The most disturbing thing about Tarkin is that he, despite not being force sensitive at all, is still as terrifying as Palpatine or Vader. Imagine what he would do if he could become a Sith...
For those who wonder, the "Tarkin" novel, from which a large amount of the information in this video comes, was at first written for Legends, but James Luceno was forced to rewrite it and likely remove content to fit it into the new continuity. That's why that novel has characters from Legends, like Armand Isard or the protocol droid of Plagueis, who have not yet reappeared in the new Canon.
peter cushing was great. i remember the anecdote of him wearing comfy slippers during shooting, because the imperial boots were too uncomfortable and his scenes could easily be shot from the waist up. so, technically, while ordering the destruction of alderaan, tarkin wore slippers. apparently, he was also super nice and friendly.
@@Spooglecraft Him and Chris Lee were quite close. They used to spend time watching acme or looney tunes at film theaters having a good laugh the whole time before Cushing passed away.
The irony of Tarkin taking out Krennic was that by destroying Scarif base he destroyed himself and the Death Star. If the plans left in the transmitter had been analysed in the post action report, the deliberate vulnerability in the Death Star would have been uncovered. And they could have welded some cope cages over the exhaust port by the time of the Battle of Yavin.
Like that gonna stop the Russian from preventing their tanks from blowing up. Also, yeah, they would nearly died like an second chance from the metal doom ball.
Implying the Rebels couldn’t just blast through it anyway and then send the payload as intended. Maybe Yavin 4 still gets destroyed but the Rebels are still victorious.
Rogue One retconning the exhaust port into an intentional design flaw is so needless and lame. It was a fitting downfall that they thought they were too big to fail. Plus, a weapon of that magnitude should naturally have some serious weaknesses. It was relatively slow to fire and align itself, too. The biggest threat of the D Star wasn't that it could end planets, it was the terror it enforced on the galaxy.
@@EGRJ It's not really a 'flaw', it's direct sabotage. And it doesn't really make sense anyways, because the D-star plans have existed since Attack of the Clones. Come to think, they didn't really need the entire plans, did they? All they needed to do was tell them about the exhaust port. They only really wanted the plans so they could find a weakness, that was the original logic in ANH, but if they'd just told them the one intentional weakness, the actual plans themselves wouldn't really be important.
What's most amusing about the whole 'Tarkin's Greatest Mistake' fallout is that, let's be real, the Emperor's furious reaction to Alderaan being blown up is rank hypocrisy. The Emperor can't even get mad at the political fallout, because Tarkin's chain of thought was exactly like the Emperor's. And in fact, the Emperor also made similar stupid mistakes of miscalculating the amount or intensity of backlash he'd get from his flashy intimidation tactics that seemingly brought instantaneous results both in Shadows of the Empire and Return of the Jedi. Let's face it, Tarkin and Palpatine was perfect for each other, it's just that neither of them had the self-awareness to realize that they were perfect for the wrong reasons.
Something pretty scary about Tarkin is how naturally evil he became over the years. For example, the novel "Cloak of Deception", se one year before "The Phantom Menace", shows Tarkin as a kinda sympathetic young aristocrat. People REALLY change over the years
Not helped when your son is set up as a sacrificial patsy among rebel company and your fed a dolled up "fairy tale" about his fate that turns you Poodoo-level, rabid.
His childhood forced him to be paranoid and look for any opportunity to better his position or survive. In the hyper competitive hierarchy of the empire tarkin was seeing opportunities everywhere to do what he thought was right, regardless of what anyone else thought or the cost in lives. He landed a landing ship on protesters, he blew up alderaan without any regard for the cost, and was so convinced of his righteousness and tarkin doctrine he couldnt even conceive that anyone would oppose the empire if the empire simply scared everyone into submission. He could not fathom that people are capable of laying their lives down for a cause that they believe in, even in the face of impossible odds. Its ironic that the empires most psychopathic opportunist was defeated by opportunists; the rebel alliance. The alliances' whole thing was to wage guerilla/opportunistic warfare. They had to determine the best way to stretch limited resources and hit the empire where it hurt without them being able to see it coming. Really, really ironic.
I like how Tarkin has been treated by the new canon in general, but it's pretty sad that horrible short-story in which he sleeps with a stormtrooper is part of it. Tarkin would NEVER do that with someone of such rank, regardless of their gender.
@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 Yeah, the FACPOV ibook is absolute madness. There's actually a pretty interesting Reddit post that specifecally talks about that crazy sh*t
1:06 Speaking of Raith Sienar, he and Tarkin actually invaded together the planet Zonama Sekot in the novel "Rogue Planet", set 3 years after The Phantom Menace. Sienar's whole personality is basically "I HATE YOU, TARKIN"
You just know that when Tarkin squashed those protestors on that landing pad it made Palpatine's heart race. Palpatine only ramped up military operations after his precious Tarkin was unjustly struck down by a force assisted proton torpedo. Move over Han and Leia, this is peak relationship goals in Star Wars.
"...And that the strong always defeated the weak." -It takes more strength to show kindness, compassion, understanding, respect and forgiveness than to give into the weakness of fear, envy, arrogance, selfishness, anger, and hate.
11:55 Ngl, I actually find Bane's samurai outfit from TCW pretty generic. In fact, I think his Legends orbalisk armor is pretty cool and far better, no matter how many fans say it looks ridiculous.
Tarkin may have been as disposable as anyone else to Palpatine, yet it is worth noting that his reign after he was gone lasted less than half a decade. Just about the same for Thrawn.
Grand Moff Tarkin is the Rebellion's unsung hero. It was His insistence on the Tarkin Doctrine that allowed the Rebellion to flourish. If the Empire had someone competent in his position it would still reign over the galaxy.
the problem is that if the empire was run by two people who belong to religion that thrives of suffering, ie the sith palpatine isnt dumb, you dont need to be that cruel in order to achieve order, but because of his beliefs and his affinity to the force, he thrived of that suffering which is why any sith civilization cannot thrive,. sith need suffering, civilization cannot function if people are constantly suffering so a sith being compitant at running a civilization is litteraly an oxymoron
If the Empire had just stuck to being a multinational police force they would have found widespread public acceptance. Instead they seized resources, business assets and slaves. Eventually they created the Rebellion themselves.
