Don't forget prot pally has a lot of interrupts via avenger's shield and you can help your healer out with some big protection/healing CDs. Massive utility that's very pug friendly.
The pug value for prot pally should not be overlooked. The interrupts will be huge with the new stop behavior as well. As a healer I would much rather have a protnoally I need to heal but who is mitigating huge party damage with interrupts than the other way around. The other utility is big too (blessings, etc. This coming from someone who is in the 12-14 3k range. Higher keys are different of course
Also, it can be a tank that gets punished hard. Don't have 100% shield block because you didn't play well/pick talents properly? You're getting wrecked. Face your back to mobs? You're getting wrecked than any other tank taking hits from behind.
Oh yea. Thunderclap is a cooldown. Shieldslam is a cooldown. Revenge shares resource with IP and IP is best bound on mousewheel. Fuck thats not even worth a footnote in comparison to guardian druid's apm blasting. Youre gonna annihilate your raze keybind.
Being a player who both plays FFXIV and WoW on and off, I really appreciate your videos. Been leveling a protection warrior and just hit level cap last night, so I'm looking to gear up and try some content and this helps me feel a bit more confident stepping into tanking in WoW. I can do it in my sleep in FFXIV, I'm hoping the general experience helps me. haha
I've always felt like Prot Paladin was easier to learn than Prot Warrior. Warrior seems simpler on paper, but in execution, there is a lot of frantic button pushing 😁
I'd like to add something to Blood DK. You said "the more damage you took recently,...". Blizzard kind of nerfed Deathstrike, so it only takes one event in the last 5 seconds, which means the highest income in the last 5 seconds. It isnt like in the past where you would sometimes press DS 2 times in a row in some situations, because now the second Deathstrike only would do the minimum amount not the highest from all sources in the past 5 seconds. If you told that in the video, i maybe missed it, but thats something people need to get used to and have to take into account.
This video gave me courage to try tanking for the first time. Playing paladin. It's really fun and much easier than i thought it would be, i can interrupt so much and help group in many ways. Using only DBM and your nameplates. Thanks and goodbye long queues!
@@jurgenbuntinx1 Yeah I mean guardian druid is known as being the easy tank forever yet in the video it's not even closed to easiest on Quazii's ranking.
It doesnt matter which you pick. The one you enjoy, you will stick with and master it. So much of tanking is knowing what to pull and when, which in my opinion is the biggest mental strain that one has to learn to handle and not stress about.
The most important thing is how you feel about the class yourself. You may develop a natural feeling for not-so-easy class and perform worse on the easier one. Happens to me sometimes.
It’s very important for protection warriors to keep ignore pain up constantly. Not only for damage intake, but to ensure Battle-Scarred Veteran doesn’t proc until it’s needed. Revenge is only useful for spreading deep wounds & resetting Shield Slam.
I started tanking for the first time in season 4 DF. I chose Blood DK... My god I wish I had this video before I started tanking! XD I had such a hard time that I don't plan on tanking for a while, got my 2,500 achievement and all my portals though! :P
@@akxeros5895 Well even though I got 2,500 rating, I still feel like I am really bad at it. I had so many failed runs even at the end and throughout my whole experience I had so many people tell me that I was trash or just that they hated me, so now I just think the same. I did so much research but peoples reaction towards me didn't change. For you I would say start of as a DPS so you know the pug routes, players hat not knowing what you will pull even if it's the perfect amount of trash mobs you kill. also I'm sure it's better if you start of at the beginning when everyone sucks a little. And from there, just make sure your skin is as tough as the tank you are playing! :D Good luck and have fun, if tanking for you is fun, then go for it!
@@d.j.9739 ty for your answer :) well I ignore other people that hate around. I just want to play in my less time that I have as a tank to find own m+ groups. Its hard to find as dps a group. Would you still pick DK as a tank if you could go back and change? or would you pick another tank?
@@akxeros5895 Not a problem. =) It's hard to say, I picked Blood DK for this seasons set look and to help a friend with his main which is a Blood DK. If neither of these are a factor and I'm set on playing a tank then I would go with what's easiest, Druid. But now Blood DK is the easiest for me because that is the only tank I played, so going forward if I had to play a tank I would pick that.
I started WoW as a brand new player (S3 DF, April) with a blood DK. I did slow progression by only questing (took a couple of weeks) because I knew WoW had a crazy learning curve. I have now cleared 2/3 awakened raids on Heroic and a few early bosses on Mythic. While I would like extra mobility, it's been incredibly rewarding and I'm looking forward to my first expansion. Shoutout to your Blood DK guide for helping me learn the rotation. I will disagree with 15:11, DK gets Purgatory, which is a second chance if you make a mistake and run through somewhere you shouldn't have (it has saved me from causing a wipe numerous times).
11:25 I decided to use my lvl 70 pre-order boost on a Monk for Brewmaster, specifically. And that button bloat is REAL. And it’s not even that it’s buttons where you’d be like “oh, hey this might come in handy” like Prot Pally. No, it’s all stuff that has great utility but there’s way too much of it. All good points you’re making, Mr Quazii!
The good thing for Monk is, that your standard attacks, your standard rotation, it doesn't really matter that much what skill you press or in what order. There's some synergy, but not it's not like a warrior where you use revenge just one time too much and suddenly you're rage starved and can't use shield block or ignore pain - or paladin, where you have clear "generators" and "spenders" even with a choice how to spend your holy power.
Great video. I’ve been maining BDK during DF and would like to learn a second tank. Now to decide between Warrior or Paladin. Looking forward to the detailed guides
Playing DH, BDK, bear and prot pala I must say the pala is king of PUGs. But DH is still king when it comes to big pulls, not just getting them all in control but also surviving. (having all dungeons on +10 in time, tyrannical and fortified).
As long as there is an enemy, as a DH, you will most probably survive, and this will be easier than as a BDK because you might spare some soul fragments you can pick up later.
@@Aikicyoaz Depends on what you play currently as a tank or maybe as a melee dps class. So, if you play a tank such as a DBK or a melee to plan your resources carefully, playing a DH tank should be too difficult for you. But I played Prot Pala for years before, and it took me a while to get used to the DH tank. So, switching might be a good idea if you are already familiar with the content and can concentrate more on the rotation. Also, choose a more defensive skill at the beginning, especially the cheat death option, because, as a DH, you can easily be killed if making an error, especially at the beginning of a pull. This one is very tanky BUkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkEhEhkQSCJkolEJRLJEJIi0SSaSikQCAAAAIJBA
I really love your videos the format and the deatil, this expansion I really wanted to try out DPS for first time to shed the responsibility of having to download MDT profiles and learn the routes and pack counts.. Would you ever consider creating simmilar tierlist for DPS too? I know you mainly tank but I literally can't find DPS content creator that does it as good as you.
