Linus and Luke Get Console-Pilled
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Linus and Luke discuss whether buying GPUs right now makes any sense when consoles are much cheaper and nearly as good.
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"Isnt anyone else just tired of being mad" Oh man, that is such a fucking moooood.
Don't have a cow dude!
Yup. Not just video cards either. Everything tech for me.
@@Samsquanch1994 I feel it. Going back just 10 years PC gaming while still being expensive didn't fell like a ripoff. We do have a it better when it comes to games but the gap is closing and the greed from corporations like Nvidia is getting old. CPU's are in a much better space but it has taken some of the fun out of it for me. I'm lucky to be able to pay $800+ for a mid tier GPU but it feels bad.
I don't get why everyone was mad in the first place, that's just the market. Like, are you mad when it rains outside? And it's not like you couldn't game, games ran fine on older hardware.
I get this too, and not just about computer parts. Ignoring those other things, we have to remember that people don't always remember technology because it's innovative, but because it is disruptive.
If you look back about 5-10 years even just secondhand pricing of Intel i7 chips was ludicrous, never dipping below the equivalent i5's MSRP. At the end of the day they were only a fast quad core and had been for many iterations. People remember and respect Ryzen 1XXX's launch because it completely disrupted this behavior of exploiting the consumer for technology that is principally ancient. Quad core was now entry level, and hyperthreading not price gated.
Although it was not better in every way, AMD displayed an imbalance value per dollar. Intel's sales practices not only held back consumers, but developers and businesses relying on their products to benefit their workflows which lead to huge adoption of their primary competitors products. Ironically enough though, they might be the one company that can bring balance to the current GPU market.
I just quickly went thru PC Partpicker and built a PC that would be the modern equivalent to what i have, same tier GPU, CPU, cooler, RAM, storage, etc... Back when i built my GTX 1080 system, like 6 or 7 years ago, i spent just over $1600 USD on the entire system (not including peripherals). That same tier of PC is now over $3200.... Literally double the cost... its insane. A modern $1600 PC will obviously still be better than my old system, but youre in a much lower overall tier of performance. Just shows how expensive everything has become.
New platforms are absolutely nuts, the motherboards especially.
I swear, DDR6 RAM is going to come to the consumer market before the last couple of generations of hardware becomes affordable.
For complete perspective it's also important to keep in mind how have user setups changed, we've seen massive shifts in what is expected at individual performance tiers. 1440p is now becoming mainstream, and the same tier that used to be 1080p cards is now 1440p cards. And whereas it used to be the norm to get 50-60FPS on these cards, it's now expected to get 60+, and increasingly more players are requiring 80 as a minimum. In other words, you're getting way more relative performance at each individual tier.
It's also just the GPUs which have become so expensive. CPUs have gone down, SSDs have gone WAY down, RAM is mostly cheaper, Motherboards are pretty solid unless you insist you need the latest gen. And you really don't need the latest gen for gaming. And again, the same tier of CPUs that used to be just about right for 60FPS gaming are now fine for 100+FPS.
Its always funny when people discover inflation.
@@CanIHasThisName SSD's are going up again. Samsung is gonna increase prices by 20% every quarter for at least next half a year. Ram is probably going up too cause of that. Motherboards have never been more expensive. (A good X299 board back in 2017 when the platform launched was 250-300. That's a basic Z790 or X670 board nowadays. And X299 was a HEDT platoform.)
PSU's overpriced. And we all know about GPU's. The only parts that aren't priced ridicously are CPU's and coolers.
@@drink15Don't. These prices are 100% over what they were just 5 years ago. Just don't even try to blame inflation.
I bought a ps5 and a 42in c3 instead of upgrading my pc. The total for those 2 was a little over 1300 after tax, pretty much the price of a 4080. With the way prices are now I don’t see myself going back. I built my current pc in 2017 for 800 bucks and it smashed the ps4 and xbone in performance, that kind of value is gone now
To be fair the PS5/XSX were actually somewhat on par with Powerful PCs on release, PS4 and X1 were both underpowered devices closer to a high end laptop
Depending on what you need to upgrade. Inflation sucks difficult to find those 99$ motherboards anymore. But found an rtx 3070 for 300$ picked that up cuz my 1080 was doing funky things like constant noticeable screen tears.
