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Paul, Origen, Augustine, Dante, Thomas Aquinas, Bonaventure, Bernard, Bach, Kierkegaard, Barth, Rahner, Balthasar, John Paul II--they all believed in angels. I'd take them any day over a whole stadium of "academics" today.
And you are the one who talks on behalf of logic, Dude...
Belief is not knowledge.
I makes me sad that you are so dismissive of academia And I'm flabbergasted as well.
Just to be clear: the trust in science is not based on trust in individuals, other than their overall honesty and relative competence as a group. It is based on trust in a process that has proven itself again and again and is continuing to do so. In science, you don't get away with just believing in something.
Because here's the fundamental thing: why does your argument depend on words alone? Why do you need to depend on figures of authority? Why can't you back up your argument with experimental evidence?
And why, oh why doesn't the church make a serious attempt at taking a scientific approach to these claims? Not one of trusting figures of authority, not one that depends only on the in-crowd (as is done with decisions on exorcism), not one that depends on a battle of words like you are waging here, but one of rigorous, verifiable testing??
Dude why is every word out of his mouth so intelligent. Like even as he begins to speak, so articulate
Nino Azcuy A lifetime of study.
@@CarmaCasto maybe because his level is so high that you can't grasp it?
He is an amazing speaker....and thinker.
God permits evil in order to bring out of it a greater good.
That makes no sense
God created a universe that includes beings endowed with freedom. Freedom, by its very nature, admits of abuse. Evil came precisely from an abuse of God-given freedom. In this sense, God permitted evil (the abuse of freedom) because he was so committed to the greater good of having free creatures who could truly respond to his love. Where is the incoherency in this? And why in the world would you think that love is a "finite description?"
LOL What a peace of work you are. Go read some Christian writings from the first and second century, this is exactly what the churches belief on the origin of evil has been from the beginning, it is _not_ a modern response to academia, it is an ancient self examination of one of the most important questions there is.
Don't assume the church is innovating or changing just because you are ignorant of what the church has always believed.
Moreover, free will _cannot_ exist without creating the possibility for evil. Not giving a being the right to choose for themselves is the definition of tyranny, and no good choice can exist, when there is no capacity to choose at all.
Lastly, Bishop Barron often condemns and acknowledges wrongful acts that have been committed by the church or members of it, those actions were wrong, but the fallibility of humanity is something that is directly acknowledged by Christian doctrine. It's no different from the 94,000,000 people killed by communism in the 20th century (more than the catholics ever killed) this is a human failing, not a failure of the doctrine of Christianity with teaches against these abuses, and always has. Those people are not justified by Christian teaching, they are condemned by it.
(Side note, I am not a catholic. I just know history.)
Roger why so much anger and hate?? I think you need a hug........go say 2 Our fathers and 2 Hail Mary’s and turn that frown upside down.
Being given free will from God, it must be used in the right way at all times. Because of our fallen nature and being born with original sin, we are always having to battle against evil, even if it's not obvious to us. When we least expect evil, is when evil can attack us, ever so subtle and just to try and get entrenched into a person's thoughts. That's why a person must always be on guard.
Roger why have you chosen to take sides with what's evil? Are you proud of yourself? Do you really think you're kidding anyone? The only one you're hurting is yourself. If that's what you choose, then remember what your outcome could end up being
I am learning so much about my faith that I love was never taught. Thank u Bishop Barron keep up the good work Bless you
No. The devil, like all creatures, was made by God. Then he fell of his own free will.
Ah yes, God _should_ have created a mindless automaton that followed command without any reason or ability to choose for himself. Or better yet, a slave who _had_ to obey even if he did not want to! Oh wait, that would have been morally reprehensible even by human standards.
You're the one that sounds like an idiot. How does one create free beings with free will and not _also_ create the capacity for evil? It's impossible. And so God chose that the capacity for good, the capacity for freedom, was _worth_ allowing the possibility for evil, just as today we choose the goodness of freedom of speech is _worth_ the danger of people abusing that freedom to hurt others.
