For people wondering about the Motore X F3, you can get it installed in a Maltby driver for ~$280. That's for the whole club; head, shaft, grip. If you're looking to try out this shaft it's not a terrible deal.
Absolutely! Of course you can. It’s a golf shaft, not a race car. I cannot stress enough the simplicity of the item in question. It’s an extremely simple item, and the materials used to produce it are also extremely low cost. People who pay $800 for a golf shaft are Low iq players, not low scoring 😂
I found a Riptide Even Flow in a L flex (which is 2 down from R flex), and it is 40g which is 10g less than my current shaft. Installed the shaft into my R11 driver about 3 months ago. I don't think I'm getting much more in distance, but oh my goodness...so much more consistent and easier to swing! I'm now hitting on average 12 out of 14 fairways. Distance is somewhere around 240-250. My driver is now my favorite club. I'm 63 years old. Thanks.
Same here (in the Netherlands btw) I fitted a Grafalloy ProLaunch Blue 45 Graphite - Wood A (50 Euro shaft) took 2 inch off from the tip and installed Cobra Adapter for my Cobra Radspeed just for fun. Put the driver onto 10.5 degree, mounted some 14 gram weight in front slot to lower spin and a 6 gram weight in the back, swingweight around D1.1 which I love. Wow... tested it on trackman indoors, compared it to Ping 430 Max 10K, Ai Smoke Max, QI10, Cobra, TSi3 ... The 3 years old Radspeed was 7-8 yards longer then the Ai Smoke which gave a little tighter dispersion. But my Radspeed drives were all left centre line, baby draw and in the fairway all except one. But man the feel and timing fits me so much better, loving it.
I listened to the video from a year or so ago, and did end up with a Fujikura 47 g senior flex shaft. I've been playing it for over a year and my golf partners asked this what did you change in your driver, as you're hitting it at least 20 yards longer. And I will add, I've hit more fairways too. (I didn't expect that shaft to be as accurate as it is!) Cheers and thank you! The original video sold me! PS The shaft I have is the "taylormade" Fugikura "speeder" 47 g shaft senior flex
Keep up the good work. I enjoy your video's. I am a average senior golfer and I have made my own clubs. I shoot in the mid to low 80's occasionally breaking 80.:) I am always interested in all things related to club making and golf. I also watch Mr. Short game.
Loved the video, thanks. What would be a good substitute for the red or blue Ventus driver shaft? I am looking to launch it higher with not as much spin. Any thoughts? My swing speed is less than 90 mph. Thanks in advance. 6 handicap golfer.
I have all Titleist clubs with a TRS2 Driver, but i'd NEVER pay $800 for a shaft. Thats outrageous. I was thinking about putting the Fuji Airspeeder in my Driver to test it out. I love the motore x too. I lofted my King Cobra 5 wood to 20° & put a 3 wood motore x shaft on it to mimic the specs of a Heavenwood. I absolutely love that club❤
AJ! This is really interesting. Thank you for another great video. A question: Do you know anything about the profile on Ping's Alta Quick driver shafts? Especially the 45 option. It seems to be in that senior flex, light weight, category. It comes with the HL version of the G430 but I was thinking about how it would pair with like a 9 degree Max head for a swing speed at 100 mph.
Cool video. I bought a PXG for my girlfriend with a project X cb 40 gram 5.0. She doesn’t use it, so I’m going to Superstore to put a ping tip to give it a go in my 425 Max. I’m using the Alta cb slate 50 stiff. Thanks
Might be a stupid question but I understand what you are saying in regards to moving down 2 flexes, I currently swing a regular so I would potentially move down to a ladies. My question is; isn’t there a risk of the shaft breaking from the extra swing speed beyond what it is rated for? I’m not a monster driver but average 225 and the ladies is rated almost 80 yards shorter from what I’m seeing online, am I misunderstanding something here?
That’s pretty tacky having people dawg you for trying to save those of us who can’t afford a $800 shaft….i don’t even have that much in my iron set..so thanks for what you do 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
By accident I played a fujikura motore Regular. I found a deal on the shaft and had a krank LD head installed. I did not know it was a regular shaft for like 6 months. Best driving I've done in my life. I adapted to the shaft pretty quickly and I think what happens is you are forced to lag and hold your hands off longer and that might be a key to why this auto flex concept works.
I’m younger and I’ve been playing graphite shafts for more than 10+ years… I started with the MFS 115’s… then went to the Aerotech Steelfibers (great shafts, beware, they play stiffer to flex than normal) then I switched to the Recoil Prototype 110’s and finally grabbed a set of 95’s both in F4 (stiff)… There are so many good graphite iron shafts to help with elbow pain and soreness… or to add a few yards without sacrificing dispersion
Matching auto flex perfectly aside, does this concept of dropping two flexes and one weight designation yield similar result in someone’s current shaft? Or is there something in the actual profile that is the bigger deal when coupled with weight and flex?
Question: I see a Riptide Even flow in lady flex 4.0. Would you recommend this to a senior to try? Also, are there a lot of fakes out there of the Autoflex shaft-type shafts you recommend here? Thanks. Love your recommendations. You are terrific.
I saw the Mr Shortgame video yesterday. I checked online and here in the UK the 50 dollar shaft was available on many sites for around 50 to 80 pounds.
