I was hoping these would be an upgrade on my slim fits. Armalith comes in three abrasion grades of A-45, AA-70 and AAA-120Km/h. Knowing which grade is used in each style and how it compares to 1.2mm cowhide would be proper useful in addition to the dubious new A ratings. 1.2mm cowhide has been proven to just scuff after several track slides by MCN and survived 5+ seconds on a Cambridge machine. Rokkertechs survived 2+ seconds on the same machine, totally adequate for road use in my opinion but clear facts would be so very useful for informed choice innit!
These jeans were tested by SATRA on a Cambridge machine and scored a slide time of 6.96 seconds, hence our assertion that they are stronger than leather.
@@Motolegends with a 60 grit belt? That's what would be likely to give a relative abrasion time of around four to five seconds for leather on a Cambridge machine.
@@Motolegends It would be good to have a proper rebuttal/reply to the Bennetts BikeSocial video which clearly asserts that both leather and double layer jeans have a superior slide time to any single layer jeans, Rokker's included. Not least because I think both content channels represent the best in the sector and I think you both champion high quality information, transparency and push for what's best for us bikers. I for one buy my gear at Motolegends and my bike insurance from Bennetts! 😁 Also, why do single layer jeans need to be MORE abrasion protective to justify being on every biker's summer shopping list? Surely just being in the same ballpark is a fine achievement given no-one would contest how much more comfortable and wearable they are? That's a more than acceptable trade off isn't it? The winner here can only be the consumer and hopefully, in the mid term, we might get yet clearer standards out of this. Even the newish A/AA/AAA standards can be misleading it seems.
@@AyoHues That might not be possible, certainly not on the Bennetts video thread because if you post a comment on that thread that questions their findings, they remove it. Here is a comment I posted on the Bennetts thread, they removed it because "it incited hatred": "Some of your statements, whether made with the best intentions or not, are scientifically incorrect. The Cambridge machine is most certainly not a more realistic example of a bad crash on the grippiest surface. When you come off a bike and begin to slide, you immediately begin to decelerate. The rate of deceleration will be determined by the coefficient of friction of what is sliding, which in this case is the material from which the jeans are made. The Cambridge machine does not in any way take this into account, the velocity is kept constant. This is not what happens in a crash, you do not slide forever, hence your assertion that "the Cambridge machine is a more realistic example of a bad crash on the grippiest surface" is false. The Darmstadt test however, drops the jeans at a set speed, and they then decelerate until they stop, and then the damage is assessed to see if they pass. Which is far more similar to what happens in a crash. Put another way, a very weak material soaked in a highly technical lubricant could well have a better slide time on the Cambridge machine than a motorcycle jean, be that a single layer jean or a lined one. The problem we have here is that we have a journalist hungry for clicks going up against a marketeer desparate for sales, both trying to simplify a highly technical and scientific subject when it is not really appropriate to do so."
Not sure it's good practice to say all other manufacturers jeans are of poor quality compared to the Rokker.Not an unbiased opinion so really this video is just Chris in sales b/s mode
I understood this the orther way: Others are good, Rokker are better. But it‘s hard to argue what is better. The combination of comfort, style and protection makes Rokker very good.
Never tried Rokker, but recently tried the new Roadskin Taranis jeans, Triple A, with D30 armour @ £180.00, and it was really impressive the fit and comfort. I wonder how these two would compare.
Got a pair for Xmas, I've worn them all the time since. Compared with the rockertech jeans they are so comfortable, I wear them all the time. A motorcycle garment you actually get your monies worth. I would buy another pair.
Jeans are great but after wearing they do crease and colour fades on the creasing behind the knee - checked with Motolegends and this is how they are. Appreciate that they are not fashion items but worth being aware of. Doesn't distract from the overall quality fo the jeans.
👋 hi ! ... it still does appear to be a struggle to find jeans for the larger lady, who is vertically challenged 🤷🏻♀️ recent struggles to find summer riding gear, has proved a frustrating problem so far
We manage to fit jeans to a lot of larger, vertically-challenged ladies. We are probably your best bet, especially as we do lots of custom fitting. Very rarely do we fail, although just occasionally the challenge is too much, even for us!
