I echo what the previous commenter said. Your talking through your thoughts as you shoot, fully illustrates the technique and is incredibly helpful to all of us novices. On another topic, I have learned more from you about working up loads and barrel, harmonics in a few videos than many hours of reading and studying books. You are an excellent instructor.
Well… the needsmore still needs more! Looks like a sunshade tube would help you in that glare. This illustration also hints at why heavy barreled 6’s are so popular… spotting ur misses is critical! I really enjoyed this Erik. This is excellent content for us novice shooters. Ur the best man… Bravo!
What a great video! Spot on and really emphazes the importance if shooting a cartridge that allows you to see your impacts! Thanks for being so transparent all the time Eric You're a good man
That's awesome I use a primary arms mil/mil 4-14x44 ffp on a rem 700 sps tactical 308. I love my scope and reticle. I'm no competition shooter but I appreciate your videos.
The last shot of the first string of fire, I watched the bullet trace go high. It's hard to see, but you can watch it go just over. That is always cool to watch!
Thanks for sharing. I've only started shooting abou a year and half, 66 years of age maybe to late to get really good at it. Having a blast learning and good friends to help. My second precision rifle is on its way.
It´s a great video of how to use a mil reticle, but nothing has to do with focal planes cause if you do it in a second plane scope in the right setting(usually max) you gonna obtain the same results, maybe if you change power of the scope you can explain first and second focal plane.Have a nice one!
I've had some rough days with glare at my local range, just like you were experiencing... One range faced due east and from 9:00 to 11:00 am you might as well just leave and get something to eat. Even with the sun shade on the scope it was near impossible to see your target even at 100.
As someone else said, ffp doesnt matter at all if you are just using your ticks for reference at the same mag lvl. Where it really matters is when your dialing dope at different zoom levels or giving data to someone else. Otherwise great video. Sorry for being pedantic
Not sure if it is possible, but a shotmarker frame in front of the KYL rack would provide some interesting data after each shooter on these challenges. We could see where the bullets actually went vs where we think they went based on the video.
I love this KYL series. I’ve been playing along at 1/4 scale with a 22 and a 1/2” target at 125 yds is pretty spicy. Heck of a good challenge. I can’t imagine trying it with irons… you’d basically be shooting at where you think the target is because I can’t see them that far.
@@ErikCortina😂😂😂 sub-half minute iron shooters. I think old timers like that won’t be interested in the money you’re offering to come shoot it. Besides they don’t need the money cause they don’t have to buy optics. I think the offer you’d have to make to get someone to shoot the KYL with irons is for you to shoot F-Class with irons only for a set period of time. But that would be fun to see no matter what. I’ve got a Quigley rifle I’d happily loan you to shoot F-Class with.
Well done Erik ,like they say some people can read and do and others can see and do, so much better with a camera on the scope to explain after a shot has been made and like they say wind calls are so much harder to make at around 300 to 1,000 yards ,sure you can see the mirage coming from right to left, but the speed is based on the waves that you see and because it was gusting as well, you have to wit till it dies down to send it and hope the wind does not gust as the projectile travels to the target, cheers 👍👍🦘🦘✌✌👌👌
I find that with KYL time is typically not a factor. After I correct my windage from shooting the first plate I only shoot when the wind conditions appear to be the same. That may mean putting your foot on the gas OR waiting until the last second for a gust to die down. Most shooters are impatient on KYL and rip them
For training and video purposes, maybe put white paper target behind the small ones. I understand it's all part of the game normally though. Great video.
Thanks for the video! I have been starting reloading and want to get into prs. This was extremely helpful along with the rest of your videos you create! Thanks! I have been looking into a similar setup as the one you have in this video, but chambered in probably a 243 with a 1/7 or 1/8 twist, how did you like that chassis? Would it work to get started?
Once again, great video. How you explain things is so helpful. Saw a few mentioned a sunshade. I thought that too; i have one on every scope. Is there a reason you dont use one? Thank you!
