Vader was already planning on killing sidious before his injury’s , in the revenge of the Sith game , if you play as anakin in the final mission , you unlock a ending where anakin kills both obi wan and sidious .
He actually says that in the movie. And again in the Empire Strikes Back. Such became the template for the Sith. Might makes right. Number two craves the power of the top guy and to out do them, and the top guy wanted total power.
@@eds1942That's the way of the Rule of Two Sith. The ancient Sith also craved power, but they weren't tied to the same ideology. Even Plagueis thought the Rule of Two was unnecessary, and to be fair, Palpatine killing him was stupid and meant that the power to control life was lost.
i know one thing: Vader would have been far more terrifying without the suit. Anakin with Sith Eyes glaring from under the cowl of his hood, a snare on his lips, and his Lightsaber fighting style amped up further than its prime on Mustafar would be a frightening thing to see.
No he seriously wouldn't of that's just a regular look of a sith! With the vader helmet and heavy breathing him sitting on a throne in total darkness and all you hear is his breathing is wayyyy scarier.
@@TheemptythroneistakenThats my thought too. The mask and suit were to a degree designed for intimidation. His helmet and mask gives one the same uncertainty as seeing someone wearing dark shades in a room of ppl. You never know if they’re watching you, the person next to you or both.
Anakin at full potential would have been like Vitiate on steroids. Who needs a Death Star when you can just evaporate all life on a planet with the Force alone? Emperor Vader would have become an immortal Force god no doubt.
honestly, what I think would happen is he would only learn about such rituals because he accidentally killed padme on mustafar, and try to use one similar to that used by valkorion in order to attempt to bring padme back to life. as it becomes more obvious what Vader is doing I imagine palpatine would try to stop him and eventually even start planning to have him killed, if only because his insistence on never letting go of padme would eventually be seen as an unfixable flaw in his personality. it would be in response to this that Vader would eventually kill palpatine, because palpatine is now getting in the way of him finding the 1 thing he turned to the dark side to find. Between his addiction to the dark side and the intensity of such a betrayal, I have no doubt Anakin would be able to kill palpatine. from there it would simply be a matter of framing this death in a way that doesn't ostracize him from the reigns of power in coruscant.
@@OrsvikEnnin I don’t think he could beat abaloth though. Also he was not that interested in learning the more ritual, based and hidden most secrets of the force. Sidious was constantly learning, and trying to better himself
not only that but realized the trap of the dark side. until then he blind by dark side and though he was doing right. how ever once he was in suit and padme died he realized he was the bad guy. how ever his anger was too strong he felt to far gone. it took Luke to show him the way out.
Now the question is, if Vader had convinced Padme to join him, killed Palpatine, and then she brought him back to the light. What would a galaxy led by Emperor Anakin and Queen Padme look like?
Just listen him in Revenge of the Sith. He was a lunatic. Having gained ultimate power and being unchecked and being unrivaled, it would’ve fueled all of his negative traits. Padme would have to assume the public face for their Empire,and played the politics cautiously, as to immunize herself against an increasingly unhinged Anakin. She may even come to either be loved or as a puppet by the people. Anakin would soon come to both feared and hated by the public. Anakin wouldn’t be able to square that with his own ineptitude and heavy handedness. It wouldn’t last long. Unless Padme proved to be incredibly intelligent and learned how to play and read Anakin, and had some few from Anakin’s inner circle on her side,.. But one slip and Anakin would’ve removed all of his opponents. Anakin would then have complete rule over the Empire, while seeing the ungrateful, the unruly peasants and traitors everywhere. He would go onto live to a 100, and have none to standby him when it came time, except for maybe a well aged aged Luke or Leia, who would’ve carried on most of their father’s policies. 20 years later, they would have handed it to their child, who would probably have been worse than their grandfather. 20 to 30 years on, the empire would fall to a military regency. After that regent or two died, the empire would either split or collapse. A much diminished new republic would rise to control half of the territory of the former Republic. A small remnant of the Empire would remain. A quarter of the old republic/imperial space would take on their own independent governances. Half of that forming a rough alliances of some form with either the republic or empire. The other half either choosing neutrality or isolation. The rest of the remainder would effectively be lawless. And that would probably be much of the way of things for the next 1,000 years. Plagued by a few major wars a century with ongoing tensions. - No. Anakin needed to fail. Padme needed to reject him and die in such a way that he would blame himself. What happened in the Lucas movies was the only way for things to turn out right.
it would constitutional monarchy with a senate. Anakin as emperor but limited power. of course Anakin rage would not last forever. Palpatine had to push in so down into dark side that he felt like could get out.
Sidious was at least an actual noble and politician. Anakin leading would be like a body builder beating up the President and then trying to fly around the world to beat people up if they didn't do what he wanted.
His grandson was for a moment the leader of the galaxy, and he was pretty bad too. He killed his aunt and Gilad Pellaeon. Edit: I'm referring to Darth Caedus.
Remember. Jacen Solo willingly became the "Eren Yaeger" to guarantee that Darth Krayt's rule of one empire never came to be. As despicable as he was, his actions changed the balance of the future from dark to light. This retconned Krayt's reign, and saved both his daughter and the galaxy from an even worse fate.
Those books were so bad. Legacy of the force is some of the most incoherent behaviour of the EU the whole passage of Jacen and Mara was completely illogical and a crazy reach. Sadly the sequels inspired themself so much from that series.
I doubt the Empire would have been worse under Vader. Why? Well, he wouldn't have the literal Devil constantly whispering dark thoughts into his mind, toying with him, manipulating him, keeping him in a state of perpetual self hatred and anxiety. Vader soon found out in the original timeline that Sidious would constantly try to replace him. He humiliated him and subjugated him, slowly robbing him of more and more of his agency. This Vader wouldn't have that. This might even give him time to reflect and slowly open his mind to the light again since Sidious' dark cloud would be lifted. Now, the first few years? Yeah, brutal. He would go on an imperial campaign. He would wage war on all systems engaged in slavery, indiscriminately slaughtering billions for merely being associated with slavers by dint of existing in the same systems. Strong arming the Senate and effectively declaring himself a dictator? Definitely. He would openly hunt detractors and whilst his power in the Force grows, so to would the chances of standing up to him decrease. By the time of Return of the Jedi, he would be close to a Force god, but not yet one since only a balanced Anakin can become that. But I don't think it would even reach that point. I think Vader might turn to the light much earlier. Simply because he would grow frustrated with Padme's death and would want to understand how she really died. Discovering the truth, he would search for his children and on that journey, he would be forced to face Anakin. Without Sidious in his head, Qui Gon might even be able to commune with him. This journey, without years of manipulation from Sidious might prove fruitful for the Light. But here is why I think the Empire may have been more successful under Vader, in the long term, assuming he remains Vader. For one, he knew that placing massive investment into weapons of mass destruction to the detriment of the imperial military was a mistake. He did not have faith in things like the Death Star projects. He saw them as single points of failure. And he was right. Anakin is not a politician. He doesn't have the subtlety to wield discrete levers of power. However, the Empire largely failed because Sidious structured it in such a way so as to mirror the competition inherent within the Sith order. He also engineered the Empire with the end goal of granting him ultimate power. Now, Vader was a Sith yes, but he was not devoted to the Sith like Sidious. He saw it as a means to an end. In Vader's mind, he was fighting his own righteous cause. He still believed that he was going to "save" the Galaxy. Now, fascist dictators sometimes may believe they are truly saving a country whilst destroying it, but I kind of see Vader as potentially bringing some good. For one, he wouldn't need to siphon the entire Galactic economy to fund his secret weapons of mass destruction. Vader would have invested more into the operations of the Galactic military. He likely would have kept the clone program alive too. He would have eliminated the sluggishness in the Senate and he would have eradicated the various cartels and crime rings because, remember, he might be an authoritarian dictator, but he still believed in some twisted way that he was going to bring "peace, freedom and justice" to his new empire. So as much as he might have hunted and killed democratic rebels, he also would have hunted and killed the various criminal organisations he DESPISED. Another important thing to note is that Vader expected performance and success from those under him. He DESPISED the political moves and machinations of the Moffs, the Senate and the various generals and officers who would try to accomplish imperial goals in order to further their careers at the expense of their colleagues and thus often at the expense of the Empire itself because these people would deliberately sabotage the Empire if it meant they could come out looking like heroes for the Empire. Vader DESPISED Sidious' application of inspiring ruthless competition within the Imperial executive and military branches. Being a former general himself who lead a war and had a successful and effective force under him, Vader would have demanded loyalty and the dedication towards Imperial goals as opposed to "here is a plan, whoever gets it right first gets to sit on my lap". The Empire may just have run more efficiently under Vader since he is more single minded and doesn't have ulterior more vain motives like Sidious. What does this mean for the actual citizens of the Galaxy? Well, they might be technically safer and possibly wealthier in the end but they would be subjugated and stripped of their rights. However, I believe this version of the Empire may have been better equipped to face threats like the Vong and Rebellions that inevitably result in abominations like the New Republic that just can't manage anything.
The Dark Side doesn’t quite work like that though. Once you’ve turned, it no longer needs anyone whispering dark thoughts to you from the outside: you’ll start doing that yourself, from the inside. You’ll become your own inner demon. That is why, when his life was threatened by Yoda, the Emperor’s response basically was “it doesn’t really matter. I made Vader, my work is done”. Hell, if anything, that exchange between Yoda and Palpy all but confirms that a Vader totally untethered from his Master would have become worse than him. Sidious remaining alive, which prevented Vader from fully realizing himself as a Sith Lord, is also what allowed that tiny spark of Anakin to survive. Vader always had his Master reminding him of his pain and misery. He always had someone reminding him that the Dark Side had taken from him way more than it had given.
@@rickblaine9670 No, the Dark Side doesn't need someone to constantly influence you, but it sure as shit helps when you're a slave in all but name. My point is that without Sidious, Vader would become curious about the events on Mustafar and Padme's death. He wouldn't have Sidious manipulating him with Force visions, which is canon, or gaslighting him the whole time. He wouldn't be constantly distracted by Sidious sending him out on errands or distracting him with putting him in charge of x or y operation targeting the rebellion. Vader would have time, finally to reflect and over time this would bring Anakin back. We have to remember, Sidious was constantly in Vader's head, fingering his thoughts, fueling his depression. All I'm saying is that if Sidious were gone, Vader's head would start to become clearer. We also have to remember that all throughout his tenure as a Sith, Sidious had beat a reluctant Vader into submission. It is only during Return of the Jedi that Vader has given himself fully over to Sidious, that he has allowed the Dark Side to take control.
