Urban Combat: Fighting Positions
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- Some basic introduction on Fighting Positions in Urbanized Terrain according to a US Marine Corps Manual.
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Military Operation on Urbanized Terrain (MOUT) or MCWP 3-35.3
Thanks to Anastasiia Ovcharuk (translation) and Roman Shopa (edition) for providing Ukrainian subtitles.
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The US Army released an extensive report on the Russian Army's experience with urban warfare in the Second Chechen War. It read as if it was based on internal Russian "lessons learned" documents. The gist of it was they had forgotten everything learned in Stalingrad and lost a lot of soldiers bitterly relearning how to engage in urban combat. This could make an interesting presentation by Military History Visualized.
Samuel Thompson
Seconding this.
Would be great case studies! Looking forward to the video :p
I would have thought the first chechen war was even more applicable no? What with the abject Russian failure in Grozny in 95.
There are still tank commanders in Russian army that curse constructors for overfilling tank hull with ammo
Any penetration resulted in full death
@LtKharn Dunno. I thought that Russian experiment concerning how sending a tank column without infantry support to urban combat would work did not bring any surprising results. ;)
7:53 Are you telling me snipers don't usually 360 quickscope off of bridges?
"Praise ALLAH what is that crazy American doin-" -Famous Last Words
_Russians squatting in the parking lot of the local convenience store, not giving a fuck, getting ready to rush "B"._
@@DxBlack they already rushed Berlin, remember?
you heard him, veterans ignore the manuals
@@Legitpenguins99 now we're just gonna rush every territory, whose name begins with "b", gotta keep things consistent
They do, they just 360 officers
I remember seeing a WW2 British video about this. One of the hardest things to teach is holding your fire until the enemy is in an effective range. This is also really important in urban warfare. Often the difference between wiping out an enemy patrol or fighting it for hours is does EVERYONE wait. It seems like there is always that one guy that screws the pooch. I've found this is true about life in general.
@Ariel Traasdahl what
Oh..What is going on here
theres a video of a Ukrainian tank taking on a long line of enemy russian armor and winning. based on his postion he fired so the rest of the enemies could not see him even though he was in front of them and he hit them at their rear and blind spots. the tanks in the video fired wilding where they thought he was but thanks to their small window of their armor they only knew which side they were hit on. the ukranian tank was unbelievable and i think used spotters to help control when it fired and where to hit. the spotters basically warned it of tanks coming and when to stop firing so it would reveal its location from other vehicles looking in it direction. russia..... they did forget alot. i feel like they arent building on troop and vehicle tactics they known for and just relying on new tactics brought up by some scientist or general for the modern fight. we fucked up alot in the middle east but learned from it and we taught the Ukrainians well.
@@jerseyjackrabbit2829 that tank reminds of "we're outnumbered three to one!" "Then it is an even fight."
@@deejeh9494 wasnt even close to even. they got hammered and still didnt know where he was. i was on the edge of my seat thinking any moment now he was gonna get hit but he was behind wheel going "hahah i have heavier balls then you!!"
My Grandfather was in a tank under Patton...
He used the position many times... But there was the one case which they didn't know the house had a basement... Well, not until they found it with a tank... He and the rest of the tank crew were mostly unharmed, excluding there pride.
Dave Brunero XD hope they are well then.
they're dead.
One word. Cool. Lots of respect for veterans and there family's for retelling their heroic and funny experiences.
Fell through the floor you mean?
@@Meloncholymadness those old houses, maybe 100's of years old, would have had wood beams. A tank? No. I wouldn't.
4:50 "Other stuff" picture of a locomotive. I will make sure to have one around in case I need to participate in urban combat. This reminds me of a story that has a little German wordplay in it. It was some sort of memoir of fighting in Stalingrad and there was a sentence: "Our train driver has fallen." What does a train have to do with infantry fighting in Stalingrad? Well, in German original there was the term Zugführer. Der Zug means train. So the translater thought it meant train driver. In fact Zug also means platoon, so actually the soldiers had lost their platoon leader. Quite an interesting translating mistake.
Jaak Sootak
So I should block the entrance to a building using an entire platoon?
I'm guessing they mistook it for Zugfahrer?