Because despite what most modern fans might think, Tarkin was actually competent at his job. He was completely amoral and egotistical, but extremely efficient when it came to things that were important to him, and those tended to be things that were also important to Palpatine.
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I was recently thinking about the first time Price meets Tarkin, and tell him shes struggling to get a fair promotion for thrawns ensin aid. "What, resistance to a military promotion? " and responds by not only giving thrawns aid a 2x or 3x(or more?) Promotion, promotes thrawn to flag rank, and gives him a F-ing star destoyer. All because someone wanted to throw their power around, and tarkin had to show what power was. Hes pretty much like, pft, let me make a phone call.....
Tarkin did whatever Palpatine wanted and relied entirely on Palpatine for his power. Making him easily controllable. When he started playing politics with the Death Star, he immediately became expendable.
Another reason for creating antagonism is to keep those under you so focused on dealing with the machinations of each other, that they do not have time to plot against you.
In centuries passed it was illegal to criticize the King. Yet there were no such restrictions when it came to his advisors. I suppose a key difference here is that while Tarkin could theoretically take the blame for failures, who would dare openly accuse him of anything before the death star was destroyed?
In "New Hope" Tarkin was over Vader, and this plays really well in the overall story. Vader at that point was still being kicked in the face by the Emperor to keep him at his feet. After the loss of the first Death Star Tarkin was gone so Vader was the one that got the boost. My guess is that the Emperor was not happy about it but did not have a working plan B vs the Vader plan C.
Tarkin also had zero sense of gratitude- Ahsoka was part of the crew that rescued him from the Citadel during the Clone Wars and yet he was practically salivating over having the chance to have her executed during the Jedi Temple Bombing incident (I realize he would have been like that no matter who Barriss scapegoated, but still.)
Tarkin was Palpatine's enabler, it was his job to either directly support Palpatine's on all his evil whims or act on them via proxy. Anything terrible done could ahve been pinned on Tarkin and waved away with his political connections, "oh no that (insert atrocity) was Tarkin's doing, i'd punish him but we need his clout to get anything done around here"
To be honest, it has everything to do with the fact that Tarkin isn't human emotionally, he's way more like a Sith, so therefore Palpatine coddles him because he literally sees Tarkin as himself.
As my face ages I'm developing the beginning of a good grand moff tarkin impression with the gaunt cheeks. I'm only forty so with a few decades practice I should be quite the cosplay fit :D
It sounds like before tarkin becomes grand moff 5 year into the empire. Someone had the position of ( the emporers voice) as he us giving those interviews its speculated.
I think the simplest way to look at it is that Tarkin and his views/doctrine were appealing to Plapatines ego, he said the things Plapatine wanted to hear without being a yes man. a VERY seductive setup. Combine that with the shared background and it was a very star wars bromance
Because he wasn’t controlled by the Sith, but was certainly prone to share a Sith’s thinking. Not being a Sith and be extremely rational and calculating made his advisement seem less tainted by the light and dark sides of the force I would think. He was like Dooku but without the sense of right and wrong that plagued his decisions. The emperor knew he could use Dooku but that he did have limits to how far he would go, Tarkin didn’t have that failing, he was all in.
Palpatine "trusting " Tarkin ? Did Tarkin really think Palpatine trusted him completely? I doubt it .The ISB definitely had operatives ,both openly and covertly on both Death Stars .Most likely on every naval vessel as well. Palpatine's throne(s) most likely had access to shut down or destroy the Death Star if required.
I honestly don't think Tarkin had anywhere near the level of charisma Palpatine had. Even if he did somehow take absolute power, he most likely would have shown the Empire's true colors way sooner.
Palpatine never trusted Tarkin blindly, I'm sure he had one or more agents in Tarkin's circle with orders to kill him if he stepped out of line or got too ambitious. Or there was always Vader to do the job.
Lets face it, Vader would have been awful at managing anything other than war (not that he was great at that either, really... maybe tactics?). Even Tarkin might have been better than him. And to be fair, of course a man who is like Palpatine would be Palpatine's favourite. Sheev is quite the narcissist.
Given Tarkins compatibility with Sideous and his absolute loyalty, i think Palatine was planning on killing Darth Vader right after the rebel base on yavin was destroyed, with the rebel high command dead and the death star feared throughout the galaxy, Vader would become redundant at best and a threat at worst, so in a weird way luke saved Vader by destroying the death star
Slight hitch with that plan is that by the time of Yavin the Inquisitors have been eliminated by Vader, so there is no apparent readily available apprentice. Now, as we saw with Maul & Dooku, Palpatine only technically followed the rule of two. He was grooming Dooku well before Maul's death, and indeed he was grooming Anakin before Dooku's death. So while Palpatine may have had a new apprentice lined up he would not have Tarkin kill Vader for this new apprentice. That isn't the Sith way, the new apprentice would need to defeat Vader themselves. In Dooku's case since Obi-Wan killed Maul he had to kill Yaddle (guarantee Palpatine made him bleed Yaddle's Khyber crystal for his Sith blade). Now in Canon by the time of Yavin Vader and Palpatine have tried to kill each other several times, but in each case Palpatine has sent potential apprentices to fight Vader personally. The one time he put Vader against Tarkin was ultimately a lesson for the both of them. Imagine if Maul had turned Ezra, no doubt Palpatine would have waited for the right time to eliminate Maul and then hide Ezra away until he was ready for Vader. Why else did he never send Vader after Maul? He was a teacher for a potential future apprentice primed for Sith. Vader never even knew Maul was on the planet in Twilight of the Apprentice, he never saw him, said his name, anything. He was there for Ezra, Kanan, & Ahsoka. I believe Palpatine wanted Maul to get away with Ezra, while Vader eliminated his ties to the Jedi. I will admit I want this theory to be true because it makes Starkiller more likely to exist in some form within canon (please Ahsoka season 2). Sorry to ramble
@@shanerasmussen5225 since when has palpatine ever cared about the rule of two? His whole thing was that he was the ultimate embodiment of the dark side and would rule forever without needing an apprentice. With the death star, rebellion would be impossible and thus he wouldn't need Vader to go around and stomp on anyone who tried to resist, so logically palpatine wouldn't have any need for Vader anymore And since he doesn't know about Luke yet he wouldn't need Vader to turn him to the dark side
@@AltbinariesPPK Not having an apprentice makes him a bit vulnerable to a Rival like Maul, plus he wants to replace his body, it's been wrecked since Windu. It's a lot easier to do that with an apprentice on hand, and a lot easier to focus on making it happen. The Death Star doesn't make rebellion impossible or the galaxy would still be under Rakatan rule. More dangerous, more difficult yes, but not impossible.
