Compare: Mazzer Mini Electronic A/B to Ceado E37J Espresso Coffee Grinders
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- In-depth Review and comparison of the Mazzer Mini Electronic A and B models to the Ceado E37J. Marc from WholeLatteLove.com tests the performance of these similarly priced prosumer level espresso coffee grinders. We'll take a look at real world use including noise levels, grinding speed and dose consistency, ease of use and maintenance and innovative features. Plus, get Marc's opinion on which grinder is a better buy.
Ceado E37J:
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Mazzer Mini Electronic A:
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Mazzer Mini Electronic B:
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Hi! I was well down the track of putting my card down on the Mazzer Mini Electronic A to replace an Anfim 'best home grinder' dosing flat grinder for home use. At the last moment I thought to also check TH-cam reviews before committing to the purchase here in Aus when I came across this comparison. Now obviously WLL sell the Ceado, so one could expect the comparison to come out in favour of the Ceado. However the technical advantages as soberly presented by Marc were solidly in favour of the Ceado, not least of all the easy cleaning without recalibration of the grind settings. This video changed my mind and so it was that I purchased the Ceado E37J. As I am in Australia I purchased through an Australian Ceado representative. 2 days later it was with me - the new model with the touch screen interface - and I am ecstatic with this unit!
The E37J is a solid and beautifully designed machine for home:
- accurate
- quiet (compared to the Anfim)
- zero mess, no fuss
Dialing it in was a breeze - the factory setting produced 18g straight up for a double. Now, of course I did adjust the grind and time slightly according to the brew, but it was minor. The machine was already 90% there, so clearly the factory (it came straight from Italy) had given it a check and calibration before sending.
I don't mean to sound like a fanboy, and I am not paid by Ceado or a retailer of their equipment, I am simply genuinely delighted by this excellent piece of equipment.
Thank you Marc and WLL for this video - without it I would not have gone to the trouble to track this wonderful machine down. You have made a difference to my morning coffee ritual!
Hi InSalinity, Thanks for sharing your detailed insights and for the kind comment! Ceado makes excellent equipment. Here at WLL we sell both the Ceado and Mazzer grinders. I've used both extensively and in my experience I prefer the Ceado over the Mini A. Owing to a more recent design, the Ceado is more user friendly. At the end of the day the 2 grinders produce a similar grind quality but the Ceado is much easier to adjust and clean.Marc
They sell both of them. Your saying about being in favour of the Ceado is completely false. It really is a better machine from an actually innovative company. Mazzer got lazy.
@@ctgaming168 So true. But for aesthetic, I think mazzer wins because it really looks cool. But again, we have to make really wise purchase decision in the end, so beautiful aesthetic alone doesn't cut it.
@@dwikafebrianto3016 To me a grinder is supposed to grind coffee. I would never care if it look 100 times worse than the Ceado. The performance is just a way better judgement to purchase a grinder in my opinion. To me a grinder is not a car or sth to show off to anybody.
@@ctgaming168 Exactly, & how anyone could say the Mazzer Mini looks better, I'll never know. 👍🇦🇺
Another great video! One thing I particularly love about WLL videos, is that you do not hold back on the criticisms of various products and actually give a *conclusion*. So many other videos end with "its up to you, they are both good", but as a consumer with limited ability to test these products first hand, I rely on the pros to extract strong data and reach meaningful conclusions. In short, THANK YOU!
Hi Phillip, You're welcome and THANK YOU for the detailed comment. I'm lucky to have free reign to devote as much time as needed for thorough evaluation and testing. I've used the Mazzer grinders for years as well as other Ceados. Even with all that experience I spent the better part of 3 days working with and testing these grinders side by side before shooting the video.
The time spent is well reflected in the video! When I upgrade to the prosumer level I will definitely be paying WLL a visit for the E37S and an ECM Synchronika. I cannot wait :)
Love these technical reviews. No one else on TH-cam gives you this much info on the single most important piece of coffee equipment.
The Ceado is great. If I didn't already have a Eureka Atom, I would be adding it to my short list.
Hi Christopher, Thanks for the comment! We try to be as thorough as possible, do testing and report the results.
