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so by your logic if someone is smoking crack while drinking coffee and has a heart attack then coffee is a drug of concern? its really a mute point because drugs do not cause addiction. its pain that causes addiction. anyone who has been through it could tell you. if i didnt find heroin or any drug for that matter i would have just found something else external to ease the pain. thanks to kratom i have 5 years clean from heroin, i have had a job for as long, and i am healthier than i have ever been in my entire life. kratom gave me the space to start working on my issues. i tried suboxone and methadone but both of those programs required me to travel across town to get my dose every morning which would have precluded me from the job market. this amazing plant has helped so many. really all drugs should be legal, and regulated. pharma should be banned from straight to consumer marketing (like they are in the rest of the world) as should alcohol, and tobacco or any other substance that is determined to have abuse potential. use all the taxes generated from the drug/alcohol market to help people struggling with addiction.
This is a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY!!!!! KRATOM should be ILLEGAL, it is a schedule 1! The ADDICT LOVES IT BECAUSE THEY ARE AN ADDICT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING TO BE ADDICTED TO. This Administrator doesnt look like he is using anything. 😐
I agreed with AKA on most things, except about Kratom being a food supplement, on that one you were right Dr. B :) However, governments are making so much trouble or strict laws if you would admit the medicinal effects, almost making the product illegal. That was even the case for CBD here, even that used to be illegal, later on it became legal but only as a food supplement. Almost always on kratom you buy it will say "not for human consumption" while every knows that's what it's for lol.. But that case of the 24yr old boy where mitragynin was given as prime cause of death, is a joke. Especially if you look at all the other substances he already took, 2 antidepressants, alcohol & more. And they saw he suffered pulmonary edema too, concluding this was caused by Kratom?? Lol, this is a good but bad example too of a case where you can absolutely not blame the Kratom unless there is real proof that would suggest otherwise. At best the kratom had just a little part in combination with all the other drugs, that he eventually died, but even then u can't put the blame on kratom itself. Everybody knows one should not combine lots of substances like that, kratom alone would have never had this affect on that boy.. They need to come up with something real of evidence if you really wanna make those claims cuz that is just worthless & laughable.. Well except for that young man that died early but I'm sure Kratom wasn't the devil there.
@@michaelmclaughlin9079 Congrats, i can relate strongly to your point about pain. At least some drugs should always be legal being weed & kratom :) weed being illegal here, made the market for coke explode lol... And kratom is still pretty unknown otherwise it was probably illegal too. Not to mention the many natural psychedelic drugs that are very therapeutic & self-healing, alltho that shoudl always be done under professional care.
Little bit of Kratom here and there helped me get off Suboxone with very minimal withdrawal. No crazy high doses of Kratom while I was doing it and I skipped days in between. I stopped the Kratom once the physical symptoms subsided. I thank Kratom and now I'm clean off everything and loving life again🙂
Awesome. I plan to use Kratom to get off of suboxone also. I like it to cuz it works really good for workouts. It better then taking caffeine for pre-workout. And like you said I don’t feel the need to abuse or over take it either. I just taken minimum dosages. Has tons of medical value . More then all the hardcore opiates that there handing out like candy.
@@These-nutz I'm doing great.🙂 I'm going on a year and 5 months off that crap. I don't take anything and those thought and feelings are long gone. I feel fine mentally and physically at this point. I'm not gna say it was easy and life isn't always happy and perfect but u gotta really want it. For me...it was WAR and I won this time
Which strain did you use? I’m currently going on week three of suboxone I was on methadone for five years before that. I did a three day detox and they put me on suboxone and it’s really not working very well. I want to look at kratom as an option. Can you give me more details on exactly what you did?
I started taking kratom in 2014 after some research for my arthritis and was floored when I heard what people started saying about it. It's given me my life back. I can still work, take care of my kids and my house and function normally. I didn't want to go down the road of pharmaceuticals, and I'm grateful every day I was able to avoid that.
I got talked into taking SSRI’s by a dr. for 3 years and when I tried to get off I couldn’t function. Kratom allowed me to get off SSRI’s, which are poison, and allowed me to continue working and living. It also helps immensely with my pain management, I agree it is an amazing plant; Some people don’t handle it responsibly and that’s the problem.
@@godswittness69 amen dude! These are trolls sent from Facebook and AKA to rant and rave.... misrepresenting kratom and making it sound like a godsend
@@timmyt603 trolls? Ok. Think what you want. I just try to educate and promote harm reduction. I know how kratom has helped me and many others. Best wishes to you.
@@timmyt603 Trolls? What friggin WTF farm did you just drop off from? Have you ever been addicted to opiates, or understand the fingernail digging pain you go through to get off of them? If not, then the only troll here is you and your bud over there. Kratom has saved me and many others from the pain of opiate addiction, as well as alcohol addiction. I know, because it has weaned me off of both, and I am hardly a "meth head". But go on trolling around, getting laughs, as thats what troll do.
I was addicted to Vicodin for over 10 years. I was also a heavy beer drinker, putting away 80ozs of malt liquor daily. I tried Kratom in 2016 in an effort to wean myself from the pills, and it totally got me off of them. As a side benefit, I have absolutely no desire for alcohol whatsoever. You would have to force a beer down my throat at this point. It's just been a total lifesaver.
tramadol affected me the same exact way toward alcohol I tapered off the tramadol once I haven't thought about alcohol for months now I will never touch alcohol ever again it is a killer and a death in a bottle
I've been taking kratom for 4 years now. I went from being an alcoholic with PTSD who was afraid get a job for fear of being rejected. I now am a semester away from my degree in information security and work full time. I've gotten an internship on my own, and I'm doing better than before I got sick. Things are still painful, but krstom has allowed me to experience the discomfort and reflect later. This has allowed me to heal.
That is a Blessing. Depending on how much you are using, it could turn out to be miserable when you try to quit. I used it for 3 years. Quitting hurt me physically like a heroin addiction. It's God Awful... I may have over done it. I'm not against Kratom, however believe it should be doesage regulated by it's users, not FDA ... Have a Blessed Day....
Same here! I definitely try and manage kratom better than I did alcohol lol I went through such bad withdrawals and DTs from alcohol and ended up with pancreatitis multiple times and for a while I was scared to try kratom because I never wanted to have any sort of withdrawals ever again and also suffered PTSD. I built up a little courage to try it out thibking it may help for my PTSD and anxiety and at first it was confusing with the dosage and the kind that I like but I ended up veering towards the white kratom and sometimes in the evening a little bit of red bali kratom. Through kratom I also found kava which I actually enjoy better than kratom, it's just more expensive and well after recovering from my alcohol addiction I don't want to find myself in another habit forming expense that adds up and leaves me broke. It's all addicting though especially if you have an addictive personality, shit if you drink 4 bottles of water every day for 1 months straight and then stop, your body is going to have a withdrawal reaction. That said, as long as kratom is used responsibly (for me 6-8 grams a day) it can be super beneficial!
Can we all just agree that this plant has very real medicinal properties that have helped tons of people, warrants further study AND can also cause physical dependence especially if misused. It should be a tool for chronic pain, anxiety and replacement therapy for addicts. Be responsible people. Would hate to see this plant taken away from those who have benefited as a result of misinformation on both sides.
Exactly. Just because something has medicinal properties doesn’t meant it can’t cause dependence and other issues, and just because a substance can cause dependence and other issues doesn’t mean it’s evil and should be banned.
100% agree. Why does it have to be either #1 highly addictive or #2 no addiction potential. Obviously I think it’s somewhere in the middle. But who cares! A lot of modern day medicine pharmaceuticals ARE addictive WITH side effects. I think people can get addicted to everything: Food, sex, gambling, drugs etc etc Just because something has a potential of being addictive doesn’t mean it has no value to be used medicinally. If someone is in chronic pain 24/7 and they would be taking an opioid regardless I think many would rather be addicted to Kratom for pain vs prescription opioids..
I quit 5 days ago and the withdrawal is still hitting hard, and I've only got 2 clonidine left to ease it. Only use it if you need it, and try not to use it 2 days in a row if possible because 1 dose a day will turn to 2 to 4 to every 3 hours just to feel normal and your dose will increase if you want to keep getting the same level of effect. Then if you decide to get off of it, your gonna be out of work for at least 10 days
I've taken kratom for 7 years. I am absolutely dependent on it. The withdrawal symptoms are so severe that I can't be in public or around family and friends and have to stay in bed. I take it 4 to 5 times a day. Every 4 to 5 hours daily. I was told the addiction level was similar to coffee. I was lied too and I am absolutely addicted to kratom.
Gabriella I would love to hear your story about the withdrawals on Kr ATO M. I am currently 25 GPD. And if I don't dose within 6...7 hours I understand what you mean I can't be around people. I have complete tremors a jerky sensation I call it flip flopping! It's terrible! A couple of times it happened to me. I'm expressway going 70 miles an hour and starting to have these jerky movements terrible it's terrible I couldn't sit still!! And I was screaming uncontrollably. This lasted about a 1/2 hour until my Dose. A frightening experience to say at least.
@@ricknowak4582 for me within the first hour of not having my dose it starts with yawning and runny nose and runny eyes. And then I start feeling chills going up and down my spine and my body starts aching all over. Then the Anxiety and depression kicks in and I could hardly find words to say to have a normal conversation with someone, i cant focus at all. By night time I have cold sweats and aches. Then I cant fall asleep cause i am having cold sweats and am tossing and turning. Completely restless. I have shudders up and down my back and legs. also lose my appetite and get nauseous. That basically sums it up.
Hey. I've been using Kratom for around 9 years now. I've successfully stopped 4 times using 2 different methods. I use it maybe twice or week now. My highest dose was 6 grams 4 or 5 times a day. How are you now? What does your dose look like as far as grams?
@@HermettiFlux Ive been able to lower my dose to 10 grams in the morning before work and then every 4 hours I take somewhere around 5 grams. I used to take 10 grams every 5 hours until I was ready to go to bed. But I've never quit just because I can't quit while I'm working. The most I've done is cutting my dose in half and even that was hard while working.
@@gabrielpadilla3470 That 10 gram dose is what was causing so many negative side effects ( I'm sure you already know that ). From my experience you can find a speed to taper that will cause very little discomfort. For me it was 1/2 gram every 2 weeks. CBD and Delta 8 helped with sleep along with a healthy diet and exercise. If I had a day where I really needed to be my greatest version I would take phenibut ( never more than once a week ). I also have had success dropping powder switching to tea and tapering that way. The crazy thing is once you get a way from the large doses you will realize anything over 5 - 6 gramd just brings down the whole Kratom lifestyle. The smaller doses can be extremely effective with very little side effects. I'm never gonna say Kratom is not physically addictive but when managed properly the pros out weigh the cons imo. Take your time with your taper. Good luck
One of these men came across as extremely well informed and open minded. The other acted like a jerk who came with a heavy bias. I’ll let you decide which was which. Only one of them added anything to the discussion. He was extremely informative and kept his comments within the rules of intelligent discourse. The other sounded like every guy at the bar who thinks he knows everything. The only thing he said that resonated was, “I’m slow.” His other ramblings were hard to follow and his demeanor was disrespectful. The funniest thing he said was, “I’m very specific with my words.” I laughed out loud at that one.
I don’t care what anyone says. Any substance that gets you hooked is not a good substance to use. I’m so hooked on Kratom now, spending a lot of money, and it’s been very difficult to get off of. What’s good about that? Freaking nightmare!
How much kratom could you possibly be taking to where cost is an issue and how on earth did you let it get to that point? Take *some* responsibility, this is not an addictive plant by comparison to the other botanical candidates and comparing its adictive potential to pharmaceutical opiates is absurd.
5 year kratom user 20 to 30gpd and it was tough to quit. Got in a motorcycle accident and thought this stuff was my miracle drug. It was pretty hard to quit. Couldn't sleep, terrible rls, anxiety, and more. Glad to be on the other side
@@angiebear8727 I was able to take a month off work and did a really fast taper. Cut my dose in half for 5 nights straight and then stopped. I don't know if I could have done it any other way. Taper in the past was not for me
@handpads about 2 weeks but the mental and some sleepless nights were a few months. Hang in and it will be like a switch flips 1 day. Nice to go out without worrying about bringing kratom with me now
I was diagnosed with Lupus two years ago, and something about kratom I don't still understand has a huge impact on my condition. Kratom greatly reduces my flare ups, and with using kratom I find that I tend to take less prednisone because I feel less achy and have way less inflammation in my body. I was they did more studies with this plant
Yup have MS and it definitely helps with fatigue and nerve pain. I don’t use it often because I’m aware of the addictive potential. Really wish some serious studies would be conducted on medicinal properties especially when it comes to autoimmune disorders because it has improved my life significantly. Hope you are still well. God bless❤
Kratom works! 80-90% of withdrawal symptoms are avoided helping people get off opioids. For me no side affects. No need to up my intake. I am a chronic pain patient and thankfully don’t crave the opioids. So nice to feel unencumbered by a pill. No feelings of euphoria, just no illness. Thank you Kratom. Remember some people must continue to work and or don’t have insurance to go to long term rehab. Funny the doctor didn’t explain the horrors of pain meds when all of a sudden same doctors stop prescribing.
Kratom got me off a 20 year Methadone addiction and withdrawal from Kratom is nothing in comparison to opioids and especially methadone withdrawals. Thank you God for giving us Kratom❤
Thank u for commenting this. I used kratom towards the end of my 45 day methadone detox. I actually thought I was going to die I was in so much pain and so sick. All I needed to Hear is that I won't experience that again. I can deal with a portion of that pain but I ca t do it again fr
Methadone and suboxone withdrawal are the absolute worst!! Benzo and alcohol is the most dangerous and pretty horrible as well I came off both methadone and suboxone, HELL. I’m 2 months off suboxone now and I’m still depressed 😂 it lingers man. Nothing is worse than coming off real synthetic opioids. I think if those abuse kratom in high doses and cold turkey it’ll suck I’m sure but low doses not abusing it’ll be fine especially if you’ve come off siboxone or methadone you can come off anything at this point
What kind/source of kratom and how much daily for how long. I’ve been considering it cuz The only thing that keeps me from quitting opiates is the withdrawal. If it was just 1/2 as bad for half as long I could probably do it but being deathly sick for not just days or weeks but months is just 2hard.
Kratom literally saved my life and got me off of daily drinking, Smoking, and opiates. Anyone would be a fool to ban this. Very strongly support the regulation of this substance.
