Yes...in the sense of the fact that they are both core 2 duo and have the same sort of design with the construction and look. But if you examine with a little more detail, there are some major and minor differences. One, the R400 and the rest of the xx00 generation had no model with a 4:3 display option. Two, the right side of the R400 has a bevel, completely ruining the perfect brick look that I like about the 61 generation so much. Three, that is the generation when they started to kill off the battery terminals on the Ultrabays like in the X200 Ultrabase when the X6 Ultrabase had battery terminals. I can't support that because that just shows that Lenovo was cheaping out. Not to mention the switch to SATA for the Ultrabays which although is better than IDE PATA, completely makes the older accessories unusable on that generation. But don't get off put by my little rant there the R400 is probably a great machine and if you like it, its all good, just not for me.
@@dcfbf i have an x201 tablet with the ultrabase (same as x200) and it definitely has a battery terminal. grey rubber cover at top left corner, under the laptop's own power jack. also get a tablet version if you like rectangular bricks. personally, i would happily buy a reissue of the x60s/x61s, with 64-128gb of ram, a fast cpu, modern tech display and good battery life but with the same exact body, the same amount of ports and the same keyboard.
No I don't mean the battery charger. I know what you are talking about, I actually was sent an x200 ultrabase by accident when I was trying to buy an x6 ultrabase. I am talking about the battery terminals inside the ultrabay.
Well that is if you count the branding on some of the older t,r,x,and z 61s(even though the z61 is more like a t60) and the fact that they were still going by the IBM way of model numbers(as in the overall model letter, followed by the generation number, and then the revision number). Though at this time(2007) lenovo had already purchased the Thinkpad line from IBM two years prior. Meaning that this is a Lenovo Thinkpad But actually now that I think about it, Lenovo basically got all the engineers too so technically this is IBM…though if you go by that logic, even modern thinkpads can be counted as IBM.
When I only saw the first part of your comment I thought that you were going to talk about the option of flexview IPS displays on the T60 or the fact that there was a 15 inch 4:3 option available for the T60 or even the fact that the the GPUs in the 60 generation didn't have problems like 61 did. But you know some of the early made _61 also had IBM branding right? By the way, the _60 can use core 2 duos, just not the Penryn generation. Also you forgot one of the main reasons why the _61 is better: the limit of 8GB of ram when compared to 3GB on the _60.
Yes there does exist some _60 without it and that is just due to the fact that they kept on selling the _60 computers after they stopped using IBM branding on them.
i would buy a thinkpad but the modern ones are honestly garbage. Im somehow running into the problem where i'm willing to dump 2000+ dollars into a laptop but none of them checks all of my boxes.
@@Marauder-q2v I have to agree with you on that one. Although the t14 g5 is a lot more repairable which is good, it still has, imo, many flaws, especially in the trackpoint and department. Although I have never tried the t14 g5, I have a t14 g3 and that has a very similar trackpoint arrangment to it so I would assume that they are going to be basically the same. But anyways, I don’t like the modern lower profile trackpoint style because I feel like it drifts a lot more than the higher profile ones and they also feel much more stiff when compared to the older ones. Not to mention the switch from trackpoint buttons that hinge and have height differences between the middle button and side buttons to buttons that only go up and down, like a keyboard switich, and lie flat also is very inconvenient as I find myself accidentally pressing both the scroll button and the left click when I am trying to click something. So because of that, and many other things that I find frustrating like the strange home end insert delete layout on the top of the keyboard and the fact that they reduced the size of the arrow keys from the t14 g2 to the g3, modern thinkpads really just don’t serve as a worthy successor to the classic ones. Though what are your reasons for disliking modern thinkpads?
@@dcfbf I just simply don't see anything redeeming factors for the modern thinkpads. The screen is average or even arguably bad for the price, the keyboard is slightly above average, the trackpad is mediocre, the speakers aren't all that great. Funny enough, in some aspects, some of the modern thinkpads are worse than my current daily driver (some random razer laptop with an 8th gen cpu, atleast the hinges on this thing is screwed into metal as opposed to glued onto like many laptops are) that wasn't good to begin with. It also doesn't help that if I'm purchasing a 14 inch, framework 13 would probably be a better option (+ for my use case) in terms of upgradability and reparability that the old thinkpads had. Framework is pretty bad for the price but in this case its quite comparable because many of the thinkpads have that workstation tax on them. Framework 16 inch is dogshit though.
