New Motorcraft Oil Filter FL1A Cut Open vs. Old Motorcraft Oil Filter FL1A Cut Open
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- Oil Filter Inspection.
Did you know they changed this Motorcraft oil filter? Would you still use it? Let's open it up and see what's inside!
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I always enjoy your oil filter reviews. They're both entertaining and informative. Last fall I got sick with covid and spent 12 days in the hospital. To take my mind off of things I watched several of your videos. Doing so helped me reduce my stress and worry. I've made a full recovery. I enjoyed this Motorcraft comparison.
Hi Bob,
Thank You!
I'm going to pin your comment.
Yours has got to be the best compliment I've ever received, I'm so happy I could help you out when you had that dreaded covid, and I'm glad you made a full recovery. My daughter got covid just before this New Year and she's still not 100% recovered. This dreaded disease has affected all of us in one way or another. Also glad you liked this Motorcraft video, and I hope you like all the future videos as well.
Take Care and Thanks Again! You just made my day.👍😊
@@WhipCityWrencher That's awesome!! You made my day as well. Last fall I had just started watching your videos about a week before I got hospitalized. The videos are enjoyable. They provided an escape for me mentally during this time. There's a style you have thats definetly unique and entertaining . Recovery does take time. I'll certainly keep your daughter and your family in my prayers as she continues to recover. Can't wait till the next video!
@@bobyeager6104 Thanks Bob,
Take Care! 🙏
Any relation to Jeffrey Alan Yeager?
The oil in the coolant seems a result of the engine almost being overheated - gauge never reached hot, but clanging noise after that as I limped home - car ran great, was driven cold to the dealership - eventually had engine rebuilt since almost 200,000 on it, and it would be expensive to tear apart an old engine to try to track down where the oil was entering the coolant - occasionally.
Thank you for keeping us all updated on all these oil filter! I hate when companies cheap out
You're Welcome!👍
Being a long-time Bronco II owner, I have always used Motorcraft oil filters (FL-1A). I think they are the best oil filter for the money. In spite of there small change, I'm going to continue using the FL-1A.
I enjoyed your video! Keep up the good work!
Thank You👍
I like to keep a good stock of these filters for my older Ford vehicles and thanks to your video I went out to my shop this morning to check what I had. Out of 24 filters , 18 were the older type with the bypass at the base. More and smaller flutes on the end of the older style is the tip-off and my preference. The remaining 6 are the newer type, which is fine, except on closer inspection, one is completely missing it’s bypass valve! Because of your excellent and timely video, I avoided installing this one obviously defective and totally ineffective filter on a vehicle. Thanks for all of your videos and especially this one! 👍🏻
You're Welcome! Glad it helped you out.
Thanks for sharing!👍
Need that build date & to cut open & send us photo if you still have it
I no longer have the filter. I gave it to a friend who swapped it as defective, for a new one. I did however take pictures, but I don’t think I can post them here. The build date of the defective filter was 901182216 (January 18th, 2022). If you look at the dome end of the filter through the base threads, you should see the rivet that holds the bypass valve to the spring. If you don’t see it, then you’ll be looking straight through at the inside of the end shell. Obviously the bypass valve is missing. I can’t say I’ve ever ran into this before , but then how would I have known to even look? Though I prefer the earlier type, I think these are still decent filters and I’ll continue to use them, but checking them from now on.
I would demand an explanation about that defective filter - that could have been a major problem -
All I know is that I have a 32-year-old F-150 4x4 with the 5.0 engine. All that's ever been used has been murdercraft parts. All up my Fords I use motorcraft parts. However they used to make the oil filter must have been a great design seeing that my 32-year-old truck still runs perfect can sit for 5 months and I can jump in it and start it right up. Once in awhile I might need a jump box the depending on the temperature.
I really enjoying your videos. The first video I watch was the cleaning solutions for spark plugs and fuel injection. Ever since that video I watched the other parts and now I'm moving around looking at other postings you have up.
I always make sure to give everybody a big thumbs up. I figured that's the least I can do since people are taking their time to share information. If I really like the format of the video that's when I hit subscribe. That's what I have done on your videos. I am looking forward to watch anymore of them.
Thank You, David!👍
I hope you enjoy watching all the future videos.
Take care!
PS, those Ford 302 are IMHO great engines.
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The newer filter has a little more surface area of the same filter media which for me means that filter is a small improvement over the previous version. I appreciate you pulling these apart to lay bare the ways of the filter manufacturers. Best regards.
You're Welcome and Thank You!
