Is Batman Responsible For The Joker? (And His Crimes)
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I blame the justice system for not giving joker the death penalty. In spite of all the heinous things he's done they allow him to live. Make that make sense
I think it’s the insanity defence (not saying I agree with it lol)
I blame batman for not finding a better way to contain the Joker
@@ryanl1907 I think the problem lies in Batman constantly giving compassion and mercy to joker. While Batman doesn’t need to kill joker, necessarily, he shouldnt give compassion to him or be merciful, with someone completely merciless and sadistic
Batman doesn’t need to kill Joker, he just doesn’t need to plead for Joker’s life to the Spectre.
If you ask me, Spectre is more at fault, than the Gotham justice system because according to Spectre, joker is insane, and therefore not responsible for his actions, and therefore shouldn’t be punished
At any point, the city of Gotham could execute him, or even a civilian decently trained in firearms could do it. I understand not being able to get rid of Croc or or even Firefly, but Joker, Professor Pyg and Victor Zazz is not defensible. It's the city government's fault. The safety of the city is not all on batman. Even one of the many corrupt police officers could do it.
It lives in my head rent free how Batman told Joker “All the people I murdered by letting you live” in the Dark Knight returns
Thats a movie not comics
@@jamespeak9653 it was based off the comic that was adapted page for page
@@jamespeak9653it was a graphic novel first, so it should be considered canon in the same extent as The Killing Joke
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Gotham may rely on Batman, but he's not a real authority. His job is to stop criminals and save people, which he does.
If the Joker isn't executed, or if he's able to escape constantly, that's on Gothan and its juridical system. They shouldn't rely on a vigilante to be judge, jury and executioner.
@@matti.8465 not that I disagree he does however indirectly get people killed and allowing him to live. Clownhunter for example became a vigilante because not only Batman lied to him (from his point of view) But was sick of Joker and people who follow keep getting away with his crimes.
Yes it's not his job as J,J,E but him making promises like I will bring this person to justice but still allow it to happen will understandably have people look at Batman the wrong way especially he has criminals who kill more than 1,000
Exactly facts
Talk to em
Counter: Batman could work with The Police to have Joker arrested outside of Gotham. In fact if Batman moved elsewhere the Joker would follow.
Counter counter, at this point the Gotham pd shouldn't even be in charge anymore, the FBI should be in charge and joker charged in federal court @@AstraFulminous
No. Gotham's justice system is, relatively speaking. The justice system of the city isn't responsible for the Joker committing the crimes because the Joker makes his own choices, but they are responsible for bringing him to justice for those crimes. Joker should have been executed for his crimes or put in a maximum security cell for life. Batman's job as Gotham's protector is to capture him and bring him to justice the right way. Sure, it's flawed, but it's the only one Gotham has, and Batman helps change it. If only by a little bit each time, but the POINT is that Bruce never gives up. That's why it's not Batman's job to unjustly kill the Joker in cold blood. Because, DUH, he's not a *murderer*. All in all, the Joker makes his own evil choices. Batman is not responsible for any of them. After he captures him and helps bring him in, the responsibility is off of him and onto the justice system of Gotham City to keep the Joker either behind bars for life, in Arkham for life, or execute him for his crimes. Period. 10/10 video.
Personally I prefer where joker just moves on to a new fixation if Bruce either hangs up the mantle or dies. It makes him more chaotic and difficult to understand
It is also more realistic. Batman is also hyperfixated on Joker beyond a healthy level, but he represses it because he's the "order and rational" side of the relationship, but Batman's origin has nothing to do with Joker and Batman's actions have nothing to do with Joker and Batman's legacy has nothing to do with Joker, and i think the same applies to the clown.
@@chuuwars I wouldn’t say Batman is really all that fixated on joker beyond the fact joker actually knows who he is and who is close to him so he is more alert for him than other villains because of how much damage joker does
Short answer:
No. Joker is responsible for Joker’s crimes.
Long answer:
No, Batman is not responsible for the actions Joker choose to take in response to his trauma. It is also not the responsibility of Batman to put down the Joker. That decision should be left to the proper authorities to decide whether he should be sent to an insane asylum to get help, if he should spend the rest of his life behind bars, or if his crimes justify a death penalty due to his crimes against the entire nation. One man, much less a nameless vigilante, shouldn’t be making that decision, regardless of which one they come to.
