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- #kofiewhy We’re getting closer and closer to a generation where Madden is the only football game that they’ll remember playing and that’s terrible, so today I’m going to talk about All-Pro Football 2K8 experiment.
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a gold player for a CB is 1000% realistic and was always one of my favorite choices ... good secondary is key
Rod Woodson is a stud
With so many retired football players since 08. I would love if 2k made another all pro football game with all the works for 2019 that would be awesome.
Never gonna happen. The game would have to be built from the ground up to get current with the times. It would cost a ton to develop and they wouldn't be able to sell enough to make a profit. Additionally, the game would only sell for $20-$30 max because no one would pay $60 for it over Madden.
Jeremy Jefferson Then why is it that Adis Football gets better every year and have a team of like 6 ppl and a tiny budget?
It’s def possible! They can easily buy an engine and build off of that or build off of their old engine and create a new engine using the old engine as a foundation.
I doubt 2k will ever do it again but I think within a year or two we will see Axis rival Madden like 2k did but without NFL license or I predict we’ll see an AAF game or an XFL game if they succeed but we def need another game like 2k8
EA got scared again and bought up a bunch of retired players rights through there NFL/NFLPA collusion. Just so they can nickel and dime everyone for Madden Ultimate Scheme.
McFaulkner 15 the old 2K is gone. They ruined their amazing b-ball series
@@dontdoittoyoself6786 my guess is they did that for ultimate team
Kicking system is fantastic in APF 2k8, requires skill and feel and ahead of its time.
It is THE best kicking system, especially because you control the long snap
Yeah that's one I was shocked everyone disagreed on this with haha.
I'm in the minority then. I fucking hated kicking in APF. I'll take the slider any day
I might be alone on this but a high school football game would be so fun, from being able to recruit kids, no need for rights because nobody cares if there rng created.
Ryan Mason hive thought about that as well
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With King Javo's new editor, you'll be able to do these things. Comes out 12/8/18.
@J H God damn can a dude not wish for something lmao
That would be cool. Go from playing in small stadiums to pro ones for the state title
Tbh the fact that 2 gold , 3 silvers , and 6 bronze players can be used on either side of the ball .the game was so great especially with the gameplay . Every team has a weakness and strengths depending on how you built your team . APF 2k8 was very balanced and if you was playing online or user to user , it required you to think . Not every glitch play worked every single time . Not every trick play worked in every single time and I think APF 2k8 is the best on-field football game ever. Even better than 2k5 . With so many football players retiring T.O , Randy Moss , Ed Reed , Peyton Manning , etc .... I honestly don't see why they can't make another APF game
I wouldn't say every team was balanced, the game certainly favored certain team builds, especially for skilled positions. It disrespects linemen a lot.
I appreciate the idea, but he's right that there should've been a way to unlock new builds.
I like to create a player for myself to play as, so the skills for created players were lame (1 for bronze, 2 for silver, 3 for gold - should've been 2, 3, 5, respectively... there were some bronze with 5, why can't my created at least have fucking 2?), and to restrict yourself to one specific team build as well... I don't know what the solution should've been. Unlockables, maybe? Maybe you have to win the championship to unlock a higher, better team. Maybe you start with just 3 silver and 8 bronze, then unlock the 2, 3, 6... then 3, 4, 4, then 5, 5, 1... something like that.
Still one of my favorite games ever. Loved trying out different team builds and seeing how they would play (who would take a gold cornerback? Me, at least once). Wish Madden had something more like this. MUT is along those lines, but you have less control over the specific upgrades you get, more like "your team is constantly getting better", not like making compromises and choices in team building. Also introduced me to a ton of players before my time, I would watch TH-cam highlights of Earl Campbell and Randal Cunningham for hours after playing with them in the game.
I think the main takeaway for any non-licensed football game -- teams and players have to have an intrinsic character and personality. The distinct skillsets of each player meant they all felt unique, even if they had a similar base. Generated players can't just be piles of stats: they need strengths, weaknesses, personality quirks, backstories, etc. something like a Darkest Dungeon/X-Com approach to storytelling.
