This was a good video. I crashed wearing a pair of john doe single layer jeans (AAA) at around 50km/h (31mph) surprisingly the fabric remained completely intact and didn't wear through anywhere, I say surprisingly as they really do feel as though they're not protective. I wish they would include a thin silky mesh liner in the future, I didn't sustain any friction burn but I'm aware with more slide time it's a realistic possibility. fwiw this was on an Australian road surface, not the most course surface I've ever seen here, but still chip seal afaik. Also the armor pockets in the knees and hips are actually made out of the same single layer material as the jeans, so in those limited spots at least, I guess it's sort of an extra layer, kind of... Also great to see MotoCap get a shout out, they do really great work, unfortunately they don't test nearly enough products though because they're massively underfunded
18:07 I think you mean to say skin shear injury. This is where the fabric of a piece of clothing grips the skin while its being moved relative to the body which causes the skin to delaminate. Multiple layers help alleviate this as the outer layer that grips to the road can slip on the secondary layer rather than your skin. Of course this all depends on how slippery the layers are wrt each other and your skin and how much give there is in both layers.
I think this is the best review oh this topic! Amazing work! Thanks! At the end of the day, keeping in mind the protective features, for summer riding would you suggest to buy this Spidi or do you think there are any (more protective) multiple layer jeans that could perform as well as for breathabilty and airflow? P.S. sorry for my bad english
Hi, I think it depends on your heat tolerance & climate. Rev’it multilayer jeans with their PWR|Shield reinforcements are pretty good, but they keep reducing the models that offer that. Fuel has some new interesting single layer offerings as welll.
I was just wondering what size leg you had on the PMJ? I am a similar build to you, I am also a 32" waist but have no problem with the armour position because I chosethe 34" leg size.
I had the 32x32. They would've been way too long for me in a 34. I find that most Moto jeans/pants that are slim fitting and cut without a gusset pull inboard on me once I'm on the bike. I have pretty beefy thighs and calves for my waist size, which adds stress.
Revit offers a number of jeans in a short inseam, but that’s only going to be 30” probably. You may need to look at jeans with adjustable armor and have them hemmed.
I have ordered a pair of PMJ Deux - not sure about the armour, I may change for ghost Level 2 once they arrive. Our climate is a little colder in 🏴
Interesting. I’m considering the Spidi J-Dyneema jeans but would have to order them online. And I’d like to get it right the first time. If I wear a size 34 Klim K52, what size would I be in the Spidi? 34 or 36?
@@cblais19 that would be nice but I only see 34 and 36 as available. I’ve asked a couple places to measure but they both pointed to the sizing chart. No dealer near me so…
Both are very good. I think the John Doe has a bit better flow at the armor points, especially if you put something like D3O Ghost in there, but the fabric of the Spidi has a higher overall potential. I wear the Spidi’s over a pair of armored leggings and they’re fantastic.
@@cblais19 What do you mean by potential? Protection at higher speed? How well does the soft sas-tech armor hold up in the knees of the JD jeans? Which conforms better to your knee, the sas-tech or level 1 ghost? Which do you think would hold better and not shift in the event of a slide?
@@danielg9657 Yes. Some of this is going to be personal preference & shape. I don’t own the JD any more and can’t speak to how the SasTec tripleflex pads fit. However the Ghost is a bit more conforming due to how the pad is held together.
@@cblais19 One more question about sizing. You look about a size 31 in the John Doe jeans (they have the same waist fit as Levi's 511 premium). What about the Spidi Dyneema Evo? Is the fit the same as John Doe or should I order a smaller/larger size (and how many sizes)?
@@danielg9657 I probably would've been more comfortable in a 32 in the John Doe in this video. I wear a 33 in the Spidis, can go down to a 32. I'm between a 30-32 in most casual wear, depending on how generous their waist runs. Note that my comments only apply to the Defender Monos - the more jean versions don't have the same gusseting and panels to accommodate movement apparently.
