Was This The Right Move??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- Discussing Scottie Barnes $270M rookie contract extension and what it means for the Toronto Raptors going forward
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Scottie is that point forward prototype. Hes versitile, hes a great defender and rebounder. Plus his offensive game is only gonna get better.
Hes also dumb as a bag of rocks.
It's actually 5 years 225 million he only gets the extra 45 million if he wins either mvp dpoy or all nba honors next season NOT all star or anything else. So the contract is actually pretty reasonable considering he gets the extra bags if he is either considered a top defensive player in the league a consensus BEST player in the league or gets a spot on one of the 3 all nba teams basically saying he's one of the best 15 players in the league. But it has to be next year or the contract is 5 years 225.
I did not know that. Thank you for explaining this. It makes more sense this way. I definitely thought it was a over pay for an unproven super star.
@@p-square1430 Hes definitely not unproven but 270 would've been a overpay this guy didn't put any context in the video but barnes is a all star and roty at 22 225 million is a good contract.
By next year do you mean 2024-2025? @olaminabryan8026
@@Summer-us5ql Yes it has to be the 24-25 season or its 225 million
There's a few things you have to remember about Scottie's 2nd season, he started off playing well, got hurt early on, and played through a lot of it.
Nick Nurse was the coach, and he prioritized Fred and Pascal.
Fred turned down an extension offer leading into training camp, and was in a contract year. So he kind of hijacked the offense.
So, Scottie was the one to suffer, even though he was the best player (not by stat).
You do bring up a good point that waiting for next year to play out especially with the new core of Quickley and Barrett along with coach Darko would be the safest bet to make sure this version of Scottie is THE version of Scottie the Raptors are gonna get I also do believe Scottie is worth the contract based on what he’s shown so far and knowing that contracts in the NBA will only be getting bigger and bigger this contract won’t seem that bad in comparison
Yeah, I don't doubt Scottie's abilities and he's certainty one of the more talented players in the league. But why not wait when you can still sign him next summer?
@@And.One.Hoops1 yeah I agree that would’ve been a little smarter and safer especially considering the slump he had in this second year. Good video tho idk why people are hating so hard I think they just saw the title and instantly went to the comments, you brought up some good points
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@@And.One.Hoops1 I watch all your vids and I came across this and figured out it was u
Another thing people always forget/ fail to mention about year 2 post Kawhi was that the Raptors were relocated to Tampa for a whole season lol
I'm fine with the raptors giving Scottie the contract. I believe in him
No offense but if they didnt give him the extension any other team in the league would've given him one. You're literally just trying to be different for no reason. Barnes wouldn't even be eligible for this large of an extension if his resume didn't give him the qualifying accolades. This is rage bait
You literally didn't watch the video....did you? You do realize they didn't HAVE to give him an extension this offseason. They could have let this season play out and still been able to control his contract as a restricted free agent.
Casual comment, Blazers did that with Dame where is he now?
You talking to me or the original poster?
@@And.One.Hoops1 Both, don’t use me as a scapegoat. Comments are meant for discussion but in seriousness other dude who claims to be “pimpnamedslicback”
0:57 I should also add the caveat that due to ongoing border issues, the Raptors played this season out in Tampa Bay, essentially having a 82 game road trip.
Hey it means we got him, but if you're invoking Jordan Poole you're just pulling shit out your ass
Not really, it's the same situation. Obviously Barnes is leaps and bounds a better player, but they didn't NEED to extend him this early.
@@And.One.Hoops1possibly but who knows what the max extension is after next season. Extending early saves the team money unless there's a huge dropoff or there's a legal/criminal issue before the extension where you can dictate terms more favorably kinda like Miles Bridges.
@@And.One.Hoops1no they did not need too but Toronto has a history of having franchise players walk/not want to be there. I think it is wise not too even let Barnes intertain talking to other teams and letting them dictate the market.
@@And.One.Hoops1 scottie is not leaps and bounds better, stop it, y'all underate how crucial jordan poole was to that 2022 chip
Max contracts don't really work like that you need to be a top 15 player to get one.
NBA environment is such, that you'll pretty much are quaranteed to get one as a teams star player, regardless if you're even top 30 player or not.