The best thing this game had was the badges were tied to the animations that character was capable of. The number overall system is stupid.
Wtf is he talking about?!??? On the field, football wise. All pro football 2k8 is killin nfl 2k5
yeah i loved 2k5 but 2k8 has much better gameplay
Exactly
Passing controls for 2K5 was better than 2K8.....
I was hoping 2k8 was going to be fully customizable. Really, 2k could just release the game empty and just leave it open to community based content. Similar to the Wwe2k series.
Only thing is that they should add a franchise mode
I really enjoyed All-Pro Football 2K8. What I like about this game is that you can customize uniforms on the teams and I made them have the same colors and uniform templates as USFL and college football teams (i.e. I made the Miami Cyclones wear Miami Hurricanes colors, Tampa Bay Top Gun with Tampa Bay Bandit colors, Minnesota Werewolves with Golden Gopher colors, Dallas Gunslingers in San Antonio Gunslinger colors, etc.
I remember playing APF2K8 for the first time after it's release. As I'm playing the game, I'm telling my girlfriend "This game is actually REAL...." The game felt so smooth and unscripted that I was in shock. It holds ups to this day and is absolutely amazing.
I still play 2k8
2k should make a game every two years that allows you to upload “custom” rosters. It would save them so much money because they wouldn’t have to pay the NFL. And players would be able to upload online community rosters with the real NFL teams.
Sin City Quinn honestly... maybe even once for every console generation would be okay
Manny Yojo Id be down for that!
Boycott EA
Have been since I didn't get NFL 2K6...
I think the only think AP2K8 was missing was a weekly wrap up show. I didn't mind no Dynasty mode because it was fun starting over with a new team.
A football game, but with a stupid, yet weird twist. A single franchise mode where there's a college rank and pro rank. From here a set of custom rules for each league with rounds per draft,playoff, bowl/postseason college games,season length, cap room, scholarship limits, roster limits per league and if they want to implement different OT, catch and tackle rules. Customization for both leagues, recruiting for college, scouting for the pros. The ability for college coaches to get picked up by pro teams or fired and sent to either find a new job in the pros or college like Jim Harbaugh. Love to have an absurd amount of customization slots for teams and stadium builders. Also a sort of singular superstar mode where you could walk-on to a college team you created and play it up to the pros. Would love to get Nike,Addidas,UA,Puma and such for player customization. Also a stat tracking system for the mode(that'll include teams player was previously on), year end rankings of players, All-pro, All-American, and best player at position awards. Also the ability for mod support on console to fix up or implement things, weekly updates to game tuning and no Ultimate team mode to take away from the real big part of replay ability for the game. Finally a squad up system like Fifa has with pro clubs or NBA 2k with pro-am to create a team with friends and play other players teams online. If there's any way a game developer could do this game I laid in my head I'd be surprised.
connor shaw is based. he got robbed out of starting for the bears in '16 cause of his broken leg.
Why can't 2K do another All Pro Football game? That be great. Maybe 2K is waiting on the XFL in 2020? Let's hope and pray.
If just a blank football game was created with ability to have a team builder site like NCAA 14 had. We could upload our own logos and create our own uniforms/ stadiums. Choose to either be a high school, college or pro league. I would buy a game like that in a heartbeat. A totally create your own football game, that would be something.
My nephew loved this game back when it came out. He was about 9 or 10 at the time & instead of playing Madden he would play this game over & over. I, personally never got into any football games(except Blitz once in a while)but he absolutely loved this one for some reason!!
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NEED A BLITZ THE LEAGUE 1, 2 and nfl 2k5 (why is there not first person football in today’s games) video Kofie . But I love all pro and friends and I still draft teams mode, this game has Badges ! Gathering the boys to play tonight, but will likely end up playing blitz
The kicking in the game is perfect. It controls how you snap the balls on field goals and punts. If you make sure you get a good snap you'll have no issue.
Virtual Varsity good points. A lot of people here agree with you too. I just remember hating it as a kid 😭
@@KofieWhy oh no doubt I avoided kicking at all cost at first. But know I still play this game and I really enjoy the mechanics especially since with the changes to kicking rules in the NFL field goals are no longer thought to be sure points.