Anakin also had a pre-existing working relationship with Thrawn. Without Sidious and Tarkin pushing so heavily for the Death Star projects Anakin would likely agree to Thrawn's TIE Defender project which is much more economical and practical. In an "ideal" world there could by a Triumvirate of Anakin, Thrawn, and Padme leading the Army, Navy, and Senate respectively, more or less. Anakin would be the supreme leader with Thrawn being the second-highest military authority and Padme handling the political side of things. I feel that Emperor Vader and Thrawn would have their fair share of ideological overlap and would be able to consistently work towards the same goals. They in turn would have their ambitions slightly tempered by Padme while she works with the Senate to make their goals into a reality. While Padme would technically be Empress in this scenario her actual duties would be similar to a Prime Minister in a constitutional monarchy.
Keep in mind, the cannon Vader did the mass killing he did to subordinates because being burned alive and in that suit to keep him alive, he was in constant agony and on the edge of insanity. As full power Anakin, he would not have that, therefore though bathed in the dark side, he would not have the pain and insanity of Vader. Therefore, I do not believe he would be as 'kill-happy' as cannon Vader. Also keep in mind, he would also have Padme and the children to help temper him. Over time, he may not even be pure dark side. He may be a more half a half where he uses the dark side but is not constantly engulfed in it because he has the love of Padme and the children to keep him more grounded. So, he may not be as crazy as your claiming without the influence of Palpatine, and instead influenced by those he loves. Basically, over time becoming actually balanced, even. And if that's the case, this civil war may never take place, because he doesn't do the things you're claiming.
Even Maul develop a sense of love for his brother and sense of loss from losing his night brother clans. When Palpatine wasn't around given him orders, Maul starts to recover his humanity. Force users have telepathic/empathic abilities, Maul hanging around Mandalorian with their pack clan family like loyalty started to sink into Maul's mind set. First time Maul had a sense of community with warrior hunters. Even in legends pre prequel 1990's books, Vader in his own secret command post castles had a very loyal and even relax staff cause they all knew they were/are the best at what they do, they enjoy it, its what the live for. What's more they love it. Went Leia found out about the place, she was shock when the teenagers and base commander told her. The officers had their families station with them, with full nursery. Vader built things with the children. There was proper command level social disciple, but the parents and children were on a Darkside nexus post. A few of them went into Luke's Yavin Jedi academy. Imagine being refer to as Cadet from 5yo to 20yo.
@forickgrimaldus8301 “He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.”
There are some real historical cases we can look at. Vader might have adopted the same strategy Caeusecu did after taking power in Romania. Caeusecu initially liberalised the country a little and gained widespread support by doing so, outmanuvering his opponents in the process. Once his power base was secured, however, Caeusecu showed his true colours and cracked down savagely on all opposition. I believe Beria was trying a similar strategy after the death of Stalin.
...You are seriously comparing Anakin to the likes of Lavrenti Beria or Nicolae Ceaușescu? Okay, no, look. Darth Vader may have been somewhat cracked, but he doesn't come remotely close to the twisted shits Beria and Ceaușescu were like. Vader was ruthless and cold, but his violence had pragmatism and focus. If you put Vader in charge of the Soviet Russia, assholes like Beria, Stalin, Ceaușescu, Mao Zedong and the Kim Dynasty would be the ones getting purged. No crazy insane laws from Vader either.
Facts. He’s getting hit with lightning and saying “I have the power to save the ones you love”. Then a minute later says, together they will discover the secret. It was the biggest bait and switch of all time.
If he could quickly dispatch the remaining Jedi and just be over it. He would be like a tsunami rolling through the universe. Palpatine is one foot in one foot out of peace through the senate vs peace at the edge of a saber. Palpatine loves praise. Anakin/Vader feigns affection. It would be like a blitzkrieg across the galaxy. Plus he would listen to Thrawn and not put all your credits in 1 or 2 baskets JUST to be like " look at me. I'm so powerful " it's like. We know , dude. We have VHS tapes of Nihilus. Lol. Anyway. That's my rant. ✌️
Yeah Anakin would have conquered not just the known galaxy but much if not all of the unknown regions and due to Thrawn being one of Anakins advisors, the Chiss would have probably bent the knee too. People think sidious was super powerful? Anakin at full power would have made sidious look like a child. Full power Anakin (As Palpatine said he will become more powerful than both of us to Yoda) would probably be able to rip entire fleets of ships apart using the Force, Seeing not just potential futures but the actual Future, his Force Lightning would devistate planets with a mere thought, Sidious Feared Vader in his Suit imagine if he wasn't? (He had double the force potential of Yoda) With full mobility and tapping into his full range of emotions not just pain and hatred but also love and lust, joy and happiness! Anakin was said to be so fast with his blade it looked as if he was surrounded by the light of the blade, Sidious would be dead faster than he could raise his hand to shoot lightning or summon a blade to defend himself.
@reaper7939 dude it would be like when Ray destroyed allll those empire ships. Except! Anakin would do it with real purpose. Not just a one off. Barely pulled it off and got lucky and couldn't do it again kind of way. If Vader had his pod to reach out in the force? C'moooon
The superweapons were actually good policy for the Empire, no matter how many resources the Empire put into conventional weaponry it would not win them the war because it was simply impossible to garrison the entire galaxy simultaneously. Psychological control was far more important. Tarkin was the better tyrant & governor, Thrawn was better at conventional destruction of the enemy but worse at the demoralization & oppression elements of war & rule. What lost the Empire was Palpatine's death. If not it would have at best for the Rebellion been a forever war. Anakin would be a conqueror & absolutely the most powerful force user but he does not have the eye for politics & manipulation of Palpatine. I think the Empire might actually struggle much harder. It would ultimately survive & come out on top but I think it would be far less efficient under Anakin.
@pubcle I agree to a degree. The only thing I would say is. .. " I find your lack of faith in the force..disturbing.." lol. I do think at the end of the day it's power that wins the day. Because the jedi basically worship " goodness " or " knowledge " or " democracy " or whatever. But the Sith are all about that BASS, no treble... UNLIMITED POWAAAHH!!!!
@@alexerhardt4407 Long term Anakin would probably dominate just through sheer force if we're talking a fully realized Anakin but it would be a much more grueling & fractious process with very weak management until that point. If Tarkin is still around & Vader does keep him as council that could mitigate most of the issues, Tarkin was basically groomed for leadership by Palpatine since his early career & was a prime architect of the Empire. He'd be able to greatly assist in a lot of the politicking & managing the governors & military officers. Tarkin would be less pleased with Vader seeing him as wasteful & worse at the games but Tarkin is ultimately loyal to his ideal of a galaxy ruled by fear to ensure security & order more than his own family or life. So long as Anakin continues that path of putting the galaxy to the 'correct order' Tarkin will have little hesitance. With Tarkin the other moffs are kept in line. Note Palpatine's absence would still greatly damage some of the projects, manipulation, & management of the Empire but if anyone could keep it together in his absence it was Tarkin. Vader being the open tyrant would be very different to Palpatine as well, Palpatine's approach was closer to Stalin's tyranny, the strong dark father figure fanatically loved & feared. Vader's approach would lack the subtlety or finesse, the cult of personality. It would be much more brutalist & direct which would cause problems, though he can still use external conflict to mitigate some of them going on a conquest campaign into the Unknown Regions.
If Anakin became Emperor with now his knowledge of both Jedi and Sith, Light and Dark he would be the true physical force to reestablish balance, but since Vader is a mad dog without a leash then the balance would still be tilting after what Plagueis and Sidious did.
Plus, given that Anakin had experienced nothing but hardships within the Jedi Order combined with his traumas growing up as a slave, this could make Anakin pretty ruthless as Emperor.
@@tunebeat3809 I would say he would like Valkorian when taking over, but operate just like Malgus. Using power to establish his rule while being ruthless when there’s opposition.
I think uncrippled Vader would be less aggressive in his negotiations than suited Vader. I also think he would have retained his belief in justice if palpatine hadn't pushed him so far to the dark. I imagine Vader would be all about preservation of order. Need of the many type mentality That's why Vader is compelling, because his intentions were noble But absolute power corrupted absolutely (until ROJ anyway)
Well... old palps is cunning, usually calm and almost purely follows logic while Anakin can be emotionally driven and impulsive. Palpatine wouldn't do something that would destroy an entire plan... anakin on the other hand may turn on the spot.
If Vader had become the emperor jabber the hutt and the rest of the hutts would been wiped off the face of the galaxy and the moffs would be put into there place and would not talk down to Vader
I think one thing that would be a big determining factor would be if he learned at all to use the force more so than his blade. Part of the reason Dooku always wooped him during the clone wars is he very rarely ever fought him with the force which I think he could have overwhelmed him with. Like stated in the video it was always a "lightsaber solution" and Anakin never learned this. Even after showing his power over the son and the daughter on Mortis he immediately forgets about it and tries to fight the son after this with his blade. All of this to say that if someone with his power were to use force suggestion/influence as the emperor I think he wouldn't have much of a problem as full Power Vader/Anakin would be tough I think for even the strongest of wills to resist. He needs a page or two from Exar Kuun's manual.
Lol can you imagine: Tenebrous -> Plagueis -> Sidious spend a literal century building up intricate networks, financial and political power, they nearly abandon physical combat entirely, working to literally own the Galaxy through cunning. And in comes Anakin, the guy that famously dislikes diplomacy and patience, waving his lightsaber around any chance he gets and bonking people over the head when they say stuff he doesnt like 😂 I empathize with the guy, but he is literally one of the worst successors to the dark throne you can imagine, he HATES political minutiae, he is a conqueror, not an emperor! I think you are spot on in your analogy: He would have caused a civil war.
I am now picturing Anakin Skywalker in the House of the Dragon, replacing Aegon II. Otto Hightower: My grandson is an idi-! (Force Choking noises) Anakin Skywalker: An idiot with the Force. Be careful not to choke on your vile ambitions... you oversized bantha poodoo. Criston Cole: Uh... your grace? Anakin Skywalker: Shouldn't you be fucking my so-called mother? Piss off while I lecture my so-called grandfather. Frankly, in such a scenario, Anakin would probably just make Rhaenyra queen because she's the rightful heir by succession and hasn't done anything wrong thus far, and kill Aemond if he objects. But the idea is just too hilarious. XD
I love your content! Thank you so much for the effort you put into making these videos! Since you are currently making videos regarding powerful force users, such as sidious, plaguies, etc, can you make a tier list where you rank these powerful force users, such as sidious, yoda, Vader, etc? Thank you!
Anakin Skywalker, the conundrum of being needy for approval for being the chosen one and yet being let down by teachers , experience plus influence till the effect of being a balance of light and dark , ying and yang was lost on him in his journey. Oh well, such is life. A most tragic tale indeed .
