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Setting up the WinWing TopGun MIP (Main Instrument Panel) (Display Link, SIMAPP Pro, and DCS)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2022
- I'm excited to get my hands on the WinWing MIP! This is the Setup video, links for unboxing and assembly videos are posted below. Check out the link to my 3D Printed F-18 cockpit that I will be modifying to use the new Winwing gear. If you're looking for a DCS group to fly with check out vCSG-3. If you have any questions join our discord server, that will be the best way to contact me.
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MIP Assembly Video:
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This thing blew me away. I just now got mine working after a few minutes of nail biting. Issue ended up being my usb 3.0 hub had a 2.0 device plugged into it so the screens wouldn't come up. Literally just uploaded a quick unlisted "Haha - look what I have and you don't" video for a simmer friend of mine before I go to bed. Took longer to put together than I anticipated but I also recorded a few videos to later upload (much later). The only gripe I have was they shorted me 3 usb c cables. This thing takes 10 usb cables. I can't believe how awesome it is. Far above my expectations. Most people don't like the quiet keys but I prefer them. I have too many complainers living with me so the quieter my switches, knobs and buttons are, the better. I wouldn't bother downloading the drivers (they call drivers but is the Displayling software) from the app or their site. Google it and download from the source. It's newer. Major love for WinWing lately. I bought the Orion 2 base, F18 stick, Super Taurus with F18 handles, a few things from Virpil and a ton from MonsterTech. WinWing's service blows them all away. From ordering to in my hands in only a week (from China to Florida). They update their site several times a day while Virpil just lists everything out of stock on purpose due to their new delivery fairness system and I won't even start my gripes about monstertech. WinWing is my new favorite everything. Here's my one minute video. A much more in depth one will be done when I eventually get my rig (6 month wait on the seat, so it will be a while)... th-cam.com/video/yLwYaXYn8pU/w-d-xo.html
John. Thank you very much. You made a setup video 10x better than those who brandish their latest pc setup. Perfect video and keep it up.
Good info. I, too, purchased the screens for future Mixed Reality - which I'm hopeful will appear in the not too distant future.
would be nice if you could record a video of how the screen looks while gaming, maybe the targeting pod in action or air 2 air radar, just to see how they look :), got your self a sub!
I agree 100% we need to see that!
Thanks for getting this out there, looks great.
Thanks for posting this. It answered a lot of questions I had
great video, ty
Thank you for the VR information.
Thanks for the great video. Is there any place that describes in writing the procedure start to finish using the WinWing modules for a new system. Also, does all this work on Microsoft Flight for the F18? Any opinion on this? Thanks again!
It took a couple weeks of fiddling with the UFC to get the characters to show up on the display. Worked with WinWing support for several days of trying various fixes to no avail. In the end, the "repair lua" button solved my problems (although that didn't work at the start of the mess). It's still a bit of a hassle to get up and running because the screens are always moving around and changing back to landscape mode. I've got it down to just a min or two to get the screens worked out. I have two 1440p and one 2560x1980 with the three MIP screens under it. The two 1440p monitors are not used in DCS. I wish it all just turned on and worked and maybe someday it will. Until then, I can live with a bit of hassle prior to launching DCS. Waiting for the F-16C add on.
yeah yeah screens need be potrait mode it tells that on simapppro. ddi amd ampcd is recognized and setup correct position. in game only ampcd buttons are binded but it controll right ddi. left and right ddi not binded. also ufc display only show default all lights. and all those usb cables uf uf. its awesome but worthless when not work
Anyone else having map issues with this setup? I just got the MIP setup and now my map is about a third of the screen and to the left. Also when I try to click on map icons I have to click about 7 inches to the right of the icon I want to click on. Not sure how to fix this. Lastly, the F16 DED is about 2 seconds slow when I try changing anything. There's a delay. Not sure why either.
I have Phoenix VR version but dont see the MFD tab in Simapp pro.
Really helpful tutorials! Got it all put together easy thanks to your help. Everything was smooth but now I am stuck.
I have installed the drivers from display link. Simapp pro says my drivers are installed but I am stuck at “check display settings in windows”.
Windows 11 is not recognizing the monitors and when I check usb devices in settings it says “Driver Error” under each winwing usb 3.0 display.