German is awful confusing, but interesting nonetheless.
Actually Zugsführer is still a rank in the austrian military. It is the last rank before the Unteroffiziersränge.
And a Zug is the smallest unit. Usually around 4 Züge form a Kompanie (company) and so on.
EDIT: The word Zugführer could be used for train driver.
Trains to me sound more useful in breaching than defense.
Squad leader "Ok squad time to move in, breach and clear, are you ready"
Johnson: "Yes sir"
Abbot "Right away"
Samson "got it"
Smith "on the move"
Thomas "CHOO CHOO!"
"A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine." -Unknown german officer
Hollywood has taught the west to improvise on the fly. The SAS raided a base by strapping soldiers to attack helicopters and dropping right in to the base and letting all hell loose.
That quote illustrates the shortcomings of rigid tactical doctrine. Sargeants and Lieutenants should know the manual, but ignore its recommendations when individual circumstances would be better served by another approach.
"Aprende las reglas cómo un maestro, para poder romperlas cómo un artista" - Picasso
@@mamneo2Don't care
@@stefanoicepick the actions of the American government and it's policies do not accurately represent the majority of Americans, and certainly not their essence as Americans. You sound just as ignorant as those you condemn. Don't confuse corrupted politicians with the ordinary people.
3:10 “make sure the area underneath is wet to reduce friction-I mean to avoid dust”
I’ve not seen any comments referencing this, and I’m ashamed it’s taken a couple years to notice it
Why do i get the feeling youtube is trying to tell us something today.
I'm definitely taking notes
@Ian Smith if you live in the US , do some weapon training , if you live in europe well ... I got bad news for you Kamerad :/
@@abdelakarumb6156 europe? perhaps you meant WESTERN RUSSIA
Guess what
This aged well lmao
Very well organized, I love the diagrams, very informative video as always!
Griff
Armchair History szz
From XCOM to Starcraft 2 (Coop Commander Tychus)
From Armchair Historian to Armchair General
Military History Visualized in a bombshell (nutshell)
i almost want to say half of that stuff was common sense? but then again common sense in a combat situation which aint your average common sense. but i did see the connections between every day common sense and combat common sense which was pretty interesting.
Shut up
Hi
First lesson is; stay well back from the window and do not put your barrel through. That will make it too easy to spot you. Stay back in the shadows and behind cover instead.
I remember we used to hang a thick blanket behind us, if we were positioned with concrete walls in our back. It was mainly to take the ricochets and rubble from the few rounds that eventually came through.
Other informative advice from the manual: "when shooting at the enemy, position your gun with the barrel muzzle facing the enemy, rather than your face." and "when driving a vehicle, observe the road ahead through the windshield, texting is not recommended..."
One of the things to note here is that the reason we tend to stray from FM's is mostly because they've been mostly irrelevant to the type of enemy we've been facing the past 20 years. FM's were mostly developed over the Cold War years as a guideline for force-on-force engagements as opposed to the current asymmetric warfare that we engage in now and as such are not very useful. Additionally, the threats we face constantly change to counter our current tactics, and so we rely more heavily on SOP's and TTP's that we develop and constantly update ourselves to adapt to these threats.
what are SOPs and TTPs?
Standard Operating Procedures- Guidelines that vary from unit to unit. Generally just the way a unit does something. Sometimes developed through training or situation. Some SOP's are more widespread across the board, others are more specific based on situations.
And Tactics Techniques and Procedures are more towards the side of doctrine. Write ups shared between units or branches. SOP's are generally developed from them.
Ironically how FMs were found to be most useful in a war between two former Soviet states.
It should be noted that the above stated field manual was developed as a result of the marines combat action in the first battle of Falujah.
That explains why I've never heard of boarding up windows, extensive use of wire mesh, and "fortifying" rooftops to protect against helicopter attack and insertion.
OK, but what do you do when the sectoid mind-controls the grenadier covering your flank?
if the grenadier is far away enough, get everyone in cover, else rush to kill the sectoid.
Wow! I'm really impressed by the customer service on this channel! :O)
it's even better on Patreon ;)
now i want a joke video based on xcom
I was just about to play xcom literally right after I read this comment O.o
I think it should be pointed out that concealment is not just that you're not seen but that you're not in a building/feature that everyone and their mother is going to stare at.