Emperor Vader on his own was a bad idea. However Emperor Vader and Empress Amidala would have created a glorious empire with the Empress tempering the Emperor's baser instincts
Indeed. Frankly, Padmé wouldn't betray Anakin right off the bat. I could only see Padmé betraying him if he went full Palpatine or started killing planets just for flex (I could see him purging worlds that engage in slavery, but blowing up planets with little provocation? Not Vader's style).
If Padme didnt die he wouldn’t have remained in the dark side. As soon as palpatine was dead his visions of her dying would end and he wouldn’t need the dark side. Anakin wasnt evil for evil’s sake, he just wanted his family
As Emperor, I think Vader would have the support of his military cronies. Tarkin would likely join him, Yuleran, and so would Thrawn, having met Anakin during the war. I could see him forming a council of such individuals to aid him in the political, and military side, he would still need to be careful though, such ambitious men would lead to many ambitious schemes. As for his Force potential, it is unclear if he would seek out greater Sith knowledge to increase his abilities, Anakin was not an academic, and if he was anything like he was in the main timeline, he would not spend time going through books and holocrons. I think he would try to rule, not as a Sith, but a dark side juggernaut, a hammer rather than a scalpel. In such a timeline I could see a fallen Jedi picking up where Palpatine left off, maybe reforming the Sith as an enemy of Anakin. Which would likely result in a free for all style war. Republic loyalists, Sith cultists, remaining Jedi, and who knew who else against Anakin's war machine.
This video was a giant what if. It wasn't the first time this has been done and I'm sure it won't be the last time either. Plenty of lore to cover instead of the what if videos that appear occasionally.
As unlikely as it would be for Anakin, could you do the following what if scenario: What if Anakin had a moment of clarity to understand he need Palpetine to teach him all the ways of the Dark Side and how to be an effective politician before killing him? I think it would be facilitating to look into. Please consider. Thank you.
Blasphemy! He brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new Empire! Edit: I think Padmé would spent the few few to five years of Vader’s reign to influence him and do her best for the galaxy. Once she gave up or saw he was too far gone/cutting too many moral corners (even if he stopped the killing at Palpatine alone) then she’d support Bail Organa’s secret rebellion
I think you're giving Anakin way too much credit here. Remember that this is the guy who wrecked who only knows how many star destroyers in the Anoat System asteroid field trying to catch one little freighter in a gambit that ultimately failed in every respect. He's impulsive, rejects sound advice, and prone to Force Choking people for not doing what he wants. In this kind of climate, the Rebellion would have grown *much* larger and faster than it did under Palpatine. The military and the Senate would quickly become concerned about Anakin's actual behavior in contrast to his public image. Plus, once he really started to crack down, the public would inevitably wonder if the "saintly" Chancellor Palpatine's murder happened because the alleged Jedi conspiracy against the Senate was actually led by Anakin all along. Remember, people loved Palpatine too - in the beginning.
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I think Palpatine would’ve attempted to take Anakin’s body and therefore his power. He knew the secret to essence transfer from Darth Undedu’s Holocron. That’s why his clone was perfect. He wanted to break Skywalker’s will which he did but it would’ve been absolutely destroyed had he defeated Obi Wan. The destruction of his body made him weaker and no longer useful as a vessel.
I don't know, Sidious' lust for political power proved to be the end of the Empire. He divested the Galactic and the military economies towards single points of failure; the Death Star projects. He cancelled the Clone program and replaced it with an objectively inferior military composition and architecture, including the inspiration of ruthless competition between operatives. Sidious strangled the Galaxy so that he could be king of the ash-heep. He could have eliminated all the cartels and crime rings that siphoned the economy and prevented people from being able to contribute to it. Vader was a general during an intense war. He knew how to win a war. So that is covered. Sidious wanted to be worshipped and that is why he was careful with the way he used power. Vader doesn't care about that. He is on a mission and you're either in or you're out. Vader had a direction for the galaxy that in his mind didn't revolve around him. He saw himself as being necessary for the Galaxy. Sidious saw the Galaxy as his sandpit. Basically: Sidious is Kim Jung Un but smarter and Vader is Joseph Stalin. Both are dictators. Both have a vain ego. But one is a self-agrandizing king who wants love and attention, even the illusion of it whilst the other, whilst brutal and ultimately irrational and self centered is fanatical. Lastly, it appears that Sidious is good at attaining power, but seems short-sighted, funny enough, when he has it. Kind of like a kid who works really hard and saves a lot of money to buy his first car and then promptly rams it into a tree.
@@julianmcmillan2867I’d also like to mention that Vader seemed to have a low opinion of the Death Star even in the original film where he mocked the ability to instantaneously destroy a planet as being insignificant compared to the Force.
I’m a add a different option, I say Anakin, especially if Padama is still alive, he falls back on the light side because love is stronger than his desire for power. He remembers being a salve and doesn’t want to be seen by Padme’ as condoning those kinds of actions. He starts listening to her advice and that of other around him. He becomes a wise and way less rash ruler. Darth Anakin the wise, Sith Lord of light, he who brought real peace to the galaxy.
The TH-cam channel Fantasy Folklore actually does a cool video going over a theoretical timeline where Anakin and Padme are both force sensitives and took over the empire. Very similar to this video's depiction of Anakin's empire.
the thing is, he actually became a sith to help people, I don’t doubt he would indeed be ruthless, but do it for what he thought to be the greater good, not just for power, power was a means to an end for hime
Brother, every time you do these, i wish Disney had given you the job they keep giving people who dont actually like Star Wars. This would make for an amazing trilogy.
My impression from Revenge of the Sith was that until Vader’s “accident”, Siddious had every intention of continuing the Rule of Two, training Vader as his successor, and eventually being killed. He was bragging to Yoda that one day, Vader would be stronger than both of them. Then Vader level-capped himself, so Siddious had to change his plan. In Dark Empire, he convinced Luke to come to the Dark Side by telling him that he’d learn how to defeat Siddious himself. The best outcome of either scenario was always a Skywalker on the throne. Though, both Anakin and Luke had some amount of Jedi training. I think Siddious would have done better kidnapping Leia and breaking her will before training.
Could you do a What-If scenario of this please? You're so intelligent with your analysis and information that I'd love to hear your voice doing a series of What-Ifs. You'd be extremely good at it.
One of the things i always wondered is: Was Palpatine always sure he could keep control over Anakin even if the incident on Mustafar never occured? We all know the true power and skills of Palpatine with a light saber. But Anakins's powers were ever growing over time. Did the dark lord have a contingency plan to keep his apprentice in check? I believe It would be interesting if you could explore this idea in a future video. Thank you in advance for taking my request into consideration.
There's something to question when it comes to "unburnt" Vader, would this version of Anakin be the same? Alot of the Vader we know came from his maiming, and the torture chamber of a suit he was confined to, along with Palpatines "lessons" which more often than not including additional injury and insult. All of those factors drove Vader into more and more rageful state, akin to a rabid, tortured animal. This Vader though would be free of those, shall we say impulses. This Vader would mostly be driven by his sense of "justice" and hunger for power, particularly preventing or reversing death. I think, we're more likely to end up with something akin to Tenebrae/Vitiate during his Zakuul period - somewhat disinterested in politics and ruling, simply seeking further power for the sake of power and control. But that's just my two pennies.
"I've become more powerful than the chancellor, I could overthrow him!" 100% confirms he was planning on turning on Palpatine even before his injuries.
Emperor Vader unlike Palps wouldn't have any of the sadism or obsession with subjugating the galaxy. He'd be singlemindedly crushing everyone who perpeuated the systems he despised. An emperor leading from the front rather than the shadows, a force of violent control that will make the galaxy match his vision without morals or remorse. Cold ruthless logic to rule the galaxy with a durasteel fist
I'm not sure if he would still keep the name Vader since if he managed to get rid of Sidious, he wouldn't be under that guy's thumb. He might not be reclaimed by the Jedi Code but I also suspect that he wouldn't care that much about Sith tradition either. Part of accepting a name change was accepting that the other person has great influence over you and your life. By arranging for Sidious' death(so soon, not needing his help to keep Padme alive), he's effectively rejecting the name change. So he might meet bare minimum requirements for being a Sith or a Jedi, but unable to embrace either(at least initially) if Padme agreed to join him.
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I have seen a few videos saying Anakin's weakness was his love for the people, that he was driven by his need to protect everyone around him, even his clone soldiers. I think that without Palpatine messing with his mind, he would be a heavy handed emperor but I don't think he would become the monster this video suggests. I think Padme would be there to temper his more rash impulses and he would listen to her because he loves her so much.
Yes but those warriors that governed weren't meatheads. They were very intelligent. Not saying Anakin was a meat head but he was definitely hot headed and lacked discipline. If Qui Gon was his master then he would have found balance within himself.
The really terrifying thing would be what Vader would learn from the ancient Sith. As Traya states, eve in that era, they are children compared to the old masters. It is noted that the ancient Sith hated Palpatine's fascination with the Jedi and his alternate tactics but Vader would be more in line with their line of thinking. The old conflict being his arrogant and childish view of things but thsoe Sith would try to manipulate that to their advantage or at least view him as a more worthy inheritor of the Sith legacy than Palpatine. Anakin would follow his passions, just as the Sith code dictates. Who knows what he could learn from the right hollocrons? Many of them were held by the Jedi so Darth Bane's Rule Of Two lineage would not have access to them and if he did find Bane's hollocron or one from a Sith, later in that era that had even more knowledge, then he would become an almost unprecedented scholor of the dark side of the force. Yes, Palpatine had similar access but his body is old and weak compared to the chosen one so Anakin could have time to learn using this mix of knowledge, so long as his empire lasted. With the right knowledge thought, he could potentially use his power as the chosen one to be more of a threat than Nihilus or Palpatine was in the comics. Yeah, if Palpatine tried essence transfer, um that would not end well. He'd either fail or end up like Orochimaru having the ritual turned on him by Sasuke.
I imagine that Palpatine had to have been an organizational genius. When you hear about the abundance of massive projects, programs, and campaigns, it’s insane what he achieved in a short time.
Palpatine was way smarter than Vader so while an authoritarian, he understood how to govern at least a modicum of efficiently. Vader would've just tried to crush everyone who gave him a little pushback and the peasantry would've started rebelling way earlier than they did and would've gained a lot more strength quicker.