New Motorcraft looks fine to me. Also has more media area and pleats than the old, a positive. Dome or base end, both serve the purpose. Fact is vast majority of oil filters including the OEMs use dome end bypass, their engineers must have concluded bypass location, insignificant. Both are made by Purolator, but any changes would have to be signed off on by FoMoCo. In short, If I used the FL1A I'd continue to use them. Price is right. Thanks for video.
Saw your new vid pop up. Scrolled down to see if there was an FL1A vid lol. My 79 F150 4x4 600 likes them. Always has.
Thanks for the vid! I just noticed this the other day with the FL820s filters
Your Welcome Tony,
I didn't know for sure if they were going to change the other ones too, but it looks that way now. Thanks for sharing about the FL820S filter👍👍
Re-engineering due to cost savings has been going on for years and will continue. As consumers it's our job to be diligent and make sure our biased favorites do not change significantly.
Which is where your show comes in. You are keeping us informed.
Thanks for all that you do!
Your Welcome Jason, and
Thank You!
@@WhipCityWrencher I have four brand new filters and one used one that will be heading your way next week. They are unusual brands. You gave me your address in Jan/Feb.
@@jasonreid1332 Sounds good Jason👍,
It will be a while before I can get them all on as I'm into July with videos already made.
But sure send them my way.😊
Corporations require that they beat their previous year earnings so they do dumb stuff like this. Cut quality but sell at same or higher prices.
Not a surprise, you can't pick up anything anymore without being suspect of it not being as good as it used to be.
Looks like an improvement. More surface area on the filter media and longer over all length. Definitely prefer motorcraft over other brands. Also a fan of wix and purolator.
purolator is the oem for motorcraft
I'm running an STP cuz that's all I could get at the moment for my ford, but IDK much about motorcraft. I typically run Mobil1 filters or Wix filters
Mann+Hummel owns wix and Purolator and make oem filters for Ford Motorcraft
Another great video Whip!! Take Care and enjoy your weekend Sir!
Stay Safe!
Thanks, Steven!
Have a great weekend also!
I wasn't a big fan of them thinning out the can. I liked the old can much better.I don't like the changing the location of the by-pass valve either. I'm glad I don't have my old 302 anymore because I would have to find something else to use.
Thanks for sharing
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for the videos, keeps me from having to look inside of them myself.
@@j.t.cooper2963 Your Welcome J.T.
So far, the FL500-S survived the "update" still having an upper bypass valve. Flutes on the can seemed to be the only change.
Fl500s gang
This popped up I’m
Gonna watch it 👍
Thanks, Christina👍
I use the Motorcraft FL-1A filters on my Fords unless Wally World is out of them, in which case I use the Purolator, like I just did yesterday on one of the Mustangs. Both are quite good, and the new Motorcraft filter doesn't look to have any significant difference in performance to the near-identical older version.
placement of the bypass is dependent on placement of the filter. If it hang's vertical old design is better since it is not bypassing in a contaminated area of filter, if it is side way's dosent matter. Heavy contaminants go to the low side of the filter. But I agree with you the older version would be my choice also.
Yep, on my vehicle, this filter mounts vertically. This is a pretty big filter so I assume it mounts vertically on most applications.
Thanks for your feedback!
Horizontal on the Ford 300 inline 6. Lack of prefill doesn't seem to hurt it any, though, as that engines has a reputation for longevity.
Had a couple of the 300's in the fleet. At idle I swear the oil pressure gage drew a vacuum reading for the last 150000 of it's life but 40lbs going down the road. Change the oil and do not let them overheat too bad and that engine is good for 300 or 350 tho miles. But got better economy out of the 351. Mounted vertical on a lot of the older engines.
I just caught this video. Thanks for the info. Looks as though my love affair with Motorcraft oil filters will be coming to an end. I've used them for a long time including on my various pushrod and OHC V8s and a couple I6s plus 6.7 diesels and now on my 3.5 Eco. NAPA will sell me WIX filters all day but they do tend to be a bit costly in comparison though but a heluva lot less then a new Eco motor
I work at a ford dealer and the fl 500s, fl 910s, and fl 400s, to name a few have changed to the new design. The other filters have changed design also.
Thanks for sharing!
Wow, one and a half threads, so generous!
Y'all may know this already but the same company makes a lot of different brands of filters in the same factory. I have a friend that used to work in a Purolator factory in Fayetteville NC back in the mid 90s. And they made motocraft filters at that time. He also said at that time the ones Ford dealers sold were better than the ones sold in parts stores. Be interesting to compare now to see what differences, if any, exist.
I'm guessing the change in the filter might be to reduce the difference between various filters both within brands and between brands. I'll try to ask my friend what the difference was between the store and dealer filters was and let you know.