But I find some of these console games look amazing on systems much weaker then most PCs it’s very strange but it’s true.
@@ryans413 depends on how you are viewing the game comparisons. TH-cam compression sucks. In person side by side is the only proper way to tell.
@@iprodigy6723 Last Of Us on PC only looked slightly better than the PS5 remake. And it ran way more smooth on the PS5. That’s one comparison but it’s true.
For probably the first time in my life, my current PC will probably "die of old age" with all its current hardware. R9 5900X, 6900XT. I know it's not low end or old by any means, but since I built it more than a year and a half ago, all the new games are "meh", all the new hardware is barely better than mine, and I keep going back to older games anyway. For work and non gaming stuff, my hardware is and will keep being overkill. There is nothing left to do on my desktop. My love for pc building is literally dying because there is no point to care about new hardware anymore.
Same boat as you. Running a 5950x and 3080. Play old 2009 games … new games are so boring to me and hardware is a joke now. Either use it to play old games or pc collects dust.
Yep. I started out with dip switches and swapping hardware on forums and stuff, it's all blah now. This was a lot better hobby when the bar for entry was knowledge and effort rather than money.
Same here, man. But I like the idea of having a maxed-out i7-2600K build originally started in 2011, tooped off with a 1080 Ti in 2018. I'm checking out of multiplayer for the next decade, probably. This PC is still fantastic for the single-player games I've skipped, gamedev, and everyday use. I want my ashes spread in this thing.
@@UnknownUser-fg3fsget a quest 3 for pcvr, after playing half life alyx and some other games, buy a sim racing wheel second hand for about 150 and play vr sim racing. New experiences with our overpowered but old hardware is possible
I think the problem is that they just stopped making their prior generation cards and now they are all gone (at least here in New Zealand), you just can't buy them new in any store. Prices on the used market are adjusted to what you can get new in the store so they're high too, there are no bargains to be had out there. I hope they keep making this generation of cards all the way through the lifetime of the next gen, because that's the only way I see prices coming down.
They are still making 3060 I thinl
@@p_serdiuk seems like you are right, there's still lots of 3060's available. I missed it because they cost _even more_ than the latest gen Radeon card equivalent (the rx 7600). I've haven't been looking that closely at Nvidia cards because I'm linux exclusive these days and they have several annoyances that radeon cards don't.
These is also the gtx 1650, but man, with only 4GB of vram and still over one third the price of a playstation 5... It's barely an improvement over my existing 1050 Ti.
@@korakys i got a 1080 for $135, still too much for how old it is but it does what i wanted
If you have a decent GPU, like 2070 super or so, an OLED monitors probably feels better upgrade than most GPU upgrade
Just got a tower with a 2070 super (I only use 1080p monitors for price sake) and it’s wonderful. Better than my gaming laptop I had
Someone still plays with those ancient cards?
@@random_profile_4046 mfw a 2070 Super is considered “ancient”…..
Anyway, yes. New GPU is way too expensive, I don’t play that much games that really require big horsepower, and I have PS5 anyway. I probably would want to upgrade my monitor, but since I already have a 1440p VA 32” monitor with 144 Hz support, really not much to upgrade into until I can get into OLED, which is still beyond 1000$.
The up-front cost of PC gaming has made console gaming the only option for me. $350 used Series X on marketplace = the next 5-8 years or so of being able to play every major title, some included with gamepass too.
The nice thing about these new consoles is that it also supports Keyboard and mouse. A lot of popular games like COD and fortnite support it making it a pc like experience and there's support for discord as well
@@silvawtf69it’s very nice, but definitely don’t expect it as a standard. The finals, overwatch, apex, battlefield, none of these have mouse support. If one of those are “your” game, it’s a non starter
@@MA-qu3hi the finals if I'm not mistaken supports kb/m but yeah it doesn't work with every game. I'm playing cyberpunk right now with a keyboard and mouse plugged in
@@silvawtf69 finals definitely doesn’t, but it is surprising how many single player fps do. That’s how I played cyberpunk also, atomic heart, metro exodus, high on life.
