2K should just make an All-Pro 2020 and add simple skin template uploads for jerseys, logos, faces etc. The community will do the rest in _very_ short order.
They need to make " pro football simulator 2020 " then they can let the users make the teams and logos themselves while they start off with generic teams and uniforms build the game so that the community can help finish the game like they have with 2k8 I just believe that as a community if they gave us the tools we could finish the project and make it into something special
I'll still never forget the first time I got an INT in 2K8. It was on the sideline and as my DB was running it back I noticed that all of my teammates on the sideline reacted realistically. They started celebrating right after the pick and started cheering me on as I was returning it. Jumping up and down, waving towels, etc. This game would be near perfection with a Franchise Mode.
Yes, and in Madden, everyone on the field chases you no matter where they are on the field. I believe in either 2k5 or APF2k8, opponents would slow down and realize what a lost cause it would be to attempt to give chase. It was a really realistic and immersive experience.
Does nobody else remember that 2K5 not only blew anything else out of the water with gameplay and official ESPN licenced halftime shows with Chris Berman and the gang. But it only clocked in at $19.99 AT LAUNCH? GOAT sports game.
I smell a comeback soon. XFL 2K21 maybe? 🤔 Afterall 2K produces the WWE game. Give me XFL 2K with 8 teams. Team builder from NBA, customizable franchise mode with ability to plug in as many as 32 teams and change everything to match the NFL offseason. Also don't forget to add the cribs and first person view option again. This will be money
@@Hagia-Sofia-Must-Be-Restored To a degree. But the biggest difference between EA and 2K, is the effort. They still seem to care about improving the game, at least for ones they had developers in. (WWE being the only outlier) The effort EA put into the latest FIFA and Madden, on current gen consoles and PC, pales in comparison to even the effort 2K put into NBA2K2 for the Nintendo Switch alone.
I bought this game in 2009, played it only a few times and forgot about it. Just a few days ago I started playing it again. I realized how advanced it is for its time and now I'm hooked!
The wear and tear on the field, that hit me hard bro. I used to love seeing it get torn up during the course of a game, sadly, we will never see that again.
It’s an ABSOLUTE CRIME that Madden has rested on their exclusive license for so many years. EA has to do better, but I doubt they will. Great video as always. Keep it up.
The sad fact is this is why monopolies are normally illegal. If you're the only one that can produce something why would you make it any better make the same product charge the same price
BList Not just like that. You make the same thing, but make it shittier and charge whatever because you won’t have competition. Release it, nobody likes it but gets it anyway because you have no choice. EA doesn’t give a damn about consumer satisfaction. All they care is how to make the most money like a machine.
If NCAA 14, 2K5 and 2K8 were spliced you'd have a perfect football game. Ive got all of them. 2K8 plays the best on the field, needs 2K5 presentation, and road to glory and dynasty mode like in NCAA14. First person football wouldnt hurt either.
Give me the franchise and superstar mode from Madden 08 with 2k8's gameplay and the presentation from 2k5 and I'll never buy another football game again
Well, like a couple others have said, 2K went down the same route(NBA). However, if there is competition then there is actually reasons to improve so who knows how it would turn out?
@@netherwolf3012 there was competition, but they beat them too bad into hiding. (Nba Live) there is no monopoly like the EA/Nfl. EA just lost that battle and couldn’t make a better nba game and they gave up they basically also gave up with madden
@@Bidwellz9 he was talking about the unique way he escaped the pocket. He looks at the defenders and make a move to escape them. In Madden you can escape pressure, but it doesn't look very real. You move the quarterback away from the defenders while he blankly stares downfield and then gets sucked into a reach sack animation.
When our your house burnt down I lost my copy of 2K 8 and my PS3 still miss it to this day, love this, I loved how this game played . I was coached by Dave Wilcox who is in this game he was always on my team, he shuts the run down lol
can you maybe help too? Im needing this achievement "We are the Champions" so i get get the 5 abilities for my gold guys for xbox? need to win a league or tourny.
Imagine an updated version with improved graphics and physics, lighting effects, and an updated roster to reflect all the greats who have retired and gone to Canton in the breach.
All I want is a new all pro football with a longer franchise mode. Can you guys imagine if they get 2000s retired players on it like Brady, Tomlinson, Manning, Ocho, Peterson, Gonzales, Rivers, polamalu etc… that would be epic!!!!
@@Richard-ks5fg I'm not in a position to judge...but I can see when someone is trying to garner an audience by appealing to internet trolls. Madden has flaws that should be pointed out, but sometimes it gets quite petty. Like complaining about the injury animation. In that video adrian Peterson injured his left hand, and moody criticized that he slammed his helmet...when he did it with his right hand. Those are just nitpicks and you can definitely nitpick 2k5 if you want. When you play on turf, the field looks like trash by the end of the game...when its turf. They miss uniforms that madden had...like the cowboys 1995 blue throwback (although they had the white version from 1994). They didnt have a create a team. And the postgame show was all over the place. There is a video where a guy plays Dallas vs New York to a 10-10 tie. At the end of the game, berman says Dallas wins 10-10 and in the recap he says New York wins 10-10. Also you cant choose the uniform of your opponent in franchise mode like you can in madden. And these issues werent new...they carried over from previous 2k installments.
