German Defensive Tactics - Eastern Front

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  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  6 ปีที่แล้ว +335

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    • @l.h.9747
      @l.h.9747 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wofür waren die Minen mit einem Kabel verbunden ? 9:46

    • @sergius993
      @sergius993 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This presentation reminds me so much about "Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin" game. This game from 2002 is so much ahead of its time. Its a turn-by-turn strategy which focuses on the fighting at a platoon to battalion levels. I cannot recommend this game enough for all WW2 enthusiasts.

    • @Bird_Dog00
      @Bird_Dog00 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Luca Hadwiger
      This may be for remote-detonating them.
      Or to be pulled from consealment into the path of an enemy tank.

    • @rxked3593
      @rxked3593 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wie wäre es wenn du die Videos auch auf deutsch bringst?

    • @robberbarron7602
      @robberbarron7602 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Military History Visualized More of these videos

  • @93naners
    @93naners 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1718

    Please please please do more tactic video regarding specific battles. I can't be the only one who loves this style of commentary.

    • @jamesfrench4337
      @jamesfrench4337 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      This is some of the best shit on TH-cam

    • @arbitrage2141
      @arbitrage2141 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You should check out Montemayor, search up Montemayor battle of midway. He has like a dozen or so videos that are similar to this, top down graphics of various battles and he puts a lot of time and research into them he’s very accurate.

    • @arbitrage2141
      @arbitrage2141 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aronflip9353 I know.. I wish he'd come back. If you havent watched his videos there all worth a watch. My guess for the reason he's been inactive is that his videos arent profitable enough. Making several long well produced videos is detrimentally less profitable than making multiple shorter videos. Im still waiting hoping he'll come back with the second half of battle of midway.

    • @jasontimmons1715
      @jasontimmons1715 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@arbitrage2141 I actually watched that and then boom, a few weeks later I started seeing trailers for the Midway movie the just came put. Weird.

    • @-John-Doe-
      @-John-Doe- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You might like TIK’s channel - he’s in the middle of a Stalingrad series.
      th-cam.com/video/633wxS3VMdU/w-d-xo.html
      He actually had a graphic artist recreate a map of Stalingrad based on aerial photos, and as a historian, worked with others using German and Russian sources to create an accurate timeline and overlap their accounts.

  • @MrArtbv
    @MrArtbv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1496

    As an American infantry vet (NCO 82nd ABN) the set up of the depleted unit's defense looks like the units were NOT all emplaced as part of a "master" defensive plan. Rather they appear to have been slotted in as they arrived. So it's almost impossible to make a judgement about why the 50mm AT was emplaced where it was as opposed to the 88mm AT. I'm not criticizing, merely pointing out the various components were slotted in as they became available. Without knowing the sequence of their arrival it's hard/impossible to make a definitive judgement as to the tactical efficacy of "the plan". What the dispositions reflect is the German commanders assessment of where to place the different assets as availability allowed. If the line was static and free from attack it's quite possible the deployments would be changed or adjusted over time. What you're presenting is a snapshot in time; rather than a series showing the growth of the defense. Great video. Keep it up.
    PS. It does appear that the only tactical "flaw" per se.. Is the absence of a MG co-positioned with the 50mm AT to protect the crew from Soviet infantry. An MG in that position would also provide defilade/flanking fire into a North to South assault on the actual village.

    • @ragequitchan5981
      @ragequitchan5981 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      In a defensive plan like this, would it be common for equipment in the layout to be re-positioned periodically? if so how often?

    • @MrArtbv
      @MrArtbv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +219

      Well as time and circumstance allowed the position would be continuously improved. The dugouts would be linked by communications trenches; alternate/secondary positions would be created, overhead cover improved etc. LOL As an NCO it was my job to make sure the "lazy" privates ALWAYS had something to occupy their time. Of course there's also the curse of the staff officer who comes along and decides everything is just wrong and tells you to start over. Essentially you can always improve a defensive position and should. When artillery starts landing NO hole is ever deep enough for the guy crouching in it.

    • @mikhailv67tv
      @mikhailv67tv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@MrArtbv Sounds like a great Tattoo for the vet that survived artillery. " No hole was deep enough"

    • @cnlbenmc
      @cnlbenmc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Wasn't it supposed to be a pain in the ass to kill a T-34 with a 50mm AT gun from the front? At least it wasn't a 37mm "Door Knocker" and you had some chance.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      It's possible that if they're doctrinally paired together the 50mm position marker may be assumed to include an MG even if it's not mentioned.