Do these screens need 3 separate usb ports from the pc to run or can you run them through a powered usb hub?
I'm running mine through a powered hub
would you happen to know why no mfd display in simapp pro they just don't show but there are in my display and display link
Thank you so much 👍👌
Did you have any issues with the UFC digits showing up ? They all still show Test Starburst pattern even after clicking on the SYNC DCS and Repair LUA options in the Settings.
no they worked just fine for me
Very nice, may you make a video on using it on apache?
Great vid. Thank you. I need some help. So I installed the Topgun MIP and all is well. I configured the screens on Display Link and simapppro but I am only getting one mfd ID# not all three mfds. Also, when I get into a game, the right mfd buttons effects the left mfd screen, and the center buttons affect the right and so on. Any idea why? Thanks .
I would try plugging the USBs from display into different spots. I had to use 2 separate powered hubs to get mine to work right, if they were all 3 plugged into the same hub, windows would not recognize them properly. You may have to rebind the buttons on the controls settings screen in DCS
John, when playing the Apache with “George”. Do you also have the George menu’s just outside of the main screen (sides) due to mfd’s width is just a bit bigger then main monitor?
TBH.. I haven't been in the Apache a single time since I got the MIP..sorry
@@DCSTex don’t worry, just tried and noticed; f18 since mip standard. 😂
Thank you for your videos John! Do you have any more details on the issue with MIP screens and DCS crashing in VR? Is it a software issue, hardware problem? Thanks!
awesome!!
Will these panels work with the KA50's ABRIS? If you were to get just the instrument panel, does the software allow for setting up a panel for the ABRIS?
no clue.. I"ve never messed with the KA-50
Will you be adding adjusted files for your 3d printed consoles to combine with?
I have the WW UFC, HUD, AMPCD (no screens) and Ive printed all of the 3d files. Im trying to figure out a way to include the 2 together.
Thanks for everything you do. Keep it up!!
yes.. I'll be sharing the new designs in the next couple weeks
Great setup. I wonder if you could tell me the full width of the full setup. e.g with the left mfd, UFC and right mfd. I'm a bit worried this isn't going to fit into my current pit.
Nevermind, Ignore my question above. I've found the manuals via the website which has the dimensions. MFDs are 170mm and UFC is 195mm (in case anyone else is looking)
Are you not using the windows display drivers? Just want to make sure I follow this correctly before I set mine up. Thanks for the video!
The winwing displays use the Display Link USB video driver. I don't believe there is a windows version of it.
Hey John, great video, by any chance can you tell me the distance between the outer edge brackets for the left and right ddi? Trying to figure out how long of an extrusion I need to mount the mip. Thanks!
you want the distance spanning between the outside of the brackets of the outer DDIs? outside edge of left DDI bracket to outside edge of right ddi bracket?
if so, Mine are 20 3/4" from outside bracket to outside bracket. I have about a 1/4" gap between each ddi and the UFC to mimic the layout in the real jet
This is very good information with the walkthrough and setup... What I have a question on is... Currently my DCS monitor settings are triple screen x 4k.. In the dcs; it will display 11520x2160... Using the 3 usb displays - would it require these settings to be modified??? Also does it impact FPS??? How is the display performance on the USB screens??? Finally, can you display the F16 MFD imaged onto these displays??
SIMAPP pro will edit the lua in the monitor setup to use all your screens and place the MFDs appropriate. I mainly play in VR, so I won't be using the screens much until mixed reality becomes a thing. I can't answer your FPS performance. The screens seems to work fine but maybe a little dim. I'm not a viper guy so I can't help you with the F-16 images either
@@DCSTex Ok thx for the feedback. Looking forward to more of your findings..
Question, do you have the harrier and 16? do they work on here too?? - i know the fd14 won't my personal ones i had to add some code to, to make it work. i can't wait to get one
They work perfectly on the F-16 and the lower screen shows the HSI. I dont have the harrier, but I tested it on the Warthog and it actually worked fine (I just set the winwing software to F-18). The Lua file just gets edited for generic MPCD Left and MPCD Right, so any airplane that outputs the screens with those commands will work. I would wager the harrier works fine.