Cool
Penny pinching bean counters most likely just like most companies now a days. At least it’s still better than ac Delco and mopar. I use the purolator boss or fram ultra, so far so good
Without a doubt, I will use both. As long as it's USA made.
For my truck I always use Genuine Motorcraft or Mobil 1. It’s OEM designed to be used for the vehicle. Anything but a wix.
@@michaelbenoit248 Wix is made in China now unfortunately.
@@michaelbenoit248 why not Wix?
Like the old Motorcraft oil filter better because the bypass valve is on the top
I have always used Motorcraft or Fram from the time I was 14-15 years old till the present of 46 years old. Never had a problem with either filter. Now with what I have seen in this video my personal opinion the old Motorcraft filter is built better. This is the first time watching your videos and it is great you are taking your time to show the good and the bad of filters. I would imagine you have a test on Fram filters so I'm going to search your page. Good stuff keep up the good work.
Thanks, Mike,
I've made mostly Fram Ultra oil filter comparisons.
@@WhipCityWrencher I will definitely check that out. I'm curious to see a standard PH series Fram up against a comparable filter. 👍🏁👍🏁
Just put a new FL1A on my 91 Jeep Cherokee 4.0. never noticed if it was old or new. I'll have to have a look under the hood tomorrow. Very interesting video!
Thanks! I want to point out that the flutes alone may not tell you which filter you have. I've opened a couple FL820S and it didn't seem to matter.
@@WhipCityWrencher Date code on mine is 11/30/21 and it's the old style. More flutes and bypass at the base. I bought a couple at the same time and the date code is the same on the one in the box as the one I put on the Jeep.
@@frankjaerschky8902 Yep, I forgot about checking the date code also.
Thanks for sharing!👍
Old filter media has a 242 inch squares area and new one is 255 inch square so 13 squares inches extra for the new one
Good job!, the newer filter might also accommodate synthetic oil better!, just a thought!.
Yes, Thanks to Wayne you did a nice comparison on these two filters! Guess we can't ask oo much for that low price.
You got that right!
Thanks Ella!
@@WhipCityWrencher, You're Welcome! Have a Great Weekend! 🙂
@@ellalamont6943 You Too!😊
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks! 😊
Those filters fit on my Ford ton truck 1979.
Just throwing this in as a reference, the Motorcraft FL-12A, date code from 2017 (General Motors PF1218 equivalent), has the same can style as this new FL1A. Cost savings no doubt, probably cheaper to make the end cap bypass than continue to make and replace tooling as needed for the end cap bypass, and to make the replacement dies for that tight crimp style of the older fl1a. Probably also less wear and tear on the dies to make the new/old style gm can flats.
looks like they reduced costs by using a thinner canister, and a cheaper type of bypass.
I wonder if road debris could pierce the metal side of the filter
I guess it all depends on where your filter is mounted? If given the right conditions it could probably happen. But I think it would be extremely rare.
the best oil filter in the entire world
K+N?
I always put the FL1A on my 97 Explorer. I get them at Walmart
I’d like to see you go to your local ford dealer and compare their filter with the Walmart filter.
It would be the same thing unless they have some old stock.
Thanks it looks like a red can purolator
Everything today is a cost savings measure. I am arm wrestling my cat 🐈 for a can of food.
Why would you eat the cat's food 😐
Buy your own food
@@JAMESYBOY. he does buy food for both butt times are hard
WHO WON...?
They gave you more filter and yet you guys still seem to complain.
New ones are too restrictive. 7.3l takes an FL1995 new MC # FL-1995-A.
After I changed my oil & oil filter from old to new filter I started having serious issues.
After highway or driving kind of hard when coming to a stop my truck would rough idle & when light turned green & I stepped on the gas pedal truck would shut off. Almost got rear ended. Thankfully most of the stalls were in driveway after revving up the motor to try & pin point the issue. And once coning out of driveway. Thank the Lord it didn’t happen crossing traffic.
Always had a feeling it was the filter but of course I changed our cps twice, fuel filter, fuel pump & ignition switch. Spent probably $500, finally swapped out oil filter to a Wix. Issue hasn’t happened simce.
When I tool off “New” FL-1995-A it literally probably didn’t have but an 1/8 of a qrt of oil in the whole filter. They hold a full qrt.
So at low in town speeds or putting around it was kind of ok but get on it or highway it wasn’t getting the proper amount if oil.
If you know about the 7.3l when the oil is too low or it’s not getting enough oil, the motor has a safety mechanism that will shut down the motor to save it.
And during hwy & after the motor ran rough like it was dry or needed another oil change.
IMO Stay away from the new garbage Motorcraft filters.
I always used Motorcraft filters, never again.