A Concrete house ontop of a hill looks like a great position, but its likely the first thing an enemy command had his heavy ordinance sight in on.
consider in WW2 that it was standard practice for allied tank crews in Normandy to shoot every church tower/windmill they came across just to guarantee there were no snipers there.
This style of thinking can also be used to a great advantage against less disciplined troops as they will fixate attention on obvious defensive features while not paying enough attention to their entire arc of fire.
Love the jokes you put in and the pictures that appear for a few frames
Random Guy In this video, I saw one
Damnit now I need to watch again without looking at comments lol
4:40
@@richielavey1565 4:40
So silly
0:36 protection
Spread put
1:16 concelment
1:50 routes (escape resrurply)
2:12 fire threats
3:00 what position looks like
6:10 armord vehicles
7:17 missles
7:52 sniper
4:39 Layered Books
Never, ever let the muzzle of your rifle stick out through a window while waiting for the enemy.
A gun barrel casts a distinctive shadow on the side of a building, pointing out your location.
When the fighting starts, do what works for you at the moment inspiration strikes.
my uncle was in stalingrad , 6th army 41st pionniers , he was 17 back then , i was 8 when he was lying on his deathbed, having survived the progress to staliingrad, the siege, the enveloppement and finally 10 years of gulag. He spent that night telling me what stalingrad was like , he always was very lucid. about gridding windows he said they used it at first, until the russians added hooks to their grenades, so it would get stuck and explode right in gront of the window, shrapnel doing collossal damage because at hight. he also told me about plenty other shit that would make any idealist drop everything and run in tears. i consider him a hero, despite beeing on the wrong side, just because he survived what so many could not.... he's one in a thousand... litterally
gillecroisd 92 thanks mate we sure as hell aint weak!
Hooks in soviet grenades...wow
+Sick Boz Goooooolly. He sure sounded like a good ol' hardass from what your sayin. Yall sure as hell better respect the fella. I agree with gillecroisd 92 too. Cuz he was in the Wehrmacht he was one of the majority of the good fightin germans. Fuck Merkel! If you'll scuze my sayin.
Literally he was , not many returned from the gulags .
Serving on the wrong side? Um, do you think russians were the right side? lol there are no good or bad sides
the fact that there are Ukrainian translations tho
this
yea the subtitles lol
They weren't there before...
@@enderground9542 to be fair is a 10 mins video, and kinda explain a lot for that time, also its put in a very simplistic way that even someone with low English (like me xd) can understandit
A huge chunk of the views are probably Ukrainians lol
covering Windows will get you additional XP
:)
Fliyo MB I see what you did there. :)
Fliyo MB
Wow.
Out
Instructions unclear, I covered all Windows and got Millennium instead...
Lol this ain't R6S hahaha
You've also got to consider backblast effects of weapon systems to effectively employ them inside a structure (most nations don't use Armbrusts) and not kill yourself or allies. Depending on the nature of the enemy being fought, many tanks have limits to elevation and depression of their weapon systems. Effectively, this means that at a given distance that there are certain elevations (and depressions) that a tank cannot fire upon, and armor tends to be weaker on the top. Chechens capitalized upon this during the Chechen Wars. Chechens tended to use multiple three person teams against armor; each team consisted of one machinegunner (to suppress infantry) one sniper (to engage tank commander/make tank button up and suppress infantry) and one RPG to engage armor. A fully buttoned up tank loses situational awareness and is far less effective. The Chechen method was extremely effective at destroying armor. Other ways of fighting armor in urban environments involve halting them in a confined area, such as with dummy antitank mines. The Hungarians used upside-down soup plates (they looked like AT mines) in 1956, then attacked halted armor with Molotov cocktails or live electrical wires from above. Cover varies depending on the weapon system--what may stop a 7.62*51 round may be mere concealment against a .50 BMG. As with regular fighting positions, it is wise to have alternate and contingency positions. The use of and consolidation of range cards is a force multiplier. Stakes may be useful to delineate fields of fire, particularly with crew served weapons. Urban environments are excellent locations to set traps; an entire building can be covertly rigged with explosives to destroy many adversaries at one time. Doctrine has its limits--strict interpretation of doctrine allows for an adversary to anticipate and preempt your moves. Most snipers don't go for the absolute highest elevation, because those locations automatically attract attention. The use of command detonated explosives against your enemy is highly recommended. Removing stairs inside a building and placement of nail boards can be useful to deny enemy access and channel enemy movements.