Same, I was hoping to upgrade my PC after the crypto craze died down. But I refuse to pay these ridiculous GPU prices. I will just stick with my xbox until GPU manufacturers stop price gouging or some must have PC exclusive comes along that forces me to upgrade. But graphically intensive PC exclusives are pretty rare these days and I doubt AMD/Nvidia will stop being greedy anytime soon, so I will probably be sticking with console for the foreseeable future.
While price gouging PC gamers may be a nice boost to their short terms profits. Seems like training your customers not to upgrade their PCs isn't a great long term strategy.
Im a large nvda shareholder. Im going to bring this up during shareholder meetings. I got into this bc of building computers. This is so important... To the heart of the companies and industry, and eventually their bottomline.
Yeah, if you hollow out your entry level stuff, you aren't going to get future consumers in the ecosystem to buy mid-high end cards going forwards.
@@megasoctopuslegionofcake6248 you get it
I built my first PC back in 2013. I'm in the process of building a new one now to replace it. Yeah I put a 4070 ti super in it, but I should be all set now till well into 2030.
Or at least until 2025 🤣
@@Roach22 nah. FFXIV is only now getting its first graphics update since launching in 2013. I think I'll be good for years.
@@EziekielNightwind Well if you’re building your PC for existing games, then you might just make it.
With every new gen console aside from PS4, theres usually a window of 2-3 years where it doesnt make sense to upgrade a computer as they feel about equal aside from higher texture quality or flashier lighting or number goes higher, I feel like with PS5 and Xbox series X the bar set for what you should expect for a minimum standard of gaming is very high atm. FPS, res and visuals are at an all time high and the jump to SSD has been amazing. Getting a PS5 will do a majority of people unless you want to play an expanded library like previous gen games, a massive steam catalogue or emulation where a steam deck will then fill those peoples expectations nicely. Unless its for productivity or you've had a decent PC for a while now there not much point in upgrading to a PC or upgrading your current PC unless your running olddddd specs like 5+ years old.
I switched to AMD this year almost solely because of Nvidia's nonsense. My 4790K and 1080Ti are good units, but the slow RAM and 4 cores started to show their age in modern titles. A lack of technology on the GPU meant I had none of the upscaling, raytracing, or specialty enhancements offered by any major brand...
So I got a 7800XT with a 7800X3D. I got the XT right at $500 which was right about a 50% performance uplift at the same price I paid for the 1080Ti back when the 20 series came out. Been quite happy.😁
Nvidia has been dumbo central. Pricing like that is just silly.
One of the unintended consequence of all the bit minning.
Honestly as a person who owns a built pc, a ps5 and ally. If someone asked me what they should get for gaming. And they have a budget between a ps5 and a decent pc (let’s say 1200) would honestly say steam deck if the games they want are compatible save the money and get a nice monitor get the dock and enjoy games. And probably either the legion go or ally with the same thing monitor and dock. My friend got his ally open box from Best Buy for 612 after taxes excellent condition.
This is why I’m still running my 1060, at this point I’d need to do a full upgrade of my system (I’d need a new board for ddr5, new psu for the power hungry cards etc.) and I can just in no way justify it.
I can still play most games at medium at the very least and get respectable frame rates, and I can just in no way afford what even a new mid tier PC would cost me.
I think I spent about £700 on my current PC, I something new at the same tier would set me back around double that
Luke, Morrowind on pc came with an editor kit that made that game way ahead of its time! Great game
I can't say I've even watched a single review about any GPU releases this year
Been running a gtx 1080 with a 1440p 75 hertz art monitor. Plays all my games at very high detail with no problems. Still have no reason to upgrade my gpu. The pricing on these new cards is insane.
Lol same
Like exactly the same xD
Also running a 1080 TI runs great got a 180hz 1080p monitor.
I got a used 1080 turbo for $100, when it passed all the tests I threw at it I couldn’t believe it
I don't game much pcs seem to be losing in general right now. five years ago, I couldn't imagine a mac being the best laptop option
i bought a 6700xt on launch the red devil edition and im still super happy with it
I remember buying my GTX 1080 for like, $599. then it jumped to $699 for the 2080 and 3080. Then it goes all the way up to $1200?!?!?! What kind of fucking sense did that make?!?! Absurd!!! 80 series Nvidia GPUs should probably never go much above that $700 price point, and even that is pushing it. Something tells me Nvidia is winding down on the production of consumer cards, and focusing on the business and AI cards, and theyre just ass-raping consumers on the "gaming" cards for the next couple of years until they finally can their entire gaming lineup.
