Which Lens Filter System Is Best For You?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- If you're sick of screwing on and off lens filters every time you need them... it may be time to figure out which is the best lens filter system for you! In this video, we compare 4 different systems: the Alter RFS, Freewell Magnetic Filter, NiSi V6 and Haida M10 filter systems.
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2:40 - Alter RFS - bit.ly/alterrfs01
5:45 - Freewell Magnetic Filters - geni.us/x8rX1 (new magnetic step up rings - geni.us/freewellstepup)
7:45 - NiSi V6 Kit - geni.us/nisiv6
11:18 - Haida M10 Kit - geni.us/haidam10
13:55 - What works best for me.
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Which lens filter system do you think would work best for you?
NiSi guy here. Sad that I broke my 10-stop filter the other day though... Love the quality of their filters and I love the spinning, low profile circular polarizer that comes with the filter holder. I find that I'm leaving the filter holder behind most of the time these days and just using the circpolarizer even for video. The Haida looks kinda cool, and I totally agree about a magnetic ring that would allow you to use the Freewell with anything, maybe that's a signature product deal for you in the future with them!
Thanks for sharing Chris! Freewell actually responded about that this morning. Apparently the issue is twofold... 1. Someone else has a patent on that design. And 2. It causes big netting because the system becomes too thick. I guess it was just wishful thinking lol.
@Dunna Did It you should check out the Manfrotto Xume system, it is like the Freewell magnetic system but you can use your own filters.
I use the Nisi system when I take landscapes and nature shots and cicular polarisation and variable NDs from Kenko for everyday use.
The Freewell if they could make a magnetic adaptor. Other than that the Alter looks the best.
Nice tutorial on filter systems. Very informative.
Great video, I've been trying to figure out different filter systems for a while now & this helps a lot! Thanks... oh & I love the intro!
Thanks a ton!
That's a great suggestion for the magnet filter adapter. I just bought an alpha series camera and I'm having a lot of fun with it. This is the perfect explanation for me as building out my system, great job!
Perfectly informative video. Helped me choose my set up. Thanks.
Also- love the intro “first of all- coffee!”
Keep it up, mate.
Great to hear!!
Thank you - excellent video!
So helpful, Dunna. Thanks brother!
My pleasure Glen! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the tips, I really like the magnet idea with the Freewell system, quick change is nice. I like your suggestion for them as well of the magnet filter holder for other filters.
Glad you liked it Jason! I have reached out to Freewell about that... hopefully they think its a good idea too!
I'm putting the Alter system on my list of stuff to buy ASAP. That just blew my freaking mind 🤯
It's been my go to for a while. Until I dropped my camera and bent one of them 🤦🏻♂️Luckily the RFS+ probably saved my camera and my filter, but I gotta wait to get another one now lol.
Your intro is elegant 😻
Being completely new to using filters, the magnetic ones look to be the easiest to implement. Could totally be wrong on that, but I'm definitely intrigued by them. Thanks for the comparisons, Dunna. I found them helpful.
You're totally right, the catch with the magnetic ones is that you need somewhere to put them when you're not using them. But I love how easy they are to use!
Who knew filters could be so interesting! Haha
Great video, had no idea about those freewell magnetic filters, seems like an interesting concept
Haha it's not exactly a sexy topic but I tried to keep it moving lol.
I have tried many kinds of filters and in the end, I prefer the Kase magnetic attached filters.
I am currently working with the 82mm PM variable ND filters and they are so great for style of running and gunning photos and video. I have been shooting a lot of skate videos lately so being able to just keep the filter on and just change the lighting as needed has been awesome!! Thanks for the info man!
Nice! I use the 77mm but wish I got the 82mm ones.
Wich one do you guys have? 2-5 or 6-9?
I have both and use both all the time. I use my 6-9 mostly when I am doing long exposure photography and my 2-5 when I am actually filming videos. 🤘🤘
Filters and Filter systems are a great hustle!