@@ThePassiveObserver you've got a serious problem. One day you'll find out when you're laying in your bed taking your last breath, or dying in a car crash or an overdose, but whatever catches up to you, your eyes will be wide open, as to where your final destination will be when you're passing.
Roger everyone that knows anything about why the devil fell was because his extreme pride and arrogant attitude. He wanted a throne and the throne he wanted was to be above God. We all know what became of that outcome, the devil and a third of the angels who followed him were cast out of Heaven, by Michael and his Angels into the lake of fire that was made for them. To follow God and do his will, is to be free. To follow the devil is to be enslaved
"The Devil's greatest trick was convincing us he didn't exist" -- Baudelaire
Paul Quinn the usual suspects 😂
Stupidest mistake the human race ever made, *COULD* be, that they belived the devil was responsible for their evils!!!
@@fakhirpathaankhan746 look who's talking : The 😈 himself !
@Superstar Worm Keep believing that Crap !
@Superstar Worm Yes believe in Trump ?
Bishop Barron, you are very intelligent and well spoken. May God continue to Bless you.
Friend, I could put you in touch with real exorcists, who have evidence that would curl your toes.
No one has any proof that these malicious mythological beings exist. Whether or not you choose to believe in the Devil and possession etc, that's separate from -- totally irrelevant. That point might be more obvious if we just reorder the question a bit like this: "Why are there more than 1,000 exorcisms performed IF there's no devil?"
You seem to think that testimonies prove that these supernatural entities exist, let alone biased sources such as exorcists; it would be like me saying"You know what, if you want evidence of ghosts, let put you in touch with rea ghost hunters?". That's essentially asking whether there is an inherent relationship between people taking a certain action based on belief, and the truth of such a belief.
So, do you realize that people very often try to "treat" a problem that doesn't really exist? For example, there are places in the world where men think that raping a young virgin female will cure them of AIDS -- does the fact that so many men act on that false belief suddenly make the belief true? Of course not. (Note: Please don't get into a side discussion about your religious views regarding AIDS, that's irrelevant and I only mention this as an example of people having an obviously false belief that they act on, as evidence that people acting on a belief doesn't make the belief true).
Let's use an example you're probably inclined to recognize and relate to more quickly -- some ancient non-Christian religions believed that they had to make human sacrifices to appease their many different gods, and would regularly throw people into volcanoes or slaughter children on alters etc, all in the belief that the Sun was a giant firey God in the sky who was destroying their crops unless the people made blood sacrifices of this sort. Millions of people believed those things, and they carried out hundreds and possibly even thousands of such sacrifices, and they would point to the droughts and destruction of crops as total obvious proof that their beliefs were true, and they'd then point to the eventual rain and growth of crops as proof that their sacrifices worked.
Now, you obviously don't believe in those religions, and you obviously would realize that it's irrational to kill children as sacrifices to the Sun in order to make corn grow, right? You can probably rationally see that, of course, the droughts were just caused by weather conditions due to some other reasons, not because the Sun was mad at the farmers. And you probably also see that logically, it was inevitable that eventually the rain would come back and then the crops would grow again. Rain eventually always returns, that's how the weather works, and it was unrelated to any of the ritual killings that took place. You can look at those old examples of people's behavior and see that even though millions of people believed those things, that didn't make it true, and just because millions of people engaged in a behavior that they thought was obviously motivated by evidence of the Sun's wrath, they were wrong and that's not real proof that their beliefs in the sacrifice were correct.
So, look at that situation, and then compare it to the example of modern day exorcisms. Whether you believe in the Devil and demons or not, do you understand that asking -- why are there so many exorcisms if there's no devil? -- is a question that really asks, "if a certain behavior keeps happening, does that prove that the people's belief must be true since they keep acting like it is?" And that's not a logical situation. You might believe in exorcism and demons, but the fact that some people act like it's true doesn't MAKE it true. Otherwise, you'd have to personally say that you accept the claim that since so many Buddhists meditate to achieve enlightenment, then you must think Buddhism is true and correct.