AJ, its funny that all these hacks are coming out now. I never had the urge for the autoflex(except for the color) but last year when i got my SIM2 with the Ventus Blue(traded my Mizuno driver with a friend) in it I started tinkering. Long story short I ended up taking the Ventus(TM stock, nonVelocore) out ended up taking 1.25inches off the tip and not touching the butt end. The shaft i had in my Mizuno was a 7X and the Ventus that came in the SIM2 was a 5A. I absolutely never had a shaft that felt so good and the performance is unreal.
Isn't the main selling point of the AutoFlex its "adaptive" flex/torque of the unique material? With that in mind, how do static measurements determine an "exact" replacement? This type of characteristic can only be "measured" dynamically.
Hi hope you will see this . Have you been able to test the graphite design ag33 shaft? One TH-cam video compared to auto flex . The guy has a 110 mph plus speed and was using the regular and was hitting it really well. My swing speed is 100 to 103 mph and use a Ventus blue in 5s and have used the 6r and 6s. These are sub 40 grams and was wondering do I get the regular flex or the r2 flex? Possible for a review of this shaft? Also do you have any opinion on the all-fit driver adapter bc have a Taylormade and titleist driver. Thank you
Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into that shaft. Any number of shafts can accomplish the same thing as the Autoflex. All about dropping some weight and a couple flex ratings. Also want a mid to high launch profile if we are trying to get close to the Autoflex.
Really interested in trying this. Currently have a Aldila ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. in the 60 Stiff. Is the Evenflow Riptide CB in the 40 Senior what I should be looking for? Thanks, really like your videos.
That Motore F3 isn't even the aftermarket one, it's the one that came stock in Cobra drivers (ZL Encore), the Motore F3 came in 60 -70- 80 and 95 HB, not 55.
I had a heck of a time finding a good spec sheet on that shaft and that is probably why. That said, this is even better for the argument if a "made for" shaft can provide similar results. Although I am not sure if this Motore was a made for or a repaint/repurpose Fuji shaft?
I pulled my senior riptide out of my pxg 3 wood for fun. Put it in my Black Ops driver, so playing 3 inches shorter and was hitting some great drivers. These shafts are not for a quick tempo. I've had 2 autoflex and they were all over the place for me. I pulled out the head weights to maximize as autoflex suggested
Hi, love your content, but to provide constructive feedback, I think there is some nuance in this "debate". I initially thought the Autoflex shaft was pixie dust. Lighter shafts and senior flex shafts are extremely hard to time for a non-pro golfer with higher swing speeds, or amateurs who load the shaft heavily. I've played with clubs with R-Flex and Senior-Flex, and my experience is that when your tempo/timing is off, lighter and whippier shafts can be a disaster. My misses were hitting the ball into the ground and/or large dispersion (usually FORE LEFT!!!). On testing an Autoflex 505x driver shaft, I found the shaft extremely easy to time and my dispersion was as tight as my driver with a 60g X-flex, but my swing speed and ball speeds were noticeably quicker. Maybe in the future, run a test with a mid handicap golfer and compare their results in terms of swing speed, ball speed, smash factor, direction deviation and spin. Pro golfers like Mr Shortgame tend to have excellent tempo, so he's easily able to adapt to shafts with different flexes, but amateur golfers tend not to have this skill in their toolset.
I'm not dismissing your claim that the cheaper shafts can provide equal if not better results than Autoflex. I think that the above test would would provide more weight to your argument.
I just ordered a F3 6R I know it’s not exactly the correct one but hopefully it’s close! Fingers crossed I have a stealth HD head love TaylorMade drivers but always fade biased, I’m hoping this softer flex will help neutralize/ draw my ball flight
Motore X is readily available. The F3 5 R2 would be the closest match I believe. I plan on testing it against the old Motore I used in an upcoming video.
Aj I need help matching up a graphite iron shaft similar to a grand bassara 55 lite shaft. Just tried ping and pxg and can't match my old clubs 2017 epic stair irons but mine are worn out
Once again, I'm not impressed with your claims. No club/ball data to back up what you explained. I hate being a naysayer, however I only know what works for me. I've owned the Autoflex since Matty was blasting 370 plus drives down the middle, over and over. In fact TXG fitted my 505 for my TM driver. Amazing results. I decided to try other versions of softer flex shafts and nothing compares. Again... this is my swing not anyone else's. GET FITTED. It's the only way anyone will ever know what works and what doesn't.
You missed the absolute perfect match. The Mitsubishi Bassara GG a 2014 model that is an absolute perfect profile to the AutoFlex. I love the brand name, Korean Hidden Technology. Yes, hidden from the golfer that the design was discontinued around 2015 by MRC. That is why I publish www.GolfShaftReviews.info Russ, Owner Editor of Golf Shaft Reviews and the TH-cam channel, DevotedGolfer.
I think that PX Riptide was a very close match had we been up against a 505xx. That said the Motore F3 in whatever profile shape it has, won the day for Mr Shortgame at least.
@@EFGMC Hey, I forgot to thank you for bringing my effort to enlighten golfers about golf shafts to your audience. My aim is to bring science to into a market dominated by mythology. You are doing an excellent job at that yourself.