Thanks for the awesome presentation- shed some light on a very confusing subject- like you I care about what I wear- so more on the ghost D30 and the like.... I feel they're too thin to do anything to protect your joints
My wife had L1 Ghost pads on her knees when we crashed. She had no pain beyond a tiny bit of surface bruising where the right pad hit hard enough to leave imprints from the triangle points. The rest of the impact was totally absorbed. I would not ise them in a garment that doesnt hug the pad against your joints though.
@@cblais19 you also mentioned armored leggings worn with the Spidi, wondering what brand and how was the overall comfort, did you notice more restriction or bulk? was it tolerable with another added layer?
@@lennykibbs260 Forcefield X2s. They’re pretty low profile and are very comfortable and even slightly cooling to wear. I use them with a wide variety of pants so I never have to worry about armor height.
I'm pretty shocked you used the word tight regarding the first pair of jeans, I am 51 and I am 5'11" with a 32" leg and a 36", I do not wear dad jeans and prefer a tapered fit, I would consider the jeans you showed us first to be baggy and not fitting correctly.
The actual fit around the waist was large (36” actual, or what the US considers a 34), but I had to size up to that for my legs and calves. When sat on the bike, these also had a fairly low rise and pulled the crotch seam into my groin due to the lack of gusseting. I had previously tried their “34” and it was way too snug all around despite a bit of room at the waist Still.
@@cblais19 I would say I'm a fairly similar size to you for jeans, I always have issues fitting my calfs (unlike a lot of skinny to big guys over here in the UK I actually have calf muscles)
@@ragetobe I did find the John Does to be a good fit. I’m actually back in a pair now, they advertise themselves as a single layer Jean but if you get in the guts you can see they’ve used some sort of reinforcements at the knees & a double layer of denim at the hips via armor pockets. Plus with that extra gusseting all around they can be fitted without impeding riding flexibility.
This was a good video. I crashed wearing a pair of john doe single layer jeans (AAA) at around 50km/h (31mph) surprisingly the fabric remained completely intact and didn't wear through anywhere, I say surprisingly as they really do feel as though they're not protective. I wish they would include a thin silky mesh liner in the future, I didn't sustain any friction burn but I'm aware with more slide time it's a realistic possibility. fwiw this was on an Australian road surface, not the most course surface I've ever seen here, but still chip seal afaik. Also the armor pockets in the knees and hips are actually made out of the same single layer material as the jeans, so in those limited spots at least, I guess it's sort of an extra layer, kind of...
Also great to see MotoCap get a shout out, they do really great work, unfortunately they don't test nearly enough products though because they're massively underfunded
Thank you for your time in making this. Have a like and a subscriber.
its true that dyneema isnt heat resistance? this dyneema pants will melt during a slide?
Great overview, thank you
18:07 I think you mean to say skin shear injury. This is where the fabric of a piece of clothing grips the skin while its being moved relative to the body which causes the skin to delaminate. Multiple layers help alleviate this as the outer layer that grips to the road can slip on the secondary layer rather than your skin. Of course this all depends on how slippery the layers are wrt each other and your skin and how much give there is in both layers.
Great! Very helpful!
Thanks for the review. I ordered the John Doe’s.
I think this is the best review oh this topic! Amazing work! Thanks!
At the end of the day, keeping in mind the protective features, for summer riding would you suggest to buy this Spidi or do you think there are any (more protective) multiple layer jeans that could perform as well as for breathabilty and airflow?
P.S. sorry for my bad english
Hi, I think it depends on your heat tolerance & climate. Rev’it multilayer jeans with their PWR|Shield reinforcements are pretty good, but they keep reducing the models that offer that. Fuel has some new interesting single layer offerings as welll.
I was just wondering what size leg you had on the PMJ? I am a similar build to you, I am also a 32" waist but have no problem with the armour position because I chosethe 34" leg size.
I had the 32x32. They would've been way too long for me in a 34. I find that most Moto jeans/pants that are slim fitting and cut without a gusset pull inboard on me once I'm on the bike. I have pretty beefy thighs and calves for my waist size, which adds stress.
Any recommendations for short people like 5foot five inches??
Revit offers a number of jeans in a short inseam, but that’s only going to be 30” probably. You may need to look at jeans with adjustable armor and have them hemmed.
