Darth Malekith Faces DREAD BRETONNIA | Dark Elves vs Bretonnia - Total War Warhammer 3
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"Bretonnian frontlines are no joke" - never would I have imagined hearing such words in the history of the Old World ...
Add that to the list together with "Ghorst was nerfed"
Who is ghorst ?
"We have noticed that Dark Elf players are still winning games with Malekith. Therefore, we have increased the Multiplayer Cost of this unit from 2,850 → 4,000. We have also increased the Melee Attack stat of Crone Hellebron by 1 in order to encourage more lord choices."
CA balance changes in a nutshell
Seems like for the rest of the game after Murderous Prowess have triggered all newly summoned Dark Elf units gets that buff (for 90s) which might be a reason why Dark Elfs seem to usually have a value comeback in the third quarter. This is quite interesting in Domination as it incentives Dark Elf players even more to open with really aggressive units so that Murderous Prowess can trigger as soon as possible as it will continously trigger on every unit summoned for the rest of the game.
Yeah, I've been kind of confused on how the Murderous Prowess was working, why I keep seeing units with it well after the initial surge of it has expired. You're probably right, and not sure if that seems balanced or not
10:07 I fucking lost it. Bless you Turin.
feel like dark elves have an even more extreme empire syndrome.
proped up super hard by maliketh/wagons
Tbf war wagons are just a really cool unit though and you can't really nerf them without making them useless (especially in campaign), and they don't take up a lord slot
Always love to see Darth Malekith going full rohirim and saving the day.
Jesus. Watch Malekith just eviscerate Henri at 13:25
Massif Dragon Meal.
Sweet baby Jesus, that boy became mincemeat
Professor Pwn lives in black iron tower surrounded by lava... yet the Grail Knights are more villanous than he
You can just say Hollowed Out Volcano.
@@fiveforbitingI think he's referring to the fact that Darth Vader apparently ripped off his good friend Lord Sauron and now has his own Dark Iron Tower of evil on Mustafar.
Holy crap that value on Malekith was unreal. Almost like the value breakdown from a campaign battle!
That random Palpatine "Do it" was so natural ❤
"I give my body, heart and soul, to the Lady whom I seek. No plea for help shall find me wanting. No obstacle will stand before me. No evil will taint the lands bequeathed unto me. When the clarion call is sounded, I will ride out and fight in the name of Liege and Lady. That which is sacrament, I shall preserve. That which is sublime, I will protect. That which threatens, I will destroy, for my holy wrath will know no bounds. Honour is all. Chivalry is all. Rejoice, for we, the Knights of Bretonnia... will be your shield."
Good game! Great commentary!
I am loving these titles recently! Turin you are so creative and you know how to capture an audience.
13:35 I wonder how long that manticore was chilling in the corner :D
Can we get some replays of the greatest-best race, yes-yes?
Is there a reason a ability that summons a meteor from the aether is called something so nonthreatening as "Chalice of Potions". Like what to the generals say to the loved one's killed by it? Like "I'm sorry ma'am but your 200 year old son was killed by a chalice of potions he was a honorable soldier."
Probably a throwback to a WHFB rule!
I believe on the tabletop the Chalice of Potions was a magic item that gave the Fey Enchantress access to a variety of Lore of Heavens spells.
In Warhammer Total War, they restricted it to just Comet of Cassandora, probably for simplicity. The ability is still connected to the magic item, so it still bears the name “Chalice of Potions”.
Damn, feels like Bretonnia threw this one. Letting the paladins go down was the first straw
The bretonnia player really did. He didnt really utilize his cav well. Especially his Knights of the realm and especially the Companions. He had such a value lead with his Chalice and the trebuchet just crumping the darkshards all game.
He also got very little value from his grail relique just chilling in the trees for some reason. The double Paladin/Henri not being utilized properly too.
Bretonnia is Cav. Sadly if you let your Knights go 1v1 with a raidboss like Maliketh. Send the Second Knights into Spears when your couldve easily used your mobility to get better charges. OR even just not waste the companions into two almost hard counters in Dark Elf Spears plus Cold One Knights while being in Lance Formation lol.
Hindsight is 20/20 of course but PLEASE DONT CHARGE YOUR COMPANION INTO SPEARS PLUS COLD ONE KNIGHTS.
Like he consciously decided to make that choice and decided to try to run when it got bad.
They already got tarpitted into two units. Its stand and fight or die like a coward.
This game is a great learning tool on how not to elite cav.
... you're right, a Grail Relique IS actually a miniature Corpse Cart, considering what it looks like.