  • @hjp14
    @hjp14 6 ปีที่แล้ว +550

    I see a lot of people asserting that the heavy machine guns were put further back in the manual example in order to provide indirect fires; while this is a possibility, I have another thought to consider. Generally speaking, heavy machine guns are placed further behind the line of fighting holes/rifle pits/whatever your preferred nomenclature is because they have longer range than the rifles, are less vulnerable when they're a bit further back, and can help cover gaps in the line. Given the Red Army's ostensible, stated lack in exploiting breakthroughs, the Germans may well have decided that the relative lack of riflemen made putting the heavy machine guns further forward worthwhile. Building up snow walls as concealment (and possibly cover; depending on the thickness and hardness of the snow and ice, they may have been able to stop some shell fragments) would seem to support this idea; without hills or other elevated positions, the snow walls would block a rear-emplaced HMG's field of fire as much as the enemy's, making putting them further forward a more attractive option. Thanks again for another excellent video! These defensive position videos are my absolute favorites!

    • @jameson1239
      @jameson1239 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      hjp14 but the heavy machine guns have the same type of ammo as the light machine guns and are the same gun the mg34

    • @hjp14
      @hjp14 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@jameson1239 that's true but tripods give crew-served weapons added stability and finer adjustments, greatly improving their long-range utility. This can be seen in the contemporary employment of the M240B, a direct descendant of the MG34 (in terms of doctrine, not mechanics). Furthermore, a GPMG's added weight makes the recoil more controllable than what you would get out of a rifle chambered in the same cartridge.

    • @xirensixseo
      @xirensixseo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      uhm.. what about shooting aircraft

    • @T1mbrW0lf
      @T1mbrW0lf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@xirensixseo - Shooting aircraft: Seldom effective, but an excellent way to reveal the weapon emplacement, piss off the pilots, and say "Here we are, come back and get us". Remember that your tracer rounds guide fire in BOTH directions . . .

    • @TanteEmmaaa
      @TanteEmmaaa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In the textbook the heavy machine guns are able to shoot at the own positions on the frontline. So if the enemy is able to capture one of them, they can't use the entrenchment to fight the other positions in the line, they still get roasted. But this tactic needs an elevated position so it is not always the best option.

  • @erotzoll
    @erotzoll 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    As an infantry platoon leader in 1989, we fought a German Panzergrenadier battalion in the Franken countryside northeast of Bamberg. I had counter-reconnaissance mission. I actually used variation of the silent machine gun TTP. I hadn't realized this was a German TTP until now. The Germans called it out in our after action review.

    • @aminedioua748
      @aminedioua748 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      was it a military conflict in 1989 that I never heard abt or was it training

    • @Spade_1917
      @Spade_1917 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      training​@@aminedioua748

    • @eddiepope7640
      @eddiepope7640 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

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  • @DatsWhatXiSaid
    @DatsWhatXiSaid 6 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    I feel safer from my mother-in-law after watching this.

    • @apoc3037
      @apoc3037 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What hahahaha

    • @butcherybutcher8868
      @butcherybutcher8868 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      About to dig out some emplacements for his 88mm AT guns when he hears yelling

    • @baldmanforehead7204
      @baldmanforehead7204 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am confused

    • @windward563
      @windward563 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@baldmanforehead7204 it's a joke how he can now protect himself from his evil mother in law

    • @baldmanforehead7204
      @baldmanforehead7204 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@windward563 oh

  • @michalszymanski791
    @michalszymanski791 6 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    Amazing video, Keep up the great work, your ability to make videos on all levels of warfare form the platoon to the grand strategic situation of nations is outstanding, love from Poland

    • @michalszymanski791
      @michalszymanski791 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@timetraveler2405 O co chodzi, on robi świetne filmy o historii wojskowej. Jego narodowość nie ma znaczenia. BTW jest Austriakiem nie Niemcem.

    • @timetraveler2405
      @timetraveler2405 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dla mnie ma znaczenie. Nikt nie lubi lizusów. Miej odrobinę honoru, chłopie.

    • @michalszymanski791
      @michalszymanski791 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@timetraveler2405 Człowieku to nie jest honor żeby nie nawidzić niemców. Jego filmy są dobre i to jest to co się liczy. Żaden honor tu nie jest urażony za to że chwalę jego filmy. Jeśli nie jesteś w stanie tego zobaczyć to nie mam zamiaru tracić czasu na kłótnie z tobą.

    • @timetraveler2405
      @timetraveler2405 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michal Szymański Nie lubić a nie nienawidzić to wielka różnica, jesteś dupliz i tyle! Hitler był austriakiem. Też go szanujesz?

    • @timetraveler2405
      @timetraveler2405 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michalszymanski791 Gosc promuje hitlerowskich niemcow w swoich filmach, a ten idiota go wychwala pod niebiosa, jakim trzeba byc pochrzanionym.

  • @chriscollins50
    @chriscollins50 6 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    It would be really cool if you would visualise after action reports in this style, showing where everything was set up and where the lines of attack were. Very cool video!