y'know im a bit stick of laptop searching at this point. I'm probably either going to continue to use this 6 year old razer laptop or just get a macbook air m1 for "cheap". Honestly I just want a lunarlake or amd strix point laptop that has good battery life and isn't like crap
Ah I see what you mean in the trackpad part. The T14 has a plastic trackpad and although it is very wide, is very short(darn you trackpoint buttons(though I use trackpoint most of the time anyways)). But I mean if you don't really use trackpoint there really is no point in getting a Thinkpad because right now, the only thing really going for it is its trackpoint and the keyboard and even those is starting to go to crap. Though I haven't tried any laptops with the newer intel or AMD cpus, I can say that I recommend the M1 air. I've been using it for 3 years now and while the keyboard might leave more to be desired from its key travel, with It feeling like a board when coming from laptops with more key travel, the overall machine is superb. The screen is excellent(1440p on a 13 inch, bright too), the trackpad is gigantic and smooth, and once you get used to it, the keyboard is also very nice. My only gripe about it is the fact that my palm rests on the trackpad because of how large it is and sometimes, I can accidentally move my mouse cursor while typing but that's rare and otherwise, the palm rejection works very well. Oh and also the lack of even one usb A port, that has to be the most annoying part of owning a Macbook.
@@dcfbf I would've gotten a m1 air, but MacOS really is the biggest factor against it. With the constraints of macOS, my workload would effectively turn into something a chromebook could fullfill. Honestly to me, the macbook keyboard is really bad in my opinion. Its probably because I do most of my typing on a mechanical keyboard. So rather comparing against different laptop keyboards, I compare it against mechanical keyboards. The only laptops that I've thought the keyboards were worthy was the framework 13 (relatively high tactility + travel) and some alienware laptops because they've essentially cheated with low profile mechanical switches. I would've honestly gotten a zenbook (hx370) or a vivobook (lunarlake) instead if they weren't built like crap internally. The hinges are horrifically designed. The hinges are glued (yes im not even joking) onto the top lid of the display. It will come apart in few years of use and the only fix would be JB welding it again. My issue is that none of the laptops on the market seem like a total upgrade from my older laptop. But at this point, i might just be fed up with enough to tolerate macOS and go with an M1 Air due to the price at 750 ish
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Thanks I am very proud of my Thinkpads
Same as Lenovo ThinkPad R400
Yes...in the sense of the fact that they are both core 2 duo and have the same sort of design with the construction and look. But if you examine with a little more detail, there are some major and minor differences. One, the R400 and the rest of the xx00 generation had no model with a 4:3 display option. Two, the right side of the R400 has a bevel, completely ruining the perfect brick look that I like about the 61 generation so much. Three, that is the generation when they started to kill off the battery terminals on the Ultrabays like in the X200 Ultrabase when the X6 Ultrabase had battery terminals. I can't support that because that just shows that Lenovo was cheaping out. Not to mention the switch to SATA for the Ultrabays which although is better than IDE PATA, completely makes the older accessories unusable on that generation. But don't get off put by my little rant there the R400 is probably a great machine and if you like it, its all good, just not for me.
@@dcfbf i have an x201 tablet with the ultrabase (same as x200) and it definitely has a battery terminal. grey rubber cover at top left corner, under the laptop's own power jack. also get a tablet version if you like rectangular bricks. personally, i would happily buy a reissue of the x60s/x61s, with 64-128gb of ram, a fast cpu, modern tech display and good battery life but with the same exact body, the same amount of ports and the same keyboard.
No I don't mean the battery charger. I know what you are talking about, I actually was sent an x200 ultrabase by accident when I was trying to buy an x6 ultrabase. I am talking about the battery terminals inside the ultrabay.
YESSSSSSS, ASPIES UNITE
how many Thinkpads do you have in total ?
6 if you count the completely working ones, 8 if you count the half working ones
the IBM days
Well that is if you count the branding on some of the older t,r,x,and z 61s(even though the z61 is more like a t60) and the fact that they were still going by the IBM way of model numbers(as in the overall model letter, followed by the generation number, and then the revision number). Though at this time(2007) lenovo had already purchased the Thinkpad line from IBM two years prior. Meaning that this is a Lenovo Thinkpad But actually now that I think about it, Lenovo basically got all the engineers too so technically this is IBM…though if you go by that logic, even modern thinkpads can be counted as IBM.
@@dcfbf agree
did the x61 have different keyboards. Urs is so deep looking. Mine is flat
what do you mean by ‘deep looking’
From my knowledge they all should be the same
@@dcfbf Urs seem to have depth to them and mine are flat. Not really sure what else to say. maybe they just looking taller because of wear
Yeah maybe? the gloss on it from wear may of made it look "taller" on camera?
_60 better tbh, yeah they're only core duos and not core 2 duos, but they have ibm branding for some
When I only saw the first part of your comment I thought that you were going to talk about the option of flexview IPS displays on the T60 or the fact that there was a 15 inch 4:3 option available for the T60 or even the fact that the the GPUs in the 60 generation didn't have problems like 61 did. But you know some of the early made _61 also had IBM branding right?