Feb. 19, 2024. 15 years of work in Addiction Recovery and Mental Health with SAMHSA Certification. Previous Kratom user for back pain. For me, it became highly addictive and I had severe withdrawal when quitting Kratom. Be Aware of this, please, potential serious problems
I was on oxycodone 30 MG pills for 10 years due to my horrible back pain I of course ended up abusing them to the tune of 20 pills a day. My Dr. All of a sudden told me he was not prescribing them anymore and left me with nothing I shortly went into severe withdrawal and ended up on heroin. I lost my home my family my job and everything else you can think of. I ended up on suboxone for several years which was just as addictive and expensive. I reluctantly tried kratom and after my 3rd dose I never took suboxone or heroin or pain pills ever again. Kratom literally saved my life. I use it for pain and I don't even take ibuprofen anymore. I don't get withdrawal symptoms from it I can function on it and it's affordable for me to have a life.
5 year fentanyl addiction was silenced finally because of kratom, I know what you mean brother. Kratom saved me too. Never went to rehab, never tapered with suboxone, just went straight to natural remedies and supplements and that's how I found kratom! I dont take ANY pharmaceuticals, just kratom and honestly, it's all I need! I do also think it isnt for everyone tho, I've seen people take it too far too. I'm talking 12g-15g doses every 6-7 hours. Obviously I had to separate myself from those people lol but stay strong out there fam!!
I'm sorry for you. I've been through hell in my life as well. I'm on subs and I was so depressed so I decided to stop taking them got some kratom and basically no withdrawal
@c r so I make my own tincture at home. There are recipes online how to make it with an alcohol base and lemon juice. I take a 9 ML dose in the morning and one in the evening after work if my pain is bad I may take one around lunch. The tincture is very powerful as it's concentrated but after some trial and error I found what works for me and its been working out great.
I was completely addicted to Kratom, it gave me health issues, messed up my period. Off of it now and bloodwork is returning to normal. Thank you Dr B for speaking facts!
Considering people try cocaine and get addicted after a first line, in that general sense. Would you say the same? Because it seems to be more mentally addictive but, I don’t know. You seem to know more then me. Just wanted your 2cents, because I don’t think people are out there robbing banks for their KRATOM fix.
Dr b i have 15 years of addiction experience.. and I agree in your setting you see the population that suffers with addiction issues .. so your patients will have a different set of outcomes than let’s say an orthopedic surgeon may see when analyzing how the patients get when it comes to abuse and dependency.. love your content!
The FDA is majority funded by the pharmaceutical industry as is the who and the HMRA in my own country. They would absolutely ban all herbs if they could
How can he say Kratom users were "opioid free" when the active ingredient binds to the opioid receptor and has an exponential binding affinity as compared to morphine?
It doesn't bind like opiods, it attaches to mu receptors. Huge difference. Kratom basically tricks the mu receptor into thinking an opiod is binding. Why it's so useful in fighting opiate withdrawls.
I am here at this video because I've come from the "it's harmless and non-addicting" to "I think I might have a problem." I've been taking kratom daily since 2018. It's a conscious effort to not increase the dose as I've built up a high tolerance. I've been at 7 grams a day for years. I get antsy when I'm running low and feel agitated if I'm without for a few days. I've been addicted to cigarettes (quit those) and I drink a cup of coffee every day. My use of kratom is the only other time I'd admit addiction.
I thank god everyday for kratom! I was hit by a car while on a dirtbike 16 years ago, I lost my left leg (below knee) crushed my femer bone and hip and also broke my back in several places. I was on opiates for 14 years and eventually was taken off of them cold turkey I got through the withdrawls but was still suffering from chronic pain and was having issues running after my two toddlers and just doing physical activities in everday life I had to find something to help, thats when I found kratom. I have been on it for 2 years now and feel better than I ever did on opiates! I was able to get a full time job as well as taking care of my babies and house work. My constant migraines from a lesion on my brain also stopped. I hate it when people say that kratom is this horrible thing when it has helped me so much and the fear of that being taken away because they are ignorant to it is horrible
29 years old here . I have been on 1 tablespoon of kratom since 21. I have scoliosis and ankylosing spondylitis and i work 45+ hours a week. I tried tramadol and vicodin, made me very sick and lose weight. Kratom gave me everything back. Personality. Time. Freedom. Peace. Calm.
I drink kratom tea and eat fresh leaves from my kratom tree daily, for 6 years now. Kratom helped me completely quit 3 prescription meds. The daily benefits for me are migraine prevention, upper respiratory illness prevention, energy like coffee and pain relief. I have no fear of overdose/death, which was a very real possibility when I was on prescribed opiates. That's my anecdote. Thank you Mac and AKA for tirelessly advocating for kratom consumers.
Kratom ruined my life. Spent the last 4 years trying to get off it and going through withdrawal after withdrawal. It definitely does the same things as drugs. It definitely gives you a high. I’ve taken it in many different forms: extracts, powder, powdered-capsules, etc. they all gave a “high”. You’re telling me every single one was messed with and wasn’t pure? Then why did I test negative on every other drug test? Mr. American Kratom Association is only on send and is unwilling to honestly discuss each point. How can you have a discussion when jumping all over the place?
That’s interesting. You must have taken a high dosage of it. I used to use it for depression and took a 500mg pill every 6 hours or so. I never once felt high, but took 3-4 pills a day. It completely took my depression away and worked far better than any other antidepressant, however, I quit taking it because I don’t know what it’s doing to me. I felt healthy enough on it, but I was afraid of liver issues because there’s no studies proving it’s safety at lower doses. I now just suffer with my depression because I refuse to take the pharmacy medication as well. That stuff never worked and made me feel mentally terrible. I felt like blowing my head off.
When it comes to substances every one's brain chemistry is different. I never felt high on opiods, or kratom. I've been prescribed opioids for pain and I couldn't even take them because they made me feel sick. I took Kratom for anxiety and insomnia but never felt any type of euphoric feeling, but I know people who say they feel good and have energy off opioids. I met people who have a almost instant reaction after taking a spoonful of kratom and feel a noticeable difference but I don't. I just feel less antsy, but the come on is so gradual it's not a really noticeable. I only take it when my anxiety is really bad. I think the problem with all these substances is people taking them every day like vitamins. When it comes to any substance you should take it when you need it.
I've been using it for 6 years now and I will say that i most certainly am addicted to Kratom. So much so that I will do anything to get it if I run out in order to combat the extreme discomfort that comes along with it. That being extreme rls, constantly sneezing, watery eyes, aching body, sleeplessness, loss of interest in everything, an innaabillity to make it through a day of work without feeling extremely sluggish. As soon as I take it again though its instant relief beyond words. Im never without it now though so I always make sure to keep at least a kilo at hand at all times. I would rather die than to he without it...so...whatever man! Keep telling yourself its not, but in high doses and frequent, more than once or twice a day doses, it most certainly is addictive.
The way this guy from the aka speaks about it as if kratom is a miracle plant with no side effects is really dark. He either knows the harm it does and doesn't care, or he's so ignorant that he's an imminent threat to himself and others.
Addiction and dependency are two completely different things. All opiates cause dependency and withdrawal after ,"more then 3 days of constant usage" but going through withdrawal because you have caused a "body shut down of endogenous natural body opioids chemicals", and caused a physical dependency because of it. which countless drugs and plant medicines do that do not even get the person intoxicated. eg ... hormone replacement therapy, testosterone, thyroid etc.. This does not mean you are an addict. Addiction is a complete unwillingness to stop and go through the withdrawal symptoms, combined with a desire to use it to either avoid withdrawals or to get high /intoxicated even if it destroys your social life. IF you have the mental fortitude to quit in spite of withdrawals then you are not an addict
I've been using it for 5 years but i take breaks for a week or two every 6 months or so. I can stop taking it without many issues at all. I workout a lot so maybe that has something to do with it.
Kratom has a ceiling effect my question is what made you go so hard with it?? Not bashing you, I'm a former opiate addict and I'm curious. The feeling kratom gives is just more of a blockage of cravings for opiates and to the non opiate user, the same feeling caffeine gives. Just curious as to why one would keep going up on the dose aside using it for opiate withdrawal?
I have used this stuff for over five years. It has become a bad addiction. The withdrawals are worse psychologically to me than opiates. I’ve gone through withdrawal from prescription opiates. Some people may benefit from this plant, but not people like me. I am going to have to find help to get off of Kratom. If you have an addictive personality, beware. Do not listen to all the hype that it is totally safe and there are no withdrawals. This is the truth. I have lived in hell for a few years now. I’ve lost 50 pounds, lost my hair, low libido, constipation, mood swings… on and on. I do not take any other drugs or even drink. God bless.
I recommend Always weighing your doses. A scale is essential in Kratom use. It allows you to taper off without heavy withdrawals. I go down a half a gram at a time. Chronic constipation will also cause health problems. I have to take magnesium and psyillium husk fiber everyday so that I don't get backed up.
I hate it, I didn't realize what it would do to me, sure it helped me kick a habit, however all I did was make a new habit with kratom. I'm done with it all.
After taking Kratom for 2.5 years at 20-30 gpd ( 1 tsp in the morning and 3-4 heaping tsp after work) I was hopelessly addicted. Hair loss, constipation, isolation and withdrawal were destroying me. It was difficult to quit, I am about two weeks into cold turkey and I feel mostly better but there are still lingering withdrawal symptoms. I can see how Kratom would be great for some people but I am not one of those people. I don't think it should be illegal but people need to know how addictive it is.
This is the part they don't realize. It can be a God send if used respectfully & as a stepping stone. There is a dark side to this ish . They'll eventually find out
I am struggling with a 3 year heavy kratom habit. I can't face my life without it but I know it is really bad to use as much as I do. I go through 2 kilos a month.
With all due respect, why did you start it in the first place then? We are all adults here. I did research before I started taking it bc it’s our responsibility to know what we are putting inside our bodies. I knew full well that it can cause a tolerance which means your body can get accustomed to it which means dependent which means wds can happen or symptoms of not feeling well if you take it regularly and don’t taper. It’s not rocket science. Most herbs and meds do this. It’s nothing new. If a person cannot control themselves and exhibit out of control behavior and self destructs or is toxic in their actions as in abuse or overtaking well that’s on you. The person shouldn’t of took so much OR why can’t you slowly taper?? I have ppl who ask me how they can taper and I help many. But there are some who are just harmful and stubborn and want things now and are resistive. They don’t want to be bothered by slowly tapering and taking the time to decrease over time so they end up having bad wds. 🤷🏼♀️ If the person is so deep into their addictive mentality and literally cannot stretch it out bc they have to consume all every last bit until they’re out then you need to get help for your issues and probably this plant or anything that has any kind of alkaloid content you should avoid. No caffeine nothing. But even without these mild substances and foods there are other things I’m sure are a struggle but won’t be resolved as long as you keep running from addressing the reasons why in therapy. I’m sorry to didn’t work out for you? If I may ask Did you start taking it to get off of heroin or opioids etc? I really do want to try and help ppl who are interested in this plant and save them from unnecessary time wasted if they don’t want to address their issues or don’t want anything that can become accustomed to their body. Suboxone and methadone are far more addicting and are actually making ppl nod off while driving and they are being given to ppl to get sober which is baffling to me. It literally doesn’t make any sense for someone to be against Kratom yet supports or consumes suboxone or methadone. So much ignorance or denial bc they’re so addicted to it. Suboxone is a partial agonist like Kratom but at least Kratom doesn’t cause horrific side effects for most like subs or methadone. Methadone is a full opioid agonist. But I see ppl push it and condemn the plant Kratom. I don’t know your story but I’m just blabbing a bit here. I appreciate you saying everyone is different. It gives me a sign of hope that maybe you bash it across the board and are thinking of others and not just yourself. I hope I didn’t come across as hostile ty brother
@@mykratomstory7494 I used kratom to get off opiates. It helped me deal with the acute withdrawals. Then painlessly tapered kratom to zero use. I've dealt with withdrawals most of my life I'm Just tired of it.
@@mykratomstory7494 bruh, he said 9 words and you wrote an epic trilogy in response in which you made like 20 assumptions about this dude's life and intentions
@@jorgeluisflores5980 No I didn’t. YOU are assuming I’m implying all of that about him. I was simply stating the science and different scenarios ppl get into when taking this plant. One thing I don’t understand or I actually think it’s severe addiction mentality is that if someone really is tired of their situation then why not taper off of the substance. If someone is having severe negative effects from something they’re taking and can’t stop that’s bc they are out of control in their behavior. They need help. They need psychotherapy to change their behavior and the underlying root driving their actions. It amazes me how quick ppl are to let themselves off the hook. Kratom is just a plant in the coffee family. If you cannot control your use of it then you should avoid all stimulants. Doesn’t mean that no one can take it bc millions of us consume successfully without any sort of withdrawals etc
Dr. B.. You’re WRONG when you say Kratom consumers don’t do well on this plant when taking it long term. I have been taking it for 3 years and I have hundreds and hundreds of Kratom consumers my friends who have been taking this plant for 6-10 years with the same dose that they started with. Switching strains is a simple way of keeping it effective.
I already do. I take regular breaks. What is a real disgrace and It’s sad I think that you’re only going by the minority. Just bc a few ppl might have trouble with this plant it doesn’t mean that the rest of the majority are lying. The majority including myself don’t get addicted. It’s not a problem. I also don’t have a preoccupation with it which is what addiction IS. I forget to take it. Some days I take it three times. Others I dose once. I don’t have some horrific withdrawal from it. It makes me so mad that ppl are condemning something so good. Someone who has out-of-control behavior well they’re going to self destruct with just about everything. That has nothing to do with this plant. I’m a psych nurse so I understand addiction and behavior. The majority of Americans are taking this successfully long term.
@@mykratomstory7494 commenting from my own direct experience , i am still recovering from daily low dose, now have heart problems , severe depression and joint pain i never had before. Alkaloid my ass, this stuff is an opiate.. how long did you stop for when you took breaks.. I am glad this works for you, but i am angry about my own situation, lol. obviously..yes my comments look aggressive. Im still upset about it
Kratom saves alot more lives than it kills IMO. It is addictive but majority of the "Kratom Deaths" are people who have kratom in their system dying by other means. KRATOM harms big pharma, so of course the FDA wants it illegal. Harm reduction= regulation. P.S. This was an extremely educational and entertaining video, thank you Dr. B.
@@DrBAddictionRecovery oh no Dr. B I'm not disagreeing or saying you are wrong in any way. I'm just giving my uneducated opinion 20 minutes in 😂. Love your channel sir!