Here's an interesting idea. Since He mainly committed to the Dark side to "Save Padme". What If He "discovered" that the Padme thing was just a ruse from Sidious, and He just decides to kill Sidious, or let Windu kill Him in the tower, all without harming the Younglings or remaining Jedi. Then He might be able to return to the light considering He wouldn't have lost everything at that point, and might be able to redeem Himself. Would make things a lot better if He kills Sidious before Order 66, that way it's more likely for things to somewhat return to normal. That way the Jedi don't get killed off, and they might be able to get a new Chancellor who could negotiate some kind of peace deal Between them and the remaining members of the Separatists, by also using the fact Palpatine played both sides as a reason why it all began...
His success wiuld largely depend on how conpletely he gained control of the clone army. He may have assumed control of the droid army as well, since that only didn't happen for appearances' sake.
Considering that Anakin at full potential would have made Sidious and Yoda look like children, it would have been a monster or force of nature set loose on the galaxy. I think the comparison to Vitiate is pretty good. That's assuming he stays evil of course. Without Palpatine around he might flip back a bit especially if Padme and his kids are around.
Darth Vader: Is that Peach Cobbler? I ASKED FOR BANANA PUDDING! Imperial Cook: *Neck snaps* Darth Vader: Hello Padme. Sorry you had to see that. Let’s watch Space Balls. I think that’s how it would all go down.
Had the Death Star plans still made its way into rebel hands, the ultra violent civil war would have erupted into so many frontlines, the rebellion would have accumulated/sacrificed everything they had to speed-construct one with time in some far away galactic corner. Once the super rebel moon base had been revealed, so does Mon Mothma openly announce whom she really was, sitting on the throne, associated by a traitorous Padmé answering to her. Luke would have to still destroy it, and ultimately face against his own mother to save his father, his sister, and many Imperial citizens from being obliterated as the Rebellion’s final resort towards winning.
I think this ignores the good still in him though. His turn to the dark side was not unprovoked, as he was being manipulated by palpatine, and had the motivation of saving those he loved. With Palpatine no longer there, his family still in tact, and his limbs still attached, what anger would he have to keep him in the dark side? Maybe just the fear of loss? But even that fear is still rooted in love, so he might have just turned to the light sooner.
Well to be honest if Anakin was emperor he likely would have been kinder than Palpatine no mass enslavement, he would have likely either scrapped the Death Star or at least refused to use it on a heavily populated planet like Alderron. I'm not sure why you think Vader would be crueler than Sidious at first he disagreed with many of his policies like enslaving others...
In this video is not about darth vader in cibernetics it's about unburned anakin with training of sidious i think that had anakin killed obi wan sidious would have teached him even teaching his master methods of couse he wouldn't have teached him about immortality becouse he didn't knew about essence transfer but i'm sure that if anakin exceded sidious then he would have likely killed him for power even when he was in his suit even sidious had to control him this time would be diffrent with palpatine dead and nobody to stop him he would have do what he always did war and anakin on his full power without being limited by sidious would be like tsunami that drowns anything across his path he wouldn't have needed death star to kill entire armies his sheer power alone would be enough to kill any army when he is on front lines he wouldn't have needed army becouse he himself would be one army man he would have been much more violent and brutal than sidious he wouldn't negotiate he would attack his enemies and kill anyone that stood in his way. While i agree anakin would have cared about his family if they went in his way for power he wouldn't have problems with killing them
I could POSSIBLY see Anakin actually dialing it down a little for two reasons: First, Padmé wouldn't just betray him, she'd try to get through to him; if not to restore democracy (because at this point it's basically nonexistent thanks to Palpatine), then to at very least not go full Force Choke on everyone. I'm assuming in this scenario, Anakin just knocked Padmé out rather than Force Choking her before fighting Obi-Wan. Second is Ahsoka. I doubt Anakin would just want to kill Ahsoka on sight, which would give her the chance to talk some calm into him. I could also see Rex coming back to "General Skywalker" once he learns Anakin is in charge now. Remember that most of Darth Vader's poor impulse control came from losing to Obi-Wan in Mustafar AND losing Padmé and his children. So, Emperor Vader in this scenario is, technically speaking, in a better place emotionally. And at this point, save for the scraps of the Jedi Order left hiding about, Anakin would have no "enemies" to aim his rage at save at the Separatist Holdouts (those would have to be dealt with one way or another) and the Hutt Cartels, Zygerrian Slavers and other criminal syndicates (only corrupt senators would defend those). Once THOSE were done with, his anger would basically peter out and would only emerge at specific moments (say, sociopolitical or economical matters where one side is causing trouble, like we see Darth Vader do in Legends every now and then). Personally, with all the stress points that caused him to go over the edge gone (Obi-Wan, Jedi Order, Palpatine, the Separatists and Padmé's impending death), I think Anakin would take few hours to sit down, take a deep breath, catch up on his sleep (this poor bastard was insomniac through the whole ROTS plot, no wonder he cracked!) and then think on where to go from now. He wouldn't go back to the easygoing plucky Anakin from TCW, but he wouldn't become the broken shell hate-filled Darth Vader either. I think that, at this point, the Galactic Empire would become akin to the Roman Empire; the senate would remain, and Anakin-as-Emperor would hold ultimate authority over the military while the Senate would essentially be forced to carry out the bureaucratic and economic parts of governing according to his desire rather than their personal intrigues. Ironically, the would-be Rebel Alliance could essentially take on the role of making the senate capitulate while convincing Anakin not to go overboard. Basically a soft "Great Crusade Era-Imperium of Man" in the Horus Heresy. I don't think Padmé could stomach outright betraying Anakin for years, she'd take the role of "silk glove" to try rein in his "iron fist". I could also see Emperor Anakin going for the Eternal Empire route. No more Jedi or Sith, but a new order of Force Sensitives that would keep the peace and order actively rather than just medidate and debate nonstop. Ahsoka would be his Praetorian, so to speak, and I could see other former Jedi who had doubts about the Order like Jerec and even Quinlan Vos joining him. Anakin didn't issue Order 66, after all, Palpatine did; he'd basically issue a pardon to any Jedi who forsook the Jedi Code and submitted to the new order. The upside to Emperor Anakin is that, unlike Palpatine, he would be way less obsessed with immortality (Anakin wants to stop people he loves from dying out of their time, not to avoid or eliminate death altogether) and abusing power for its own sake. Anakin would be the ultimate Totalitarian Utilitarian, demanding the Senate, Imperial corporations and the military do their job of providing for Imperial citizens OR ELSE. Frankly, save for rebellions, you wouldn't see the Empire intentionally making things difficult for the common man to please some political agenda. Think Doctor Doom's Latveria. The funny part of this scenario is that the likes of Tarkin and Isard would be in a VERY tense situation. Anakin is a man of action, he doesn't like sycophants and would also demand that the Imperial Military do things by HIS standards, not THEIRS. So no Death Stars, no COMPNOR, and _definitely_ no slavery. They would also have to be VERY careful not to upset the Emperor's wife or children. XD
It’s so weird for them to have Anakin defend Palpatine so heavily when the Jedi asks him to spy on him. Even calling him a mentor and friend, to then talking about overthrowing him. It gave me harder whiplash than Anakin being a Jedi one moment, to being okay with k¡lling kids the next. Yes, I know people love to go over quotes and explanations, constantly jumping through hoops or bending over backward to explain these things… but the plain simple truth is, and always will be… it was just Bad Writing. *PERIOD*
'We know that he has several working relationships with senators'
One of which was a bit too friendly
Wdym "Bit too friendly"? She is a Senator, and I am a Jedi. We totally aren't married.
@@AnakinSkywalker_has_Padme thís is where the fun begins
emm padme b lookin fine anakin is it okay i ask her out to smoke soem death sticks
@@AnakinSkywalker_has_Padme I never said which senator it is
Could be Jar Jar Binks
Ngl I've only ever see him having relationships with 2 politicians
@@NoahLodell-nk8nj Jar Jar and Bail Organa?
He would have eliminated planets with the most sand
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Jakku and Tatooine are cooked
Lol now If thats the case, he definitely found the lack of sand.........disturbing 😂
At the end the sand would have killed him
“…I destroyed all of them, and not just the sand planets! But the lava ones too!”
Vader was already planning on killing sidious before his injury’s , in the revenge of the Sith game , if you play as anakin in the final mission , you unlock a ending where anakin kills both obi wan and sidious .
Good reference!
He actually says that in the movie. And again in the Empire Strikes Back. Such became the template for the Sith. Might makes right. Number two craves the power of the top guy and to out do them, and the top guy wanted total power.
Dude i think about that cutscene all the time! Id love a series of what-ifs in Star Wars. Or any of my fav media for that matter 😂
@@eds1942That's the way of the Rule of Two Sith. The ancient Sith also craved power, but they weren't tied to the same ideology. Even Plagueis thought the Rule of Two was unnecessary, and to be fair, Palpatine killing him was stupid and meant that the power to control life was lost.
Not to mention Anakin even mentioned similar to Padme.
i know one thing: Vader would have been far more terrifying without the suit. Anakin with Sith Eyes glaring from under the cowl of his hood, a snare on his lips, and his Lightsaber fighting style amped up further than its prime on Mustafar would be a frightening thing to see.
No he seriously wouldn't of that's just a regular look of a sith! With the vader helmet and heavy breathing him sitting on a throne in total darkness and all you hear is his breathing is wayyyy scarier.
@@TheemptythroneistakenThats my thought too. The mask and suit were to a degree designed for intimidation. His helmet and mask gives one the same uncertainty as seeing someone wearing dark shades in a room of ppl. You never know if they’re watching you, the person next to you or both.
Anakin at full potential would have been like Vitiate on steroids. Who needs a Death Star when you can just evaporate all life on a planet with the Force alone? Emperor Vader would have become an immortal Force god no doubt.
Without the psychopath trait in Skywalker
He wouldn't, he was too stupid and unstable for that
honestly, what I think would happen is he would only learn about such rituals because he accidentally killed padme on mustafar, and try to use one similar to that used by valkorion in order to attempt to bring padme back to life. as it becomes more obvious what Vader is doing I imagine palpatine would try to stop him and eventually even start planning to have him killed, if only because his insistence on never letting go of padme would eventually be seen as an unfixable flaw in his personality.
it would be in response to this that Vader would eventually kill palpatine, because palpatine is now getting in the way of him finding the 1 thing he turned to the dark side to find. Between his addiction to the dark side and the intensity of such a betrayal, I have no doubt Anakin would be able to kill palpatine.
from there it would simply be a matter of framing this death in a way that doesn't ostracize him from the reigns of power in coruscant.
@@OrsvikEnnin I don’t think he could beat abaloth though. Also he was not that interested in learning the more ritual, based and hidden most secrets of the force.
Sidious was constantly learning, and trying to better himself
what a rediculous overestimation of anakin...