What calibre are ya shooting it’s rock steady and no recall, could you do a actual video like this on how to calculate MOA for bullet drop with factory ammo theirs so much info but not clear like your demonstration like this it’s so clear to actually make out, 👍🏻🇮🇪
I would like to come down and try your challenge. I think it would be fun and very informative. I enjoy the videos, shoot straight and keep them coming!
Is there a reason you don’t use small strips of plastic ribbons. As wind indicators I mean I have no clue just curious. This way you may know the wind direction and speed.
Is that a camera mounted on your scope? Thanks for the information i love learning new techniques. I've never used a mil scope but I like learning how they work.
Hey Erik! Would you consider making a video over what reloading equipment you use nowadays?? Curious to see your logic behind your tools and what they are.
Eric, could you start the shooters clock on the report of the first shot something like, "shooter ready" (response yes) "fire" or "send it" then clock starts at the shot. The game is so different now, i mean what the heck.
When you aimed at the edge of the next smaller target, was it not more that the target was smaller (makes the hold over smaller) then the wind picking up? Just a thought
Ok I know I’m no expert….but they all looked high to me on the misses and the center on each target is progressively higher than the center previously. So wouldn’t it make sense if you’re still holding center to miss high?
I was like dont try to tell me this is the actual view through the gun lol. Then u showed the actual view, i was thinking no one on earth is that steady lol
It doesn’t affect the clarity much, but it takes up some of the eye relief space up. Once you start running it you’ll get used to it. Triggercam 2.1 is my preferred one.
I would actually prefer a quality SFP scope for this; think Vortex Golden Eagle HD 15-60×56 with the ECR-1 (MOA) reticle. Delightful video with great content as always.
To each their own. I would never pick a SFP over a FFP when I’m using reticle to hold off. I need the flexibility of being able to move power ring if needed to find a target.
@@ErikCortina Neither would I, sir. You are also under a time limit, so hold-offs are a must. I should have clarified my personal preference with the previously mentioned scope/reticle combo was being in that you are shooting target(s) at a known distance and assuming you are sighted in for that distance. If that's the case, then you only have one true target with any relevance, and that's the smallest one. It's not like you don't already know this so no disrespect is intended here, just my thoughts. Take away the time limit, and I've got a 6mm Norma BR from the Savage custom shop that we used (past tense because my health and eyesight are simply not much to brag about anymore) to enjoy shooting golf balls at 600 yards and clay pigeons at 1000 with relative ease using the previously mentioned scope/reticle combo to either hold or dial for wind when sighted in for that distance. Obviously, a good quality FFP scope with a proper reticle is always going to be the preferred choice for most people. I have an Athlon Cronus mounted on my "old" 6.5-284 Norma that my sons swear by 😉
I feel like most people dont use that first target to see how far off they are from their hold. Theres a lot of data available there with that target being that big. They just see a hit and move on.
I learned more in 10 minutes than I have reading about it for hours. It was great to actually see what you were doing! Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
Great content. Glad to see you sharing your knowledge when many don't. Thanks for your kind heart.
I appreciate that!
I echo what the previous commenter said. Your talking through your thoughts as you shoot, fully illustrates the technique and is incredibly helpful to all of us novices. On another topic, I have learned more from you about working up loads and barrel, harmonics in a few videos than many hours of reading and studying books. You are an excellent instructor.
Thank you
Well… the needsmore still needs more!
Looks like a sunshade tube would help you in that glare.
This illustration also hints at why heavy barreled 6’s are so popular… spotting ur misses is critical!
I really enjoyed this Erik. This is excellent content for us novice shooters. Ur the best man… Bravo!
This video was very helpful. Would love to see more like it.
Glad it was helpful!
Erik, glad to see you enjoying yourself. Kai
Thank you for sharing. People have no idea how tough that really is.
You are so welcome
What a great video! Spot on and really emphazes the importance if shooting a cartridge that allows you to see your impacts! Thanks for being so transparent all the time Eric You're a good man
Thank you.
Awesome Awesome Awesome wind hold explained in 10 mins and understood Awesome job. Thanks.
