NHL cancelling themed warm-up jerseys is a direct result of media focusing on the 6 or so players, rather than ignoring them and focusing on the cause and everyone participating. I remember SDP spending tens of minutes talking about those few players. I don't remember SDP spending at least 99x as much time talking about the success of themed nights (pride etc.). SDP is one of the culprits in this mess.
I think it might be short sighted of Adam to assume it was just about 6 guys who had a problem with the pride jerseys. Obviously it’s bigger than that for the league to stop wearing all cause based jerseys. I think there are probably quite a few players who didn’t want to wear it but didn’t want the negative social media attention. Just remember how toxic the hockey culture can be it wasn’t long ago at all players were calling each other f*****t on the ice. That mentality doesn’t just disappear overnight, even if a lot of us hope that it did.
And who's to say that they didn't look over at what's happening with Bud Light and Target? Not picking a side and just playing for the sport is probably the best way for both sides to not get annoyed that one is favored more than another.
Best special warmup jersey is easily the oilers turtle island logo ones, it looks so good thar if it was a legit jersey not just warmup I would have bought it
With Calgary, the simple reason why all these players want out is that they do not think they’ll be able to win a cup there. This is one of the few times in their career where they can dictate what team they wish to play for and they may see themselves as the missing piece for another franchise. They just watched Tkachuk help drag the Panthers to the finals after he made the same pitch.
Do we honestly think the jerseys are going away because half a dozen players didn't want to wear them, or is it more likely they are going away because the media took a story about six players not wanting to wear them and turned it into this massive news cycle thing trying to shame them and paint the NHL overall because of it? I love Steve, Adam, and Jess but you guys were just as guilty of this focusing on a few individuals and devoting massive airtime to saying how disappointing or terrible it was instead of putting even a quarter of that time into covering the POSITIVE side of those events and showcasing the good those nights and jerseys do. Should the NHL have just taken their ball (puck) and gone home - no but lets be honest about why it's happening - they don't want the bad press and every time a single player doesn't want to "comply" with a social issue. You can't mandate this on the players and you can't keep the press from turning an anthill into a mountain so they decided to just avoid the issue altogether. The media is the reason this has happened, the drive for clicks and outrage is what caused this to happen, not the choices of 6 players. (to be clear i'll happily wear a pride jersey incase anyone is thinking I"m against the cause for any reason)
If a player could just do something and not have the big. YOU GUYS IN THE MEDIA ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THE PLAYERS. IF THE MEDIA HAD SHUT IT'S MOUTH AND said oh that is too be fine but you had to BLOW IT UP. Ask Bud light how pushing LGTBQ are doing. This is an owners thing also that the NHLPA agreed with.
You claim to not be against the cause, yet you're missing the entire point of why people had issues with it in the first place. If you were a true ally, you wouldn't be talking over LGBTQ fans that have an issue with how behind the NHL is. Alas, you think you know everything when you really don't.
I'd have to disagree with the guys that it was just 6 guys that caused this change by the NHL. Realistically, I think it was the response to the 6 guys refusing to wear the jersey that is the true rationale for cutting the pregame jerseys. The story about those 6 guys and the social media responses were overwhelming and the events themselves completely overshadowed. The NHL is a business; they want to make money and avoid any PR nightmares which the coverage became. Same thing with the sponsors they just want the brands in your face for neutral or good reasons. Last years response to the different players not wearing the jerseys entirely eliminated any of the good media about the events. It was the equivalent of throwing a party and everyone being pissed off that one guy wasn't enjoying himself at the party. Instead of focusing on how fun it was they focused on why that person wasn't enjoying himself. Then they went to the host and said "that guys not having fun, make him have fun or Im not going to enjoy it" and then talked exclusively for weeks after about how the party wasn't fun because that one guy ruined it. So its really not surprising that the NHL said well if were going to get nothing but backlash for weeks during the season if any singular player doesn't wear this jersey. Why just not host the party, take the lumps in the offseason and then not have it be an ongoing issue. The NHL should absolutely be a positive space for people of different ethnicites, beliefs, genders etc. but people trying to force feed their beliefs on these individuals to get a morale victory rather then enjoying and experiencing the 99% of people there supporting the event. Is in my opinion the rationale for this decision.
Six players didn't do away with the Pride jerseys. YOU media types did. You have no one to blame but yourselves for this. When Provorov QUIETLY decided to skip the warmup for his own, personal religious beliefs, it was YOU who immediately began sharpening your pitchforks, clutching your pearls, and screeching to high heaven about how Provorov had just declared war on the LGBT movement and single-handedly dragged us all back into the 50s. Because of your stink, the NHL had to point out - correctly - that the players are not bound to support every single initiative that their teams do. It is simply not part of their contract, or the NHL would have said so. But that didn't appease you. YOU wanted blood. The fact that 99.9% of the players wore the jersey wasn't enough for you. Faced with this potential headache next season, it seems Bettman has gone full scorched-earth, reasoning (correctly, in my opinion) that while the media may lose its mind for a month or two about this, it will have all died down by the start of the next season and NHL viewership will not suffer for it. These are hockey players with their own personal beliefs, politics, etc. They are not mindless billboards for the social justice flavour of the month.
As a Latino hockey fan, who has had my fair share of racial issues. I’m glad they don’t do the jerseys for ANYONE any more. I don’t feel more included if there’s a “Latin night.” It’s honestly kind of awkward. All I want is to go to a game and cheer for my team next to some other fans and be left alone. I don’t need people to wave my flag or sing a Spanish song or anything. And I don’t understand why general society thinks smashing things in everyone’s face over and over and over again will make the ones who actually are jerks just go “you’re right I’m wrong.” And all this stuff about “raise awareness”…… I mean come on…..everyone is aware. If you like the game of hockey, come to a game. Sit next to me, cheer for our team. Scream at the refs. Chant it’s the goalies fault. If you like the game don’t let a few dark spots ruin the whole thing. Go see a game and don’t give a crap who thinks what.
Yep, what you just said. I go to watch the game. It’s a good season if we hit .500. I’m way more concerned about if we ever play defense this decade. Most people are pretty chill.
I normally dont agree with Bettman but on the jersey thing I do agree. The night became about who wasn't wearing the jersey instead of bringing attention or celebrating a certain cause. The nights themselves are still happening but just without the jerseys.