The only problem with putting defences on the roof top of the building is it tells the attacker where to drop their bombs or artillery. 155mm rounds are great for pesky troops hiding in buildings.
This suddenly became relevant again
"Cities are the graveyards of armies" The Germans learned this at Stalingrad, and the Russians learned it at Berlin.
Funny considering both battles the Russian suffered more casualties than German, especially in Stalingrad.
...aaaand in Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Mykolaiv and Mariupol..
this comments dumb
@@ldSt3345 true true
You dont judge the victory by number of casualities but whether the objectives were achieved or not. Russia achieved its objectives. Also russia's strategy when faced with resistance or hardship in war is to throw more men at it.
I love your sense of humor when adding icons. The "Windows Security Risk" made me laugh.
Murphy's combat law: "The most dangerous thing in the combat zone is a 2nd Lieutenant with a compass and a map" (and a manual for field operations). Those informations are basic informations like the theoretical driving lessons. Useful, but it is only a shadow of the experiences of a real confrontation. I noticed, that the preparing of those buildings take a lot of time and this all is for defending them. Very structural, controlled, based on time, perfect reinforcement and medical support. Is war really like this? Didn't we forgot, that there are some other guys, trying to kill us?
if you have an advancing enemy army you can assume that they will arrive in your city on a certain date time frame... until that date you have all the time to prepare buildings, supply lines, reinforcements etc....(moscow 1941 was prepared for the showdown)......only if the enemy advances too fast and 'blitzes' your forward army, then you run out of time to prepare or prepare at all (Paris 1940)
sometimes you can actually fortify a city such that everything is as close to perfect as can be. Sure, chaos of war will introduce some problems, so the "keep it simple, stupid" rule applies - do not make things any more complicated than they absolutely have to be, but sometimes you can spend a week fortifying a strategically located city, like Stalingrad or Grozny.
@@georgiishmakov9588 Even Mauripol had several months to fortify which is why the defenders are holding out for so long
@@brokenpotato438 lmao. That city fell quicker than the twin towers 😂
TH-cam be like : you might be drafted soon , here watch this.
Would you ever consider doing a video on premodern urban combat? I think it would be quite interesting as in periods where melee engagements and/or short range exchanges of fire (think roman skirmishers or line infantry) were the only way infantry were used the tactics required would have to be completely different than those of today.
Hmmm, now I wonder why this specific video was recommended to me now.
Excellent question.
5:05 Dammit MHV, you got me again with your windows joke.
"Military operations on urbanized terrain."
Such a lovely PC phrase. Call it what it is. "FISH and CHIPS", or "Fighting in someones house and causing havoc in peoples streets".
MoonEyes2k too British, not enough freedom nonsensical ABCs
That... is... awesome!!! Love it lol
WHat, Fish and Chips? That's an old one.
Still doing it
Great, now I have to play Rainbow Six: Siege again.
Sounds great sometimes works
*BIG FUCKIN HOLE COMIN RIGHT UP*
Taking notes in canadian to prepare for big igloo
@smoky the bear you will need the notes lol
Shut up leaf
A fucking leaf
You're hidden gags are so funny 😙😉
your*
Mech Tasker Grammar nazi*
Stonekinaggressor ? What does it mean ?
Jörg Schimmer If someone corrects grammar mistakes like i did you can call such a person a "grammar nazi" not "grammar Hitler" :)
Edit:
Not sure if you asked about "grammar nazi" or "your".
You're = you are. For example "You are smart".
Your = something that belongs to you. For example: "Your father was a soldier".
Stonekinaggressor Now I got it. Shit autocorrector . I wanted to wright "your".
Pause the video right at the middle of 4:40 😂🤣 it’s a half second long.
Thank you so much for that!