How would you co.pare the Fujikura airspeeder to the Autoflex? I read online it's Fujikura's version of the Autoflex, and another TH-camr compared them, and they were similar, but that was more of a subjective type of comparison. So im wondering what your thoughts are about it
This absolutely works! Fujikura Motore x F3 r2 flex. Actually works better than actual autoflex. DROP driver loft, or else shots will balloon with high spin and high launch. You want less loft with low spin and high launch.
Are you sure you don't mean the EF CB 5.0 5R? Which is 52 grams and still 6 grams less than the Motore? The CB 40 5.0 is only 45 grams. The 505x and xx are both in 50s. Can't imagine any hitter at 105+ ss hitting a 45 gram shaft and certainly dont see how it compares to the Motore.
Wow that's crazy! I can't wait for you to get the Elite Golf school going....I definitely want to attend this and learn more about this...and who knows....?
I have a mitsubishi bassara w series 50 hi flex A shaft. Would a Mitsubishi bassara W series 50 HI A flex be similar? I'm hitting my driver about 260-280 with a Tensei whit AV 6g gram stiff flex , not sure of my swing speed
Accidentally experienced the autoflex feel. Tried out my daughter’s Tour Edge driver with a senior flex at the driving range couple months ago before seeing this video. Swung easy at first but took a rip at one and was surprised at the result. Straight and hit the 220yd net at the back of the range 3/4 ways up. I play x flex 60 Ventus tr red in a Ping G430max. Going have to look for a poor man’s autoflex. 👍🏾
There are a ton of good shafts out there that for us regular weekend golfers that are so much better than the crappy stock shafts. I picked up a Grapalloy red 60g x stiff for 85 with the Srixon tip. Did the pxg challenge and I’ll be applying my 100 to a 4i for my gen5 set
For me Why I would go for auto flex is Very soft attack and forgiving important things is they softer & lighter so that you not going to injury your body 💓But thank again I know you trying to save people money and that is a nicest thing to do 💗💕🙇🏻♂️🥰
This man does know what he is talking about, people get ripped off about shafts all the time. With heavy swing weighting you can make the shafts even better believe it or not. It’s a hobby of mine to destroy golf shafts with some really out side the box thinking. And I do add a lot of weight to the heads as well. Keep laughing but what works is all that matters. I sometimes spray the shaft black, stops the abuse.
A golf club has a lightweight flexible shaft with a heavy block of wood or metal (called the head of the club) at the end. A golfer making a long shot off the tee uses a driver, a club whose 300 g head is much more massive than the 46 g ball it will hit. The golfer swings the driver so that the club head is moving at 43 m/s just before it collides with the ball. The collision is so rapid that it can be treated as the collision of a moving 300 g mass (the club head) with a stationary 46 g mass (the ball); the shaft of the club and the golfer can be ignored.
Have you also looked at head weight. I used autoflex and got more from it when I got to a specific head weight. This left me to conclude that the tip stiffness was influenced and in the end I could use anything if the tip stiffness was in the same ball park.
The Autoflex recommends dropping head weight to get to what I would call pretty arbitrary swing weights. Like many other elements here, dropping weight will allow you to swing the club faster and gain speed not from the shaft but just from physics. It does also as you said stiffen the shaft a bit and that can help control what would otherwise be too whippet for some golfers.
When you built the riptide shaft did you do any special tip trimming? When I tested the AutoFlex shaft and compared it to my gamer I was surprised with its accuracy. I’ve thought about testing a lighter shaft and dropping from an Xflex down to regular but tipping the shaft 1-2 inches to see if it’s possible to retain a tighter strike pattern as the autoflex strike pattern was twice as large as my tour ad VR at the same shaft length. I never miss in the heel but I missed low heel to high toe with the autoflex as opposed to center to high toe miss with my gamer. I thought this might be to shaft droop from a weaker tip section.
PX shaft was straight in, butt cut only. It was a good bit stiffer than the 505 he was hitting. The PX would be a good match against the 505xx I am sure. As far as misses go, this idea clearly won't work for everyone. Some swings will not jive with a light flexible shaft and need something more heavy and rigid. However if the Autoflex is a good match for your swing, then these other shafts I highlighted will also provide similar results. Remember tipping a shaft only changes flex slightly. One inch of tipping = 1/2 a flex move up.
It would have been interesting to see his results against the ventus red 6x he got fitted at fujikura and currently plays. Curious if he tried the motore f3 at half the ventus price.
Great Video and Info! I bought the evenflow CB 40 in seniorflex for 65€ and see if it performes similar to SF 505. I like the Autoflexshaft even it costs a bunch but gives me extra 4-5 mph Clubheadspeed compared to regular or stiff flex shafts. Downside are surly the costs and it sometimes hooks on me. Maybe the dispersion of the evenflow is a bit thighter.
The closer the alternate shaft is to the Autoflex, the closer the result will be. I think the 40 in 4.0 will be a little stiffer than the 505 so it might curb some of the hooks.
I want to start doing some of my own regripping etc....what's a good shaft clamp for my vise and where can I get one? you don't have an old one lying around do you? :D.
Mr. Short game was playing the wrong autoflex shaft ..at his swing speed he should have been using at least a 505X. His autoflex results may have been much better…!! Great video ,please try again with the 505 x or 505xx I have been using the autoflex and moving up or down the flex range makes a huge difference.. The autoflex is also extremely dependant on head weight…did you find the optimum head weight?