What a way to make bank with a product that is so much easier to make than lenses, yet being able to charge as much as many lenses!
I've been enjoying playing around with different variable ND filters on the market. As much as you may lose a little bit of quality, for the most part it is almost indistinguishable (unless you're shooting for a billboard). It's a great solution for daily vlogs/candid shoots where your lighting may be changing frequently, and you don't want to fuss about switching filters all the time!
Agreed! I'm a VND guy myself as well. It's just so quick and easy. And if you couple that with something like the alter rfs so you can "remove" the ND effect without actually having to screw it off and store it somewhere... you're golden!
@@dunnadidit awesome:)
Good review on the mechanics of the various systems but I am also curious how they compare regarding color cast and sharpness
I have a few other videos comparing certain filters. Not specifically these since some of them aren’t even filters, just systems for mounting
I heard getting an 82mm filter and using step-up rings is the way to go. Good to hear this is basically backed up. 👍🏽
That being said, my next filter will be that same PM PolarPro ND filter.
Great video!
Nice!!
Yezzr!
Great video as always Dunna! Would love to see a review/comparison between the Manfrotto XUME magnetic filter system and the Freewell system. The Manfrotto systems works super well but you do get some vignetting at super wide angles. I wonder if the Freewell has a thinner filter ring that would eliminate some of the vignetting
Thanks a ton! Yeah a few people have brought them up so far! I gotta check em out!
but first coffee - love that!
Words to live by
thank you for Run Gun idea
Cheers!!
This was an awesome explainer vid. Seeing four options was cool and all with unique features. You didn’t like the 100mm filter systems due to the time it takes to setup and remove filters but wouldn’t it be ez to just slide out the filters when you want to shoot without them?
It’s not so much about the filters themselves but about setting up and carrying around the system that you need to put the filters into. It’s super great for certain things but for my style of mostly run and gun hybrid shooting it’s not the best.
Hey Dunna, thanks for all the great aps-c videos. Which ND filter to you recommend for the F4 18-105mm lens?
I definitely recommend a set of variable ND’s I like the polar pro Peter McKinnon ones, but there are lots of options out there!
You forgot the coffee filter.
Oh man! I feel silly for not thinking of this joke. I even did the coffee thing at the start 🤦🏻♂️
Take a drink every time Dunna says "Running and Gunning" Great video I learned a lot. THANKS! - Brett
Question... is it OK to use multiple step-up rings to make filters fit? ie; 55mm to 67mm would require 3 step-up rings.
Haha I love it!
It really depends on the focal length. On a super wide lens, that might be a problem with vignetting. But I’ve done it with my apsc 30mm before and had no problem using like 5 step ups. That being said, I highly recommend getting single step ups instead of those packs. Check out the link in the description. You can get a single step up from 55 to 67 (or at least you should be able to)
Thanks for the Video, Been a couple of years and an update would be great. For my A7IV I often shoot pictures and quickly want to do video with a VND filter. Does the Haida Make a VND filter? That would be great. I guess if they do not maybe the Tilta Mirage is the next best thing although bulkier. I often wonder if the magnetic type filters systems spin when trying to dial in with a VND filter on top? Any new products with this type of system. Thanks!
I don't own a camera but very much passionate about it so just curious to know that can we use 2 filters together? Like what if we are on a outdoor shoot and we want to use ND as well black pro mist filter or polarizer filter or uv filter together?
I have a 100mm system by a company called kase! They’re really great I would definitely recommend them
I’ll have to check it out!
For the Alter RFS do you vignetting when shooting wide?
Is there any light leakage with the NiSi or Haida systems? Have you tried the Lee or H&Y systems? I am intrigued with the H&Y magnetic system.
Hi, can you still use the polarpro peter McKinnon cap on the VND filter while it’s on the alter system?