3:11 love the humor lol. Great video, and very helpful with recent events!
8:42 when my grandfather told me that he didn’t trust manuals, I asked him why. He replied saying,
“I listened to a manual in how to make a pillbox. It almost got me killed. The following night, I made a fire from the manual.”
04:56
Windows security risk are so real, that even military took it into consideration
from shell shock to post traumatic stress disorder
from killing to neutralizing
from barbed wire to thectical wire
what's next from gun to tactical tool ?
nathan de crom “ordnance delivery platform”
combustion engine with single use piston
Grenade to wide area firecracker.
Bomb: big overwhelming malicious bag
I work for a company that has developed the next generation of Steyr for the Australian defence force and amongst some of the advertising blurb I once came across the term "infantry lethality device".
Why am I watching this in 2022 analyzing my own house? Oh, right.
You are not alone..
All the jars into one basked, the pause afterward was perfect.....
Love your videos man, the added umlauts and small jokes make for a delightful experience! :)
Holy shit I actually read this portion of the marine manuel and you hit it spot on.
He prolly plagiarized it. Not dissing MHV, just stating the facts.
plagiarized is, if you don't note that someone else did it and you pass it as your own.
I summarized it and cut some parts.
*manual
+Military History Visualized Thanks for informing me on that. I added 'prolly' for a reason.
ah, well, had to look that up now. Assumed it had another meaning. Thought it meant "simply" and was derived from proletariat... you communist ;)
I am a CQC combat veteran and expert as well as a former CQC instructor with SOTG and I can tell you even the basics of urban combat alludes Russians in Ukraine as well as other operations they have been involved in.
"eludes"
TH-cam sure picked a hell of a time to make this recommendation
Lmao I love the quote at the start! Also thanks for alerting me to this document. 'Hasty firing positions' is a nice part to read for gamers!
6:52 Noob tank driver, learn to sidescrape.
Bird_Dog Love that world of tanks reference
in most scenario's warring parties wont have access to helicopters, so its ground up clearing of buildings (like in syria for instance) so this manual leaves out a lot of very relevant stuff.
You should have mention that most ATGM and LAW are very dangerous to use indoor and are best placed on roofs.
They're fine so long as you have plenty of room behind or at least an opening for the back blast to escape out of. But a small room with no hole in the back wall, definitely not a good idea.
Timothy House did you even read the comment, fuckface?
Stale Meme you sound like a pathetic buffoon. Are you another one of those Call of Duty twit waffles that think you know about warfare cause you "pwn noobs for the lulz." STFU child.
Backlash and heat are biggest problem for rocket launcher.
Wow, it escalated quickly...
you have a new sub. i found this video funny with a few of the pic's you used
@demolitionranch 4:40 I know how thick this is bc of your christmas special and just about EVERY other Demo Ranch video!!! Thanks Matt!!!!!
#Demolitionranch
7:33 tree from Afrika Korps logo
I knew saving this video on my computer would be useful. Gotta prepare for that martial law
I think I saw you in the Augarten filming that. Really cool video!
thank you, was back in January as far as I remember.
Ah ok, another youtuber maybe.
3:10 I see what you did there -- wasn't expecting that from your channel, but a welcome surprise, to be sure.
Why did I think this was about imperial guardsmen from the thumbnail
Because of the helmet shape.
I never knew I had an interest in urban combat tactics until I was halfway through your video. Lol. Really good video man. I'm a damned chef. My military experience is limited to gi joe and laser tag. Lol I have almost no use for this information,(Well I hope not at least. Haha) yet somehow I found myself listening intently like I was somehow gonna be dropped into an active combat zone at the end of the video. Haha. Serious respect and heartfelt gratitude for all of you out there that have served. I sincerely thank each and every one of you.(except you Josh, I want my high cap magazines back ass hole. Lol)
Well, with how militarized the right of this country has become, I’m getting a little concerned about needing this info lol
Fantabulous. We'll need this information soon...
One of the gratest games back then.. We were playing this for hours. Just missing the handtohand combat occurrance in this sequence.
Nice for TH-cam to recommend this now
Lmao that TH-cam is recommending this to me today
I love this channel.
Fascinating. Thank you.