Marc
Love my E37J! I was hesitant to drop this kind of money for a grinder, but after receiving it, I can see the expense is justified. It grinds effortlessly. I'm sure my kids will fight over it after I'm long gone. ;)
Hi Scott, Thanks for the comment. Definitely a grinder that will go for generations!
Good and instructive video. I now understand the advantages of the Ceado vs. the Mazzer Mini Electronic A that I own since 13 years.
Glad it was helpful!
Agree great very well done and informative
Great review WLL! Love my Ceado E37S from WLL!
Hi TD, Thanks for the comment. The E37S is a beast and without question our favorite grinder for the $$.
The gumming up of the threads on the Mazzer is the secret ingredient to holding the upper burr still... ;)
Hi TT, hahaha - so it's a feature :)
In Indonesia, E37J is twice as much as Mazzer Mini A :(
That's why I think it's not an apple to apple product comparison. In the end of the day, I bought a Mazzer Mini A. To me twice as much the price is not worth enough to get:
- Slightly quieter
- Slightly faster grind speed
- Slightly less clump
- Being able to not to recalibrate each time I clean up / change the burr
I'm very happy with it. It's a good value for the money indeed.
Hey KAT, Thanks for sharing!
Marc
Nobody has seemed to mention the ginormous footprint of the Ceado grinder compared to the Mazzer. When your counter space is limited, that needs to be a consideration. Good review of them both other than that. Oh, any BTW, the Nuova Simonelli MDX has a fixed upper burr as well like the Ceado, and offers micro changes to grind settings.
Hi m, Thanks for the comment! Size is of course a consideration.
The prices are at least here in Germany but not the same! The Ceado costs 1070€ and the Mazzer mini version B costs 695€! Thats a big difference and gives a different view! I find it difficult to imagine that this should not be the case in other countries, even though the video is from 2017. Greetings . . . .
Nice video! One thing that is important to note is that one can mod the Mazzer Mini to improve its grind quality (i.e. eliminate clumping) by removing the static grid and mounting a small air pump aimed at where the coffee comes out of the burr chamber. I don't know whether a similar mod is possible on the Ceado because it does not have the funnel.
Hi Guy, Thanks for the comment. Not familiar with the air pump mod. Like an aquarium type pump?
I suppose pump isn't the right word: basically a fan that funnels into a small tube aimed at the opening.
Guy Numbers I was thinking of swapping my Mazzer Mini A for a Ceado because, with its chute design, it looked like it'd retain less grounds. I removed the antistatic mesh and hopper a long time ago. I scoop 20g of beans out of my Airscape container drop them into the grinder neck, and run the grinder until all beans are ground. Then I brush the bean remnants that get stuck on the hopper screw hole ledges in the grinder neck, run the grinder again, lift the control panel lid and scrape out the remaining grounds that get stuck on the ledge behind where the antistatic mesh used to live. Finally, I run the grinder again and scrape out the grounds. It would've been so much nicer had Mazzer designed that ledge on an angle, but I guess their main market for the grinder is not OCD people like me who only pull one or two shots a day (on my PID-modded Isomac Zaffiro). Thanks for the informative video!
Hey Marc loving those Ceado grinders and your videos but one of your previous vids draws me to the E37S. It would be a huge step up from the Rocky I got from you guys last year, even though I'm a little worried about it being to much grinder for just one person in the house. Although if I didn't I would probably get the dreaded upgraditis next year or so. I do have a question though. I keep seeing in forums about flat vs conical and it seems there is no right answer or anything that actually tells which one is better for espresso. Could you provide some insight on that, or even better maybe a video. Keep those vids coming!
Hi Dylan, Thanks for the comment and question. The E37S is a lot of grinder and a huge upgrade from a Rocky. Is it too much for one person? Well, with an S on your counter you will never question the quality of your grind. IMO bigger burrs are better and the 83mm in the S are bigger. I can totally relate to the "upgraditis"! I'm into cycling and recently got a new bike. I had a choice between 2 models from the same manufacturer. One about $250 more than the other. The more expensive model had upgrades like carbon fiber front forks, slightly narrower tire, extra gear on rear cassette, better derailleur and hand grips. I agonized over the decision for a week. It came down to doing some math. I spend about 250 hours a season on the bike so about a $1/hr - and I'll likely ride it for a few years. Amortizing the cost it's maybe 25 cents an hour. I'm a couple weeks into riding the new bike and that 25 cents is definitely worth it for something I love! I would have regretted going with the lesser model every time I rode it. I'm not trying to talk you into the S. As with most things as you get to the high-end price to performance improvements flatten out.