I`m now using the EvenFlow Riptide CB 40 5.0 in my driver with 105-108Mph club head speed. Which shaft should I use for my 3Wood? What swing weight would you play?
Hi, love your channel! Do you think the Diamana RF 50 R or the Diamana ZF 40 R2 would match the autoflex? I have 89mph driver swing speed. I wonder what bend point is the autoflex, is it mid or low bend point? Thanks
It has a very soft mid section and tip with a stiffer handle comparatively. I have found the exact profile to be less important however than the weight and flex part.
Great Videos mobile clubmakers golf! PXG has a sale on 0211 drivers with riptide shafts. I have a Swingspeed between 95-100 mph. Can you recommend if i should get the L flex to try to copy the Autoflex?? I use stiff tensie blue right now at 44.75 which i hit pretty good.
Wasn’t the thought process behind the Autoflex was To go around 46-48” build ? Right now I play a 55g Reg Tensei Orange. Hit it well. Would worry about dispersion going 10g lighter, L flex and 47” or longer
Thanks AJ, I had watched this video last year, saved it and have now re-watched it. You really are great. I will let you know how I make out. Take care.
I need a lighter shaft!! Using a Mitsubishi Grand Bassara 29 Graphite Shaft -- Need been through a lot so afraid it will break soon-- should I get an autoflex? is there anything comparable to it?
That's the whole point here. There are many many options that will do the same thing as a Autoflex. Harder part will be finding 30g shaft options. Grand Bassera in Light flex or Fujikura Air Speeder would be two options. Fujikura also makes a 45g Vista Pro that would stack up well I think.
I currently play stiff shafts but if I have the motore X f3 5-R instead of senior flex, could I put that counter balance weight on the grip end to make flex softer? What do you think? Thanks
Great video. AF has great marketing and what they sell works for many.. at a price. Thanks for the comparisons, butt and tip flex/frequency weight should allow a similar comparison. After watching some long drive guys builds I got hooked on a light flexible 48” combination and gained a lot of distance (after a lot of practice with this setup) I use a Grafalloy Prolaunch Blue 45 “A” flex $45 in a Ping g400 LST adjusted to 6 degree and get great launch and spin numbers. While maybe not for everyone I like it!!
Love the video! Thinking of trying this out. Currently gaming project x 6.5 60g. Should I go down to 5.5 40g or 5.0 40g? Thanks for your help! Great videos!
@Mobile Clubmaker. Hey AJ, what do you think of the Grafalloy PFC 50 Series? It is an older high launch/low spin shaft. Would a senior flex have a similar profile to the Motore F3?
Not sure about PFC. ProLaunch is always a good shaft. Only issue I have is any shaft that claims high launch low spin is just flat out lying. Launch and spin go hand in hand, don't get one without the other.
I have the fujikura motore f3 5 r2 that i got in a package deal lot and wasn't sure if it was for me due to the light weight and flex, but after you video and Mr. Shortgame video I think I need to add a new adapter for my new Callaway and give this a try. Lucky Me after looking up the price of a new one of these, about $200 which is a far cry from the Autoflex
In club building I found that often price was a better seller than performance. The average amateur and even the better golfer’s swing wasn’t as repeatable as they thought it was. That always skewed the results and lead to a logical decision to spend money on lessons. I do think the shaft is the engine of the club when you consider performance but just like the open road most people need to drive the reliable 4 door sedan because they will never need that 700hp exotic super car. They simply need to get from tee (point A) to green (point B). Keep up the great content!!!
@@ocashflo I would say the closet thing would be the club face. Some are hotter than others to the point where they are illegal. There you go. The shaft is more like the suspension. Some people like it stiff, some like it plush. Whatever you prefer that helps you drive the way you want with the most confidence and enjoyment is the point of a shaft.
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For people wondering about the Motore X F3, you can get it installed in a Maltby driver for ~$280. That's for the whole club; head, shaft, grip. If you're looking to try out this shaft it's not a terrible deal.
Mr Short Game & Mr Mobile Clubmaker is a GREAT combo!!! Thanks! 💪
Absolutely! Of course you can. It’s a golf shaft, not a race car. I cannot stress enough the simplicity of the item in question. It’s an extremely simple item, and the materials used to produce it are also extremely low cost. People who pay $800 for a golf shaft are Low iq players, not low scoring 😂
I found a Riptide Even Flow in a L flex (which is 2 down from R flex), and it is 40g which is 10g less than my current shaft. Installed the shaft into my R11 driver about 3 months ago. I don't think I'm getting much more in distance, but oh my goodness...so much more consistent and easier to swing! I'm now hitting on average 12 out of 14 fairways. Distance is somewhere around 240-250. My driver is now my favorite club. I'm 63 years old. Thanks.
Where did you find the shaft? All I can find are the “non hand crafted” cheaper version of the riptide
@@willcardwell5284 I think I found a club that had that shaft in it on Global Golf.