  • @CelerynLP
    @CelerynLP 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    This is one of your best videos to date (atleast by me). Keep up the good work!

  • @lllPlatinumlll
    @lllPlatinumlll 6 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Everything is placed close to shelter due to the extreme cold. The 88mm is setup forward to fire on the best line of advance for the enemy armour in order to achieve kills at maximum range and the 50mm is placed to the rear in order to hit in the side and rear of flanking armour as you suggest. If you did not have shelter you died. The map shows a fortified village defended by troops unused to surviving in extreme conditions. The soviets are much more adept giving them the option to roam and probe defenses. It is impossible to create the defense in depth with heavy guns to the rear as it would be impossible to keep personnel on hand to man them during an attack. I would not like to be forced to shelter from the cold in a village knowing that if I leave I die and if I stay I am the perfect target for artillery and rocket attack.

    • @EricToTheScionti
      @EricToTheScionti 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brainket bitch stop yelling or else

    • @blasterofmuppets4754
      @blasterofmuppets4754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Having lived near the polar circle and through -30° to -40°C winters I can asure you that even with the thickest and warmest of clothing you will start to get really cold after 30 mins. If i had to walk for more than half an hour I'd always made sure, to stop somewhere between and warm up.

    • @ДушманКакдела
      @ДушманКакдела 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@blasterofmuppets4754 you must not have been wearing the right clothing. With enough activity and quality cold weather equipment it is fully possible to stay warm in even sub -40c weather.

  • @vogonford
    @vogonford 6 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    My guess as to the forward positioning of the heavy MG34s would be that the commanders didn't expect to use them in an indirect fire role. With this thin of a line, harassing fire behind the lines was probably not on the short list of their concerns - defending the front would be more important. Thus, keep them more capable of engaging immediately.

    • @Infinite_Jester
      @Infinite_Jester 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Were heavy machine guns (as defined in the video) still used in an indirect fire role in WWII?
      Indirect fire is pretty complicated to get right (I was conscripted to a mortar company for a year) unless you're firing blind, which seems pretty ineffective (and to my understanding wasn't very effective in WWI). Although I guess they could use same spotter as the artillery in the textbook case?

    • @N_Wheeler
      @N_Wheeler 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Infinite_Jester .... In my view, when the HMG is in indirect fire mode, in most cases the crew will still be able to see the target. When it isn't indirect fire, it is grazing fire (less than 600 meters if memory serves).

    • @Infinite_Jester
      @Infinite_Jester 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +N Wheeler
      Huh, the way we were taught is that the definition of indirect fire is that you have no direct line of sight to the target. I assumed it would be the same in this case, but technical terminology appears to be tricky.

    • @N_Wheeler
      @N_Wheeler 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Infinite_Jester .... You are probably right about that. Perhaps HMG fire at long range (but in view of the crew) would be plunging fire. When our mortars fired at targets they could spot [their own rounds], the crew called it direct fire.

    • @frankmueller2781
      @frankmueller2781 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Another reason for the forward positioning of the HMGs may be the depleted state of the infantry itself. With units at 10% strength, there simply were not enough riflemen to support the HMGs in another position. With so few riflemen, the CO likely only had enough to support one line of MGs.

  • @mathewm7136
    @mathewm7136 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Another great video and thank you. 28 years as an Armor Officer in the US. It's standard combined arms tactics. What I would find interesting is how these tactics changed when in unique terrain. For example; the Russian Steppes or the Normandy Hedgerows.

  • @justinpyke1756
    @justinpyke1756 6 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Great visuals!

  • @neilwilson5785
    @neilwilson5785 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Love this detailed tactical stuff. More please!

  • @fredrikwinge7954
    @fredrikwinge7954 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really liked the "after action report" in the first part of the video where you on a map see the defensive postions, where the attacker moved and attacked and so on. I would love to see more of that.

  • @Marcus-rs6fr
    @Marcus-rs6fr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude i just love your videos! You use so much time and research to makr these high quality historical videos, there should be definietely more people like you! Keep up the good work kamerad!

  • @MrWoodii
    @MrWoodii 6 ปีที่แล้ว +243

    Because of this video, I have decided to become a Patreon supporter.

  • @alexandershorse9021
    @alexandershorse9021 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you for this interesting analysis. It really helps explain how the Germans were able to hold the line during the Soviet counterattack before Moscow. What I took away was although German infantry were very depleted, they still had a lot of heavy weapons to deploy if this battalion position is typical. That explains a lot and makes sense because when withdrawing highest priority will always be placed on keeping key weapon systems. For example infantry units will always strive to keep their machine guns and these require only small teams to operate.

  • @xelanoxin
    @xelanoxin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your channel is intriguing. Im a long time fan of warfare and you get to the points without a bunch of nonsense. Well done.