To say that kratom isn’t addictive is bs. It is a drug. You take it it makes you feel good and you just take more and more. I am trying to wean off of this stuff and it is hard. I will do it and I will never touch it again.
I can't take these bozos serious anymore they drug addicts in denial say it as it is bro it's a drug calling it a food is so stupid you can't just eat kratom as a food you would barf it all up
I don’t doubt that some individuals can use kratom safely without becoming addicted and it can help with many things. However, if you are an addict, it is just another coping mechanism. I was a fentanyl addict and got into kratom post sobriety. At first it was amazing and I felt great.. now I am addicted and I cannot go a day without it due to a withdrawal.
Kratom withdrawals are a legit walk in the park compared to classic opioids. It’s related to coffee botanically, in the coffee family. Grow some balls.
Thanks for this discussion. I would love to see a discussion about this autopsy or one like it with another scientist who might have an opposing opinion about the conclusion. Kratom's metabolism in the liver and how it might inhibit the metabolism of other drugs is a concern, though I can't understand why millions of people , even middle aged or elderly, can consume kratom and not be made ill if it is toxic enough to be the cause of death in a 24 year old.
Both men make excellent points. You know what will bring us all to a true and real understanding of Kratom? Research. We need researchers without any skin in the game to conduct CLINICAL studies to get to the bottom of abuse and medicinal use potential. Drives me nuts. (I personally think both Dr. B and Haddow need to try to be more open to the other’s ideas and interpretations but I love them both!)
The problem is Mr haddow is literally arguing that kratom has no side effects or dependency issues, and that is a very dangerous, dark, and frankly evil lie that ropes unwitting and naive people with addictive personalities into abusing it and doing serious harm to themselves. Addicts are already prone to lying to themselves and others to justify their addictions, this guy is fighting tooth and nail to sanction them with a fairytale that they've found the ONE plant in all of existence that is pleasantly intoxicating and not addictive or has harmful side effects. I've been through hell in the last 6 years and I see right through this charlatan and all of the people living in lala land pretending that they aren't addicted to kratom. It's time to grow up.
It’s not some new thing. It’s literally been used safely in south east Asia for over 3000 years as an opiate alternative with no known overdoses. But yes, more research would be nice.
This should be treated as a food just as mentioned in this video. Many foods which are extremely beneficial can cause serious health issues at higher doses. For example, nutmeg is a powerful hallucinogenic when you consume over 2 teaspoons. Black and green tea are high in tannins which can damage your liver if you have too much. All of these have extremely beneficial properties as well, but as mentioned here we need to know the dose. At what levels are Kratom safe and effective.
Doctor B your videos have been monumental in my recovery. After 10 years of a meth addiction, I have now been off the shit for over 90 days. The fatigue was so ridiculous that I turned to Kratom for energy, and to reduce my anxiety. It's helped so much. As a professional addict, I could tell immediately that it was highly likely to become my new addictive substance. Dude was fired up, but doesn't comprehend that 3 animal studies where the rat doesn't pull the lever, doesn't mean that substance abusers will treat Kratom like a cup of coffee. The stuff is too good to be true. It's better than my meth addiction, but I know darn well what the future holds. Hell yes it's addictive!
Yeah there's some serious word magic going on with the crowd who believes that kratom is spotless and not addictive. They're living in denial, fueled by flooded mu receptors.
Exactly, same here. The guy from the Kratom association is either ignorant or lying. For me it’s Kratom or meth. Wish I could just give up both, but I have to live my life. Kratom has been able to help me change my lifestyle and someday I may be able to quit Kratom. It’s been 9 months since this comment How are things going for you? I’m only 2 months in.
Interesting u used it to get off methamphetamine! Thank u for sharing your experience...good, fair, honest insight. As an opiate addict, my experience was quite similar, and I can relate to your story very much! In my case though, I actually experienced Withdrawal from the kratom AFTER using kratom alone for quite some time. This was rather alarming to me, but I got through it with slow tapering...It was unmistakably similar to opiate withdrawal, HOWEVER, far far milder. I feel like it absolutely has benefits, yet must truly be respected and utilized with responsibility. It was awesome that this stuff existed to help me in my process, yet at the same time, in my opinion, it definitely has abuse potential. If someone takes this substance every day for an extended period of time, the brain really does not discriminate between the effects of the kratom and actual opiates as far as what is being done neurochemically in brains opioid receptors. Thanks for your honesty cause if I dare explain the pros AND the cons, proponents of kratom basically tell me to F-off and dismiss me.
it's addictive but only based on the way it's used. Unregulated it can definitely be bad but taken in moderation and responsibly. With that bring said, the guy from the Kratom association never said it wasn't addictive, he actually acknowledged that it could be. But not as much as illicit drugs and its a million times more safe than illicit drugs.
Kratom sucks. It had me addicted for 4 years and had me throwing tons of money away every week. It's not regulated and it's highly addictive. I hate kratom!!!
One more thing: “If you’ve been doing it for 6 months, give me a call in 5 years”. That was REALLY well-said and it sums up beginning of opioid addiction (denial stage) I.m.o. Very well said. I believe this can be said for both Kratom and opioids. Furthermore, I had found some Kratom strains to be JUST as effective as some opioids I’ve done (and just as addictive). This is just my personal exp. With certain strains, I did not notice w/f symptoms at all…
@@KryptonixX l see your point that if its effect is as strong as a opioid then its alterated BUT there is drying processes indoors w no uv ray exposure & temp controlled settings rather than sun dried outside & the results are uncomparable. The no uv ray drying process dont break down the alkaloids as much. Especially the 7oh which what causes the opioid like effect. Which creates a much stronger kratom thats effects are very similiar to opioids such as oxycodone & hydrocodone. So much stronger w that drying process that l had to cut my dose back by half. Which is a good thing. Basically my point is if u have quality properly dried kratom then it is indeed really strong like an opioid. Thx
Every time the doctor doesnt like where the conversion is going he attacks the format of the discussion and trys to controll the direction. It just shows hes not confident and thinks he knows everything.
I have not used it for withdrawals, but have heard great things from people I know. I take it daily, and it has relieved my depression completely and has tremendously alleviated my anxiety
@@Wallflowersification Congratulations for your success! Keep it up. I'm so happy that Kratom has helped you so much! Can you even imagine some rehab places putting people on suboxone to get them away from kratom? That's like using dynamite to kill a roach!
Everyday Kratom consumer for the last 7 years. Kratom replaced 18 prescriptions that had devastating side effects for me. I am a business owner and can save now, a functional citizen of society. As far as withdrawal symptoms, yes I have experienced mild withdrawal symptoms from time to time but made the decision 7 years ago the withdrawal symptoms from Kratom are nothing compared to the withdrawals I suffered with from pharmaceuticals. For me it is a much healthier way for me to treat my chronic pain and bi-polar disorder with the LEAST amount of risk
Thanks for posting. Did you have anxiety or other neuro symptoms from the 18 prescriptions? Were you on any drugs for depression/anxiety like Mertazapine? I've had severe anxiety, depression, and a dozen other neuro symptoms. I had a terrible reaction to propofol (sedative for colonoscopy) and a terrible reaction to 3 days of the lowest dose of Mertazapine taken 2 weeks ago. I hope its safe if I use a low dose of Kratom for sleep. I'm aware not to keep increasing the dose even tho I suppose it could be tempting. I'm extremely health conscious.
@@cathrynp3491 yes, I was on two antidepressants at the time. One being cymbalta and the other Imipramine. I had been on the cymbalta for 26 years. I have been dealing with anxiety and depression since I've been 13 years old. EXTREME anxiety! For me, the antidepressants were not doing anything to help. Over the years, they have put me on every known antidepressant and for some reason my body cannot deal with the negative side effects. If I felt like I was getting any relief from the anxiety and depression, maybe I would be willing to tolerate all of the negative side effects but why continue taking it if it's only hurting? I suppose after realizing how toxic some of these pharmaceuticals can be, I decided to try Kratom, I felt like I had nothing to lose but I also felt that there was no possible way that this benign plant would be able to have so many positive impacts on my body. Honestly, the primary reason I wanted to try Kratom was because I have a broken back and I refused to take narcotic pain medication. After my car accident, my doctor had me on so much pain medication I couldn't even walk down the hallway let alone hold a job. Those pain medications almost killed me. How I didn't overdose on everything he had me on, I can only say that was God. I quit everything, EVERYTHING, cold turkey and took Kratom only. It is nothing short of a miracle for me. Yes, some people say they've had terrible withdrawals from Kratom and I believe them but that just hasn't been my experience. Even if it is addicting the same way coffee is addicting, that's a much better choice for me than being on all of those toxic medications for the rest of my life.
Kratom is good because it helps if you where already addicted to stronger substances, but if not then it can be considered bad because it is addictive and hard to quit. I been trying to quit for 5 years
I was hooked on kratom for 4 years shits no joke. I’m glad to see this discussion and i actually side with the doc (which I wouldn’t have years ago) however dude comes off EXTREMELY condescending and rude to the AKA dude
So simple; its BOTH Saves lifes, ruins lives. Addicts get addicted, non addicts don’t. Non addicts don’t keep increasing the dose, addicts do. For chronic pain, being addicted might be better than living in pain. Personal decision. “MAY BE HABIT FORMING The End !!!
6 years of daily kratom use. Haven’t used drugs since and have a productive life and happy wife and kids. Went from living in my car to owing my own business. My family calls me for loans now 😂.
I have to get this out there. I have been taking Kratom since 2014 regularly I first started with the powder. I later switched to brewing it and filtering out the plant matter. The difference is huge, I have noticed less side effects and better overall effects. If you consume kratom stay away from extracts and raw powder (especially if you have addiction problems). Get a hold of the crushed leaf and learn to brew it. Also don't abuse it, its not going to cure you it will however help you function if your in severe pain. If you have never taken opiates do not mess with kratom unless, you recently were injured prescribed real opiates and want to try alternatives. People please lets not play stupid anymore coffee is extremely addictive, so is sugar, sex and a million other things humans do in modern civilization. Modern civilization is also extremely stressful. More than half the people I know use something to help cope with daily life. Is that wrong? Who is to say so? What if this herb is addictive does that mean it is bad? Also if you consumed kratom and it felt great don't act surprised that you became addicted to it, obviously! Lets be real I am sick and fucking tired of the lies!!!! Stop lying to yourself! Take control of your life, before things "addictions" get out of hand .
Actually I started taking it and stopped my Suboxone. I think today is the first day I can feel it and it's taking almost all my withdrawal away. 2 g a dose
With all due respect, Dr. B your statement ‘Kratom is a psychoactive’ as to go against Mac Haddow’s statement that ‘Kratom is a food’ ~ You being a doctor should know better that ANYTHING on this planet in which we consume that has ANY effect on our brain chemistry classifies it as ‘psychoactive’. Coffee is a psychoactive. Food is psychoactive. Anything that has alkaloids is ‘psychoactive’ so to say that Kratom is bad because it’s a psychoactive or that it can’t be a food because it’s psychoactive is plainly INCORRECT. This is what the FDA tho is hoping that you’re going to buy into.
Thank you Sir Mac Haddow ..our beloved leader. 🍃 We love and respect you!!! Thank you Dr. B for taking this time and listening to our side regarding Kratom!!!! We appreciate you!!!
I wonder how far along the kratom extract dilemma has been around at the time this was video was published. All I can say is that I've never been dependent on a substance until I started using the extracts. It's pretty much heroin in a bottle. Period. I am on day 4 of outpatient treatment to get off this crap. It is also making my hair fall out; along with loss in strength, loss of sex drive, and absence of healthy living. The withdrawals so bad that I have to take medications to get off of it (suboxone and clonidine). Note: I did manage to quit once with the help of real opiates (morphine). I then weaned off of that because it is less addicting than kratom.
My son became very addicted to kratom, which didn’t remove any other cravings, making things very very difficult for my son. Now my son needs meds to control kratom cravings.
I wish kratom could work but I like how it feels too much. I just tried to go back to the kratom again recently to get off my subs and it upsets my stomach too much because I have IBS. There is no easy way out of opiate withdrawal. I’m not against kratom but it’s not something that one should rely on. I wish I could take kratom but I can’t. Sadly I’m going to have to jump off the subs cold turkey.
Dr B - I’m sorry I know that this is an older video. But regarding that FDA case report, is it not true that alcohol, Benadryl, and Remeron all have the potential to cause respiratory depression? Kratom does not generally cause respiratory depression so why on earth would the medical examiner claim this death as mainly caused by kratom?
I’m a 66 year old Crazy Cat Babe, I’ve been on Oxycodone for 17 years, I was also on Fentanyl for 15 years. I chose to get off Fentanyl when my grandson came into my life. It took me a couple of weeks to kick the sickness of that drug. I now choose to get off Oxycodone and im using Kratom to help so I don’t get sick again, im too old to kick. Kratom is working to get me off Oxycodone and im glad to get off pharma meds and if I can help others to get off pharma meds in a healthy manner Kratom is the crutch to help. There is no side effects to Kratom with getting off Oxycodone. Im so sorry you are so closed minded to Kratom with helping get off pharma drugs and their abuse.
A man I work with had to go to rehab to get off Kratom. I'm on day 13 suboxone free after 16 years of 8 mg strips. I'm too afraid to take Kratom. Insomnia and RLS are the worst part. But I only have to do this ONCE.
Living in recovery and being around addicts my entire adulthood I have only seen kratom become a distraction from true abstinent recovery with really bad consequences in some cases because time is fragile and important and developing a strong abstinent foundation is crucial and key to avoid things like long prison stents and drug over doses.
Quit being judgmental because they won’t do it the old and only way of abstinence. That kills a lot of people. Most over doses are from being abstinent then using with a much lower tolerance. Also abstinence only works long term for 3%. That why they have the “Why you Were chosen prayer”. Not many make it. Time to try something new.
I appreciate this discussion. I’m diagnosed with ADHD/OCD/GAD. The medications to treat them often counter each other. While I am seeing therapist with CBT/DBT techniques (which work), medications are important. Both are effective. However, the stimulant meds for ADHD seem to exacerbate drug seeking behaviour. I was a mess for ten years. A year ago, I started Kratom use and it’s changed my habits - no drinking, no stimulants, frequent exercise, eating healthier etc. However, I’ve gone back to pharmaceuticals because While it works, I’m terrified of getting Kratom that is unregulated for quality and standardization. I wish it was regulated and sold with government controlled quality control so I know Kratom I buy is only Kratom.