I fantasize about upgrading my 1080p pc to a good 1440p one, but then I add the parts on pc part picker up and look at the cost. As long as I can run everything fine at medium-high with my current rig I don't think I need to spend another $600-700 lol.
For the past couple of years I had a gaming laptop with a 3050/ i7-1200h. Just got a full tower with a 2070 super, i9-9900k and it runs games so much better than that laptop. Also, upgrading is gonna nice because I only have 16gb of ddr4 ram I wanna upgrade for not that much plus bagging a 4060 for like $300 or even a 5000 series whenever they release (may need a new motherboard by that pint but I’m still super new to having a tower).
Being able to play 1080p dlss quality with tracing on Fortnite has been fun to experience. I could ray trace on the laptop.
The tower was around $1,200 when it was built and I bet it would be cheaper second hand now.
This video is exactly how I've been feeling the last several years. I remember a time, back in the PS3/360 era, when Tek Syndicate had a video for a $500 PC build to *beat consoles*.
Nowadays, you can barely build a 1080p rig for that much, while the Xbox Series X is doing 4K for the same price (I know there's more fine-tuning on PC, but still). It's kind of bittersweet to see PC gaming just explode in popularity thanks to TH-cam, Twitch, and eSports. Like it's definitely a cool thing now amongst the teen gamers. Back in my day, it was just the nerdiest gamers who were on Steam and Starcraft. But the side effects of that are a huge increase in demand, which means an increase in price. It's not just about shortages and crypto bros buying all the GPU's, it's that the companies who make the hardware know they can sell it for more now because it's cool, so they do. Consoles have an advantage in that they're cheap because MS and Sony can take a loss on the hardware because they have their subscriptions just raking in the cash. So PC won't be able to catch up in terms of price to performance.
And now I've come full circle, tired of the industry drama, just wanna sit back on the couch and chill with some Oblivion or Halo. PC's are still fun, but I'm with Luke in the sense that when I look back, gaming is what got me into tech in general, then PC gaming helped me really get into it in an IT sense (watching tons of Tek Syndicate and LTT videos back in the day), but really my best gaming years were on the original Xbox. And the current Xbox has all my all-time favorite games. So why did I just spend $2000 to build a brand new PC over Christmas?
Because it’s already there, for me, I wish consoles had native KBM support for just about every game. I mean they are on PC, mostly, it’s there. The consoles support them, they could use some updates to make them work better but still…It would be difficult to bother much with PC anymore for me. I don’t use it for much but gaming.
I've still got a 2070super that I got used after the GPU bubble started to pop.
It runs my 1440p 165hz gsync fine in most fast paced games, and the 4k60hz 10bit HDR monitor is more for creative stuff and video playback, but even games like BG3, Elden Ring, and other HDR games run fine at 4k60 with quality dlss. The visual fidelity isnt even effected, it basically looks like native with dlaa/taa in most games that can't run at 4k native.
Sure games like cyberpunkbare still struggling at unreasonable settings, but thats okay. Its playable and looks great still.
I bought a 3090 Ti because I’m stupid and had more money than brains at the time. The rest of the build was over the top. When they announced the 40 series cards only a few months later, I really didn’t regret buying it because of that (just because I spent an insane amount of money on a card to begin with)
My little brother is still using my old 1080Ti playing games in QHD@60fps just fine. Meanwhile my 3080 broke (got refunded) so I replaced it with a 4070Ti lol.
12gb for 800 lmfao
@@yellowflash511 I'm good, don't need any more VRAM. Could've gone AMD but that's more expensive in the long run due to poor power efficiency compared to Nvidia, besides, my 3080 broke, what do you expect me to do, it's not like I upgraded? Please share the genius course of action you would take.
Finished Cyberpunk on my 3060 with the high settings, 1440p dlss quality, RT off: it ran stable 60 fps. One can make a pc like mine for less than a grand.
Cards like 4080 are for Pathtracing, native 4k and other cool gimmicks, but if you want to simply enjoy games on high settings you don't need no 4080.