That's awesome I use a primary arms mil/mil 4-14x44 ffp on a rem 700 sps tactical 308. I love my scope and reticle. I'm no competition shooter but I appreciate your videos.
Thank you
This is a great video showing how to mil targets. Erik helped me with this and way more on his forum.
Thank you
The last shot of the first string of fire, I watched the bullet trace go high. It's hard to see, but you can watch it go just over. That is always cool to watch!
Yeah, on the camera it was easy to see. Through scope with glare it was tough.
@@ErikCortina I believe it. It's so hard to see that in the scope. But the camera shot was great!!
Thanks for sharing. I've only started shooting abou a year and half, 66 years of age maybe to late to get really good at it. Having a blast learning and good friends to help.
My second precision rifle is on its way.
Very nice. Congratulations.
Wow! that was excellent demo..... thanks Erik.
Glad you liked it!
I hope that you had fun doing this because we had fun watching you do your work
I did. Thank you.
It´s a great video of how to use a mil reticle, but nothing has to do with focal planes cause if you do it in a second plane scope in the right setting(usually max) you gonna obtain the same results, maybe if you change power of the scope you can explain first and second focal plane.Have a nice one!
I've had some rough days with glare at my local range, just like you were experiencing... One range faced due east and from 9:00 to 11:00 am you might as well just leave and get something to eat. Even with the sun shade on the scope it was near impossible to see your target even at 100.
If you are confident in your system, is there an advantage to shooting the largest target first, and then shooting the smallest to avoid mirage
You can run it in reverse for double the points. That’s on my challenge. All others you have to start at the big one and work your way down.
Amazing, can't wait to get to the range to practice the knowledge shared. Thank you!!!!!!!!
Have fun!
Thanks for sharing. Knowledge is power.
Your doing a great job. Will try and get down there to try my hand.
As someone else said, ffp doesnt matter at all if you are just using your ticks for reference at the same mag lvl. Where it really matters is when your dialing dope at different zoom levels or giving data to someone else. Otherwise great video. Sorry for being pedantic
Not sure if it is possible, but a shotmarker frame in front of the KYL rack would provide some interesting data after each shooter on these challenges. We could see where the bullets actually went vs where we think they went based on the video.
Love the idea of using windage over cross hair center for small targets
Thank you.
@@ErikCortina actually a big THANK YOU for giving us all a different point of view
I love this KYL series. I’ve been playing along at 1/4 scale with a 22 and a 1/2” target at 125 yds is pretty spicy. Heck of a good challenge.
I can’t imagine trying it with irons… you’d basically be shooting at where you think the target is because I can’t see them that far.
Psst, they did it all the time back in the day.
@@ErikCortina😂😂😂 sub-half minute iron shooters. I think old timers like that won’t be interested in the money you’re offering to come shoot it. Besides they don’t need the money cause they don’t have to buy optics. I think the offer you’d have to make to get someone to shoot the KYL with irons is for you to shoot F-Class with irons only for a set period of time.
But that would be fun to see no matter what. I’ve got a Quigley rifle I’d happily loan you to shoot F-Class with.
That was so helpful after watching the last two matches where the other people had difficulty with the last two targets.
Thanks.
The camera view really distorts the difficulty. It's much more relatable when you realize #5 is sub-MoA (4") and #6 is
Thank you for producing these!
Glad you like them!
Why would you not use a sun shade on the scope as your view seems to be getting glare. Good info.
Really great video. You packed a lot if useful info into these 10 min.
Glad it was helpful!
thanks a bunch, this was greatly appreciated.
Good lord, thank you sincerely for the knowledge
Well done Erik ,like they say some people can read and do and others can see and do, so much better with a camera on the scope to explain after a shot has been made and like they say wind calls are so much harder to make at around 300 to 1,000 yards ,sure you can see the mirage coming from right to left, but the speed is based on the waves that you see and because it was gusting as well, you have to wit till it dies down to send it and hope the wind does not gust as the projectile travels to the target, cheers 👍👍🦘🦘✌✌👌👌
I find that with KYL time is typically not a factor. After I correct my windage from shooting the first plate I only shoot when the wind conditions appear to be the same. That may mean putting your foot on the gas OR waiting until the last second for a gust to die down. Most shooters are impatient on KYL and rip them
It looked like it was going 1/10 high on the 7th gong, but all in all it’s pretty good Erik, and thank you for replying back to my email mate.
