How to solve problems like a designer

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  • @fealubryne
    @fealubryne 7 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    Design is such a fascinating thing, something that most people aren't concerned about until it's brought to their attention. Once it is, however, it almost opens a door to a different perspective. Things we use every day, mice, doors, grocery stores, suddenly seem more brilliant, or even less brilliant and poorly designed at times.

  • @davidonfim2381
    @davidonfim2381 7 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    The "design loop" is really just the scientific method as applied to consumer goods and consumer happiness.
    People really need to understand that whether you're trying to figure out how to cure malaria or whether you're trying to make a better phone, the best approach is always to observe, formulate hypotheses/ideas, test them, and iterate.

    • @O1OO1O1
      @O1OO1O1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      "the best approach is always to..."
      Not very scientific. :)

    • @rolandomade
      @rolandomade 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought the same.

    • @DuBstepAnDa98
      @DuBstepAnDa98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I said the same thing while watching the video lol

    • @karlacastillo6838
      @karlacastillo6838 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Graphic designer here! Yeah that's what we do, we always investigate first what are the needs, what can we improve, etc, after that we start designing until we find a solution. My college also put a lot of effort in teaching us investigation method's and using different techniques and resources to different problems (before I could even use a computer I had to learn art history, drawing and engraving techniques,etc)

  • @aseth9541
    @aseth9541 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1089

    I absolutely love TED. I am so glad they are doing a collab with vox.

    • @sorryforbatenglish
      @sorryforbatenglish 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      TED is garbage

    • @aseth9541
      @aseth9541 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      sorry for bat english | your opinion. I love their talks and ED videos.

    • @TheGetout04
      @TheGetout04 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Yes I love Vox and Ted, helped me a lot in making interesting conversations lol

    • @karlkastor
      @karlkastor 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Most TED talks and many TEDx talks are very interesting. Some TEDx talks are.. not good.

    • @IkeOkerekeNews
      @IkeOkerekeNews 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      sorry for bat english
      Ahh...sorry. Did your head hurt after listening to one of them?

  • @jillhbaudhaan
    @jillhbaudhaan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +489

    Why did this video stop? I need more information. For example, did the Peruvian school work, and what about the voting process?

    • @iTracti0n
      @iTracti0n 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      jillhbaudhaan why don't you just Google it

    • @corey6572
      @corey6572 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I'm not sure why they mentioned those two things and never brought them back up. Makes the video feel incomplete.

    • @davidb5205
      @davidb5205 7 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Looked it up. For the lazy: They succeeded in building 41 schools, over the course of 6 years, which serve 33,000 students. Their students perform 1.5x better in reading and 3x better in math than those who attend Peruvian private schools. The cost of attending is $100 per month.
      As for the voting process, as far as I could tell, they just made simple changes like using touchscreen devices to vote, which made it easier for disabled/cerebral palsy voters as well as multilingual voters in LA. This also allowed people to vote over the course of several days in several locations, as opposed to voting on a Tuesday in a single crowded location for the whole district.
      I'd TL;DR this, but if you're **that lazy** then you don't deserve to know.

    • @eusebioguzman1108
      @eusebioguzman1108 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      jillhbaudhaan x

    • @invalidavatar
      @invalidavatar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      thank you for your contribution in resolving this query

  • @avemariaforreal
    @avemariaforreal 7 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Ted +Vox= heaven 👌

    • @sanchirkh6019
      @sanchirkh6019 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i like em both

    • @ericnesbitt1462
      @ericnesbitt1462 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ted + Vox = stating the obvious and stating the obvious again

  • @jimslim2831
    @jimslim2831 7 ปีที่แล้ว +429

    I always watch Vox videos, but I've never watched one about my job. That was a weird feeling haha

    • @paraneue3002
      @paraneue3002 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Jim Slim haha interaction or product design?

    • @msabolijoshi
      @msabolijoshi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly the feeling I got hahaha

    • @moXon460
      @moXon460 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      What about the Norman Door one? That one has been out for a while

    • @qstunrr
      @qstunrr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      product design, over here!