Being a warrior I think Vader would be a conqueror if he had control. Crushing and taking anything and everything in his way.
Anakin the Conqueror. Damn. I like it.
I like it a lot. Potential comic / book if it hasn’t been done already
Ok dork.
@@tyrone1544go wank to Disney
@@SpaceViking2000yep. It’s been done in real like. Ghenghis Khan
Anakin being burned forced him to be humbled without the suit would just be even more cocky
Its hard to be when its burned off
not only that but realized the trap of the dark side. until then he blind by dark side and though he was doing right. how ever once he was in suit and padme died he realized he was the bad guy. how ever his anger was too strong he felt to far gone. it took Luke to show him the way out.
Man who burned from waist down never feel cocky. -Made up ancient proverb
@@chiquita683 hard to be what?
@@rickacton7540”cock-y”
Now the question is, if Vader had convinced Padme to join him, killed Palpatine, and then she brought him back to the light. What would a galaxy led by Emperor Anakin and Queen Padme look like?
I feel like that's what would most likely happen. Padme is the only one I can see Anakin listening to. Unless she joins him in the dark side.
Padme wouldn't be ok with being Queen of a Galactic empire. She would do her best to uphold and maybe revise the Senete.
Empress lol
Just listen him in Revenge of the Sith. He was a lunatic. Having gained ultimate power and being unchecked and being unrivaled, it would’ve fueled all of his negative traits.
Padme would have to assume the public face for their Empire,and played the politics cautiously, as to immunize herself against an increasingly unhinged Anakin. She may even come to either be loved or as a puppet by the people. Anakin would soon come to both feared and hated by the public. Anakin wouldn’t be able to square that with his own ineptitude and heavy handedness.
It wouldn’t last long.
Unless Padme proved to be incredibly intelligent and learned how to play and read Anakin, and had some few from Anakin’s inner circle on her side,.. But one slip and Anakin would’ve removed all of his opponents.
Anakin would then have complete rule over the Empire, while seeing the ungrateful, the unruly peasants and traitors everywhere. He would go onto live to a 100, and have none to standby him when it came time, except for maybe a well aged aged Luke or Leia, who would’ve carried on most of their father’s policies. 20 years later, they would have handed it to their child, who would probably have been worse than their grandfather. 20 to 30 years on, the empire would fall to a military regency. After that regent or two died, the empire would either split or collapse. A much diminished new republic would rise to control half of the territory of the former Republic. A small remnant of the Empire would remain. A quarter of the old republic/imperial space would take on their own independent governances. Half of that forming a rough alliances of some form with either the republic or empire. The other half either choosing neutrality or isolation. The rest of the remainder would effectively be lawless. And that would probably be much of the way of things for the next 1,000 years. Plagued by a few major wars a century with ongoing tensions.
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No. Anakin needed to fail. Padme needed to reject him and die in such a way that he would blame himself. What happened in the Lucas movies was the only way for things to turn out right.
it would constitutional monarchy with a senate. Anakin as emperor but limited power. of course Anakin rage would not last forever. Palpatine had to push in so down into dark side that he felt like could get out.
Sidious was at least an actual noble and politician. Anakin leading would be like a body builder beating up the President and then trying to fly around the world to beat people up if they didn't do what he wanted.
Ah yes because jedi were bodybuilders.
Isn't that what Palpatine did?
@@woden_arbosaCompared to most Jedi, Anikan is known for his ferocity and battle hunger.
@@woden_arbosado you know who Anakin is?
A noble politician that orchestrated a war?
His grandson was for a moment the leader of the galaxy, and he was pretty bad too. He killed his aunt and Gilad Pellaeon.
Edit: I'm referring to Darth Caedus.
Aka Jacen Solo from the Legends Continuity.
Remember. Jacen Solo willingly became the "Eren Yaeger" to guarantee that Darth Krayt's rule of one empire never came to be. As despicable as he was, his actions changed the balance of the future from dark to light. This retconned Krayt's reign, and saved both his daughter and the galaxy from an even worse fate.
Those books were so bad. Legacy of the force is some of the most incoherent behaviour of the EU the whole passage of Jacen and Mara was completely illogical and a crazy reach. Sadly the sequels inspired themself so much from that series.
With Darth Vader as Emperor, the level of FEAR would increase even further.
I doubt the Empire would have been worse under Vader. Why? Well, he wouldn't have the literal Devil constantly whispering dark thoughts into his mind, toying with him, manipulating him, keeping him in a state of perpetual self hatred and anxiety. Vader soon found out in the original timeline that Sidious would constantly try to replace him. He humiliated him and subjugated him, slowly robbing him of more and more of his agency. This Vader wouldn't have that. This might even give him time to reflect and slowly open his mind to the light again since Sidious' dark cloud would be lifted. Now, the first few years? Yeah, brutal. He would go on an imperial campaign. He would wage war on all systems engaged in slavery, indiscriminately slaughtering billions for merely being associated with slavers by dint of existing in the same systems. Strong arming the Senate and effectively declaring himself a dictator? Definitely. He would openly hunt detractors and whilst his power in the Force grows, so to would the chances of standing up to him decrease. By the time of Return of the Jedi, he would be close to a Force god, but not yet one since only a balanced Anakin can become that. But I don't think it would even reach that point.
I think Vader might turn to the light much earlier. Simply because he would grow frustrated with Padme's death and would want to understand how she really died. Discovering the truth, he would search for his children and on that journey, he would be forced to face Anakin. Without Sidious in his head, Qui Gon might even be able to commune with him. This journey, without years of manipulation from Sidious might prove fruitful for the Light.
But here is why I think the Empire may have been more successful under Vader, in the long term, assuming he remains Vader. For one, he knew that placing massive investment into weapons of mass destruction to the detriment of the imperial military was a mistake. He did not have faith in things like the Death Star projects. He saw them as single points of failure. And he was right. Anakin is not a politician. He doesn't have the subtlety to wield discrete levers of power. However, the Empire largely failed because Sidious structured it in such a way so as to mirror the competition inherent within the Sith order. He also engineered the Empire with the end goal of granting him ultimate power. Now, Vader was a Sith yes, but he was not devoted to the Sith like Sidious. He saw it as a means to an end. In Vader's mind, he was fighting his own righteous cause. He still believed that he was going to "save" the Galaxy. Now, fascist dictators sometimes may believe they are truly saving a country whilst destroying it, but I kind of see Vader as potentially bringing some good.
For one, he wouldn't need to siphon the entire Galactic economy to fund his secret weapons of mass destruction. Vader would have invested more into the operations of the Galactic military. He likely would have kept the clone program alive too. He would have eliminated the sluggishness in the Senate and he would have eradicated the various cartels and crime rings because, remember, he might be an authoritarian dictator, but he still believed in some twisted way that he was going to bring "peace, freedom and justice" to his new empire. So as much as he might have hunted and killed democratic rebels, he also would have hunted and killed the various criminal organisations he DESPISED.
Another important thing to note is that Vader expected performance and success from those under him. He DESPISED the political moves and machinations of the Moffs, the Senate and the various generals and officers who would try to accomplish imperial goals in order to further their careers at the expense of their colleagues and thus often at the expense of the Empire itself because these people would deliberately sabotage the Empire if it meant they could come out looking like heroes for the Empire. Vader DESPISED Sidious' application of inspiring ruthless competition within the Imperial executive and military branches. Being a former general himself who lead a war and had a successful and effective force under him, Vader would have demanded loyalty and the dedication towards Imperial goals as opposed to "here is a plan, whoever gets it right first gets to sit on my lap". The Empire may just have run more efficiently under Vader since he is more single minded and doesn't have ulterior more vain motives like Sidious.
What does this mean for the actual citizens of the Galaxy? Well, they might be technically safer and possibly wealthier in the end but they would be subjugated and stripped of their rights. However, I believe this version of the Empire may have been better equipped to face threats like the Vong and Rebellions that inevitably result in abominations like the New Republic that just can't manage anything.
This right here is amazing.
The Dark Side doesn’t quite work like that though. Once you’ve turned, it no longer needs anyone whispering dark thoughts to you from the outside: you’ll start doing that yourself, from the inside. You’ll become your own inner demon. That is why, when his life was threatened by Yoda, the Emperor’s response basically was “it doesn’t really matter. I made Vader, my work is done”.
Hell, if anything, that exchange between Yoda and Palpy all but confirms that a Vader totally untethered from his Master would have become worse than him. Sidious remaining alive, which prevented Vader from fully realizing himself as a Sith Lord, is also what allowed that tiny spark of Anakin to survive. Vader always had his Master reminding him of his pain and misery. He always had someone reminding him that the Dark Side had taken from him way more than it had given.
@@rickblaine9670 No, the Dark Side doesn't need someone to constantly influence you, but it sure as shit helps when you're a slave in all but name.
My point is that without Sidious, Vader would become curious about the events on Mustafar and Padme's death. He wouldn't have Sidious manipulating him with Force visions, which is canon, or gaslighting him the whole time. He wouldn't be constantly distracted by Sidious sending him out on errands or distracting him with putting him in charge of x or y operation targeting the rebellion. Vader would have time, finally to reflect and over time this would bring Anakin back. We have to remember, Sidious was constantly in Vader's head, fingering his thoughts, fueling his depression. All I'm saying is that if Sidious were gone, Vader's head would start to become clearer.
We also have to remember that all throughout his tenure as a Sith, Sidious had beat a reluctant Vader into submission. It is only during Return of the Jedi that Vader has given himself fully over to Sidious, that he has allowed the Dark Side to take control.
@@rickblaine9670 I would so love to see a what if version of Vader reaching his potential in the force.
Anakin also had a pre-existing working relationship with Thrawn. Without Sidious and Tarkin pushing so heavily for the Death Star projects Anakin would likely agree to Thrawn's TIE Defender project which is much more economical and practical. In an "ideal" world there could by a Triumvirate of Anakin, Thrawn, and Padme leading the Army, Navy, and Senate respectively, more or less. Anakin would be the supreme leader with Thrawn being the second-highest military authority and Padme handling the political side of things.
I feel that Emperor Vader and Thrawn would have their fair share of ideological overlap and would be able to consistently work towards the same goals. They in turn would have their ambitions slightly tempered by Padme while she works with the Senate to make their goals into a reality. While Padme would technically be Empress in this scenario her actual duties would be similar to a Prime Minister in a constitutional monarchy.