Full modding ability. I understand why the NFL would try to limit kickoffs but why take that out on us? Why can't we have kickoffs at the 30 and touchbacks at the 20? Kickoff returns in video games are great! And while we're at it, how much more interesting would football be on a 200 yard field or with single points like the CFL?
2k8 had arguably better gameplay than 2k5
Not arguably. Definitely.
Way better. I think 2k5 is slightly overrated from a gameplay perspective.
APF 2k8 by far has the best gameplay to date. While the feature were light the the gameplay was deep and rewarding. While the easy pick is to go with gold skill players, gold centers and other lineman are worth the investment. I for one love using gold lineman. NFL 2k5 was great, but APF 2k8 gameplay took it to the next level in so many small and big details.
You know, I think a CFL game/series could work. It would at least sell well enough in Canada.
Your imagination is level 1
What companies outside EA should do is bring back NFL Street. Shit was the perfect pick up and play type of sports game.
If I was making a Football game without NFL rights, I'd make a Football game with NBA rights cause that way you would still have known players and teams (even if they are in a different sport). Plus you have a chance of getting the game to become super popular off the memey idea of having people like LeBron and Steph as NFL players.
I’d like to see more Blitz the League games, I know Midway closed but those games are still fun to me.
The idea for 1 was really good, although the graphics are so old it's hard to play.
2 was even better, IMO, especially with how they built on the story from the first (having those rookies from 1 be established players, having the captains aged - Kwazi Mbutabe is fucking awesome, love how he was still churning out yards later in his career); be cool if they tweaked some things to improve 2 and make that 3.
My suggestions:
A few cosmetic things, so maybe not that big a deal, but:
1 - Your player's voice was really... like, he made a choice, you know? Which, if you made your character from, say, Texas... not really the right accent. A few options would've been nice, or maybe something a bit more generic?
2 - Not that it mattered in game, but... 6'2" 180 lbs? A 6'2" 180 lb TE/LB is insane. Also, I saw him: he wasn't 6'2" 180 lb. Let you pick, right? (Or at least a specific height weight for all positions... even if you're going to go with only one height/weight no matter what... would've 6'3" 230 be at least reasonable for any build? A bit tall for a HB, big for a CB... but not unreasonably so, considering he's a two-sport, 1st overall pick type of athlete.)
3 - It would be cool to merge the team aspect of 1 and player aspect of 2 and go for a game based around 2-player co-op: you get the 1st overall pick and get a superstar, then you or your buddy can also be a star in the 2nd round (or maybe you have two top-20 picks because you traded back last year, something like that?), so you can create *two* (one-way) players to build your team around, and this way you can go offense/offense or defense/defense.
You could be a QB with your buddy catching passes from you as a WR or TE, or compliment each other with QB and HB... or both are punishing LBs... whatever.
I played 2 with a buddy, and he was the HB and I was the LB... but it was the same person. Would've been cool to have had some ability to customize Franchise a bit, and to have one for each of us.
Also... even if there's no story past year 3, you should be able to play out his whole career (and season stats shouldn't disappear after you move up, you should have player cards for team and player stats season-by-season).
I'd secure the rights to fictional rosters from football movies to foster a stronger emotional connection to the teams: Miami Sharks (Any Given Sunday), West Canaan Coyotes (Varsity Blues), Washington Sentinels (The Replacements), South Central Louisiana State Mud Dogs (The Waterboy), ESU Timberwolves (The Program), North Dallas Bulls (North Dallas Forty), Little Giants, and the Longest Yard prison team.
Beautiful vid man. I mean that. NFL2K is the GOAT.
Check out King Javo's All Pro Football Roster Editor!
Insane quality! Keep it up and youll go far with this channel
Good thing the tecmo bowl will be preserved on the switch.
You would not recommend hex editing but it's the only reason why people still play All Pro Football to this day.