Filters are my biggest ball ache 😂 I use to use circular filters for landscape photography, then moved to the NiSi V5 system which I love! Then I got into filming so use a tiffen variable ND filter!
What I hate the most are step up rings, the amount of plier marks mine have in them from where I have tried to get them undone is ridiculous 😂
I totally hear that! Actually the alter jar opener is really handy for that! I haven’t had to use pliers in a while!
@@dunnadidit Might have to see if I can get one delivered to the UK! Cheers man, hopefully I can go plier-free one day! xD
Any opinion about Kase filters ?
Thanks for this review. Question: Vignetting problems with wider angle lenses and the circular system(s)?
Sorry...I did not watch to the end; you noted the vignetting with circular ND filters.
I didn't have any vignetting issues at 17mm with any of these. Keep in mind I'm using a step up ring from 67mm to 77mm. So that might help.
Which nd filter for 16mm l.4 sony lence
H&Y (or Marumi) magnetic square filter is friendly usable also
Nice! I’ll have to check that out!
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Hi, can this also hold an raynox 250 and not only the thin normal filters?
Thank you for your video , One confusion generate after finalization of 77mm FREEWELL filter stop 2-5 . which (…mm to ..mm) step up/adopter ring .? Can cover Tamron 17-28 & 28-75 f 2.8 Sony E mount , thread 67mm and future lenses and which company to buy in reasonable price ...., kindly help me out of this please
The Alter system seems to be the most versatile and least likely to lose stuff for the run and gun. I have a hard enough time keeping up with lens caps and I've yet to leave the same room when I'm shooting. ☺ You'd need a filter caddy to keep up with everything if you're on the move.
Do you remember the first National Treasure movie, and they had to use the Ben Franklin glasses to read the map (or whatever hidden image it was)? It had the flip up colored filters/gels. I wonder if a company could come up with that, in the same vein as stacked 100mm filters? Everything is kept together and you just put in what you need by flipping up or down the filter. 100mm glass with the versatility of the Freewell system, and the ability to turn "on/off" your filter scheme of the Alter.
If you invent this as the Dunna branded system, send me a little love. ;)
Great video!
Wow, that would be quite the contraption. I kinda wanna see it now!
I have canon 50mm 1.4 usm lence. Which size nd filter I have to buy?
Alter RFS seems great, the only thing that is a disadvantage is the fact that it apparently vignettes on wide-angle lenses... Any way to go around that?
Cool video dude, keep it coming!
Honestly, all 4 of these systems gave me some minor vignetting if I pushed them wide enough with step up rings and such. I think the best way to go for less vignetting is the 100mm systems. And getting the alter rfs+ instead of step up rings first helps as well.
Vignetting is so easy to fix, I wouldn't worry about it.
It's definitely easy to fix in photos but it can be a lot tougher in video when you cant push the images around as much. Also, using image stabilization you might notice that your vignette moves around a lot. I remember when I saw that for the first time it confused the hell out of me lol.
@@dunnadidit omg moving vignette! Must be good for horror movies or something...
Sir Which ND filter I should buy for sigma 56mm on Sony a6400
Do they make any filters for the Sigma 20 mm 1.4 art
I love my NISI..... the glass is by far super quality
But the Haida system is a bit better how you can drop filters behind the adapter
So I use my NISI Glass with my Hadia system and it's the perfect combo
Thanks, Dunna
regards, Rick
Thats awesome! The beauty of the 100mm filters is that you can swap like that. Do you find the nisi ones fit ok with their little gasket type thing?
@@dunnadidit
At first, the filters that had the gaskets were a bit difficult to get in but after a few times of sliding them in and out, they became a bit easier.
I had thought about removing the gasket on the 100x100's but really I mostly use the Gradient filters (100x150) on the front of the Hadia and use the Haida ND circular filter in back for a perfect combo
Thanks for another Great video
regards, rick
Thats good to know! Thanks for sharing Rick!
nice .......