I may be wrong but AFAIK Shield of the Righteous is off GCD for prot as well but not for heal. Had some issues with macros with my pally so im at least pretty sure it was like that at a certain point of time...
only thing keeping me from playing guard druid is that it gets really boring to look at a bear that never really change 24/7. especially as a new player with no different skins
I'm likely to have tank off spec this time around, just because pugging as dps can get painful towards the end of each season when numbers start dropping, especially if the dps spec being mained doesn't end up being meta etc. That said, as I'm planning on maining Unholy DK, casually dropping into Blood Tanking towards the end of the expansion could be tricky. Especially as by that point, I'll likely have decent gear etc, but lack the tanking experience to jump straight into tanking the same key levels I have been dpsing - which in turn also skews learning, as naturally one decides to start tanking in lower keys to give a bit more leeway, but then you're just carried by your gear and don't always get a grasp of what is or isn't dangerous lol
i was surprised when you said blood dk was on the harder side. to be fair, idk much about mythic+. blood dk was always so strong because death strike not only heals you but thanks to mastery, death strike also gives a shield based on the restored health. i don't even really track anything, i just know what ability gives me the required rune power to keep hitting death strike. it's more like i faceroll on the keyboard than actually managing my resources. well, thanks to raegwyns old videos i even started to play blood in the first place and so i have way more experience on staying alive solo than actually tanking multiple enemies for my group, so...
well I just started leveling my occasional alt DK tank from 70 to 80 and imported some tank spec for dungeons and while I was reading through the guide, talents and abilities I was like WTF? it looks hard as f*** so I googled this video and now I switched to warrior, goodbye DK
Only thing you're missing in your prot paladin section - it is beginner friendly for surviving, but it is very not beginner friendly when playing it to it's max as it is a very group versatility tank. Good tank to learn how to be more aware of what's happening outside of just your character, plus it's fun saving people with your off heals or your blessings, a big lay on hands which can be used as a defensive cd or party cd. Edit: love your summary section touching on this
@@rudy1999 that’s fair, it’s terribly inefficient but I’ve seen tanks macro shield block and ignore pain into everything and do fine early. It just doesn’t teach you if youre planning to dance
Just out of curiosity though I Have both a prot war and prot pally. Used both in dragonflight all 4 seasons. Which do you feel is going to be better to play in TWW mainly in the sense that I won’t be getting angry/raging to quit everyone keys fail to dying so much due to the massive tank nerfs all tanks received and the reliability on a good healer to heal correctly. Also since the messed up/wonky paladin hero talent specs. Please some solid direct advice on which would be better to main as in the new expansion would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work and great content.
Prot warrior while they'll be more reliant on healers to keep them alive since they have no self heals they're incredibly tanky and got a pretty big damage buff like 30% only downside is they don't have good magic mitigation only spell reflect and spell block so...
I've mained Gaurdian Druid since BFA. Its my favorite tank. I love my werebear forms. Got all of them except the one from the World Boss in Dragonflight. I totally skipped the expansion. I might comeback for War within
so guys I need your help. I did not played since begin DF and never tanked before.. I want to give it a try now. I struggle between BDK and Bear and almost every video saying diffrent things about what is easier or better for a beginner. I just want to play "for fun" no hard pushing. I know most people would say play what you like but that is not what my brain wants to hear.. :D
@@jeankirchstein2552 Thats true for literally every single tank in the game right now. Actually guardian is one of the more complex specs in that regard, since you have offensive fury spenders for ST and AOE in the form of maul and raze, besides maintaining two dots and using mangle procs efficiently.
I play druid, a "friend" always looks down on me saying guardian is easy, but he cant do a higher lvl cause he gets one shot every time (with every tank), he was called origami bear (good name btw). So, master tanking, like u said is completly different then easy to learn - and i normally can do same content with all tanks..
Your 'friend' is a very silly boy. From tanking 7 bogstrok with no ability that could hit more than 3 foes to learning cat dps burst for heroic spine tendrils there's plenty of difficulty for guardians. Bears are cute and fuzzy, and that's why other tanks get jealous of them.
Number one most important skill in tanking is situational awareness. What everyone in your group is doing, where they are, where the mobs are, what is aggro'd, to who, and also why.
I’m playing a Prot Warrior but I’m trying to figure out what to change to next season Spent all of Dragonflight being from groups because of my class ):
Great video! I wouldn't change order but personally the gap between prot pally and prot war is much bigger, pwar is really dumb easy to play and prot pally is decently hard with the plentiful of blessings and wog/sotr economy with consec management. But that also just could be me playing ppal for way too long and pwar feeling dumb af in comparison. Especially when TWW launches and people get to max level the difference will be a bit bigger too as pwar is staying at same level of dumb(you just spam thunder clap a bit more) while ppal is getting new ally buff or another layer of Can i spend holy power on this(hammer of light) instead of sotr. But 100% bdk/vdh are easiest to screw up a pull and die on.
i always disagree with Prot Pally not that easy becaus alot of beginners cant figure out the 2 "rules" in the first place and ontop of that many dont understand Prot pally feels like tanking with a dps the moment any of the big CDs fall off. BloodDK on the otherhand was BEFORE the Death strike change DUMB easy to play.
As a veteran tank I mostly agree. And if some one ask me what they shuld pic for there 1st tank I will actoaly gona recommend blood dk. True is not the esyest however it teaches you importance of cooldowns. I don't agree that they are hard because of having 2 resources but because is very important to have good CD management. As for worst beginner tank I will suggest brew masters. They are teaching new players aloot of bad habits and if you are looking to reroll to another tank you will have bad time
Honestly, just go for it. Switch over to tank spec and just start playing everything in tank spec. You'll get the feel for everything then just jump into dungeons. Try the cookie cutter tank builds, see what you like and don't like and go from there. The agro circle on the DH is huge and spirit bomb is just incredible. 4 shards and bomb, blag the rest until you figure it out. It's pretty simple and your able to survive some crazy stuff. It's just so much fun and you have so much mobility and range, it just makes tanking easy.
Dear hivemind, I wanna give prot warrior another chance. I was a top 1% M+ tank in season 1 and 2 in Dragonflight and I tried all the tanks (not getting 1% with every tank ofc), but warrior never really clicked for me. Especially in tyrannical weeks on hard hitting bosses I felt VERY helpless. I was rage starved from only attack one mob (the boss) and having to spam ignore pain while keeping shield block up. Every 7 seconds a shield slam and every 5 seconds a thunder clap doesn't really generate much rage. Is feeling helpless just part of the prot warriors life at some point? Should I embrace it and blame the healer? Or can I magically pull more rage out of my ass?
If this was a hardest to master ranking I'd absolutely agree with it. Okay lets say agree for the most part, ppal really doesnt have a lot of skill ceiling going on unlike pwar and guardian. However, with the purpose in mind of getting a fresh tank starter to cap his vault with as little learning as possible, both BDK and VDH are literally the top choices. Why? As long as you follow one simple rule - dont get in naked and rp/fury starved looking for back scratches - youre literally unkillable, 100% self-sustaining and can play recklessly offensive in a +10 since zero cooldown and resource management is involved. VDH complexity ramps up drastically as soon as the key level and your comp require you to use your gigantic CC portfolio, while with BDK things get spicy as soon as physicals can global you through your mitigation baseline. Both is not gonna happen in a +10, even if youre severly undergeared.
@@KungKokkos that used to be the Case until the end of DF season 3. Ever since season 4 its +10, due to the new scaling making keys roughly 10 levels harder than before.
@@polkhigh_33 Oh, I see. Well, either way, it's TWW now, and it doesnt look like tanks will just swoop in and tank half the dungeon while selfsustaining anymore
Warriors are just plain boring to play, will always be the best beginner tank to learn. I wish there was more to it than there is, I always drop mine half way through an expansion cuz it’s just not interesting. Atleast prot paladins u can goof around and be a semi healer lol.. and higher levels they get Hard to master.