It is undeniable that Batman plays a role in the hero/villain dynamic of all of his villains, including the Joker, but to blame the one guy who is trying to help stand up to corruption in Gotham is foolish. In fact, there was an entire episode of Batman, the animated series which tackled the question of “Is Batman responsible for creating his villains?” and the episode actually came to the conclusion that no Batman really isn’t responsible for the actions of others. And even the villains agree that Batman really isn’t at fault for what they do. (of course this doesn’t stop Batman from feeling morally responsible for what Joker does, but from an objective level, he is not responsible.)
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@comicfan1324 Batman doesn’t need to kill Joker, he just doesn’t need to plead for Joker’s life to the Spectre.
If you ask me, Spectre is more at fault, than the Gotham justice system because according to Spectre, joker is insane, and therefore not responsible for his actions, and therefore shouldn’t be punished
I remembered a very true statement once, "Villains aren't born evil; they are created from unfortunate circumstances"
One of my favorites. Evil isn't born, it's made.
@@SkinnyEatWorld95
Evil is not born,
It is taught.
Is Batman responsible for Joker’s crimes? No. Is the Justice System? Absolutely.
Honestly the real question is why hasn't the joker just received the death sentence already
@@douglaspope-gz1eq In Universe has to be because he’s insane, so his lawyers (assuming he doesn’t represent himself) must say he isn’t mentally competent enough to understand what he’s doing is wrong. It’s a weak ass argument but I can’t think of anything else.
@@BatFlash52 honestly that's a pretty convincing answer so yeah I agree that while it's a weak ass reason it does make sense for why in universe that hasn't happened yet
@@BatFlash52 Batman doesn’t need to kill Joker, he just doesn’t need to plead for Joker’s life to the Spectre.
If you ask me, Spectre is more at fault, than the Gotham justice system because according to Spectre, joker is insane, and therefore not responsible for his actions, and therefore shouldn’t be punished
That's one thing I hate about Batman: sometimes it seems he's angrier at another hero or anti-hero almost KILLING Joker than he is when Joker kills 100s of people...
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The real question is why doesn’t the government in gotham give Joker the death penalty? Batman doesn’t kill him but the joker won’t escape and kill again
I think the government also holds a large share of the blame. Even if someone is mentally insane after killing as many people as the joker has, they should take responsibility
Even before so many deaths, Joker would have realistically been killed by cops on the streets for less. Now his crimes are escolating and no one is trying to kill him? Mentally ill or not, they've killed people for less and Joker is one of the biggest continuest threats in Gotham.
@@cameoshadowness7757 Batman doesn’t need to kill Joker, he just doesn’t need to plead Joker’s life to the Spectre.
If you ask me, Spectre is more at fault, than the Gotham justice system because according to Spectre, joker is insane, and therefore not responsible for his actions, and therefore shouldn’t be punished
Ironic that you call The Joker the Hitler of Supervillains when he himself hates Nazis. And I quote from the Golden Age Batman and Captain America crossover from Joker's own mouth:
"I may be a criminal lunatic, but I am an American criminal lunatic!"
This was a funny bit and a bit of a propaganda remark cause it was still that period right after WW2, but the Joker would absolutely love the nazis and its probably the only organization he would actually considering joining. It's made just to spread suffering to others, the only thing Joker cares about.
@elsienova4269 Yeah, but they focus on one or two groups of individuals. Joker is all about random and no select group in particular.
@@cadeshanley218He’s an equal opportunity psychopath.
Joker killed people in a church and threatened to off himself if Batman didnt pray with him.
And Batman prayed with him at that point is where im like nah Batman is grimey as hell.
Harley literally had to convince him to leave the joker to die in the joker war as the place was burning.
So i don't think him leaving his enemies to die is too far off
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@Achieme remember in Batman Hush by Jeph Loeb, Gordon put a gun to Batman’s head over Batman killing the Joker. I get the point and why Gordon did it but it would come off as less frustrating and hypocritical if Gordon tried to handcuff Batman, unless the book was supposed to be a meta-commentary on how the GCPD and the law are severely flawed, hypocritical, and ineffective
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Bruce also did try to save him before Joker fell into the acid that made him into what he is. It was just an accident of him making Joker
Speaking of why Batman bothers SAVING something like the Joker from certain death, I've been rewatching Batman Beyond for the first time in YEARS and let me tell you lol Terry & Old Man Bruce aren't too shy about letting one of Gotham's baddies face certain doom.
I've seen at least 4 situations in the last batch of episodes I've watched where Terry just stood there and watch as someone ended up dead...well mostly due to a villain trying to get a hit on him only to cut something causing themselves to fall a great height.