  • @MJKarkoska
    @MJKarkoska 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    200 men covering a front of approximately 400 yards is quite formidable, and you could stretch a platoon to that if you were so inclined, albeit without the depth. A modern company has less than 200 men in most armies, and can cover twice the frontage. Granted that the depth of the formation obviously will vary the frontage, but having good secondary, unmanned, prepared positions and retrograde routes, the frontage can be maintained in my opinion. I also wanted to say that I really enjoy your videos, mainly because with most videos of a similar nature I feel that I know more than the person narrating, yet it is obvious that you have put in countless hours understanding the minutiae of both military history and modern military studies. I actually learn things from your channel, without the oft-repeated cliches of military history.

  • @mcfontaine
    @mcfontaine 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Absolutely fantastic detail. Well done sir.

  • @somedudeinminnesota
    @somedudeinminnesota 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a excellent channel,please keep pushing content.

  • @neurofiedyamato8763
    @neurofiedyamato8763 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is the kind of content I subscribe for. Tactical deployments are always interesting for replicating it in various forms, be it models or in games.

  • @jonathanewer5910
    @jonathanewer5910 6 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    Have you considered the possibility that in the textbook example, the HMG's may have been intended as indirect fire weapons while in the depleted example their firepower was required up front?

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  6 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      good point about the indirect fire.

    • @paulbenedict1289
      @paulbenedict1289 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      There is one example of using MG with indirect fire in Rommel's Infantry Attacks. He did say however that the effect on enemy was purely psychological.

    • @terex8016
      @terex8016 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Also potentially they didnt have the ammunition to spare to use in indirect fire

    • @colinsanders9397
      @colinsanders9397 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The American Army still uses indirect fire from machineguns to provide suppressing fire across flat terrain. Mostly when attacking a canal across a poppy field in Afghanistan. That way you don't have to shift fire until the assault element is within grenade range. Frag the trench, shift suppressing fires, and assault the trenchline. Fun stuff.

    • @xxlegolas
      @xxlegolas 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Small arms are not extremely effective in an indirect fire role, as they suffer a greater loss of velocity traveling through the air than heavier ammunition such as mortars and cannon shells. I have heard of using them for suppression in this way, but to me that seems wasteful and also not extremely effective. It definitely makes poor use of the tripod, which is meant to improve long-range accuracy and stability.

  • @pepperfan111
    @pepperfan111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your vids bud , me and my squad mates legit use some of the info you give for games like HLL and war thunder , keep it up gent.

  • @edwardfrisby4868
    @edwardfrisby4868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    i really liked this video it would be cool to see a videos like this on all the major armies of ww2 and maybe compare this to defensive tactics of ww1

  • @damaskussteel
    @damaskussteel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this is one of your best videos

  • @timdiddy9914
    @timdiddy9914 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. The manual gives an commander the best theoretical approach to solve a battle situation. In reality there are always different conditions (weather, time, not enough ammo, wounds...) and you have to adjust the approach. Often you do not need a perfect 100% solution, you need a quick and courageous solution, otherwise your enemy overrun you. In this case everthing depended on the weather that was extremly cold and the Germans were not prepared with winter equipment. Therefore they needed the shelter of the village to survive the cold winter weather...It is no secret that the early winter was the reason, why Moscow was not conquered by the German Wehrmacht.

  • @BIAWorldofWarships
    @BIAWorldofWarships 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Yay, I turned on notifications last week :) Great as always!

  • @Konrad_Festung
    @Konrad_Festung 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    High quality video right here! I love the detailed tactical examples. please do more of those!

  • @Rainwarlord
    @Rainwarlord 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    really enjoyed this type of video, please keep it up

  • @appledravia
    @appledravia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That AT gun back in the treeline looks like it provides a rear security or defense in depth feature as well. In the event of envelopment of the village, it's in a position to hit tanks from the rear or flanks where the 50mm is more effective and could theoretically be used for suppressive fire if troops were displacing and falling back from the village.

  • @julianfitz806
    @julianfitz806 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    After you showed me Steel Devition and I got edicted, I need to rewatch your tactics videos. 😁
    Vielen Dank!

  • @crucibleofworlds1882
    @crucibleofworlds1882 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The placement on the village of the flack and the antitank cannon was clearly made to prevent to be outflanked by tanks . Beacause that move was able to obliterate the anti infantry defenses , if tanks get toward the village directly they would not suffer much cause the line of fire is blocked and you are hidden by buildings so you can let the infantry take care of tanks alone efficently . So it seems to me a very well thought defense .

  • @yixoraptor6775
    @yixoraptor6775 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    10:54 2 panzer 3s gets interpreted by the subtitles as 2 pounds of fries lol

  • @warci
    @warci 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    fantastic video, I feel more confident to start a game of graviteam tactics already. More of these please!