I have ordered a pair of PMJ Deux - not sure about the armour, I may change for ghost Level 2 once they arrive. Our climate is a little colder in 🏴
Ghost armor is a great choice!
Interesting. I’m considering the Spidi J-Dyneema jeans but would have to order them online. And I’d like to get it right the first time. If I wear a size 34 Klim K52, what size would I be in the Spidi? 34 or 36?
I think they offer a 35? Maybe try that?
@@cblais19 that would be nice but I only see 34 and 36 as available. I’ve asked a couple places to measure but they both pointed to the sizing chart. No dealer near me so…
@@mojosdad68 ah, darn. I had a 33 so figured there would be a 35. If you have room in the klim I’d try a 34; if you’re close to the max I’d do a 36.
@@cblais19 thanks Chris. The Klim are a roomy 34. It’s a gamble really.
Thank you for the review.
Is the Spidi or John Doe better for hot weather? Which one has better airflow?
Both are very good. I think the John Doe has a bit better flow at the armor points, especially if you put something like D3O Ghost in there, but the fabric of the Spidi has a higher overall potential. I wear the Spidi’s over a pair of armored leggings and they’re fantastic.
@@cblais19 What do you mean by potential? Protection at higher speed?
How well does the soft sas-tech armor hold up in the knees of the JD jeans?
Which conforms better to your knee, the sas-tech or level 1 ghost?
Which do you think would hold better and not shift in the event of a slide?
@@danielg9657 Yes.
Some of this is going to be personal preference & shape. I don’t own the JD any more and can’t speak to how the SasTec tripleflex pads fit. However the Ghost is a bit more conforming due to how the pad is held together.
@@cblais19 One more question about sizing. You look about a size 31 in the John Doe jeans (they have the same waist fit as Levi's 511 premium).
What about the Spidi Dyneema Evo? Is the fit the same as John Doe or should I order a smaller/larger size (and how many sizes)?
@@danielg9657 I probably would've been more comfortable in a 32 in the John Doe in this video. I wear a 33 in the Spidis, can go down to a 32. I'm between a 30-32 in most casual wear, depending on how generous their waist runs.
Note that my comments only apply to the Defender Monos - the more jean versions don't have the same gusseting and panels to accommodate movement apparently.
Thanks for the awesome presentation- shed some light on a very confusing subject- like you I care about what I wear- so more on the ghost D30 and the like.... I feel they're too thin to do anything to protect your joints
My wife had L1 Ghost pads on her knees when we crashed. She had no pain beyond a tiny bit of surface bruising where the right pad hit hard enough to leave imprints from the triangle points. The rest of the impact was totally absorbed. I would not ise them in a garment that doesnt hug the pad against your joints though.
@@cblais19 you also mentioned armored leggings worn with the Spidi, wondering what brand and how was the overall comfort, did you notice more restriction or bulk? was it tolerable with another added layer?
@@lennykibbs260 Forcefield X2s. They’re pretty low profile and are very comfortable and even slightly cooling to wear. I use them with a wide variety of pants so I never have to worry about armor height.
@@cblais19 Thank you
Single layer AAA yeah right.
I'm pretty shocked you used the word tight regarding the first pair of jeans, I am 51 and I am 5'11" with a 32" leg and a 36", I do not wear dad jeans and prefer a tapered fit, I would consider the jeans you showed us first to be baggy and not fitting correctly.
The actual fit around the waist was large (36” actual, or what the US considers a 34), but I had to size up to that for my legs and calves. When sat on the bike, these also had a fairly low rise and pulled the crotch seam into my groin due to the lack of gusseting. I had previously tried their “34” and it was way too snug all around despite a bit of room at the waist Still.
@@cblais19 I would say I'm a fairly similar size to you for jeans, I always have issues fitting my calfs (unlike a lot of skinny to big guys over here in the UK I actually have calf muscles)
@@ragetobe I did find the John Does to be a good fit. I’m actually back in a pair now, they advertise themselves as a single layer Jean but if you get in the guts you can see they’ve used some sort of reinforcements at the knees & a double layer of denim at the hips via armor pockets. Plus with that extra gusseting all around they can be fitted without impeding riding flexibility.
Are they all ce certified tested cause I know the John Doe is