As to the flat v. conical... There are many opinions and for the most part they are subjective. It's rather like a PC v. Mac debate. Some say conical produce a fluffier grind faster etc. Short of doing a super expensive grind particle analysis that shows a more consistent particle size with one I don't think there's an easy answer. Even if you did get a result with one more consistent than the other who's to say a slightly less consistent particle size might not benefit the extraction characteristics of a given bean? In the end I think the variety of opinions is based in the fact that it's incredibly difficult to come to a data driven conclusion - it's very subjective and besides grind quality there are a ton of other difficult to control variables that effect finished shot quality so side by side comparison is difficult at best. I will say this... there are respected high-end grinders as well as many budget grinders using conical burrs. We don't sell many high-end grinders with conical burrs. Flat burr grinders are far more popular in the prosumer level market.
I'd be interested in some subjective taste tests between grinders. It was evident to me that a Fiorenzato F80 did not produce as nice tasting a shot as my current Mazzer Super Jolly.
I'm looking to change grinder (its a minefield) and would like a consistent, low rentention, on demand grinder. I like the Ceados but if one of these is unlikely to produce a better shot than a well maintained super jolly, then it may not be worth it to me.
Hi Marc! Thank you for another great video. In your opinion, how E37J compares to Profitec Pro T64? I'm looking for a prosumer-level grinder to match Rocket Mozzafiato R.
Thanks again.
Dmitriy Isayev +1!!!
Good question, I just bought the Ceado e37J narrowly choosing over Mazzer super jolly and profitec Pro t64.
The floating top burr springs may just save the burrs if a stone enters the grinding chamber, right?
Hi Anson, Well... Not something I've tried. Think probably not.
Marc
Hi Marc, Great video and always in-depth!-In comparison, the Ceado is a beast! and i like the idea that you dont have to recalibrate after cleaning..I have the Titan 64 smaller burrs in comparison but i did buy the appliance for aesthetic reasons to match with my Synchronika..If we were to measure the pros n cons between these 2 grinders i think i know which one i would pick!!..?(winks)
Hi J, Thanks for the comment. I do like Ceado grinders. I'd probably take an E37S over the Titan. But if it's a choice between pairing the Synchronika with Titan or an E37J I'd probably go with the Titan as you have. There's something to be said for the aesthetic! Also the Titan and the E37J actually have the same burr size at 64mm. It's the E37S with the larger 83mm burrs.
Marc
Would love to see a similar comparison between Ceado E37J and ECM Titan 64 as these two are both part of package options you have with ECM Synchronika. Or should the Synchronika be paired with the E37s?
Hi JC, Thanks for the suggestion. You can't go wrong with the E37S. It's an extremely low retention grinder, has larger 83mm burrs and is very accurate. The E37S is our favorite grinder for the price. That said, some will pair the Titan with the Synchronika for aesthetic reasons. They are an impressive looking pair!
Hello Whole Latte Love :-)
I'm thinking about buying a Ceado coffee grinder. Are you able to tell me the difference in the quality of grinding the E5P and E37J mills? E37J is more expensive because of better materials and technology. Is the only reason?
Will the coffee have a comparable quality of grinding? Greetings from Poland, Bartosz :-)
Hi A, Thanks for the question. 64mm burr size is the same for both grinders. What the E37J has that the E5P does not: Hands free grinding, timed grinding presets, assembly that allows for easy burr removal and grinding chamber access without loosing grind setting/calibration, grind start switch that works with bottomless portafilters, exterior is all metal - on the E5P the size adjustment collar, PF cradle and bottom housing area are plastic.
Hello, do you have a video about only high end grinders?