Same here (in the Netherlands btw) I fitted a Grafalloy ProLaunch Blue 45 Graphite - Wood A (50 Euro shaft) took 2 inch off from the tip and installed Cobra Adapter for my Cobra Radspeed just for fun. Put the driver onto 10.5 degree, mounted some 14 gram weight in front slot to lower spin and a 6 gram weight in the back, swingweight around D1.1
which I love. Wow... tested it on trackman indoors, compared it to Ping 430 Max 10K, Ai Smoke Max, QI10, Cobra, TSi3 ... The 3 years old Radspeed was 7-8 yards longer then the Ai Smoke which gave a little tighter dispersion. But my Radspeed drives were all left centre line, baby draw and in the fairway all except one. But man the feel and timing fits me so much better, loving it.
Same
And why we watch AJ now. Real info. No fluff.
Thank you!
I listened to the video from a year or so ago, and did end up with a Fujikura 47 g senior flex shaft. I've been playing it for over a year and my golf partners asked this what did you change in your driver, as you're hitting it at least 20 yards longer. And I will add, I've hit more fairways too. (I didn't expect that shaft to be as accurate as it is!)
Cheers and thank you! The original video sold me!
PS
The shaft I have is the "taylormade" Fugikura "speeder" 47 g shaft senior flex
I always love to hear validation of my theories! Thanks for your support!
Keep up the good work. I enjoy your video's. I am a average senior golfer and I have made my own clubs. I shoot in the mid to low 80's occasionally breaking 80.:) I am always interested in all things related to club making and golf. I also watch Mr. Short game.
I'm getting into working on my own clubs too. Soon I'll find out if the graphite shafts help me. No or.
Loved the video, thanks. What would be a good substitute for the red or blue Ventus driver shaft? I am looking to launch it higher with not as much spin. Any thoughts? My swing speed is less than 90 mph. Thanks in advance. 6 handicap golfer.
I have all Titleist clubs with a TRS2 Driver, but i'd NEVER pay $800 for a shaft. Thats outrageous. I was thinking about putting the Fuji Airspeeder in my Driver to test it out. I love the motore x too. I lofted my King Cobra 5 wood to 20° & put a 3 wood motore x shaft on it to mimic the specs of a Heavenwood. I absolutely love that club❤
I play a 45 gram shaft that cost $40 and I'm crushing it.
What flex are you using? I'm in a stiff 65 gram shaft and thinking about trying this.
AJ! This is really interesting. Thank you for another great video. A question: Do you know anything about the profile on Ping's Alta Quick driver shafts? Especially the 45 option. It seems to be in that senior flex, light weight, category. It comes with the HL version of the G430 but I was thinking about how it would pair with like a 9 degree Max head for a swing speed at 100 mph.
Cool video. I bought a PXG for my girlfriend with a project X cb 40 gram 5.0. She doesn’t use it, so I’m going to Superstore to put a ping tip to give it a go in my 425 Max. I’m using the Alta cb slate 50 stiff. Thanks
Might be a stupid question but I understand what you are saying in regards to moving down 2 flexes, I currently swing a regular so I would potentially move down to a ladies. My question is; isn’t there a risk of the shaft breaking from the extra swing speed beyond what it is rated for? I’m not a monster driver but average 225 and the ladies is rated almost 80 yards shorter from what I’m seeing online, am I misunderstanding something here?
I have a long drive club Krank 6* head with a graffalloy blue 45 regular
It’s fun ;)
its so weird that the autoflex shaft is conforming but a highcor driver like Kranks XX fire is not.
can't find the Motore X F3 anywhere...
Thats it. Im buying Ladies flex shafts for my woods.
That’s pretty tacky having people dawg you for trying to save those of us who can’t afford a $800 shaft….i don’t even have that much in my iron set..so thanks for what you do 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
By accident I played a fujikura motore Regular. I found a deal on the shaft and had a krank LD head installed. I did not know it was a regular shaft for like 6 months. Best driving I've done in my life. I adapted to the shaft pretty quickly and I think what happens is you are forced to lag and hold your hands off longer and that might be a key to why this auto flex concept works.
I'm in the "shaft" interim of my golf career. I'm looking to change my iron shafts to graphite. I think it'll help my career.
I’m younger and I’ve been playing graphite shafts for more than 10+ years… I started with the MFS 115’s… then went to the Aerotech Steelfibers (great shafts, beware, they play stiffer to flex than normal) then I switched to the Recoil Prototype 110’s and finally grabbed a set of 95’s both in F4 (stiff)…
There are so many good graphite iron shafts to help with elbow pain and soreness… or to add a few yards without sacrificing dispersion
Matching auto flex perfectly aside, does this concept of dropping two flexes and one weight designation yield similar result in someone’s current shaft? Or is there something in the actual profile that is the bigger deal when coupled with weight and flex?
Question: I see a Riptide Even flow in lady flex 4.0. Would you recommend this to a senior to try? Also, are there a lot of fakes out there of the Autoflex shaft-type shafts you recommend here? Thanks. Love your recommendations. You are terrific.
That 4.0 would be good I think. Would be the same idea as I discussed in the video.
Couldnt find it for 50 bucks, $250 was the cheapest I saw. Btw, can you specify a shaft for me? Didnt know if you sold shafts or not. Thx.
I do. Email me
adam@elitefitgolf.com
I saw the Mr Shortgame video yesterday. I checked online and here in the UK the 50 dollar shaft was available on many sites for around 50 to 80 pounds.