I’m not affiliated but check out Left Coast Kratom. From my research they are the best when it comes to health standards and so on. Have MS and also wish this would be taken seriously as a medicine, studied further and regulated. Hope you are doing well. God bless❤
Indigenous studies should matter. The reason the Indigenous people's have been using coca leaves for years with no I'll effects because they aren't extracting and changing the plant into cocain. Not a hard concept to understand
Yep. And they're not abusing it. Many Kratom addicts take up to 100 grams per day. In Peru, natives use coca with respect for its potencies and benefits. The same probably goes for the historical appropriate use of Kratom.
I’ve been on it six years kratom that is and I’m still doing really well I think if you try to overuse kratom you would be a dummy. You really can’t you will vomit bottom line .
@@clerictamer I would rather not just because it keeps me off opiates.The withdrawals of coming off kratom for me at least was not even close to withdrawal from opiates !!!
So confused. I started taking 6 grams 3 times a day. It irritated my urinary tract and l stopped about 4 months ago. I injured my elbow and began taking 1 gram 2 times a day and it works . It seems to boost my mood better than my anti depressant.
2200mg of gabapentin is a very high dose. Doctors do not recommend over 1200mg per day 400mg 3 times per day. My anxiety is controlled by Gabapentin and other drugs and i will agree gabapentin has high abuse potential but i cant find a safer way to control the panic and anxiety i used to suffer from. its better than benzodiazapenes and close derivatives.
This is total bullshit I use Kratom to get off Suboxone but couldn’t quit kratom without horrible withdrawal Then I relapsed and now I’m going to have to get back on Suboxone Kratom sucks!
You absolutely nailed it Dr. B towards the end because I was totally misinformed and uneducated about krantom when it first came out. If I would have known what I no now I can't honestly say I would have even tried it.
@@gsdlover257 i stopped taking it because when it wore off my pain was more intense. As far as addicting I truly believe that people are susceptible only because it did help me with my pain. But the longer you take it the more you have to increase the amount you take in order for it to work. Not to mention that in time you will need more.
I was a piece of chop meat from an IED They flew me from the sandbox to Ramstien AFB Germany After years on HD pain meds and multiple surgeries I wanted to end that relationship as well as other things The hardest thing to do is end their use when you suffer from constant pain. I may NEVER be free from opiods but withdrawal isn't that bad with Kratom. Medicine AND care should be between a doctor and a patient not a guy in DC or at an insurance company. If this work for someone leave them alone Kratom isn't used to get high and if someone is taking it it's most likely because a doctor has FAILED somewhere in their journey
I'm very sorry to hear about hardtime you've been thru. There are other ways to manage pain. Like meditations, maybe enhanced with psychedelics and proper guide that knows what to do. There are painblocking injections at nerve pathways with novo/pro/benzo/xxx/-caine, like at the dentist. There are physiotherapy, massage etc that may reduce/remove discomfort and there are NSAID drugs, ibuprofen, naproxen, meloxicam and so on. It's scary that opioids seems to be 1st choice for pain management in us. I'm glad EU avoided (to some extent) Rx. opioids crisis.
I have been addicted to kratom for five years trying to wean off this is terrible. I got a euphoria taking it so I had to get my fix. I would feel like shit missing my dose. My joints are aching my brain telling me there’s metals in this crap. I’m done with this drug.
I've been using kratom for 6 years due to addiction and chronic pain. I am going to enter a rehab tomorrow hopefully. Its extremely hard to get off of. Kratom has saved my life for the past 6 years but now it doesn't work
It will work if you take it 3 days a week and no more than 5 grams. My experience is it always relieves anxiety but it does not energize me anymore. When I first started taking it I got an energy boost high about half an hour after taking it for weight training.
@@keithgreenan3177 addiction is not dose dependent. Some (a rare few) will have addiction problems but the great majority won't. I can't take breaks because of pain issues and don't want to stop using it for that reason. I do make sure that I don't increase my doses over time and I still take the same amount that I did 7 years ago when I first started.
How are you doing now?? They gave you suboxone correct? You still taking it? It’s waaaaaaay harder to get off of, me personally don’t see how someone can think they can taper off suboxone but not Kratom, it baffles me
How can the AKA guy say kratom doesn’t have abuse potential? I can’t take him seriously after that. It doesn’t mean that kratom doesn’t have benefits and I don’t think it should be illegal, but let’s be real here.
This guy constantly dogs on "anecdotal" reports on positive Kratom use, then supports his position of scheduling Kratom by using his personal experience with patients (at one point he says ,"about 20 which is alot") which by his own definition are anecdotal reports. He pretends no bias, yet his bias is clear enough to me.
Hi Dr. B, I would love to hear your thoughts on prescription amphetamines, namely Vyvanse, as a treatment for ADHD and just in general. Best regards, Trevor
Same here. As far as I am concerned, Kratom saved my life and improved the quality (and quantity) of life. Kanna also helped my quality of life, but not to the level as Kratom! This issue wouldn't exist if it wasn't because people, especially youths, took Kratom to get "high" (aquire euphoria) as a recreational drug; then they did too much, got nauseous, and feared that the Kratom they consumed was toxic and they were poisoned. I take Kratom for arthritis pain, but I can live with pain. I also take Kratom for my atrial fibrillation and high blood pressure and high heart rate! This use HAS saved my life. Kratom takes me out of atrial fibrillation, lowers my BP and heart rate! I am a case study in this regard!
“No potential for abuse” he says…. Give me a break. Thousands of people have gone through 7-10 days of acute withdrawal followed by 1-2 months of paws. This addiction can get really bad. You’ll end up in one of two states through out the day, high or in withdrawals..
All I can say is that I got to a point that I was taking 10 pills a day of hydrocodone and Kratom safe my life and I been clean for 2 years and not taking Kratom anymore .
@@lindseynickel3384 Please visit www.americankratom.org for vetted vendors. Always make sure that, wherever you buy, that the product has been lab tested for any sort of contaminates. Stay away from convenience/smoke stores, as their products may not be safe and pure and their prices are stupid high.
Hi. Can you guide me through the process you went through? What was your opioids use like and how did you used Kratom to eradicate the opioids, till not needing it anymore. Thank you in advanced.
been using it for at least 3 years the only bad side effects i get is nausea also it makes me urinate a lot but if i take zofran it wont make me nauseous choice botanicals is the brand i use.
Kratom helped me a lot and it is always so preferable to street opiates, but also I am tapering aggressively and after 4 years of use the withdrawal from kratom is also brutal (maybe 5% of heroin withdrawal, but 5% is plenty to wish I was dead)
Dr. B I have tried the 3 strains of Krantom and I absolutely agree with you. I will tell you when I tried the red krantom it worked in 15 minutes I had energy and it helped me with my neck and back pain very quickly. At first it lasted 2 hours and 4 or 5 days later it lasted maybe a hour and I was in worse pain after. It's very addicting. I thank God I realized something was wrong when I realized that when it wore off I was in more pain then I had before I took it.
I found that to be a huge problem with oxycodone, being in more pain than when I started, but not with kratom. My residual pain once is wears off is pretty mild compared to where it had been on the narcotics.
@@painpatientsaddiction3640 and yet I've never heard anyone out of the hundreds I know who had your experience. And I know most had my experience. Something wrong there. Not believing it.
I have nothing but positive experiences with kratom (for pain) but u r the first video I saw that was understanding of the supportive view instead of the "you are a junkie!" "Its going to kill you!!" type attitude. Ty
ive been taking kratom for 5 years exactly. Started in 2017 when I worked in a factory bagging mulch for 10-12 hours. It helped me get through many rough nights. I love it and am going to continue using it, with that being said I definitely agree it can be abused potentially especially in capsule form or the shots. I will also say i have had slight withdrawal effects, mostly just restless leg syndrome which usually occurs in my arms for some reason. But other than that I love it and I have now only resulted to making kratom tea whereas I used to just pound it in bottles of water. Definitely a more clean way of ingesting and much better feeling. Keep Kratom Alive and Safe. I agree it should be regulated and labeled though.
I've been taking opoids for 25 years now and now take subutex, idk if I'll ever stop because I've been through the withdrawals and got over them eventually but I have took them so long that every part of my body hurts every joint. So I don't try to stop I worry about them cutting me off.
I wonder if this guy would whistle a different tune if he ended up hooked on leaf, powder, or extracts and knew he was needed to quit and also needed to avoid horrible withdrawal symptoms. "Safe" is relative. How do you know the shit hasn't been adulturated? That said, I still don't think it should be put in Schedule I.
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so by your logic if someone is smoking crack while drinking coffee and has a heart attack then coffee is a drug of concern? its really a mute point because drugs do not cause addiction. its pain that causes addiction. anyone who has been through it could tell you. if i didnt find heroin or any drug for that matter i would have just found something else external to ease the pain. thanks to kratom i have 5 years clean from heroin, i have had a job for as long, and i am healthier than i have ever been in my entire life. kratom gave me the space to start working on my issues. i tried suboxone and methadone but both of those programs required me to travel across town to get my dose every morning which would have precluded me from the job market. this amazing plant has helped so many. really all drugs should be legal, and regulated. pharma should be banned from straight to consumer marketing (like they are in the rest of the world) as should alcohol, and tobacco or any other substance that is determined to have abuse potential. use all the taxes generated from the drug/alcohol market to help people struggling with addiction.
This is a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY!!!!! KRATOM should be ILLEGAL, it is a schedule 1! The ADDICT LOVES IT BECAUSE THEY ARE AN ADDICT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING TO BE ADDICTED TO. This Administrator doesnt look like he is using anything. 😐
I agreed with AKA on most things, except about Kratom being a food supplement, on that one you were right Dr. B :) However, governments are making so much trouble or strict laws if you would admit the medicinal effects, almost making the product illegal. That was even the case for CBD here, even that used to be illegal, later on it became legal but only as a food supplement. Almost always on kratom you buy it will say "not for human consumption" while every knows that's what it's for lol..
But that case of the 24yr old boy where mitragynin was given as prime cause of death, is a joke. Especially if you look at all the other substances he already took, 2 antidepressants, alcohol & more. And they saw he suffered pulmonary edema too, concluding this was caused by Kratom?? Lol, this is a good but bad example too of a case where you can absolutely not blame the Kratom unless there is real proof that would suggest otherwise. At best the kratom had just a little part in combination with all the other drugs, that he eventually died, but even then u can't put the blame on kratom itself. Everybody knows one should not combine lots of substances like that, kratom alone would have never had this affect on that boy.. They need to come up with something real of evidence if you really wanna make those claims cuz that is just worthless & laughable.. Well except for that young man that died early but I'm sure Kratom wasn't the devil there.
@@michaelmclaughlin9079 Congrats, i can relate strongly to your point about pain. At least some drugs should always be legal being weed & kratom :) weed being illegal here, made the market for coke explode lol... And kratom is still pretty unknown otherwise it was probably illegal too. Not to mention the many natural psychedelic drugs that are very therapeutic & self-healing, alltho that shoudl always be done under professional care.
What do you think about the brand earth kratom?
Little bit of Kratom here and there helped me get off Suboxone with very minimal withdrawal. No crazy high doses of Kratom while I was doing it and I skipped days in between. I stopped the Kratom once the physical symptoms subsided. I thank Kratom and now I'm clean off everything and loving life again🙂
Awesome. I plan to use Kratom to get off of suboxone also. I like it to cuz it works really good for workouts. It better then taking caffeine for pre-workout. And like you said I don’t feel the need to abuse or over take it either. I just taken minimum dosages. Has tons of medical value . More then all the hardcore opiates that there handing out like candy.
You still doing good?? I don’t judge
@@These-nutz who me or into the sun?
@@These-nutz I'm doing great.🙂 I'm going on a year and 5 months off that crap. I don't take anything and those thought and feelings are long gone. I feel fine mentally and physically at this point. I'm not gna say it was easy and life isn't always happy and perfect but u gotta really want it. For me...it was WAR and I won this time
Which strain did you use? I’m currently going on week three of suboxone I was on methadone for five years before that. I did a three day detox and they put me on suboxone and it’s really not working very well. I want to look at kratom as an option. Can you give me more details on exactly what you did?
I started taking kratom in 2014 after some research for my arthritis and was floored when I heard what people started saying about it. It's given me my life back. I can still work, take care of my kids and my house and function normally. I didn't want to go down the road of pharmaceuticals, and I'm grateful every day I was able to avoid that.
I got talked into taking SSRI’s by a dr. for 3 years and when I tried to get off I couldn’t function. Kratom allowed me to get off SSRI’s, which are poison, and allowed me to continue working and living. It also helps immensely with my pain management, I agree it is an amazing plant; Some people don’t handle it responsibly and that’s the problem.
@Gele Nikolov there are much less harmful things that help with musculoskeletal pain. Like kratom
@@godswittness69 amen dude! These are trolls sent from Facebook and AKA to rant and rave.... misrepresenting kratom and making it sound like a godsend
@@timmyt603 trolls? Ok. Think what you want. I just try to educate and promote harm reduction. I know how kratom has helped me and many others. Best wishes to you.
@@timmyt603 Trolls? What friggin WTF farm did you just drop off from? Have you ever been addicted to opiates, or understand the fingernail digging pain you go through to get off of them? If not, then the only troll here is you and your bud over there. Kratom has saved me and many others from the pain of opiate addiction, as well as alcohol addiction. I know, because it has weaned me off of both, and I am hardly a "meth head". But go on trolling around, getting laughs, as thats what troll do.
I was addicted to Vicodin for over 10 years. I was also a heavy beer drinker, putting away 80ozs of malt liquor daily. I tried Kratom in 2016 in an effort to wean myself from the pills, and it totally got me off of them. As a side benefit, I have absolutely no desire for alcohol whatsoever. You would have to force a beer down my throat at this point. It's just been a total lifesaver.
tramadol affected me the same exact way toward alcohol I tapered off the tramadol once I haven't thought about alcohol for months now I will never touch alcohol ever again it is a killer and a death in a bottle
Kratom is better than Suboxone. Now I have no teeth and the withdrawals were worse than those from fetty
@@JoannaMankenberg-r5u Then you should practice better dental hygiene, as Kratom has nothing to do with your Meth Mouth.
I've been taking kratom for 4 years now. I went from being an alcoholic with PTSD who was afraid get a job for fear of being rejected. I now am a semester away from my degree in information security and work full time. I've gotten an internship on my own, and I'm doing better than before I got sick. Things are still painful, but krstom has allowed me to experience the discomfort and reflect later. This has allowed me to heal.