@@jonasgorea3823 I believe THG said they were still gonna auction off the actual game worn jerseys and other things like equipment, photos, posters etc.
Adam I think it wasnt just the 6 guys that forced the change but the MEEEEEDIA aswell. All anyone in the hockey world was talking about was the 6 guys. The media let the 6 guys be the face of pride month. Media is outrage driven and if such a small fraction is against pride night that means you have a large faction that can be outraged and get the most fan interactions on their posts, arguements in the comments which drive up their engagement and leads to overshadowing the actual event itself. Sure the 6 guys being against it might have been the starting point but it also could have ended there if everyone ignored them.
You are correct. The media isn't amoral, it's immoral, bringing harm to people, deliberately highlighting the worst and ignoring the best, to get more views
Basically fake outrage from the fake right wing media crying about LGBTQ+ community having rights witch the right wing cry about basically nothing none issues from these hateful idiots
I'm not that much older than these guys, but in high school, I was listening to Pink Floyd, Rush, Led Zeppelin. Bands who started before I was born and many who had broken up before I was in my teens.
Fun fact - I was working for the Gens the year they won the OHL in 1997 and after one of the games, my buddy and I beat Marc Savard and then top goalie in the OHL Travis Scott at 8-ball.
Hey Adam, regarding the safety issues of spectators being too close to the track, have you heard of the Le Mans disaster in 1955? If not, you should check it out---so much to learn from it.
Youre looking at it wrong, its not about the the 6 players who won't wear the jersey, its the non stop questions/distractions from the media about the 6 players not wearing it. It's just as stupid, and inhumane as getting rid of it because of 6 players and it's a total shame. It's caving and lacking a back bone. It's a stupid call none the less.
Amazing that Adam goes on about how minor it is that 6 guys didn't want to wear the jerseys, but doesn't reflect at all about how much attention they gave to it.
@@MrMooMoo088 True, would have been less of an issue had the 6 guys just worn the sweaters. But to deny the part that the media and the fans had in making this a massive storyline that went on for the majority of the season is just mindblowingly dumb. For months everytime a pride night was being held the question was "who isn't going to wear it now?" or "Is this team even going to wear the jersey?" instead of focusing on the night and all the good that it could have done. The blame for this decision doesn't rest solely on the 6 guys who didn't wear it and this decision by the BoG was the most obvious one that would happen because the storyline going into this season would be who isn't going to wear the jersey.
Pretty sure the reason why they trade the pick AFTER the selections has to do with the Stepien rules, which states that a team (usually) cannot trade its first-round pick in consecutive years. That way, teams aren't trading picks, but players.
8:56 it’s confusing but there’s a few things I picked up watching it: 1) those trades haven’t officially gone through yet so technically they don’t own the pick yet 2) players will get traded the same night that they’re drafted
They never have, they’ve always done other things. In Toronto, the players worn Pride decals on the helmets and Pride Tape on their sticks and the team held a live drag show. Just sayin
The NHL should have just allowed players to opt out. Why touch the military and cancer jerseys because players don’t want to represent pride, that’s their choice if all of their team mates wear one practice jersey and 1 guy wears a regular one. They probably didn’t like the fact proverovs jersey sold out the day after he said no. Doesn’t support the “everyone wants this” agenda.
They did allow players to opt out - they didn't skate that warmup. A handful of players decided to take it a step farther and they should have been reprimanded, at least. I have family and friends that are very anti-military. When I contemplated joining, I had family virtually threatening to disown me. Would your reaction be the same if players wanted to opt out of a military night? Antipathy to the military-industrial complex is rather widespread. I don't even know all the different special nights teams do, but if there's a police night, do you support player opt outs? A person has a choice to join the military. No one chooses to be gay. Allowing players to effectively say, "my ancient book says I can't support your existence" is disgusting
@@LordGrantius we live in the free world. Don’t tell other people what they can and can’t do. If they support military night than great if they opt out that’s their prerogative. And I wanted to be in the military and a police officer but You can’t force others to have your beliefs. That’s more disgusting than anything. You don’t own anybody. And you don’t own their opinions. And you don’t own what they teach their kids.
People are acting like the guys who want to leave hate the team and hate the city and all that. But I think they just lost faith in the team after Gaudreau and Chucky left. I think its kind of like when Iginla left. They want a cup and the Flames aren't the team to get them that chance any time soon. Plus I'm excited to see some of their young prospects get a chance. and the team needs roaster and cap space to do that. All of the guys who want to leave, I'd rather see stay, but I think its for the better if they leave and Conroy can get assets for them instead of letting them walk like Gaudreau.
As a brazilian, the Neymar part is hilarious 😂he's a great player but a lot of his actions are questionable at best, so I always love to see people making fun of him
It was not the 6 guys that ruined the policy. It was exactly as Brian Burke said "let's focus on the 19 guys who wore the jersey and not the 1 guy that did not". However, you guys and every other media outlet always covered this topic when there was 1 guy who did not wear it. You guys never covered a pride night on this show when everything went off well. You only mention them when there is a so-called negative aspect to it.
Nailed it. If they would've left alone those that did not want to wear them, which is their right, none of this would happen. This is on the media/social media.
Of course, THE MEDIA is gonna talk about the one guy who doesn't wear a rainbow. He sticks out like a sore thumb! They did talk about Pride nights that went well. Anaheim and San Jose come to mind. Also, I'd say that a homophobe not wearing a Pride jersey on Pride night isn't a "so-called negative aspect." It's a plain negative aspect to Pride.
I think what got me was the crazy call to send someone back to their country and fight in Ukraine. That’s why we don’t need these “journalists” pushing politics in sports. I just want to watch hockey so I can forget about all the politics being shoved down my throat every 2 secs.
The thing with Calgary (and I'm just guessing here) is the weather, city and accompanying lifestyle, arena combined aren't good enough to warrant dealing with the increased scrutiny and microscope.
objectively, if the media (sdpn being a great example) didnt make such a massive deal of people opting out of warmup to avoid wearing the jersey, the jerseys would still he in the game.