Scottie will be a top 5 player in thr league by the time his contract expires.. he really has no ceiling
The problem with Scottie is that he isn't a number 1 on a title team. Banchero and Tatum are both way above him as players and they aren't even in the top 5 players. I feel like Toronto will hold on to him the same way Washington held Beal. For no reason and no success
Comparing a guy still on his rookie contract to Tatum is such a weird thing to do. Even then, it took Tatum 4 other all star level guys to get the job done. As for Banchero, he hasn’t even made it out of the first round and has only made the playoffs once. Scottie is more than good enough to be on a championship team although I do think his versatility and skill set are better suited to be the second scoring option. We need a better scorer alongside him but I’m still comfortable paying him a max. The team just needs time to develop and a couple more tweaks but Scottie definitely belongs there
@@ScuffTuff Its not about the two guys I mentioned. Those guys aren't really title guys either. Tatum won because his GM had a major coup of genius that worked to carry him to a title. Paolo can't be a number 1 on a title team either. Both of them are better than Scottie. 9 out of 10 times you need a top 5 guy, if the guy you sign to a max is not a top 5 guy. You basically are doomed to lose to teams that have that guy or close to that guy. At best Scottie will be a top 15 player, he wont be top 10. So they better either get a top 5 guy near term before Scottie gets his next even bigger max, or they better sell off Scottie, for more future value. I think they can get 5 first round picks now, but once he's 26 and on this much bigger deal he's worth 3. To me this raptors build is already doomed for mediocrity at best
No champion has repeated in like 6 seasons. You don't really want to bet on one player just 2 players. You need a well built roster Boston championship is a good example or the raptors 2019 team it had a couple former and up comeing all stars
I think he'd have to make an All NBA team to get the supermax. Even so though it makes me nervous as an OKC fan knowing rookies can get this high of an extension. We have J Dub and Chet's to re sig next year 😬
As a Raptors fan, I'm fine with giving Barnes that extension. Given that Toronto isn't a team that has never been able to secure top free agents and how the Siakim/VanFleet relationships soured, Masai doesn't have the luxury to screw around with player relationships. On top of that, while Barnes isn't a LeBron or Luka slam-dunk, I think he is in the SGA tier of "Has all the tools to be a superstar" and the Raptors front office betting on their ability to put a team together that will maximize Barnes' potential is a decent one.
Not my team (what gave it away, right, lol) but from afar this seems like the right move.
It’s a pay to play league. And you have to show confidence in your young talent by displaying a willingness to compensate and build around them
I got it now how to edit your videos i tried to do documentary style but i will do this style now
Ask him where he buys his clip mixes.
I think Scottie is a fantastic player and a key part of the franchise but I do have one major concern. Under the new CBA, I expect teams will only be able to pay up to 2 max contract players long-term and the rest of the team will have to be smaller contracts. I think this is good cause it’ll mean more opportunities for role players and it’ll help spread talent around the league, especially after expansion. The issue is this means we need the perfect partner to go with him and especially, I don’t believe Scottie can be a number 1 guy. I think he’ll be a top 20 player and easily a great number 2 though. There’s very few players in the league who I think are perfect fits as a duo with him though. I like Shaedon Sharpe as a potential option but I think the main two are Tyrese Maxey and Cade Cunningham. There is quite literally zero chance we get either anytime soon though.
I havent watched enough TOR basketball to have an opinion 😂
Probably the right move. Especially if you think he'll make more improvements. Tough to keep star players in Toronto?
Would maybe have liked to see increase in production and efficiency before giving him the extension. But, perhaps their is a cost to such a ploy, similar to what happened with Brunson?
As such if you think he'll continue to improve. The deal seems smart.
Holy overpay ngl
I love Scottie's game. However, i think RJ could really become the maple mamba for this team.
And this is why we need the DickNBarnes connection to work or we're screwed😅
Scottie Barnes bag is severely limited. This is what happens when you are forced to sign a player because you can’t afford for them to leave (ex: Otto Porter WAS max contract). This will turn out to be a bad contract, unless he drastically improves.