Thanks for sharing, but that's strange because the Motorcraft is an OEM oil filter for your truck, and I'm sure there are lots of other people using this oil filter for their 7.3L with no problems.
If your truck is under warranty I'd have Ford take a look at your engine, I suspect you may have another problem.
@@WhipCityWrencher It's a 2000 so no warranty. Motorcraft may be OEM which is all I used to run. But IMO for the 7.3l FL-1995 filter there is zero reasons for the change.
I ran through and replaced the other issue it may have been and always suspected the new filter and when i swapped out to a Wix the issues no longer existed?
The fact that there was almost no oil in the Motorcraft filter when I pulled it off was enough to scratch my head.
So it's either the new bypass being too restrictive or I got a defective filter and there's quality control issues.
They are pushing electric and supposedly a oil shortage. So who knows.
Where's the new filter made, I didn't look.
@@wheelsone6180 Pushing electric but they need the infrastructure first. The lines on the telephone poles would fry up if everyone went electric and started charging up their EV's. Also, the economy is pretty messed up right now, the whole world is messed up right now. It will take some time before we get back to any normalcy. Take care!
Like everything else in the world today make it cheaper to keep the same price point I would rather pay a dollar more for the old style shame on them for going cheaper on such a vital part of the engine
I'm the same way, I'd rather pay a dollar or two more and still get the same good product. Thanks for your feedback!👍
YES!
Looks like Ford made a cost cutting decision. Thinner can and change in bypass valve. I like the upper bpv too. Looks like a Mann and Hummel bpv on the new one.
Yep, I wonder if the other sizes will end up this way?
While it's easy to weight and measure dimensions, the most important is pressure drop ('delta P'). The cannister is lightly loaded and operated at very low pressures (60psi?), so structural comments don't matter much, either.
Yes, but it's nice to see what's inside of them and how they are made. Manufactures keep changing them constantly trying to save a few bucks.
Definitely some cost cutting going on there ! 1 million oil filters - 1 gram of steel = 2,204 lbs of steel saved !
Unfortunately they eliminate the best thing about the filter was the upper bypass valve that didn't allow the dirty oil to recirculatie through the engine...The FL-1A isn't used that much anymore except for older V8's , I wonder if they did this to the Fl-820S and other more popular Motorcraft filters used today! Great videos by "WCW" as usual, The only thing he doesn't tell you is the brand of paint used on the cans.
Thanks, John,
I wonder if the other filters will change also? Time will tell.
That's not entirely correct. Even with base end bypass, unfiltered(dirty) oil still bypasses in a bypass event. ALL bypasses work that way regardless of location. In theory' the base bypass doesn't allow the dirty oil to pass over the pleats when in bypass. However, bypass events have been shown to be rare and of very short duration. Dome bypass used in majority oil filters including the OEMs. It will be Ford's call whether other applications follow the FL1A.
In addition to where it was originally specified, this fitment gets used as an extra capacity (longer) version of a more common filter where there is room. For example, the standard Wix filter for my Jeep 4.0L is a Wix 51085, but the Wix 51515 is 1-3/8" longer and fits perfectly allowing for more filter media. The Wix 51515 cross references to this Motorcraft FL-1A.
I like the new Maverick truck, but Ford does seem to have a lot of quality issues lately, especially leaks
Yep what ever happened to Quality #1 at Ford. Watch 'Ford Boss Me' videos at the dealership .Some real low quality stuff they are selling these days for extravagant prices..No wonder Honda and Toyota are taking such a big piece of the American market..They better hold on to the top spot with the F150 , because just Mustang sales won't carry them for long...Motorcraft oil filters has had some thin threads causing leak issues lately...Any range of the Purolators blows them away these days... IMHO
Thanks for your feedback!
@@johnqpublic2949 p l
Now I have to go out an buy a new filter socket with the change in the case ends. The new FL820s is the same.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks whip , from what I hear from Ford Boss Me is motorcraft is having problems with their threads lately. Hard to feel confident in their quality . I'm sticking with the Fram XG myself.
You're Welcome!
Yep, It would be nice to have a couple of more threads on the base plate.
And yet, Ford (no) Boss (to) Me still uses them in his shop work. Ironic. Like any filter, where possible always inspect filter before purchase. Btw, Fram Ultra media has been cheapened. No longer 2 PLY FULL synthetic media. Now Ultra has a synthetic layer backed by a blended media. Those are facts, not tripe Ford no Boss to Me puts out.
I had a FL-500 leak on a Lincoln 3.7 . Never had a filter leak before, my brother took it off replaced it before I could see the threads. Always installed filters the same way, gasket touched and got tight about 3/4 turn by hand. Either the threads gave out from vibration or the thread had burrs that made it feel tight or base contacted when it didn't. FL 500 hard to get here now.