Adam: "The NHL let 6 guys..." No, they looked at the backlash that stemmed from a measly 6 (taking the number at face value) guys opting out and decided it wasn't worth going through that every year going forward. It has nothing to do with those guys not wearing the jerseys. How can they not see this?
@@screme1065whilst i personally support most of what pride represents, i dont think forcing people to wear jerseys does anything other than foster further resentment. i also dont think its a surprise that this is only really happening now with the trans discourse being at such a fever pitch atm. many players could argue that wearing those jerseys supports things like HRT/transitioning for minors. which is a hot button topic. i doubt any of these players truly have an issue with the LGB, more likely the TQ+ which has taken over the movement in recent years.
@@screme1065 you realize in Russia people actively hunt down and assault or murder LGBTQ+ people, there supporters, and the family’s of both right? And well if we look at who opted out 3/6 this season were Russian. Even if they do support them saying so publicly is putting your family back in Russia at risk it’s not at simple as “putting on a brave face for 20 minutes”
You can’t tack “objectively” on to whatever point you’re trying to make and act like it’s a shortcut to being correct. How could you possibly be objective about something like this?
"We were going to get to the point where we accept certain NHL players weren't going to wear the pride jersey" I'm not sure about that after you spent many segments ripping those guys. Far from accepting lol.
Throughout Junior and High School hockey, we had bounties/incentives all the time. Usually in Junior it was drinks, not money. Difference was, we never were trying to hurt anyone. It was either hitting, fighting or goals.
The flames situation sucks but is obvious: The players saw the writing on the wall when Gaudreau and Katchuk left. You can't lose that caliber of player and still consider yourself a contender. I'm betting all those players we are now hearing won't resign made their decision before things went bad last season with Sutter, that just confirmed it. Players won't stick in a market they don't love unless they feel a significant chance to win. Calgary's window is closed. It's the same thing that's happening to the Jets, same thing that happened to Columbus. The 'mid' markets NEED to be good, and they need to sustain it, or their free agency will always be tough.. and even their trades are gonna be rough... hard to pay for guys that potentially won't resign in a year or two. I don't know if The Flames were a mainstay on no trade lists, but I promise you they are now.
My one question to all people who choose not to wear pride in Jersey because of religion. Did you ever have prematurely relations with a different person than your spouse?
A jersey should not be the determining factor to say people are welcome to the arena. Everyone made a big deal out of the 6 people not wearing it. Wearing the jersey should not say I accept you or we do, just go to the game weather you are gay, straight, or whatever else you are. If you need a jersey to tell you are welcome than you might be the problem.
I suspect that the “boos” that Gary gets whenever he speaks at draft night, Stanley cup, etc will be exponentially worse moving forward. Additionally, did anyone notice that the Vegas crowd didn’t “boo” Gary when he presented the cup???? Is this because that crowd is “newish” to the game and haven’t become jaded yet ?
You're missing the 'comply or get canceled' extortion that goes along with the jersey thing. How many players complied for the sole reason that the league/teams told them to toe the company line. If you think there were only 6 players who objected, you're just being foolish. This wasn't done to appease 6 players, it was done to avoid the disgrace of having players pick & choose what causes they supported, and avoid the disaster of potentially having half the team 'opt-out'.
I understand the pride thing but cancer and military nights are on a complete different plying field. Let’s face facts hockey’s always been a more conservative sport and they’ve moved towards a more central approach which is great and I love that. But I agree with your point that if u let them choose what they support or not a good chunk of the players conservative values shine through. I belive it’s the opposite of the NBA where it’s all the way on the other end
@@savrajsingh5373 Hockey players are not conservative. They mostly come from Europe and Canada which are extremely liberal countries. Stephen Harper who was the conservatives last PM in canada was to the left of Obama on most issues.
You’ve got it backwards. There is zero concern of being cancelled by the left. They are looking at the writing in the wall on the USA they are trying to avoid a potential boycott from the right or as we get into election season becoming the target of politicians and being branded woke.
@@savrajsingh5373dude you are so wrong. Btw what about if a foreign player chose not to wear a military jersey for military night? They would more than likely get shot by angry conservatives.
@@chrisdranfield3828 "Hockey players are not conservative" lol yeah dude nothing screams leftist like 99% straight cis white dudes being paid millions in their 20's to the play by far the most insular of the major 4 sports with the highest barrier of entry.. FAMOUS noted leftists not hating on hockey i love these guys but come on man, hockey culture is insanely conservative and Canada is only considered super "liberal" because of the proximity we have to the private healthcare gun land in the South, it's really not that much different, we're America-lite
You played your part in this along with the rest of hockey media by focusing solely on those not wearing the jerseys and also making the comparison with all the other warmup jerseys
Yup. The jerseys became a distraction and the media (SDPN included) made it all about who wasn't wearing them. Hopefully the event nights can now happen without so much drama and the real cause/celebration can get the actual attention.
Yup this is exactly why action was taken. Media (this show included) painted it as if the players said they were gonna stand at arena entrances with spears in hand and actually gatekeep certain groups of people. No one is stopping anyone from coming to a hockey game.
@@MrMooMoo088well the problem is that it starts with not wanting to wear the jerseys. Then it becomes far right conservatives attacking the lgbtq community claiming that even the league doesn't want them around. If you read the comment section on some videos posted by the far right conservatives on this subject you would see that they are celebrating this and saying really disparaging things about the lgbtq community going as far to call them demons.
@@JarradBruessel32 players also received Death threats, put on "blacklists" and are treated as if they threatened someone. No one has said say pride groups were not welcome. Pride groups riled up by the media certainly threatened and mocked 6 players who respectfully declined to participate in something. The reason conservative media is leeching on is because of the dramatic over reaction. You claim to have watched videos so surely you've seen the tweets and messages threatening, mocking or wishing harm on players AND their families.