Considering this segment's content, why did Emperor Palpatine not "adopt" W. Tarkin into the Imperial family? The act of adoption for valued non-bloodline individuals probably would not be uncommon since the Star Wars universe does mirror our cultures and histories. However, adoption does not guarantee succession.
Palpatine trusted and respected Tarkin behind Tarkin was the only being in the galaxy that was just as sociopathic as Palpatine was . But unlike Vader , Sidious knew that he didn't need to fear Tarkin at all because he knew that he could kill Tarkin with a thought . Anakin / Vader had multiple issues . Thrawn's main goal was to gain power and protect the Ascendancy . ( and he knew that he could kill Thrawn with just a thought. ) Tarkin was the perfect choice for a political companion .
Why did he trust Tarkin? Because he had a striking resemblance to the phenomenal actor Peter Cushing. EVERYBODY knows Palpatine is an adamant fan of the Hammer horror film series
Yeah, they are both ruthlessly amoral and bloodthirsty psychopaths, so it is no wonder that Sidious and Tarkin got along like two peas in a pod. Plus with Tarkin's non force sensitivity, he was the perfect underling to carry out and implement Sidious's plans to rule and control the galaxy through fear and tyranny.
I don't keep up with all the new stuff, so forgive me if I'm not taking into account certain comics or short stories, etc, but I might just not have seen; but to me his closest association with tarkin made progressively less sense as the story went on, because tarkin himself seemed less and less competent the more stories he was added into.... Back when you're talking about just episode four and maybe some of the initial extra appearances, to me tarkin always came across like a highly competent person who is ultimately hand strong by a dedication to a broken philosophy; His dedication to fascism, of which he had managed to work himself into the upper echelons ultimately fueling the hubris that would be his undoing. But then it more just became he was borderline competent, if even that, and just happened to be in the right place at the right time to cheat his way up the ladder to the top... And ultimately now it doesn't make sense that the emperor would have someone so totally incompetent in charge of anything, let alone some of the projects he had the most faith in.
A Galactic Empire with Dooku in charge of politics and economics and Tarkin in charge of the entire military would’ve made the Empire succeed. Unfortunately Sidious was just too evil to keep his good subordinates.
a lot of plot holes are suposed to exist in in universe. It wouldn't change the course of the plot if they did go back for Aniken's mom but Watto already sold her to that family that freed her. But the the problems wity the jedi was part of the plot . But i under way the Group with a attachments thats attached ti republic going to war with systems in places the republic has jurusticion of republic in name of republican. .and didnt want indiviaul jedi take on their indivual issues but that's what Obi Wan did . In clone wars series . Its flat out stated Obi had to come alone to not involve the republican in a side war. And Smee was just an avarage slave and buying wouldn't be any change the local system. And the galactic war over issues of republic juristic started . Satin anthe over Thrown leader and Obi wan alone to fight wity Maul doing the main war. Thats more just contradictory of an organizations nit suposed to attachments being attached to major government. . . That's flat oprn double standard And we talk if the jesi should detach from the republic . Be ronins free people where not in snyone's name. But could Aniken Just leave the order and be a free agent.