Thank you, Eric!
I’m more impressed with how the scope didn’t jump on the shot.
Would a sun shade have helped?
Yes, but I didn’t have in me. I use them on my other rifles.
Gotta make a video of you and Jason black jack with needmoor #1 and needmoor #2
you made it so simple. thank you
For training and video purposes, maybe put white paper target behind the small ones. I understand it's all part of the game normally though. Great video.
Huge help. Many thanks. Good stuff.
Glad it helped!
What scope camera do you use?
Thanks for the helpful info as always Erik!
You bet!
Thanks for the video! I have been starting reloading and want to get into prs. This was extremely helpful along with the rest of your videos you create! Thanks! I have been looking into a similar setup as the one you have in this video, but chambered in probably a 243 with a 1/7 or 1/8 twist, how did you like that chassis? Would it work to get started?
Yes, chassis would absolutely work to get started.
I learn each time I see your videos thank you so much too
Happy to hear that!
Once again, great video. How you explain things is so helpful. Saw a few mentioned a sunshade. I thought that too; i have one on every scope. Is there a reason you dont use one? Thank you!
I use them but this is not my main rifle. I just happened to have it at the range with me and decided to shoot this video. My other rifles have them.
You cant shoot what you cant see! Sunshades definitely help. @@ErikCortina
What calibre are ya shooting it’s rock steady and no recall, could you do a actual video like this on how to calculate MOA for bullet drop with factory ammo theirs so much info but not clear like your demonstration like this it’s so clear to actually make out, 👍🏻🇮🇪
Thats not the actual scope cam footage. He says that in the beginning.
This was not the scope camera. It’s a video camera with reticle over it.
I would like to come down and try your challenge. I think it would be fun and very informative. I enjoy the videos, shoot straight and keep them coming!
Shoot me an email.
Is there a reason you don’t use small strips of plastic ribbons. As wind indicators I mean I have no clue just curious. This way you may know the wind direction and speed.
Is that a camera mounted on your scope? Thanks for the information i love learning new techniques. I've never used a mil scope but I like learning how they work.
Hey Erik! Would you consider making a video over what reloading equipment you use nowadays?? Curious to see your logic behind your tools and what they are.
I believe I have that on my members forum already.
@@ErikCortina Ah, man. I'm not subscribed to the forum, but I guess I will be now, haha. Thank ya.
Where did all the open sights folks go?
🤷♂️😁
Great and very informative video Erik, thank you very much!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video thanks Eric
You’re welcome.
Thanks for the knowledge, like everyone said " I learn a lot"
Is that the mk5hd you have in your rifle?
Kahles K318
Hello Erik, thanks for the tips !
Do you have any rule of thumb for what magnification to use at known distances ?
Cheers from France !
I don't
Eric, could you start the shooters clock on the report of the first shot something like, "shooter ready" (response yes) "fire" or "send it" then clock starts at the shot. The game is so different now, i mean what the heck.
Love it. Thanks for the the visual tips
You're so welcome!
More videos like this!
Also got a follow up on the needmores?
Soon. Thank you.
Thanks ! that was very helpful.. What size Targets are you using out @ 500 ??
12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2
I’m ready to try now. Put me in coach!
Send it!
Great demo Erik
Thank you
Always the best videos!
Glad you like them!
Erik u like the mil in tents better than moa
GR8 VIDEO THNX LUV THE BLACKJACK SERIES 🎯🎯
Thank you.
Looks like good advice.
That was great thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
That target rack would be great to have
When you aimed at the edge of the next smaller target, was it not more that the target was smaller (makes the hold over smaller) then the wind picking up? Just a thought
🤷♂️
@@ErikCortina was it you are not sure , with the hands up little person? Lol
I didn’t understand your question.