@@MrMooMoo088 oh I also saw how conservatives treated players who knelt during the national anthem. This is a two way street buddy. The right wing nutjobs attacked the nhl, the nfl, the nba, anyone who knelt for the anthem was deemed a communist and a traitor. They received plenty of death threats and had stuff thrown at them. Don't even start
Hey I’m from London and pretty close with the nats team. The player being targeted was a 17-18 year old at the time and Duarte is more than known for these antics. It’s the first time he’s been caught
For the love of god guys... Take a step back and you'll see that it wasn't 6 guys that caused this... The over the top criticism from the MEDIA (including you Adam) is to blame here... When provonov gave a legitimate reason not to wear it, this show called him an ENEMEY that he was a BIGOT for not wearing a jersey... I would imagine that those 6 players probably got threatened with violence because of it... If those six players didn't wear the jersey and the media said nothing we still have these events... But each time it wasn't worn it was a circus and the league isn't going to want that pr nightmare... Also complying with a mandated jersey is not the same as agreeing with what it says... Those six stood there ground one team for went the whole jersey probably to protect the individual, We as a community can not ask for inclusiveness and then scream and cry when some one doesn't want to play we sound like toddlers on the play ground not getting our way... If we want to be inclusive then we have to respect there choice and hope one day they will come around but by forcing them, making them under threat of disciplinary action (as suggested earlier this year Steve) you only feed in to their distain. Like I love you guys I watch you weekly but when ever I hear you talk about this specific issue it's either you're in favor or you are an enemy and bigot, and nothing works that way... Nothing is white or black and id really appreciate coming from a bi individual to tone down the hate and distain you show to these players every time this particular issue arises, like Riemer went from Steve's favorite goalie to now he seems to have a dislike for him because he didn't wear a jersey? .... Like this whole thing is dumb when you stand back and think about it but it seems fanning the flames of hatred is what we humans like to do...
Why not make draft event exiting and leaving passports home. You should easily get to U.S but tell us how bad it was to come home without passes and trunkful of Adam's and Steve's baked goods... 😂😂😂
Adam brining up the Nika riots is awesome. Also the comissioner works for the owners, don't make the mistake of assuming that the next guy won't also behave at their behest.
Sean Payton and the New Orleans Saints got caught with putting bounties on who they played from 2009-2012, this includes the year they won the Super Bowl
on the pride issue and eliminating the special issue warm-up jerseys, it was never about whether people from that community were or were not welcome in the arena - those of us who are not part of that community have never once said that you weren't welcome, hockey has always been for everyone regardless of whether it was said out loud or not. Hockey is hockey regardless of where you're from...you don't need a special jersey to make that statement. Straight, gay, cancer survivor/fighter, military service member/veteran, etc. it has never mattered, you were always welcome! Creating victimhood for attention is the issue, because I could say that myself as a Christian I'm a target of hate and harrassment, but at the end of the day if I bring attention to it then it's a plea for attention instead of finding ways to be proud of who you are and the values you hold, it's allowing yourself to not be so triggered by something so irrelevant in the grand scheme of things! I know what I believe in and where my morals stand, whether other people accept that is not my problem because it's not going to change who I am or what I believe in.
Way to go Dangle... you faced the waves head on. Its a small little canoe your bottom half is exposed, no skirt, and bottom half gets wet. Out a few hundred yards you turn your little boat around and cruise back in. The boat is plastic, it ain't going to sink at least not that easy. But beawares theres bull sharks in the water there.
Steve trying make a sarcastic point about events and picks Ireland / Scotland and religion 😂😂 there is not wearing a pride jersey then 100 levels higher than that there is Religion in Ireland
The NBA thing with traded picks is a problem with the NBA rules, not an ESPN thing. Trades can't be approved until after the draft, even though that's not a problem for other leagues. If the trade happened before draft day, they'll actually get drafted by the right team.
Jesse not knowing who Dio is depresses me
Sports obsessed guys rarely know anything outside of what's super popular. Sports take up so much of their time. But yeah very depressing regardless.
CJ Show had the title, 32 Thoughts stole it, and then SDP one-upped it. I like that everyone saw the chaos and made the exact same pun
Huge shout out to Maddie for the cut to Steve looking just exasperated at 47:40.
made me almost spit out my drink 😂
NHL cancelling themed warm-up jerseys is a direct result of media focusing on the 6 or so players, rather than ignoring them and focusing on the cause and everyone participating. I remember SDP spending tens of minutes talking about those few players. I don't remember SDP spending at least 99x as much time talking about the success of themed nights (pride etc.). SDP is one of the culprits in this mess.
I think it might be short sighted of Adam to assume it was just about 6 guys who had a problem with the pride jerseys. Obviously it’s bigger than that for the league to stop wearing all cause based jerseys. I think there are probably quite a few players who didn’t want to wear it but didn’t want the negative social media attention. Just remember how toxic the hockey culture can be it wasn’t long ago at all players were calling each other f*****t on the ice. That mentality doesn’t just disappear overnight, even if a lot of us hope that it did.
And who's to say that they didn't look over at what's happening with Bud Light and Target? Not picking a side and just playing for the sport is probably the best way for both sides to not get annoyed that one is favored more than another.
Bought my ticket! Long time listener driving up from Huntsville, Alabama. See y'all in Nashville!
SDPN bobbleheads! Do it!
Well it took 58 minutes but were finally talking about hockey
Day 7 of petitioning for THG to come bad on the pod!!
Best special warmup jersey is easily the oilers turtle island logo ones, it looks so good thar if it was a legit jersey not just warmup I would have bought it
With Calgary, the simple reason why all these players want out is that they do not think they’ll be able to win a cup there.
This is one of the few times in their career where they can dictate what team they wish to play for and they may see themselves as the missing piece for another franchise.
They just watched Tkachuk help drag the Panthers to the finals after he made the same pitch.
Do we honestly think the jerseys are going away because half a dozen players didn't want to wear them, or is it more likely they are going away because the media took a story about six players not wanting to wear them and turned it into this massive news cycle thing trying to shame them and paint the NHL overall because of it? I love Steve, Adam, and Jess but you guys were just as guilty of this focusing on a few individuals and devoting massive airtime to saying how disappointing or terrible it was instead of putting even a quarter of that time into covering the POSITIVE side of those events and showcasing the good those nights and jerseys do.
Should the NHL have just taken their ball (puck) and gone home - no but lets be honest about why it's happening - they don't want the bad press and every time a single player doesn't want to "comply" with a social issue. You can't mandate this on the players and you can't keep the press from turning an anthill into a mountain so they decided to just avoid the issue altogether. The media is the reason this has happened, the drive for clicks and outrage is what caused this to happen, not the choices of 6 players.