If only there was a franchise mode built in....
i was actually just playing this today, once in a while i hook my ps3 up just to play this game again and i always end up playing at least like 6 season games with custom sliders before shutting it off, it's very fun.
lmao you must be terrible at football "who would use a gold on a cornerback" lmao whaaaaat
Dion Sanders champ Bailey Richard shermon Patrick Peterson this guy doesn't know football
Don't forget Revis, Rod and Charles Woodson and Darrell Green to toss out a few more Gold CB's!🏈😏
I disagree about the kicking.
This was an amazing video thank you!
I loved the 2 player mode of
All-Pro
Hours of 1 on1 fun with real friends in the room Lol
my biggest issue with sports games these days is they all seem to be sims. I miss games like NHL Hitz, NBA Street, NFL Blitz and Street. That's the kind of game that doesn't really need a license because a lot of the people who play those games don't really follow the sports anyway.
Started with
- *NFL GAMEDAY 2002* with ole Timmy Brady I believe...
Those took me to
- *2K4 and 2K5*
Then I was introduced to
- *MADDEN 05*
Been pretty much downhill since...
If i were 2k, I'd make a football game with simulation mechanics onto an arcade setting. Kinda like how Super Mega Baseball works. Imagine 2k creating a game with great football mechanics mixing in Blitz the league type hits and storylines.
Some Notes/Further explanations: Hey y'all. I want to clear something up. For the modding and hex-editing part I put "Would not recommend" when I should have put could not recommend. I wasn't trying to say not to explore it/find someone who can do it. Not what I meant. I was saying that I couldn't recommend it because I've never done it and I didn't want to advocate something I've never done with this game. Sorry for the confusion y'all.
In terms of EA getting the NFL license, it's because the league put the license up for bid and EA won over a few competitors. In the video, I was talking about why EA would want to blow companies out of the water without being specific on how they did it. My bad.
Also it looks like I'm the only one that hates the kicking system loloooolololololololol oops
Would a high school football game not be cool? Bishop Gorman (LV), IMG Academy(FL), De LaSalle (CA) , St. Francis (Baltimore), Mater Dei (CA) and etc.
I actually love this game and still play it today. Bought it brand new and still have my original copy.
Love playing the legends and get to play a season and play a different positions on different plays is what I call playing with fun.
I never could stand the madden football games. Never will unless they make them fun like 2k did.
If I made a football game, it’d be called, “Madden Legends” and on the cover, it’d have Brett Favre, John Elway and Tom Brady on it. And in the game, we’d get to build the roster for an NFL team. It would have every NFL Hall of Famer. That’s just what I’d do if I had the opportunity to make an NFL Game
Love your videos man!! Keep up the good work!!
I reject your question and substitute my own.
What game would I like to see remade with rights?
Easy, California Games with real name extreme sport stars.
Great video rigby.
Wouldn't recommend hexing or modding? If it wasn't for guys like myself and @King Javo that went inside the game and discovered hidden gems, cats wouldn't be playing online now.
When I was a kid besides madden I played NFL blitz it was so unique and so out there like a wrestling version of football love that game. nfl quarterback club file btw my favorite quarterback was on the cover Brett Favre. :)
Your points have merit but I believe that they are misplaced.
So what do I mean can I give you? Ok, first while this game is lacking to say that it is simply a stripped-down version of to 2K5 is to deny it the amazing achievements it established in total. I mean physics overhaul ball physicsover 1,500 individual animations and a brand new animation combination system to seamlessly go from one animation to another without the janky orc and animations that we hate getting locked into.there is an absolute perception of weight and it's felt both in the setting of your players feet and the momentum carried through a clean hit.
this game was also released and truehd which means on the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 it natively presented itself at 720P! Whereas to 2k5 is 480P.
And above all I want to address your statement regarding Madden's point system and how you measure it to All Pro Football to 2k8's medal system.
visceral concepts decision to use this instead of points was not because they did not have enough players in the games roster it was because a point system is the cheapest way of balancing any type of game know this game would be balanced based off of its huge library of over 150 individual perks and moves that would be given liberally to each increasing metal level.and this would in turn be limited by the number of metals players you can have on any one team.
so a points value system says a player is good the higher his value this system valued players based off of the way you played the game did you want a deion Sanders and Jerry Rice or did you want a Barry Sanders and Walter Payton?
So while I agree with your generalconsensus I take into question and replace with fact several of your statements.