@Quazii WoW thanks for your videos....but can u check your > This #1 WoW Macro is a PVE GAME CHANGER < video ? the macro doesnt work anymore since the prepatch :(
Just use an addon like bartender or elvui to set keybinds and then hover over the ability and do mousewheel up and the other ability mousewheel down. Your can bind your camera zoom to something else in the game keybind settings. For me its shift mouse up and down for camera zoom.
@@xxOutkastedxx Exactly this. Healers are sooo butthurt about their healing done all the time. The best healers only heals as much as the group requires and aside from that, help with beating the timer by prioritizing dps and cc.
Mastering brew and bdk are probably the hardest but respectfully disagree about BDK being hardest to pick up for beginners. Unless we have a different definition of a beginner tank, I think bdk has been the second easiest tank to play for a long time unless you're pushing high. Having pugged probably 2k+ keys during DF the tanks that fail the most in low keys have been whatever the meta tank is and prot warrior.
Never really understood bdk being hard. I always find it super braindead. Maintain boneshield and deathstrike when you take damage very rarely pay attention to runic power. I guess playing other tanks and knowing when damage is coming so you know preemtively that you will need to deathstrike/cd helps.
I have played all tanks at top 1% and i'm surprised prot pala is not one of the hardest to play. If you don't play around consecration, you are dead. If you fuck up you cd's (one of your 6-7 defensives), you are dead. If you heal too much, you run oom and die. If you do not keep your armor stacks up, you die. If you spend your holy power at the wrong time, you die. I guess prot paladin is easy to get started with, but is considerably harder to play effeciently at higher key levels. VDH is so much easier to play. You can even spec into a decent build where you can have your spikes up permanently. Just use it whenever it's ready and you can literally walk through the dungeon without pressing anything else.
I agree. Though I guess most dont push high levels enough for it to be as punishing. Same as brew imo, easier to get into for tww, but higher skillcap.
@@MC-wd5ko played all tanks at around 3500io last 3 seasons , and i find prot paladin one of the easiest , outside vdh that is just too op , brew is hardest by a big margin atleast for me
Man says right at the start "This is not for top% players, just for new tanks looking to cap vault at highest ilvl", so way more room for those mistakes you outlined in Prot Pala.
@@rhyshodgetts9681 true, but I think that can be said about most of the tanks. No tank is really hard to play if you just walk trough content that doesn't requires you to play the class. I'm not even talking about top% players, SotR, conc and cycling cd's properly is a pretty important part about palas, that you need to learn pretty early on. imho. That doesn't mean you can't get boosted.
@@shockshow9823 I guess it depends on season you played, but last season prot pala would just get oneshot in so many keys. There were so many mechanics, where you needed to have SotR up, stand in conc and some times even double stack defensives. As VDH, you just fel dev and laugh.
There has never been a single moment in my time tanking where I felt like "I'm so skilled for pushing Demon Spikes when I did." Juggling defensive CDs feels like ass, and all it does is lower the skill floor for tanking. I think they need to take all the maintenance tank buffs like Shield Block/IP/SOTR/Consc/Bone Shield/Demon Spikes/Immolation Aura/Ironfur and make all those defensive buffs have 100% uptime and passive then rework those abilities to only boost their damage. The skill floor for a tank should never be that they die too fast, that's just stupid and undermines the entire fantasy of being a tank. Whoever thought of the whole active mitigation system pretty much ruined the game imo. The skill ceiling should be dungeon knowledge/using your spec utility to it's fullest/doing good damage/supporting your group in some way. They basically made a system that is cool for the like top 1% of tanks, so they can experience joy. Most of the bad tanks I know who enjoy tanking, are cancer to keep alive and it's basically just punishment for everyone else in the party. It's stupid.
I think it's a bit misleading to rank tanks from easy to hard, because the difficulty is different for "learning" to play or "mastering" to play. The DK for example is probably the easiest tank to learn with how much self-sustain he has. Very forgiving overall, even if you don't have your mitigation or def CDs up, you can just heal yourself. Playing DK in high keys on the other hand is a constant reaction time check with how bouncy your HP bar is. Being one if not the least tanky tank also doesn't help in every other regard in high keys. Monk on the other hand is hard to learn, but once you understand stagger (and get a WA) it's fairly easy to play in my opinion. He has enough def CDs to make your life easier and it's not THAT important which attack you press as long as you press something. Paladin is also easy to learn. Maybe not as easy as DK, but it's straight forward and you have good selfheal. Mastering on the other hand can be tricky. Chosing between a (self)heal and your mitigation always feels bad. Having to stand in you consecration also feels bad. Keeping an eye on your team to support them with blessings and heals while trying to survive a high key, feels like playing a healer on hard mode.
Heh. I can’t even pick dps as a new player. Almost all feels clunky in rotation or slow. Can’t figure it out as a new player. Had the most blast with prot warrior but obviously there’s no sense going tank as a noob.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 Honestly, yes. And thats only true for pushing beyond 15. In the 10-15 range going higher than 2-3 stacks - maybe 4 for rare giga pulls outside of major cds - is already a huge waste most of the time since you can easily outheal the incoming damage while blasting with razes and mauls to manage threat and speed up the key. If Raze is not your #1 damage ability by a fair distance, youre very likely playing too defensively for no reason.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 1) The low key card? Nice try, I'm on page 1 of the top io guardians. You? 2) What Quazii and apparently you as well dont know is: The stacks and therefore armor gains through iron fur are not capped. However, your maximum physical DR is, at 85%. Considering youre endgame geared for the season, you'll reach the 85% cap against a 3 level higher elite boss at 5 or 6 stacks. If you dont believe me, feel free to take that topic to Dreamgrove, all the theorycrafters and highio players will confirm this. 3) The damage gain through thorns of iron is evenly distributed and square root scales beyond the 4th stack, so dont even try, it doesnt justify overstacking as well. 4) The art of tanking is and has always been to find the sweet spot in mitigation, selfsustain and throughput. Its funny that you mention 'keep playing like you only do low keys'. Because the higher you go, the more offensive you literally have to play. For one, because the timer forces you, any additional dps matters. And two, the higher you go, the better performing your dps mates will be, forcing you to keep up with the threat. Which is especially true for prepatch with classes like Frost DKs and Furywarriors easily ripping threat worth of 1million+ tank dps. I'm a regular high tier booster at Nova, and if I see you mindlessly stacking furs while my dps toon is getting pummeled from AA leashers, youre gonna 100% get the smoke for tank malperformance.
Blizz have made zero effort to hide the fact that they will ALWAYS allow Druid tanks to basically be "top dog" of the tanks....to the detriment of all others. That's why I main prot pally/venge DH. Just to spite them. Plus, I love playing the classes anyway.
I find VDH and Brew WAY harder than Blood DK personally. Blood dk just plant D&D, spam blood boil on CD, switch between death strike and vampiric strike, use vampiric blood if you’re in trouble. Keep blood shield stacks up with other abilities Spam all other CDs like Abom limb, dancing rune weapon, etc when they come up at the start of a pull VDH requires kiting, stops, sigils Brew has so many buttons I get overwhelmed and always feel like I’m dying
i like that while explaining how to play bdk, you explain 6 different things that require timing and good understanding of the spec as well as the pulls you do, and say they are easy :P this video is for beginner tanks, not players who have played blood dk for the past 12 years and want to try something new, blood dk is absolutely the hardest tank, no doubt about it.