(to be clear i'll happily wear a pride jersey incase anyone is thinking I"m against the cause for any reason)
Exactly
Exactly. Pk Subban said on the issue, you cant force players to be activists. It won't end well.
Well said. 100% agree with everything you said
If a player could just do something and not have the big. YOU GUYS IN THE MEDIA ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THE PLAYERS.
IF THE MEDIA HAD SHUT IT'S MOUTH AND said oh that is too be fine but you had to BLOW IT UP.
Ask Bud light how pushing LGTBQ are doing. This is an owners thing also that the NHLPA agreed with.
You claim to not be against the cause, yet you're missing the entire point of why people had issues with it in the first place. If you were a true ally, you wouldn't be talking over LGBTQ fans that have an issue with how behind the NHL is. Alas, you think you know everything when you really don't.
"Before I left for Shelbyville I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time......."
I'd have to disagree with the guys that it was just 6 guys that caused this change by the NHL. Realistically, I think it was the response to the 6 guys refusing to wear the jersey that is the true rationale for cutting the pregame jerseys. The story about those 6 guys and the social media responses were overwhelming and the events themselves completely overshadowed.
The NHL is a business; they want to make money and avoid any PR nightmares which the coverage became. Same thing with the sponsors they just want the brands in your face for neutral or good reasons.
Last years response to the different players not wearing the jerseys entirely eliminated any of the good media about the events. It was the equivalent of throwing a party and everyone being pissed off that one guy wasn't enjoying himself at the party. Instead of focusing on how fun it was they focused on why that person wasn't enjoying himself. Then they went to the host and said "that guys not having fun, make him have fun or Im not going to enjoy it" and then talked exclusively for weeks after about how the party wasn't fun because that one guy ruined it.
So its really not surprising that the NHL said well if were going to get nothing but backlash for weeks during the season if any singular player doesn't wear this jersey. Why just not host the party, take the lumps in the offseason and then not have it be an ongoing issue. The NHL should absolutely be a positive space for people of different ethnicites, beliefs, genders etc. but people trying to force feed their beliefs on these individuals to get a morale victory rather then enjoying and experiencing the 99% of people there supporting the event. Is in my opinion the rationale for this decision.
Six players didn't do away with the Pride jerseys. YOU media types did. You have no one to blame but yourselves for this. When Provorov QUIETLY decided to skip the warmup for his own, personal religious beliefs, it was YOU who immediately began sharpening your pitchforks, clutching your pearls, and screeching to high heaven about how Provorov had just declared war on the LGBT movement and single-handedly dragged us all back into the 50s.
Because of your stink, the NHL had to point out - correctly - that the players are not bound to support every single initiative that their teams do. It is simply not part of their contract, or the NHL would have said so. But that didn't appease you. YOU wanted blood. The fact that 99.9% of the players wore the jersey wasn't enough for you.
Faced with this potential headache next season, it seems Bettman has gone full scorched-earth, reasoning (correctly, in my opinion) that while the media may lose its mind for a month or two about this, it will have all died down by the start of the next season and NHL viewership will not suffer for it.
These are hockey players with their own personal beliefs, politics, etc. They are not mindless billboards for the social justice flavour of the month.
Jesse saying Dio being a deep cut reference hurt me as a metalhead. He's not even the deepest cut SINGER OF BLACK SABBATH.
Tony Martin sabbath is pretty good. Pretty good. Still not the deepest cut
@@mikeenglish844 Oh, Tony Martin Sabbath is *SO* good. Incredibly underrated, too. But yeah, Ray Gillen might be the deepest cut.
Elite title. Just finished the 32 thoughts pod too.
As a Latino hockey fan, who has had my fair share of racial issues. I’m glad they don’t do the jerseys for ANYONE any more. I don’t feel more included if there’s a “Latin night.” It’s honestly kind of awkward. All I want is to go to a game and cheer for my team next to some other fans and be left alone. I don’t need people to wave my flag or sing a Spanish song or anything. And I don’t understand why general society thinks smashing things in everyone’s face over and over and over again will make the ones who actually are jerks just go “you’re right I’m wrong.” And all this stuff about “raise awareness”…… I mean come on…..everyone is aware. If you like the game of hockey, come to a game. Sit next to me, cheer for our team. Scream at the refs. Chant it’s the goalies fault. If you like the game don’t let a few dark spots ruin the whole thing. Go see a game and don’t give a crap who thinks what.
Yep, what you just said. I go to watch the game. It’s a good season if we hit .500. I’m way more concerned about if we ever play defense this decade. Most people are pretty chill.
Jesse saying Dio is a "deep cut" cut me deep 😢
Gradey Dick played for Kansas University, not Kansas State where the UDFA Marquis Nowell played.
How did you not name the episode "Dick Pick"
I normally dont agree with Bettman but on the jersey thing I do agree. The night became about who wasn't wearing the jersey instead of bringing attention or celebrating a certain cause. The nights themselves are still happening but just without the jerseys.
I just hope the nhl raises the proceeds that would have been raised from those auctioned off jerseys.
Good job by Gary
@@jonasgorea3823 I believe THG said they were still gonna auction off the actual game worn jerseys and other things like equipment, photos, posters etc.
Adam I think it wasnt just the 6 guys that forced the change but the MEEEEEDIA aswell. All anyone in the hockey world was talking about was the 6 guys. The media let the 6 guys be the face of pride month. Media is outrage driven and if such a small fraction is against pride night that means you have a large faction that can be outraged and get the most fan interactions on their posts, arguements in the comments which drive up their engagement and leads to overshadowing the actual event itself. Sure the 6 guys being against it might have been the starting point but it also could have ended there if everyone ignored them.
You are correct. The media isn't amoral, it's immoral, bringing harm to people, deliberately highlighting the worst and ignoring the best, to get more views
Basically fake outrage from the fake right wing media crying about LGBTQ+ community having rights witch the right wing cry about basically nothing none issues from these hateful idiots
I'm not that much older than these guys, but in high school, I was listening to Pink Floyd, Rush, Led Zeppelin. Bands who started before I was born and many who had broken up before I was in my teens.
Happy Friday everybody!!