Do you accept the possibility that sometimes, a person might have an illness or problem that makes them SEEM to be possessed (based on your idea about what possession might look like) but that isn't really possession? What if a nice, virtuous Christian trips and hits their head, suffering a concussion that causes them to have a seizure, and some people see it and think the person is suffering demonic possession instead of just a temporary injury to their brain? Do you admit that at least sometimes, such things might happen where a person isn't possessed and only SEEMS to be?
If you accept that this can happen, that it's possible, then you must understand that logically this is proof that just because people THINK a person is possessed doesn't necessarily make it TRUE. If you understand that mistakes can be made, and if you accept the Catholic Church's own admission that they used to perform a lot of exorcisms that were really just cases of a person with a sad medical problem, then you have to see that the fact that sometimes exorcisms are performed doesn't count as "evidence" that those exorcisms were REAL or NECESSARY. So, if you can understand that logic, you should be able to look at the other examples I offered you and see why the existence of exorcisms is not proof of demons or the Devil.
Exorcisms have for thousands of years been performed in many different religions and belief systems, and very often/usually targeted people with medical illnesses and mental or emotional disturbances, or people who were feared and targeted by others around them due to ulterior motives such as jealousy or revenge. The Catholic Church even recognizes that people often mistake physical or emotional/mental problems with "possession," and that's an admission coming right from the Church itself.
People who don't believe in the existence of demons or even Christians who don't believe in either the Devil and/or demonic possession, are not going to be convinced that they're wrong just because you point to the fact that religious people who already believe in such things are sometimes trying to exorcise "demons" out of other people who probably suffer from physical, mental, or emotional troubles, or who are being targeted due to simple behavior related to irreligiousity otherwise engaged in some behavior that devout religious people are suspicious of and disapprove of etc.
You clearly believe in you personal deity pertaining to Christiaity, and in the Devil, and in demons, and in demonic possession. That's your belief system, but you should understand that your beliefs are faith-based, they are ultimately dependent NOT on evidence and proof, but on your pure faith (meaning belief without need of proof and evidence), and you can't expect your own personal faith-based beliefs to equate to proof and evidence for those who lack your faith-based beliefs. That's just not going to happen, and hopefully I've explained why in a way you can understand and appreciate, and you'll likewise come to realize that there's not much point in trying to debate and argue with atheists and other non-Christians using evidence and proof etc, because you are talking about faith and ultimately that's something that is separate from evidence and proof.
>, and you obviously would realize that it's irrational to kill children as sacrifices to the Sun in order to make corn grow, right?
Um... as a Catholic you don't have to think this is irrational. In fact we do believe in sacrifice in general. Many catholic theologians do believe that these pagans would sacrifice them to their "gods" who are actually demons. It very well could have worked, but as a Catholic we would never do it. Sacrifice has been a part of life in virtually every culture in history and unlikely it's a coincidence.
And also we believe not in just purely faith but with evidence. There is plenty of evidence for our beliefs. Atheists love just to think that's what we believe oh it's just on a whim purely with zero evidence, but no haha. Atheists have to be the most idiotic people seriously, they're so deluded. But it's okay they are dying out, they have an abysmal birth rate. Check the latest pew studies, atheism is dying out globally.
Roger....I have never met a more rude obnoxious creature than you. You are a great promoter of Catholicism.
@@JohnSmith-yw9nk you've chosen to not believe in the existence of God or the devil. That's your choice, but there are an extremely rare amount of people, who've had the very bad experience of seeing the devil face to face, and that is something they never want to experience again. The devil is afraid of God, and of all his Holy Angels and Saints. He's the one that had the most perfect place to be, only he was jealous, arrogant, and too full of his own pride and that's what lead to his downfall, along with a third of the angels who were stupid enough to follow right behind him. When you're in the perfect place which is Heaven, a place that is beautiful beyond imagination, never under any circumstances turn your back on it, or else you'll find yourself in the same rotten place the devil and his cohorts found themselves in. Whether you choose to believe it or not, that's up to you, but even when you're taking your last breath, you'll know, and you don't want to have made the wrong choice. There's still time for you to reverse course, and get back on the right path, but it's your choice to make
Because I am a pretty solid follower of Bishop Barron on TH-cam, this one popped up in my cue this morning. Even though it is from 13 years ago, I still get these.