Keep in mind, the cannon Vader did the mass killing he did to subordinates because being burned alive and in that suit to keep him alive, he was in constant agony and on the edge of insanity. As full power Anakin, he would not have that, therefore though bathed in the dark side, he would not have the pain and insanity of Vader. Therefore, I do not believe he would be as 'kill-happy' as cannon Vader. Also keep in mind, he would also have Padme and the children to help temper him. Over time, he may not even be pure dark side. He may be a more half a half where he uses the dark side but is not constantly engulfed in it because he has the love of Padme and the children to keep him more grounded. So, he may not be as crazy as your claiming without the influence of Palpatine, and instead influenced by those he loves. Basically, over time becoming actually balanced, even. And if that's the case, this civil war may never take place, because he doesn't do the things you're claiming.
Even Maul develop a sense of love for his brother and sense of loss from losing his night brother clans.
When Palpatine wasn't around given him orders, Maul starts to recover his humanity.
Force users have telepathic/empathic abilities, Maul hanging around Mandalorian with their pack clan family like loyalty started to sink into Maul's mind set. First time Maul had a sense of community with warrior hunters.
Even in legends pre prequel 1990's books, Vader in his own secret command post castles had a very loyal and even relax staff cause they all knew they were/are the best at what they do, they enjoy it, its what the live for. What's more they love it.
Went Leia found out about the place, she was shock when the teenagers and base commander told her. The officers had their families station with them, with full nursery. Vader built things with the children. There was proper command level social disciple, but the parents and children were on a Darkside nexus post. A few of them went into Luke's Yavin Jedi academy.
Imagine being refer to as Cadet from 5yo to 20yo.
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So, Darth Vader - Palpatine - Crippling & Suit = Doctor Doom. Makes sense.
I like the thought of Anakin founding a Empire based on the Eternal Empire or Darth Revan's Sith Empire.
Vader would have been Darth Conan in that respect.
“I have brought peace, justice, to my new empire!”
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YOUR new Empire?!
"He is Master of the Galaxy by the will of the Force and Master of a Million Worlds by the might of his inexhaustable Armies"
@forickgrimaldus8301 “He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.”
@@robbieguhDon't make me kill you.
There are some real historical cases we can look at. Vader might have adopted the same strategy Caeusecu did after taking power in Romania. Caeusecu initially liberalised the country a little and gained widespread support by doing so, outmanuvering his opponents in the process. Once his power base was secured, however, Caeusecu showed his true colours and cracked down savagely on all opposition. I believe Beria was trying a similar strategy after the death of Stalin.
...You are seriously comparing Anakin to the likes of Lavrenti Beria or Nicolae Ceaușescu?
Okay, no, look. Darth Vader may have been somewhat cracked, but he doesn't come remotely close to the twisted shits Beria and Ceaușescu were like. Vader was ruthless and cold, but his violence had pragmatism and focus. If you put Vader in charge of the Soviet Russia, assholes like Beria, Stalin, Ceaușescu, Mao Zedong and the Kim Dynasty would be the ones getting purged. No crazy insane laws from Vader either.
I remember when Palpatine told him we'll find that power together I'd be like dude i thought you already knew it Padme doesn't have that long
Facts. He’s getting hit with lightning and saying “I have the power to save the ones you love”. Then a minute later says, together they will discover the secret. It was the biggest bait and switch of all time.
If he could quickly dispatch the remaining Jedi and just be over it. He would be like a tsunami rolling through the universe. Palpatine is one foot in one foot out of peace through the senate vs peace at the edge of a saber. Palpatine loves praise. Anakin/Vader feigns affection. It would be like a blitzkrieg across the galaxy. Plus he would listen to Thrawn and not put all your credits in 1 or 2 baskets JUST to be like " look at me. I'm so powerful " it's like. We know , dude. We have VHS tapes of Nihilus. Lol. Anyway. That's my rant. ✌️
Yeah Anakin would have conquered not just the known galaxy but much if not all of the unknown regions and due to Thrawn being one of Anakins advisors, the Chiss would have probably bent the knee too. People think sidious was super powerful? Anakin at full power would have made sidious look like a child. Full power Anakin (As Palpatine said he will become more powerful than both of us to Yoda) would probably be able to rip entire fleets of ships apart using the Force, Seeing not just potential futures but the actual Future, his Force Lightning would devistate planets with a mere thought, Sidious Feared Vader in his Suit imagine if he wasn't? (He had double the force potential of Yoda) With full mobility and tapping into his full range of emotions not just pain and hatred but also love and lust, joy and happiness! Anakin was said to be so fast with his blade it looked as if he was surrounded by the light of the blade, Sidious would be dead faster than he could raise his hand to shoot lightning or summon a blade to defend himself.
@reaper7939 dude it would be like when Ray destroyed allll those empire ships. Except! Anakin would do it with real purpose. Not just a one off. Barely pulled it off and got lucky and couldn't do it again kind of way. If Vader had his pod to reach out in the force? C'moooon
The superweapons were actually good policy for the Empire, no matter how many resources the Empire put into conventional weaponry it would not win them the war because it was simply impossible to garrison the entire galaxy simultaneously. Psychological control was far more important. Tarkin was the better tyrant & governor, Thrawn was better at conventional destruction of the enemy but worse at the demoralization & oppression elements of war & rule.
What lost the Empire was Palpatine's death. If not it would have at best for the Rebellion been a forever war.
Anakin would be a conqueror & absolutely the most powerful force user but he does not have the eye for politics & manipulation of Palpatine. I think the Empire might actually struggle much harder. It would ultimately survive & come out on top but I think it would be far less efficient under Anakin.
@pubcle I agree to a degree. The only thing I would say is. .. " I find your lack of faith in the force..disturbing.." lol. I do think at the end of the day it's power that wins the day. Because the jedi basically worship " goodness " or " knowledge " or " democracy " or whatever. But the Sith are all about that BASS, no treble... UNLIMITED POWAAAHH!!!!
@@alexerhardt4407 Long term Anakin would probably dominate just through sheer force if we're talking a fully realized Anakin but it would be a much more grueling & fractious process with very weak management until that point. If Tarkin is still around & Vader does keep him as council that could mitigate most of the issues, Tarkin was basically groomed for leadership by Palpatine since his early career & was a prime architect of the Empire. He'd be able to greatly assist in a lot of the politicking & managing the governors & military officers. Tarkin would be less pleased with Vader seeing him as wasteful & worse at the games but Tarkin is ultimately loyal to his ideal of a galaxy ruled by fear to ensure security & order more than his own family or life. So long as Anakin continues that path of putting the galaxy to the 'correct order' Tarkin will have little hesitance. With Tarkin the other moffs are kept in line.
Note Palpatine's absence would still greatly damage some of the projects, manipulation, & management of the Empire but if anyone could keep it together in his absence it was Tarkin. Vader being the open tyrant would be very different to Palpatine as well, Palpatine's approach was closer to Stalin's tyranny, the strong dark father figure fanatically loved & feared. Vader's approach would lack the subtlety or finesse, the cult of personality. It would be much more brutalist & direct which would cause problems, though he can still use external conflict to mitigate some of them going on a conquest campaign into the Unknown Regions.
I have a feeling Emperor Vader would Massacre the Zygerrian Empire .
He'd crash a Star Destroyer into their capital, just for funsies 😂😂😂
And for once it would be justifiable since the Zygerrians run on slavery.
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If Anakin became Emperor with now his knowledge of both Jedi and Sith, Light and Dark he would be the true physical force to reestablish balance, but since Vader is a mad dog without a leash then the balance would still be tilting after what Plagueis and Sidious did.
Plus, given that Anakin had experienced nothing but hardships within the Jedi Order combined with his traumas growing up as a slave, this could make Anakin pretty ruthless as Emperor.
@@tunebeat3809 I would say he would like Valkorian when taking over, but operate just like Malgus. Using power to establish his rule while being ruthless when there’s opposition.
I think uncrippled Vader would be less aggressive in his negotiations than suited Vader.
I also think he would have retained his belief in justice if palpatine hadn't pushed him so far to the dark. I imagine Vader would be all about preservation of order.
Need of the many type mentality
That's why Vader is compelling, because his intentions were noble
But absolute power corrupted absolutely (until ROJ anyway)
The hero with no fear
Cant call him a hero.
@@coreythomas3633Yes, you can. That's literally the name the people of the galaxy knew him by.
@@coreythomas3633If you had said "he isn't a hero" you'd have an argument, but we objectively can call him a hero.
He was never really a true villain either
The antihero
Emperor Vader would have made Palpatine his apprentice and sent him out on humiliating missions while breaking the Galaxy to his will.
Well... old palps is cunning, usually calm and almost purely follows logic while Anakin can be emotionally driven and impulsive.
Palpatine wouldn't do something that would destroy an entire plan... anakin on the other hand may turn on the spot.
If Vader had become the emperor jabber the hutt and the rest of the hutts would been wiped off the face of the galaxy and the moffs would be put into there place and would not talk down to Vader
Given that Anakin/Vader grew up as a slave to the Hutts, that's pretty understandable, though the methods might be brutal at best.
@@tunebeat3809 forgot to mention also the tusken raiders as well
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The Zygerrians can also expect a genocide since their entire society runs on slavery and war crimes.
Watto would have been peeing his jammies everyday. 😄
@@ultraspawn4685Watto would get on a shuttle to the unknown regions as soon as possible
I think one thing that would be a big determining factor would be if he learned at all to use the force more so than his blade. Part of the reason Dooku always wooped him during the clone wars is he very rarely ever fought him with the force which I think he could have overwhelmed him with. Like stated in the video it was always a "lightsaber solution" and Anakin never learned this. Even after showing his power over the son and the daughter on Mortis he immediately forgets about it and tries to fight the son after this with his blade. All of this to say that if someone with his power were to use force suggestion/influence as the emperor I think he wouldn't have much of a problem as full Power Vader/Anakin would be tough I think for even the strongest of wills to resist. He needs a page or two from Exar Kuun's manual.
Grand Emperor Speak-n-Spell: Darth Matt. *he wouldn't be able to use a podium with that helmet on
Lol can you imagine: Tenebrous -> Plagueis -> Sidious spend a literal century building up intricate networks, financial and political power, they nearly abandon physical combat entirely, working to literally own the Galaxy through cunning. And in comes Anakin, the guy that famously dislikes diplomacy and patience, waving his lightsaber around any chance he gets and bonking people over the head when they say stuff he doesnt like 😂 I empathize with the guy, but he is literally one of the worst successors to the dark throne you can imagine, he HATES political minutiae, he is a conqueror, not an emperor!
I think you are spot on in your analogy: He would have caused a civil war.
I am now picturing Anakin Skywalker in the House of the Dragon, replacing Aegon II.
Otto Hightower: My grandson is an idi-! (Force Choking noises)
Anakin Skywalker: An idiot with the Force. Be careful not to choke on your vile ambitions... you oversized bantha poodoo.
Criston Cole: Uh... your grace?