    • @alfie424
      @alfie424 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Trying to become an UX designer so this is definitely relevant to me also haha

  • @judebruwuh7030
    @judebruwuh7030 7 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I love this channel because this way you learn the news but also I know new artists and explications for art
    Thank you Vox.

    • @ted4212
      @ted4212 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Adrien Vervoort thank you Vox for the white painting

  • @PauloNideck
    @PauloNideck 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Design thinking is awesome

  • @irving.torres
    @irving.torres 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I love the process that the folks over at IDEO take to develop a new product. Truly amazing. We take so many things for granted.

  • @boopadoop148
    @boopadoop148 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Video starts off with apple creating the first mouse, they had complex questions to solve such as how to lower the price and to be widely available. But Fast forward, They shifted from creating products, to systems able to solve the complex and difficult problems of the world. A book "Design for the real worlds" explains on how company's should shift from product's to the real problem's. A way is to observe human lives, asking questions on their shortcomings, and problems, asking why of those as well. The whole point is to come up with good questions. Taking your insight and coming up with ideas. Also good to mention that this system works best when compared with other people, especially who would have different outlooks and experiences to life. Then taking these ideas and coming up with ideas. (almost like the scientific prosses) Finally your able to test your ideas. Coming up with prototypes and deciding whether they solve the problem, solving the problems that come with the design till the idea behaves more like a system.

  • @Wonginism
    @Wonginism 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Engineering, Design and Science share many similarities in method it really is one of the most important things to learn.

  • @Situayo
    @Situayo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In science, this is known as 'design science' and in offices as 'scrum'. Back in the 80s this was common practice, but at some point we got lost in the risk-aversing idea of having to research everything before doing anything. I just love how this pragmatic paradigm is returning more and more back out there again.

  • @armandodiaz170
    @armandodiaz170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my favorite episode. I still come back to this video whenever I'm in a design funk!

  • @saiskanda
    @saiskanda 7 ปีที่แล้ว +536

    Dear Vox, who designed your logo?

    • @PACKERMAN2077
      @PACKERMAN2077 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      the New Yorker...

    • @prasadesignn
      @prasadesignn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      you don't like their logo?

    • @saiskanda
      @saiskanda 7 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Prasad Ramachandran I love it!

    • @j35o
      @j35o 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Microsoft word

    • @andrejoseph3630
      @andrejoseph3630 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Microsoft Paint

  • @feartactics
    @feartactics 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    the process described is the standard process at even boring corporations when something new needs to be created: assess/observe, design/develop, test, iterate.

  • @EsIsJaNichtsMehrFrei
    @EsIsJaNichtsMehrFrei 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    My brother did his masters thesis about this topic exactly. Like literally a few weeks ago. Its really a great way for product development

  • @brendanforde2631
    @brendanforde2631 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how I paid 14000 dollars for my engineering tuition to take a course cause engineering design where we learn exactly this: problem statement, problem definition, concept generation, concept selection and prototype, and testing
    Good I'm glad

  • @dianaalejandrareynagarcia7100
    @dianaalejandrareynagarcia7100 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lo que me enseño la carrera de diseño desde el primer momento fue enseñarnos a observar nuestro alredor, cuestionar lo establecido y ser siempre curioso por cómo funciona el mundo y cómo podría ser. Gracias por tan buen vídeo

  • @Jvksiew
    @Jvksiew 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Quality content as always. The idea creation is not just applied to Designers, but to almost all creative professions as well. Engineers

  • @randyh647
    @randyh647 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I naturally do this, but I love to help people, thanks for making it so I can this with others.

  • @sonianicolae7
    @sonianicolae7 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    TED + Vox is the best idea ever

  • @ChekuL8er
    @ChekuL8er 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really appreciate the art in this video like shown from 2:44 - 2:58
    Great job

  • @chair_in_pool
    @chair_in_pool 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vox AND TED? Yes please! I absolutely love both of them, and it’s a real interesting topic. Very smooth transitions, wonderful graphics.

  • @LiekeElina
    @LiekeElina 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learn about Design Thinking every day on my university so it is fun to see it here on Vox now.

  • @TrainerAQ
    @TrainerAQ 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was just thinking about this yesterday and here you go an release a video on it.