@@faxmen09 I'm aware of the changes at Fran made. I don't need a wire back filter. I just need media that won't tear and is better than 30 micron.
@@kenj.8897 There's lots of filters out there besides the cheapened Ultra that will meet that criteria. Fyi, wire backing used because the use of 2 ply FULL synthetic media, needed for support.
Possible counterfeit? Motor craft spark plugs have been found to be counterfeits. But if you a couple million dimes, it adds up...
Yes, I've heard of counterfeit Motorcraft parts. But I don't think that's the case here.
FordTechMakuloco has a video on the subject.th-cam.com/video/OpDJNDb6b9A/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=FordTechMakuloco
Thanks for your feedback!
That’s the Ford legendary oil filter. Ford started using them on V8 and I6 since in the 1950’s all the way through the mid 1990’s. It was even used on Pinto I4 engines as well as some V6 cologne engine.
Yep, it fits my 97 Explorer.
Thanks for sharing!👍
I used the FL 1A filters on my Ford 4600 SU, 5000 & 6700 Diesel tractors back in the day in place of the short stubby the dealers sold, never had an issue with them in over 10,000 total hours , wish they still used them on my new 2021 F-150 with the 5.0 V8 instead of the 500S.
@Tommy Pistols Yep my 93 Ranger with the 2.3 Lima uses it. That motor was derived from the Pinto as I'm sure you already know.
And the Jeep 4.0
@@TheBandit7613 Also fits on my Jeep 2.8L CRD. :)
Interesting... hard to say on this one. More filter media on the newer version vs the better bypass valve on the older version. Which ultimately is better? I dunno. Food for thought 🤔. I'll trust your opinion on this one and go with the older one.
Nice 👍
Thanks for your feedback!
If there is so much debris in the filter that the filter is bypassing flow, then you've already got a big problem... Or.... it's REALLY REALLY REALLY cold outside and you're running 20W50.
@@BKD70 You sir, know of what you speak. 👍Practically speaking, bypass location makes no significant difference. Best evidence shows bypass events are very infrequent and of very short duration when they do happen. It's true that moving the bypass from base to dome likely a cost saving measure. That said, functionally speaking, no difference. Thanks for setting the record straight.
My 1972 Ford F100 with a 302 takes the FL-1A filter. I have an unused vintage one I’d be happy to send you to see how it compares. I likely won’t use it in my truck due to its age.
How old is it?
@@WhipCityWrencher It’s has a code of 904279221. 1979?
@@planejet42 To get the date on Motorcraft oil filters, you take out the first number and the next six numbers are the date. So yours would be April 27th, 1992. I don't know if they've changed since then. Look inside with a flashlight, does it have the base end bypass valve and does it have louvers? Are the inlet holes the same? If it looks the same as the one in this video no sense in opening it up. Let me know what you find out.
Thanks!
Lately I've been using the Fram ultra synthetic filter, seems to have more media and offer better filtration. It also seems to hold a bit more oil in comparison. My oil change took about 7 qts as opposed to the usual 6.5. Engine is running like a top and currently running royal purple 5w30. Might switch back to the Motorcraft in the future, but for a few extra bucks I don't mind a filter that offers more protection for my high mileage 2v 4.6. I depend on my truck in all conditions and try my best to treat it right.
Thanks for sharing!
I've seen in a video how Walmart is forcing suppliers to find ways to make their products cheaper. In other words, they explained that brand names sold via Walmart are not always the exact same as the original products. I don't know where that video is now.
Hi Gina,
If you happen to find that video please post a link to it. Thank You!
This is a half truth built on a misunderstanding
If it's the same upc/model it will be the same as if you bought it from anywhere else
However some things are walmart specific and these will have a Walmart specific model number and upc
Same with black Friday specific items (for example look at the laptops and see that some will have a "bf" in the model number indicating a special black Friday production run)
And people love to bring up tires... Yes the models regularly stocked in store are walmart specific, but they are also a model specific to walmart, you buy a goodyear reliant and you are getting a Walmart tire, but if you order a goodyear assurance maxlife from Walmart it is the same tire you would get from discount tire, pep boys, Jeff's local boy tire shop, etc
i wish you would've said why you like that old design bypass valve better. i dont see a problem in either one. seems that the new one will filter more oil since it has more media.
If you have a base-end bypass valve and the bypass valve happens to open for whatever reason the oil will flow from the top directly into your engine. If the bypass valve is at the dome end and the bypass valve opens the oil has to flow from the top to the bottom and could pick up particles of dirt on the way. It's not a deal breaker, I just think the base-end bypass valve is better.