Regardless, it's hilarious but dark!
Batman doesn’t need to kill Joker, he just doesn’t need to plead for Joker’s life to the Spectre.
If you ask me, Spectre is more at fault, than the Gotham justice system because according to Spectre, joker is insane, and therefore not responsible for his actions, and therefore shouldn’t be punished
Something I like about Arkham Origins is that it explains why the Joker is obsessed with Batman in the first place. I mean I guess causing him to fall into the chemicals was always gonna stay with him but it goes into more detail
I often wonder, if batman doesn't kill joker, what about failing to save him or someone else (villain, antihero, circumstances) kills him. Then what 🤔
Then, in most scenarios, nothing. Unless you're injustice superman, that's probably the right thing to do.
@@user-pu6pn8vt5d or if you attack Joker by surprise like in Batman hush
The fact he refuses let joker be put down for all the deaths he caused means any future deaths caused by joker are partly on Batman
Id argue batman isnt actually the one most at fault here, its the courts, joker is really one of those extreme edge cases where the justice system should execute him.
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Joker will never not be dangerous. If bats were sane, he'd have Supes put him in the Phantom Zone
i think batman isn't the only one responible other super heros,gcpd officers, any arkham guard anyone in those catagories that willingly save the jokers life witch dose't count if the were stoped by another hero or died/got hospitalized trying
That sounds like a fair argument
@@douglaspope-gz1eqremember in Batman Hush, Gordon put a gun to Batman’s head over Batman killing the Joker. I get the point and why Gordon did it but it would come off as less frustrating and hypocritical if Gordon tried to handcuff Batman, unless the book was supposed to be a meta-commentary on how the GCPD and the law are severely flawed, hypocritical, and ineffective
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I mean that's intriguing information I'll admit
@@douglaspope-gz1eq Jeph Loeb wrote the story by the way
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Frankly i don't know what places like Gotham and Bloodhaven haven't got the death penalty.
I blame the justice system. How a judge doesn't give him the death penalty is beyond me. That or a dirty cop judt offing the guy when he can
@cliffbot638 I think Spectre is more responsible because he has the capability to punish joker but doesn’t because apparently joker is insane, and therefore not responsible
Short Answer: Yes
Long Answer: Gotham courts need to issue the death penalty.
Depends on the version sometimes batman pushes him sometimes joker falls other times he jumps
When you compared the movies to comic book specifically Batman begins because saving a criminal as a clown is one thing now a terrorist trying to destroy Gotham lost the mercy, now when a villains isn’t such a level of threat batman will let them live because he is so crazy that if they die there won’t enough villains to fight.
Keeping Joker alive is where I’d 100% disagree just as much as Red Hood
It's certainly a fair and understandable opinion of yours discussed in this video, and it's something that is talked about at length in other forms of media, but I don't think Batman's responsible for the Joker and his many, many crimes. It's ultimately due to the writers, especially in the past few decades, who have made this such a problem in the stories, where the Joker is more evil than he is mentally ill if we go by realistic standards. But aside from the writers, in the stories themselves, the justice system of Gotham City (and its version of New Jersey or New York in some others) is at fault and responsible for the Joker in my opinion.
I can't say I agree. If we were talking as if Batman was a deputized cop (ala 1960s), then if he can save the Jokers life, he has too. Where he is treated is treated like he is a police asset (BTAS), he should do so to avoid the police turning on him. He ends up in one or the other situation most of the time, and usually, when he doesn't - well, then it might not be possible for him to save the Joker when that time comes.
Really, the only people responsible are the courts and the politicians. At some point, you have to realize that the laws aren't working. Yes, the system is corrupt, but even the corrupt would eventually realize that Joker is also there problem.
No, Gotham is responsible for the Jokers crimes, because they refuse to enforce a freaking death penalty.
This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.
No, Batman is in no way responsible for Joker's crimes.
He saves the Joker because if he can save someone and doesn't, he's responsible for their death.
He believes in the system. It's not Batman's fault that the courts don't toss Joker in Blackgate or give him the death penalty.
Someone needs to gain a basic understanding of Batman, because this video was so off the mark that it hit a planet out in space.
I have a way Batman could get a permanent ending for the Joker find the Indigo tribe of compassion ring and give it to the Joker Linda Joker has compassion and wouldn't want to commit another crime
Technically it Harman told someone that he really hates the joker and then that person kills the joker without out batman finding out then he didn't kill joker meaning that bat man wouldn't be an accomplice
I think comparing it to a Greek tragedy is spot on
Remember when Batman had a "I won't kill you, but I won't save you" vibe going on?