I have a question, can you challenge a referee's call on APF2k8 as you can in madden?.
Yes, you could challenge plays. It was actually much better than madden imo in this respect. Every game was full of close calls, such as 1st down or short, in or out of bounds, fumble or not, interception or not, complete catch or not, etc. You really had to choose wisely when to use your challenges.
Also, unlike madden, basically every play could be challenged. For example, if on a 1st and 30 you threw the ball for a completed pass and they marked it as a 16 yard gain, but you thought you weren't down until 17 yards... you could challenge... and you know what, sometimes you would get a few extra feet or another yard, etc.
When you did challenge the refs would got to the booth and the commentators would show a replay you could watch. Many times you really had no idea what the final call would be until the refs announced it because the plays were just so close.
During online games players would often no huddle on close calls that went their way on offense so the "tv replay" wouldn't show while picking plays. If a player paused the game and watched the replay in the pause menu they would lose the ability to challenge. This created a good number of should I or shouldn't I challenge moments on defense when playing online.
Final note: I probably banged my controller on the floor a few too many times playing APF 2K8 because I lost a game due to not having any challenges left. Frustrating at the time, but again, it made the game that much more fun.
Speaking of online play, it was also better than madden in the respect that you actually had penalties online. I never see pass interference, holding, or other calls of that nature online in madden. The only penalties I see online in madden are offsides, jumping, delay of game, and kickoff out of bounds.
and it wasnt just that you were able to challenge but that you could decide what to challenge. Did the pass hit the ground, was the spot incorrect, etc.
Waaaay better than half assed madden when you only can select to challenge play and then after 2 random camera angle replays you get the same ref animation.
The reason the game wasn’t as deep as 2k5 is because that would take more resources and money for and for a non licensed game in its first year, that’s a huge risk. If the game would’ve sold well, deeper versions would’ve dropped
Should have just made a backyard kids football more in depth with retired legends. That way you could just make up a bunch of kids to be similar to the stars in today’s game. (Side note: Pablo Sanchez was the coldest backyard kid in every damn game)
Best football game I ever played... perfectly competitive online and the kicking system was top notch
I want an XFL videogame, gawddamnit!!!
to your comment on gold slots using a center or corner back or whatnot maybe not a center but that gaurd larry little is a beast can tell a noticeable difference in yardage as well willie brown on corner is an interception machine!
I found that I liked having a gold safety and a gold pass rusher.
Then I'd use silver for my QB, RB, and WR1
Filled out the rest of the squad with bronzes
I would make my game with foot work and momentum as the engine also have importance of throwing with the stick with distance
2k8 is the best football game ever made, thus far.. 2k5 is the best NFL game.
Nigga no
the king of utub e what’s better?
Imagine if EA somehow got Exclusivity Rights to the NBA. I don't doubt for a second that they've looked into it. Oh, the horror! I like NBA Live 19 but that would be my worst nightmare. Competition spawns innovation.
They tried it in 05. David Stern said no.
Where you from? You say "wif" instead of with, like someone from the UK lol
Great video! Standing ovation! 👏
You have great video editing skills. I just subbed.
Brian Ariel thanks yo
Licensing exclusive league deals by game companies should be illegal in sports. EA is the worst. They have done so much damage to the industry in irreparable ways. Instead of stepping up their game, they eliminate the possibility of competition.
Exactly Monopolies in all aspects should be illegal
I'd probably still play it if they had a legitimate franchise mode (not just 1 season)
Also during the intro, i see you showing madden 12 selecting rhe develepor team. M12 is still my favorite madden and i still play it to this day because every madden made after doesn't meet my standards because m12 is so perfect in almost every way tooooo meeeeee
@William Almendarez for starters I've only played the demo of 13, and bought "25" and 18. The things i don't like: ragdoll glitch physics!!! Just about after every play, players will trip over others and almost teleport back up Slowwwww menus! Not to mention they're just about the same menu every year. Sorting players ratings! When you press the sort button, it freaking puts the low number on top. No one wants that.(just press it twice yeah i know, but it shouldn't be this way) Whenever you edit players in any madden that isn't 12, once you leave editing that player, it goes to all players. In m12, if you edited the 3rd player down of the DT, once you back out of editing that player, you go back to that player. And in 12 these are quick loads too. M12 just feels almost perfect to me in so many ways and every game after just takes good things out, 12 even has undrafted free agents that fill the roster to 75 and they normally look awwwwesome! That's just my opinion that they look awesome though. These are just few examples that i can't stand about newer maddens
2k 8 had throwing motions of all the past QBs that’s impressive madden doesn’t even have current QBs .. how sad is that man we can only hope this ends
My name is Kofi too, but with out the “e”
If they made an updated version of that football game on Sega, where there were teams made of skeletons and aliens, etc.