  • @BRYDN_NATHAN
    @BRYDN_NATHAN 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you. . . .

  • @alvarezhulio
    @alvarezhulio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great material btw and thankyou. If I could have had you as my history teacher in school I would have paid more attention.

  • @trdraider1196
    @trdraider1196 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your accent is just so so good. It flows so smoothly between the words and languages.

  • @blunznsepp
    @blunznsepp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of your best videos! I love it

  • @owenjohnson808
    @owenjohnson808 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I came from bo times channel list, after 5 minutes of this video the notifications have been turned on :)

  • @arsenal-slr9552
    @arsenal-slr9552 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Another masterpiece!!

  • @Cherb123456
    @Cherb123456 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!

  • @paladin0654
    @paladin0654 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice rundown, thanks.

  • @Manuel-yp3rv
    @Manuel-yp3rv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gerade den Kanal entdeckt. Sehr interessant mach weiter so!

  • @mrgreggles998
    @mrgreggles998 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been a casual observer of your vids for quite a while. This one got me subscribed. :-) Next step Patroen? Very possible. This tactical analysis is REALLY interesting.

  • @calebshonk5838
    @calebshonk5838 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm not an infantryman but I have trained as one and I am an artillery assistant section chief. It makes sense to have the AT gun where it is. Not only does that give it a better field of fire, but it covers the most likely avenue of approach which is the main road going into town. Additionally, having the 88s placed forward in the town gives them some concealment from observation and allows them to support the infantry with direct fire.
    The more I look at these defensive plans, the more I like them. I'm seeing plenty of overlapping fields of fire, fields of crossfires, and heavy weapons ideally placed to support the infantry. Attacking the town from the tree line gives the shortest route into the town and the most concealment from enemy fire. Whoever the German commander was, he obviously knew this which is why he placed so many LMGs to protect that flank.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you!

    • @calebshonk5838
      @calebshonk5838 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Kein problem. :)

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 ปีที่แล้ว

      A Battalion Commander/CO had probably at least 7 to 10 years of experience and gained knowledge from past winter fighting in similar conditions.
      Even as this seems well defended for the ammount of resources, it is hard to tell how long this position could have been maintained.

  • @Gronicle1
    @Gronicle1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Recent subscriber here. Good content and well put together videos. Thanks.

  • @cannonfodder4376
    @cannonfodder4376 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another fantastic and informative video as always.

  • @Dusty7460
    @Dusty7460 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it the best channel. As a suggestion maybe someday you will add more visual images (perhaps some gamesRTS or grand strategy ) most of them respect the army doctrines , strategy tactics and employment of weapons. I would love too see such videos made by you and showing the employment of different tactics.I know a couple of games worth mention in order to achieve a more detailed historical accuracy and also enjoyable experience. Thank you soo much for all your effort and for your patreons.

  • @chaoctic7278
    @chaoctic7278 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these types of vids man keep em up

  • @k.i.a7240
    @k.i.a7240 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing video

  • @finlaymckay6633
    @finlaymckay6633 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic and informative video.

  • @from_space
    @from_space 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really nice video! If possible, please make more of these, but showing the whole fight. For someone like me, who doesn't know much about real life military tactics, its pretty interesting.

  • @Kalosius
    @Kalosius 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I feel like these are the types of tactics missing in current RTS and turn based games. Great stuff.

  • @ps4trophyguide56
    @ps4trophyguide56 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video thanks

  • @lukycharms9970
    @lukycharms9970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    More tactics videos like thissssss pleaseeee

  • @ioannispavlidis1146
    @ioannispavlidis1146 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good work.

  • @FroggyFrog9000
    @FroggyFrog9000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome research and presentation thanks :)

  • @yalelingoz6346
    @yalelingoz6346 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video. This is what I'm here for. :D

  • @JonasUllenius
    @JonasUllenius 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thax great video.

  • @edged1001
    @edged1001 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    How did the Germans modify their defensive tactics when facing Americans and British armies on the western front?

    • @ligmaboo
      @ligmaboo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      More AA while dealing with Arty

    • @Invicta556
      @Invicta556 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Well to help u with this question these tactics used on the Eastern Front matched what the Russians did and how they attacked e.g. Russian tanks when broke throught german lines just drove on even without infantry support.
      Now one example from Normandy i can give is Hill 112. There were many egagements for these vital hill (Operation Epsom, Operation Jupiter) in Operation Jupiter units of the 10th "Frudsberg" SS Panzer Division and 102nd SS S.Panzer Abteilung defend this hill all they could. PanzerGrenadier's typically had to pull there forward outposts back due to the concentrated british artillery. They as like everywhere in 1944 had to repelish rations and ammo and manuevre at night. Tigers couldnt stay in the area and had to continue change postion, now i know this happened on the eastern front but in Normandy many units found theselves under consitent bombardment. I cannot explain how exhuasting this fighting was for both german/british soldiers in the area.
      Other than that i cannot think of much more the Germans changed in Abwehr tactics in Normandy compared to the Eastern Front. Of course ive read more on the Eastern Front and Normandy than something like North Africa.