Batman won't go away because there could be someone worse than The Joker if he does
I like your points. I agree that a parent can’t technically be responsible for their offspring’s crime, however this could be arguable if they are in constant proximity to one another on a day to day basis where one’s action continues to influence the other in a negative way.
Yeah, I doubt it would hold up much against the law unless the parent is going around in a bat suit or doing their own crimes, but I think there’s something to be said with a parent whose sole responsibility when raising a child is doing it the way they think is right, and people can funk that right up.
Edit: ohhh I like the comments mentioning the system, governing, and official forces who also have a huge responsibility that is not based on the whim of some traumatized billionaire. Although the government is probably based on bloody colonial beginnings if irl is anything to go by which would explain its failure in the comics and maybe if they delved into how that influences batman more in the writing, then we can come up with a more comprehensive perspective
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If i was batman i would save him until i saved him 4 times then i wouldn't save him again
Honestly fair enough
You know. everybody keeps calling out batman for not killing the joker but what about the GCPD why can't they do it
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Joker can tell the difference Between batman And someone wearing his costume. I think it would be too easy for him to tell if Batman was wearing a different suit. And with Batman's hyperfixation to help people. What is hero complex emparanoia? I doubt he would stay in his cave for long And if joker even got a whiff that batman was wearing a different costume he would like we've all pointed out this man has an obsession
Let's face it people are going to be arguing this question forever
Batman: “All I ever wanted to do is kill him. Not a day goes by that I don’t think about subjecting to every horrendous torture he’s dealt out to others, and then… end him. But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place, I’ll never come back.”
That’s pretty much why Batman won’t kill the Joker. It’s not because he thinks that the killer clown can be cured. It’s because he’s afraid of what he would become if he were to kill the Joker.
Even though you might think it's Batman's fault it's not and here is an example somebody go's into a gun store and purchased a gun and they go commit mass shooting, so would the shooter the responsible or the gun store clerk?!?! Exactly cuz it's a dumb reason cuz the gun store clerk didn't know what was going to happen it was the shooter's responsibility he was the one that pulled the trigger. And the Joker is the one who is responsible for his own crimes not Batman
Did the Gun clerk get the cops to go away? Did the Gun clerk save him from anyone killing the Shooter?
@@SandSLabs what are you even talking about you're missing the point
@@Daverast01 Batman doesn’t need to kill Joker, he just doesn’t need to plead for Joker’s life to the Spectre.
If you ask me, Spectre is more at fault, than the Gotham justice system because according to Spectre, joker is insane, and therefore not responsible for his actions, and therefore shouldn’t be punished
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 And that's why Ghost Rider is the better spirit of Vengeance
@@Daverast01 no it doesn’t work if you’re not guilty, ask punisher and Thanos and black out
I do think you have a few good points but I would also say it’s not entirely Batman fault true he does save him but at the same time the Gotham police/justice system has allowed the joker to keep on living rather then giving him the death sentence like why has that skit from robot chicken not happened yet after all the jokers done.
Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with that statement completely even though it is being said by someone with a starscream icon which I find a little funny if I'm being honest
@StarSteve681 Batman doesn’t need to kill Joker, he just doesn’t need to plead for Joker’s life to the Spectre.
If you ask me, Spectre is more at fault, than the Gotham justice system because according to Spectre, joker is insane, and therefore not responsible for his actions, and therefore shouldn’t be punished
1:01 you can if theyre abusive.
What I can’t understand is why some random thug will be left unable to walk or eat solid food for years at a time after Batman folds his spine like a pretzel, but the crime lords commanding them get a punch to the face and a Batarang to the wrist. Joker wouldn’t be that big a deal if he were paralyzed like the guy he paid to watch a doorway.
I gave up some of the logic years ago. Realistically, Joker would have been killed a hundred times over by anyone in Gorham, the system (even a corrupt one) or some cosmic fate decides to end him. But this is comics, and Joker is just way too popular to die for a long time. Are you guys getting tired of taking this top so seriously?
No wth they have the law and the death penalty in the comics
Batman saves Joker numerous times.