What sites please
I swing 95-100nph. Any thoughts on Maltby UL for an Autoflex poor man’s version?
Thanks and keep up the great work.
I haven't tried it. If it fits the weight and flex rules, then I don't see why not.
For me I was not impressed with the autoflex. At least not for the crazy money. Maybe I just expected to much
Thank you for the update AJ for shafts that are more widely available at the moment. Now it is time for shaft shopping.
Could you recommend an iron shaft that is simular to the autoflex iron shafts?
AJ, its funny that all these hacks are coming out now. I never had the urge for the autoflex(except for the color) but last year when i got my SIM2 with the Ventus Blue(traded my Mizuno driver with a friend) in it I started tinkering. Long story short I ended up taking the Ventus(TM stock, nonVelocore) out ended up taking 1.25inches off the tip and not touching the butt end. The shaft i had in my Mizuno was a 7X and the Ventus that came in the SIM2 was a 5A. I absolutely never had a shaft that felt so good and the performance is unreal.
Isn't the main selling point of the AutoFlex its "adaptive" flex/torque of the unique material? With that in mind, how do static measurements determine an "exact" replacement? This type of characteristic can only be "measured" dynamically.
Hi hope you will see this . Have you been able to test the graphite design ag33 shaft? One TH-cam video compared to auto flex . The guy has a 110 mph plus speed and was using the regular and was hitting it really well. My swing speed is 100 to 103 mph and use a Ventus blue in 5s and have used the 6r and 6s. These are sub 40 grams and was wondering do I get the regular flex or the r2 flex? Possible for a review of this shaft?
Also do you have any opinion on the all-fit driver adapter bc have a Taylormade and titleist driver. Thank you
Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into that shaft. Any number of shafts can accomplish the same thing as the Autoflex. All about dropping some weight and a couple flex ratings. Also want a mid to high launch profile if we are trying to get close to the Autoflex.
Really interested in trying this. Currently have a Aldila ROGUE White 130 M.S.I. in the 60 Stiff. Is the Evenflow Riptide CB in the 40 Senior what I should be looking for? Thanks, really like your videos.
perfect, great shaft
That Motore F3 isn't even the aftermarket one, it's the one that came stock in Cobra drivers (ZL Encore), the Motore F3 came in 60 -70- 80 and 95 HB, not 55.
I had a heck of a time finding a good spec sheet on that shaft and that is probably why. That said, this is even better for the argument if a "made for" shaft can provide similar results.
Although I am not sure if this Motore was a made for or a repaint/repurpose Fuji shaft?
I pulled my senior riptide out of my pxg 3 wood for fun. Put it in my Black Ops driver, so playing 3 inches shorter and was hitting some great drivers. These shafts are not for a quick tempo. I've had 2 autoflex and they were all over the place for me. I pulled out the head weights to maximize as autoflex suggested
Would be interesting to hear about the torque specs on these shafts...
Awesome! Thank you!
Had success with a Riptide butt trimmed one inch and a flex softer. Good for my senior swing. Thanks!
I am a big fan of " Fugikura " I have a 60 gram shaft on my Cobra Driver.
Hi, love your content, but to provide constructive feedback, I think there is some nuance in this "debate". I initially thought the Autoflex shaft was pixie dust. Lighter shafts and senior flex shafts are extremely hard to time for a non-pro golfer with higher swing speeds, or amateurs who load the shaft heavily. I've played with clubs with R-Flex and Senior-Flex, and my experience is that when your tempo/timing is off, lighter and whippier shafts can be a disaster. My misses were hitting the ball into the ground and/or large dispersion (usually FORE LEFT!!!). On testing an Autoflex 505x driver shaft, I found the shaft extremely easy to time and my dispersion was as tight as my driver with a 60g X-flex, but my swing speed and ball speeds were noticeably quicker. Maybe in the future, run a test with a mid handicap golfer and compare their results in terms of swing speed, ball speed, smash factor, direction deviation and spin. Pro golfers like Mr Shortgame tend to have excellent tempo, so he's easily able to adapt to shafts with different flexes, but amateur golfers tend not to have this skill in their toolset.
I'm not dismissing your claim that the cheaper shafts can provide equal if not better results than Autoflex. I think that the above test would would provide more weight to your argument.
I just ordered a F3 6R I know it’s not exactly the correct one but hopefully it’s close! Fingers crossed
I have a stealth HD head love TaylorMade drivers but always fade biased, I’m hoping this softer flex will help neutralize/ draw my ball flight
How did you like the F3 60R? I literally just grabbed one off the Bay to compare to my Fubuki V60S and my Aldila Ascent 60S…
@mobileclubmaker. Where can I find that matore shaft? Or what new version to buy?
Motore X is readily available. The F3 5 R2 would be the closest match I believe. I plan on testing it against the old Motore I used in an upcoming video.
Would love to see you do a similar video with the Bgt Brava. They're website doesn't giveaway bend profiles just weight and torque
Aj
I need help matching up a graphite iron shaft similar to a grand bassara 55 lite shaft. Just tried ping and pxg and can't match my old clubs 2017 epic stair irons but mine are worn out
Once again, I'm not impressed with your claims. No club/ball data to back up what you explained. I hate being a naysayer, however I only know what works for me. I've owned the Autoflex since Matty was blasting 370 plus drives down the middle, over and over. In fact TXG fitted my 505 for my TM driver. Amazing results. I decided to try other versions of softer flex shafts and nothing compares. Again... this is my swing not anyone else's. GET FITTED. It's the only way anyone will ever know what works and what doesn't.