That is a Blessing. Depending on how much you are using, it could turn out to be miserable when you try to quit. I used it for 3 years. Quitting hurt me physically like a heroin addiction. It's God Awful... I may have over done it. I'm not against Kratom, however believe it should be doesage regulated by it's users, not FDA ... Have a Blessed Day....
Respect. 👊🏼
Same here! I definitely try and manage kratom better than I did alcohol lol I went through such bad withdrawals and DTs from alcohol and ended up with pancreatitis multiple times and for a while I was scared to try kratom because I never wanted to have any sort of withdrawals ever again and also suffered PTSD. I built up a little courage to try it out thibking it may help for my PTSD and anxiety and at first it was confusing with the dosage and the kind that I like but I ended up veering towards the white kratom and sometimes in the evening a little bit of red bali kratom. Through kratom I also found kava which I actually enjoy better than kratom, it's just more expensive and well after recovering from my alcohol addiction I don't want to find myself in another habit forming expense that adds up and leaves me broke. It's all addicting though especially if you have an addictive personality, shit if you drink 4 bottles of water every day for 1 months straight and then stop, your body is going to have a withdrawal reaction. That said, as long as kratom is used responsibly (for me 6-8 grams a day) it can be super beneficial!
Kratom takes tears to get its claws into you. Thats when addiction sets it. You start fiending it.
@dannyj7618 it's been 7 years and I take less than 1g doses at like .6g. No fiending.
If we are worried about abuse…then ban alcohol.. alcohol is abused by far more people..
Can we all just agree that this plant has very real medicinal properties that have helped tons of people, warrants further study AND can also cause physical dependence especially if misused. It should be a tool for chronic pain, anxiety and replacement therapy for addicts.
Be responsible people. Would hate to see this plant taken away from those who have benefited as a result of misinformation on both sides.
Exactly. Just because something has medicinal properties doesn’t meant it can’t cause dependence and other issues, and just because a substance can cause dependence and other issues doesn’t mean it’s evil and should be banned.
100% agree. Why does it have to be either #1 highly addictive or #2 no addiction potential. Obviously I think it’s somewhere in the middle. But who cares! A lot of modern day medicine pharmaceuticals ARE addictive WITH side effects. I think people can get addicted to everything: Food, sex, gambling, drugs etc etc Just because something has a potential of being addictive doesn’t mean it has no value to be used medicinally. If someone is in chronic pain 24/7 and they would be taking an opioid regardless I think many would rather be addicted to Kratom for pain vs prescription opioids..
I quit 5 days ago and the withdrawal is still hitting hard, and I've only got 2 clonidine left to ease it. Only use it if you need it, and try not to use it 2 days in a row if possible because 1 dose a day will turn to 2 to 4 to every 3 hours just to feel normal and your dose will increase if you want to keep getting the same level of effect. Then if you decide to get off of it, your gonna be out of work for at least 10 days
@@tylersays-how much does clonidine help with restless leg, withdrawal? I’m going to ask my doctor for a script?
@dipper888bp It helped a ton, actually. Not as good as benzos but it does its job. Where are you at on dosage with kratom?
I have severe substance abuse issues and was a hard core alcoholic. Kratom removed my alcohol cravings. I would be dead without it
Thanks for your testimony janwisz it really is quite a sham they are trying to silence many stories just like yours.. congratulations though!
@@iGNiTETheKiD True that
That's amazing! I feel similar about good quality kava tea! :D
I've read this from so many people, that's amazing. Wish my mom would make the switch.
@@CatalinaFOIA Do you live near a kava bar by chance? It's a great way to introduce someone to kava which is an excellent acohol replacement!
I've taken kratom for 7 years. I am absolutely dependent on it. The withdrawal symptoms are so severe that I can't be in public or around family and friends and have to stay in bed. I take it 4 to 5 times a day. Every 4 to 5 hours daily. I was told the addiction level was similar to coffee. I was lied too and I am absolutely addicted to kratom.
Gabriella I would love to hear your story about the withdrawals on Kr ATO M. I am currently 25 GPD. And if I don't dose within 6...7 hours I understand what you mean I can't be around people. I have complete tremors a jerky sensation I call it flip flopping! It's terrible! A couple of times it happened to me. I'm expressway going 70 miles an hour and starting to have these jerky movements terrible it's terrible I couldn't sit still!! And I was screaming uncontrollably. This lasted about a 1/2 hour until my Dose. A frightening experience to say at least.
@@ricknowak4582 for me within the first hour of not having my dose it starts with yawning and runny nose and runny eyes. And then I start feeling chills going up and down my spine and my body starts aching all over. Then the Anxiety and depression kicks in and I could hardly find words to say to have a normal conversation with someone, i cant focus at all. By night time I have cold sweats and aches. Then I cant fall asleep cause i am having cold sweats and am tossing and turning. Completely restless. I have shudders up and down my back and legs. also lose my appetite and get nauseous. That basically sums it up.
Hey. I've been using Kratom for around 9 years now. I've successfully stopped 4 times using 2 different methods. I use it maybe twice or week now. My highest dose was 6 grams 4 or 5 times a day. How are you now? What does your dose look like as far as grams?
@@HermettiFlux Ive been able to lower my dose to 10 grams in the morning before work and then every 4 hours I take somewhere around 5 grams. I used to take 10 grams every 5 hours until I was ready to go to bed. But I've never quit just because I can't quit while I'm working. The most I've done is cutting my dose in half and even that was hard while working.
@@gabrielpadilla3470 That 10 gram dose is what was causing so many negative side effects ( I'm sure you already know that ). From my experience you can find a speed to taper that will cause very little discomfort. For me it was 1/2 gram every 2 weeks. CBD and Delta 8 helped with sleep along with a healthy diet and exercise. If I had a day where I really needed to be my greatest version I would take phenibut ( never more than once a week ). I also have had success dropping powder switching to tea and tapering that way. The crazy thing is once you get a way from the large doses you will realize anything over 5 - 6 gramd just brings down the whole Kratom lifestyle. The smaller doses can be extremely effective with very little side effects. I'm never gonna say Kratom is not physically addictive but when managed properly the pros out weigh the cons imo. Take your time with your taper. Good luck
One of these men came across as extremely well informed and open minded. The other acted like a jerk who came with a heavy bias. I’ll let you decide which was which. Only one of them added anything to the discussion. He was extremely informative and kept his comments within the rules of intelligent discourse. The other sounded like every guy at the bar who thinks he knows everything. The only thing he said that resonated was, “I’m slow.” His other ramblings were hard to follow and his demeanor was disrespectful. The funniest thing he said was, “I’m very specific with my words.” I laughed out loud at that one.
I don’t care what anyone says. Any substance that gets you hooked is not a good substance to use. I’m so hooked on Kratom now, spending a lot of money, and it’s been very difficult to get off of. What’s good about that? Freaking nightmare!
Was an absolute horror show for me
I agree man. I'm 6 days clean. Cravings today, but won't cave in. Crazy how much money we pay to make our lives worse.
Absolutely agree. This guy sounds like a lobbyist for the Kratom companies. It’s all about the money. Horrible substance to get off of
How much kratom could you possibly be taking to where cost is an issue and how on earth did you let it get to that point? Take *some* responsibility, this is not an addictive plant by comparison to the other botanical candidates and comparing its adictive potential to pharmaceutical opiates is absurd.
5 year kratom user 20 to 30gpd and it was tough to quit. Got in a motorcycle accident and thought this stuff was my miracle drug. It was pretty hard to quit. Couldn't sleep, terrible rls, anxiety, and more. Glad to be on the other side
Glad u made it through. I’m curious Did u taper or just stop?
Hope you’re still doing well❤ God bless
@@angiebear8727 I was able to take a month off work and did a really fast taper. Cut my dose in half for 5 nights straight and then stopped. I don't know if I could have done it any other way. Taper in the past was not for me
@@seancastle1937 yeah it’s not for everyone
I have been taking Kratom 17-20 gpd for 6 years, 7 days clean and I cannot sleep at all. How long did your withdrawals last?
@handpads about 2 weeks but the mental and some sleepless nights were a few months. Hang in and it will be like a switch flips 1 day. Nice to go out without worrying about bringing kratom with me now
I was diagnosed with Lupus two years ago, and something about kratom I don't still understand has a huge impact on my condition. Kratom greatly reduces my flare ups, and with using kratom I find that I tend to take less prednisone because I feel less achy and have way less inflammation in my body. I was they did more studies with this plant
Dr. Christopher McCurdy at University of Florida is probably the leading researcher on Kratom. His articles are available online, I'm sure.
Me too!!
Yup have MS and it definitely helps with fatigue and nerve pain. I don’t use it often because I’m aware of the addictive potential. Really wish some serious studies would be conducted on medicinal properties especially when it comes to autoimmune disorders because it has improved my life significantly. Hope you are still well. God bless❤
Kratom works! 80-90% of withdrawal symptoms are avoided helping people get off opioids. For me no side affects. No need to up my intake. I am a chronic pain patient and thankfully don’t crave the opioids. So nice to feel unencumbered by a pill. No feelings of euphoria, just no illness. Thank you Kratom. Remember some people must continue to work and or don’t have insurance to go to long term rehab. Funny the doctor didn’t explain the horrors of pain meds when all of a sudden same doctors stop prescribing.
Thankyou for watching. I am glad you are well.
Stella you should check out some of the doctors other videos.
@@DrBAddictionRecovery thank you, I do hear 👂 what your saying though. It is worth making sure no one will be harmed.
@@murkstalinskitm5334 I have been. Thanks.
@@DrBAddictionRecovery diplomatic 😂
Kratom got me off a 20 year Methadone addiction and withdrawal from Kratom is nothing in comparison to opioids and especially methadone withdrawals. Thank you God for giving us Kratom❤
Thank u for commenting this. I used kratom towards the end of my 45 day methadone detox. I actually thought I was going to die I was in so much pain and so sick. All I needed to Hear is that I won't experience that again. I can deal with a portion of that pain but I ca t do it again fr
Methadone and suboxone withdrawal are the absolute worst!! Benzo and alcohol is the most dangerous and pretty horrible as well I came off both methadone and suboxone, HELL. I’m 2 months off suboxone now and I’m still depressed 😂 it lingers man. Nothing is worse than coming off real synthetic opioids. I think if those abuse kratom in high doses and cold turkey it’ll suck I’m sure but low doses not abusing it’ll be fine especially if you’ve come off siboxone or methadone you can come off anything at this point
Update? Hope you are doing well?
What kind/source of kratom and how much daily for how long.
I’ve been considering it cuz The only thing that keeps me from quitting opiates is the withdrawal. If it was just 1/2 as bad for half as long I could probably do it but being deathly sick for not just days or weeks but months is just 2hard.
Did you quit Kratom?
Kratom literally saved my life and got me off of daily drinking, Smoking, and opiates. Anyone would be a fool to ban this. Very strongly support the regulation of this substance.
I agree. It's really helped me get off alcohol and has helped a lot with depression.
Feb. 19, 2024. 15 years of work in Addiction Recovery and Mental Health with SAMHSA Certification. Previous Kratom user for back pain. For me, it became highly addictive and I had severe withdrawal when quitting Kratom. Be Aware of this, please, potential serious problems
That is korrekt
I was on oxycodone 30 MG pills for 10 years due to my horrible back pain I of course ended up abusing them to the tune of 20 pills a day. My Dr. All of a sudden told me he was not prescribing them anymore and left me with nothing I shortly went into severe withdrawal and ended up on heroin. I lost my home my family my job and everything else you can think of. I ended up on suboxone for several years which was just as addictive and expensive. I reluctantly tried kratom and after my 3rd dose I never took suboxone or heroin or pain pills ever again. Kratom literally saved my life. I use it for pain and I don't even take ibuprofen anymore. I don't get withdrawal symptoms from it I can function on it and it's affordable for me to have a life.
5 year fentanyl addiction was silenced finally because of kratom, I know what you mean brother. Kratom saved me too. Never went to rehab, never tapered with suboxone, just went straight to natural remedies and supplements and that's how I found kratom! I dont take ANY pharmaceuticals, just kratom and honestly, it's all I need! I do also think it isnt for everyone tho, I've seen people take it too far too. I'm talking 12g-15g doses every 6-7 hours. Obviously I had to separate myself from those people lol but stay strong out there fam!!
I'm sorry for you. I've been through hell in my life as well. I'm on subs and I was so depressed so I decided to stop taking them got some kratom and basically no withdrawal
@@yungc0bain what's a good dose for you?
@@yungc0bain just wondering cause I'm new to it
@c r so I make my own tincture at home. There are recipes online how to make it with an alcohol base and lemon juice. I take a 9 ML dose in the morning and one in the evening after work if my pain is bad I may take one around lunch. The tincture is very powerful as it's concentrated but after some trial and error I found what works for me and its been working out great.
I was completely addicted to Kratom, it gave me health issues, messed up my period. Off of it now and bloodwork is returning to normal. Thank you Dr B for speaking facts!
Considering people try cocaine and get addicted after a first line, in that general sense. Would you say the same? Because it seems to be more mentally addictive but, I don’t know. You seem to know more then me. Just wanted your 2cents, because I don’t think people are out there robbing banks for their KRATOM fix.
Better than other things I have seen him recommend for withdrawal or pain like Gabapentin.
Glad to be off the kratom as well! 5 year kratom user
Wow you still have your 1st youtube account from "back in the day" lol..youtube was so funny back then.
@@antoneckhart4010 lmaooo
Dr b i have 15 years of addiction experience.. and I agree in your setting you see the population that suffers with addiction issues .. so your patients will have a different set of outcomes than let’s say an orthopedic surgeon may see when analyzing how the patients get when it comes to abuse and dependency.. love your content!
The FDA is majority funded by the pharmaceutical industry as is the who and the HMRA in my own country. They would absolutely ban all herbs if they could
How can he say Kratom users were "opioid free" when the active ingredient binds to the opioid receptor and has an exponential binding affinity as compared to morphine?
Its called cross-tolerance or cross-dependency. Its like saying oh I'm not dependent on diazepam anymore cause I'm taking alprazolam.
The AMA is a shitty organization that lies. That’s how.
Lmao seriously it's literally a opioid
It doesn't bind like opiods, it attaches to mu receptors. Huge difference. Kratom basically tricks the mu receptor into thinking an opiod is binding. Why it's so useful in fighting opiate withdrawls.
@kden7197 no its not. Opiods bind to the mu receptor, kratom attaches. Big difference.