Maybe you can try the retractable filter system of Hong Kong's HY company, which is more convenient and faster to use than the above brands
Hey Dunna - Thank you for creating and posting this very helpful video. I have a quick question. ND filters are often described as "sunglasses for your lens" - Makes sense I guess. So I have to use prescription sunglasses and before ordering I am offered 3 choices of colour tint; a brown, a green or a blue. I Choose blue everyday of the week because as well as the reduction in glare, the blue just looks very natural to me. Of the variable ND filters I have seen, they are all based on a brown colour. So here is my question - eventually - Are there different colours of ND filters available ? - If so, have you tried any? - Thank you for reading my "life story" and I hope you can come back to me. Cheers, Peter.
Hey Peter! Generally, ND’s are designed to be as transparent color wise as possible. If an ND filter looks like it has a color to it, it’s probably made that way to specifically FIX any color shift that it might have added... that being said, there’s no such thing as a perfect filter and all of them add some kind of slight shift in color. Really high quality ones will get closer to no shift than cheaper ones (usually) that said, I’m sure if you dig into some Google searching, someone has probably made some effect filters designed to add specific colors!
@@dunnadidit Thank you - I appreciate that.
My pleasure!
what about step down rings, how much vigneting does it do a stepdown ring from 95 to 82? honestly i can't find a 95mm vnd or cpl polar pro, I'm interested in buying canon rf 28-70 f2 lens, but because that one is a 95mm and i can't find filter for it, it's like a deal breaker for me
Dunna, how do lens hoods work relative to these filter systems?
I am leaning toward the 100mm Nisi’s. Thanks for your outstanding, hugely helpful videos!
Generally, the stock lens hood won’t work, but maybe you can get some other hoods that are designed to fit on top of a filter system.
Thanks for the kind words Glen!
I have wide lenses with built-in hoods that have no filter threads. To deal with that, I ordered a custom adapter to slide onto the lens hood and provide a mount for my NiSi 100mm filter holder. Works awesome, and is even faster to attach to the lens because you don't have to screw onto any threads. I can dig through my email and find more info about if you want?
Chris Koehn Thanks so much Chris! I’ll go ahead and look into it. And thx Dunna.
Thanks for sharing that Chris! I always wondered what people did with those big bulbous 12mm lenses where the front element sticks out past the edge of the lens.
@@ChrisKoehn I have a lens like that too. Who did the custom adapter for you? Does NiSi offer that service?
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Adds to the general knowledge pool but as a new user I am more confused after watching this video. I wonder if there is anyone out there who can provide the help a new and first time filter user can turn to. Which is the better for the non professional who just wants good work? I use a tripod and understand cameras and their use, what is the best medium price alternative?
dont forget to charge the middle light on your shelf. It went out in the video around 7:27 lol
Haha nice catch!
has Freewell tempered their glass? I broke one in my hand with just slight pressure.
I did get the 82 mm step ups but I find it problematic with VNDs it sometimes rotates the wrong thing. Or taking off the filter the step up will come off with it I rather just buy the 77 and 82 as I need.
To each their own!
I got the
nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6g ed vr
Lens,is there any way to put on some filter holders?
You just need to figure out what the filter thread size is. It should be printed on the lens
I wish they made a magnetic system where you can add adapters to your choice of NDs
They do: Manfrotto Xume system.
Nice!!
Dunna Did It I own one but I dont really recommend it if you want to use it for variable ND filter because the magnetic is weak and it rotates with the filter everytime when you adjust the brightness. Also, switching filters are easier but still annoying. Filter flipper is much better.
“Dunna here and today we’re gonna DO IT...” Ya know... cause dunna did it? I always think he is going to say that 😂
Haha! Maybe someday!
Hy, the NiSi V6 will work with the 24-70 G master ?
Should!