    • @newfletcherlibrarypartners4888
      @newfletcherlibrarypartners4888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      A huge difference on the Western Front in 1944 was the air and artillery superiority of the US/British forces. The Germans defended forward with small elements. This made them less vulnerable to air/artillery. They countered US/British attacks by counterattacking with larger units held to the rear.

    • @Wolf-hh4rv
      @Wolf-hh4rv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Invicta556 Abwehr was German intelligence

  • @dimasdellatorre
    @dimasdellatorre 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    just amazing , i am out of words

  • @Mechaninjalo
    @Mechaninjalo 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love watching your vids and learning from them. Thank U for your hard work . :)

  • @nexusvirus514
    @nexusvirus514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow wirklich gut gemacht... endlich mal gut erklärt wie das vorgehen des Militärs war. Man sieht sonst nur bilder von stürmenden Massen aber tatsächlich gab es eine Menge taktische Komponenten vor allem von unserer Seite...
    Sag mal kannst du ein Buch empfehlen wo viele Taktiken erläutert werden ? (am besten auf deutsch ?)

  • @miagy420
    @miagy420 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good tactical analysis

  • @Kyoptic
    @Kyoptic 6 ปีที่แล้ว +406

    I'm here so early this time we might take Moscow before the russian winter hits!

    • @ArcticTemper
      @ArcticTemper 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Then what?

    • @hihi-fi8by
      @hihi-fi8by 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      44 minutes later

    • @xenussisporno
      @xenussisporno 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Oh yeah General Frost is the only reason that stopped the German offensive. I can not imagine how do soviets survive during summer. Is there General Sun fucking shine?

    • @rodi8266
      @rodi8266 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Goddamnit Kyo!

    • @Kyoptic
      @Kyoptic 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Holy fucknuts it's Rodi!
      Glad to see you have good taste in youtube content XD

  • @brianwyters2150
    @brianwyters2150 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6:27 When I saw AP, I thought armor-piercing but then I realized anti-personnel.

  • @demosthenessirony4774
    @demosthenessirony4774 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The placement of the 88mm seems a little strange to me. Being in the middle of the village seems like it would limit the ability to utilize the long effective range of the weapon as well as it's field of fire, and leave it vulnerable to close infantry assaults if the enemy did break through the main defense. At the same time maybe the sector it was covering was considered to be the main focus of the enemy advance or armor. I am sure the ground force commander had his reason for deploying in that manner. Additionally, was there a Light machine gun with the pak 38? I know that it was normal doctrine in the Wehrmacht to have 1 x MG34 per PAK for local defense, but according to the diagram there was not one, maybe they were short on guns and had to use it in a different location of the defense. I also assume that the "heavy mortars" are actually medium 8.0cm organic to the battalion?

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's possible that if they're doctrinally paired together the 50mm position marker may be assumed to include an MG even if it's not mentioned.

    • @lucidnonsense942
      @lucidnonsense942 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The 50mm is a lot harder to spot when firing and has a larger effective traverse, so it can fire from the woods without being spotted. The 88mm is really hard to hide, especially once firing, so it's in a more defensible position, which is going to come under attack anyway.
      A lone 88mm would be quickly knocked out, the 50mm will need to fire a lot more rounds to be effective so it has to do it from a "stealth" position.

    • @CDMJDMHHC
      @CDMJDMHHC 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Avenue of approach

    • @faeembrugh
      @faeembrugh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You have to consider the large size and weight of an 88mm when placing it, so possibly that was the best site.

    • @FactoryofRedstone
      @FactoryofRedstone 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the MG was not mentioned, if it was doctrine that there is one, or they did abandon the doctrine to use it some where else. After all that was a depleted unit.

  • @a-fletcher
    @a-fletcher 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video, Cant afford to donate atm, but love your videos and watch adds to help out what I can.

  • @TheLoyalOfficer
    @TheLoyalOfficer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah good - no ending music. Great job on a vid with outstanding detail. I wonder how long that German position held out? 90% understrength German company! Wow.

  • @leoobuche4620
    @leoobuche4620 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video👍

  • @sahhaf1234
    @sahhaf1234 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was excellent...

  • @Hiltschi
    @Hiltschi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "because i kann" herrlich... super gemachtes Video

  • @Jinseual
    @Jinseual 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, this is amazing, I hope there would be a video on an actual medieval defensive fortification.