Fun fact - I was working for the Gens the year they won the OHL in 1997 and after one of the games, my buddy and I beat Marc Savard and then top goalie in the OHL Travis Scott at 8-ball.
49:10 Adam bringing in the history facts and Steve’s immediate “god damn it, Adam” LOL
Hey Adam, regarding the safety issues of spectators being too close to the track, have you heard of the Le Mans disaster in 1955? If not, you should check it out---so much to learn from it.
Speaking about Jerseys, I would refuse to wear a jersey that says 'milk' on it.
Because I am vegan
Youre looking at it wrong, its not about the the 6 players who won't wear the jersey, its the non stop questions/distractions from the media about the 6 players not wearing it. It's just as stupid, and inhumane as getting rid of it because of 6 players and it's a total shame. It's caving and lacking a back bone. It's a stupid call none the less.
Also our media being dogshit too. Barely covering the Beech story but asking everybody & their brother about their teammates.
Amazing that Adam goes on about how minor it is that 6 guys didn't want to wear the jerseys, but doesn't reflect at all about how much attention they gave to it.
It's just a rainbow. Death threats? Blacklisting? Toxic media? No its just a rainbow.
Screw your rainbow
@@MrMooMoo088 True, would have been less of an issue had the 6 guys just worn the sweaters. But to deny the part that the media and the fans had in making this a massive storyline that went on for the majority of the season is just mindblowingly dumb. For months everytime a pride night was being held the question was "who isn't going to wear it now?" or "Is this team even going to wear the jersey?" instead of focusing on the night and all the good that it could have done. The blame for this decision doesn't rest solely on the 6 guys who didn't wear it and this decision by the BoG was the most obvious one that would happen because the storyline going into this season would be who isn't going to wear the jersey.
Is this episode called "Up in Bigger Flames" because the CJ Show was "Up in Flames?" and 32 Thoughts was "Up in Flames"
Panarin had to get all the Akira Schmid out of his hair 😂
How can I get that sdpn flag behind you at the start for the front of my house?
Pretty sure the reason why they trade the pick AFTER the selections has to do with the Stepien rules, which states that a team (usually) cannot trade its first-round pick in consecutive years. That way, teams aren't trading picks, but players.
Sooooo as a Queer person who knows a lot about the whole "friends of Dorothy"... First openly out Queer NBA player could be on their way 👀
Love this network mates keep up the great work! 👏
8:56 it’s confusing but there’s a few things I picked up watching it:
1) those trades haven’t officially gone through yet so technically they don’t own the pick yet
2) players will get traded the same night that they’re drafted
Anyone notice that they didn't mention the Leafs didn't wear pride night jerseys this season?
They never have, they’ve always done other things. In Toronto, the players worn Pride decals on the helmets and Pride Tape on their sticks and the team held a live drag show. Just sayin
They do other things silly
So Steve got all 10meters from shore before going under like a submarine.😂
The NHL should have just allowed players to opt out. Why touch the military and cancer jerseys because players don’t want to represent pride, that’s their choice if all of their team mates wear one practice jersey and 1 guy wears a regular one.
They probably didn’t like the fact proverovs jersey sold out the day after he said no. Doesn’t support the “everyone wants this” agenda.
They did allow players to opt out - they didn't skate that warmup. A handful of players decided to take it a step farther and they should have been reprimanded, at least.
I have family and friends that are very anti-military. When I contemplated joining, I had family virtually threatening to disown me. Would your reaction be the same if players wanted to opt out of a military night? Antipathy to the military-industrial complex is rather widespread.
I don't even know all the different special nights teams do, but if there's a police night, do you support player opt outs?
A person has a choice to join the military. No one chooses to be gay. Allowing players to effectively say, "my ancient book says I can't support your existence" is disgusting
@@LordGrantius we live in the free world. Don’t tell other people what they can and can’t do. If they support military night than great if they opt out that’s their prerogative. And I wanted to be in the military and a police officer but You can’t force others to have your beliefs. That’s more disgusting than anything. You don’t own anybody. And you don’t own their opinions. And you don’t own what they teach their kids.
Juve serial cheaters
Randy River and Allen Iverson's were my go to looks in high school. And the keys on a lanyard hanging out of your pocket.
People are acting like the guys who want to leave hate the team and hate the city and all that. But I think they just lost faith in the team after Gaudreau and Chucky left. I think its kind of like when Iginla left. They want a cup and the Flames aren't the team to get them that chance any time soon. Plus I'm excited to see some of their young prospects get a chance. and the team needs roaster and cap space to do that. All of the guys who want to leave, I'd rather see stay, but I think its for the better if they leave and Conroy can get assets for them instead of letting them walk like Gaudreau.
1) DIO DIO DIO DIO DIO 🤘
2) Ozzy and Dio weren't the only singers in Sabbath.
As a brazilian, the Neymar part is hilarious 😂he's a great player but a lot of his actions are questionable at best, so I always love to see people making fun of him
he lives for the cameras 💀
It was not the 6 guys that ruined the policy. It was exactly as Brian Burke said "let's focus on the 19 guys who wore the jersey and not the 1 guy that did not". However, you guys and every other media outlet always covered this topic when there was 1 guy who did not wear it. You guys never covered a pride night on this show when everything went off well. You only mention them when there is a so-called negative aspect to it.
Which shows how the media just wants everyone to comply or else.
Nailed it. If they would've left alone those that did not want to wear them, which is their right, none of this would happen. This is on the media/social media.
Of course, THE MEDIA is gonna talk about the one guy who doesn't wear a rainbow. He sticks out like a sore thumb! They did talk about Pride nights that went well. Anaheim and San Jose come to mind. Also, I'd say that a homophobe not wearing a Pride jersey on Pride night isn't a "so-called negative aspect." It's a plain negative aspect to Pride.
I think what got me was the crazy call to send someone back to their country and fight in Ukraine. That’s why we don’t need these “journalists” pushing politics in sports. I just want to watch hockey so I can forget about all the politics being shoved down my throat every 2 secs.
The thing with Calgary (and I'm just guessing here) is the weather, city and accompanying lifestyle, arena combined aren't good enough to warrant dealing with the increased scrutiny and microscope.
I FU**ing LOVE YOU “guys”!!!