Firstly there are four leg lengths so each leg length will have different knee armour to reflect that. Secondly the pocket the knee armour sits in has an adjustment of about 3inches. So you can put at the top of the pocket or have the flexibility to lower by about 3 inches be not tightening the Velcro.it’s very simple but very easy!
Will definitely fit over the Rokker boots. We have many people wearing that combination. Not sure on a cowboy boot. That’s going to depend somewhat on you boot!
We do the Rokker tapered slim in black. It is very similar but slightly more tapered at the ankle. It is also a faded black so may not be what you are after. www.motolegends.com/motorcycle-jeans/rokker/rokker-rokkertech-tapered-slim-jeans-in-black.html I believe they are coming in true black for 2023.
Evening Chris, I have to say that this is one of the finest videos on motorcycle clothing I’ve ever watched and listened too. You knowledge and passion leap from the screen and make me want to buy a pair of these jeans. I have quite well developed calf muscles so these will be ideal. The price is fair enough for the top notch product that it is. Thank you for putting so much effort in to what you do 🙏
I was hoping these would be an upgrade on my slim fits. Armalith comes in three abrasion grades of A-45, AA-70 and AAA-120Km/h. Knowing which grade is used in each style and how it compares to 1.2mm cowhide would be proper useful in addition to the dubious new A ratings. 1.2mm cowhide has been proven to just scuff after several track slides by MCN and survived 5+ seconds on a Cambridge machine. Rokkertechs survived 2+ seconds on the same machine, totally adequate for road use in my opinion but clear facts would be so very useful for informed choice innit!
These jeans were tested by SATRA on a Cambridge machine and scored a slide time of 6.96 seconds, hence our assertion that they are stronger than leather.
@@Motolegends Time to test 1.2mm cowhide on the same machine for a meaningful comparison then?
@@Motolegends with a 60 grit belt? That's what would be likely to give a relative abrasion time of around four to five seconds for leather on a Cambridge machine.
@@Motolegends It would be good to have a proper rebuttal/reply to the Bennetts BikeSocial video which clearly asserts that both leather and double layer jeans have a superior slide time to any single layer jeans, Rokker's included. Not least because I think both content channels represent the best in the sector and I think you both champion high quality information, transparency and push for what's best for us bikers. I for one buy my gear at Motolegends and my bike insurance from Bennetts! 😁
Also, why do single layer jeans need to be MORE abrasion protective to justify being on every biker's summer shopping list? Surely just being in the same ballpark is a fine achievement given no-one would contest how much more comfortable and wearable they are? That's a more than acceptable trade off isn't it?
The winner here can only be the consumer and hopefully, in the mid term, we might get yet clearer standards out of this. Even the newish A/AA/AAA standards can be misleading it seems.
@@AyoHues That might not be possible, certainly not on the Bennetts video thread because if you post a comment on that thread that questions their findings, they remove it. Here is a comment I posted on the Bennetts thread, they removed it because "it incited hatred":
"Some of your statements, whether made with the best intentions or not, are scientifically incorrect. The Cambridge machine is most certainly not a more realistic example of a bad crash on the grippiest surface. When you come off a bike and begin to slide, you immediately begin to decelerate. The rate of deceleration will be determined by the coefficient of friction of what is sliding, which in this case is the material from which the jeans are made. The Cambridge machine does not in any way take this into account, the velocity is kept constant. This is not what happens in a crash, you do not slide forever, hence your assertion that "the Cambridge machine is a more realistic example of a bad crash on the grippiest surface" is false. The Darmstadt test however, drops the jeans at a set speed, and they then decelerate until they stop, and then the damage is assessed to see if they pass. Which is far more similar to what happens in a crash. Put another way, a very weak material soaked in a highly technical lubricant could well have a better slide time on the Cambridge machine than a motorcycle jean, be that a single layer jean or a lined one. The problem we have here is that we have a journalist hungry for clicks going up against a marketeer desparate for sales, both trying to simplify a highly technical and scientific subject when it is not really appropriate to do so."