  • @bansheerie4537
    @bansheerie4537 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my opinion, in the first example the heavy machine guns are there on the hill to deal with any potential breakthroughs. With the density of the defensive positions up front, it seems kinda unreasonable to lay any indirect, pin-down fire on the enemy attacking them for fear of friendly fire. But imagine a group of the enemy somehow making its way through the rifle pits and machinegun nests in the main line of defense - only to walk straight into the killing zone of the machineguns on the top of the hill.

  • @grahamsupple6382
    @grahamsupple6382 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video drove home the importance of experienced and competent commanding officers to me. having your heavier weapons in the right place would be the difference between winning and losing, and that's what a commander is there to do. decided where resources should be placed.

  • @clashof3669
    @clashof3669 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Gutes Video

  • @ferdrewflores3612
    @ferdrewflores3612 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Prima !! ✊💪💥🔥

  • @chrism2027
    @chrism2027 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow Verry Nice Video.

  • @parrot849
    @parrot849 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding description of the German Defensive setup. So..., what happened??! Did it work? I was waiting to see your description of the Soviet assault, but your video just ended! I’m just kidding, it was a great video.

  • @moemonte88
    @moemonte88 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow what a amazing video

  • @paulredinger420
    @paulredinger420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 88 was a duel ammo weapon. It could fire AT and HE. It could kill Soviet tanks at distance and kill infantry very effectively. It's fire coverage was the most likely Russian way of assault. Most of the Russian troops were pheasants. Orders had to be simple, and easy to follow. So attack along the road is easy then advance to a point on the hill and attack down the hill towards the back side of the village. I think the 50mm AT could only fire anti-tank rounds. With APCR rounds it could kill T-34's at those ranges with a flank hit. So it was only good to kill soviet armor from the flank. It's in the best place for that.

  • @Syndie702
    @Syndie702 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    DiplexHeated should make a Men of War Robz Realism scenario based on these maps.

  • @henrybailey6111
    @henrybailey6111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The AT gun at the back is perfectly positioned to attack the underbelly of tanks mounting the snow berm or breaking through around the south of the village to attempt an encirclement. I think this fits in perfectly with it being a position in depth countering the Soviet doctrine to by-pass positions they couldn’t take, as you mentioned at the beginning of the video. It seems like it might be able to fire down the Main Street of the village too if tanks had got in there and been cut off from infantry support similar to the first day.
    Equally on the berm you don’t mention the machine guns. It all seems to be set up to isolate infantry from tanks - allow the soviet tanks to bypass or go through and be removed by the AT gun once over extended. German tanks placed close to enable a counter attack on infantry if the infantry do break in to the village.

  • @karlp8484
    @karlp8484 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    General Heinrici was regarded as an expert on defensive combat on the Eastern front especially in Eastern Germany near the end of the war. One of his tactics was to position his troops on the lee side of hills or just sloping terrain away from artillery preparation and then rush his troops forward as soon as the assault started. The Russians thought the Germans would have been thoroughly suppressed but in reality, they weren't under the bombardment at all.

  • @octotitan4574
    @octotitan4574 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everything you said I'll forgot them tomorrow but I will remember the look of the machine gun and anti-tanks guns

  • @bhangrafan4480
    @bhangrafan4480 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Surely the positioning of the AT gun on the left was to deny use of the road to vehicles and at the same time provide flank protection to the position against tanks skirting around the position? The positioning of the 88mm is clearly similarly to deny use of the road to tanks/vehicles (in deep snow the road might be the only way tanks could approach), and protect the other flank from vehicles skirting around the position. In what I have studied of German defensive positions they tended to place MG along the front and AT on the flanks.

  • @2serveand2protect
    @2serveand2protect 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's VERY WELL DONE! EXTREMELY INTERESTING! Thank You for uploading!
    PS.
    Regards from Poland.

  • @closecombatthebloodyfirst8222
    @closecombatthebloodyfirst8222 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos...

  • @halhibben
    @halhibben 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos.