If the emperor listened to technocrats and tacticians like Thrawn rather than Tarkin the empire could have been much more efficient. I wonder if Thrawn made it even closer to the Emperor if he would try to take over. Imagine if Emperor Thrawn made a deal with the rebels to turn the imperial military into his own personal "Imperial expansionary defense fleet" and promised to keep the empire in the unknown regions/ chaos in order to protect the chiss. Similar to how the chiss expansionary defense fleet was not allowed inside the borders of the ascendancy. Here's the fleet compoition I think Thrawn would advocate for. I mean they new republic agreed to keeping the remants in the unkown regions even after they won the war. I feel the rebels would definitely agree to thrawn if he willingly exiled the entire empire before the imperial senate was even disbanded and a full fledged civil war even started. Once they leave this would give time for the new-republic to build up just in case the empire returns once thrawn dies. 1. Keep the venator, acclamator, arquitense light cruiser, the clones, and republic starfighters such as the v-wing until upkeep become more expensive than new designs. 2. Combine separatist, republic, and new imperial technology and tactics into new designs. I understand the tie design due to centralized logistics rather than having different manufacturers. There are benefits to having different pipelines incase of parts issues, especially in a republic that wants to encourage competition, however for a command economy like the empire it does make sense.: A. Make the tie interceptor the standard tie to act as a point defense ships for carriers, make the tie defender the main long-range patrol and assault starfighter which can extend the range of an imperial fleet. A pair of defenders could likely take out a whole squad of X-wings. Keep the tie bomber but this is the one time I would include another starfighter manufacturer, keeping and upgrading the Y-wing to be a longer range bomber, or develop another type of tie bomber. B. No death star and instead focus technology on interdictors, and stealth ships like the IPV-2C stealth corvette. Create a new carrier based fleet instead of star destroyers. Focus on shields, point defense, and torpedos and missiles over turbolasers. (But keep some turbolasers since they can be fired indefinitely when missiles run out). Also automate much of the ships tor educe crew requirements. Fleet example: 1. Imperial class Star Carrier - New design based on venator. Tie interceptors, bombers, and defenders. I would also include a handful of heavy starfighters such as the missile boat thrawn used that was based on the starwing 1-2 Sovereign class cruisers - smaller more efficient star destroyers, I'm thinking a cross between a gladiator, victory, and munificent frigate. Focusing on shields, long range turbolaser/ion cannons, some medium turbolasers, and especially a focus on capital grade torpedo's, missiles, and point defense weaponry of all types: Laser cannons, point defense missiles, flak guns, and ion cannons. This ship is a also capable of orbital bombardment. 1-2 Stardestroyer class frigates - Basically an imperial MC30c. The stardestroyer frigate will focus on speed, maneuverability, missiles, and turbolasers to quickly strafe enemy ships and retreat. similar complement to the cruiser but with less point defense. I like the cluster bombs that the MC30c had. 2 Nebulon-b frigates. Originally an imperial design anyway I will use likely one as a medical ship and one for additional anti-starfighter support. I would add torpedos and point defense missiles as well but not flak because the shells take up so much space. The empire nationalized CEC so I would include hammerhead corvettes as resupply transports, and create a new gunship based on the lancer, DP20 and raider corvette. Corvettes are a little too big for this role. Their extra space is great for operating on their own for extended periods of times as system patrol ship where a frigate is too expensive and overkill. Small gunships with only enough space or pilots and gunners can be resupplied by the fleet they support. I would have a handful of two different variants 1 focused on anti-starfighter with Lasers and missiles, and one focused on torpedos for anti capital ship warfare. I would name them the "Firestorm class gunship". If possible I would use a handful of IPV-2c stealth corvette as a torpedo boats but these would be more rare. I would also include interdictors in larger fleets. Once the acclamator becomes too old I still believe a designated troop transport would be a better use of resources than keeping legions of marines on a star destroyer just sitting around just in case a fleet battle turns into a planetary assault. Keeping the marines on their own designated ships makes sure they are where they are needed. I would also create patrol ships based on the CEC VCX-100 light freighter and add some additional ion weaponry to disable ships in a policing role. The CR90 would also be good to supplement these and be used as personal transports for high ranking imperials. The quasar carrier would also be great for system patrols and policing. The quasar fractures when moving through hyperspace making it weak for the navy but great as a stationary base for VCX-100 patrol ships and tie-interceptors, or as a starfighter base for independently operating tie-defenders. An independent starfighter corps would work great for the empire to set up in hot-spots where a permanent presence is needed.
Making Jedis military generals was a monumentally stupid decision in the first place IF the goal was to win a war. Indeed, the Jedi should have refused it because they were not qualified. But we know the point wasn't to win a war, don't we?
Tarkin was so intimidating that he could wear slippers on the Death Star and no one would dare comment about them.
Good ol' Grandma Tuffkin.
Truly no one better who can aptly be described as a 'very cross, unpleasant gentleman'.
Grand Moff Crocs. 😂 No, wait... 🤔
Governor "Chancla"... 😂😂😂
This is a reference to Peter Cushing only wearing his boots when his feet were going to be on screen
He could of walked on to the bridge in drag and full make up and everyone would still fear and respect him .....lol 😊😅
The most disturbing thing about Tarkin is that he, despite not being force sensitive at all, is still as terrifying as Palpatine or Vader. Imagine what he would do if he could become a Sith...
Ok, now that's a scary thought
You find him terrifying? He is literally a joke. He didnt understand anything. Control through fear xD
@@KosMir16A wookie in a tutu may look silly and ridiculous, but it could still tear your arms off.
For those who wonder, the "Tarkin" novel, from which a large amount of the information in this video comes, was at first written for Legends, but James Luceno was forced to rewrite it and likely remove content to fit it into the new continuity. That's why that novel has characters from Legends, like Armand Isard or the protocol droid of Plagueis, who have not yet reappeared in the new Canon.
The audiobook is better
@@isaackim7675 subs version is better than the dub.
That use of Count Dracula footage for Tarkin and Dooku is a good joke. Those two actors are legendary and Star Wars is better for getting them.
peter cushing was great. i remember the anecdote of him wearing comfy slippers during shooting, because the imperial boots were too uncomfortable and his scenes could easily be shot from the waist up. so, technically, while ordering the destruction of alderaan, tarkin wore slippers.
apparently, he was also super nice and friendly.
@@Spooglecraft Him and Chris Lee were quite close. They used to spend time watching acme or looney tunes at film theaters having a good laugh the whole time before Cushing passed away.
The irony of Tarkin taking out Krennic was that by destroying Scarif base he destroyed himself and the Death Star.
If the plans left in the transmitter had been analysed in the post action report, the deliberate vulnerability in the Death Star would have been uncovered.
And they could have welded some cope cages over the exhaust port by the time of the Battle of Yavin.
Like that gonna stop the Russian from preventing their tanks from blowing up. Also, yeah, they would nearly died like an second chance from the metal doom ball.
Implying the Rebels couldn’t just blast through it anyway and then send the payload as intended.
Maybe Yavin 4 still gets destroyed but the Rebels are still victorious.
Rogue One retconning the exhaust port into an intentional design flaw is so needless and lame. It was a fitting downfall that they thought they were too big to fail. Plus, a weapon of that magnitude should naturally have some serious weaknesses. It was relatively slow to fire and align itself, too. The biggest threat of the D Star wasn't that it could end planets, it was the terror it enforced on the galaxy.
@@KarazolaX In R1, the design flaw only exists because the Empire forced Pappa Erso to make the thing in the first place, so it's still poetic.