Anakin Skywalker: Shouldn't you be fucking my so-called mother? Piss off while I lecture my so-called grandfather.
Frankly, in such a scenario, Anakin would probably just make Rhaenyra queen because she's the rightful heir by succession and hasn't done anything wrong thus far, and kill Aemond if he objects. But the idea is just too hilarious. XD
I love your content! Thank you so much for the effort you put into making these videos!
Since you are currently making videos regarding powerful force users, such as sidious, plaguies, etc, can you make a tier list where you rank these powerful force users, such as sidious, yoda, Vader, etc?
Thank you!
If only. Sidious was planning to only use and dispose of him in the end. That road to full Sith knowledge could never have been to begin with.
If Vader (I’m assuming Anakin would use that name) were emperor, he would have time to tinker with things like he did as a child.
Anakin Skywalker, the conundrum of being needy for approval for being the chosen one and yet being let down by teachers , experience plus influence till the effect of being a balance of light and dark , ying and yang was lost on him in his journey. Oh well, such is life. A most tragic tale indeed .
Man excellent video I’m learning so much of Star Wars really like all the details.
Emperor Vader on his own was a bad idea. However Emperor Vader and Empress Amidala would have created a glorious empire with the Empress tempering the Emperor's baser instincts
Indeed. Frankly, Padmé wouldn't betray Anakin right off the bat. I could only see Padmé betraying him if he went full Palpatine or started killing planets just for flex (I could see him purging worlds that engage in slavery, but blowing up planets with little provocation? Not Vader's style).
If Anakin never burned, a whole version of Vader would have most likely been Emperor.
Love listening to your voice explaining Star Wars lore is so relaxing
Man, i know its been said before, but seeing videos like this really makes me wish we had a Star Wars animated What if show.
If Padme didnt die he wouldn’t have remained in the dark side. As soon as palpatine was dead his visions of her dying would end and he wouldn’t need the dark side. Anakin wasnt evil for evil’s sake, he just wanted his family
I don't know, Anakin was force choking her out of anger.
Like a dog that chases a car, catches it and doesn't know what to do with it.
As Emperor, I think Vader would have the support of his military cronies. Tarkin would likely join him, Yuleran, and so would Thrawn, having met Anakin during the war. I could see him forming a council of such individuals to aid him in the political, and military side, he would still need to be careful though, such ambitious men would lead to many ambitious schemes. As for his Force potential, it is unclear if he would seek out greater Sith knowledge to increase his abilities, Anakin was not an academic, and if he was anything like he was in the main timeline, he would not spend time going through books and holocrons. I think he would try to rule, not as a Sith, but a dark side juggernaut, a hammer rather than a scalpel. In such a timeline I could see a fallen Jedi picking up where Palpatine left off, maybe reforming the Sith as an enemy of Anakin. Which would likely result in a free for all style war. Republic loyalists, Sith cultists, remaining Jedi, and who knew who else against Anakin's war machine.
I couldn't imagine how powerful he would become with palpatine's vault of knowledge.
This video was a giant what if. It wasn't the first time this has been done and I'm sure it won't be the last time either. Plenty of lore to cover instead of the what if videos that appear occasionally.
As unlikely as it would be for Anakin, could you do the following what if scenario: What if Anakin had a moment of clarity to understand he need Palpetine to teach him all the ways of the Dark Side and how to be an effective politician before killing him? I think it would be facilitating to look into.
Please consider.
Thank you.
Blasphemy! He brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new Empire!
Edit: I think Padmé would spent the few few to five years of Vader’s reign to influence him and do her best for the galaxy. Once she gave up or saw he was too far gone/cutting too many moral corners (even if he stopped the killing at Palpatine alone) then she’d support Bail Organa’s secret rebellion
I think you're giving Anakin way too much credit here. Remember that this is the guy who wrecked who only knows how many star destroyers in the Anoat System asteroid field trying to catch one little freighter in a gambit that ultimately failed in every respect. He's impulsive, rejects sound advice, and prone to Force Choking people for not doing what he wants. In this kind of climate, the Rebellion would have grown *much* larger and faster than it did under Palpatine. The military and the Senate would quickly become concerned about Anakin's actual behavior in contrast to his public image. Plus, once he really started to crack down, the public would inevitably wonder if the "saintly" Chancellor Palpatine's murder happened because the alleged Jedi conspiracy against the Senate was actually led by Anakin all along. Remember, people loved Palpatine too - in the beginning.
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Imagine Vader just dropping into the battle and spamming Sith lightning. And maybe even resurrecting people with Plagueis's Sith alchemy.
I think Palpatine would’ve attempted to take Anakin’s body and therefore his power. He knew the secret to essence transfer from Darth Undedu’s Holocron. That’s why his clone was perfect. He wanted to break Skywalker’s will which he did but it would’ve been absolutely destroyed had he defeated Obi Wan. The destruction of his body made him weaker and no longer useful as a vessel.
Palpatine: evil but smart
Vader: evil and stupid
Anakin was a warrior, not a politician. He would've been out of his depth as Emperor.
I don't know, Sidious' lust for political power proved to be the end of the Empire. He divested the Galactic and the military economies towards single points of failure; the Death Star projects. He cancelled the Clone program and replaced it with an objectively inferior military composition and architecture, including the inspiration of ruthless competition between operatives. Sidious strangled the Galaxy so that he could be king of the ash-heep. He could have eliminated all the cartels and crime rings that siphoned the economy and prevented people from being able to contribute to it.
Vader was a general during an intense war. He knew how to win a war. So that is covered. Sidious wanted to be worshipped and that is why he was careful with the way he used power. Vader doesn't care about that. He is on a mission and you're either in or you're out. Vader had a direction for the galaxy that in his mind didn't revolve around him. He saw himself as being necessary for the Galaxy. Sidious saw the Galaxy as his sandpit. Basically: Sidious is Kim Jung Un but smarter and Vader is Joseph Stalin. Both are dictators. Both have a vain ego. But one is a self-agrandizing king who wants love and attention, even the illusion of it whilst the other, whilst brutal and ultimately irrational and self centered is fanatical.
Lastly, it appears that Sidious is good at attaining power, but seems short-sighted, funny enough, when he has it. Kind of like a kid who works really hard and saves a lot of money to buy his first car and then promptly rams it into a tree.
That would have been the role of Padema
@@evos469 and she refused to join him
@@julianmcmillan2867I’d also like to mention that Vader seemed to have a low opinion of the Death Star even in the original film where he mocked the ability to instantaneously destroy a planet as being insignificant compared to the Force.
Yes. But as a Viking King. Who fare challenge? Lol
I’m a add a different option, I say Anakin, especially if Padama is still alive, he falls back on the light side because love is stronger than his desire for power. He remembers being a salve and doesn’t want to be seen by Padme’ as condoning those kinds of actions. He starts listening to her advice and that of other around him. He becomes a wise and way less rash ruler. Darth Anakin the wise, Sith Lord of light, he who brought real peace to the galaxy.
The TH-cam channel Fantasy Folklore actually does a cool video going over a theoretical timeline where Anakin and Padme are both force sensitives and took over the empire. Very similar to this video's depiction of Anakin's empire.
the thing is, he actually became a sith to help people, I don’t doubt he would indeed be ruthless, but do it for what he thought to be the greater good, not just for power, power was a means to an end for hime
Wicked! At work and I caught the new holocron
Brother, every time you do these, i wish Disney had given you the job they keep giving people who dont actually like Star Wars. This would make for an amazing trilogy.
Sidious @2:35 looks like a dorky cosplayer at a con, full of geeky excitement!
If Count Dooku could levitate full potential Vader would have flown like Superman. Evil version of course
Can we get a video on why the 3 sith holicron guardians each hated Darth Krayt and why they refused to help him?
My impression from Revenge of the Sith was that until Vader’s “accident”, Siddious had every intention of continuing the Rule of Two, training Vader as his successor, and eventually being killed. He was bragging to Yoda that one day, Vader would be stronger than both of them. Then Vader level-capped himself, so Siddious had to change his plan.
In Dark Empire, he convinced Luke to come to the Dark Side by telling him that he’d learn how to defeat Siddious himself.
The best outcome of either scenario was always a Skywalker on the throne. Though, both Anakin and Luke had some amount of Jedi training. I think Siddious would have done better kidnapping Leia and breaking her will before training.
The one thing I never got from Revenge of The Sith was why Anakin would go from love for Chancellor Palpatine to wanting to overthrow him.
Could you do a What-If scenario of this please? You're so intelligent with your analysis and information that I'd love to hear your voice doing a series of What-Ifs. You'd be extremely good at it.
One of the things i always wondered is: Was Palpatine always sure he could keep control over Anakin even if the incident on Mustafar never occured? We all know the true power and skills of Palpatine with a light saber. But Anakins's powers were ever growing over time. Did the dark lord have a contingency plan to keep his apprentice in check? I believe It would be interesting if you could explore this idea in a future video. Thank you in advance for taking my request into consideration.
There's something to question when it comes to "unburnt" Vader, would this version of Anakin be the same? Alot of the Vader we know came from his maiming, and the torture chamber of a suit he was confined to, along with Palpatines "lessons" which more often than not including additional injury and insult. All of those factors drove Vader into more and more rageful state, akin to a rabid, tortured animal.
This Vader though would be free of those, shall we say impulses. This Vader would mostly be driven by his sense of "justice" and hunger for power, particularly preventing or reversing death. I think, we're more likely to end up with something akin to Tenebrae/Vitiate during his Zakuul period - somewhat disinterested in politics and ruling, simply seeking further power for the sake of power and control. But that's just my two pennies.
Sith'ari = Emperor Vader
"I've become more powerful than the chancellor, I could overthrow him!" 100% confirms he was planning on turning on Palpatine even before his injuries.
Emperor Vader unlike Palps wouldn't have any of the sadism or obsession with subjugating the galaxy. He'd be singlemindedly crushing everyone who perpeuated the systems he despised. An emperor leading from the front rather than the shadows, a force of violent control that will make the galaxy match his vision without morals or remorse. Cold ruthless logic to rule the galaxy with a durasteel fist
This thumbnail is the coolest depiction of Prime Vader ever.
I'm not sure if he would still keep the name Vader since if he managed to get rid of Sidious, he wouldn't be under that guy's thumb. He might not be reclaimed by the Jedi Code but I also suspect that he wouldn't care that much about Sith tradition either. Part of accepting a name change was accepting that the other person has great influence over you and your life. By arranging for Sidious' death(so soon, not needing his help to keep Padme alive), he's effectively rejecting the name change. So he might meet bare minimum requirements for being a Sith or a Jedi, but unable to embrace either(at least initially) if Padme agreed to join him.