I read somehwere that there was a Teal Lantern Corp that represented Despair. Is this true or no
Batman would never create a villain since his job is to end them
for batman there must be a joker they are different side of the coins they have to exist simultanously if one doesn't exist the other will automatically not exist
I mean that sounds like sound logic to me but it doesn't exactly describe the gravity of the question in my opinion but I partially agree with you though
@@douglaspope-gz1eq joker is overused, though, and so many other Batman villains deserve more significant spotlight
Bro the joker has mental Illness he Go to a asylum
Lmfao Owl Man already exists 😂
What if joker commits a crime and is sentenced to a place where it has the death penalty. What would Batman do then?
No, next
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I think everyone on Both sides has valid points the real question is which perspective do you agree with the most because if one person told batman that he is responsible for everything that joker has done at least partially he wouldn't care and would just ignore it and if another person says that he isn't responsible for what the joker has done he still wouldn't care so in my opinion it just depends on which side is more convincing to you in the end and I find myself to be neutral in this because if i say that Batman isn't responsible for the joker than I'd be ignoring the pain that has been done because Batman is letting it happen because he doesn't see a way that doesn't involve breaking his morals and if I say he is than I'd be disrespectful to Batman he himself stated and i quote "if i go down that dark road I'll never come back" and please note that I'm most likely not quoting that line correctly so please correct me if I'm wrong
Até the beginning, no, but as the situation continue he became responsible. Batman is not a sane person, and you all know that
He may or may not be responsoble for The Joker, but Batman are enabling them. (By not giving The Joker a permanent ending)
That’s more so Gothams justice system fault for not giving the joker a death sentence after all Batman is not the judge jury or executioner
Which is why if Ghost Rider were to show up in Gotham City and had the Dark Knight in his grip, he would certainly mention that by letting the Joker live to spill the blood of the innocent, - though some wouldn't be 100% innocent -, Batman's just as guilty as he's basically the clown's accomplice.
Batman's job is to save people and stop criminals. He shouldn't choose who lives and who dies.
@@matti.8465 Yet he's letting the Joker keep on killing people, which makes him just as guilty since he might as well be killing the people he's trying to save.
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I think he is more of an enabler
Valid
I blame Gotham just get rid of him he is why dp exists
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Hmm after watching the video I came to the same conclusion 🤔
And honestly that's a fair conclusion but riddle me this (is it really ok to just let a criminal die without publicly giving them proper justice for the family of their victims?) food for thought and if you still have the same conclusion after thinking about it then that's ok and I respect your opinion I'm just trying to make sure you are at least considering both sides of the discussion
@@douglaspope-gz1eq hmm I get what you are but usually wouldn't the family of a victim want justice for the lost loved one which is usually death sentence 🤔 I wasn't talking about those falsely accused which Joker definitely would be guilty in a fair court of law after his numerous actions 🤔
@@TomMcD71 I was just making sure you understood the conversation fully is all if you still feel the same than I respect that
Batman is 100% responsible for all of Joker's crimes because of him not killing him. It's the villain where its 100% morally right for him to kill him and every single person dead because of The Joker is on Batman's head. He chose to keep him alive, he chose to distinctly stop other people from killing him in many scenarios, and he doesn't even dedicate him to stopping Joker in another way that isn't killing him. The Joker IS Batman's responsability.
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Yes he was responsible. i mean if it wasn’t for him he would’ve never been scared Batman created the worst supervillains to the point where if he hadn’t existed Gotham would’ve honestly been safer
Not his job to kill them, that's Gotham's bib
Batman didn’t create any of his villains. They were all well along their way to becoming who they are without him. Batman is literally their scapegoat, a convenient way to pin all of their own flaws and fault upon to try to avoid responsibility for their own actions
@@DJGaming-q5c I agree with everyone who has replied within the last 7 hours Batman doesn't create his villains they created themselves
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1. The Joker
• Backstory: Often depicted as a criminal who fell into a vat of chemicals, the Joker’s entire existence revolves around his chaotic relationship with Batman. Different versions imply that the Joker wouldn’t even be the Joker without Batman’s interference or existence.
2. Two-Face (Harvey Dent)
• Backstory: Batman’s inability to save Gotham’s District Attorney, Harvey Dent, from being scarred led to his transformation into the villain, Two-Face. Batman’s failure to protect him is often a driving point in Dent’s vendetta against the Dark Knight.
3. Bane
• Backstory: Bane specifically trained and enhanced himself to destroy Batman. His drive to become Gotham’s kingpin was largely due to his obsession with Batman as the ultimate adversary.
4. Hush (Thomas Elliot)
• Backstory: Thomas Elliot, a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne, becomes Hush. His hatred towards Bruce stems from his envy of Bruce’s life and success, essentially being driven to villainy because of Bruce/Batman.