Great video - many thanks John. With regards to the monitor config file - does SimApp adjust this accordingly depending on what hardware is attached? e.g. what happens if you unplug the DDIs/AMPCD and run DCS. Will SimApp change the file accordingly? Thanks 👍
Pretty sure you would have to hit the activate button again for it to make changes. It does pop up a warning message every time something changes
@@DCSTex ok thanks, makes sense. I hope they can automate this in the future.
I bought just one mfd and i can't get sim app pro to see it as a device. It shows up in windows fine and i installed the drivers. I have connected it directly to my PC as well as a powered usb hub and the display works but not the mfd buttons nor will the buttons light up. Tryin to get winwing to help but their english is not very good. lol
Does windows recognize it as a usb game controller? If not you might have a faulty device.. I'd try it on another PC if you can and if it doesn't recognize it, you'll need to RMA it with Winwing
@@DCSTex I figured it out. I was an idiot and forgot to plug the usb C cable into the MFD button pad. I am now tryig to figure out how to make the MFD screen switch using the clone button on the mfd pad. I can switch between mfds in game and use any MFD but my screen only stays on whatever screen i selected in the sim app pro panel. Accoridng to Winwing the screen should change also but I don't see how thats possible unless I am able to use the same screen in the MFD setup in the sim app pro software.
SimApp Pro is absolute rubbish. I wish there was an alternative. I've had nothing but trouble with it, crashing, locking up by PC and just plain not working. Is there ANY alternative?
Not that I know of.. I haven't had any issues with it..runs smoothly and consistently.
Hi John. Thank you for this. I have my MPI all set up. And working fine. But one really annoying issue that seems to involve how Win 11 handles attached USB monitors. I set up the orientation (portrait) and placement of the 3 USB DDI screens in the Display Settings in relation to the main screen I’m using (LG 48 Ultragear 4K gaming monitor), apply it, synch in the SinApp Pro dashboard, and activate the DDIs. All good. BUT every time I restart the computer, it changes the display settings of my USB monitors, changing them back to landscape and placing them alongside my main monitor, not underneath it where I arranged it. In short, Win 11 Display Settings will NOT remember the previous display arrangements. Every time I start the computer, I must rearrange this USB monitors again. Extremely annoy8 g and I cannot find a solution on the web. Did you also have this problem? Any idea on how to fix? Thank you.
I'm on W10 and did not have the issue
@@DCSTex Ok John. Thanks for replying. I have no idea what is causing it. Scouring the net. Regards, apoll
I have exactly the same problem, running W10. Same happens if I unplug one of the displays from my USB hub and plug it in again. I have 4 of these displays attached (one extra for the IFEI).
EDIT: Installing the DisplayLink Manager App and setting the layout from there fixed it for me.
Check you don't have simapp pro to reset screen orientation and scaling to former statue in the MGD Display page
I'm getting my desktop on all my DDI's. What am I doing wrong
thats how its supposed to work until you spawn into a jet. Did you do the Simapp pro MFD setup page?
@@DCSTex Yes but I'm only getting one DDI working spawned in cockpit. Im using VR if that info helps. If I touch left DDI it changes the right DDI. If I change the lower DDI it changes the right DDI. I'm close but no cigar. Any ideas?
@@DCSTex also I noticed in game hud seems dim?
@@ajackson8926 sounds like you have them mirrored in windows instead of extending the desktop. Mine are dim as well
@@DCSTex I figured it out it was because I downloaded the cockpit editor. I deleted that and all is fine. Thank you John
with other screen
I seem to get a red error for scaling. My screens are split in half
It's been nothing but a nightmare for me. The hardware seems to work. First issue I had was all 3 displays were displaying sideways. I had to put them in portrait mode to get them to look right. Did yours do that? And then after going through the entire setup and getting green on everything it just doesn't work. Right mfd doesn't even show anything except my desktop and the other 2 are showing parts of the plane. The main screen is so out of proportion I can't even navigate the main menu.
might watch my video again.. I did had to change portrait mode. Seems like youre missing a step in there somewhere
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BiG problem for me here... the damn 60hz monitors create a stuttering game on my main 144hz monitor.. I will have to export these MFDS to another PC in which I will plug the winwing monitors instead
Or wait few weeks, because it reeks of drivers needing a small update… before turning your simroom into an overheating oil refinerie…
Dear God man. Disable your windows sounds.
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