  • @jaytb5815
    @jaytb5815 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Since I want to be a car designer when I grow up, this video has been *very* helpful.

  • @joaomt3123
    @joaomt3123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    just yell "panda" and "BRRRRAAA" at your problems

    • @foiledits
      @foiledits 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      the ting go skraa

  • @ssoomee
    @ssoomee 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    this video was exactly what I was trying to explain to someone, and they didn't get it no matter how long I explained it, but this video is really useful and I'll share it with that person!

  • @toniok.4726
    @toniok.4726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Observe>Ideamaking>Prototype>Test

  • @dunkmetal3264
    @dunkmetal3264 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel is so underrated.

  • @micromir4
    @micromir4 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    design series are the best

  • @TheGodlike300
    @TheGodlike300 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You missed the most important thing about this process, and still managed to put it in the thumbnail:
    Feedbackloops.
    It's the basic principle of Design thinking, finding out why your prototype isn't working and allways considering to going to the first step if the flaw is fundamental enough.
    What you describe is just a process companys have used for years, just switch "Problem" with "potential marketshare".
    The most important thing is, that the multiple brains communicate and rework until they've reached the endgoal they have defined together. If companies just work for a deadline and the designdepartment starts when the prototyping department finishes, then things like exploding Samsung phones happen.

  • @DMulabiTalejan
    @DMulabiTalejan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice insights from Tim Brown. We should here more from such unsung heroes who are changing the world... some of us are just enjoying the products. He has just won himself an 'inspiree' (or have i just got myself an inspirer?) 🤗

  • @jackdumanat49
    @jackdumanat49 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is pretty much what Systems Thinking and Design Thinking is about. Most commonly known as iterative design, I think quite a lot of people already have accepted this design process. considering systems and design thinking are pretty much the same with just different semantics.

  • @ブィブィでーす
    @ブィブィでーす 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    who is the editor in charge of this channel damn, u need a raise

  • @enzmondo
    @enzmondo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vox absolutely didn't need to make a collaboration with TED for this, more so a video about this. They covered this and more in their "It's not you. Bad doors are everywhere" video. In that video, they had Don Norman talk about his book and how design is important to user experience. You want to be able to let the user learn what to do just by simply showing the options on what to do with a certain object. A good design doesn't mean having the user perfectly use it in the first try. Good design is having the user learn from experience through continuous usage and discovering all of the object's capabilities. A good design thinks ahead of the user. A user shouldn't be able to find a solution, or a possible alteration or addition to a product to fix a common problem. The designer should be able to think about that problem and make a solution before letting the user use it.

  • @MsXtremeCamper
    @MsXtremeCamper 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a great video! That's the kind of vox' content i really love, it helped me get a broader view of what design actually is, and how it works. But i had some problems following along the video, it was a bit fast paced. There are so many animations and information in this video, it gets hard to follow along. Making the video a bit longer in general, having some small breaks and slower animations could help. Also i thought that the music was a bit too loud when Tim was speaking.

  • @himadribhakta7948
    @himadribhakta7948 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How cool it would be if schools sacked the current marking scheme in favor of a scoring system that is highly flexible with no upper limits for maximum score

    • @PACKERMAN2077
      @PACKERMAN2077 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eltener123 but only the brightest and the best matter, their intellect for the good of the State. Waste no resources on the weak... cultivate only the brightest Minds most Worthy of the glory of the State!
      *_Through service comes happiness... through sacrifice comes freedom!_*

  • @peachlover48
    @peachlover48 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a book from one of Ideo’s co-founder - bought a year ago. I guess I should start reading it now.

  • @abhiadsul6538
    @abhiadsul6538 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vox your videos are awesome....I am glad I found you on TH-cam.

  • @nardo218
    @nardo218 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congrats on going to Ted!

  • @MegaAlcoholics
    @MegaAlcoholics 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So... many hands make light work.
    Cooooool.