I would not proclaim to be devout in the true sense of the word. I try, but I struggle. It’s hard, for me, to believe what seems unbelievable. That said, Bishop Barron has ferried me across some pretty choppy waters to deliver me into a place of calm where I can say, today, that I believe. He did this through calm, rational, reasoning such as what you see in this video.
For those of you struggling to wrap your mind around the whole notion or concept of God and sin and Jesus, I offer an idea for you. Many, many times you’ll hear Bishop Barron say that “God is Love”. I believe that. My take on sin is that it is a moving of yourself away from that love. You know when you do it and how you did it. If you think about it, you know why you did it. You fell…away from God, away from the light of His love, into darkness where you’re not allowing yourself to feel and be warmed by God’s love. The beautiful thing is that, at anytime you so desire, you can move back toward God and be welcomed, be warmed, be forgiven, be allowed to bask in his Love again.
I know this was long. I hope it helps.
Forgive that last post. Fr Barron, as a convert of 3 years from the Pentacostal faith your talks have really helped complete my conversion! Thank you so much and God bless
Thank you so very much for your teachings!
I am learning and inspired in many ways to be better and to understand the teachings of Christ and the Catholic Church! God bless you always Bishop Baron ❤❤❤🙏🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊
Bishop Barron makes learning about God interesting.
Because the devil is real, and he wants to destroy a person's soul. Some people have been face to face with him, which is extremely rare and extremely terrifying. It's not a game and he's not to be played with or to entertain for one's enjoyment.
I’m not an expert at all, but I did find that I could learn about God from his creation, both from those who are for him, those who oppose him and those who ignore him. They all highlight the Almighty in their own way. Love, hatred and indifference can all reveal an aspect of the divine, which is super strange, and amazing.. God is ultra smart.
Beautiful.
The dear father explained only, why people could have conceived of the existence of the devil (or "devilS" as counter-part to angels?), but never confessed, whether he himself seriously believes in the existence of the devil (I hope not!) .
Actually, it is a very simple statement, easy to comprehend; it means the lack of proof of something existing does not mean that, because of the lack of proof, that it doesn't exist.
Thanks bishop
the spritural world is amazing
Bonkers.
Thanks much for this video.
Parents get angry with their children, and God will sometimes, too. But he'll always forgive you. That's the different part, lol.
Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny. He is not merely copying life artificially ... or modifying it radically by genetic engineering. He is going towards the role of a god: creating artificial life that could never have existed naturally."
You stated, "I admit to the reality of Hell". This statement is nonsensical for two reasons; 1) In order to admit to something, you would have know that the something in question was factual, which you do not, and nor does anyone else, and, 2) As you would not know its exact nature, even if it did exist, you could not profess to know a distinction between your understanding and someone else's.
Isn't it true that the angelic powers that fell made a definite break which they could not be saved from? I have heard that angels have one chance once they are created to turn to God or away from Him so I do not think that grace would come into play.
But why does god allow him to exist if he knows evil stems from him? Why would god allow him to exist freely when God knows he wants to harm us?
Unbelief
The arguments don't work, if you assume someone will find your beliefs as sound as you do, what's the argument? Why just assume a spirit world exists with no evidence? Because of variety in nature? That doesn't make sense, why aren't super heros real, "There's things stronger than me. Ergo Superman exists."
I know this is more of a epistemological question but what would be the point for God to create spiritual beings? What would be their motivation and purpose?
+CM102888 you guys ask some great questions, I wish I had time to converse with you all..
To MoDeeSeventyThree :
Every once in a while something will happen in everyone's lives which will make us do
a "double-take". By this I mean something out of the ordinary experiecnce that we can NOT explain with or without human "reason". It's happened to me, however I stopped telling people I know about it (especially family) because people start to believe you're "crazy". This is an insult because it is dismissive & assumes it is their "fault".
without further consideration
Very interesting.