@@EGRJ It's not really a 'flaw', it's direct sabotage. And it doesn't really make sense anyways, because the D-star plans have existed since Attack of the Clones.
Come to think, they didn't really need the entire plans, did they? All they needed to do was tell them about the exhaust port. They only really wanted the plans so they could find a weakness, that was the original logic in ANH, but if they'd just told them the one intentional weakness, the actual plans themselves wouldn't really be important.
What's most amusing about the whole 'Tarkin's Greatest Mistake' fallout is that, let's be real, the Emperor's furious reaction to Alderaan being blown up is rank hypocrisy. The Emperor can't even get mad at the political fallout, because Tarkin's chain of thought was exactly like the Emperor's. And in fact, the Emperor also made similar stupid mistakes of miscalculating the amount or intensity of backlash he'd get from his flashy intimidation tactics that seemingly brought instantaneous results both in Shadows of the Empire and Return of the Jedi.
Let's face it, Tarkin and Palpatine was perfect for each other, it's just that neither of them had the self-awareness to realize that they were perfect for the wrong reasons.
And to those who fear chaos, freedom is seen as chaotic. Truth is, they fear anything they can not control.
Something pretty scary about Tarkin is how naturally evil he became over the years. For example, the novel "Cloak of Deception", se one year before "The Phantom Menace", shows Tarkin as a kinda sympathetic young aristocrat. People REALLY change over the years
Not helped when your son is set up as a sacrificial patsy among rebel company and your fed a dolled up "fairy tale" about his fate that turns you Poodoo-level, rabid.
His childhood forced him to be paranoid and look for any opportunity to better his position or survive. In the hyper competitive hierarchy of the empire tarkin was seeing opportunities everywhere to do what he thought was right, regardless of what anyone else thought or the cost in lives. He landed a landing ship on protesters, he blew up alderaan without any regard for the cost, and was so convinced of his righteousness and tarkin doctrine he couldnt even conceive that anyone would oppose the empire if the empire simply scared everyone into submission. He could not fathom that people are capable of laying their lives down for a cause that they believe in, even in the face of impossible odds. Its ironic that the empires most psychopathic opportunist was defeated by opportunists; the rebel alliance. The alliances' whole thing was to wage guerilla/opportunistic warfare. They had to determine the best way to stretch limited resources and hit the empire where it hurt without them being able to see it coming. Really, really ironic.
The Sith Academy level in KOTOR 2 is still such a great in-depth picture of how the teachings operated.
Because Tarkin offered him a cookie.
Hmmm, this is quite a possibility
That’s what Sheev said
I like how Tarkin has been treated by the new canon in general, but it's pretty sad that horrible short-story in which he sleeps with a stormtrooper is part of it. Tarkin would NEVER do that with someone of such rank, regardless of their gender.
God, that was awful. Turning Tarkin gay for stormtroopers and mouse droids was a very odd decision.
@@SonofCradossk9853 It was so hilariously awful; it honestly felt more like a fanfic than anything. When I read it, I had to do a double take.
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Yeah, the FACPOV ibook is absolute madness. There's actually a pretty interesting Reddit post that specifecally talks about that crazy sh*t
Wait what!! When did this happen and WTF
Woke culture
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Speaking of Raith Sienar, he and Tarkin actually invaded together the planet Zonama Sekot in the novel "Rogue Planet", set 3 years after The Phantom Menace. Sienar's whole personality is basically "I HATE YOU, TARKIN"
Lol good book
You just know that when Tarkin squashed those protestors on that landing pad it made Palpatine's heart race. Palpatine only ramped up military operations after his precious Tarkin was unjustly struck down by a force assisted proton torpedo. Move over Han and Leia, this is peak relationship goals in Star Wars.
"...And that the strong always defeated the weak."
-It takes more strength to show kindness, compassion, understanding, respect and forgiveness than to give into the weakness of fear, envy, arrogance, selfishness, anger, and hate.
That's words to live by right here
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Ngl, I actually find Bane's samurai outfit from TCW pretty generic. In fact, I think his Legends orbalisk armor is pretty cool and far better, no matter how many fans say it looks ridiculous.
I honestly like the idea of Sith with Samurai esque armor. Kinda like how the ancient Sith had a kind of Egyptian type look
Would be nice to see sir Peter & sir Christopher share screen time whilst they were among the living in Star Wars❤
Tarkin may have been as disposable as anyone else to Palpatine, yet it is worth noting that his reign after he was gone lasted less than half a decade. Just about the same for Thrawn.
Grand Moff Tarkin is the Rebellion's unsung hero.
It was His insistence on the Tarkin Doctrine that allowed the Rebellion to flourish. If the Empire had someone competent in his position it would still reign over the galaxy.
the problem is that if the empire was run by two people who belong to religion that thrives of suffering, ie the sith
palpatine isnt dumb, you dont need to be that cruel in order to achieve order, but because of his beliefs and his affinity to the force, he thrived of that suffering which is why any sith civilization cannot thrive,.
sith need suffering, civilization cannot function if people are constantly suffering so a sith being compitant at running a civilization is litteraly an oxymoron
If the Empire had just stuck to being a multinational police force they would have found widespread public acceptance. Instead they seized resources, business assets and slaves. Eventually they created the Rebellion themselves.
Love the Hammer nod
Palpatine warned Dooku:
"Don't let Tarkin get behind you with a wooden stake."
I always assumed it was because of the buttery goodness of how he said “You may fire when ready.”
Ruthless ambition can really change a person.
What about Mas Amedda? He knew about the sith grand plan before the empire was even formed. I imagine he had to have been very trusted
Because despite what most modern fans might think, Tarkin was actually competent at his job. He was completely amoral and egotistical, but extremely efficient when it came to things that were important to him, and those tended to be things that were also important to Palpatine.
these videos help me understand a lot about people and how they think and as someone who is going through the end of their teenage years it really helps me to understand how people and the world work so, i thank u allen, keep making these amazing videos!