Looks like the same thing that is sold as a Quaker State, but with Motorcraft on the label with the added cost at the store. I am sure that change to the bypass is simply cost cutting only.
Sometimes the threads are totally missing or very poor on some of the newer MotorCraft FL500 filters too 🤣
Yep, not a good thing.
I replied to this earlier, had a FL 500 start leaking after a few months and I know it was installed right. My brother swapped it out before I could look at it and FL 500 hard to find here now.
@@mikekokomomike same here it seems like all the filters that fit both 3.5 ecoboosts are never in stock i havent seen a mc filter in months or M1.... ill jump between fram and mobil 1 and i just had a fl500 delivered from summit racing since i needed more items for free shipping.... i think summit said something like 5 in stock
Lighter can= less tolerant of high pressure that might develop in cold weather with thick old fashioned high viscosity oil,should not be a problem with the newer "synthetic" 5w-30 or lower vis (like 0w-20)
I have no problem buying older oil filters as long as the sealing gasket isn't brittle and cracked. I wrap my older ones in plastic after lubing them for storage. = stubborn older person with high standards = me.
The end-cap end bypass was really the only thing that separated the Motorcraft from other similar quality filters. The change seems like a poor marketing decision on Ford's part. That may not be an issue in warm climates, but in the Frozen North, bypass at startup is likely a whole lot more common. In a vertical mounting, like on the Explorer, it would seem like gravity would settle some particles in the dome end over time, exactly where you wouldn't want bypass oil to come from. Is it common to see a Parker anti-drainback valve on a non Parker-Hannifin (Baldwin/Hastings) filter?
Well Said!!! ...The Purolators brand " 5000 " mile filter is close to the same price at the Menards here in Missouri. And is literally the same or maybe even better than the Motorcraft is now with the standard dome mounted bypass...'WCW' has disected a number of different types of Purolators and all were quality made. Only thing as many USA made filters have shown, they need better calibration on the glue nozzles, as excess is common, that's the only problem I've seen on any of the Purolators.
Exactly, the Motorcraft base plate bypass valve (IMHO) makes them slightly better than most other filters in that price range. It certainly isn't the micron rating.
Those Parker anti-drainback valves are used on many oil filters, I've seen them on Fram filters as well.
Vast majority folks buying Motorcraft oil filters will never know much less care about the change in location of the bypass. They buy a name and that hasn't changed. Move to dome bypass much ado about nothing. Even north of the border bypass events rare and when they do happen short duration. If it's big deal, find another brand for $4 that uses dome bypass, and made in the US. Good luck with that!
More filter media equals better performance
Yes, but they could have done with added pleats without changing the bypass valve.
I don't think there's any reason to be so concerned about the number of threads. It's only hand tight. Adding more threads won't really offer any advantage. It's not gonna strip out the way it is, and more threads probably won't make it hold any better. If it were a high torque application I'd agree that more threads are better though.
I'm not really concerned and not a deal breaker, just pointing it out. Heck, even Walmarts Supertech oil filters have more threads. Thanks for your feedback!
Again, I want the margin of safety. Why have such a cheap looking threaded area? My thoughts would be - gee you can't afford a couple more threads?
@@appleimacdude extra threads won't do anything. There's already a huge margin of safety because it's only hand tight. Those couple threads will hold a lot more than that oil filter will ever experience. It's a complete non issue.
Is there yet another new manufacture of Motocraft oil filters? I recently switched to Motocraft from Walmart but they are $8+. I keep seeing all these not too old videos where they were under $4. How can they be more than double in a year?
They did, they went up $$ fast. Same manufacture.
Hmm I do use that filter and did not know the difference . I change every 3k anyway.
Thanks for sharing!
How critical is the bypass valve vs the additional filter media? I think I'd rather have the additional pleats.
Hi Rob,
I appreciate your comment.
Someone else mentioned they would rather have the additional pleats also. I just have to say this filter already has double and even triple the filter media than most other oil filters have.
I would rather have the base-end bypass valve, as this is what has made it a Motorcraft oil filter.
I would say the bypass valve is critical - if it doesn't work, and you need it - the filter clogs for example - your engine is toast.
@@appleimacdude If the filter clogs for any reason.... your engine is probably toast before the filter ever started to bypass. Think about it...
I remember getting a fl1a years ago that had a silicone anti drain back valve
Not doubting you, but personally never seen a silicone adbv on the FL1A. Only nitrile.
It must have been quite a while ago, Ive never seen one.
Thanks for sharing!
I've seen that before, too. Years ago. It was a red anti drain back valve.
The FL1A may have had a silicone adbv a some time, but as noted, it has used nitrile for quite awhile now.