  • @joowonimm
    @joowonimm 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    nice job vox

  • @jak8131
    @jak8131 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am working as a designer, I have a equal workflow in creating things, but in my point of view this isn't a outstanding skill only designers know to use, is simply good project management, a lot of successful people think outside the box and ask questions and observe probably, like technicians, engineers, authors or teachers so we should simply value good problem solving and don't divide in important and unimportant jobs

  • @zacharylamb3219
    @zacharylamb3219 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yayy a video on design! :) and I’m happy you guys are with TED

  • @syahirrashid34
    @syahirrashid34 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I literally was forced to attend a 2-full-days training course by my company last month on ideation which is now simplified into a 4.5 minutes infographic video by Vox.

  • @TusharDhawan
    @TusharDhawan 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, one of the best from Vox IMO.

  • @thomasdantas
    @thomasdantas 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. This is essentially the scientific method except without a formal hypothesis.

  • @25gurleen
    @25gurleen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    love showing my students these videos! They are obsessed and you're welcome Vox ;)

  • @coreycox2345
    @coreycox2345 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is similar to the classic planning process. The sequencing is different because we present a variety of alternatives at once.

  • @dorupero
    @dorupero 7 ปีที่แล้ว +577

    Do I care? No.
    Do I not care? No.

    • @Rain-zh6du
      @Rain-zh6du 7 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Vox videos in a nutshell

    • @Pelthail
      @Pelthail 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why not? Your life is filled with wonderful things because of this very process.

    • @kloakheesten
      @kloakheesten 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brian Hill
      It's like things we learn in school,
      Most of us are most likely never going to use this knowledge in real life.

    • @jonahpililaau8548
      @jonahpililaau8548 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mind blown

    • @snilrach
      @snilrach 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's not for you then.

  • @louisduong2090
    @louisduong2090 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So, that's how Apple came up with the charging port on the bottom of the mouse?

  • @JerehmiaBoaz
    @JerehmiaBoaz 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Designers don't solve problems, they design products. They encounter problems during the design process, but they solve those problems to reach their end goal: a product that reaches the specifications they were given.

  • @barret50ca1
    @barret50ca1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    what a fantastic little video

  • @emalinel
    @emalinel 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love these videos with TED. You guys should do more of them! :)

  • @HalfBlindProductions
    @HalfBlindProductions 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah blender represent! Glad to see that's being used for design

  • @AhmedRadwan89
    @AhmedRadwan89 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved every bit of this video. Thank you for the inspiration.

  • @hellokitty4me
    @hellokitty4me 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love ur motion graphics, hire me

  • @NickGhale
    @NickGhale 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    isn't this the scientific method while doing an experiment

    • @seabb
      @seabb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup. There's a reason it's taught in schools. It's not just used for science though, it's a valuable system that can be applied whenever you're trying to discover something or improve something.

  • @statechannelslurker
    @statechannelslurker 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    how to solve problem like a desiigner:
    skrra! gah!

  • @patters.
    @patters. 7 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Back when Apple innovated 😞

    • @calebmatthews2026
      @calebmatthews2026 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      patricklfdv that Google emoji says it all haha. #droid

    • @iammustafa
      @iammustafa 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah bc unlocking ur phone with face ID isn't innovative yeah?

    • @iTracti0n
      @iTracti0n 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Mustafa Al Saadi That's not how cool as you make it seem, it's just a new way to unlock your phone. Nothing revolutionary

    • @erikescobar6302
      @erikescobar6302 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Mustafa Al Saadi Yep. It really isnt.

    • @TheArfdog
      @TheArfdog 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jealous that Apple is the most valuable stock and revenue generator in the world?

  • @GFmanaic
    @GFmanaic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I mean yes these are the steps to tackle a problem, but it's not specific to designers...

  • @truogg36
    @truogg36 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this video. Thanks a lot!

  • @afzalmiah07
    @afzalmiah07 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating

  • @paulgochoa
    @paulgochoa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    THIS IS AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH!

  • @krishanaseetpatel
    @krishanaseetpatel 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You posted this so early for the West coast.

  • @saurabhjadhav2270
    @saurabhjadhav2270 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing work guys

  • @DCMarvelMultiverse
    @DCMarvelMultiverse 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am an INTJ and almost naturally think this way.

  • @radhikapatil1986
    @radhikapatil1986 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very useful!

  • @chj7250
    @chj7250 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Technically, all these steps can be used to make an invention.