It's a really big difference on how is BDK in M+ based on difficulty. I'd say that tanking in low keys (maybe until 12-13 or so) it's one of the easiest and chill tanks to play. You don't care about healer you can do everything yourself. But when going to push more on high keys it tends to be a lot more difficult: resource management, 1 shots and proper cd manangement is crucial to stay alive, especially when you don't want to kite ever 2 mobs around cause you insta die. At least from my experience on higher keys you either get a really good BDK or a really bad one, didn't really find something between :)
Which is a terrible waste of fury and therefore dps/threat. If youre looking at your damage at the end of a run and raze is not your undisputed #1 damage source, youre doing it wrong.
when you start explaining about VDH - love how the ret asks you not to move the warscourge, like what does he want you to do? Stay in the spinny swirlie and take damage 🤣
The paladin is mostly correct. As a tank, you don't need to move the Warscourge at all. You can tank it on the edge and take 0 damage. Tank doesn't move, the Warscourge doesn't move.
#What the other people said. Yes, you DO take that swirlie as a good tank. In general your job as a tank is this: #1 keep threat. #2 keep the pull stacked. #3 stay alive. And yes, its in that order. Keeping threat and a stacked pull with as little movement as possible will drastically increase the kill speed, allowing you and your whole team to use your defensives and heals more aggressively, which ultimately results in staying alive while still beating the shit out of the timer.
I am convinced the nerfs are highly exaggerated, they did the exact same thing back at the start of dragonflight and keep in mind, on beta (the only place where you can test this) your gear is scaled to an ilvl that an average person would never do +20's with. its like doing a +20 on retail right now with ilvl 505 instead of bis geared, of course you're gonna take more damage. stop stressing, it's gonna be fine. :D
Was not that big of a deal, don't just watch streamers actually go play beta if you can. I will still be tanking same as every expac, but for all those who want to believe its all over be my guest. I will enjoy getting into keys instantly as whatever tank i choose even if its not meta due to lack of tanks.
@@richardwallace8382 I would disagree with you even for an M0 or +2. A newbie tank should first learn normal/hc dungeons but as per last seasons, most of them are jumping from start in mythic dungeons. A lot of bricked keys and rage quit moments incoming with the tank nerfs. In season 3/season 4 of DF even at lower keys if we got an wipe, usually the pug party was disbanded. I don't want to imagine what will happen now with the tank nerfs. Imagine the first wipe on a pack of trash and everyone starts to leave. It will be very very hard to find a good party. MOSTLY because with the tank nerfs, who will be the one to suffer the most? THE HEALER, EXACTLY!! So boys, prepare your time, dungeons are hard in TWW expect a lot of wipes and disbanded parties.
Wow is very very easy. It’s not as complicated as this video makes it. I tank M+10s or old 20s without even using any CDs. Just take a pack or 2 at once and you can still time it. No need to do crazy pulls like MDI. With that said, my Monk is the worst tank. Healers always complain about him. Braindead tanks are warriors, paladins, and bear. I watch Netflix when I tank on those 3. DK is easy too but I have to watch my screen and pay attention.
the "easiest" tank will always be whatever is the strongest in the meta. Not what has the least buttons to press, the easiest rotation etc. 99.9% of WoW players aren't new and have a grasp of how roughly each class is played, so to list "easy" classes like blood dk or warrior tank is wrong if they arent at the top of tanks. - Dragonflight is a perfect example, right now Vengeance Demon hunter is by far the easiest tank to play while having one of the more complicated playstyles for tanks, simply because of the raw utility cc & tankiness that is available to them.
Druid. Swipe swipe growl. keep up fur. Simple but boring. Not a great choice but ok. Their over simplicity is their weakness. Good off tank, great class.
Tell me you dont know guardian without saying it. Swipe is a bad button to press 99% of the time, since it does less damage than an autoattack, therefore generates zero threat and also zero fury. If your tank presses swipe more than 10 times throughout a key thats a red flag. And on a side note: Mangle, Thrash, Maul/Raze might sound bland yeah. But what about frac,frac, spb? Or shieldslam, clap, revenge?
If you started want to learn healing in WoW try Yumytv. He got all the healing class covered. Even some of the videos are kinda old but the basic rotation and the class mechanic are still the same. I got into healing after watching his resto druid vid and now I'm a healer main lol.
Actually, you can pick up something from understanding how each tanks works. knowing when to help them with mitigation and spot heal and when to just ignore tanks and focus on others or help do damage instead.
Don't forget prot pally has a lot of interrupts via avenger's shield and you can help your healer out with some big protection/healing CDs. Massive utility that's very pug friendly.
The pug value for prot pally should not be overlooked. The interrupts will be huge with the new stop behavior as well.
As a healer I would much rather have a protnoally I need to heal but who is mitigating huge party damage with interrupts than the other way around.
The other utility is big too (blessings, etc.
This coming from someone who is in the 12-14 3k range. Higher keys are different of course
Prot warrior may be easy to play, but it is not for the weak of wrist. The APM on those 3-4 buttons can make you sore. Lol
One of my main easy button sinks is scroll wheel up and down, and alt, cntrl, shift modifiers
Also, it can be a tank that gets punished hard. Don't have 100% shield block because you didn't play well/pick talents properly? You're getting wrecked. Face your back to mobs? You're getting wrecked than any other tank taking hits from behind.
Oh yea. Thunderclap is a cooldown. Shieldslam is a cooldown. Revenge shares resource with IP and IP is best bound on mousewheel. Fuck thats not even worth a footnote in comparison to guardian druid's apm blasting. Youre gonna annihilate your raze keybind.
Thank you for this video🎉🎉. I started tanking Prot pally in dragon-flight. Your videos have helped immensely
Being a player who both plays FFXIV and WoW on and off, I really appreciate your videos. Been leveling a protection warrior and just hit level cap last night, so I'm looking to gear up and try some content and this helps me feel a bit more confident stepping into tanking in WoW. I can do it in my sleep in FFXIV, I'm hoping the general experience helps me. haha
I've always felt like Prot Paladin was easier to learn than Prot Warrior. Warrior seems simpler on paper, but in execution, there is a lot of frantic button pushing 😁
I'd like to add something to Blood DK. You said "the more damage you took recently,...". Blizzard kind of nerfed Deathstrike, so it only takes one event in the last 5 seconds, which means the highest income in the last 5 seconds. It isnt like in the past where you would sometimes press DS 2 times in a row in some situations, because now the second Deathstrike only would do the minimum amount not the highest from all sources in the past 5 seconds.
If you told that in the video, i maybe missed it, but thats something people need to get used to and have to take into account.
BDK was the most rewarding tank
Was
@@sythex92 Still is
This video gave me courage to try tanking for the first time. Playing paladin. It's really fun and much easier than i thought it would be, i can interrupt so much and help group in many ways. Using only DBM and your nameplates. Thanks and goodbye long queues!
This is the most detailed video I've seen on this topic.
It'd be interesting to get a list on most fun/Rewarding
And I'm planning to go tank main for the first time this expansion, and I'm picking Brew lol. Haven't started the video yet.
Dont listen to these youtube videos claiming a class is easy... prev time they said paladins are hard and paladins were doing 1 tank 4 dps....
brew is great, but expect to be more reliant on the healer than other tanks, should be fine though, have fun!
@@jurgenbuntinx1 Yeah I mean guardian druid is known as being the easy tank forever yet in the video it's not even closed to easiest on Quazii's ranking.