Thank you for moving the game forward, too much ignorance and push back these days, much love! D
I graduated high school in 2000. My favorite artists in high school were Bon Jovi, Eminem, and BSB. No apologies for any of it.
took a break from the pod to watch that 5k video my goodness its gold
Six players dictating what the league does is similar to one parent causing the banning of a book.
The big mowhawks were really done with Elmer's glue.
Is Gradey Dick the Rizz God for real?
Just wandering around in Nashville wearing your Leafs gear sounds like a decent podcast 🎉
objectively, if the media (sdpn being a great example) didnt make such a massive deal of people opting out of warmup to avoid wearing the jersey, the jerseys would still he in the game.
alternatively, those dorks could just put on a brave face and wear a big bad rainbow for 20 minutes.
Adam: "The NHL let 6 guys..."
No, they looked at the backlash that stemmed from a measly 6 (taking the number at face value) guys opting out and decided it wasn't worth going through that every year going forward. It has nothing to do with those guys not wearing the jerseys. How can they not see this?
@@screme1065whilst i personally support most of what pride represents, i dont think forcing people to wear jerseys does anything other than foster further resentment.
i also dont think its a surprise that this is only really happening now with the trans discourse being at such a fever pitch atm.
many players could argue that wearing those jerseys supports things like HRT/transitioning for minors. which is a hot button topic.
i doubt any of these players truly have an issue with the LGB, more likely the TQ+ which has taken over the movement in recent years.
@@screme1065 you realize in Russia people actively hunt down and assault or murder LGBTQ+ people, there supporters, and the family’s of both right? And well if we look at who opted out 3/6 this season were Russian. Even if they do support them saying so publicly is putting your family back in Russia at risk it’s not at simple as “putting on a brave face for 20 minutes”
You can’t tack “objectively” on to whatever point you’re trying to make and act like it’s a shortcut to being correct. How could you possibly be objective about something like this?
love you guys! it means a lot that you guys are so supportive of pride :)
"We were going to get to the point where we accept certain NHL players weren't going to wear the pride jersey" I'm not sure about that after you spent many segments ripping those guys. Far from accepting lol.
Throughout Junior and High School hockey, we had bounties/incentives all the time. Usually in Junior it was drinks, not money. Difference was, we never were trying to hurt anyone. It was either hitting, fighting or goals.
Yes I want to watch u guys during the draft on twitch
Lay off the pride man it's not gary its the media's fault for making a huge deal over a few guys.
The flames situation sucks but is obvious: The players saw the writing on the wall when Gaudreau and Katchuk left. You can't lose that caliber of player and still consider yourself a contender. I'm betting all those players we are now hearing won't resign made their decision before things went bad last season with Sutter, that just confirmed it. Players won't stick in a market they don't love unless they feel a significant chance to win. Calgary's window is closed. It's the same thing that's happening to the Jets, same thing that happened to Columbus.
The 'mid' markets NEED to be good, and they need to sustain it, or their free agency will always be tough.. and even their trades are gonna be rough... hard to pay for guys that potentially won't resign in a year or two.
I don't know if The Flames were a mainstay on no trade lists, but I promise you they are now.
My one question to all people who choose not to wear pride in Jersey because of religion. Did you ever have prematurely relations with a different person than your spouse?
Adam was in “bands”?? RELEASE THE TAPES!!!
Marilyn was rock DJ!?!?! You just blew my mind Adam.
A jersey should not be the determining factor to say people are welcome to the arena. Everyone made a big deal out of the 6 people not wearing it. Wearing the jersey should not say I accept you or we do, just go to the game weather you are gay, straight, or whatever else you are. If you need a jersey to tell you are welcome than you might be the problem.
Always funny when I see the video thinking I completely forgot about it, only to click and find out it was posted a minute ago.
I suspect that the “boos” that Gary gets whenever he speaks at draft night, Stanley cup, etc will be exponentially worse moving forward. Additionally, did anyone notice that the Vegas crowd didn’t “boo” Gary when he presented the cup???? Is this because that crowd is “newish” to the game and haven’t become jaded yet ?
While in Nashville, go to Pharmacy Burger. Grab a beer of your choice and and burger. Thank me later.
That Neymar cheating post is incredible. You can almost picture her looking over his shoulder as he types it out.
You're missing the 'comply or get canceled' extortion that goes along with the jersey thing. How many players complied for the sole reason that the league/teams told them to toe the company line. If you think there were only 6 players who objected, you're just being foolish. This wasn't done to appease 6 players, it was done to avoid the disgrace of having players pick & choose what causes they supported, and avoid the disaster of potentially having half the team 'opt-out'.
I understand the pride thing but cancer and military nights are on a complete different plying field. Let’s face facts hockey’s always been a more conservative sport and they’ve moved towards a more central approach which is great and I love that. But I agree with your point that if u let them choose what they support or not a good chunk of the players conservative values shine through. I belive it’s the opposite of the NBA where it’s all the way on the other end
@@savrajsingh5373
Hockey players are not conservative. They mostly come from Europe and Canada which are extremely liberal countries. Stephen Harper who was the conservatives last PM in canada was to the left of Obama on most issues.
You’ve got it backwards. There is zero concern of being cancelled by the left. They are looking at the writing in the wall on the USA they are trying to avoid a potential boycott from the right or as we get into election season becoming the target of politicians and being branded woke.
@@savrajsingh5373dude you are so wrong. Btw what about if a foreign player chose not to wear a military jersey for military night? They would more than likely get shot by angry conservatives.
@@chrisdranfield3828 "Hockey players are not conservative" lol yeah dude nothing screams leftist like 99% straight cis white dudes being paid millions in their 20's to the play by far the most insular of the major 4 sports with the highest barrier of entry.. FAMOUS noted leftists
not hating on hockey i love these guys but come on man, hockey culture is insanely conservative and Canada is only considered super "liberal" because of the proximity we have to the private healthcare gun land in the South, it's really not that much different, we're America-lite
You played your part in this along with the rest of hockey media by focusing solely on those not wearing the jerseys and also making the comparison with all the other warmup jerseys
Yup. The jerseys became a distraction and the media (SDPN included) made it all about who wasn't wearing them. Hopefully the event nights can now happen without so much drama and the real cause/celebration can get the actual attention.