If not, just a "this isn't the NFL" nfl game. Everything fully customizable but nfl rules, Salary cap, etc.
They did make a new Mutant League Football on the Switch
dreamcastboy99filmz is back had no idea, and upon minimal research, I realized that, that game was a lot more arcade-y than I remember. For some reason I remembered it being just a skin of Madden with harder, more ridiculous hits!
@@3serio Actually the new Mutant League Football on Switch, Xbox, PS4, etc. is a spiritual successor not made by EA
I really loved all pro football I think if it had a solid season mode it could have really taken off but that season mode really was lackluster
People made Madden & EA the monstrosity that currently are by years and years of fanboying and playing with one eye closed.
Gold silver n broze: Raw talent
What are your thoughts on International players in the NFL?
I wish .. they would just make a generic football game for 2020
Simply put, there's no money in it. Football diehards will probably buy it for sure, but in 2ks eyes that probably not the biggest market.
Shipping it without a franchise Mode was one of the biggest mistakes in sports gaming history if not the biggest.
I really enjoyed nfl 2k5 and I still wish that they would bring back the NFL 2K games because it was a fun game and in certain aspects they were better games than Madden 💯
The fact that there isn't a new blitz or blitz clone is bonkers to me. You don't need NFL players or teams for it. Name the teams and players something over the top and have fun.
Great video awesome memories
Nice work on this video.
Graphically fundamentally mechanically and animation wise still the best football game EVER
5:00-7:00 almost shot myself... onto the gameplay!!
Yall remember mutant league? Yeah do that again please
Anyone know how the hell I can find this game on PC?? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
you ask waht game i woudl make without NCAA or NFL rights? Easy. AAF or XFL.
With the current deal with WWE games, I could see 2K putting out an XFL game in a couple years if it lasts more than a season.
They have funding secured for 4 seasons they arent going to flop like AAF
Atom Knight welp
Kofie Why? can you do a video on ESPN NFL2K5?!
This game was actually straight if the button layout was better it woulda been amazing
Another All Pro football game. With full customization and franchise and draft class and play up to a forty team league if you wanted to.And let it be total expansion.
bring back mutant league football or do like a key and peele football league or maybe a like celebrity football league with movie studio or director named teams or like a characters-that-don't-have-super-powers one like apollo creed or john mcclane (though off this one because i use to love disney's extreme skate adventure).
No love for NFL fever and XSN Sports :(
F for respect
Why is Sam Robert's narrating this video?
Doug fluity’s Maximum football...the game has so much promise! The graphics aren’t bad and the create a team is good. You can make your own logos or use the 100 something generic ones they have. And you can customize every player on the team they have a season mode will n shit....the gameplay is a lil rough but the 2020 game coming out in like 3 months is gonna be epic. They got create your own plays n shit....
It's a shame because this is one of the best football simulations of all time (better than 2K5 in my opinion), but without that license it was doomed. It also pushed Madden to do better resulting in the excellent Madden 08. Now Madden just stagnates and degenerates and the NFL doesn't care because people keep buying Madden.
Fuck it just let 2K make an Arena league game I'd be down for another one of those at this point.
Gold CB not realistic? Clearly you've never tried out Rod Woodson & Night Train Lane.
Do a video like this on backbreaker!
You liked Back Breaker?
Derek Andrews hell yeah, most fun I had playing a football game
Great video.
Kicking game was the best, you don't want a game where field goals are automatic like madden.