Not sure it's good practice to say all other manufacturers jeans are of poor quality compared to the Rokker.Not an unbiased opinion so really this video is just Chris in sales b/s mode
I understood this the orther way: Others are good, Rokker are better. But it‘s hard to argue what is better. The combination of comfort, style and protection makes Rokker very good.
Never tried Rokker, but recently tried the new Roadskin Taranis jeans, Triple A, with D30 armour @ £180.00, and it was really impressive the fit and comfort. I wonder how these two would compare.
There is no comparison. Those jeans are 100% lined, heavy and hot. These jeans are indistinguishable from a pair of Levi’s. Chalk and cheese!
@@Motolegends thanks! 👍
Got a pair for Xmas, I've worn them all the time since. Compared with the rockertech jeans they are so comfortable, I wear them all the time. A motorcycle garment you actually get your monies worth. I would buy another pair.
Jeans are great but after wearing they do crease and colour fades on the creasing behind the knee - checked with Motolegends and this is how they are. Appreciate that they are not fashion items but worth being aware of. Doesn't distract from the overall quality fo the jeans.
👋 hi ! ... it still does appear to be a struggle to find jeans for the larger lady, who is vertically challenged 🤷🏻♀️ recent struggles to find summer riding gear, has proved a frustrating problem so far
We manage to fit jeans to a lot of larger, vertically-challenged ladies. We are probably your best bet, especially as we do lots of custom fitting. Very rarely do we fail, although just occasionally the challenge is too much, even for us!
Can you please explain how the knee armour is adjusted and to what degree- the video unfortunately doesn’t mention it at all.
Firstly there are four leg lengths so each leg length will have different knee armour to reflect that. Secondly the pocket the knee armour sits in has an adjustment of about 3inches. So you can put at the top of the pocket or have the flexibility to lower by about 3 inches be not tightening the Velcro.it’s very simple but very easy!
Does the black BMW motorcycle actually run? Or is it just for show? Looks nice.
I' d like to know that, as well
It was very much a runner although not for a few years. Don’t think it would take much to get it back on the road.
@@Motolegends what r u waiting for? Just do it
Hi. Just ordered a pair. My Resurgence pair which I got from you years ago are too hot for the summer here in Germany
Looks like another winner
Excellent review. Many thanks.
Hi will the shop be open tomorrow and all the other Sundays for the breakfast meet up
Hi David, the shop will be closed on all Breakfast Meet Sunday’s. ML
Can these jeans be made to attach to my Alpinestars jacket 🧥👍
If you have the bottom half of your Alpinestars zip then we can make a specific waist belt based on the Halvarssons waist belt.
Will these fit the rokker boots or cowboy boots?
Will definitely fit over the Rokker boots. We have many people wearing that combination. Not sure on a cowboy boot. That’s going to depend somewhat on you boot!
Do these come in black ?
We do the Rokker tapered slim in black. It is very similar but slightly more tapered at the ankle. It is also a faded black so may not be what you are after.
www.motolegends.com/motorcycle-jeans/rokker/rokker-rokkertech-tapered-slim-jeans-in-black.html
I believe they are coming in true black for 2023.
Probably a good jean but no smaller sizes ie 30, 31waist with 30 inside leg.
Evening Chris, I have to say that this is one of the finest videos on motorcycle clothing I’ve ever watched and listened too. You knowledge and passion leap from the screen and make me want to buy a pair of these jeans. I have quite well developed calf muscles so these will be ideal. The price is fair enough for the top notch product that it is. Thank you for putting so much effort in to what you do 🙏
I take it they don't come in black?
I would have bought a pair if they had. Why don’t you look at the camera?
I do look at the camera. There;s a second camera for a different angle, although I am not always taken by the result. We’ll look at it. CC
@@Motolegends not available in black?
ROK1071 (The black variation).
@@rossmunro277 thanks, thats the tapered slim ones though.