Fascinating stuff!
Watched the video with Mr Shortgame and that was wild, got me interested!!!
You missed the absolute perfect match. The Mitsubishi Bassara GG a 2014 model that is an absolute perfect profile to the AutoFlex. I love the brand name, Korean Hidden Technology. Yes, hidden from the golfer that the design was discontinued around 2015 by MRC. That is why I publish www.GolfShaftReviews.info Russ, Owner Editor of Golf Shaft Reviews and the TH-cam channel, DevotedGolfer.
I think that PX Riptide was a very close match had we been up against a 505xx.
That said the Motore F3 in whatever profile shape it has, won the day for Mr Shortgame at least.
@@EFGMC Hey, I forgot to thank you for bringing my effort to enlighten golfers about golf shafts to your audience. My aim is to bring science to into a market dominated by mythology. You are doing an excellent job at that yourself.
youre the man! subscription earned!
How would you co.pare the Fujikura airspeeder to the Autoflex? I read online it's Fujikura's version of the Autoflex, and another TH-camr compared them, and they were similar, but that was more of a subjective type of comparison. So im wondering what your thoughts are about it
This absolutely works! Fujikura Motore x F3 r2 flex. Actually works better than actual autoflex. DROP driver loft, or else shots will balloon with high spin and high launch. You want less loft with low spin and high launch.
Are you sure you don't mean the EF CB 5.0 5R? Which is 52 grams and still 6 grams less than the Motore? The CB 40 5.0 is only 45 grams. The 505x and xx are both in 50s. Can't imagine any hitter at 105+ ss hitting a 45 gram shaft and certainly dont see how it compares to the Motore.
Wow that's crazy! I can't wait for you to get the Elite Golf school going....I definitely want to attend this and learn more about this...and who knows....?
Got the keys today. Now have to start moving in and setting up!
Thanks for a great video. I'm going to try this for myself being a senior golfer and always looking for more distance
I have a mitsubishi bassara w series 50 hi flex A shaft. Would a Mitsubishi bassara W series 50 HI A flex be similar? I'm hitting my driver about 260-280 with a Tensei whit AV 6g gram stiff flex , not sure of my swing speed
Accidentally experienced the autoflex feel. Tried out my daughter’s Tour Edge driver with a senior flex at the driving range couple months ago before seeing this video. Swung easy at first but took a rip at one and was surprised at the result. Straight and hit the 220yd net at the back of the range 3/4 ways up. I play x flex 60 Ventus tr red in a Ping G430max. Going have to look for a poor man’s autoflex. 👍🏾
Where is the link for the guy who measures the bend points on the shafts you recommended
www.golfshaftreviews.info
Thanks. Keep up the good work. I am a fellow youtuber.
So what specs would I be looking at in the Motore F3 or the EF CB if my swing speed is 90 mph? Your average swinger.
There are a ton of good shafts out there that for us regular weekend golfers that are so much better than the crappy stock shafts.
I picked up a Grapalloy red 60g x stiff for 85 with the Srixon tip. Did the pxg challenge and I’ll be applying my 100 to a 4i for my gen5 set
Very informative!!
I ordered the riptide shaft based on your research.
I’m anxious to give it a try. If it works it’s a steal !!
For me Why I would go for auto flex is Very soft attack and forgiving important things is they softer & lighter so that you not going to injury your body 💓But thank again I know you trying to save people money and that is a nicest thing to do 💗💕🙇🏻♂️🥰
This man does know what he is talking about, people get ripped off about shafts all the time. With heavy swing weighting you can make the shafts even better believe it or not. It’s a hobby of mine to destroy golf shafts with some really out side the box thinking. And I do add a lot of weight to the heads as well. Keep laughing but what works is all that matters. I sometimes spray the shaft black, stops the abuse.
Great vids!
Is the 40 4.0 the ladies version? Or can we do 5.0 45g too?
It will all be based on where you are coming from in weight and flex.
Thanks for the info. I would think most people really don't know the bend points and flexibility of their shafts.
How do I contact your for some questions?
Email
adam@elitefitgolf.com
Motore shafts come in the Tour Edge Exotics XCG-4 Drivers/woods. You can pull the heads off and still eat your cake. Cheerios..
A golf club has a lightweight flexible shaft with a heavy block of wood or metal (called the head of the club) at the end. A golfer making a long shot off the tee uses a driver, a club whose 300 g head is much more massive than the 46 g ball it will hit. The golfer swings the driver so that the club head is moving at 43 m/s just before it collides with the ball. The collision is so rapid that it can be treated as the collision of a moving 300 g mass (the club head) with a stationary 46 g mass (the ball); the shaft of the club and the golfer can be ignored.
Have you also looked at head weight. I used autoflex and got more from it when I got to a specific head weight. This left me to conclude that the tip stiffness was influenced and in the end I could use anything if the tip stiffness was in the same ball park.
The Autoflex recommends dropping head weight to get to what I would call pretty arbitrary swing weights. Like many other elements here, dropping weight will allow you to swing the club faster and gain speed not from the shaft but just from physics. It does also as you said stiffen the shaft a bit and that can help control what would otherwise be too whippet for some golfers.