If 2K5 would have had the same mechanics and animations as 2K8 It would by far be the best game ever made and I personally believe If they would have had 2K6 Madden really would have been In trouble because 2005 Is when the Madden Franchise pretty much wasn't straight up with us about how 06 was going to look on next gen. Imagine 2K6 on ps3 and x-box 360. Imagine that game
Dude I think I watch this video at least once a week and I don't have a clue why, plus I've already got the game AND the roster editor lol. It's likely a credit to what a great job you did with it (and your other videos). I probably enjoy the great storytelling and dope visuals. Great job!
I would pay the price of a new console for a 2k copy of All Pro Football 2k20 with all 32 teams completely customizable and a franchise mode. The only reason I play 2k5 over this is because of the limitations in 2k8. Its EA's fault but 2k really dropped the ball and rushed this out. Gameplay is amazing though. Love your videos, one minor gripe... Madden 17 did initially have a pretty damn good strip sack that was removed in a patch, the same patch that installed a stupid running back move that made them slow down and juke in the open field. EA sucks. Last Madden I bought used. Haven't bought Madden new since 25. Thanks for the roster link I'll check it out. I love 2k8 but playing it always depresses me because I think of what could have been.
This game came out at the wrong time. Madden was arguably at its peak and this game had no game modes outside of play now and season. If All Pro dropped today with more features it would sell like hotcakes
If the CPU AI in 2k5 didn't suck so bad, I would still be playing that franchise mode. They just feed you turnovers because they rush throws to avoid sacks, and they only throw bullet passes
@@kylefunderburk4194 they should have skipped the expensive legend system and gave us a totally customizable system where you can generate players the same way you can with the APFE but with a cap on how many points you can assign to player ratings for the whole team, like a salary cap. Legends were cool and they feel different, yes, but at the same time they essentially played the same because the tier system created a bum, good, very good, and great caste of players but didn't give varied and flawed players they way you had in 2k5. You wouldn't have to choose between giving the ball to Tiki Barber a lot (50 fumble rating) and Ron Dayne (70 overall but 90 secure ball), or playing Kerry Collins (7 fumble rating and 50 speed) and Rich Gannon (higher fumble rating and speed and consistency but weak arm), or playing Deshaun Foster (higher speed and break tackle animations that were much faster) or Stephen Davis (more consistent broken tackles but slower animations and speed) the 2k8 editor finally lets people create a very diverse assortment of teams
It would be nice if 2K made an updated version of All Pro Football with fully customized teams, the stadiums from the original APF2K8 with new stadiums and the customizable uniforms for the next gen consoles. Add online play and franchise modes and I'm pre ordering the game. But unfortunately that may never happen, but one can pray for it.
i probably put about 3000 games into it and i havent played it in like 10 years. lol It was a fun time no doubt. I dont even bother with sports games anymore. EA has killed the sports game genre for me!
@eric studer would you be into helping me get this achievement "We are the Champions" so i get get the 5 abilities for my gold guys for xbox? need to win a league or tourny. I need this..pleeease lol
Thanks for the love man. Yes! 2k8 is still my go to game til this day, since day one. Madden can have the cheese and and unrealistic expectations they can’t let go. All Pro 2k8 will remain the best football game ever. If there is anyone who wants to become a better football player, 2k8 will be film for you with any positions. Thanks Soft Drink Tv,
Really nice video! One suggestion: maybe add a bit more in-game footage? Like, with the HUD up, playing it normally. It'd help those of us unfortunate enough to never play give us more of a sense of the game!
I just ordered this game off of Amazon yesterday! I've been watching you for awhile! Keep up the great content man! I'm huge a fan of your work! I haven't played a football game since Madden 19! I was sucked in the false hope spectrum that madden would change! And I cane from the Golden Era of Madden! Thank you for snapping me back! One love! ✊🏾💯
Best football ever!!! Especially from a “fundamental” standpoint... The only thing I wish Javo could put in his editor is the ability to add plays and change the rules to the current NFL version
Frederick Dorsey yeah when I was a kid there was so much more competition, I haven’t bought madden in over 3 years and I don’t think I’ll over buy it again
That's not accurate...2K Sports could buy an NFL license and make another game if they could afford it. EA is the only company who can afford the license and is willing to make a game ;)
AEROTRAP They have enough to purchase the license but as of now they’re not “willing,” as I mentioned before Because along with the license, they have to pay to make the game itself which would take years. And there’s no guarantee they would make a profit after buying all that Maybe in the future if people keep trashing Madden the way they have been 2K will consider though😂
LOVED the video man!!! Great points. I would have thrown in the Challenge system of 2k5 and APF too! Great job man and thanks!!! Next. I know it would be a quicky but I would love to see a Backbreaker video like this one.
Hey man - I dunno if you read your comments but I just wanted to say thank you for making this channel. I'm someone who's been a hardcore sports / sports gaming fan dating back to the early 2000s. I've been on forums like Operation Sports and we've collectively bashed our skulls in with year after year of disappointment with our franchise modes (whether it be Madden, FIFA, or NHL) - and only NBA2k has really satisfied that thirst with their magnificent MyLeague (which sadly doesn't get enough attention cuz people are obsessed with MyCareer) Nonetheless, I remember getting All-Pro Football 2k8 when it came out, got it on Xbox 360, and I STILL have fond memories of playing it to this day. It's been 5+ years but this was a wonderful trip down memory lane. I remember LOVING Ricky Watters as my silver star running back. The smoothness of the gameplay just feels completely counter to what Madden has become in recent years. Keep up the good fight. It feels awesome to finally have a video game critic who covers sports games now!