Cute pose at the end. Maybe the cover of Mr. December on the next cortina precision calendars 😂😂
Great idea!! 😂
Ok I know I’m no expert….but they all looked high to me on the misses and the center on each target is progressively higher than the center previously. So wouldn’t it make sense if you’re still holding center to miss high?
Yes
On your Blackjack target series, how many shots do you have within the time limit? Thanks
12 shots in 2 minutes.
@@ErikCortina Thank you so much
that was cray tiny accurate! imagine that at 500 yd... wow!
I was like dont try to tell me this is the actual view through the gun lol. Then u showed the actual view, i was thinking no one on earth is that steady lol
How do you like the trigger cam? Have you had it long? Does it affect the clarity of the scope very much?
It doesn’t affect the clarity much, but it takes up some of the eye relief space up.
Once you start running it you’ll get used to it.
Triggercam 2.1 is my preferred one.
I saw that you replied. But I could not figure out how to read it? Sorry!
I would actually prefer a quality SFP scope for this; think Vortex Golden Eagle HD 15-60×56 with the ECR-1 (MOA) reticle. Delightful video with great content as always.
To each their own. I would never pick a SFP over a FFP when I’m using reticle to hold off. I need the flexibility of being able to move power ring if needed to find a target.
@@ErikCortina Neither would I, sir. You are also under a time limit, so hold-offs are a must. I should have clarified my personal preference with the previously mentioned scope/reticle combo was being in that you are shooting target(s) at a known distance and assuming you are sighted in for that distance. If that's the case, then you only have one true target with any relevance, and that's the smallest one. It's not like you don't already know this so no disrespect is intended here, just my thoughts. Take away the time limit, and I've got a 6mm Norma BR from the Savage custom shop that we used (past tense because my health and eyesight are simply not much to brag about anymore) to enjoy shooting golf balls at 600 yards and clay pigeons at 1000 with relative ease using the previously mentioned scope/reticle combo to either hold or dial for wind when sighted in for that distance. Obviously, a good quality FFP scope with a proper reticle is always going to be the preferred choice for most people. I have an Athlon Cronus mounted on my "old" 6.5-284 Norma that my sons swear by 😉
Hell ya I want to try
What did the new barrel do for the accuracy.
I feel like most people dont use that first target to see how far off they are from their hold. Theres a lot of data available there with that target being that big. They just see a hit and move on.
Adrenaline starts pumping and it gets hard to think.
Dude do you even breathe? It’s amazing how you keep that translating to your shot. I’ve a lot to learn.
lol, this is a simulation.
It’s camera footage with crosshairs super imposed over it. Camera footage was not usable.
Does the barrel warp as you fire? Or it's the wind?
Wind
So the guy who shot the challenge from small target to bigger target is pretty good then?
Nice work, thanks. Subbed.
Welcome!
Now this video helped me so much. Showing and explaining it to me .thank you. Great for us idot beginners. Lol
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video
Glad you liked it
A sun shade might have helped.
I know, but I didn’t have one on me.
What was your zoom set at ?
18
Very nice 🙂
just curious what power level you were on??
18x
Good stuff
Glad you enjoyed
How many yards .?
500
6,5 ned more
Un video muy instructivo
Gracias.
Looks easy till you cant spot those shots! Good learning showcase for people out there
Thanks 👍
This is going to get lots of 'thumbs up' votes.
👍well
Why are you using spotting scope footage with a fake reticle instead of the actual triggercam?
He showed why in the video. Did you even watch? You couldn't even see the targets with the scope cam footage due to glare.
Trust me, I would have preferred to use scope cam footage but it was unusable.
Should’ve used your iron sights Erik! It’s way easier, the scope was messing with you😂
😂
why was your actual view so blurry and washed out?? is that because you are going through the scope camera??
Yes, and because the sun was in front of me. The camera added a few additional layers of glass that made the glare worse.