One thing I stumbled upon earlier was the collapse in the price of the Series S, yes it has a lot of issues, but you can get one used in the UK for £100, which is just incredible. It's cheaper than some previous generations!
I got a PS5 late last year for 750NZD that came with the Spider-Man game. Nothing is beating that
i bought a used 1080ti two years ago and still running fine at 1440p with everything i play
I got my 6700XT 4 months back, upgraded from 1080p to 1440p monitor (used) and a new 1000w corsair power supply to replace my 650w (overkill i know) but all within 1200$ total and before then i had all hand me downs on everything else including the CPU and Motherbord/Ram/Fans etc. its still expensive but i can run cyberpunk and red dead at 45-90fps with 60 on average and im happy with it. Do i hate that i have to wait for new games like helldivers and elden ring to be patched months in advanced so they work but hey, Ill take that than having to buy a new console every twos years
I dropped out of the PC crowd for awhile after moving states during the pandemic. Decided I wanted a desktop again and decided to buy a used Titan Xp for $200. I have a 1080p75hz monitor and it runs everything max sliders sans ray tracing without dips. I’m happy, I don’t need all the upgrades of today and honestly owning a Titan card feels really cool, even if it’s old.
Someone in the comments pointed out that gamer expectations have ballooned, hoping for 80+ fps at 1440p. I'm a nintendo gamer who hasn't paid attention to Sony since ps3 and only has a halfway decent gaming PC now (secondhand laptop), and I'm shocked at how things have changed.
I was trying to play FF15's demo - a decade old game - and was astonished at how much flickering there was even at 1080p. I had to turn the models to lowest amount of detail and turn on TAA to get anywhere. Rendering at 810 or below, even those measures didn't help.
I'd be perfectly happy to play the potato version of this game, especially to achieve higher than 30fps, but the artifacting and flickering is intolerable. It's not even like it's just something to worry about in urban areas, it's in the main characters' hair! There's no getting away from it.
If this is what games are like now, I guess 1440p minimum is just what I have to work towards moving forward.
(I guess a version of this game does exist for potatoes, but...we don't talk about that.)
Ive always kinda wanted a gaming pc but i really dont want the hassle. I just want to put a game in and play it. People get bent out of shape about frame rate (myself included) but im pretty sure ocarina of time ran at like 20 fps on a good day. The ugly truth is 30 fps is probably fine.
Canadian and American console pricing is insane, last I checked over here you could pick up a Series X ad PS5 for £349.99 each
Still using my RX 580 from 2017 paired with a Ryzen 5 1600. I run almost all games on the lowest settings at 1440p and I get about 75fps. Definitely looking forward to an upgrade but for now this is what I've got.
i worked at target during the holiday season, they were giving people $50 to $100 gift cards with purchase of xbox series x or even the quest 2. sony did do a sale, but just to move the older model. and the price of a series x was $350 at one point, and came with the gift card still.
currency is USD
Bought a used reference rx6800 for $330 back in November and it’s been amazing at 1440p. Undervolted and slightly underclocked and runs cool and quiet sipping 170w maxed out
still playing with 1080ti, 1080p screen at 144hz ....no issues here and still looks fine.
Can run all games still without issue, sure newer stuff would be great, but them prices though...
I came fully out of consoles in 2019 after counting up the costs of participating in consoles Vs PC and finding that it was more expensive to be on console.
Right now PC part prices are insanely high, especially graphics cards. Whereas a Steam Deck is a console where you never have to use the makers' store, it's a damn good proposition.
Saving money by going Linux instead of windows too.
I quit PC gaming around the time Gpu mining picked up and moved completely to consoles, and I was a huge advocate for them until my PSN account got hacked and I was locked out of my account that had the license to about 25 downloaded games including Elden Ring, Horizon 1 & 2, Dark Souls 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2.
I contacted PSN support everyday for about a month afterwards, met the bot everytime and didn't get one person to actually chat with me and solve my issue.
Today I'm looking to go back to PC gaming because while I still think in terms of budget and somewhat guaranteed playability consoles are superior but in terms of customer support? they are shit..