5. The Riddler (Edward Nygma)
• Backstory: Riddler’s obsession with proving his intellectual superiority often focuses on Batman. Without Batman’s role as Gotham’s “World’s Greatest Detective,” Riddler’s compulsions wouldn’t have such a direct target.
6. Scarecrow (Jonathan Crane)
• Backstory: While Batman didn’t create Crane, his presence as Gotham’s masked fear brought out Crane’s fascination with fear to new heights, spurring his villainous obsession.
7. The Penguin (Oswald Cobblepot)
• Backstory: Oswald Cobblepot, often a corrupt businessman, sees Batman as an obstacle to his criminal empire. Penguin’s rise in Gotham’s underworld is shaped by his opposition to Batman.
8. The Red Hood (Jason Todd)
• Backstory: Jason Todd, a former Robin, becomes the Red Hood after being killed and resurrected, blaming Batman for his death and abandonment. His existence as a villain is deeply tied to Batman’s choices.
9. Harley Quinn
• Backstory: Initially a psychiatrist at Arkham, Dr. Harleen Quinzel fell in love with the Joker while treating him. Batman’s interactions with the Joker and his constant confrontations indirectly led to Harley’s transformation.
10. The Phantasm (Andrea Beaumont)
• Backstory: In Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Andrea becomes a vigilante villain due to the loss of her father, which indirectly stems from the crime-ridden Gotham that Batman failed to clean up in time.
11. Victor Zsasz
• Backstory: While Batman didn’t cause Zsasz’s transformation, the psychological tension in Gotham and Batman’s presence perpetuated his need to mark kills, emphasizing the connection between Gotham’s chaos and its influence on its inhabitants.
12. The Mad Hatter (Jervis Tetch)
• Backstory: Jervis Tetch’s descent into madness, through his obsession with controlling others (via mind control), often fixates on Batman as a symbol of authority, spurring his villainy.
13. Mr. Freeze (Victor Fries)
• Backstory: Batman’s inability to help Victor save his wife, Nora, in some versions, drives Freeze’s vendetta against Gotham and, more specifically, Batman, who represents Gotham’s law and order.
14. Black Mask (Roman Sionis)
• Backstory: Roman Sionis was another wealthy Gothamite whose life was ruined due to his obsession with Bruce Wayne. His hatred for Bruce’s dual identity as Batman fuels his criminal activities.
15. The Court of Owls
• Backstory: A secret society that views Batman as a threat to their centuries-long control of Gotham. Batman’s vigilantism stirs them from the shadows, leading to direct conflict.
Each of these villains, whether they were psychologically broken by Batman’s actions, had their plans ruined, or simply became obsessed with Gotham’s protector, exist because of Batman’s presence in Gotham. Some of them would never have transformed without Batman’s indirect or direct involvement.
yes He’s responsible for every supervillain he doesn’t kill
But Batman doesn't kill and he doesn't give up even when it seems hopeless that's the point of Batman that's the point of his symbol a man who sees the best in people even when it seems like it isn't there to say that Batman should kill his rogues gallery is to go against everything he stands for everything and everyone the Batman represents while I will let you have your opinion and let you say that you think he's responsible for the joker specifically I do not appreciate you spitting on Batman's legacy so viciously
So basically every supervillain?
@@thesurvivlist5440
Everyone in Gotham yeah I would excuse Batman for two face since it’s hard to kill an old friend and penguin in some versions were they grew up together but besides that Batman has no excuse to not end them and Batman DOES NOT have the moral high ground by not killing them quite the opposite actually red hood is basically right
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That’s just cope Batman is clearly wrong it’s ok to admit that you can still be a Batman fan and enjoy him as a character and admit that his morality doesn’t make any sense and it’s wrong
@@Mohamad-m7md I just think you are completely missing the point of the character is all and I stand firmly on that I have nothing against the concept that Batman might be at least partially responsible for some of their actions to an extent but to say that Batman should kill is insulting in my opinion if he kills Bruce is no longer the Batman he's just another monster lurking in Gotham like the rest of his rogues gallery we've seen the horror that happens with a Batman who kills I mean just look at owl man his most direct evil counter part or even the Batman who laughs those are Batmans who are willing to kill and their complete fucking psychopathic monsters Batman himself acknowledges that if he goes down that route he'll never be the same and he'll become just like them but I suppose that's just my opinion and the concept of hope is inherently meaningless by definition
Throw joker into a simulator of Gotham were none of his actions or choices matters and there no batman and it will keep looping.