  • @gurpreetplaha103
    @gurpreetplaha103 7 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Voxy squad=...
    Nerdy squad.

  • @petesandov3722
    @petesandov3722 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As an Industrial designer, ideation is the funnest part (and mos of my mates think the same) hahaha

  • @SophiaLenore
    @SophiaLenore 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video - thank you for sharing!

  • @PoomMondo
    @PoomMondo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:43 That transition in 1970s... Wow.

  • @FyrePixel
    @FyrePixel 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. This is an awesome video

  •  7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The true Designer is a problem solver.

  • @Cellinator
    @Cellinator 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @saiskanda
    @saiskanda 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    And who makes those really cool animations and how?

  • @FikiFirmansyah
    @FikiFirmansyah 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quality content as always.

  • @marksmod
    @marksmod 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    can be applied to most anything. How to solve problems like a creator (Math, Physics, video games, music ...) Who doesn't know this?

  • @enzmondo
    @enzmondo 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love human factors

  • @atharvaiyer3010
    @atharvaiyer3010 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been doing this since forever

  • @emmanguyen9121
    @emmanguyen9121 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Ted ed

  • @Corvaire
    @Corvaire 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Left & Right hemispheres are truly our future for innovation-evolution. ;O)-

  • @meduaiwel
    @meduaiwel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Man Vox’s videos are really good excluding the political ones

  • @timeandattention3945
    @timeandattention3945 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The main question to design, why ? A question we use to ask as children.

  • @fabiog9566
    @fabiog9566 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    In South Africa, we learn about this process from when we are 8 years old.

  • @dgreenwood7367
    @dgreenwood7367 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really inspiring video! :)

  • @chrisroy5523
    @chrisroy5523 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is literally the scientific method.

  • @kevinfung2708
    @kevinfung2708 7 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    This is simply the scientific method with marketing, nothing new.

    • @TheMDVeed
      @TheMDVeed 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Famous Minority, I was thinking the same thing.

    • @moothunderos7163
      @moothunderos7163 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Wouldn't really apply this method to 'marketing', and the design-method of observing something, and eventually creating something new from those observations has existed for longer than scientific-methodology or marketing, or even language (take the Achulean Hand-Axe, evolved from the problems with early iterations of basic tools)

    • @IkeOkerekeNews
      @IkeOkerekeNews 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Famous Minority
      So? What is your point?

    • @rwbeckman
      @rwbeckman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      About 30 seconds in I was thinking 'they better say scientific method'. But no, some dude with ugly ass glasses acts like Ideo invented inventing.

    • @ohelnitnit
      @ohelnitnit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Moo Thundéros I think he means that "this" as in this video, is basically just talking about the scientific method. They're just marketing the video.
      Simple? Check.
      Little bit of history? Check.
      Rebranded to apply to design? Check.
      Finding a "cool" person to talk about it? Check.
      Good animations? Check.
      Vox's signature liberal message of widespread use and importance? Check.
      And boom! The marketing is done!
      Views. Profit.

  • @rolandosierra2289
    @rolandosierra2289 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice videos

  • @tholo.nkadimeng
    @tholo.nkadimeng 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well.. That was educational

  • @micr0514
    @micr0514 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    That´s the 'Lean Startup Methodology' by Eric Ries

  • @limjunyan2487
    @limjunyan2487 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was realised on the day I learned it in school.

  • @b1g_m00n
    @b1g_m00n 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    so.... when does the second part comes out? I need comparisons of how that proccess aplied to items and systems alike. Give me cases, failures, successes, etc.

  • @deniserafaeli
    @deniserafaeli 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're in for a treat if you research biodesign....

  • @osru_
    @osru_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    TED x Vox > AntiSocialSocialClub x BAPE

    • @walkerhuston3785
      @walkerhuston3785 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anything > AntiSocialSocialClub x BAPE

  • @filipenunes511
    @filipenunes511 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why are designers a problem? (don't let the social media way of communication disregard the importance of the komma).

  • @JohnSmith-td7hd
    @JohnSmith-td7hd 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The mouse creation job is called "product design".

  • @ninadevos4818
    @ninadevos4818 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    background I guess pretty good! formation ..