I am amazed at how many do-it-yourself cleat/bike fit videos there are, and how many AI phone based fitting systems have popped up. The idea is that bike or cleat position is simple enough to do by yourself because the bike is a pretty simple machine, and how hard can it be tou mount cleats on the bottom of your shoes? The truth is that bike fitting has to do with interfacing a human body with that simple machine. The machine has good quality control, the human body doesn’t. A good bike fitter spends years learning about variations from on person to the next or even from right side to left. Example: cycling is the worst case for a condition called Morten’s Neuroma. Unlike walking where there is heel strike and role-out, cycling puts all of the pressure at the ball of the foot. A common first step in resolving the problem is moving the cleats back, or moving the metatarsal line forward, past the point of pivot. There are lots of videos just on moving the cleat back, here’s what they don’t tell you: you have a lifetime of pushing off the ball of your foot, that motor skill doesn’t change at will. Moving the cleat back can change the angle of the shoe under force, going toes down. You don’t know that until you get on a bike and start pedaling - something most cleat videos leave out. Going toes down changes lots of things up the chain, from forward pressure on the ball of the foot to blood delivery restriction by the shoe to tension on the tibialis anterior, to tension angle of the patellar tendon. So, you’ve caused four problems, solved none…
Question- the spindle is straight. The line from the first MTP joint to the fifth is on a diagonal. Wouldn’t that make the heels kick out if you want the spindle under both? What do you do if you can’t adjust the cleat to get the right position? New shoes?
Should I take into account foot size discrepancy? My first metatarsals on my left and right legs are 4 mm apart. Should I set the right cleat 4 mm forward (the longer foot)? Thanks!
Amazes me how people head out and buy the most expensive items and yet for a few hundred quid frawn at a bike fit... spend thousands yet baulk at the price of a set of S-Works Turbo Cottons... no logic! I get a Retül Fit every 2 years and always if getting a new bike as a matter of course spending thousands and not getting a proper fit for me is plain madness…
Is the axle supposed to sit perpendicular to the heal or is it a bit slanted? because the 2 bones are not at the same level, as the big toe bone is a bit higher so essentially the axle would need to sit on a slant across the foot which means that the cleat would not be directly perpendicular but also slanted in order to accommodatethe path of the axle.It's a bit confusing to me. am I right?
The pedal spindle should sit between the first and fifth metatarsal. Regarding toe, whether you need to set them toe in, toe out or no toe, it depends on your gait. My gait has no toe, so I set my cleats to point my feet straight (no toe setup).
@@hansanders4983 It's in-line with what I said, the first metatarsal is the inner ball of the foot and with the spindle between the two metatarsals, it's definitely a few mm behind the first.
@@pgreenx That depends on your gait's toe, whether you walk toe in, toe out or no toe. As of my latest fit, my bike fitter saw that I have a very slight toe out gait, so mine were set up so that my toes point outward just ever so slightly.
@@djdelarosa25 You right, it didn't cross my mind but I have advanced on my mtb from this channel. I have a bad habit of assuming everyone rides all disciplines. That was pretty good to catch that :D
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I am amazed at how many do-it-yourself cleat/bike fit videos there are, and how many AI phone based fitting systems have popped up. The idea is that bike or cleat position is simple enough to do by yourself because the bike is a pretty simple machine, and how hard can it be tou mount cleats on the bottom of your shoes? The truth is that bike fitting has to do with interfacing a human body with that simple machine. The machine has good quality control, the human body doesn’t. A good bike fitter spends years learning about variations from on person to the next or even from right side to left.
Example: cycling is the worst case for a condition called Morten’s Neuroma. Unlike walking where there is heel strike and role-out, cycling puts all of the pressure at the ball of the foot. A common first step in resolving the problem is moving the cleats back, or moving the metatarsal line forward, past the point of pivot. There are lots of videos just on moving the cleat back, here’s what they don’t tell you: you have a lifetime of pushing off the ball of your foot, that motor skill doesn’t change at will. Moving the cleat back can change the angle of the shoe under force, going toes down. You don’t know that until you get on a bike and start pedaling - something most cleat videos leave out. Going toes down changes lots of things up the chain, from forward pressure on the ball of the foot to blood delivery restriction by the shoe to tension on the tibialis anterior, to tension angle of the patellar tendon. So, you’ve caused four problems, solved none…
Love the Lost Workshop! Great maker!
Thankyou sm!! Currently planning on buying cleats
Thanks for the content
Question- the spindle is straight. The line from the first MTP joint to the fifth is on a diagonal. Wouldn’t that make the heels kick out if you want the spindle under both? What do you do if you can’t adjust the cleat to get the right position? New shoes?
Should I take into account foot size discrepancy? My first metatarsals on my left and right legs are 4 mm apart. Should I set the right cleat 4 mm forward (the longer foot)? Thanks!
Amazes me how people head out and buy the most expensive items and yet for a few hundred quid frawn at a bike fit... spend thousands yet baulk at the price of a set of S-Works Turbo Cottons... no logic! I get a Retül Fit every 2 years and always if getting a new bike as a matter of course spending thousands and not getting a proper fit for me is plain madness…
Is the axle supposed to sit perpendicular to the heal or is it a bit slanted? because the 2 bones are not at the same level, as the big toe bone is a bit higher so essentially the axle would need to sit on a slant across the foot which means that the cleat would not be directly perpendicular but also slanted in order to accommodatethe path of the axle.It's a bit confusing to me. am I right?
The pedal spindle should sit between the first and fifth metatarsal.
Regarding toe, whether you need to set them toe in, toe out or no toe, it depends on your gait. My gait has no toe, so I set my cleats to point my feet straight (no toe setup).
@@hansanders4983 It's in-line with what I said, the first metatarsal is the inner ball of the foot and with the spindle between the two metatarsals, it's definitely a few mm behind the first.
@@yonglingng5640 so the cleat is slanted ?
@@pgreenx That depends on your gait's toe, whether you walk toe in, toe out or no toe. As of my latest fit, my bike fitter saw that I have a very slight toe out gait, so mine were set up so that my toes point outward just ever so slightly.
WOOHOOO!
In my day all we had was bear claw pedals. Delivered newspapers all summer barefooted and didn't whine about metatarsals either, Lol!
What will be range for tire pressure?
I'd rather dial in suspension anyday than cleat position.
This isn't for mountain bikers.
@@djdelarosa25 You right, it didn't cross my mind but I have advanced on my mtb from this channel. I have a bad habit of assuming everyone rides all disciplines. That was pretty good to catch that :D
Why not both???
that dude is not a climber