And the funniest thing to me is when people say NBA 2K is just as bad or worse than Madden. LMAOOOO. They can complain all they want about NBA 2K's monetization exploits, but gameplay wise, Madden isn't even in the same universe as NBA 2K. The same goes for franchise mode for both games.
Hey man I really really appreciated this video. As a huge fan of 2K5 and 2K8 (which never gets any love) it was a joy to watch. Safe to assume you're looking forward to the new 'arcade' 2K football game that's around the corner as I am. This was such a great love letter to what could be with 2K regaining the license.
I can't play 2k8 for more than a day everytime i revisit it because it doesn't have a franchise type mode 😭 i mainly play sports games to build teams for the future But damn it sure is amazing WOAHWOAHWOAH WHAT??? Well obviously i gotta check out king javo!!! Thanks for the video and information
I play the beast, the werewolves, the sharks, and the legends all the time. The other night I had a 48-45 barnburner I lost to the werewolves cuz I let up a kick return TD after scoring with 10 seconds left. I also let up a kick return TD after scoring with like 15 seconds to go in the first half. And let up an opening kickoff TD return. It would have been the best game of all time if it were real life.
because madden hasnt updated its character models since 2009, just stretching different slightly higher res textures over em every year, and the animations in 2k8 are ten times more realistic and detailed than madden 20
The animations in Madden suck. I mean many are nice on a vacuum but the way they all trigger in game makes everything feel a bit random and completely unrealistic.
Best football game ever created gameplay wise. not deep but each stadium feels like its part for the show. the dynamic weather and field conditions. list goes on. Playing at the house with a buddy super immersive. felt like your playing in a movie
I remember going out of town with my family and going with my dad into a GameStop, probably around 2011. I’d never heard of this game, but it looked awesome to me, plus it was only $7, so I got it pretty easily lol. I still play it too this day, and I agree, one of the best football games ever easily. Here’s hoping 2k eventually gets another try, because the potential is just too insane.
Just seeing the name of this video put "Tom Sawyer" in my head. A modern day warrior, mean mean stride, today's Tom Sawyer, mean mean pride... duh duh duhduh
They don't give a shit, obviously. They only care about the bottom line, which to be fair is kind of the point of corporations. Their approach is to have the dev team spend as little as possible, then make as much as possible. This is why Madden barely has any new features, and largely is the same year after year, with few improvements: they don't get the budget to completely overhaul the game.
The gameplay and attention to detail was top notch and hasn't been duplicated, but the game had its flaws. Only having a single season mode was very disappointing, and creating a team within the same format got dull. It would have been so cool to create a team with 11 gold star players, or with a different combination of stars. I will definitely check out Javo's site, though.
So awesome!! I’m thankful I still have this game🙏🏾. Just a shame EA hasn’t been able to keep up..maybe next generation 🙏🏾. Atleast I can still play 2k8, thanks for a great video. Your vids are always on point
Since 2k has been gone, and with no end to the NFl license being owned by EA with Madden, I always prayed that the team from Visual Concepts would get picked up by EA, and fix the Madden franchise. Oh well, seems like Madden will forever be busted. Good video! I may check out some of these updates for 2k8. I still play NFL2k2 on Dreamcast and am blown away how the animations look better than this gens Madden to me. I do however still enjoy Madden 98 on my Saturn
UK here. Played Madden since 02 and the year I visited family in Geneva, NY my uncle was playing this game and showed me it. I was blown away by how good it was. My favourite NFL games were and are still 2004, 2008 (ps2) and 2010. I could never find a copy of this in the UK even though it was available over here on PS3
“I can just get this game at GameStop for $2.99” Or you can be like me and buy it for $55 on Amazon because all the GameStops don’t have it where you live
Beautiful video. I started watching football 5 years ago so i was only able to play madden 16-20.. I always raged about how unrealistically madden is and now I found out about this game. So beautiful to look at. And I just wish I could witness anything like that in the future. Thanks again for the video.
The animation transitions and physics are actually amazing, wow. I hope 2K makes another NFL game (sim style) before I die. I can't bring myself to buy Madden anymore
Great video! If you love this game, you definitely should check out the SFL. It's a great APF2K8 community over there. Keep making these type videos. Never know who's gonna see this and decide to make something happen
My homies and I still play 2K5 to this day. Nothing like it. Man this video just makes me realize how many details madden 20 lacks and to be honest I don’t think EA will ever change or try to make a better madden.
What game would you guys like to see a retrospective on next?
Madden NFL 04
Nascar 05 or Nascar 07 would be sweet
I was actually planning on a NASCAR 05 video!
The original Joe Montana football on sega genesis and how they dumbed it down to create the first Madden on the console.
Nice work!!!
Imagine if 2K could get a deal with NCAA Football
Cole Ortner Don’t do that, don’t give me hope, that can be the best thing to ever happen to football gaming
EA would be officially done in the football market if that happened; and I really would love this to happen; shots out to Trip Hawkins!!!
That would be amazing
2k made a NCAA football game. It was terrible
@@commonsenseability true and that was in the past, yet EA makes terrible games in the present so...