Would you consider of upgrading your A6400 to A6600? Great video though! :)
Yes. I think I’m actually going to do that. But mostly so I can vlog with my non stabilized lenses again. But for a lot of people I wouldn’t actually recommend it. A6400 is great bang for buck.
I have two cameras, A7iii and GH4 lumix, I consider to sell my GH4 and get the A6400. However, I just discover the A6600, what really amazed me is the Z batteries. I'm kinda bit stuck between the A6400 and A6600 LOL
I think I'm gonna pick up a 6600 almost exclusively for the z battery.
What boat?
Could I use step up ring on Alter RFS?
Yeah you should be able to! They also make the alter RFS+ now which is a step up itself
Can someone answer this question... When shooting a video indoors in a dark setting with neon lights in the background (I’m filming a rock band perform) would there be a point using any kind of filter?
I'm going to have to watch this repetitively today
someone please make a universal ND filter!
what's the vignetting has to do with the diameter of the lens?
Because vignetting happens around the edges, sometimes using a step up ring to a larger filter, it can slightly minimize the vignette. It is minimal and it will only be noticeable on some focal lengths but it’s there.
@@dunnadidit Thank you
The magnetic system
No lens hoods?
Nah, never use em
What about internal clip in filters 🧐
You referring to the ones that go in behind the lens?
@@dunnadidit yeah, I've heard of them but never really seen them in action, think that would be interesting to see ya know
Yeah! Totally! I think it only works with specific lenses tho so you'd have to make sure you had those.
The magnetic ones looks and seems so convenient buuuut its so expensive to just import them :/
TBH, all these systems seem a bit pricey. It's just one of those things you have to decide if you're willing to invest in.
The magnetic adapter system you want it already exist, search “XUME magnetic filter adapter”
Yeah it looks pretty cool, a couple people brought it up and actually freewell responded to my email and said there is a patent on that system so I assume that’s manfrotto who has it.
Which Lens Filter System Is Best For My Samsung S20FE?
.... "But first.. COFFEE!!".. That's pretty much me 😂 so that made my day 😎
''but first, coffe'' ok Peter :D
Lol it’s really too bad that, even though billions of people on this planet drink coffee, and its the most popular beverage in the world... I can’t put it in my video without getting this comment.
@@dunnadidit yeah that's bad, that was just a joke.
Thanks for letting me know. I guess after getting similar comments from people who were more trying to put me down, I'm a bit jaded. I appreciate you trying to have some fun in the comments section though, I'll try to lighten up if I see your name in the comments again ;)
@@dunnadidit Don't let the haters get you down man, you're an amazing content creator, and the quality is always on point. Keep the great work :D
Thanks 😁😁😁
I'm first to watch this, ❤️
Wooo firsting it up!
I'm confused, is that Peter McKinnon? Does he have another TH-cam question. Serious questions!
You say "about" same way as Peter aye, is it canadian thing?
Yeet
I couldn't agree more!
Alter..... Hmmm ordered September 2019 delivered January 2020 with extra charges because they sent it to me from China. I live in Europe. So 2 system with a cost 180 euros!!!! This is so overpriced. You will find in Amazon system like this for 30 euros with no extra charges. Very disappointing
Who doesn't love magnets
WARNING UPDATE : Uurig dunna it also with an excellent Alter system copy at the very lower price!! Yes I know, I'm cool 😎 lol
None of these solve the common filter problems without sacrificing something else.
The intro music is terrible, sorry
How is it terrible? I would love to know why you think that? Just a style of music you don't like?
@@dunnadidit No offense, love your vids!
Interesting take, the intro music is a fairly modern electronic kind of “future bass” style which I quite enjoy. It fits my style quite well because while it has good energy to it, it’s not overly aggressive and has a nice happy tone to it. What kind of music would you suggest?
This is the most Peter McKinnon rip off guy I’ve ever seen lmao.
Do you feel better about yourself having left that comment? Is your fragile ego feeling a little stronger having put me in my place? You really got me! I am now defeated. Congrats