Watching this from the azovstal complex, thanks for the tutorial
Need to know how the Chinese fight, in case they show up
Make each shot count !
Thank you! Finally the perfect video to train my clone ar- i mean, the perfect video to learn more about urban fighting positions!
I have always admired your information dense videos, and this one is no exception. But what was the most outstanding of the visuals, is how well fitting vector icons you are using for description. They are relatively simple, pretty and are excellent at exemplifying the subject of the statement. If you dont mind, can you please inform me, where you are getting those icons from? I really like them, and if possible, might want to use them in my private projects for a similar purpouse. Obviosly, I am not trying to flank any ownership rights, so just tell me if it is not possible.
I love how they immediately have Ukrainian translate for this video
All Jars(Heads) in one basket. I like that pun.
Great vid dude (followed)
Great video. I like the windows security risk.
Funny how the TH-cam Algorithm decided that it's important to rewatch a 5 year old video from MHV. They were right, though.
Lmao, YT algorithm is always right
The algorithm is suggesting these to Ukrainian war enthusiasts
Dude my country's army should employ you as a full time presentation maker, it's much better than the trash tier PowerPoint presentations in courses
5:05 - Showing the Windows(tm) logo gives the phrase "Windows security risk" a completely new meaning 😄
On the fire hazard one at the very bottom left, when he is listing words, it will say *also to keep certain jedis away*
RAINBOW DASH!
Funny how YT is recommending this during the Riots🤦🏻 not hate on the video tho, very informative 👍
Not riots dipshit
@HanselManCan And I am talking about the black lives matter protests, which dishonest racists are labeling as riots to discredit the movement
Every major city in America didn’t burn due to peaceful protests
@breaking the 4th wall like I agree that blm are Marxist domestic terrorist
BLM has protests AND shitty fucking riots. Yknow like the town they had burnt to the ground...
gotta study before the revolution
MOUT . WHAT I remember near 50 yrs ago. Ever fight a window or a door . Make a slit in the Wall and arrange what ever rubble so channel the movement in the space In basement open passage way to get between buildings
Very interesting video (one of your best), thanks for having made it! (and very funny 2:08 & 4:39 & 4:52 etc. ! =D )
SNOUPS4 2:20 Left corner
What are the TH-cam algorithms trying to tell me? Riots are headed my way?
They want to see who records these and watch them over and over.
Yes
Anybody else watching this in June 2020 taking notes?
Thankyou I found the video valuable to me
2:20 "I don't like sand..."
Why can't I like it twice?
Create a 2nd account, then you can!
This Video has giving me A good information and Education, now i can go join to military.
This is excellent information for my next game of 6 Siege. I love holes and urban combat
3:12 Took me 3 seconds to realize and understand the joke xD
I hate sand... it stick everywhere
Wonder if an armored cherry-piker to put a sniper on would be a good for urban warfare. Putting it on an tank-like base.
It could look down city cooridors and protect troops advancing down them direction.
Even if they could not pass all roadbloks, by raising and lowering it's position, it could project the sniper's power various blocks down.
Good video good advice.
4:39 nice selfie.
The videos get's proposed by the algorythm... official ukrainian subtitles are now on it. Hmmm wonder who could be using it lmao!
Wire netting is also very effective to disguise movement within.
I am assuming that cheap construction wire fencing at a distance would also be useful to protect vulnerable areas from RPG fire as it would possibly detonate them early?
Oh I love war strategys and such like this. I might code a game about it.
US manuals are hardly ever used or read. Every other nation seems to actually read their own manuals :P
Hence that meme with the (probably made-up) quotes about Americans practising a doctrine of chaos so the enemy has no idea what they'll do.
I read it three times, high lighted and committed to memory.
Didn't say "Panzerkampfwagen" once. Unsubbed.
I like what you did with "windows"!
Great video, but I disagree with the Sniper positions segment. From what I learned, snipers are much more mobile and dangerous. Snipers usually jump off buildings in a clockwise spinning maneuver while firing upon the enemy with their sniper rifle before landing onto the ground. Usually results in a "trick-shot" to the head followed by cheers and bellows from children who witness the feat with some asking their "Mums" for "cameras"