It doesnt matter which you pick. The one you enjoy, you will stick with and master it. So much of tanking is knowing what to pull and when, which in my opinion is the biggest mental strain that one has to learn to handle and not stress about.
The most important thing is how you feel about the class yourself. You may develop a natural feeling for not-so-easy class and perform worse on the easier one. Happens to me sometimes.
It’s very important for protection warriors to keep ignore pain up constantly. Not only for damage intake, but to ensure Battle-Scarred Veteran doesn’t proc until it’s needed. Revenge is only useful for spreading deep wounds & resetting Shield Slam.
I started tanking for the first time in season 4 DF.
I chose Blood DK...
My god I wish I had this video before I started tanking! XD
I had such a hard time that I don't plan on tanking for a while, got my 2,500 achievement and all my portals though! :P
was it really so hard? i struggle between bear and bdk :D because i want to comeback with tww and start tanking for the first time
@@akxeros5895 Well even though I got 2,500 rating, I still feel like I am really bad at it. I had so many failed runs even at the end and throughout my whole experience I had so many people tell me that I was trash or just that they hated me, so now I just think the same. I did so much research but peoples reaction towards me didn't change. For you I would say start of as a DPS so you know the pug routes, players hat not knowing what you will pull even if it's the perfect amount of trash mobs you kill. also I'm sure it's better if you start of at the beginning when everyone sucks a little. And from there, just make sure your skin is as tough as the tank you are playing! :D
Good luck and have fun, if tanking for you is fun, then go for it!
@@d.j.9739 ty for your answer :) well I ignore other people that hate around. I just want to play in my less time that I have as a tank to find own m+ groups. Its hard to find as dps a group. Would you still pick DK as a tank if you could go back and change? or would you pick another tank?
@@akxeros5895 Not a problem. =)
It's hard to say, I picked Blood DK for this seasons set look and to help a friend with his main which is a Blood DK. If neither of these are a factor and I'm set on playing a tank then I would go with what's easiest, Druid. But now Blood DK is the easiest for me because that is the only tank I played, so going forward if I had to play a tank I would pick that.
Guardian Druid is where it’s at. Let me be a giant dinosaur tank (zandalari troll) and ravage my enemies. It’s gonna be SO GOOD.
I started WoW as a brand new player (S3 DF, April) with a blood DK. I did slow progression by only questing (took a couple of weeks) because I knew WoW had a crazy learning curve. I have now cleared 2/3 awakened raids on Heroic and a few early bosses on Mythic. While I would like extra mobility, it's been incredibly rewarding and I'm looking forward to my first expansion. Shoutout to your Blood DK guide for helping me learn the rotation.
I will disagree with 15:11, DK gets Purgatory, which is a second chance if you make a mistake and run through somewhere you shouldn't have (it has saved me from causing a wipe numerous times).
11:25 I decided to use my lvl 70 pre-order boost on a Monk for Brewmaster, specifically. And that button bloat is REAL. And it’s not even that it’s buttons where you’d be like “oh, hey this might come in handy” like Prot Pally. No, it’s all stuff that has great utility but there’s way too much of it. All good points you’re making, Mr Quazii!
The good thing for Monk is, that your standard attacks, your standard rotation, it doesn't really matter that much what skill you press or in what order. There's some synergy, but not it's not like a warrior where you use revenge just one time too much and suddenly you're rage starved and can't use shield block or ignore pain - or paladin, where you have clear "generators" and "spenders" even with a choice how to spend your holy power.
I like it one of the cons of bear tanking mentioned is transmog. As i always say to my party a good transmog translate to output. 🤣
100% Transmog = +20% DPS
Great video. I’ve been maining BDK during DF and would like to learn a second tank. Now to decide between Warrior or Paladin. Looking forward to the detailed guides
Pali is great fun and simple. Easiest tank ever. You feel kinda understandable 😊
Thank you for guides. Its really helpful for beginners to start and wanting to become a mythic tank one day.
Playing DH, BDK, bear and prot pala I must say the pala is king of PUGs. But DH is still king when it comes to big pulls, not just getting them all in control but also surviving. (having all dungeons on +10 in time, tyrannical and fortified).
As long as there is an enemy, as a DH, you will most probably survive, and this will be easier than as a BDK because you might spare some soul fragments you can pick up later.
@@Jo-Jo8vshmmm I never really played dh tank... is it a weird spec to play?
@@Aikicyoaz Depends on what you play currently as a tank or maybe as a melee dps class. So, if you play a tank such as a DBK or a melee to plan your resources carefully, playing a DH tank should be too difficult for you. But I played Prot Pala for years before, and it took me a while to get used to the DH tank. So, switching might be a good idea if you are already familiar with the content and can concentrate more on the rotation. Also, choose a more defensive skill at the beginning, especially the cheat death option, because, as a DH, you can easily be killed if making an error, especially at the beginning of a pull.
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@@Jo-Jo8vs ohhh I see. I play prot paly when I tank. Seems like less wiggle room for errors than other tanks?
Quazii, seeing fodder to the flame spawn for the DH during your prot paladin footage was traumatic. Haha.
I don't usually comment but the shield block and ignore pain keybind is the same for me since MoP :D
Thanks for this helpful video..I have all of these Tanks and u nailed it. The Guardian and pally are my favorites..
Always love your videos. Thank you for always posting content that keeps me up to date with wow. (Also makes me better)
Great content! Thnx for all the info
say it... say it... ahh yesss guardian druid is the best
I really love your videos the format and the deatil, this expansion I really wanted to try out DPS for first time to shed the responsibility of having to download MDT profiles and learn the routes and pack counts.. Would you ever consider creating simmilar tierlist for DPS too? I know you mainly tank but I literally can't find DPS content creator that does it as good as you.
I may be wrong but AFAIK Shield of the Righteous is off GCD for prot as well but not for heal. Had some issues with macros with my pally so im at least pretty sure it was like that at a certain point of time...
only thing keeping me from playing guard druid is that it gets really boring to look at a bear that never really change 24/7. especially as a new player with no different skins
I'm likely to have tank off spec this time around, just because pugging as dps can get painful towards the end of each season when numbers start dropping, especially if the dps spec being mained doesn't end up being meta etc.
That said, as I'm planning on maining Unholy DK, casually dropping into Blood Tanking towards the end of the expansion could be tricky. Especially as by that point, I'll likely have decent gear etc, but lack the tanking experience to jump straight into tanking the same key levels I have been dpsing - which in turn also skews learning, as naturally one decides to start tanking in lower keys to give a bit more leeway, but then you're just carried by your gear and don't always get a grasp of what is or isn't dangerous lol
I only ever had success on Brewmaster. You don't need to know anything. Defensive is always up.
i was surprised when you said blood dk was on the harder side.
to be fair, idk much about mythic+.
blood dk was always so strong because death strike not only heals you but thanks to mastery, death strike also gives a shield based on the restored health.
i don't even really track anything, i just know what ability gives me the required rune power to keep hitting death strike. it's more like i faceroll on the keyboard than actually managing my resources.
well, thanks to raegwyns old videos i even started to play blood in the first place and so i have way more experience on staying alive solo than actually tanking multiple enemies for my group, so...
nice guide!