From a Christian- that's a very interesting thought. The "other realm" is described as if it's fantasy.
To MoDeeSeventyThree:
What An "Original" Idea You have...There Were Times When I Honestly Took Comfort In The Possibility That It
Was "Only" Me. However, Now I KNOW I'm Not Alone. It Is Scarier To Believe and/or To "Know" A Greater Truith Outside Ourselves, Because Then We are confronted with something we have no control over, not to mention that when we try to protect our loved ones they treat you with scorn. But You know what?
I have nothing to prove to anyone. Beleive what you want.
How does that work exactly?
But if God is all knowing, all powerful, with a divine plan, then he knows prior to creating the devil that he is destine to fall by his own free will. Is it not then an act of malevolence to knowingly create a being that you pre-destine to fall, become evil and turn into the source of; in some cases eternal toucher?
If god gives free will and honestly has no clue what we're going to do with it; then all powerful and all knowing is out the window. If he knowingly creates Evil; well ..
We are all given free will from God. It was the devil who chose to lead a rebellion because of his extreme pride and arrogance. The devil chose to serve himself and ignore all the was wonderful and loving that is Heaven. He was jealous of God and chose to lead a rebellion, and with that rebellion, 1/3 of the angels chose to follow him, and were cast out of Heaven, to be thrown into the lake of fire, that was made for the devil and his fallen angels. That's what that kind of bad attitude will get you.
@@ThePassiveObserver remember when you're breathing your last breath, you'll see where you're headed too.
@dajokn19 . No lack of evidence? What is the evidence? I thought demosn were supposed to be physical manifestations?
That's not what I meant.
I meant he made himself by his own choices.
And God is an uncaused or uncreated thing. He just IS.
I assume that belief in demons makes a certain amount of sense once you believe in supernatural beings, but I would still hesitate to extrapolate too much. If you take the step to devils, why no go on to fairies and leprechauns?
I know that the Bible doesn't mention them, but the fecundity and diversity argument would easily lead to more additions by simply using some imagination as to what beings might be out there. If not leprechauns and fairies, at least ones that are somewhere between angel and demon in various shades of grey or even colours of the rainbow.
Where do you stop and, more importantly, why?
Why take either? One needn't do so, you know.
what is superman without kryptonite.
@@ThePassiveObserver what is Roger without common sense and a losing attitude? Answer, a mind and a soul that is lost and running as fast as he can to his own destruction
Father. Robert Barron is the boss
That's not what I meant.
I meant he made himself by his own choices.
fecundity..... i had to look it up, when i heard it i was like "say again? fucundawhat??" and it is....drum roll please... the intellectual productivity of a creative imagination
its a real word of latin origin fecundus.its in spanish too fecundidad.the man is an erudite.
Yes I believe 100% in angels and devil's
Fears control people, fears make a money. Dah
Please do
You are proving right the saying, "Don't throw your pearls before swine"
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@dajokn19 . The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence? That sounds like some real BS
Me too ! :)
Jusr keep re-reading what I wrote until it sinks in.
Why did I start believing in the devil because everything about my life was either destroyed or murdered for believing in god my life threatened by pastors kids murdered and I don't even know how many people who have the name Jesus threatened my life for believing in god so it's probably better for my future to believe in the devil I don't even know how many days I've spent praying for food drinks better life outcomes and life just gets worse and to top it all off killed one of two dogs and stole my other dog for believing in god and Jesus even after all that is taking place still had a belief but why suffer for no reason everything about god and Jesus is a lie
The devil exists. That is all. What makes us think that ants don't know that too? Even ants know that when getting free real food from someone who just got out of college to be a rabbi (or a priest) isn't going to automatic mean next he is going to next say to them all that they should all believe in him as their supreme being.
Old treasure 👂👍💜
God is wisdom itself. God is Love itself. God is the source of all that is good, and life itself. When you, a mere creature created by God out of His Vast Love, were created we are told God knew you personally before He formed you in your mother's womb, and even the hairs on your head are counted. So when such a God had to deal with the sin created, not by God but by the Free Will of man to either love God, or Not, He gave us time to decide. You obviously know nothing about God. God tells you and all like you to seek, and He promises that then once you make that decision to seek, you shall find. God says knock and it will be opened to you.