2K should just make an All-Pro 2020 and add simple skin template uploads for jerseys, logos, faces etc. The community will do the rest in _very_ short order.
Marshon MVP King they got permission back then too.....
Mannn...u said it. At this point all gamers are mini-programmers anyway..2k8 is unbelievably realisticin comparison
They need to make " pro football simulator 2020 " then they can let the users make the teams and logos themselves while they start off with generic teams and uniforms build the game so that the community can help finish the game like they have with 2k8
I just believe that as a community if they gave us the tools we could finish the project and make it into something special
They could do it without legends, Could just made an entire generic league if they wanted to, but allow it to be highly custamizable.
@@lionslicer9999 exactly my point just just worded much better lol
I'll still never forget the first time I got an INT in 2K8. It was on the sideline and as my DB was running it back I noticed that all of my teammates on the sideline reacted realistically. They started celebrating right after the pick and started cheering me on as I was returning it. Jumping up and down, waving towels, etc.
This game would be near perfection with a Franchise Mode.
Yes, and in Madden, everyone on the field chases you no matter where they are on the field. I believe in either 2k5 or APF2k8, opponents would slow down and realize what a lost cause it would be to attempt to give chase. It was a really realistic and immersive experience.
Can you help me get an achievement in this game Twigg?
@@bobertislam69 Which achievement? I don't even have them all.
Twigg4075 the one where you need to win an online tourny or league, i think 4 people are needed in total. Do you know anyone else who plays?
@@bobertislam69 Unfortunately I do not. You might want to try the site operationsports.com
5:10 is incredible. How he flips his head around to track the ball is beautiful.
Does nobody else remember that 2K5 not only blew anything else out of the water with gameplay and official ESPN licenced halftime shows with Chris Berman and the gang. But it only clocked in at $19.99 AT LAUNCH?
GOAT sports game.
You're forgetting about the braindead QB and DB AI.
@@YeomannnLol, nothing like my DBs randomly turning around and running the opposite direction against Hail Marys
@@3headedsnake388 Yup or Peyton Manning and Tom Brady throwing into triple coverage.
Jesus loves you repent of your sins. And turn To Jesus with faith and trust Roman’s 10:9
@@Yeomannn Jesus loves you repent of your sins. And turn To Jesus with faith and trust Roman’s 10:9
Omg the movement on this game is beautiful
It really is. So fluid.
It’s amazing imagine with new graphics holy shit
I smell a comeback soon. XFL 2K21 maybe? 🤔 Afterall 2K produces the WWE game.
Give me XFL 2K with 8 teams. Team builder from NBA, customizable franchise mode with ability to plug in as many as 32 teams and change everything to match the NFL offseason. Also don't forget to add the cribs and first person view option again. This will be money
won't happen. XFL will fail within two years. Vince is struggling with the current WWE product and he will put the WWE over the XFL.
DJ Skandalous please don't get my hopes up! Lol!
This would be a must buy on PS5
I've been waiting since 2008. I gave up. Don't get your hopes up.
DJ Skandalous hell yes that would be amazing
Gameplay is the most important factor, 2k8 replicates what we see on Saturdays and Sundays. Great video.
Rainy days on 2k8 sucked so bad lol slipping all over the place
Olivia Benson and that’s the experience i want videogames to have
John Green-Trujillo you mean...a realistic experience of gameplay *gasp*
@@johnmorales6281 yes. But has better effects than even FIFA 22.
@@SCSAsJorts 👍👍
If 2K tried this today, the game would sell like hotcakes and Madden would go under.
Facts
I would love to see madden go to hell and go under
Not reallly, 2K games is trash nowadays just like EA Games is, because people keep buying these new shitty microtransactions infested games
@@Hagia-Sofia-Must-Be-Restored To a degree. But the biggest difference between EA and 2K, is the effort. They still seem to care about improving the game, at least for ones they had developers in. (WWE being the only outlier) The effort EA put into the latest FIFA and Madden, on current gen consoles and PC, pales in comparison to even the effort 2K put into NBA2K2 for the Nintendo Switch alone.
I agree. Madden is actually getting worse!!
I bought this game in 2009, played it only a few times and forgot about it. Just a few days ago I started playing it again. I realized how advanced it is for its time and now I'm hooked!
Jesus loves you repent of your sins. And turn To Jesus with faith and trust Roman’s 10:9
Took this game for granted when it came out
Really wish the NFL was SMART and gave the license to 2k
FerdyGames imo it all came down to John maddens name and his legacy.
@@boogiesmula559 yeah
I swear I thought he died in 2014 this is Mandela effect
@@boogiesmula559 madden is alive
@@boogiesmula559 and the fact that they wanted more $$$. They didn't want NFL games being sold for cheap like how 2k5 was.
Remember how on 2K5 u could integrate ur own personal music for sacks, 1st downs, touchdowns, etc from DLd CDs?! Game had EVERYTHING
NCAA Football had that feature in 2009 or 2010 (I forget which year). You could set custom music to a number of different triggers in the game.
Sadly this was an Xbox exclusive feature because the system had the ability to rip your CDs like iTunes or Windows Media Player.
I loved that about 2k5 it was insane, madden doesn't compare
@@skillracoonful yep and 3D wrinkles in the jerseys and sweat were also xbox only features too
@@wisey105i think thats NCAA FOOTBALL 11.