Lmao my lil brother is in the group.
edit: lmao this is my gm and guildie group LOL
Thanks Quazii. Love your vidz!
well I just started leveling my occasional alt DK tank from 70 to 80 and imported some tank spec for dungeons and while I was reading through the guide, talents and abilities I was like WTF? it looks hard as f*** so I googled this video and now I switched to warrior, goodbye DK
Only thing you're missing in your prot paladin section - it is beginner friendly for surviving, but it is very not beginner friendly when playing it to it's max as it is a very group versatility tank.
Good tank to learn how to be more aware of what's happening outside of just your character, plus it's fun saving people with your off heals or your blessings, a big lay on hands which can be used as a defensive cd or party cd.
Edit: love your summary section touching on this
what is the add-on that makes your curser glow and have a trail? I really need that!
Very helpful
Thanks
Great video, my only personal disagreement is port warrior, knowing the specifics ignore pain vs revenge can be tough
nah, neither of those abilities are that impactful for a beginner, ignore pain is the worst selfheal from all tanks anyway
@@rudy1999 that’s fair, it’s terribly inefficient but I’ve seen tanks macro shield block and ignore pain into everything and do fine early. It just doesn’t teach you if youre planning to dance
Just out of curiosity though I Have both a prot war and prot pally. Used both in dragonflight all 4 seasons. Which do you feel is going to be better to play in TWW mainly in the sense that I won’t be getting angry/raging to quit everyone keys fail to dying so much due to the massive tank nerfs all tanks received and the reliability on a good healer to heal correctly. Also since the messed up/wonky paladin hero talent specs. Please some solid direct advice on which would be better to main as in the new expansion would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work and great content.
Prot warrior while they'll be more reliant on healers to keep them alive since they have no self heals they're incredibly tanky and got a pretty big damage buff like 30% only downside is they don't have good magic mitigation only spell reflect and spell block so...
I've mained Gaurdian Druid since BFA. Its my favorite tank. I love my werebear forms. Got all of them except the one from the World Boss in Dragonflight. I totally skipped the expansion. I might comeback for War within
so guys I need your help. I did not played since begin DF and never tanked before.. I want to give it a try now. I struggle between BDK and Bear and almost every video saying diffrent things about what is easier or better for a beginner. I just want to play "for fun" no hard pushing. I know most people would say play what you like but that is not what my brain wants to hear.. :D
Bear tank you press like 4 buttons in your rotation and have a couple of CDs to keep up doesn't get any easier than bear
@@jeankirchstein2552 okay the only fact for the bear what I do not like is the less transmog options :D
@@jeankirchstein2552 Thats true for literally every single tank in the game right now. Actually guardian is one of the more complex specs in that regard, since you have offensive fury spenders for ST and AOE in the form of maul and raze, besides maintaining two dots and using mangle procs efficiently.
Ive mained guardian druid since Legion and ill be back for TWW
I play druid, a "friend" always looks down on me saying guardian is easy, but he cant do a higher lvl cause he gets one shot every time (with every tank), he was called origami bear (good name btw). So, master tanking, like u said is completly different then easy to learn - and i normally can do same content with all tanks..
Your 'friend' is a very silly boy.
From tanking 7 bogstrok with no ability that could hit more than 3 foes to learning cat dps burst for heroic spine tendrils there's plenty of difficulty for guardians. Bears are cute and fuzzy, and that's why other tanks get jealous of them.
Tanks a lot.
great video! thank you
Number one most important skill in tanking is situational awareness. What everyone in your group is doing, where they are, where the mobs are, what is aggro'd, to who, and also why.
Also knowing the route, knowing what to pull and when to pull (some groups can survive bigger pulls, important for timing high keys)
I’m playing a Prot Warrior but I’m trying to figure out what to change to next season
Spent all of Dragonflight being from groups because of my class ):
I'm normally prot warrior. I'm planning on brew and bear for the xpac
Great video! I wouldn't change order but personally the gap between prot pally and prot war is much bigger, pwar is really dumb easy to play and prot pally is decently hard with the plentiful of blessings and wog/sotr economy with consec management. But that also just could be me playing ppal for way too long and pwar feeling dumb af in comparison. Especially when TWW launches and people get to max level the difference will be a bit bigger too as pwar is staying at same level of dumb(you just spam thunder clap a bit more) while ppal is getting new ally buff or another layer of Can i spend holy power on this(hammer of light) instead of sotr. But 100% bdk/vdh are easiest to screw up a pull and die on.
i always disagree with Prot Pally not that easy becaus alot of beginners cant figure out the 2 "rules" in the first place and ontop of that many dont understand Prot pally feels like tanking with a dps the moment any of the big CDs fall off. BloodDK on the otherhand was BEFORE the Death strike change DUMB easy to play.
As a veteran tank I mostly agree. And if some one ask me what they shuld pic for there 1st tank I will actoaly gona recommend blood dk. True is not the esyest however it teaches you importance of cooldowns. I don't agree that they are hard because of having 2 resources but because is very important to have good CD management. As for worst beginner tank I will suggest brew masters. They are teaching new players aloot of bad habits and if you are looking to reroll to another tank you will have bad time
Great video 🎉
It's too bad about BDK. It's just not worth the stress. I found BM and Guardian equally easy. I love the BM rework.
Those tank nerfs hit hardz hope those pug healers are ready, also might be a slight decline in tanks.
nobody wanted to play tank and healer before
Now people will be even more hesitant to pick up those roles.
It's definately going to hurt the game overall. I also expect S1 in TWW is going to be much harder than it should be to add insult to injury.
Oh this guy is a druid main
Demon hunter is simple. Crazy good fun. Prepare to laugh a lot
Teach me. I want to learn
Honestly, just go for it. Switch over to tank spec and just start playing everything in tank spec. You'll get the feel for everything then just jump into dungeons. Try the cookie cutter tank builds, see what you like and don't like and go from there. The agro circle on the DH is huge and spirit bomb is just incredible. 4 shards and bomb, blag the rest until you figure it out. It's pretty simple and your able to survive some crazy stuff. It's just so much fun and you have so much mobility and range, it just makes tanking easy.
@@lexzbuddy sweet!
Dear hivemind,
I wanna give prot warrior another chance. I was a top 1% M+ tank in season 1 and 2 in Dragonflight and I tried all the tanks (not getting 1% with every tank ofc), but warrior never really clicked for me. Especially in tyrannical weeks on hard hitting bosses I felt VERY helpless. I was rage starved from only attack one mob (the boss) and having to spam ignore pain while keeping shield block up. Every 7 seconds a shield slam and every 5 seconds a thunder clap doesn't really generate much rage.
Is feeling helpless just part of the prot warriors life at some point? Should I embrace it and blame the healer? Or can I magically pull more rage out of my ass?
It's BDK time, brother. You know what it means, we going harrrrrd!
If this was a hardest to master ranking I'd absolutely agree with it. Okay lets say agree for the most part, ppal really doesnt have a lot of skill ceiling going on unlike pwar and guardian. However, with the purpose in mind of getting a fresh tank starter to cap his vault with as little learning as possible, both BDK and VDH are literally the top choices. Why? As long as you follow one simple rule - dont get in naked and rp/fury starved looking for back scratches - youre literally unkillable, 100% self-sustaining and can play recklessly offensive in a +10 since zero cooldown and resource management is involved. VDH complexity ramps up drastically as soon as the key level and your comp require you to use your gigantic CC portfolio, while with BDK things get spicy as soon as physicals can global you through your mitigation baseline. Both is not gonna happen in a +10, even if youre severly undergeared.
Cap vault.. that's +20 yeah?