I am here at this video because I've come from the "it's harmless and non-addicting" to "I think I might have a problem." I've been taking kratom daily since 2018. It's a conscious effort to not increase the dose as I've built up a high tolerance. I've been at 7 grams a day for years. I get antsy when I'm running low and feel agitated if I'm without for a few days. I've been addicted to cigarettes (quit those) and I drink a cup of coffee every day. My use of kratom is the only other time I'd admit addiction.
I thank god everyday for kratom! I was hit by a car while on a dirtbike 16 years ago, I lost my left leg (below knee) crushed my femer bone and hip and also broke my back in several places. I was on opiates for 14 years and eventually was taken off of them cold turkey I got through the withdrawls but was still suffering from chronic pain and was having issues running after my two toddlers and just doing physical activities in everday life I had to find something to help, thats when I found kratom. I have been on it for 2 years now and feel better than I ever did on opiates! I was able to get a full time job as well as taking care of my babies and house work. My constant migraines from a lesion on my brain also stopped. I hate it when people say that kratom is this horrible thing when it has helped me so much and the fear of that being taken away because they are ignorant to it is horrible
The reason Big Pharma hates Kratom!
Amen to that
Was you taking more then was prescribed and what pills where you taking
"eventually taken off of them cold turkey"
That literally makes no sense
@@ModalGroovemakes sense to me.
29 years old here . I have been on 1 tablespoon of kratom since 21. I have scoliosis and ankylosing spondylitis and i work 45+ hours a week. I tried tramadol and vicodin, made me very sick and lose weight. Kratom gave me everything back. Personality. Time. Freedom. Peace. Calm.
I drink kratom tea and eat fresh leaves from my kratom tree daily, for 6 years now. Kratom helped me completely quit 3 prescription meds. The daily benefits for me are migraine prevention, upper respiratory illness prevention, energy like coffee and pain relief. I have no fear of overdose/death, which was a very real possibility when I was on prescribed opiates. That's my anecdote.
Thank you Mac and AKA for tirelessly advocating for kratom consumers.
i want a kratom tree. where do i get one?
@@markhale6105I would also like a tree.
Me too
Lmao u have ur own Kratom tree? That’s lit
@@markhale6105 you can buy plants online
Kratom ruined my life.
Spent the last 4 years trying to get off it and going through withdrawal after withdrawal. It definitely does the same things as drugs. It definitely gives you a high. I’ve taken it in many different forms: extracts, powder, powdered-capsules, etc. they all gave a “high”. You’re telling me every single one was messed with and wasn’t pure? Then why did I test negative on every other drug test?
Mr. American Kratom Association is only on send and is unwilling to honestly discuss each point. How can you have a discussion when jumping all over the place?
you aren't normal
Brand? Obviously you were using extract. Not advocating for that. Just plain leaf. Small amounts.are all people should use. Smart usage. Safe usage.
That’s interesting. You must have taken a high dosage of it. I used to use it for depression and took a 500mg pill every 6 hours or so. I never once felt high, but took 3-4 pills a day. It completely took my depression away and worked far better than any other antidepressant, however, I quit taking it because I don’t know what it’s doing to me. I felt healthy enough on it, but I was afraid of liver issues because there’s no studies proving it’s safety at lower doses.
I now just suffer with my depression because I refuse to take the pharmacy medication as well. That stuff never worked and made me feel mentally terrible. I felt like blowing my head off.
@@PastaSausta2 grams a day is probably completely safe. It’s the 8 plus gpd that causes the problems.
When it comes to substances every one's brain chemistry is different. I never felt high on opiods, or kratom. I've been prescribed opioids for pain and I couldn't even take them because they made me feel sick. I took Kratom for anxiety and insomnia but never felt any type of euphoric feeling, but I know people who say they feel good and have energy off opioids. I met people who have a almost instant reaction after taking a spoonful of kratom and feel a noticeable difference but I don't. I just feel less antsy, but the come on is so gradual it's not a really noticeable. I only take it when my anxiety is really bad. I think the problem with all these substances is people taking them every day like vitamins. When it comes to any substance you should take it when you need it.
I've been using it for 6 years now and I will say that i most certainly am addicted to Kratom. So much so that I will do anything to get it if I run out in order to combat the extreme discomfort that comes along with it. That being extreme rls, constantly sneezing, watery eyes, aching body, sleeplessness, loss of interest in everything, an innaabillity to make it through a day of work without feeling extremely sluggish. As soon as I take it again though its instant relief beyond words. Im never without it now though so I always make sure to keep at least a kilo at hand at all times. I would rather die than to he without it...so...whatever man! Keep telling yourself its not, but in high doses and frequent, more than once or twice a day doses, it most certainly is addictive.
The way this guy from the aka speaks about it as if kratom is a miracle plant with no side effects is really dark. He either knows the harm it does and doesn't care, or he's so ignorant that he's an imminent threat to himself and others.
Addiction and dependency are two completely different things.
All opiates cause dependency and withdrawal after ,"more then 3 days of constant usage" but going through withdrawal because you have caused a "body shut down of endogenous natural body opioids chemicals",
and caused a physical dependency because of it. which countless drugs and plant medicines do that do not even get the person intoxicated. eg ... hormone replacement therapy, testosterone, thyroid etc..
This does not mean you are an addict. Addiction is a complete unwillingness to stop and go through the withdrawal symptoms, combined with a desire to use it to either avoid withdrawals or to get high /intoxicated even if it destroys your social life.
IF you have the mental fortitude to quit in spite of withdrawals then you are not an addict
I've been using it for 5 years but i take breaks for a week or two every 6 months or so. I can stop taking it without many issues at all. I workout a lot so maybe that has something to do with it.
Kratom has a ceiling effect my question is what made you go so hard with it?? Not bashing you, I'm a former opiate addict and I'm curious. The feeling kratom gives is just more of a blockage of cravings for opiates and to the non opiate user, the same feeling caffeine gives. Just curious as to why one would keep going up on the dose aside using it for opiate withdrawal?
You are an idiot @@mp-uy9sv
I have used this stuff for over five years. It has become a bad addiction. The withdrawals are worse psychologically to me than opiates. I’ve gone through withdrawal from prescription opiates. Some people may benefit from this plant, but not people like me. I am going to have to find help to get off of Kratom. If you have an addictive personality, beware. Do not listen to all the hype that it is totally safe and there are no withdrawals. This is the truth. I have lived in hell for a few years now. I’ve lost 50 pounds, lost my hair, low libido, constipation, mood swings… on and on. I do not take any other drugs or even drink. God bless.
I recommend Always weighing your doses. A scale is essential in Kratom use. It allows you to taper off without heavy withdrawals. I go down a half a gram at a time. Chronic constipation will also cause health problems. I have to take magnesium and psyillium husk fiber everyday so that I don't get backed up.
I hate it, I didn't realize what it would do to me, sure it helped me kick a habit, however all I did was make a new habit with kratom.
I'm done with it all.
After taking Kratom for 2.5 years at 20-30 gpd ( 1 tsp in the morning and 3-4 heaping tsp after work) I was hopelessly addicted. Hair loss, constipation, isolation and withdrawal were destroying me. It was difficult to quit, I am about two weeks into cold turkey and I feel mostly better but there are still lingering withdrawal symptoms.
I can see how Kratom would be great for some people but I am not one of those people. I don't think it should be illegal but people need to know how addictive it is.
This is the part they don't realize. It can be a God send if used respectfully & as a stepping stone. There is a dark side to this ish . They'll eventually find out
I am struggling with a 3 year heavy kratom habit. I can't face my life without it but I know it is really bad to use as much as I do. I go through 2 kilos a month.
Sure Kratom isn’t a good choice for everyone. But it certainly is a life saver…
Kratom can be extremely addictive and control your life as much as any opiate.
Every one is different I'm just tired of withdrawals.
With all due respect, why did you start it in the first place then? We are all adults here. I did research before I started taking it bc it’s our responsibility to know what we are putting inside our bodies. I knew full well that it can cause a tolerance which means your body can get accustomed to it which means dependent which means wds can happen or symptoms of not feeling well if you take it regularly and don’t taper. It’s not rocket science. Most herbs and meds do this. It’s nothing new. If a person cannot control themselves and exhibit out of control behavior and self destructs or is toxic in their actions as in abuse or overtaking well that’s on you. The person shouldn’t of took so much OR why can’t you slowly taper?? I have ppl who ask me how they can taper and I help many. But there are some who are just harmful and stubborn and want things now and are resistive. They don’t want to be bothered by slowly tapering and taking the time to decrease over time so they end up having bad wds. 🤷🏼♀️ If the person is so deep into their addictive mentality and literally cannot stretch it out bc they have to consume all every last bit until they’re out then you need to get help for your issues and probably this plant or anything that has any kind of alkaloid content you should avoid. No caffeine nothing. But even without these mild substances and foods there are other things I’m sure are a struggle but won’t be resolved as long as you keep running from addressing the reasons why in therapy. I’m sorry to didn’t work out for you? If I may ask Did you start taking it to get off of heroin or opioids etc? I really do want to try and help ppl who are interested in this plant and save them from unnecessary time wasted if they don’t want to address their issues or don’t want anything that can become accustomed to their body. Suboxone and methadone are far more addicting and are actually making ppl nod off while driving and they are being given to ppl to get sober which is baffling to me. It literally doesn’t make any sense for someone to be against Kratom yet supports or consumes suboxone or methadone. So much ignorance or denial bc they’re so addicted to it. Suboxone is a partial agonist like Kratom but at least Kratom doesn’t cause horrific side effects for most like subs or methadone. Methadone is a full opioid agonist. But I see ppl push it and condemn the plant Kratom. I don’t know your story but I’m just blabbing a bit here. I appreciate you saying everyone is different. It gives me a sign of hope that maybe you bash it across the board and are thinking of others and not just yourself. I hope I didn’t come across as hostile ty brother
@@mykratomstory7494 I used kratom to get off opiates. It helped me deal with the acute withdrawals. Then painlessly tapered kratom to zero use. I've dealt with withdrawals most of my life I'm Just tired of it.
Maybe look into additional natural therapies. Paws is an issue because of our use of opiates, etc. ❣️
@@mykratomstory7494 bruh, he said 9 words and you wrote an epic trilogy in response in which you made like 20 assumptions about this dude's life and intentions
@@jorgeluisflores5980 No I didn’t. YOU are assuming I’m implying all of that about him. I was simply stating the science and different scenarios ppl get into when taking this plant. One thing I don’t understand or I actually think it’s severe addiction mentality is that if someone really is tired of their situation then why not taper off of the substance. If someone is having severe negative effects from something they’re taking and can’t stop that’s bc they are out of control in their behavior. They need help. They need psychotherapy to change their behavior and the underlying root driving their actions. It amazes me how quick ppl are to let themselves off the hook. Kratom is just a plant in the coffee family. If you cannot control your use of it then you should avoid all stimulants. Doesn’t mean that no one can take it bc millions of us consume successfully without any sort of withdrawals etc
Dr. B.. You’re WRONG when you say Kratom consumers don’t do well on this plant when taking it long term. I have been taking it for 3 years and I have hundreds and hundreds of Kratom consumers my friends who have been taking this plant for 6-10 years with the same dose that they started with. Switching strains is a simple way of keeping it effective.
I think I said we do not know how they do long term. If came across otherwise I apologize. The omly way to evaluate is long term data.
I appreciate that Dr. B. 🙂
Try to stop taking it for a few days, then tell us how you feel
I already do. I take regular breaks. What is a real disgrace and It’s sad I think that you’re only going by the minority. Just bc a few ppl might have trouble with this plant it doesn’t mean that the rest of the majority are lying. The majority including myself don’t get addicted. It’s not a problem. I also don’t have a preoccupation with it which is what addiction IS. I forget to take it. Some days I take it three times. Others I dose once. I don’t have some horrific withdrawal from it. It makes me so mad that ppl are condemning something so good. Someone who has out-of-control behavior well they’re going to self destruct with just about everything. That has nothing to do with this plant. I’m a psych nurse so I understand addiction and behavior. The majority of Americans are taking this successfully long term.
@@mykratomstory7494 commenting from my own direct experience , i am still recovering from daily low dose, now have heart problems , severe depression and joint pain i never had before. Alkaloid my ass, this stuff is an opiate.. how long did you stop for when you took breaks..
I am glad this works for you, but i am angry about my own situation, lol.
obviously..yes my comments look aggressive. Im still upset about it
Kratom saves alot more lives than it kills IMO. It is addictive but majority of the "Kratom Deaths" are people who have kratom in their system dying by other means. KRATOM harms big pharma, so of course the FDA wants it illegal. Harm reduction= regulation.
P.S. This was an extremely educational and entertaining video, thank you Dr. B.
I think you missed my whole point, nor was my argument causing death, and I whole heartedly agree it very very likely has therapeutic benefit.
@@DrBAddictionRecovery oh no Dr. B I'm not disagreeing or saying you are wrong in any way. I'm just giving my uneducated opinion 20 minutes in 😂. Love your channel sir!
@@mbuckholz Thank you
Kratom doesn't kill anyone.
@@The51stAgent By itself
To say that kratom isn’t addictive is bs. It is a drug. You take it it makes you feel good and you just take more and more. I am trying to wean off of this stuff and it is hard. I will do it and I will never touch it again.
I see your comment was 8 months ago.. can I ask, how did the taper go? Do you have any advice for someone 4 days into a taper?
He's all BS.
I can't take these bozos serious anymore they drug addicts in denial say it as it is bro it's a drug calling it a food is so stupid you can't just eat kratom as a food you would barf it all up
So would I go to an eating disorder facility instead of a rehab because it’s considered food? No, that is ridiculous
I don’t doubt that some individuals can use kratom safely without becoming addicted and it can help with many things. However, if you are an addict, it is just another coping mechanism. I was a fentanyl addict and got into kratom post sobriety. At first it was amazing and I felt great.. now I am addicted and I cannot go a day without it due to a withdrawal.
In addition- I’m not trying to say to illegalize it. We just need more research on long term use.
Would you rather be addicted to fentanyl/heroin or kratom? Obviously anything can result in physical dependence if you abuse it.
@@fabricatorgeneralcaz534 yes well said
Kratom withdrawals are a legit walk in the park compared to classic opioids. It’s related to coffee botanically, in the coffee family. Grow some balls.
@@iGNiTETheKiD and how about SSRIs like prozac and zoloft? They take a long time to taper off of.
Thanks for this discussion. I would love to see a discussion about this autopsy or one like it with another scientist who might have an opposing opinion about the conclusion. Kratom's metabolism in the liver and how it might inhibit the metabolism of other drugs is a concern, though I can't understand why millions of people , even middle aged or elderly, can consume kratom and not be made ill if it is toxic enough to be the cause of death in a 24 year old.