I have a 1972 Ford Pinto and a 1964 Ford Fairlane that both use the FL1A filters. I have about 20 of them in stock, bought at least 3 years ago. I also have a 2006 Ford Crown Vic that uses the FL-820S filter. I've owned that car for the past 6 years, and recently changed the filter on it. I don't know if they have changed the inside, but the flutes are still the same. On the Crown Vic it is virtually impossible to remove/install the filter without a METAL socket type filter wrench that fits on a 3/8" drive socket. They is simply no room to get to it with a strap type wrench. PLASTIC filter sockets are completely worthless, they just bend and slip. Maybe I should buy about 20 filters for that car before they change the flute design. I change the oil and filter on it every 3000 miles.
Thanks for sharing!
You can get a band wrench on the oil filter on that Crown Vic. Turn the wheels all the way to the left to get the steering linkage "tie rods" in position so its possible to do, and using 2 hands, slip the band wrench on handle down and use 1 hand "left hand" on the handle and the other hand push the pinch point firm with your right hand "I use my thumb" to create a tight fit that wont slip and pull down. I did this in the Quick Lube industry for years. but you only have about 2 inches of movement.
@@crazymaze93 Great Tip! Thanks for sharing!👍
That's a nice car collection you have. You're living the dream, man!
I can't help but wonder if the Walmart purchased filter reviewed here is different from one purchased elsewhere. I've seen that many brand name items that I've bought at Walmart are different from the same item purchased somewhere else. That is how they can sell an apparently identical item for less than other stores. It costs less because it's made more cheaply.
For example, "Foster Farms Wyngz" (chicken) from Walmart has chicken pieces that are about ½ the size of the exact same product purchased from a local chain grocery store. Also, things like bathroom faucets from Walmart (and Home Depot) are of cheaper construction than those bought from a regular hardware store. And you can't tell the difference unless you compare them side by side. Something to keep in mind...
Hi Pat,
I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here. For as long as I can remember Motorcraft oil filters have always been on the inexpensive side, compared to other oil filters.
Time will tell if they all change over, I've heard of other size Motorcraft filters showing up that are made with the changed bypass valve. Thanks for your feedback!
these FL-1A are going for $10 around here now!
They're no longer in stock at my Walmart but you can still order them for $3.97.www.walmart.com/ip/Motorcraft-Original-Equipment-Oil-Filter/16817359
Why'd you switch to non metric for width measurement? Just askin' for a friend....haha!
I've always measured the width in inches, makes it easier to figure out the square inches of filter media.
The steel is thinner on the new filter but it could possibly be a higher strength steel than before. If not then engineering studies might have determined that the added thickness was not required. I don't ever recall a filter bursting because of oil pressure.
I think a really thin can could take a alot of oil + pressure but very bad at taking - pressure
@@goracegoa1808 very true but it should never be in a vaccum.
@@jamessowards3822 if filter is dirty and by pass is to mutch
I vote: new, because more filter area
A bypass valve should only be used once, right before the filter is changed.
I agree, if you change the oil/filter frequently, the bypass should never enter the equation
Will the fram endurance 3600fram oil filter be better than the fl400 for my f150 ford 2002 pick up. 🤔
I would say so, it has a metal screen backing and a better micron rating.
I wouldn’t use a fram for anything aside from a crushed door stop!
looks like this filter is now over $10 at Walmart
Yep, $12.36 to be exact. Thanks!👍
12 minutes and 40 seconds later I am sitting here trying to figure out your point. What is the micron filtration?
80% at 20 microns. 7:46 on the video.
@@WhipCityWrencher Must have dozed off
Upper bypass is better than down below. Must be made by different company. I think the old one is made by purolator.
I still think they are made by Purolator, the Pure One and the Boss also have this same dome end bypass valve.
No punched holes, no dimples saves two manufacturing processes.
less tooling. Thinner walled can isn't safe, I don't care what some
half baked research says. Different flutes- now fit wrenches easier.
Why don't all engine designers make the oil filter like the European
type? Under the hood, a plastic covering you unscrew, with changeable
O-ring with filter media on a frame, that switches out easy & clean.
This remote can design are such an ancient design of wasted steel.
I am concerned about the thinness of the housing of the new oil filter - drive a 99 Mustang six, had engine rebuilt at 200,000, accidentally almost overheated it trying to limp home with a bandaged radiator hose - hose blew again right next to the bandage - started getting oil in the coolant occasionally. I am afraid something would hit the oil filter from the road, and rupture that thin crappy case. Also, am very concerned that the oil drain back valve be as effective as practical.
The housing should be fine, there are a lot of other filters being made with about the same can thickness.
If your hitting the can with stuff your already in truble
If you're getting oil in the coolant, then you have a problem that the oil filter won't fix or affect. I'd be worried...