Does anyone else like how the players run?? Just me??
Nahhh... the way they run with the football is flawless and smooth, but madden wanna be stiff af for some reason
@joshcote also like how all players don't look like insects by the legs #bringbck2k
I played the shit out of 2K5 back in the day. I absolutely loved the wear and tear on the field.
The wear and tear on the field, that hit me hard bro. I used to love seeing it get torn up during the course of a game, sadly, we will never see that again.
It’s an ABSOLUTE CRIME that Madden has rested on their exclusive license for so many years. EA has to do better, but I doubt they will.
Great video as always. Keep it up.
The sad fact is this is why monopolies are normally illegal. If you're the only one that can produce something why would you make it any better make the same product charge the same price
BList Not just like that. You make the same thing, but make it shittier and charge whatever because you won’t have competition. Release it, nobody likes it but gets it anyway because you have no choice. EA doesn’t give a damn about consumer satisfaction. All they care is how to make the most money like a machine.
@@BlueBlur24 lmao 2k dont give a fuck about the consumer either
People need to stop buying Madden. All the fools pre-order.
@@schmoove_ Yeah Timmy? They sure care about putting out an ACTUAL football game.
If NCAA 14, 2K5 and 2K8 were spliced you'd have a perfect football game. Ive got all of them. 2K8 plays the best on the field, needs 2K5 presentation, and road to glory and dynasty mode like in NCAA14. First person football wouldnt hurt either.
Give me the franchise and superstar mode from Madden 08 with 2k8's gameplay and the presentation from 2k5 and I'll never buy another football game again
How about madden 19 graphics 2k8 gameplay and 2k5 presentation
Yo! any way you would kindly help me get the "We are the Champions" achievement? Really wanting to get those 5 abilities for my gold star guys.
The fact that people think the animations in NCAA 14 were good are dumb
@@danielberretta1833 *is dumb*
This game was sick. Here's hoping for a 2k XFL game 🤞
Damn corona
Well, like a couple others have said, 2K went down the same route(NBA). However, if there is competition then there is actually reasons to improve so who knows how it would turn out?
@@netherwolf3012 EA still has nba licences
@@netherwolf3012 there was competition, but they beat them too bad into hiding. (Nba Live) there is no monopoly like the EA/Nfl. EA just lost that battle and couldn’t make a better nba game and they gave up they basically also gave up with madden
@@_Mikeebeed_NBA LIVE has been dead even since NBA LIVE 19.
This video is just depressing. The madden exclusive deal set football video games back decades.
Aged well even in August 2024, man.
7:05 Steve McNair escapes the pocket animation is enough for me to say it beats Madden.
It looked real
guess what you can do in madden, move the stick left then right and what do you think happens??? lol you guessed the same damn thing lol
Bidwellz9 hell nah madden u gone get sucked into a sack animation dick head🤣don’t to this to the heart
@@Bidwellz9 he was talking about the unique way he escaped the pocket. He looks at the defenders and make a move to escape them. In Madden you can escape pressure, but it doesn't look very real. You move the quarterback away from the defenders while he blankly stares downfield and then gets sucked into a reach sack animation.
@@joshhiggs3961 facts, facts!
💯...please school 'em
I was waiting for this to drop!
You should have many more subs!
When our your house burnt down I lost my copy of 2K 8 and my PS3 still miss it to this day, love this, I loved how this game played . I was coached by Dave Wilcox who is in this game he was always on my team, he shuts the run down lol
great video. some Madden player's don't want the game to be real as possible. and that's sad, because some are leading the community.
@5:10 Da way da reciever looked for da ball in da air was so 🔥...madden would never 😂🤦🏾♂️
This is a nearly two year old vid, but I come back every few months and watch it again and again. I just love this game and the retrospective you did!
Your insight made me buy it, now I play it every time I can, What a game
Any idea if the online servers work, can you find an online match?
can you maybe help too? Im needing this achievement "We are the Champions" so i get get the 5 abilities for my gold guys for xbox? need to win a league or tourny.
Imagine an updated version with improved graphics and physics, lighting effects, and an updated roster to reflect all the greats who have retired and gone to Canton in the breach.
If this game got the same treatment as "2k5 resurrected".. it'd be a horrible day for madden.
This game and 2K5 are still better than Madden 20 lol. That's a damn shame
I wanna cry every time I watch this.....damn I miss 2K football!!!
All I want is a new all pro football with a longer franchise mode. Can you guys imagine if they get 2000s retired players on it like Brady, Tomlinson, Manning, Ocho, Peterson, Gonzales, Rivers, polamalu etc… that would be epic!!!!
Imagine also if we got 2025 NFL Real life season roster in APF 2K8.
To this day, NFL 2K5 still beats Madden 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤣
I swear when I play madden it's like I'm playing a script it's trash imo
Penny the Wise amen brother
@@mkratos17 that's cause you watch a bunch of Ryan moody videos.
Benjamin Peters so are you saying it isn’t trash??