Still running a GTX 970, runs everything I play at 60+ fps mid-settings, indulging in 2000+ series cards is really just a luxury if you want to run high-end games at max settings, it's not necessary at all, unless you're a video editor etc, but then you're generally getting paid to use it.
I feel like a lot of people are not happy unless their GPU is running at less than 20%, which is just a waste, it should be more like 70%+, otherwise you're not even using most of the processing power you bought.
Everyone commenting on the mininal performance upgrade from the 30 series to the 40 series.
And here I am thrilled that i get to upgrade from a 1070 to a 4080 Super
I won't go back to console until the default controller you get with it has sticks that don't drift after only a month of using it
Every time I think about upgrading I talk myself out of it because my 1080 runs all the games I currently play PERFECTLY fine. Until I start getting some games that slow down my 1080 I think Ill stick with that I have.
Been running my 5700xt since I built my first PC at the beginning of 2020, runs pretty much every game I play perfectly fine and even gets decent VR performance. I could upgrade but anything that is a decent jump over what I have now is essentially double the cost of what I bought the 5700xt for. Not worth imo
Yeah i'm not afraid to put these slides on Medium or even Low to play the game with reasonable performance, gonna run this RTX 3070 of mine for a extra year before deciding the next AMD card i'm gonna buy.
I handed my old gpu (gigabyte 960 4gb windforce) down to my wife when I made her pc last year. I used that gpu until then as I was just starting to run into issues with work, and playing games like deathloop, returnal, etc. She now has over 500 hrs in Baldurs gate 3, plays daily. It has no issues playing the game with over 100 mods installed.
Me running rx570 4gb, with no problem. Most games I play are multiplayer which means they already are made for low spec and story games don't entice me anymore after cyberpunk. That is a good game.
I still have a 1070 and play a lot of modern games still. Admittedly at low qualities at 1080p and often capped at 30fps (Cyberpunk, Hogwarts Legacy, Star Citizen all fall under this) but balanced enough to still look good enough an be enjoyable. Also plenty of other great games I can play at 60fps at least and medium or so quality and look great.
I upgraded my gtx 1080 to a used 3080ti with ekwb block included. Had it for a year and it is flawless
i have a skylake 6700k, asus rog gtx 970, i can play anything at 1080p, i'm not upgrading until a game i care about comes out and i can't play it. until then i will go back and forth with my ps5, old ass pc and steam deck
I got my Xbox Series X for $350 USD during the holidays from Target. I haven't owned a console since the OG Xbox
My favorite feature of PC gaming that the $300-500 console gaming experience doesn't give you: A mouse. Not a mouse, but full mouse support. I've always had a hard time with FPS controls on controllers (which a lot of non-FPSes from survival-crafting to 1st-person factory games have nowadays), but using a mouse is EZ mode. Conversely, I hate using a mouse for driving/flying vehicles but fortunately all PCs / all OSes have good support for all major console controllers nowadays.
So the difference between a bad gaming experience and a great one for me comes down native support (both in the OS & the games) for a $15-50 piece of hardware input device, not the latest/best CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD/etc.
Yes, I am looking at getting a 40-something, but I have not got games just to speed up Blender. If Blender did not use 40xx to speed it up, I would even think about my 5-year laptop.
my desktop is 10 years, and it needs replacing to go over to a better OS; with Linux, I may get a few more years out of it.
The problem I need more vram
The only way to get Nvidia's attention is to say "If you price the 5080 anywhere near $1200 USD, I'm not going to review it." THAT is what will get their attention.
It really wouldn’t. Reviews help the hype cycle, but no way a single reviewer, even one as big as LTT, has enough impact for that threat to be more important than whatever reason they have to price it at what it is.
@@iurigrangif they all banded together they could. TH-camrs are huge part of GPU and CPU advertising. You don’t see ads on tv for gpu’s you go to TH-camrs
He kind of did with that combined super review. Usually, each card is reviewed separately
This generation of consoles really makes PC gaming a harder buy, especially if your a Mac user for personal computing. And honestly, the SteamDeck is the only thing making me want a PC. I imagine when the Switch 2 comes out the performance differences will be even smaller.