I wonder which flows oil better?
I'd say they're probably the same.
The new one has about 12 extra sq. in. but I wouldn't think that would do much either way.
I have a 1992 Ford F150 and the new style FL1A filter will not screw all the way up on the block. Do you know of a filter that will fit it? The old style FL1A fits it perfectly. I even tried Fram filters and they won't work either.
It should fit.
I use the Purolator Boss PBL30001 oil filter.
The new one gets tight before it ever gets all the way to the block. There is a gap between filter and block once it is tight. Old filter snuggs up to the block like it is supposed to.
@@aprilgill2845 I've heard that the threads on the FL500s had some issues, video is down below. Don't try and force it on, you could bring it back or go to another Brand of oil filter. th-cam.com/video/KF0Y4tqewMw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=FordBossMe
youre good to go just dont put no freakin FRAM!!!! lol
I hope Ford don't change the bypass valve location on all of their oil filters, upper bypass is better. Good video, thanks!
You're Welcome!
Thanks!
explain to me why the "upper bypass" is better. i dont believe it matters.
@@dethangelishere394 In theory base end bypass doesn't allow the dirty oil to pass over the dirty side pleating in a bypass event. So, less dirt particles returned to engine. But, most bypass events are rare and short duration. Most oil filters including OEM use dome bypass. Practically speaking, I agree with your conclusion.
Can't understand why they changed to the cheap plastik Valve.....looking it's quite flimsy and when that piece of plastic will find the way into the the bearings
I know the FL1A's disappeared for about a year from the Walmart's around here. This might be why.
Time to pick these old ones up quick if still available
Jeep 4.0 inline 6 uses a FL1A
Yep,
My brother had one of those, can't remember the year but I think a late 80s Jeep. Good engines.👍
Anything but a Fram.
2 a week Filter Reviews. Everyone knows the rules!
😂
Did I miss your review on the new vs. old Motorcraft FL820S?
No, I never made one, I just found out yesterday that they have also changed. I would have to say that they'll probably all change.🙁
@@WhipCityWrencher Okay, can you send back the old style FL820S that I sent you.
@@Thomas63r2 Sure, I'll send it out sometime after this weekend. I didn't make a video out of it (I think I told you why) Because I had opened up two other FL820 oil filters and the flute design did not matter. Here are the links to those videos.th-cam.com/video/SCCkh_gH-uo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
th-cam.com/video/-KK6N-PRfeM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Hi Thomas, your filter is in the mail.
I don't see the problem. The bypass valve only comes into play if the filter media becomes impassible. Who lets their filters go that long? I sure don't so I think this is largely a non-issue for 99% of users. They still beat the crap out of that Fram junk.
Oil gets a little thicker when the winter temps go down to 0 degrees Fahrenheit. I can see the bypass valve open up when first started.
I see no advantage with the bypass valve being changed, they should have left it alone. JMHO
@@WhipCityWrencher But do you see any disadvantage to the change for the end user (the engine...)? Do you have any evidence that the dome end bypass is a less reliable design?
@@BKD70 This filter will work just fine, I just think they had a better design before so why change it?
Holy Hell use Imperial for metal thickness so it can easily be transferred to sheet metal gauge...
Most want metric.
@@WhipCityWrencher Uh I doubt that since most of the filters you do are for American market vehicles. And you are using imperial measurement's for everything else.
@@WhipCityWrencher Only the whiney Europeans want metric. Imperial is too complicated for those simpletons.
The NEW Motorcraft filter looks just like a Motorcraft that I cut open 20 years ago.
I didn't know that, Thanks for sharing!
By.pass is incase filter gets completely clogged right?highly doubt any of us watching this vid have to worry about that🙃
Oil gets thicker as it gets colder, in the winter it could go into bypass for a little while on cold startups.
@@WhipCityWrencher there you go...FL820S changed recently the same way. I had to run out to autozone and get a new wrench.
Same part number means that they knew there was an issue.
I have seen soviet oil flters better han this New Chinese filter
Isn't Motorcraft made by Purolator ???? I thought they made the spark plugs and oil filters? Don't know if they make fuel filters????Remember before Motorcraft it used to be Autolite!!!
As far as I know, Purolator still makes the Motorcraft oil filters. Purolator is owned by Mann and Hummel. Also Autolite makes the Motorcraft spark plugs I dont know if they make any other parts though.
Autolite used to be owed by Fram?? After Ford was Forced to sell Autolite by the Government????
Maybe one is a counter fit Chinese knockoff.
I don't think so,they just changed this particular size Motorcraft oil filter.
Thanks!
@@WhipCityWrencher 👍