I was recently thinking about the first time Price meets Tarkin, and tell him shes struggling to get a fair promotion for thrawns ensin aid. "What, resistance to a military promotion? " and responds by not only giving thrawns aid a 2x or 3x(or more?) Promotion, promotes thrawn to flag rank, and gives him a F-ing star destoyer. All because someone wanted to throw their power around, and tarkin had to show what power was. Hes pretty much like, pft, let me make a phone call.....
Tarkin did whatever Palpatine wanted and relied entirely on Palpatine for his power. Making him easily controllable.
When he started playing politics with the Death Star, he immediately became expendable.
Tarkin would be a scary sith lord. But definitely would be a threatening sidious.
Tl;dr, Palpatine wanted a friend but couldn't have a Sith friend so settled for the next best thing.
Never really thought about this, thankyou for this thought provoking idea.
"Which of course is the way of the dictator, take responsibility for all successes, and delegate all failures." - Generation Tech
7:35 Dracula and Frankenstein! Together, at last!!!!
Another reason for creating antagonism is to keep those under you so focused on dealing with the machinations of each other, that they do not have time to plot against you.
What if Aniken left order and Became a free agent
In centuries passed it was illegal to criticize the King. Yet there were no such restrictions when it came to his advisors. I suppose a key difference here is that while Tarkin could theoretically take the blame for failures, who would dare openly accuse him of anything before the death star was destroyed?
In "New Hope" Tarkin was over Vader, and this plays really well in the overall story. Vader at that point was still being kicked in the face by the Emperor to keep him at his feet. After the loss of the first Death Star Tarkin was gone so Vader was the one that got the boost. My guess is that the Emperor was not happy about it but did not have a working plan B vs the Vader plan C.
If tarkin had been force sensitive he would have been Palpatines apprentice. And a terrifying one at that
Why wasnt Aniken wearing a wire when spying on Palpatine
Great video
Palps and Tarkin go back to when Tarkin was Lt. Governor of Eriadu, in Legends.
Tarkin also had zero sense of gratitude- Ahsoka was part of the crew that rescued him from the Citadel during the Clone Wars and yet he was practically salivating over having the chance to have her executed during the Jedi Temple Bombing incident (I realize he would have been like that no matter who Barriss scapegoated, but still.)
Tarkin was Palpatine's enabler, it was his job to either directly support Palpatine's on all his evil whims or act on them via proxy. Anything terrible done could ahve been pinned on Tarkin and waved away with his political connections, "oh no that (insert atrocity) was Tarkin's doing, i'd punish him but we need his clout to get anything done around here"
I kinda had vision of Targin Killing count Duku.or was that another movie
yes, that was a different classic
Tarkin was awesome!!!
To be honest, it has everything to do with the fact that Tarkin isn't human emotionally, he's way more like a Sith, so therefore Palpatine coddles him because he literally sees Tarkin as himself.
I enjoy all the people who make these types of Star Wars videos! They talk about Star wars like it's ww1 history!
Lol so true. These star wars channels made me get into the books.
As my face ages I'm developing the beginning of a good grand moff tarkin impression with the gaunt cheeks. I'm only forty so with a few decades practice I should be quite the cosplay fit :D
It sounds like before tarkin becomes grand moff 5 year into the empire. Someone had the position of ( the emporers voice) as he us giving those interviews its speculated.
I think the simplest way to look at it is that Tarkin and his views/doctrine were appealing to Plapatines ego, he said the things Plapatine wanted to hear without being a yes man. a VERY seductive setup. Combine that with the shared background and it was a very star wars bromance
Short answer is he wanted someone as insane as him but loyal
Tarkin was also kinda raised like a sith you either eat and kill or you get eaten
Because he wasn’t controlled by the Sith, but was certainly prone to share a Sith’s thinking. Not being a Sith and be extremely rational and calculating made his advisement seem less tainted by the light and dark sides of the force I would think. He was like Dooku but without the sense of right and wrong that plagued his decisions. The emperor knew he could use Dooku but that he did have limits to how far he would go, Tarkin didn’t have that failing, he was all in.
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I belive that you stated Palps wanted to destroy the Empire and have it fully replaced by the Final Order but, Tarkin embodied the Sith extreme views.
Great Easter egg, even though I haven’t seen that Hammer horror flick!
Had to turn video off music was too loud
He had to trust somebody. Tharken was controllable, vicious and semi-compatent.
Palpatine "trusting " Tarkin ?
Did Tarkin really think Palpatine trusted him completely? I doubt it .The ISB definitely had operatives ,both openly and covertly on both Death Stars .Most likely on every naval vessel as well. Palpatine's throne(s) most likely had access to shut down or destroy the Death Star if required.
Tarkin was not Force-sensitive, but he was naturally steeped in the Dark Side of the Force, thus his usefulness to Darth Sidious.
It's funny how nice Peter Cushing actually was
Que pasaría si Moff Tarkin fuera el lord sid en ves de palpatin? Como hubiera sido la historia de Star Wars ?
Good question...
I honestly don't think Tarkin had anywhere near the level of charisma Palpatine had. Even if he did somehow take absolute power, he most likely would have shown the Empire's true colors way sooner.
Palpatine never trusted Tarkin blindly, I'm sure he had one or more agents in Tarkin's circle with orders to kill him if he stepped out of line or got too ambitious. Or there was always Vader to do the job.
Lets face it, Vader would have been awful at managing anything other than war (not that he was great at that either, really... maybe tactics?). Even Tarkin might have been better than him.
And to be fair, of course a man who is like Palpatine would be Palpatine's favourite. Sheev is quite the narcissist.