You should do an actual what if video on this. Writing out exactly how Anakin would run the empire because this is interesting.
Hail Emperor Anakin!! 😁
I’d love to see a What If.. story based on this. Awesome video.
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Palpatine could make Rey in his spare time. Anakins NNN rage just continuously builds.
I have seen a few videos saying Anakin's weakness was his love for the people, that he was driven by his need to protect everyone around him, even his clone soldiers. I think that without Palpatine messing with his mind, he would be a heavy handed emperor but I don't think he would become the monster this video suggests. I think Padme would be there to temper his more rash impulses and he would listen to her because he loves her so much.
Emperor Vader is such an underrated what if scenario
Emporer Vader: "disintigrations are perfectly fine and encouraged"
I am imagining it would be awesome for their roles to be protectors of his children, kind of like guards
Thumbnail goes hard ngl
It could be that a warrior wouldn’t make a good emperor, but the foundings of most empires are by warriors; history says otherwise.
Yes but those warriors that governed weren't meatheads. They were very intelligent. Not saying Anakin was a meat head but he was definitely hot headed and lacked discipline. If Qui Gon was his master then he would have found balance within himself.
The really terrifying thing would be what Vader would learn from the ancient Sith. As Traya states, eve in that era, they are children compared to the old masters. It is noted that the ancient Sith hated Palpatine's fascination with the Jedi and his alternate tactics but Vader would be more in line with their line of thinking. The old conflict being his arrogant and childish view of things but thsoe Sith would try to manipulate that to their advantage or at least view him as a more worthy inheritor of the Sith legacy than Palpatine. Anakin would follow his passions, just as the Sith code dictates. Who knows what he could learn from the right hollocrons? Many of them were held by the Jedi so Darth Bane's Rule Of Two lineage would not have access to them and if he did find Bane's hollocron or one from a Sith, later in that era that had even more knowledge, then he would become an almost unprecedented scholor of the dark side of the force. Yes, Palpatine had similar access but his body is old and weak compared to the chosen one so Anakin could have time to learn using this mix of knowledge, so long as his empire lasted. With the right knowledge thought, he could potentially use his power as the chosen one to be more of a threat than Nihilus or Palpatine was in the comics.
Yeah, if Palpatine tried essence transfer, um that would not end well. He'd either fail or end up like Orochimaru having the ritual turned on him by Sasuke.
I imagine that Palpatine had to have been an organizational genius. When you hear about the abundance of massive projects, programs, and campaigns, it’s insane what he achieved in a short time.
Palpatine was way smarter than Vader so while an authoritarian, he understood how to govern at least a modicum of efficiently. Vader would've just tried to crush everyone who gave him a little pushback and the peasantry would've started rebelling way earlier than they did and would've gained a lot more strength quicker.
this thumbnail is so fire as a wallpaper
Here's an interesting idea.
Since He mainly committed to the Dark side to "Save Padme".
What If He "discovered" that the Padme thing was just a ruse from Sidious, and He just decides to kill Sidious, or let Windu kill Him in the tower, all without harming the Younglings or remaining Jedi.
Then He might be able to return to the light considering He wouldn't have lost everything at that point, and might be able to redeem Himself.
Would make things a lot better if He kills Sidious before Order 66, that way it's more likely for things to somewhat return to normal.
That way the Jedi don't get killed off, and they might be able to get a new Chancellor who could negotiate some kind of peace deal Between them and the remaining members of the Separatists, by also using the fact Palpatine played both sides as a reason why it all began...
This video was badass and super insightful
His success wiuld largely depend on how conpletely he gained control of the clone army. He may have assumed control of the droid army as well, since that only didn't happen for appearances' sake.
That thumbnail is sick
Considering that Anakin at full potential would have made Sidious and Yoda look like children, it would have been a monster or force of nature set loose on the galaxy. I think the comparison to Vitiate is pretty good. That's assuming he stays evil of course. Without Palpatine around he might flip back a bit especially if Padme and his kids are around.
Darth Vader: Is that Peach Cobbler? I ASKED FOR BANANA PUDDING!
Imperial Cook: *Neck snaps*
Darth Vader: Hello Padme. Sorry you had to see that. Let’s watch Space Balls.
I think that’s how it would all go down.
Had the Death Star plans still made its way into rebel hands, the ultra violent civil war would have erupted into so many frontlines, the rebellion would have accumulated/sacrificed everything they had to speed-construct one with time in some far away galactic corner. Once the super rebel moon base had been revealed, so does Mon Mothma openly announce whom she really was, sitting on the throne, associated by a traitorous Padmé answering to her. Luke would have to still destroy it, and ultimately face against his own mother to save his father, his sister, and many Imperial citizens from being obliterated as the Rebellion’s final resort towards winning.
What if sidious didn't kill plagueis and accepted him as co-chancellor?
I think this ignores the good still in him though. His turn to the dark side was not unprovoked, as he was being manipulated by palpatine, and had the motivation of saving those he loved. With Palpatine no longer there, his family still in tact, and his limbs still attached, what anger would he have to keep him in the dark side? Maybe just the fear of loss? But even that fear is still rooted in love, so he might have just turned to the light sooner.
I was just thinking about this. I made what if stories with AI all the time. Love it
Well to be honest if Anakin was emperor he likely would have been kinder than Palpatine no mass enslavement, he would have likely either scrapped the Death Star or at least refused to use it on a heavily populated planet like Alderron. I'm not sure why you think Vader would be crueler than Sidious at first he disagreed with many of his policies like enslaving others...
In this video is not about darth vader in cibernetics it's about unburned anakin with training of sidious i think that had anakin killed obi wan sidious would have teached him even teaching his master methods of couse he wouldn't have teached him about immortality becouse he didn't knew about essence transfer but i'm sure that if anakin exceded sidious then he would have likely killed him for power even when he was in his suit even sidious had to control him this time would be diffrent with palpatine dead and nobody to stop him he would have do what he always did war and anakin on his full power without being limited by sidious would be like tsunami that drowns anything across his path he wouldn't have needed death star to kill entire armies his sheer power alone would be enough to kill any army when he is on front lines he wouldn't have needed army becouse he himself would be one army man he would have been much more violent and brutal than sidious he wouldn't negotiate he would attack his enemies and kill anyone that stood in his way. While i agree anakin would have cared about his family if they went in his way for power he wouldn't have problems with killing them
The crazy thing about this theory is that Padme would have still died by Darth Vaders hand.
I could POSSIBLY see Anakin actually dialing it down a little for two reasons: First, Padmé wouldn't just betray him, she'd try to get through to him; if not to restore democracy (because at this point it's basically nonexistent thanks to Palpatine), then to at very least not go full Force Choke on everyone. I'm assuming in this scenario, Anakin just knocked Padmé out rather than Force Choking her before fighting Obi-Wan.
Second is Ahsoka. I doubt Anakin would just want to kill Ahsoka on sight, which would give her the chance to talk some calm into him. I could also see Rex coming back to "General Skywalker" once he learns Anakin is in charge now.
Remember that most of Darth Vader's poor impulse control came from losing to Obi-Wan in Mustafar AND losing Padmé and his children. So, Emperor Vader in this scenario is, technically speaking, in a better place emotionally. And at this point, save for the scraps of the Jedi Order left hiding about, Anakin would have no "enemies" to aim his rage at save at the Separatist Holdouts (those would have to be dealt with one way or another) and the Hutt Cartels, Zygerrian Slavers and other criminal syndicates (only corrupt senators would defend those). Once THOSE were done with, his anger would basically peter out and would only emerge at specific moments (say, sociopolitical or economical matters where one side is causing trouble, like we see Darth Vader do in Legends every now and then). Personally, with all the stress points that caused him to go over the edge gone (Obi-Wan, Jedi Order, Palpatine, the Separatists and Padmé's impending death), I think Anakin would take few hours to sit down, take a deep breath, catch up on his sleep (this poor bastard was insomniac through the whole ROTS plot, no wonder he cracked!) and then think on where to go from now. He wouldn't go back to the easygoing plucky Anakin from TCW, but he wouldn't become the broken shell hate-filled Darth Vader either.
I think that, at this point, the Galactic Empire would become akin to the Roman Empire; the senate would remain, and Anakin-as-Emperor would hold ultimate authority over the military while the Senate would essentially be forced to carry out the bureaucratic and economic parts of governing according to his desire rather than their personal intrigues. Ironically, the would-be Rebel Alliance could essentially take on the role of making the senate capitulate while convincing Anakin not to go overboard. Basically a soft "Great Crusade Era-Imperium of Man" in the Horus Heresy. I don't think Padmé could stomach outright betraying Anakin for years, she'd take the role of "silk glove" to try rein in his "iron fist".
I could also see Emperor Anakin going for the Eternal Empire route. No more Jedi or Sith, but a new order of Force Sensitives that would keep the peace and order actively rather than just medidate and debate nonstop. Ahsoka would be his Praetorian, so to speak, and I could see other former Jedi who had doubts about the Order like Jerec and even Quinlan Vos joining him. Anakin didn't issue Order 66, after all, Palpatine did; he'd basically issue a pardon to any Jedi who forsook the Jedi Code and submitted to the new order. The upside to Emperor Anakin is that, unlike Palpatine, he would be way less obsessed with immortality (Anakin wants to stop people he loves from dying out of their time, not to avoid or eliminate death altogether) and abusing power for its own sake. Anakin would be the ultimate Totalitarian Utilitarian, demanding the Senate, Imperial corporations and the military do their job of providing for Imperial citizens OR ELSE. Frankly, save for rebellions, you wouldn't see the Empire intentionally making things difficult for the common man to please some political agenda. Think Doctor Doom's Latveria.
The funny part of this scenario is that the likes of Tarkin and Isard would be in a VERY tense situation. Anakin is a man of action, he doesn't like sycophants and would also demand that the Imperial Military do things by HIS standards, not THEIRS. So no Death Stars, no COMPNOR, and _definitely_ no slavery. They would also have to be VERY careful not to upset the Emperor's wife or children. XD
Anakin: Have you ever heard the legend of Darth Sidious the Unwise?
It’s so weird for them to have Anakin defend Palpatine so heavily when the Jedi asks him to spy on him. Even calling him a mentor and friend, to then talking about overthrowing him. It gave me harder whiplash than Anakin being a Jedi one moment, to being okay with k¡lling kids the next.
Yes, I know people love to go over quotes and explanations, constantly jumping through hoops or bending over backward to explain these things… but the plain simple truth is, and always will be… it was just Bad Writing. *PERIOD*
and this is why I want a reboot of Star Wars because this is a version of Vader that I want in non-burning mode and especially in gods mode