@@KungKokkos that used to be the Case until the end of DF season 3. Ever since season 4 its +10, due to the new scaling making keys roughly 10 levels harder than before.
@@polkhigh_33 Oh, I see. Well, either way, it's TWW now, and it doesnt look like tanks will just swoop in and tank half the dungeon while selfsustaining anymore
Bear tank have issue vs magic DMG compared to easy prot war
Warriors are just plain boring to play, will always be the best beginner tank to learn. I wish there was more to it than there is, I always drop mine half way through an expansion cuz it’s just not interesting. Atleast prot paladins u can goof around and be a semi healer lol.. and higher levels they get Hard to master.
@Quazii WoW thanks for your videos....but can u check your > This #1 WoW Macro is a PVE GAME CHANGER < video ? the macro doesnt work anymore since the prepatch :(
How do you bind shield block and ignore pain to mousewheel, I can't seem to figure it out
Just use an addon like bartender or elvui to set keybinds and then hover over the ability and do mousewheel up and the other ability mousewheel down. Your can bind your camera zoom to something else in the game keybind settings. For me its shift mouse up and down for camera zoom.
quaz can u help me im using ur ui eluvi and my camera keep zooming fully in and i have to zoom out every time i log in or reload
As healer it's deflating that the tank out heals me. My objective every dungeon is to beat the tank in heals 😂
Shut your meters off and use them only in review. The goal is to defeat the content. Focus on that
@@xxOutkastedxx Exactly this. Healers are sooo butthurt about their healing done all the time. The best healers only heals as much as the group requires and aside from that, help with beating the timer by prioritizing dps and cc.
Mastering brew and bdk are probably the hardest but respectfully disagree about BDK being hardest to pick up for beginners. Unless we have a different definition of a beginner tank, I think bdk has been the second easiest tank to play for a long time unless you're pushing high. Having pugged probably 2k+ keys during DF the tanks that fail the most in low keys have been whatever the meta tank is and prot warrior.
Never really understood bdk being hard. I always find it super braindead. Maintain boneshield and deathstrike when you take damage very rarely pay attention to runic power. I guess playing other tanks and knowing when damage is coming so you know preemtively that you will need to deathstrike/cd helps.
I have played all tanks at top 1% and i'm surprised prot pala is not one of the hardest to play. If you don't play around consecration, you are dead. If you fuck up you cd's (one of your 6-7 defensives), you are dead. If you heal too much, you run oom and die. If you do not keep your armor stacks up, you die. If you spend your holy power at the wrong time, you die.
I guess prot paladin is easy to get started with, but is considerably harder to play effeciently at higher key levels. VDH is so much easier to play. You can even spec into a decent build where you can have your spikes up permanently. Just use it whenever it's ready and you can literally walk through the dungeon without pressing anything else.
I agree. Though I guess most dont push high levels enough for it to be as punishing.
Same as brew imo, easier to get into for tww, but higher skillcap.
@@MC-wd5ko played all tanks at around 3500io last 3 seasons , and i find prot paladin one of the easiest , outside vdh that is just too op , brew is hardest by a big margin atleast for me
Man says right at the start "This is not for top% players, just for new tanks looking to cap vault at highest ilvl", so way more room for those mistakes you outlined in Prot Pala.
@@rhyshodgetts9681 true, but I think that can be said about most of the tanks. No tank is really hard to play if you just walk trough content that doesn't requires you to play the class.
I'm not even talking about top% players, SotR, conc and cycling cd's properly is a pretty important part about palas, that you need to learn pretty early on. imho. That doesn't mean you can't get boosted.
@@shockshow9823 I guess it depends on season you played, but last season prot pala would just get oneshot in so many keys. There were so many mechanics, where you needed to have SotR up, stand in conc and some times even double stack defensives. As VDH, you just fel dev and laugh.
I would have called BDK the easiest tank to play... Especially at a lower key level which was the criteria for this video o_O
There has never been a single moment in my time tanking where I felt like "I'm so skilled for pushing Demon Spikes when I did." Juggling defensive CDs feels like ass, and all it does is lower the skill floor for tanking.
I think they need to take all the maintenance tank buffs like Shield Block/IP/SOTR/Consc/Bone Shield/Demon Spikes/Immolation Aura/Ironfur and make all those defensive buffs have 100% uptime and passive then rework those abilities to only boost their damage.
The skill floor for a tank should never be that they die too fast, that's just stupid and undermines the entire fantasy of being a tank. Whoever thought of the whole active mitigation system pretty much ruined the game imo.
The skill ceiling should be dungeon knowledge/using your spec utility to it's fullest/doing good damage/supporting your group in some way. They basically made a system that is cool for the like top 1% of tanks, so they can experience joy. Most of the bad tanks I know who enjoy tanking, are cancer to keep alive and it's basically just punishment for everyone else in the party. It's stupid.
Warrior isn't easy as pali. Great tool kit but takes some skill. Very strong once mastered.
I think it's a bit misleading to rank tanks from easy to hard, because the difficulty is different for "learning" to play or "mastering" to play.
The DK for example is probably the easiest tank to learn with how much self-sustain he has. Very forgiving overall, even if you don't have your mitigation or def CDs up, you can just heal yourself. Playing DK in high keys on the other hand is a constant reaction time check with how bouncy your HP bar is. Being one if not the least tanky tank also doesn't help in every other regard in high keys.
Monk on the other hand is hard to learn, but once you understand stagger (and get a WA) it's fairly easy to play in my opinion. He has enough def CDs to make your life easier and it's not THAT important which attack you press as long as you press something.
Paladin is also easy to learn. Maybe not as easy as DK, but it's straight forward and you have good selfheal. Mastering on the other hand can be tricky. Chosing between a (self)heal and your mitigation always feels bad. Having to stand in you consecration also feels bad. Keeping an eye on your team to support them with blessings and heals while trying to survive a high key, feels like playing a healer on hard mode.
Are tanks still fun to play after Blizzard's Valentine Day's Massacre?
brewmaster lost me at to many buttons lol
Heh.
I can’t even pick dps as a new player.
Almost all feels clunky in rotation or slow.
Can’t figure it out as a new player.
Had the most blast with prot warrior but obviously there’s no sense going tank as a noob.
Ironfur above 6 stacks is wasting rage
Honestly? no.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 Honestly, yes. And thats only true for pushing beyond 15. In the 10-15 range going higher than 2-3 stacks - maybe 4 for rare giga pulls outside of major cds - is already a huge waste most of the time since you can easily outheal the incoming damage while blasting with razes and mauls to manage threat and speed up the key. If Raze is not your #1 damage ability by a fair distance, youre very likely playing too defensively for no reason.
@@polkhigh_33 well, keep playing like you only do low keys, and that's the performance you will have for the end of your life. So no.
@@filipepaivazoega3669
1) The low key card? Nice try, I'm on page 1 of the top io guardians. You?
2) What Quazii and apparently you as well dont know is: The stacks and therefore armor gains through iron fur are not capped. However, your maximum physical DR is, at 85%. Considering youre endgame geared for the season, you'll reach the 85% cap against a 3 level higher elite boss at 5 or 6 stacks. If you dont believe me, feel free to take that topic to Dreamgrove, all the theorycrafters and highio players will confirm this.
3) The damage gain through thorns of iron is evenly distributed and square root scales beyond the 4th stack, so dont even try, it doesnt justify overstacking as well.