Given Tarkins compatibility with Sideous and his absolute loyalty, i think Palatine was planning on killing Darth Vader right after the rebel base on yavin was destroyed, with the rebel high command dead and the death star feared throughout the galaxy, Vader would become redundant at best and a threat at worst, so in a weird way luke saved Vader by destroying the death star
Slight hitch with that plan is that by the time of Yavin the Inquisitors have been eliminated by Vader, so there is no apparent readily available apprentice. Now, as we saw with Maul & Dooku, Palpatine only technically followed the rule of two. He was grooming Dooku well before Maul's death, and indeed he was grooming Anakin before Dooku's death.
So while Palpatine may have had a new apprentice lined up he would not have Tarkin kill Vader for this new apprentice. That isn't the Sith way, the new apprentice would need to defeat Vader themselves. In Dooku's case since Obi-Wan killed Maul he had to kill Yaddle (guarantee Palpatine made him bleed Yaddle's Khyber crystal for his Sith blade).
Now in Canon by the time of Yavin Vader and Palpatine have tried to kill each other several times, but in each case Palpatine has sent potential apprentices to fight Vader personally. The one time he put Vader against Tarkin was ultimately a lesson for the both of them.
Imagine if Maul had turned Ezra, no doubt Palpatine would have waited for the right time to eliminate Maul and then hide Ezra away until he was ready for Vader. Why else did he never send Vader after Maul? He was a teacher for a potential future apprentice primed for Sith.
Vader never even knew Maul was on the planet in Twilight of the Apprentice, he never saw him, said his name, anything. He was there for Ezra, Kanan, & Ahsoka. I believe Palpatine wanted Maul to get away with Ezra, while Vader eliminated his ties to the Jedi.
I will admit I want this theory to be true because it makes Starkiller more likely to exist in some form within canon (please Ahsoka season 2).
Sorry to ramble
@@shanerasmussen5225 since when has palpatine ever cared about the rule of two? His whole thing was that he was the ultimate embodiment of the dark side and would rule forever without needing an apprentice.
With the death star, rebellion would be impossible and thus he wouldn't need Vader to go around and stomp on anyone who tried to resist, so logically palpatine wouldn't have any need for Vader anymore
And since he doesn't know about Luke yet he wouldn't need Vader to turn him to the dark side
@@AltbinariesPPK Not having an apprentice makes him a bit vulnerable to a Rival like Maul, plus he wants to replace his body, it's been wrecked since Windu. It's a lot easier to do that with an apprentice on hand, and a lot easier to focus on making it happen.
The Death Star doesn't make rebellion impossible or the galaxy would still be under Rakatan rule. More dangerous, more difficult yes, but not impossible.
@@AltbinariesPPK Oh and part of my point was that he only cares about the rule as it benefits him.
Tarkin wasn't a political man he was a military genius and an efficient organiser that's why Palp trusted ad needed im so much 😊
We so need a Star Wars What If where Vader succeeds in destroying the Rebel fighters and Tarking destroyed Yavin 4?
Palpatine trusted Mas Amedda much more than he trusted Tarkin.
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Considering this segment's content, why did Emperor Palpatine not "adopt" W. Tarkin into the Imperial family? The act of adoption for valued non-bloodline individuals probably would not be uncommon since the Star Wars universe does mirror our cultures and histories. However, adoption does not guarantee succession.
Palpatine trusted and respected Tarkin behind Tarkin was the only being in the galaxy that was just as sociopathic as Palpatine was .
But unlike Vader , Sidious knew that he didn't need to fear Tarkin at all because he knew that he could kill Tarkin with a thought .
Anakin / Vader had multiple issues .
Thrawn's main goal was to gain power and protect the Ascendancy .
( and he knew that he could kill Thrawn with just a thought. )
Tarkin was the perfect choice for a political companion .
You may fire when ready.
Why did he trust Tarkin? Because he had a striking resemblance to the phenomenal actor Peter Cushing. EVERYBODY knows Palpatine is an adamant fan of the Hammer horror film series
Yeah, they are both ruthlessly amoral and bloodthirsty psychopaths, so it is no wonder that Sidious and Tarkin got along like two peas in a pod. Plus with Tarkin's non force sensitivity, he was the perfect underling to carry out and implement Sidious's plans to rule and control the galaxy through fear and tyranny.
I don't keep up with all the new stuff, so forgive me if I'm not taking into account certain comics or short stories, etc, but I might just not have seen; but to me his closest association with tarkin made progressively less sense as the story went on, because tarkin himself seemed less and less competent the more stories he was added into.... Back when you're talking about just episode four and maybe some of the initial extra appearances, to me tarkin always came across like a highly competent person who is ultimately hand strong by a dedication to a broken philosophy; His dedication to fascism, of which he had managed to work himself into the upper echelons ultimately fueling the hubris that would be his undoing.
But then it more just became he was borderline competent, if even that, and just happened to be in the right place at the right time to cheat his way up the ladder to the top... And ultimately now it doesn't make sense that the emperor would have someone so totally incompetent in charge of anything, let alone some of the projects he had the most faith in.
A Galactic Empire with Dooku in charge of politics and economics and Tarkin in charge of the entire military would’ve made the Empire succeed. Unfortunately Sidious was just too evil to keep his good subordinates.
Remember when Disney made Tarkin gay? It's not relevant to the video, but it seems to be something that most star wars fans don't know.
They also made Obi Wan gay. 😢
Disney loves to ruin children so they put that crap in everything
Tell me that you are kidding.
@@DEKB47 when?
Why were was rebelion so human and the past seporatist 11:55
Because Tarkin is empty inside, just like Palpatine.
4:07 okay, he was only 19 - AAAHHHHHAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somehow Tarkin Return
He recognized a like minded soul
Sidious should have trusted in his military men in military matters: Vader and Thrawn.
the Emperor probably saw him as a kindred spirit 🤔
A military target!
a lot of plot holes are suposed to exist in in universe. It wouldn't change the course of the plot if they did go back for Aniken's mom but Watto already sold her to that family that freed her. But the the problems wity the jedi was part of the plot . But i under way the Group with a
attachments thats attached ti republic going to war with systems in places the republic has jurusticion of republic in name of republican. .and didnt want indiviaul jedi take on their indivual issues but that's what Obi Wan did . In clone wars series . Its flat out stated Obi had to come alone to not involve the republican in a side war. And Smee was just an avarage slave and buying wouldn't be any change the local system. And the galactic war over issues of republic juristic started .