It definitely blocks other opiates just like suboxone. If something stops cravings, it simultaneously blocks the craved substance
The 24 yr old was using 3 drugs and used alcohol.
Kratom has helped me with severe pain in my back. I'm so glad I found it.
Both men make excellent points. You know what will bring us all to a true and real understanding of Kratom? Research. We need researchers without any skin in the game to conduct CLINICAL studies to get to the bottom of abuse and medicinal use potential. Drives me nuts. (I personally think both Dr. B and Haddow need to try to be more open to the other’s ideas and interpretations but I love them both!)
Exactly
kratominfocenter.org/christopher-r-mccurdy-ph-d/
The problem is Mr haddow is literally arguing that kratom has no side effects or dependency issues, and that is a very dangerous, dark, and frankly evil lie that ropes unwitting and naive people with addictive personalities into abusing it and doing serious harm to themselves.
Addicts are already prone to lying to themselves and others to justify their addictions, this guy is fighting tooth and nail to sanction them with a fairytale that they've found the ONE plant in all of existence that is pleasantly intoxicating and not addictive or has harmful side effects.
I've been through hell in the last 6 years and I see right through this charlatan and all of the people living in lala land pretending that they aren't addicted to kratom. It's time to grow up.
It’s not some new thing. It’s literally been used safely in south east Asia for over 3000 years as an opiate alternative with no known overdoses. But yes, more research would be nice.
This should be treated as a food just as mentioned in this video. Many foods which are extremely beneficial can cause serious health issues at higher doses. For example, nutmeg is a powerful hallucinogenic when you consume over 2 teaspoons. Black and green tea are high in tannins which can damage your liver if you have too much. All of these have extremely beneficial properties as well, but as mentioned here we need to know the dose. At what levels are Kratom safe and effective.
Doctor B your videos have been monumental in my recovery. After 10 years of a meth addiction, I have now been off the shit for over 90 days. The fatigue was so ridiculous that I turned to Kratom for energy, and to reduce my anxiety. It's helped so much. As a professional addict, I could tell immediately that it was highly likely to become my new addictive substance. Dude was fired up, but doesn't comprehend that 3 animal studies where the rat doesn't pull the lever, doesn't mean that substance abusers will treat Kratom like a cup of coffee. The stuff is too good to be true. It's better than my meth addiction, but I know darn well what the future holds. Hell yes it's addictive!
Yeah there's some serious word magic going on with the crowd who believes that kratom is spotless and not addictive. They're living in denial, fueled by flooded mu receptors.
Exactly, same here. The guy from the Kratom association is either ignorant or lying. For me it’s Kratom or meth. Wish I could just give up both, but I have to live my life. Kratom has been able to help me change my lifestyle and someday I may be able to quit Kratom. It’s been 9 months since this comment How are things going for you? I’m only 2 months in.
Interesting u used it to get off methamphetamine! Thank u for sharing your experience...good, fair, honest insight. As an opiate addict, my experience was quite similar, and I can relate to your story very much! In my case though, I actually experienced Withdrawal from the kratom AFTER using kratom alone for quite some time. This was rather alarming to me, but I got through it with slow tapering...It was unmistakably similar to opiate withdrawal, HOWEVER, far far milder. I feel like it absolutely has benefits, yet must truly be respected and utilized with responsibility. It was awesome that this stuff existed to help me in my process, yet at the same time, in my opinion, it definitely has abuse potential. If someone takes this substance every day for an extended period of time, the brain really does not discriminate between the effects of the kratom and actual opiates as far as what is being done neurochemically in brains opioid receptors. Thanks for your honesty cause if I dare explain the pros AND the cons, proponents of kratom basically tell me to F-off and dismiss me.
it's addictive but only based on the way it's used. Unregulated it can definitely be bad but taken in moderation and responsibly. With that bring said, the guy from the Kratom association never said it wasn't addictive, he actually acknowledged that it could be. But not as much as illicit drugs and its a million times more safe than illicit drugs.
Coffee is also fairly addictive… guess what, using it every day actually decreases your chance of getting dementia
Kratom sucks. It had me addicted for 4 years and had me throwing tons of money away every week. It's not regulated and it's highly addictive. I hate kratom!!!
how much were you taking?
tons of money? how did you do that?
One more thing: “If you’ve been doing it for 6 months, give me a call in 5 years”. That was REALLY well-said and it sums up beginning of opioid addiction (denial stage) I.m.o. Very well said. I believe this can be said for both Kratom and opioids. Furthermore, I had found some Kratom strains to be JUST as effective as some opioids I’ve done (and just as addictive). This is just my personal exp. With certain strains, I did not notice w/f symptoms at all…
Then it wasn’t really kratom…THINK ABOUT IT
@@KryptonixX How do you know??? Do you study Kratom as a science procedure? Why are you so sure? Are you an advocate?
@@KryptonixX l see your point that if its effect is as strong as a opioid then its alterated BUT there is drying processes indoors w no uv ray exposure & temp controlled settings rather than sun dried outside & the results are uncomparable. The no uv ray drying process dont break down the alkaloids as much. Especially the 7oh which what causes the opioid like effect. Which creates a much stronger kratom thats effects are very similiar to opioids such as oxycodone & hydrocodone. So much stronger w that drying process that l had to cut my dose back by half. Which is a good thing. Basically my point is if u have quality properly dried kratom then it is indeed really strong like an opioid. Thx
@@chris73brown Interesting, I did now know this. T.y. for sharing.
@@serious-cyrusnoelan8127 👍. Thx for letting me know u appreciate. That means alot. Thx
Every time the doctor doesnt like where the conversion is going he attacks the format of the discussion and trys to controll the direction. It just shows hes not confident and thinks he knows everything.
I have not used it for withdrawals, but have heard great things from people I know. I take it daily, and it has relieved my depression completely and has tremendously alleviated my anxiety
And I might add that I am clean for 85 days now from all drugs, and have had no cravings
@@Wallflowersification Congratulations for your success! Keep it up. I'm so happy that Kratom has helped you so much! Can you even imagine some rehab places putting people on suboxone to get them away from kratom? That's like using dynamite to kill a roach!
how much do you take daily? what types?
Everyday Kratom consumer for the last 7 years.
Kratom replaced 18 prescriptions that had devastating side effects for me.
I am a business owner and can save now, a functional citizen of society.
As far as withdrawal symptoms, yes I have experienced mild withdrawal symptoms from time to time but made the decision 7 years ago the withdrawal symptoms from Kratom are nothing compared to the withdrawals I suffered with from pharmaceuticals.
For me it is a much healthier way for me to treat my chronic pain and bi-polar disorder with the LEAST amount of risk
Thanks for posting. Did you have anxiety or other neuro symptoms from the 18 prescriptions? Were you on any drugs for depression/anxiety like Mertazapine? I've had severe anxiety, depression, and a dozen other neuro symptoms. I had a terrible reaction to propofol (sedative for colonoscopy) and a terrible reaction to 3 days of the lowest dose of Mertazapine taken 2 weeks ago. I hope its safe if I use a low dose of Kratom for sleep. I'm aware not to keep increasing the dose even tho I suppose it could be tempting. I'm extremely health conscious.
@@cathrynp3491 yes, I was on two antidepressants at the time. One being cymbalta and the other Imipramine.
I had been on the cymbalta for 26 years.
I have been dealing with anxiety and depression since I've been 13 years old. EXTREME anxiety!
For me, the antidepressants were not doing anything to help.
Over the years, they have put me on every known antidepressant and for some reason my body cannot deal with the negative side effects. If I felt like I was getting any relief from the anxiety and depression, maybe I would be willing to tolerate all of the negative side effects but why continue taking it if it's only hurting?
I suppose after realizing how toxic some of these pharmaceuticals can be, I decided to try Kratom, I felt like I had nothing to lose but I also felt that there was no possible way that this benign plant would be able to have so many positive impacts on my body.
Honestly, the primary reason I wanted to try Kratom was because I have a broken back and I refused to take narcotic pain medication. After my car accident, my doctor had me on so much pain medication I couldn't even walk down the hallway let alone hold a job.
Those pain medications almost killed me. How I didn't overdose on everything he had me on, I can only say that was God.
I quit everything, EVERYTHING, cold turkey and took Kratom only.
It is nothing short of a miracle for me. Yes, some people say they've had terrible withdrawals from Kratom and I believe them but that just hasn't been my experience.
Even if it is addicting the same way coffee is addicting, that's a much better choice for me than being on all of those toxic medications for the rest of my life.
I took 15 capsules a day for 3 months and had acute liver failure from kratom
Did your liver recover?
Also, can you elaborate a little more. Did you take it with alcohol or any other substances? Where did you get your Kratom?
You must have had a bad liver already.
@dipper888bp idk bro. I was taking a lot. Maybe
@@lost4199 7.5 gpd is not a lot.
Kratom is good because it helps if you where already addicted to stronger substances, but if not then it can be considered bad because it is addictive and hard to quit. I been trying to quit for 5 years
Kratom is saving me from opiate addiction and it is wonderful for pain.
I was hooked on kratom for 4 years shits no joke. I’m glad to see this discussion and i actually side with the doc (which I wouldn’t have years ago) however dude comes off EXTREMELY condescending and rude to the AKA dude
Treating Kratom as food is peak delusion
Exactly what I'm saying imagine making a salad with kratom leaves you'd barf it all up it's not food at all
So simple; its BOTH
Saves lifes, ruins lives.
Addicts get addicted, non addicts don’t.
Non addicts don’t keep increasing the dose, addicts do.
For chronic pain, being addicted might be better than living in pain. Personal decision.
“MAY BE HABIT FORMING
The End !!!
6 years of daily kratom use. Haven’t used drugs since and have a productive life and happy wife and kids. Went from living in my car to owing my own business. My family calls me for loans now 😂.
John- Glad you’re successful but after 6 years of use, you’re a kratom addict if you take it or need it every day.
It helps with quitting alcohol too
Absolutely 💯, I use it for harm reduction, it's keeping me off Opiates and benzos. Six months clean.
I have to get this out there. I have been taking Kratom since 2014 regularly I first started with the powder. I later switched to brewing it and filtering out the plant matter. The difference is huge, I have noticed less side effects and better overall effects. If you consume kratom stay away from extracts and raw powder (especially if you have addiction problems). Get a hold of the crushed leaf and learn to brew it. Also don't abuse it, its not going to cure you it will however help you function if your in severe pain. If you have never taken opiates do not mess with kratom unless, you recently were injured prescribed real opiates and want to try alternatives. People please lets not play stupid anymore coffee is extremely addictive, so is sugar, sex and a million other things humans do in modern civilization. Modern civilization is also extremely stressful. More than half the people I know use something to help cope with daily life. Is that wrong? Who is to say so? What if this herb is addictive does that mean it is bad? Also if you consumed kratom and it felt great don't act surprised that you became addicted to it, obviously! Lets be real I am sick and fucking tired of the lies!!!! Stop lying to yourself! Take control of your life, before things "addictions" get out of hand .
I got some free samples for you and you pay only for shipping
Jesus says nothing of this Kratomon
Actually I started taking it and stopped my Suboxone. I think today is the first day I can feel it and it's taking almost all my withdrawal away. 2 g a dose
Congratulations! That’s a huge accomplishment. No longer a prisoner to that med .
@@cr-nd8qh b...bbuuutt... muh jesus
I always love what you do. I really mean it. I don't really know anybody else speaking up on the topics you bring up. So i say a big thank you to you
Thankyou. I hope this was educational. I hope it helps.
@@DrBAddictionRecoveryyes 👍 it definitely helps. I don't want to put out to much information, on here, regarding myself, but i can totally relate.
@@stevenf7752 lol. Me too. And I appreciate that you noticed I stick my neck out. :)
With all due respect, Dr. B your statement ‘Kratom is a psychoactive’ as to go against Mac Haddow’s statement that ‘Kratom is a food’ ~ You being a doctor should know better that ANYTHING on this planet in which we consume that has ANY effect on our brain chemistry classifies it as ‘psychoactive’. Coffee is a psychoactive. Food is psychoactive. Anything that has alkaloids is ‘psychoactive’ so to say that Kratom is bad because it’s a psychoactive or that it can’t be a food because it’s psychoactive is plainly INCORRECT. This is what the FDA tho is hoping that you’re going to buy into.
Thank you Sir Mac Haddow ..our beloved leader. 🍃 We love and respect you!!! Thank you Dr. B for taking this time and listening to our side regarding Kratom!!!! We appreciate you!!!
Wait, doesn't 46:30 literally prove the point about kratoms natural use vs adulterated or processed use?
I wonder how far along the kratom extract dilemma has been around at the time this was video was published. All I can say is that I've never been dependent on a substance until I started using the extracts. It's pretty much heroin in a bottle. Period. I am on day 4 of outpatient treatment to get off this crap. It is also making my hair fall out; along with loss in strength, loss of sex drive, and absence of healthy living. The withdrawals so bad that I have to take medications to get off of it (suboxone and clonidine). Note: I did manage to quit once with the help of real opiates (morphine). I then weaned off of that because it is less addicting than kratom.
How are you doing now?
My son became very addicted to kratom, which didn’t remove any other cravings, making things very very difficult for my son. Now my son needs meds to control kratom cravings.
I wish kratom could work but I like how it feels too much. I just tried to go back to the kratom again recently to get off my subs and it upsets my stomach too much because I have IBS. There is no easy way out of opiate withdrawal. I’m not against kratom but it’s not something that one should rely on. I wish I could take kratom but I can’t. Sadly I’m going to have to jump off the subs cold turkey.
Did you succeed in getting off them?
How long on subs?
Dr B - I’m sorry I know that this is an older video. But regarding that FDA case report, is it not true that alcohol, Benadryl, and Remeron all have the potential to cause respiratory depression? Kratom does not generally cause respiratory depression so why on earth would the medical examiner claim this death as mainly caused by kratom?
Where you listening?
Does anyone else think it’s funny how often the kratom advocate had to read from a script?
I’m a 66 year old Crazy Cat Babe, I’ve been on Oxycodone for 17 years, I was also on Fentanyl for 15 years. I chose to get off Fentanyl when my grandson came into my life. It took me a couple of weeks to kick the sickness of that drug. I now choose to get off Oxycodone and im using Kratom to help so I don’t get sick again, im too old to kick. Kratom is working to get me off Oxycodone and im glad to get off pharma meds and if I can help others to get off pharma meds in a healthy manner Kratom is the crutch to help. There is no side effects to Kratom with getting off Oxycodone. Im so sorry you are so closed minded to Kratom with helping get off pharma drugs and their abuse.