@@Richard-ks5fg I'm not in a position to judge...but I can see when someone is trying to garner an audience by appealing to internet trolls. Madden has flaws that should be pointed out, but sometimes it gets quite petty. Like complaining about the injury animation. In that video adrian Peterson injured his left hand, and moody criticized that he slammed his helmet...when he did it with his right hand. Those are just nitpicks and you can definitely nitpick 2k5 if you want. When you play on turf, the field looks like trash by the end of the game...when its turf. They miss uniforms that madden had...like the cowboys 1995 blue throwback (although they had the white version from 1994). They didnt have a create a team. And the postgame show was all over the place. There is a video where a guy plays Dallas vs New York to a 10-10 tie. At the end of the game, berman says Dallas wins 10-10 and in the recap he says New York wins 10-10. Also you cant choose the uniform of your opponent in franchise mode like you can in madden. And these issues werent new...they carried over from previous 2k installments.
If 2K5 would have had the same mechanics and animations as 2K8 It would by far be the best game ever made and I personally believe If they would have had 2K6 Madden really would have been In trouble because 2005 Is when the Madden Franchise pretty much wasn't straight up with us about how 06 was going to look on next gen. Imagine 2K6 on ps3 and x-box 360. Imagine that game
Dude I think I watch this video at least once a week and I don't have a clue why, plus I've already got the game AND the roster editor lol. It's likely a credit to what a great job you did with it (and your other videos). I probably enjoy the great storytelling and dope visuals. Great job!
Same here 😭
I bought this game after watching you're Madden 19 video. This game is great. Way better than any current Madden game. I paid 5$ for it.
I remember when I was 12 or 13, I got an XBOX 360 for christmas and the very first game I ever got for it was APF 2k8 and I loved it!
I would pay the price of a new console for a 2k copy of All Pro Football 2k20 with all 32 teams completely customizable and a franchise mode. The only reason I play 2k5 over this is because of the limitations in 2k8. Its EA's fault but 2k really dropped the ball and rushed this out. Gameplay is amazing though. Love your videos, one minor gripe... Madden 17 did initially have a pretty damn good strip sack that was removed in a patch, the same patch that installed a stupid running back move that made them slow down and juke in the open field. EA sucks. Last Madden I bought used. Haven't bought Madden new since 25. Thanks for the roster link I'll check it out. I love 2k8 but playing it always depresses me because I think of what could have been.
This game came out at the wrong time. Madden was arguably at its peak and this game had no game modes outside of play now and season. If All Pro dropped today with more features it would sell like hotcakes
If the CPU AI in 2k5 didn't suck so bad, I would still be playing that franchise mode. They just feed you turnovers because they rush throws to avoid sacks, and they only throw bullet passes
They probably should have waited a year and used the extra time for an even better creation suite, and a way to make a franchise mode that made sense.
@@kylefunderburk4194 they should have skipped the expensive legend system and gave us a totally customizable system where you can generate players the same way you can with the APFE but with a cap on how many points you can assign to player ratings for the whole team, like a salary cap.
Legends were cool and they feel different, yes, but at the same time they essentially played the same because the tier system created a bum, good, very good, and great caste of players but didn't give varied and flawed players they way you had in 2k5. You wouldn't have to choose between giving the ball to Tiki Barber a lot (50 fumble rating) and Ron Dayne (70 overall but 90 secure ball), or playing Kerry Collins (7 fumble rating and 50 speed) and Rich Gannon (higher fumble rating and speed and consistency but weak arm), or playing Deshaun Foster (higher speed and break tackle animations that were much faster) or Stephen Davis (more consistent broken tackles but slower animations and speed)
the 2k8 editor finally lets people create a very diverse assortment of teams
It would be nice if 2K made an updated version of All Pro Football with fully customized teams, the stadiums from the original APF2K8 with new stadiums and the customizable uniforms for the next gen consoles. Add online play and franchise modes and I'm pre ordering the game. But unfortunately that may never happen, but one can pray for it.
ive got over 2000 games of apf under my belt. only game i have ever played for over 10 years straight
i probably put about 3000 games into it and i havent played it in like 10 years. lol It was a fun time no doubt. I dont even bother with sports games anymore. EA has killed the sports game genre for me!
@eric studer would you be into helping me get this achievement "We are the Champions" so i get get the 5 abilities for my gold guys for xbox? need to win a league or tourny. I need this..pleeease lol
could you maybe help me too? im really needing this achievment and I can get the other 6 I need by myself.
Never got to play it or 2k5 could someone give me their review on the game pls respond🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@gxwwrestling4413the game does a very good job of simulating real football. My only negative on it is there is no franchise mode.
Thanks for the love man. Yes! 2k8 is still my go to game til this day, since day one. Madden can have the cheese and and unrealistic expectations they can’t let go. All Pro 2k8 will remain the best football game ever.
If there is anyone who wants to become a better football player, 2k8 will be film for you with any positions.
Thanks Soft Drink Tv,
Here 5yrs later still my 🐐
This is one of my favorite channels..love the content
Almost brought a tear to my eye
there at the end😢
Really nice video! One suggestion: maybe add a bit more in-game footage? Like, with the HUD up, playing it normally. It'd help those of us unfortunate enough to never play give us more of a sense of the game!
I just ordered this game off of Amazon yesterday! I've been watching you for awhile! Keep up the great content man! I'm huge a fan of your work! I haven't played a football game since Madden 19! I was sucked in the false hope spectrum that madden would change! And I cane from the Golden Era of Madden! Thank you for snapping me back! One love! ✊🏾💯
Best football ever!!! Especially from a “fundamental” standpoint...