Yup this is exactly why action was taken. Media (this show included) painted it as if the players said they were gonna stand at arena entrances with spears in hand and actually gatekeep certain groups of people. No one is stopping anyone from coming to a hockey game.
@@MrMooMoo088well the problem is that it starts with not wanting to wear the jerseys. Then it becomes far right conservatives attacking the lgbtq community claiming that even the league doesn't want them around. If you read the comment section on some videos posted by the far right conservatives on this subject you would see that they are celebrating this and saying really disparaging things about the lgbtq community going as far to call them demons.
@@JarradBruessel32 players also received Death threats, put on "blacklists" and are treated as if they threatened someone. No one has said say pride groups were not welcome. Pride groups riled up by the media certainly threatened and mocked 6 players who respectfully declined to participate in something. The reason conservative media is leeching on is because of the dramatic over reaction. You claim to have watched videos so surely you've seen the tweets and messages threatening, mocking or wishing harm on players AND their families.
@@MrMooMoo088 oh I also saw how conservatives treated players who knelt during the national anthem. This is a two way street buddy. The right wing nutjobs attacked the nhl, the nfl, the nba, anyone who knelt for the anthem was deemed a communist and a traitor. They received plenty of death threats and had stuff thrown at them. Don't even start
Hey I’m from London and pretty close with the nats team. The player being targeted was a 17-18 year old at the time and Duarte is more than known for these antics. It’s the first time he’s been caught
Of course the "flames" had the best pride jersey 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
hahahaha
For the love of god guys... Take a step back and you'll see that it wasn't 6 guys that caused this... The over the top criticism from the MEDIA (including you Adam) is to blame here... When provonov gave a legitimate reason not to wear it, this show called him an ENEMEY that he was a BIGOT for not wearing a jersey... I would imagine that those 6 players probably got threatened with violence because of it... If those six players didn't wear the jersey and the media said nothing we still have these events... But each time it wasn't worn it was a circus and the league isn't going to want that pr nightmare... Also complying with a mandated jersey is not the same as agreeing with what it says... Those six stood there ground one team for went the whole jersey probably to protect the individual, We as a community can not ask for inclusiveness and then scream and cry when some one doesn't want to play we sound like toddlers on the play ground not getting our way... If we want to be inclusive then we have to respect there choice and hope one day they will come around but by forcing them, making them under threat of disciplinary action (as suggested earlier this year Steve) you only feed in to their distain. Like I love you guys I watch you weekly but when ever I hear you talk about this specific issue it's either you're in favor or you are an enemy and bigot, and nothing works that way... Nothing is white or black and id really appreciate coming from a bi individual to tone down the hate and distain you show to these players every time this particular issue arises, like Riemer went from Steve's favorite goalie to now he seems to have a dislike for him because he didn't wear a jersey? .... Like this whole thing is dumb when you stand back and think about it but it seems fanning the flames of hatred is what we humans like to do...
New Jersey and Carolina might be looking for forwards
Age, contract and performance, no one is touching Markstrom.
Yo the intro to rihanna was something else...
JUNE IS ALSO MENS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH......... NOT A WORD 😢😢😢 SAD JUST SAD
Y’all getting Nashty???
Why not make draft event exiting and leaving passports home. You should easily get to U.S but tell us how bad it was to come home without passes and trunkful of Adam's and Steve's baked goods... 😂😂😂
Adam brining up the Nika riots is awesome. Also the comissioner works for the owners, don't make the mistake of assuming that the next guy won't also behave at their behest.
Sean Payton and the New Orleans Saints got caught with putting bounties on who they played from 2009-2012, this includes the year they won the Super Bowl
on the pride issue and eliminating the special issue warm-up jerseys, it was never about whether people from that community were or were not welcome in the arena - those of us who are not part of that community have never once said that you weren't welcome, hockey has always been for everyone regardless of whether it was said out loud or not. Hockey is hockey regardless of where you're from...you don't need a special jersey to make that statement. Straight, gay, cancer survivor/fighter, military service member/veteran, etc. it has never mattered, you were always welcome! Creating victimhood for attention is the issue, because I could say that myself as a Christian I'm a target of hate and harrassment, but at the end of the day if I bring attention to it then it's a plea for attention instead of finding ways to be proud of who you are and the values you hold, it's allowing yourself to not be so triggered by something so irrelevant in the grand scheme of things! I know what I believe in and where my morals stand, whether other people accept that is not my problem because it's not going to change who I am or what I believe in.
You should commentate melee tournaments too
In the book Dorothy wore Silver slippers and it was changed for the movie, since it was going to be in colour.
Absolute disgrace by the NHL to cancel all the specialty jerseys.
Insane.
Marner and whatever change it takes for Lindholm, Hanafin, Toffoli
For that you would be giving up marner AND Nylander. And maybe a little extra. Or Marner, a first and change.
no way you guys were at the beaches, i wish i could have seen yall
Is there any chance of a concurrent stream on youtube? I absolutely hate Twitch's interface lol
Can we PLEASE get ""Sports is Political." ~ Adam Wylde" t-shirts?
Way to go Dangle... you faced the waves head on. Its a small little canoe your bottom half is exposed, no skirt, and bottom half gets wet. Out a few hundred yards you turn your little boat around and cruise back in. The boat is plastic, it ain't going to sink at least not that easy. But beawares theres bull sharks in the water there.
That second still of Adam with the gut of glory hanging out needs to be cut out and pasted into ridiculous places
If a man paid a child to attack mine I would immediately challenge them to a steel cage tag team match
Papoose is one of my favorites
Steve trying make a sarcastic point about events and picks Ireland / Scotland and religion 😂😂 there is not wearing a pride jersey then 100 levels higher than that there is Religion in Ireland
The NBA thing with traded picks is a problem with the NBA rules, not an ESPN thing. Trades can't be approved until after the draft, even though that's not a problem for other leagues. If the trade happened before draft day, they'll actually get drafted by the right team.
TJ Bode? Confirmed, Steve is a dad.
I love this podcast. huge fan.
Their takes on pride night might be the most absurd example of straw manning their opponents arguments I've ever seen.
Whatever...Dad! I don't need you telling me what to do with my Roc-A-Wear jeans.
-Steven, whilst wearing Karl Kani jeans.