I went back to a 1660 super from a 4080 after regreting how pricy it was. And my 1660 super runs just fine on my 1440p monitor. Sure it was fun with path tracing (tho i needed to use FG), but in the end it did not really make the game better...
i currently have a 3060ti underclocked and i play cyberpunk woth raytracing in high with fsr3 at like 90fps so yeah unless youre playing in vr you dont need a new gpu,
just earlier this week i sold my pc because the hardware was current and was still worth a lot of money. I have an xbox series x and a ps5 and all of the games i play are on 1 of those 2 consoles. I also sold my Vive pro and bought a psvr2. While pc does look better it doesnt look THAT much better accept for a few outliers.
Honestly I rarely use my nice PC with a gtx 1080 and a nice monitor since I got my PS5.
Wanted to move the PC to living room but upgrading to a GPU with VRR over HDMI would cost as much as a PS5 :(
Baldur's gate works fine on my 4050 mobile with 6gb vram. Every game I've tried runs fine on my anaemic GPU.
Yeah... when they mentioned running the game just fine on a 2080 ti I was like "it better have" tbh
@@RamenLewdle lmao 🤣
4050 is the best mobile card in 4000 ever.
@iraklimgeladze5223 lol it certainly has plenty of power for the price! $1100 AUD for a Ryzen 7640HS, RTX 4050 16GB ddr5 @ 5600 and 500GB PCIE 4 SSD. For $250 more I put another 16gb ram and a 2 tb (read 7200mb/s) ssd in it. So $1350 AUD all up.
So $880 USD all up $715 for the base laptop. Also 16inch screen at 165mhz
@@Alex.The.Lionnnnn I mean you can buy RTX4060 or RTX 4070, but performance between them is minimal.
i have 1660ti laptop and I do not like RTX 4060-70. I thinking to skip 4000 gen too.
bg3 runs fine on 1070gtx except for the fire scene
Still rocking my evga 1080Ti SC2 Hybrid on 1440p monitors and still haven't found a game I wanted to play where I felt like I needed to down the graphics settings down lol
Are those WAN Show headphones earcups???
Bought a second hand 3080 for 300 usd its out there and have had no issues.
Man I just got a pny 3080 12 gb for 350$ and it works great not 120fps 4K but man for just gamin is a beast these companies now a days are just overpriced for subpar products it’s not worth it in a lot of instances to wait and buy for the latest and greatest bc it’s costing a arm and a leg
Remember that AMD makes the chips for both PlayStation and Xbox.
So AMD is really kicking it out on both sides, Console or PC
or buy RX 7900xt now it is down to 750$
Running Baukder's Gate 3 on my 1080ti. Runs great at 1440 high.
I really wanted to get into PC gaming but everything was so expensive. But it's stuff you don't think of I don't have a monitor. I don't have a desk. I also didn't have the space or money at the time. A ps5 was something that was still expensive but low enough that it was an easy buy. And it just goes under my tv. And I feel like sometimes I don't even want to play it. Makes me really say no to buying a PC. And none of my friends have PC. So we would be stuck to playing cross play games. Back then, not many games had it. And talking to your friend crossplay sucked.
GPUs should come with games i think
4070 Super for 600$ and like 10 60$ games you can enjoy your gpu with
or maybe a bundle with monitors for 30% off 1000$ monitor 1000$ gpu or 1400$ for both
Getting a new GPU and not being able to crank up the settings is depressing. The games that are waiting for the hardware to catch up are just another cause of depression. And as for gpu demands, how soon until you can't have a computer on a standard circuit breaker? We are already pushing it with 2 computers in the same room.
My first gaming PC cost my dad 400$ and lasted from 2004 to 2011
My second gaming PC cost me 450$ and lasted me from 2010 to 2016
My third having PC that I built in 2016 cost 1000$ and it's still running today, but it's not like it can play modern AAA console titles. It was built around running the Witcher 3 at 60fps at 1080p.
My current PC cost me 1000$ and I built it in 2019.
It's called, make it work kids.
cards just got too expensive. During mining the 3080 was expensive but it was a HUGE uplift. Now that mining is dead and it's no longer scalpers but manufacturers trying to rip our wallets it becomes harder.
I broke my 1080ti so settled with a 6900XT but want to switch back to Nvidia for iRay rendering but I simply can't stomach the new norm of pricing.