I am just like you, mere sinful man, and yet I know God exists, not maybe, not possibly, I have staken my life on God. If told by someone with a gun to my head, 'renounce God, or I will blow your brains out', I will allow him to kill me if he must because I will never renounce God. You are seeking the creator of everything a power so vast your mind can't imagine it. He is invisible to our senses, but not to our reason, our emotions, and our souls. He can, and does make Himself known, just NOT the way you want Him to. He has that right. He is God after all, and you're not.
God and the Devil will one day forgive each other and the story of duality will end.
God will never forgive Satan because Satan will never admit his faults.
If you believe in god then the devil goes along with that, good and evil. But if you don’t believe in god then you can’t believe in the devil either.
We believe in the devil or Satan without question because the Bible talks about him and the Lord Jesus strove against him in the wilderness and defeated him on calvary's cross. Also, take a look around the world and see the sin, and look at the Roman Catholic system and see his false church in action, deceiving and being deceived.
And. The absence of evidence is just that. No evidence. The lack of evidence is most certainly a strong argument against the claim being made.
A mythological remnant
@dajokn19 Why do I think angels and demons don't exist? You mean besides the fact I am not three years old? I guess because there is no evidence they exist. That nobody has ever seen one
They do exist. What is terrifying is if you were to see the devil face to face, it would frighten you more than you could imagine. On very rare occasions people have seen him, and they'll remember how badly they were frightened for the rest of their lives. If you were to see one of God's Holy Angels, then you would be in awe of their stunning beauty, and feel at peace. You'd want them to stay, because of the overwhelming amount of courage and peace they've brought to you, just being in their presence. You would probably have so many questions to ask of them, but the most important thing would be, is to let them assist you and tell you what's required of you to obtain your eternal reward. Pray fervently
Bishop, the devil does not control the spiirit of evil, it's vice versa
The devil is evil, hatred, and a destroyer of souls. He is evil through and through, the prince of darkness, the father of lies.
The title suggests that the video gives a an answer to the question in the title, but it didn't. That didn't explain any reason at all to believe in the devil.
Fr. Robert
1. made you acknowledge the vastity of God's creative power.
2. pointed at the fact that angels are presented in the Bible as creatures of God as much as we are.
3. pointed out the fact that they too can abuse their free will and choose for themselves. Those who did are devils, Satan is the first rebel.
He explained the content of the Bible in the context of our reality. Squisite answer if you ask me.
but how can one know any of those things are true? what proof is there?
Ow well, faith.
If you then ask me: "well, what is faith?"
I would answer:
"Faith comes from experiencing complete failure in aspects of your life and, out of desperation and maybe even in disbelief, you invoke God. Seeing how everything gets solved and even gets better afterwards in a way that is beyond your possibilities & comprehension"
Once you have experienced God, material or exact proof for the existance of this reality is not needed (and I doubt it is even obtainable).
I hope this answers your question.
So in other words, no, there is no proof.
Then how do you, much less someone else, know the experience of God isn't just some stuff you thought in your head under mental distress? Just a superstition?.So why take it seriously? And most importantly, why obligate others to? And to believe in, and live according to, your emotions and hallucinations? Why should others accommodate your superstitions, in their lives, when you have no evidence any of this stuff you believe is true?
Love and pain are both chemical processes in the brain. When your senses pick up certain queues from the environment, the brain molecules such as C43 H66 N12 O12 S2 (oxytocin), or C10 H12 N2O (serotonin), causing your brain to order the body to react appropriately to your real life situation. This biological principle includes stress hormones that can cause hallucinations under conditions like sleep deprivation or a life of extreme stress for survival.
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God.....turmp.....Amen.one sester.....pak..
Mafha. Amen. Hapy
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So because you've never seen my dog. That's evidence that it doesn't exist? I should probably reconsider the existence of my dog.
Angels used to lust after human women?