The only thing I wish Javo could put in his editor is the ability to add plays and change the rules to the current NFL version
It’s so sad EA got scared and took over
Frederick Dorsey yeah when I was a kid there was so much more competition, I haven’t bought madden in over 3 years and I don’t think I’ll over buy it again
They were mad. NFL 2K was selling for like 20-30 bucks that year and it was a better game than that years Madden.
Blame the NFL
That's not accurate...2K Sports could buy an NFL license and make another game if they could afford it. EA is the only company who can afford the license and is willing to make a game ;)
AEROTRAP They have enough to purchase the license but as of now they’re not “willing,” as I mentioned before
Because along with the license, they have to pay to make the game itself which would take years. And there’s no guarantee they would make a profit after buying all that
Maybe in the future if people keep trashing Madden the way they have been 2K will consider though😂
LOVED the video man!!! Great points. I would have thrown in the Challenge system of 2k5 and APF too! Great job man and thanks!!! Next. I know it would be a quicky but I would love to see a Backbreaker video like this one.
Even rise and fall of Gameday, I would watch that, they were the first ones that featured real time injuries back in 1997.
Hey man - I dunno if you read your comments but I just wanted to say thank you for making this channel. I'm someone who's been a hardcore sports / sports gaming fan dating back to the early 2000s. I've been on forums like Operation Sports and we've collectively bashed our skulls in with year after year of disappointment with our franchise modes (whether it be Madden, FIFA, or NHL) - and only NBA2k has really satisfied that thirst with their magnificent MyLeague (which sadly doesn't get enough attention cuz people are obsessed with MyCareer)
Nonetheless, I remember getting All-Pro Football 2k8 when it came out, got it on Xbox 360, and I STILL have fond memories of playing it to this day. It's been 5+ years but this was a wonderful trip down memory lane. I remember LOVING Ricky Watters as my silver star running back. The smoothness of the gameplay just feels completely counter to what Madden has become in recent years.
Keep up the good fight. It feels awesome to finally have a video game critic who covers sports games now!
Thanks man
And the funniest thing to me is when people say NBA 2K is just as bad or worse than Madden. LMAOOOO. They can complain all they want about NBA 2K's monetization exploits, but gameplay wise, Madden isn't even in the same universe as NBA 2K. The same goes for franchise mode for both games.
2k5 and all-pro football 2k8 best football games ever!
Hey man I really really appreciated this video. As a huge fan of 2K5 and 2K8 (which never gets any love) it was a joy to watch. Safe to assume you're looking forward to the new 'arcade' 2K football game that's around the corner as I am.
This was such a great love letter to what could be with 2K regaining the license.
I can't play 2k8 for more than a day everytime i revisit it because it doesn't have a franchise type mode 😭 i mainly play sports games to build teams for the future
But damn it sure is amazing
WOAHWOAHWOAH WHAT??? Well obviously i gotta check out king javo!!! Thanks for the video and information
And it's free I think
I play the beast, the werewolves, the sharks, and the legends all the time. The other night I had a 48-45 barnburner I lost to the werewolves cuz I let up a kick return TD after scoring with 10 seconds left. I also let up a kick return TD after scoring with like 15 seconds to go in the first half. And let up an opening kickoff TD return. It would have been the best game of all time if it were real life.
The online was juking until the servers shut down
Yeah I’m never buying a EA sports game again! Last one I bought was madden 18! Passed on 19/20
MRbossman1982 smart man
Same here!
Me to
My last Madden was 16 but i only play 13 from now on, garbage game goddamn.
Maybe bcuz you suck at Madden! Jajajajaja
Nice vid. I've been waiting for someone to make an in-depth video about this game.
We can keep these games alive. Together.
I think the graphics in 2k8 are better than Madden idk why.
because madden hasnt updated its character models since 2009, just stretching different slightly higher res textures over em every year, and the animations in 2k8 are ten times more realistic and detailed than madden 20
Dratix Gaming they look crisper somehow
Madden the players look like smooth round balls.
The animations in Madden suck. I mean many are nice on a vacuum but the way they all trigger in game makes everything feel a bit random and completely unrealistic.
Adrian Arenas yup. #NFLDropEA
This game was so much fun. I played it so much trying to get the right team balance. I just bought it off eBay and can't wait to play it again
Wouldnt it be nice if Madden actually had a sense of pride and actually, you know, tried for once?
Hurts me to say this, but if they don't have any competition, they won't be trying.
Even the create a team is trash now
they don't care and now they are into the micro transactions which is RIP MADDEN FOREVER. WE NEED NFL 2k2022
Everything bout dis game is 🔥....da movements was so on point
Best football game ever created gameplay wise. not deep but each stadium feels like its part for the show. the dynamic weather and field conditions. list goes on. Playing at the house with a buddy super immersive. felt like your playing in a movie
I remember going out of town with my family and going with my dad into a GameStop, probably around 2011. I’d never heard of this game, but it looked awesome to me, plus it was only $7, so I got it pretty easily lol. I still play it too this day, and I agree, one of the best football games ever easily. Here’s hoping 2k eventually gets another try, because the potential is just too insane.
That's sad that apf 2k8, - heck even espn 2k5 has better weather than what we get out of madden 19 and most likely 20
I miss this game so much
Runs circles over madden. The G.O..A.T. 2knfl
Great video man. This game was also my most favorite football game of all time. I really wish more people supported it.