I was making this argument when I worked at GameStop 2 years ago. Yeah PC is the best but I can get you out of the store with a PS5 or a series x and whatever the new hotness game is under $700. Not to mention it's going to look spectacular to the average consumer.
And yeah I know other members of the master race can make all kind of arguments against that but the truth of the matter is, people buy for their reasons, not yours. And 'plug and play gaming today for cheaper' is a lot more attractive than 'may have to tinker with it gaming tomorrow for more'.
yeah but playing without shadows and reflective water in palworld is weird af.
It's funny. Cause nearly all the consoles owners I know have moved to PC in the last 6 months because console performance & resolution sucks balls on the newest games.
Comparing a console to a high end GPU like the 4080 is like comparing apple to oranges. The 4080's graphical fidelity is far beyond what you can expect from a console, If you care about value obviously it's not ideal. If you only care about playing the game, consoles provide a perfectly acceptable experience, however if you want high FPS and the highest visual fidelity it's obviously going to cost more than a system that uses upscaling just to reach 4k 30fps.
Palworld won't run 4k 60 on my 4080. Woe is me.
Got my 3070 used a few months ago, very very cheap and works great with some new paste
LOL at Luke talking bout a 2080 Ti or Titan RTX being a lower end card, or talking as if it was a lower end card. That's so ridiculous. Sure they are a little bit older. But they are powerhouses and relatively expensive.
ive build my first pc with AM4's 5800x3D... planning to upgrade only in AM6... my used 3090 Vulcan will serve me until PS6 launches... then i will get the meme 6090
I have a 1660 ti and can run most games at medium im happy with that
To be fair for the same money of a PS5 I upgraded my 5 year old PC with a 7800XT and now it runs new games great! (those few ones that don't suck, AAA games are in a bad place).
Yeah they charge a lot so that they can spend all the money on Research so they can get the next more powerful chip I'm wondering at what graphics card at what price is there suddenly diminishing returns like I spent $400 more but it really didn't do anything to my games
just got a 50 inch 4k tv for 148 bucks, pc stuff is way too expensive
Your also comparing the series x to a 4060ti...it's I believe like a 3060 equivalent or 2070. Plenty of TH-camrs make a same price Xbox but PC computer. It is possible.
Worth remembering that the consoles have performance more inline with the best of the 20 series and a low end CPU of the same sort of vintage in raw power (or worse if you like Nintendo) - all the consoles are getting more towards the end of their life cycle and haven't come down in price really yet. So that the latest and greatest PC hardware is hugely more expensive, which is usually the case, is no shock. But its also often the case you can build a PC with more potential than the consoles for the same sort of price - what a console gives you is convenience of games that are pre-optimised by the developer for that hardware and the removal of that bloated junk that is Windoze. So more reliably acceptable performance out the box (again unless your are Nintendo - much as I used to like the much more diverse stable of unique games when you can't even get your flagship titles to play reasonably well)...
Still using a Sapphire 480, and I might update this year to an RX 6600 to have mesh shading support, which is the next big "generation defining" feature you need to play titles like Alan Wake. So no, GPUs are not expensive if you know what you're doing.
I bought a 6700 XT, and I did that after the release of the 7k series, and I thought paying 900 euro for a GPU & CPU was insane. I can build a whole APU computer for 600 euro.
"it's a Russet potato"
The delivery just got me 😂
I was one of the lucky ones to buy a 3080 from EVGA at launch 🚀 and at MSRP. The xc3 model. I play at 1440p and I can’t justify a new card with these new card prices and features. Even less now with the DLSS3 to AMD Fluid Motion mod. I would much rather buy an ROG Ally and continue to play my games on the go, which would be far more convenient for me, even if it’s at lower settings
My second graphics card was because Spider-Man needed a gpu with "hardware transform and lighting"... FX 5200
The problem with buying 2nd hand is if it breaks, you probably don't have the money to "Oh well, buy another one..." You've committed several hundred to a purchase, if that goes up in a puff of smoke, for most people, that's disastrous.
Nvidia have lost the plot, I have no inclination to spend more money on them, the 60 series will be out before I even look at a GPU again.
GPU pricing is sicking both amd and nvidia and the performens jump is not there
1080 gang, really nice you guys see other point of view,, realy love pcs but the price (brazil) got out of hand