Fair point. It is essentially two dudes carrying a corpse around on a poorly-crafted fake horse.
Painting my Aeldari combat patrol while I listen. Have you played any 10th yet?
Quenelles chevaliers and Grail knights took some very bad engagment
Wow really nice game. I never saw such a big value on a unit in multiplayer! It was very nice. And the breath attack at the end melting two full infantry units was really amazing! This battles are so epic! It's like watching a movie battle :) Great commentary as always, bringing the epicness of the game to life :)
feels kind of crazy Bretonnia isn't the underdog faction any more. I find myself rooting for the factions going against them now more than anything.
Love all the community clashes, but when are you going to play next tourny? Those are fire.
Lol at the “Kark Special” 😂
Was a very well balanced bretonnian army, i approve... dont be shy to try some repanse, shes amazing
Should I mention 99 leadership on the pilgrims?
I really like the sisters of slaughter for anti cav. I mean they are so fast they almost run at cav speeds themselves and with their poison it will be hard for enemy knights to get away. A good charge will crush them since they are so reliant on their MD to stay alive. But in a grind it out fight they raw stats are good enough that I think they beat most knights.
11:24 so had to test bc the "chorf tanks are overturned turned out to be 2 dwarf cannons and you shut down all chorfs heavy hitting stuff (they destroy tanks and chorf arti, due to being tank based, extremely fast; they outrange basically everything that could threaten them, they destroy flying lords when not microed against, on big targets their dmg stack quickly).
so tested here with DE; and while grail knights are indeed strong, dark shards put a lot of hurt on them, there is also a good application for bolt-throwers; honestly against brettonia they would be amazing, spread vs mass infantry built, single vs. heavy cav specifically countering grails;
the interesting thing is that 1 bolt throwér shooting near its full ammo will kill a grail knight; grail knights can't efficiently micro dodge it either ^^
this means 4 bolt throwers which are only 2800 will kill a grail knight alone with 25% ammo spendt (which is not that much time) at 50% ammo they will have killed 2, if they can sit their full ammo and shoot at grail-like units they will have killed 4 of them; that's more than doubling their value.
the reason it seems like they are weak is because it's the cheapest artillery piece shooting at the most elite unit; therefore 1 doesn't do much, neither are 2 a danger, but 4 are truly dangerous and a real issue if you let them shoot (so dive them; darkshards does amazing dmg to grails, spears takes a long time to kill. in fact 2 bolt throwers can almost finish a grail off in the time it take the grail to chew through the cheapest unit.
another option is the kharybi; it screens the grails and if they ever commit so does it; on top of a unit against grails it does amazingly and it gives the mass needed to insure they can't easily push through.
i am saying there is a lot of counter play.
but like any other unit in Tww good units are good bc their stats are just good, so more is better :D
either way I find that the counter to all these new OP units comes mostly down to utilizing units we almost never see. (I can imagine hellblasters might be good; false tested skirmish anti-armour are very strong, and it's 3 units of crowbow darkriders which will go through a grail very fast or it's 1darkrider+1chariot which again will do very good against the grail if not mismicroed enough they are fully caught; again same price and you get a chariot for infantry later.
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but either way it gets boring too see swarms off only elites, bc not swarm kind of unit, and it's not fun to not see the big fun hitters ^^ so its good to restrict the truly broken, and while they can be countered even bringing 5 of them is pretty valid, which is just too good, like 2 max of a super elite, else its not elite; 5 is just commen :P
their price is properly just a bit too low, if it 2400 gold, it would still be good also easily capable of making its price back with good micro; but that's the price of 3 bolt throwers; which will absolutely counter a single grail if you mismanage it and let it be hit freely ^^
which is a 600 ish increase in price, but balance it a bit if is, as it is the super elite of human cavelry (although yes 2400 is gryphon price; but would you rather have a gryphon in those cases you would bring a grail if they cost the same?
gryphons is a lot easier to burst target and a lot harder to protect and does less against most targets, a grail is brought for the amazing disturbance it can now provide and that's why it is worth that 600 extra gold, because it can literally run through hellbrads as if they where not even there; you pay 600gold for your dragon lord to do that? yer, thought so; amazing price for that honestly
Blessed trebuchets are actually goated if you can keep them safe
it's funny I never see the one allowed grail knight played to its potential, it's like people overestimate how op they are and throw them away, they are not as tanky as monstruous cav.
I haven't been paying too much attention to the multiplayer scene lately, is Malekith the only Dark Elf lord that gets picked these days? I don't seem to see anyone else apart from the occasional sorcereress on a dragon.