Kratom has Saved many of my family and friends from dangerous pharmaceuticals and I am an advocate for Kratom.
A man I work with had to go to rehab to get off Kratom. I'm on day 13 suboxone free after 16 years of 8 mg strips. I'm too afraid to take Kratom. Insomnia and RLS are the worst part. But I only have to do this ONCE.
Rick- How are you on your taper. If i went from 8mg cold turkey from subs i would die.
@@texastoast5202 I'm 18 weeks away from Suboxone! I feel great and now I'm FREE. I jumped from .25 mgs
You got this man !
Living in recovery and being around addicts my entire adulthood I have only seen kratom become a distraction from true abstinent recovery with really bad consequences in some cases because time is fragile and important and developing a strong abstinent foundation is crucial and key to avoid things like long prison stents and drug over doses.
People do not risk prison or drug overdoses from Kratom.
@@gsdlover257 you think that's what he said?
But if your not following abstinence programs but using harm reduction, it’s a great choice. It won’t kill you. That’s a big improvement.
Abstaining is NOT the right way for recovery for everyone.
Quit being judgmental because they won’t do it the old and only way of abstinence. That kills a lot of people. Most over doses are from being abstinent then using with a much lower tolerance. Also abstinence only works long term for 3%. That why they have the “Why you Were chosen prayer”. Not many make it. Time to try something new.
I finished drug court here in Las Vegas about 2 years ago and have heard they are now testing for Kratom randomly on UAs. Unreal.
I appreciate this discussion. I’m diagnosed with ADHD/OCD/GAD. The medications to treat them often counter each other. While I am seeing therapist with CBT/DBT techniques (which work), medications are important. Both are effective. However, the stimulant meds for ADHD seem to exacerbate drug seeking behaviour. I was a mess for ten years. A year ago, I started Kratom use and it’s changed my habits - no drinking, no stimulants, frequent exercise, eating healthier etc. However, I’ve gone back to pharmaceuticals because While it works, I’m terrified of getting Kratom that is unregulated for quality and standardization. I wish it was regulated and sold with government controlled quality control so I know Kratom I buy is only Kratom.
I’m not affiliated but check out Left Coast Kratom. From my research they are the best when it comes to health standards and so on. Have MS and also wish this would be taken seriously as a medicine, studied further and regulated. Hope you are doing well. God bless❤
Super Speciosa is GMP certified. You can scan the barcode and see all the ingredients.
Indigenous studies should matter. The reason the Indigenous people's have been using coca leaves for years with no I'll effects because they aren't extracting and changing the plant into cocain. Not a hard concept to understand
Yep. And they're not abusing it. Many Kratom addicts take up to 100 grams per day. In Peru, natives use coca with respect for its potencies and benefits. The same probably goes for the historical appropriate use of Kratom.
I’ve been on it six years kratom that is and I’m still doing really well I think if you try to overuse kratom you would be a dummy. You really can’t you will vomit bottom line .
Try quiting it for a few days and let me know hos you feel.
@@clerictamer I would rather not just because it keeps me off opiates.The withdrawals of coming off kratom for me at least was not even close to withdrawal from opiates !!!
@@DownHom3 I prefer real narcotics as well but kratom is not as frowned upon😐
@@clerictamerKratom is habit forming if you abuse it, what's the point you're trying to make?
So confused. I started taking 6 grams 3 times a day. It irritated my urinary tract and l stopped about 4 months ago.
I injured my elbow and began taking 1 gram 2 times a day and it works . It seems to boost my mood better than my anti depressant.
"It seems to boost my mood better than my anti depressant." yeah best way to an opioid addiction. Yes i lived it myself for 8 yrs
Yes, it can do that too. I need a little more than that for depression but it has helped me quite a lot. That's why they say that less can be more.
It has SSRI properties and there is a withdrawal syndrome very similar to pharmaceutical SSRI’s upon cessation.
Micro dosing is always far superior in my opinion. At those levels, it truly is amazing how effective it is at treating depression.
@@supercunthunt7756did you take 2 grams a day for 7 years?
I grow my own Kratom. Mix some fresh leaves with some green tea and its waaaaaaaay better. Keep it to once or twice a month and its perfectly safe.
Heroin is pretty safe if you only use it twice a month.
@@nigelgeiger6020 I actually grow my own poppies to, so your point is moot.
@@Farfetched.no, his point is totally accurate. All drugs are safe twice a month. Addicts can’t do twice a month.
2200mg of gabapentin is a very high dose. Doctors do not recommend over 1200mg per day 400mg 3 times per day.
My anxiety is controlled by Gabapentin and other drugs and i will agree gabapentin has high abuse potential but i cant find a safer way to control the panic and anxiety i used to suffer from. its better than benzodiazapenes and close derivatives.
Talk therapy and philosophy would be my recomendation. It has done wonders for me..
Please look into gabapentin more! More is coming out about that drug and the harmful side 😞
Very few people taking gabapentin have serious problems
www.nhs.uk/medicines/gabapentin/
@@ibrahim-sj2cr Does it make you tired & or lack of concentration eva?
Have you tried Kratom for your issues? There are thousands of people who take kratom, with much success, for the same thing.
It’s ruining my life. I stopped it today.
This is total bullshit I use Kratom to get off Suboxone but couldn’t quit kratom without horrible withdrawal Then I relapsed and now I’m going to have to get back on Suboxone Kratom sucks!
There's Caesar Salad, Chicken Salad, Cobb Salad, and now... Word Salad. It's tough going against someone who can speak with extreme clarity.
You absolutely nailed it Dr. B towards the end because I was totally misinformed and uneducated about krantom when it first came out. If I would have known what I no now I can't honestly say I would have even tried it.
What do you know now that stopped you from taking it?
@@gsdlover257 i stopped taking it because when it wore off my pain was more intense. As far as addicting I truly believe that people are susceptible only because it did help me with my pain. But the longer you take it the more you have to increase the amount you take in order for it to work. Not to mention that in time you will need more.
Ummm...Not true. Same for a decade. No upping anything.
@@kpascuch whatever you want to believe 🙄🙄
Kratom is in my first aid kit. I was able to continue a camp out with a sprained knee and no pain.
I was a piece of chop meat from an IED They flew me from the sandbox to Ramstien AFB Germany After years on HD pain meds and multiple surgeries I wanted to end that relationship as well as other things The hardest thing to do is end their use when you suffer from constant pain. I may NEVER be free from opiods but withdrawal isn't that bad with Kratom. Medicine AND care should be between a doctor and a patient not a guy in DC or at an insurance company. If this work for someone leave them alone Kratom isn't used to get high and if someone is taking it it's most likely because a doctor has FAILED somewhere in their journey
I'm very sorry to hear about hardtime you've been thru. There are other ways to manage pain. Like meditations, maybe enhanced with psychedelics and proper guide that knows what to do. There are painblocking injections at nerve pathways with novo/pro/benzo/xxx/-caine, like at the dentist. There are physiotherapy, massage etc that may reduce/remove discomfort and there are NSAID drugs, ibuprofen, naproxen, meloxicam and so on. It's scary that opioids seems to be 1st choice for pain management in us. I'm glad EU avoided (to some extent) Rx. opioids crisis.
I have been addicted to kratom for five years trying to wean off this is terrible. I got a euphoria taking it so I had to get my fix. I would feel like shit missing my dose. My joints are aching my brain telling me there’s metals in this crap. I’m done with this drug.
I've been using kratom for 6 years due to addiction and chronic pain. I am going to enter a rehab tomorrow hopefully. Its extremely hard to get off of. Kratom has saved my life for the past 6 years but now it doesn't work
Same but I took it to constantly! I should be skipping days. So my fault
It will work if you take it 3 days a week and no more than 5 grams. My experience is it always relieves anxiety but it does not energize me anymore. When I first started taking it I got an energy boost high about half an hour after taking it for weight training.
@@keithgreenan3177 addiction is not dose dependent. Some (a rare few) will have addiction problems but the great majority won't. I can't take breaks because of pain issues and don't want to stop using it for that reason. I do make sure that I don't increase my doses over time and I still take the same amount that I did 7 years ago when I first started.
How are you doing now?? They gave you suboxone correct? You still taking it? It’s waaaaaaay harder to get off of, me personally don’t see how someone can think they can taper off suboxone but not Kratom, it baffles me
@@These-nutz Yes they did, I only subs as needed and went back to kratom to manage my pain after a year off.
How can the AKA guy say kratom doesn’t have abuse potential? I can’t take him seriously after that. It doesn’t mean that kratom doesn’t have benefits and I don’t think it should be illegal, but let’s be real here.
This guy constantly dogs on "anecdotal" reports on positive Kratom use, then supports his position of scheduling Kratom by using his personal experience with patients (at one point he says ,"about 20 which is alot") which by his own definition are anecdotal reports. He pretends no bias, yet his bias is clear enough to me.
Hi Dr. B, I would love to hear your thoughts on prescription amphetamines, namely Vyvanse, as a treatment for ADHD and just in general.
Best regards,
Trevor
Hi Trevor. I promise I will get to it at some point.
Day 3 of kratom withdrawal, I never took anything else it's been hell, miserable days.
Kratom saves lives ♥️I would be dead if it had become illegal.
it become illegal in France
@@LauraLaura-pc3ix I think same here in Ireland. and melatonin, too
Same here. As far as I am concerned, Kratom saved my life and improved the quality (and quantity) of life. Kanna also helped my quality of life, but not to the level as Kratom! This issue wouldn't exist if it wasn't because people, especially youths, took Kratom to get "high" (aquire euphoria) as a recreational drug; then they did too much, got nauseous, and feared that the Kratom they consumed was toxic and they were poisoned.
I take Kratom for arthritis pain, but I can live with pain. I also take Kratom for my atrial fibrillation and high blood pressure and high heart rate! This use HAS saved my life. Kratom takes me out of atrial fibrillation, lowers my BP and heart rate! I am a case study in this regard!
Shouldn't be illegal, of course. Neither should heroin. But kratom is awful.
@@yoloparrot42 it saved me $
“No potential for abuse” he says…. Give me a break. Thousands of people have gone through 7-10 days of acute withdrawal followed by 1-2 months of paws. This addiction can get really bad. You’ll end up in one of two states through out the day, high or in withdrawals..
All I can say is that I got to a point that I was taking 10 pills a day of hydrocodone and Kratom safe my life and I been clean for 2 years and not taking Kratom anymore .
Where do you buy Kratom??
@@lindseynickel3384 Please visit www.americankratom.org for vetted vendors. Always make sure that, wherever you buy, that the product has been lab tested for any sort of contaminates. Stay away from convenience/smoke stores, as their products may not be safe and pure and their prices are stupid high.
Hi. Can you guide me through the process you went through? What was your opioids use like and how did you used Kratom to eradicate the opioids, till not needing it anymore. Thank you in advanced.
Congrats on being clean. How did you taper off of kratom?
been using it for at least 3 years the only bad side effects i get is nausea also it makes me urinate a lot but if i take zofran it wont make me nauseous choice botanicals is the brand i use.
Kratom helped me a lot and it is always so preferable to street opiates, but also I am tapering aggressively and after 4 years of use the withdrawal from kratom is also brutal (maybe 5% of heroin withdrawal, but 5% is plenty to wish I was dead)
The wd is worse from kratom to me because of the mental side of it.
Excellent explanation…
It's been 2.5 years since this video was posted. Where are we with regulating Kratom and getting it the recognition it deserves?
Dr. B I have tried the 3 strains of Krantom and I absolutely agree with you. I will tell you when I tried the red krantom it worked in 15 minutes I had energy and it helped me with my neck and back pain very quickly. At first it lasted 2 hours and 4 or 5 days later it lasted maybe a hour and I was in worse pain after. It's very addicting. I thank God I realized something was wrong when I realized that when it wore off I was in more pain then I had before I took it.
Everyone is different. It was very addicting for YOU. I'm sorry that it was, but it isn't for everyone.
@@gsdlover257 your absolutely right everybody's body is different
I found that to be a huge problem with oxycodone, being in more pain than when I started, but not with kratom. My residual pain once is wears off is pretty mild compared to where it had been on the narcotics.
@@cyndiann that's good but unfortunately it doesn't work that way for everyone
@@painpatientsaddiction3640 and yet I've never heard anyone out of the hundreds I know who had your experience. And I know most had my experience. Something wrong there. Not believing it.
Where can I find organically grown kratom from a clean source?
At the plant
@@DrBAddictionRecovery Thanks, that's super helpful...
Urban Ice Botanicals. They're organic. I'm going to try mine for the first time.
Thank you Dr. B for everything you do. Your work is much appreciated ❤
I like how you didn't hold back. An honest discussion.
@@MikeyBAAZ What? Suboxone is baby? What does this mean
@@cassondralynch6342 it made my life a living hell
@@cassondralynch6342 only 1 year taking it
I have nothing but positive experiences with kratom (for pain) but u r the first video I saw that was understanding of the supportive view instead of the "you are a junkie!" "Its going to kill you!!" type attitude. Ty
Dr B I’d love to see you talk about thienobenzodiazepines; such as Clonazolam, Flualprazolam, Etizolam etc.
ive been taking kratom for 5 years exactly. Started in 2017 when I worked in a factory bagging mulch for 10-12 hours. It helped me get through many rough nights. I love it and am going to continue using it, with that being said I definitely agree it can be abused potentially especially in capsule form or the shots. I will also say i have had slight withdrawal effects, mostly just restless leg syndrome which usually occurs in my arms for some reason. But other than that I love it and I have now only resulted to making kratom tea whereas I used to just pound it in bottles of water. Definitely a more clean way of ingesting and much better feeling. Keep Kratom Alive and Safe. I agree it should be regulated and labeled though.
Regulated? Eww.
I've been taking opoids for 25 years now and now take subutex, idk if I'll ever stop because I've been through the withdrawals and got over them eventually but I have took them so long that every part of my body hurts every joint. So I don't try to stop I worry about them cutting me off.
I'm in the same boat. Struggling with the decision to just say fuck it im staying on forever.
I wonder if this guy would whistle a different tune if he ended up hooked on leaf, powder, or extracts and knew he was needed to quit and also needed to avoid horrible withdrawal symptoms. "Safe" is relative. How do you know the shit hasn't been adulturated? That said, I still don't think it should be put in Schedule I.