Funny how Angels and demons not in the oldest religions
I'm guessing you're the one who thumbed down all of my comments?
But they weren't angels like Michael and Gabriel (perhaps at one time), they were fallen angels. There's a difference, lol.
some of their claims, they glibly throw out the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence line. In fact, the absence of evidence is indeed the evidence (not necessarily proof but clearly evidence) of absence.
I hate official bullsh*t
God damn it (?) father Barron, you are good !!
Don't blaspheme the name of God, Faro
The Devil/Satan is mentioned explicitly by Jesua so many times and implicity in the whole Bible dozens and dozens of times, but Bishop Barron insists on whitewashing its relevance in Catholicism.
Bishop Barron gives me mixed feelings.
Why the devil?
The devil made himself.
@dajokn19. R U saying that when we feel bad it is the result of a demon who exists outside of ourselves? Or are you simply labeling our own feelings as demons. Either way, you are quite insane. No offense
If nobody has ever seen your dog then yes, you should reconsider the existence of your dog. If there is no evidence that your dog exists, then I would not go around claiming it does were I you.
Yes, why not? If you already believe in a celestial wizard who shook the universe out of his sleeve, a mediocre prophet so delusional he convinced himself to be the son of a non existing entity, then why not believe in devils, angels, leprechauns…. .
Got created sin then, he lost control
I'm not very fond of the title of this video. To "believe in" something is to trust in it and to reference it as the purpose of one's life. Using this definition, I don't "believe in" the devil anymore than I "believe in" yogurt. It irks me to use this phrase on anything else other than Christ and the Church.
+Mina Soliman do you believe in love? is that real? and do you trust in it? You don't need to taste the yogurt to know it looks tasty. :-D My point is that, if you sense something that feels right (like love), and it cannot be fully proven until encountered and then explored. Much like meeting the girl that you "feel" an attraction towards, and then taking the leap of faith and asking her out on a date. Until then, you do not know if that feeling is true, whether it be Love or Faith. :)
Oh absolutely, I do believe in love. God is Love ;)
I believe in God, I believe in Christ, I believe in the Body of Christ, the Church (along with her sacraments and saints), I believe in the hope of the life to come.
I believe in anything that allows me to believe in this. Perhaps it is important to believe in a spouse that truly enhances and edifies the only true beliefs I have. But I don't believe in yogurt or in Satan ;)
+Mina Soliman and you believe that priests have to be celibate unless they are raping children.
That's a low blow, besides the fact that im an Orthodox Christian.
Mina Soliman how is that a low blow? It is a fact. Being an orthodox anything is nothing to brag about. You belong in a museum then as an artifact of the superstitious past.
mmm... nonsense? maybe, infantilism?, could be, but... God a tyrant? yeah sure, like the kind of tyrants that may forgive you everything in the last minute just beacuse of your repentance and your faith to welcome you in paradise and to make you inheritor of his "tyrant" power... yes, it sounds like a real tyrant. ;) God bless you.
In the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament, a figure ocasionally appears called ha-satan, which means the adversary or the accuser. He's a member of YHWH's heavenly court, one of God's advisors, serving as prosecutor, as in the story of Job, where God boasts of Job's faithfulness and ha-satan makes the case against him, prompting God to ruin Job's life and kill his children on a bet.
Satan as a lord of evil, rather than a servant of God, appears in the New Testament -- though I suppose even Satan tempting Jesus in the wilderness could be regarded as a prosecutorial role, to test Jesus's commitment. (On a side note, this story must far predate the belief that Jesus was God. Evil or prosecutor, it would make very little sense for Satan to try to tempt God away from himself; and the gospels make very clear that demons knew who Jesus was.)
Later, Christians merged more and more myths into the single figure of Satan. Baal was first described as a foreign god inferior to YHWH, later as a false god, but in the end, Baal-zebub ended up Beelzebub, a name for the Devil. Even the poor talking snake from Genesis was retconned into an incarnation of the evil one.