Yeah, he's pretty much the only one. Morathi was good in WH2 because soulstealer healed for like 600 flat hp and she had a low health pool so she benefitted more from it. Now soulstealer heals 12% hp, so it's better to use it on the highest hp lords possible. Plus half the Dark Elf lords have always kind of sucked
Witch elves are good tech for applying rampage on cavalry. Do alright against Brettonia in my experience
What a great video.
Any thoughts on Bretonnia maybe bringing their lord and paladins on flying mounts in this occasion?
Had the same thought. Try to isolate Malekith in air and goon him out with a flying squad. Curious how buffed Louen would go against him.
@@mickeyboyracer I was saying this for mostly the mobility and speed of their Pegasus’s, big map, domination, and there is a chance of gooning a giga-carry dragon lord. But I don’t know any De meta or staple picks to actually know if a Malekith carry is common in this matchup
@@chewyhazerd3587 Yeah fair enough but I think their cav gives them plenty of mobility. The issue for my mind is Malekith is just able to hard carry - even if he can't be taken out if he can be restricted from just dominating then that would be helpful. If he was kept to say 3k value (instead of 6k) then result was probably a DE loss. I'd still like to see Louen & Henri take him on and see how they do. Louen is pretty solid since his buffs.
Dude wasted those grail knights. Didn't do the basic Look Left and Right and Left again before crossing the street.
pwn seems to be an orc, he just runs forward cause he wants da scrap and worry about things like winning later
Beastmen need love. Please God's of chaos bless tha Gors
Thumbnail game is strong
Damn right!
Feels like the Grail Knights were kinda wasted, big misplay there.
Watching this, I just noticed that the Fay Enchantress doesn’t have ITP. Why wouldn’t she have ITP? It seems strange to me….
Even though bretonnia ended up losing, i still feel them being able to field better infantry than the dark elves kinda sucks lore wise. Would really like the edgy boys to get some units to fill out their roster a bit and not just rely on malekith every game
I must have missed the part where bretonnia fielded better infantry then
Man TH-cam realy needs to do something against that scammers. Under evry coment is that stupid stuff....
Why is it ended early?
My opponent surrendered
@@profpwn9446 it was a good battle.
Comments for the comment gods
can we see some orcs please?
Soulstealer is such a stupidly IMBA spell but bretonia is such a stupidly IMBA faction
I can't believe I'm rooting for MALEKITH against Bretonnia. What has CA done to me!?
too bad that some races straight up vanished from the game in competitive mode : (
i never understand why against bretonia you would not constantly alternate spears for each point. i see that sisters of slaughter and black arc corsairs are useful but they cannot brace against the shock cavalry
Man Bretonnian cav charging into and fighting spears while taking 0 damage and trading evenly into specialized antilarge armor piercing cav is kinda dumb
I wanna see two Jezzail units absolutely wreck some grail reliques while rattling gunners and avalanche mortars crush the stupid peasants. That would free up some rat ogres to kill the knights. Somebody give it a try! Haha
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Dear Turin, this is an intervention. There is no easy way to say it, but you need to stop using "dread".
First!!!111111
BORING!
Uh. No. Dont you dare touch my grail knights. I dont play MP. And they are finally good in campaign. Stop ruining the SP experience for whatever it is you think it should be in MP.
They gonna get nerved, deal with it
@@nerath639 shouldn't. MP is such a small fraction of the game. Besides. Working as intended.
Here's the thing, CA can change a unit costs in MP and not touch the SP stats. So that's what I'm hoping for.
@zitowolfram7618 ever since this "competitive" scene started emerging from the 5% though, CA been dropping the ball trying to please such a small minority. I hope you right.
@@animewarrior3 MP is the way to go in order to properly balance vanilla units.
You got a sterile environment without tech and weird campaign mechanics.
MP balance is the only way to kind of establish a general balance into a asymetric game like total war warhammer.
CA knows that and used MP as reference for a decade now.
Grail Knights are OP .... it show in MP and even on reddit most people agree on that.
You need a propber balancing baseline and then add stuff like traits, techs campaign mechanics etc
this way its much easier to handle unit balancing and where to adress
And no, they are not working as intended
Eww is that a CA map? Those are trash, waste of time.
Nah, Itza is fun
Your comment is a waste of time aswell
Itza and ark are solid maps
Facts! Itza is a great map.
pwn shoula really just sniped the grails and heroes with malekith, he's a single targeting killing machine, 55 attack on a dragon is insane