4) The art of tanking is and has always been to find the sweet spot in mitigation, selfsustain and throughput. Its funny that you mention 'keep playing like you only do low keys'. Because the higher you go, the more offensive you literally have to play. For one, because the timer forces you, any additional dps matters. And two, the higher you go, the better performing your dps mates will be, forcing you to keep up with the threat. Which is especially true for prepatch with classes like Frost DKs and Furywarriors easily ripping threat worth of 1million+ tank dps. I'm a regular high tier booster at Nova, and if I see you mindlessly stacking furs while my dps toon is getting pummeled from AA leashers, youre gonna 100% get the smoke for tank malperformance.
Quazii: "Tanks have 2 main jobs, staying alive (...)"
Tank nerfs: "Well hello"
Blizz have made zero effort to hide the fact that they will ALWAYS allow Druid tanks to basically be "top dog" of the tanks....to the detriment of all others. That's why I main prot pally/venge DH. Just to spite them.
Plus, I love playing the classes anyway.
I find VDH and Brew WAY harder than Blood DK personally.
Blood dk just plant D&D, spam blood boil on CD, switch between death strike and vampiric strike, use vampiric blood if you’re in trouble. Keep blood shield stacks up with other abilities
Spam all other CDs like Abom limb, dancing rune weapon, etc when they come up at the start of a pull
VDH requires kiting, stops, sigils
Brew has so many buttons I get overwhelmed and always feel like I’m dying
i like that while explaining how to play bdk, you explain 6 different things that require timing and good understanding of the spec as well as the pulls you do, and say they are easy :P this video is for beginner tanks, not players who have played blood dk for the past 12 years and want to try something new, blood dk is absolutely the hardest tank, no doubt about it.
@@Amphroxia i agree . shit ton of planning makes dk more fun
It's a really big difference on how is BDK in M+ based on difficulty.
I'd say that tanking in low keys (maybe until 12-13 or so) it's one of the easiest and chill tanks to play. You don't care about healer you can do everything yourself. But when going to push more on high keys it tends to be a lot more difficult: resource management, 1 shots and proper cd manangement is crucial to stay alive, especially when you don't want to kite ever 2 mobs around cause you insta die.
At least from my experience on higher keys you either get a really good BDK or a really bad one, didn't really find something between :)
@@Amphroxia I play +4-8s mostly
1500 rio take
Gdruid so easy, I make it easier by having a macro press Ironfur every 2 sec lol
Which is a terrible waste of fury and therefore dps/threat. If youre looking at your damage at the end of a run and raze is not your undisputed #1 damage source, youre doing it wrong.
when you start explaining about VDH - love how the ret asks you not to move the warscourge, like what does he want you to do? Stay in the spinny swirlie and take damage 🤣
yes, thats exactly what you should do, tanks take 0 dmg from that, even on +20's, while it's very easy to accidently one shot a melee by moving it.
The paladin is mostly correct. As a tank, you don't need to move the Warscourge at all. You can tank it on the edge and take 0 damage. Tank doesn't move, the Warscourge doesn't move.
#What the other people said. Yes, you DO take that swirlie as a good tank. In general your job as a tank is this: #1 keep threat. #2 keep the pull stacked. #3 stay alive. And yes, its in that order. Keeping threat and a stacked pull with as little movement as possible will drastically increase the kill speed, allowing you and your whole team to use your defensives and heals more aggressively, which ultimately results in staying alive while still beating the shit out of the timer.
Great video!! But unless blizzard changes or reverts the tank nerfs, it’s not a great time to for new players to pick up tanking
I am convinced the nerfs are highly exaggerated, they did the exact same thing back at the start of dragonflight and keep in mind, on beta (the only place where you can test this) your gear is scaled to an ilvl that an average person would never do +20's with. its like doing a +20 on retail right now with ilvl 505 instead of bis geared, of course you're gonna take more damage. stop stressing, it's gonna be fine. :D
I disagree. Tank nerfs really didn't have a massive impact and I think it is still fine for a new player to pick up tanking
Just take aug with you as tank he Gona be your best friend giving you lot of armor
Was not that big of a deal, don't just watch streamers actually go play beta if you can. I will still be tanking same as every expac, but for all those who want to believe its all over be my guest. I will enjoy getting into keys instantly as whatever tank i choose even if its not meta due to lack of tanks.
@@richardwallace8382 I would disagree with you even for an M0 or +2. A newbie tank should first learn normal/hc dungeons but as per last seasons, most of them are jumping from start in mythic dungeons. A lot of bricked keys and rage quit moments incoming with the tank nerfs. In season 3/season 4 of DF even at lower keys if we got an wipe, usually the pug party was disbanded. I don't want to imagine what will happen now with the tank nerfs. Imagine the first wipe on a pack of trash and everyone starts to leave. It will be very very hard to find a good party. MOSTLY because with the tank nerfs, who will be the one to suffer the most? THE HEALER, EXACTLY!! So boys, prepare your time, dungeons are hard in TWW expect a lot of wipes and disbanded parties.
Brewmaster is boring and I never play it. Kinda sux
Why are prot warriors always absolute shit? They were shit 10 years ago too.
Wow is very very easy. It’s not as complicated as this video makes it. I tank M+10s or old 20s without even using any CDs. Just take a pack or 2 at once and you can still time it. No need to do crazy pulls like MDI. With that said, my Monk is the worst tank. Healers always complain about him. Braindead tanks are warriors, paladins, and bear. I watch Netflix when I tank on those 3. DK is easy too but I have to watch my screen and pay attention.
Bdk and dh harder to play than a brew xD hahahaa stop the cap.
Brew is easy in TWW
Whenever a guy comment smth like this, they dont noticed how dumb they are?
@@zfhavox i soloed all the dungeons as a bdk
the "easiest" tank will always be whatever is the strongest in the meta. Not what has the least buttons to press, the easiest rotation etc. 99.9% of WoW players aren't new and have a grasp of how roughly each class is played, so to list "easy" classes like blood dk or warrior tank is wrong if they arent at the top of tanks. - Dragonflight is a perfect example, right now Vengeance Demon hunter is by far the easiest tank to play while having one of the more complicated playstyles for tanks, simply because of the raw utility cc & tankiness that is available to them.
I hate DK, just hate it.
Druid. Swipe swipe growl. keep up fur. Simple but boring. Not a great choice but ok. Their over simplicity is their weakness. Good off tank, great class.
Tell me you dont know guardian without saying it. Swipe is a bad button to press 99% of the time, since it does less damage than an autoattack, therefore generates zero threat and also zero fury. If your tank presses swipe more than 10 times throughout a key thats a red flag. And on a side note: Mangle, Thrash, Maul/Raze might sound bland yeah. But what about frac,frac, spb? Or shieldslam, clap, revenge?
Anybody else just macro ironfur into their moves? lol
Nope. Thats a really bad habit since you only wanna IF as much as necessary and dump all that excess fury into maul and raze casts.
First? ✌🏾
tanks have the easiest rotations though
Is there a channel like this for healers?
Madskillzz or AutomaticJak are pretty solid
If you started want to learn healing in WoW try Yumytv. He got all the healing class covered. Even some of the videos are kinda old but the basic rotation and the class mechanic are still the same. I got into healing after watching his resto druid vid and now I'm a healer main lol.
Actually, you can pick up something from understanding how each tanks works. knowing when to help them with mitigation and spot heal and when to just ignore tanks and focus on others or help do damage instead.