Satin anthe over Thrown leader and Obi wan alone to fight wity Maul doing the main war. Thats more just contradictory of an organizations nit suposed to attachments being attached to major government. .
. That's flat oprn double standard
And we talk if the jesi should detach from the republic . Be ronins free people where not in snyone's name.
But could Aniken Just leave the order and be a free agent.
Is Tarkin “Uncle Harlo”? Andor
I think he is.
EXecutor or exEcutor? i'm having an internal crisis.
tarkin was also dumb enough to not believe that the death star could have a weakness
If the emperor listened to technocrats and tacticians like Thrawn rather than Tarkin the empire could have been much more efficient.
I wonder if Thrawn made it even closer to the Emperor if he would try to take over. Imagine if Emperor Thrawn made a deal with the rebels to turn the imperial military into his own personal "Imperial expansionary defense fleet" and promised to keep the empire in the unknown regions/ chaos in order to protect the chiss. Similar to how the chiss expansionary defense fleet was not allowed inside the borders of the ascendancy. Here's the fleet compoition I think Thrawn would advocate for. I mean they new republic agreed to keeping the remants in the unkown regions even after they won the war. I feel the rebels would definitely agree to thrawn if he willingly exiled the entire empire before the imperial senate was even disbanded and a full fledged civil war even started. Once they leave this would give time for the new-republic to build up just in case the empire returns once thrawn dies.
1. Keep the venator, acclamator, arquitense light cruiser, the clones, and republic starfighters such as the v-wing until upkeep become more expensive than new designs.
2. Combine separatist, republic, and new imperial technology and tactics into new designs. I understand the tie design due to centralized logistics rather than having different manufacturers. There are benefits to having different pipelines incase of parts issues, especially in a republic that wants to encourage competition, however for a command economy like the empire it does make sense.:
A. Make the tie interceptor the standard tie to act as a point defense ships for carriers, make the tie defender the main long-range patrol and assault starfighter which can extend the range of an imperial fleet. A pair of defenders could likely take out a whole squad of X-wings. Keep the tie bomber but this is the one time I would include another starfighter manufacturer, keeping and upgrading the Y-wing to be a longer range bomber, or develop another type of tie bomber.
B. No death star and instead focus technology on interdictors, and stealth ships like the IPV-2C stealth corvette. Create a new carrier based fleet instead of star destroyers. Focus on shields, point defense, and torpedos and missiles over turbolasers. (But keep some turbolasers since they can be fired indefinitely when missiles run out). Also automate much of the ships tor educe crew requirements.
Fleet example:
1. Imperial class Star Carrier - New design based on venator. Tie interceptors, bombers, and defenders. I would also include a handful of heavy starfighters such as the missile boat thrawn used that was based on the starwing
1-2 Sovereign class cruisers - smaller more efficient star destroyers, I'm thinking a cross between a gladiator, victory, and munificent frigate. Focusing on shields, long range turbolaser/ion cannons, some medium turbolasers, and especially a focus on capital grade torpedo's, missiles, and point defense weaponry of all types: Laser cannons, point defense missiles, flak guns, and ion cannons. This ship is a also capable of orbital bombardment.
1-2 Stardestroyer class frigates - Basically an imperial MC30c. The stardestroyer frigate will focus on speed, maneuverability, missiles, and turbolasers to quickly strafe enemy ships and retreat. similar complement to the cruiser but with less point defense. I like the cluster bombs that the MC30c had.
2 Nebulon-b frigates. Originally an imperial design anyway I will use likely one as a medical ship and one for additional anti-starfighter support. I would add torpedos and point defense missiles as well but not flak because the shells take up so much space.
The empire nationalized CEC so I would include hammerhead corvettes as resupply transports, and create a new gunship based on the lancer, DP20 and raider corvette. Corvettes are a little too big for this role. Their extra space is great for operating on their own for extended periods of times as system patrol ship where a frigate is too expensive and overkill. Small gunships with only enough space or pilots and gunners can be resupplied by the fleet they support. I would have a handful of two different variants 1 focused on anti-starfighter with Lasers and missiles, and one focused on torpedos for anti capital ship warfare. I would name them the "Firestorm class gunship".
If possible I would use a handful of IPV-2c stealth corvette as a torpedo boats but these would be more rare. I would also include interdictors in larger fleets.
Once the acclamator becomes too old I still believe a designated troop transport would be a better use of resources than keeping legions of marines on a star destroyer just sitting around just in case a fleet battle turns into a planetary assault. Keeping the marines on their own designated ships makes sure they are where they are needed.
I would also create patrol ships based on the CEC VCX-100 light freighter and add some additional ion weaponry to disable ships in a policing role. The CR90 would also be good to supplement these and be used as personal transports for high ranking imperials. The quasar carrier would also be great for system patrols and policing. The quasar fractures when moving through hyperspace making it weak for the navy but great as a stationary base for VCX-100 patrol ships and tie-interceptors, or as a starfighter base for independently operating tie-defenders. An independent starfighter corps would work great for the empire to set up in hot-spots where a permanent presence is needed.
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Snoke kinda resembles a bad Tarkin clone
Because Sheev had a thing for cheekbones, okay?
Is that so wrong?
Palpatine was in a sense like Stalin while Tarkin was more akin General Georgy Zhukov.
And that trust was the downfall of his empire.
Making Jedis military generals was a monumentally stupid decision in the first place IF the goal was to win a war. Indeed, the Jedi should have refused it because they were not qualified. But we know the point wasn't to win a war, don't we?
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Cooperation and teamwork are essential to run a military, let a lone an entire galaxy 😂
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Did Tarkin know that Darth Vader was Anakin?