Rather replace Barrett with a better scoring option. Maybe save Jerami Grant from Portland?
Plus, I'd want to trade Poeltl & position my franchise for 5 out play the league is almost certainly heading towards. I think small market teams would be wise to try and replicate Boston in this regard. Especially since it's generally more difficult to attract superstar free agents to less appealing markets.
I think you aren't weighing his second year properly. I blame Nurse mostly for the dip. He used Barnes to prop up the second unit as a sophomore and it tanked his numbers. Either way Toronto lives or dies with Scottie Barnes.
As a Raptors fan I was curious what this video was about. Turns out not much. Easily worth the money. They made it clear when they wouldn't include Scottie in a Durant trade that he was the future.
They could wait but then the money will only continue to rise, especially with a new TV deal on the horizon. If any of the new players don't fit with Scottie you move them not the star of the team so no reason not to give the deal now.
It's literally the only move who else would we save the money for ?? No superstar free agent coming to Toronto
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Definitely will be a bad deal but he wasn't taking anything less & he's a Allstar so he was getting the max it's just how the league works sadly
He wasn't taking anything less, so might as well wait and see how this season goes before committing to an extension
People complaining about scottie getting paid a shit ton of money like Toronto has literally anyone to spend it on aside from the guy with the funny last name or is gonna attract any non canadian free agents to spend it on instead
Well, like I said in the video. They're already paying Barret quite a bit and they're going to have to pay Quickley as well. This contract is going to put them over the cap by 2025
If they didn't offer him the max, he would have declined any other offer from the Raptors.
No, they could have waited until next offseason to see if that truly was his value
@@And.One.Hoops1 I can see what the original post is saying. Like if the front office did decide to hesitate on an offer, that could be viewed as them not trusting him enough. Raptors are a smaller market team, so they gotta secure who they can
Yeah, I see that as well, and you're right it could have caused some friction in the relationship, but the way I look at it is, ball out, and get your max contract next summer. That's what the Sixers did with Tyrese Maxey and now Maxey is going to get even more
I love the raptors. But i am happy Kawhi left; Leave on a good note :^)
Good luck wanting to trade him
If you wouldn’t give Scottie a rookie max extension, then nobody from the entire class deserves one. Not Cade, Mobley, Green, Franz, Sengun, anyone else I’m missing.
I don't think any of them do.....not now anyway. Maybe next summer before they hit RFA
who was arguing that they do??? lmao nice strawman
Love Scottie pay him idc idc
BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY FOR TORONTO I CANT BLAME THE RAPTORS FRONT OFFICE FOR EXTENDING BARNES THIS EARLY💯BETTER THEN LETTING HIM WALK FOR NOTHING LIKE KAWHI😮💨
They could have still retained him as a RFA
2:25
Huh?
@@And.One.Hoops1 RIP headphone users
I still don't know what you're saying
@@And.One.Hoops1 loud audio jumpscare at 2:26 . do you even watch your own video before uploading geez
There isn't one....not sure what you're hearing and no one else has called it out
Bros deal is only 225 with incentives to reach 270 these incentives are basiclly what you asking for him to do at in a restricted year… essentially you wanna risk goin from 225 to 300 mil lol bro you have to pay 200 bottom line no matter how you look at it lol…😂please tell me the last Roy/Allstar… who didn’t get this kinda money.. what the point of waitin it out… just to end up giving him 300 ms lmao naw bro 225 is good your basing you video off 270 which is incorrect and if he does get the full bag means he would’ve ended up gettin the extra 15 more or so regardless.. waitin for Scottie to hit restricted free agency was not going to save you money 😂 it would’ve costed more lol bro basically drastically improved every year lol
This looks like one of the worst contracts in league history. Toronto people always massively overrate their mid-ass players llol
I haven’t finished the video.. but from where i’m at this guy is misinformed. It’s more than likely 5 year 200 or 5 year 210 mil just like hali, lamelo, and ANT. It says UP to 270 mil and that’s only if he gets an all NBA appearance within those 5 years. Do better bro
It's literally what's been reported by Woj. I called out his annual salary. It's still a massive contract that they didn't HAVE to give him this summer