Linking these two periods is one I don't know much about, late Second Temple Jewish apocalypticism. This was the religion of John the Baptist and of (his disciple?) Jesus (as opposed to Christianity, the religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus). Whereas the earlier prophets interpreted disasters as punishment from God, the apocalypticists believed in a cosmic dualism, with God opposed to personified forces of evil. The Old Testament rarely mentions evil spirits, and when it does, they may be sent by God to afflict someone; but in the gospels, Jesus is shown as a veritable exorcise machine. It seems inevitable that the development of apocalypticism is key to this change in portrayal, though unfortunately I don't know the history of that development. It's pretty obvious that "Satan" is just a mythological character that evolved time and doesn't exist. Doing my own research when I was a Christian made me realize that there were no valid justification for believing in Christianity and now I am a nonreligious skeptic who enjoys studying many religions on my free time.
I recommend you check out these videos that explain the evolution of "Satan":
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lol 😂 Jesus is the only way!!
Instead of defensively pontificating, perhaps you could offer some of this evidence that you asserts exists
Isn't obvious that the philosophies you put forth below opposed to Benevolent Compassionate Revealed by God Moral Absolutes --- are always ultimately chaotic, scattering, lead to unending strife & clashes with ever changing multiple morality dependent on a person's unfettered 'freedom,' is Diablo, The Devil, or Satanic in origin?
God through Christ took all the pain of unearned suffering (Philippians - God in me does the good works, yes cooperating with His Grace is personally painful when unearned suffering happens - it takes supernatural courage - and this isn't to minimize anyone's pain --- but thoughts lead to words, words lead to actions, - in a sense, some philosophies Crucified Christ, attempted to murder God, only for those philosophies to realize the act of Betrayal of the Creation of their being --- was God's Victory at The Resurrection. No wonder John Vianny said that when a humble person makes the sign of the Cross, the devils shutter.
God help us!
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"With final causality relegated to the margins, morality became a matter of self-expression and self-creation. The extreme instance of this attitude can be found in the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche and Jean-Paul Sartre. The nineteenth-century German opined that the supreme morality-beyond good and evil-was the ecstatic self-assertion of the Superman, and the twentieth-century Frenchman held that the “authentic” person is the one who acts in accord with her own deepest instincts. Sartre famously argued that existence (unfettered freedom) precedes essence (who or what a person becomes). That’s the polar opposite of [morality] ordered to objective finality." - Barron, Robert. To Light a Fire on the Earth: Proclaiming the Gospel in a Secular Age (p. 75). The Crown Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
The Devil made me do it, lol
I think? Where's the Bible? Catholic teaching is full of confusion and so intricate on their LIES
And some day when you least expect it, you'll find out how wrong you are.
Let me keep this simple.
What is your evidence for the existence of "the Christian deity and associated creatures such as angels"?
Asserting that the Bible is a "historical text" is not evidence.
I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone above the age of 3 who believes Noah's Ark, Jonas in the Whale, etc. is history
Everything in the Bible is True. Every miracle and every teaching and every fact attributed to Jesus Christ in the New Testament is True.
Once you dare follow this line of reasoning the penny drops and your life is revolutionized into a beauty you simply cannot imagine - for eternity.
Believe it and be transported to a world of joy
You have yet to provide one bit of the evidence you claim supports "the Christian deity and associated creatures such as angels"
You can throw out words and phrases like "quality of evidence" and "empirical and testable" till the cows come home.
If you cannot provide any of the alleged evidence, it is clear you are full of it
Evolution much?
If Angels exist, they are very disturbing and frightening Beings. Angels have always hated humans. They don't think twice about killing your first born, turning cities to salt and annihilating their inhabitants, or rebelling against God and waging a war against their own kind because they refused to play second fiddle to "talking apes." Even Archangel Michael probably wouldn't hesitate to skewer you with his flaming sword if you annoyed him.
God's Holy Angels are always ready to help. Just as we all have a Guardian Angel that is always with us and to guide us to always do what is right. It is us that must pray and to ask them to help us along with all the other Holy Angels and Saints, as we would always pray to God. They are there to intercede for us.
You might be better served if you spent a little less time enlightening others and applying a little common sense to your own views