Hi Stelea, Yes we do here's one that's about as high-end as it gets on the Ceado E37Z Hero grinder: th-cam.com/video/CC2YSZH-4ig/w-d-xo.html Do search our channel for other you might be interested in.
So I recently upgraded my expobar to the ECM synchronika and I thought I should also look into upgrading my also 12 year old Mazzer Mini Type A, but after looking at this review I just dont think its necessary, I mean, my mazzer is still going and feels as new, never had a single problem, so happy in a way, but at the same time a bit disappointed, weird
Hey Alex, Thanks for sharing! If it works for you no reason change IMO.
Marc
A great grinder comparison. Too Bad I can’t afford one and enjoy my daily espresso dose without issues.
Hi Ruben, Your comment is appreciated! Thank you!
I think I'll stick with my K30 Air!
Hi Jose, K30 is a fine grinder! Are you using it commercially? With same burr size as Mazzer and Ceado it should produce a similar grind quality. K30 main advantages are motor power, speed and a duty cycle more suited to high volume commercial use. Of course it sells for about 1.5X price of the Mazzers and Ceado. At that price, I might choose the Ceado E37S (big brother to the J model in this video) for prosumer level home use. It has a larger 83mm burr set, low .5g grind retention, excellent dosing accuracy of ~.2g variation for 17g dose and grinds at ~5g/sec.
Whole Latte Love the Ceado E model is pretty impressive. I do have a coupe of K30 air's, they get used commercially but at the same time I have one on my kitchen counter next to my Profitec 700. It is a bit overkill for home use, but considering the J model to replace it in the future and keep the 30s for comercial use only. Great video!
That's a lot of airs! Thanks for the comments!!!
Hi, in my opinion you can't compare these grinders.
Mazzer Mini Electronic A has a price in Europe abozt 650 Euro and the Ceado about 1000.
The Mazzer Mini Electronic A is one of the most sold grinders and the company is one of the best for coffee grinders.
Nevertheless, the video is nice but the for European people Mazzer is the best choise.
Hi Mathias, Thanks for sharing your opinion. In US price is much closer. E37J is less than the Mazzer. I know Mazzer grinders have been popular in EU for a long time. Honestly, Mini A design has been stagnant for many years. It's the burr adjustment with exposed threads and the top burr resting on those 3 springs that drives me nuts. Exposed threads get gummed up with coffee dust/oils and adjustment gets difficult. Ceado threads are isolated and top burr removes with no loss of grind setting or need to clean threads.
Marc
In summary, no matter which grinder you guys compare, whole latte love makes ceado win,is this coincidental they are the major retailer promoting it? If so, too bad, I like them and their videos but I see the obvious bias in their” objective “ comparisons. Just my two cents.
Hi LD, Thanks for the comment sharing your opinion. My opinions are not influenced in any way by Ceado. If through my evaluation I believe one product is better than another I will say as much. I've used Mazzer and Ceado grinders for nearly a decade. Over those years Ceado has continued to innovate while Mazzer has remained essentially the same.
Marc
I wonder what happened for you to be so biased against mazzer, your videos with mazzer grinders are quite a joke. I guess the distributor or importer didn't give you the price you wanted, right? You can use a mazzer for 30 years straight, never ever lost a grind setting, ever. never had any issue with coffee grinds doing anything strange. For each ceado grinder sold, there are 10 mazzer sold, so who knows what is the actual reliability of the ceado. Horrible video guys.
Hi Exodus, Thanks for sharing your opinion. I've used both, cleaned and calibrated both and I find the Ceado grinders much easier to clean, calibrate and adjust. I have no problem with the grind out of a Mazzer. It's when you take it apart and have the adjustment threads caked in coffee dust and oils that I get peeved. Can't tell you how many times I've sucked up one of the little springs which the top burr carrier rides on with a vacuum. Many Mazzer grinders have not changed in basic design for a decade or more - nothing wrong with that I guess. But in the meantime other grinder manufacturers have continued to innovate and create grinders that IMO are more user friendly. I really like the design of the Ceado models where it's 3 screws to get into the grinding chamber and you can do so with no loss of calibration. You'll find that on some Eureka grinders as well.
Marc