  • @randall172
    @randall172 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Against Russian armor the German infantry formations also had a hard time of it. In exceptional cases they could prepare gun lines with enough heavy ATGs well enough protected and sited to give an armor attack a bloody nose, but normally they were not rich or prepared enough for that. Keep in mind that the Russians were quite good at tank infantry cooperation in their mech arm - by midwar that is, early they hadn't been - but lagged in the development of tank artillery cooperation. Which is what tanks need to deal with gun based defenses efficiently. The German infantry formations themselves tried to just strip tanks of their infantry escorts and let the tanks continue. The Russians would sometimes make that mistake, and send the tanks deeper on their own. That put them in the middle of a deep German defense that would know more about where they were and what they were doing than vice versa. But that is really an "own goal" thing - if the Russian tanks just stayed with their riders and shot the crap out of the German infantry defenses, the Russian doctrine worked fine.
    The leading infantry companies are presenting the enemy a fire discipline dilemma - how close to let the advancing Russian infantry get before revealing their own positions by cutting loose. The longer they take to do so, the close the Russian infantry gets before being driven to the ground. Enemy fire is fully expected to drive the leading infantry waves to the ground, or even to break them or destroy them outright - at first. But every revealed firing point in that cutting loose is then subjected to another round of prep fire by all of the organic and added fire support elements supporting the attack. The battalion 82mm mortars, any attached tanks, and the muckety-mucks special falling skies firepower, smashes up whatever showed itself crucifying the leading wave.
    Then the next wave goes in, just like the first, on the same frontage. No great finesse about it, but some of the defenders already dead in the meantime. Same dilemma for his survivors. When they decide to hold their fire to avoid giving the mortars and Russian artillery and such, juicy new things to shoot at, the advancing infantry wave gets in among them instead. And goes to work with grenade and tommy gun, flushing out every hole. The grenadier is the beater and the tommy gun is the shotgun, and Germans are the quail. Notice, the firepower of the infantry that matters in this is the short range stuff, because at longer range the killing is done by supporting artillery arms. The rifles of the most of the infantry supplement of course, but really the LMGs and rifles are primarily there as the defensive firepower of the rifle formation, at range.
    It is slow and it is bloody and it is inefficient - but it is relentless. The thing being maximized is fight and predictability - that the higher muckety mucks can count on an outcome on this part of the frontage proportional to what they put into it. Where they need to win, they put in enough and they do win - hang the cost. It isn't pure suicide up front - the infantry go to ground when fired at and they fire back,and their supporting fires try to save them, and the next wave storms forward to help and pick up the survivors and carry them forward (and carry the wounded back). In the meantime the men that went to ground are defending themselves as best they can and sniping what they can see; they are not expected to stand up again and go get killed. That is the next wave's job. The first did its part when it presented its breast to the enemy's bullets for that first advance. The whole rolls forward like a ratchet, the waves driven to ground holding tenaciously whatever they reached.
    That is the rifle, combined arms army, way of fighting.

    • @BeingFireRetardant
      @BeingFireRetardant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, just wow. Good breakdown. Find no fault save sacrificial infantry, but that was definitely the Soviet way, hammer and anvil. Why flank when you can frontal? Suppose it depends on leadership to make that call.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank You .

  • @dudewithout_a_face5573
    @dudewithout_a_face5573 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos make me want to lead a company❤

  • @azdinh6626
    @azdinh6626 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The forces are close to facilitate transition ,and the at50 mm is there to cover retreating forces
    This plan for height maneuverability and endurance

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It reminds me of _sudden strike._
    In that game it was super stressful to relocate artillery to defend yourself, when you had not enough tanks to quickly fill the gap. Also counter artillery fire and bombers could bring you close to a heart attack if you had to rely on truck drawn arty...

    • @adrianjezierski8093
      @adrianjezierski8093 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I usually completed most of the missions with 1 sniper exploiting the AI

    • @Burner.Account..
      @Burner.Account.. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adrianjezierski8093 Basically every other Player vs AI strategy game right?

  • @paavobergmann4920
    @paavobergmann4920 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The difference i see, in addition to what others claimed, between the manual and the actual village is, that in the manual, the companies sector included several elevated points, and thus a sightline on advancing enemies reaching out far beyond the HKL, whereas in the actual village defense, the village was (I guess from the map) on fairly flat ground, surrounded by elevated ground on three sides, and supposedly, available manpower did not allow stretching out the defense line to include the hills. Less than optimal for a defensive position. Therefore, the sightline on advancing attacks from any point of the defensive position was very limited, so a HMG in a rear position would have been of limited used, and concentrating firepower close to the HKL was paramount, to be able to break up any enemy attack in the short time and space between visual contact and breakthrough. A rear-placed HMG could in theory also have done that, but only from an elevated position, which was lacking here. So, placing them forward reduced danger to friendlies, and gave them a wider open field of fire in exchange for the greater risk to them.

  • @logoseven3365
    @logoseven3365 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your work is very professional. The pop ups were a distracting. I will keep watching Thank you

  • @Wolf-hh4rv
    @Wolf-hh4rv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great if you could discuss Wehrmacht philosophy about machine guns firing at fixed (pre-planned) interlocking arcs

  • @bobfall
    @bobfall 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was still early in the war. Later on German defenses would likely change. Likely to include a local reserve. Depleted units where very likely to get into trouble. His local reserve could help when he got hard pressed. Even helping if withdraw was the smart action.