that one.
Ah the RG 500... What a bike... Rode my mates one back in 86"...
The Kawsaki racer was in many respects a homage to Eric Offenstadt
Gotta say the front end of the NSR500 shown here might look a little familiar to us Aprilia RSV 1000 RR owners.
Sports bike NOT race bikes!!!!!!!! Where was the widow maker H2750 Mach IV??? That was the quickest bike of it's time and started the Japanese revolution of high powered sports bikes.
🐝🏁Great video 👍 thanks for sharing 👌 new subscriber
Could doohans' bike be ridden "new style" shoulders and elbows down? What a beautiful machine.
Pure best bike Nevers créate ✌️
Two Stroke Yamaha inline 4! :)
Whats the cylinder look like on that soter
Have You forgetten my Aprilia Red Rose 125 water cooled and Rotax consumtions.
Bayangkan kita generai X kembali ke era moto gp yang menggunakan mesin 2 lejang.. Rindu dengan bunyinya setiap kali pelumba melalui laluan lurus.. Jangan lupa Valentino rossi dengan aprillia 125 2 lejang
Most of these are not sportbikes but are pure race bikes...
NSR500......Reason I started watching moto gp
The last one the Honda NSX thats it!
I wont every 1 of them so bad ass i would never haft to put front tires on them !!
Which one has the cheapest price
You don’t drive a bike, it doesn’t have a steering wheel. Like a horse, you throw your leg over it, you ride it.
Impressive! But not one of these riders would punch my Kawasaki 750 widow maker through the gears! They would crap their pants!
NSR 500 was unbeatable
What's the speed of nsr 500 in every gear?
This changes depending on the track it raced on
Am in love
Yamaha RX king/ RD135
I rode a Honda ns400, and it was the most gutless hunk of crap I have ever ridden!!! Was not impressed with it at all!
Blue smoker 😊
❤ ✌🏻 stroke
I had an RZ250. Fast but spaghetti forks and frame.
No Cagiva ?
gokil dude
….smells fast 💥
Cada vez que veo levantarse el eje delantero...❤
There were 195 hp RD 500s in the early 90s.
I should have bought one of those bikes instead of my CYBERBEAST! Although I will probably live longer to drive the’Beast.