Absolutely loved All-Pro Football, definitely doesn’t get the respect it deserves. Great job putting the spotlight on it.
Just seeing the name of this video put "Tom Sawyer" in my head.
A modern day warrior, mean mean stride, today's Tom Sawyer, mean mean pride... duh duh duhduh
I wonder how EA sports feels about this? Like everyone knows 2k is better.
They don't give a shit, obviously. They only care about the bottom line, which to be fair is kind of the point of corporations. Their approach is to have the dev team spend as little as possible, then make as much as possible. This is why Madden barely has any new features, and largely is the same year after year, with few improvements: they don't get the budget to completely overhaul the game.
They don’t give a fuck lol they got your money
I wish they would just remaster this. I was so disappointed that it didn’t make it into XB1’s backwards compatibility program.
I know, I kept looking for it myself. I ended up buying a used original X-Box & NFL 2K 5 to play it again!
@@bobs.381 gonna end up doing the same
If anyone seen Randall Cunningham play football QB he was , the simulation on here is damn near on point on how he throws the ball .
👍🏿👍🏿 "You will not find a better football game than 2k8."
The best line of this video!
I love your channel. I have bought several of the games you have featured. Keep up the great work!
you won't be disappointed in this one!
I still remember my team. Philly Outlaws. Earl Campbell, Too Tall Jones, Deacon Jones and Randall Cunningham was the QB
The gameplay was amazing, hands down the best gameplay in a football game.
I bought this game the first day it came out. And it is still the best game I've played by far.
Beautifully and well put together a presentation of this game! you share all my points of interest in this forgotten franchise.
Long Live 2K Football
“It’s a video game it’s not going to be perfect”
That’s true...
Still doesn’t make madden fun
The gameplay and attention to detail was top notch and hasn't been duplicated, but the game had its flaws. Only having a single season mode was very disappointing, and creating a team within the same format got dull. It would have been so cool to create a team with 11 gold star players, or with a different combination of stars. I will definitely check out Javo's site, though.
So awesome!! I’m thankful I still have this game🙏🏾. Just a shame EA hasn’t been able to keep up..maybe next generation 🙏🏾. Atleast I can still play 2k8, thanks for a great video. Your vids are always on point
Since 2k has been gone, and with no end to the NFl license being owned by EA with Madden, I always prayed that the team from Visual Concepts would get picked up by EA, and fix the Madden franchise. Oh well, seems like Madden will forever be busted. Good video! I may check out some of these updates for 2k8. I still play NFL2k2 on Dreamcast and am blown away how the animations look better than this gens Madden to me. I do however still enjoy Madden 98 on my Saturn
UK here. Played Madden since 02 and the year I visited family in Geneva, NY my uncle was playing this game and showed me it. I was blown away by how good it was. My favourite NFL games were and are still 2004, 2008 (ps2) and 2010. I could never find a copy of this in the UK even though it was available over here on PS3
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“I can just get this game at GameStop for $2.99”
Or you can be like me and buy it for $55 on Amazon because all the GameStops don’t have it where you live
Ouch lol. I got lucky at my gamestop for 5.99
Mine for $25 on Mercari; bought and never played, practically brand spanking new!
I know what that's like...no gamestop anywhere near me has it for anything
I got it from a mom and pop game store for like $2
aaaaand I found a copy at a local game store/arcade for $15
I’m sharing this vid in my discord
I still play this game now. Defiantly holds up. I love it. Never gets old. Less glitches and better movements than Madden lol.
Beautiful video. I started watching football 5 years ago so i was only able to play madden 16-20.. I always raged about how unrealistically madden is and now I found out about this game. So beautiful to look at. And I just wish I could witness anything like that in the future. Thanks again for the video.
Absolutely brilliant. This is still the best football game, hands down.
All Hail KingJavo. Might need to dust off the old 360 and download his new roster editor...
"Dark Lord of the gaming industry" LOLOL
Madden - looks like real football
All Pro - is real football
Keyboard full of truth my friend!!
Madden doesn't EVEN look like real football :/
The animation transitions and physics are actually amazing, wow. I hope 2K makes another NFL game (sim style) before I die. I can't bring myself to buy Madden anymore
😫 all pro 2k8 thowing animations all animations so flawless
Only paid $1 for this game best dollar I've ever spent
Great video! If you love this game, you definitely should check out the SFL. It's a great APF2K8 community over there. Keep making these type videos. Never know who's gonna see this and decide to make something happen
How is it that a game made years ago looks smoother and more realistic than a brand new game
My homies and I still play 2K5 to this day. Nothing like it. Man this video just makes me realize how many details madden 20 lacks and to be honest I don’t think EA will ever change or try to make a better madden.
8:22 as his body moves like he's made of jello 😂 and the strip sacks had me dying . QB just stares down at the ball like "damn..."
man i missed this games😔😔
You put in 2k8 listen to Tom Sawyer on the load up screen and play as oj Simpson why it’s the best game
There is also a simulation league that uses this game!
The best football gameplay ever, and it’s not even close. It’s realistic.
My favorite football game of all time! Might be one of my favorite game of all time too!
Damn i miss the days where people were in the lobbies.. Me and the guys would be in the lab all day trying to figure out ability combos / schemes lol