By the way, the _60 can use core 2 duos, just not the Penryn generation. Also you forgot one of the main reasons why the _61 is better: the limit of 8GB of ram when compared to 3GB on the _60.
@@dcfbf I didn't know there was some _61 with ibm branding since there exists _60 with and without it
Yes there does exist some _60 without it and that is just due to the fact that they kept on selling the _60 computers after they stopped using IBM branding on them.
Could you please tell me if it can run vs code 😢❤❤?
doesn't vs run on everything?
i would buy a thinkpad but the modern ones are honestly garbage.
Im somehow running into the problem where i'm willing to dump 2000+ dollars into a laptop but none of them checks all of my boxes.
@@Marauder-q2v I have to agree with you on that one. Although the t14 g5 is a lot more repairable which is good, it still has, imo, many flaws, especially in the trackpoint and department. Although I have never tried the t14 g5, I have a t14 g3 and that has a very similar trackpoint arrangment to it so I would assume that they are going to be basically the same. But anyways, I don’t like the modern lower profile trackpoint style because I feel like it drifts a lot more than the higher profile ones and they also feel much more stiff when compared to the older ones. Not to mention the switch from trackpoint buttons that hinge and have height differences between the middle button and side buttons to buttons that only go up and down, like a keyboard switich, and lie flat also is very inconvenient as I find myself accidentally pressing both the scroll button and the left click when I am trying to click something. So because of that, and many other things that I find frustrating like the strange home end insert delete layout on the top of the keyboard and the fact that they reduced the size of the arrow keys from the t14 g2 to the g3, modern thinkpads really just don’t serve as a worthy successor to the classic ones. Though what are your reasons for disliking modern thinkpads?
@@dcfbf I just simply don't see anything redeeming factors for the modern thinkpads. The screen is average or even arguably bad for the price, the keyboard is slightly above average, the trackpad is mediocre, the speakers aren't all that great. Funny enough, in some aspects, some of the modern thinkpads are worse than my current daily driver (some random razer laptop with an 8th gen cpu, atleast the hinges on this thing is screwed into metal as opposed to glued onto like many laptops are) that wasn't good to begin with.
It also doesn't help that if I'm purchasing a 14 inch, framework 13 would probably be a better option (+ for my use case) in terms of upgradability and reparability that the old thinkpads had. Framework is pretty bad for the price but in this case its quite comparable because many of the thinkpads have that workstation tax on them.
Framework 16 inch is dogshit though.
y'know im a bit stick of laptop searching at this point. I'm probably either going to continue to use this 6 year old razer laptop or just get a macbook air m1 for "cheap".
Honestly I just want a lunarlake or amd strix point laptop that has good battery life and isn't like crap
Ah I see what you mean in the trackpad part. The T14 has a plastic trackpad and although it is very wide, is very short(darn you trackpoint buttons(though I use trackpoint most of the time anyways)). But I mean if you don't really use trackpoint there really is no point in getting a Thinkpad because right now, the only thing really going for it is its trackpoint and the keyboard and even those is starting to go to crap. Though I haven't tried any laptops with the newer intel or AMD cpus, I can say that I recommend the M1 air. I've been using it for 3 years now and while the keyboard might leave more to be desired from its key travel, with It feeling like a board when coming from laptops with more key travel, the overall machine is superb. The screen is excellent(1440p on a 13 inch, bright too), the trackpad is gigantic and smooth, and once you get used to it, the keyboard is also very nice. My only gripe about it is the fact that my palm rests on the trackpad because of how large it is and sometimes, I can accidentally move my mouse cursor while typing but that's rare and otherwise, the palm rejection works very well. Oh and also the lack of even one usb A port, that has to be the most annoying part of owning a Macbook.
@@dcfbf I would've gotten a m1 air, but MacOS really is the biggest factor against it. With the constraints of macOS, my workload would effectively turn into something a chromebook could fullfill.
Honestly to me, the macbook keyboard is really bad in my opinion. Its probably because I do most of my typing on a mechanical keyboard. So rather comparing against different laptop keyboards, I compare it against mechanical keyboards. The only laptops that I've thought the keyboards were worthy was the framework 13 (relatively high tactility + travel) and some alienware laptops because they've essentially cheated with low profile mechanical switches.
I would've honestly gotten a zenbook (hx370) or a vivobook (lunarlake) instead if they weren't built like crap internally. The hinges are horrifically designed. The hinges are glued (yes im not even joking) onto the top lid of the display. It will come apart in few years of use and the only fix would be JB welding it again.
My issue is that none of the laptops on the market seem like a total upgrade from my older laptop. But at this point, i might just be fed up with enough to tolerate macOS and go with an M1 Air due to the price at 750 ish