Anyone tried an Atmos?
Can’t find the evenflow shaft anywhere. Anybody know where I can find?
When you built the riptide shaft did you do any special tip trimming? When I tested the AutoFlex shaft and compared it to my gamer I was surprised with its accuracy. I’ve thought about testing a lighter shaft and dropping from an Xflex down to regular but tipping the shaft 1-2 inches to see if it’s possible to retain a tighter strike pattern as the autoflex strike pattern was twice as large as my tour ad VR at the same shaft length. I never miss in the heel but I missed low heel to high toe with the autoflex as opposed to center to high toe miss with my gamer. I thought this might be to shaft droop from a weaker tip section.
PX shaft was straight in, butt cut only. It was a good bit stiffer than the 505 he was hitting. The PX would be a good match against the 505xx I am sure.
As far as misses go, this idea clearly won't work for everyone. Some swings will not jive with a light flexible shaft and need something more heavy and rigid.
However if the Autoflex is a good match for your swing, then these other shafts I highlighted will also provide similar results.
Remember tipping a shaft only changes flex slightly. One inch of tipping = 1/2 a flex move up.
It would have been interesting to see his results against the ventus red 6x he got fitted at fujikura and currently plays. Curious if he tried the motore f3 at half the ventus price.
If you don’t make 6 figures with golf a year, this video does nothing but makes me not want to play golf anymore…
Great Video and Info! I bought the evenflow CB 40 in seniorflex for 65€ and see if it performes similar to SF 505. I like the Autoflexshaft even it costs a bunch but gives me extra 4-5 mph Clubheadspeed compared to regular or stiff flex shafts. Downside are surly the costs and it sometimes hooks on me. Maybe the dispersion of the evenflow is a bit thighter.
The closer the alternate shaft is to the Autoflex, the closer the result will be. I think the 40 in 4.0 will be a little stiffer than the 505 so it might curb some of the hooks.
I want to start doing some of my own regripping etc....what's a good shaft clamp for my vise and where can I get one? you don't have an old one lying around do you? :D.
This is crazy. Evenflow Red and Auto are my favorite shafts.
So a year later I wonder if this applies to the BRAVA as well??
Mr. Short game was playing the wrong autoflex shaft ..at his swing speed he should have been using at least a 505X.
His autoflex results may have been much better…!!
Great video ,please try again with the 505 x or 505xx
I have been using the autoflex and moving up or down the flex range makes a huge difference..
The autoflex is also extremely dependant on head weight…did you find the optimum head weight?
A fool and his money are soon departed as the saying goes and you are no fool. Keep up the good work at informing us amateurs.
I`m now using the EvenFlow Riptide CB 40 5.0 in my driver with 105-108Mph club head speed. Which shaft should I use for my 3Wood? What swing weight would you play?
Same flex but one weight class heavier for a 3 wood. Probably drop the SW a couple points.
Hi, love your channel! Do you think the Diamana RF 50 R or the Diamana ZF 40 R2 would match the autoflex? I have 89mph driver swing speed. I wonder what bend point is the autoflex, is it mid or low bend point? Thanks
It has a very soft mid section and tip with a stiffer handle comparatively. I have found the exact profile to be less important however than the weight and flex part.
Great Videos mobile clubmakers golf! PXG has a sale on 0211 drivers with riptide shafts. I have a Swingspeed between 95-100 mph. Can you recommend if i should get the L flex to try to copy the Autoflex?? I use stiff tensie blue right now at 44.75 which i hit pretty good.
That would be the closest match to the 505 Autoflex which is what they would recommend for your swing speed.
@ Mobile Clubmaker Golf - Do you adjust the Swingweight after you add the ultralight shaft?
Yes, if you are following what Autoflex says to do.
Wasn’t the thought process behind the Autoflex was To go around 46-48” build ? Right now I play a 55g Reg Tensei Orange. Hit it well. Would worry about dispersion going 10g lighter, L flex and 47” or longer
Thanks AJ, I had watched this video last year, saved it and have now re-watched it. You really are great. I will let you know how I make out. Take care.
I need a lighter shaft!! Using a Mitsubishi Grand Bassara 29 Graphite Shaft -- Need been through a lot so afraid it will break soon-- should I get an autoflex? is there anything comparable to it?
That's the whole point here. There are many many options that will do the same thing as a Autoflex. Harder part will be finding 30g shaft options. Grand Bassera in Light flex or Fujikura Air Speeder would be two options. Fujikura also makes a 45g Vista Pro that would stack up well I think.
Fantastic Video AJ. Thanks. All your videos are so informative.
I have been looking for new shafts in my driver , 3 wood and 5 wood should you use the same shaft for each club.
I currently play stiff shafts but if I have the motore X f3 5-R instead of senior flex, could I put that counter balance weight on the grip end to make flex softer? What do you think? Thanks
The counter balance would not change the flex. You could add more weight to the head to soften it.
I have a question. Its weight is indicated on the shaft, for example 85 grams. Is it weight per meter?
How does the Fujikura Ventus Blue 5 R2 compare to the Motore X 5 R2?
Should be close but I have not tried the Blue R2.
Great video. AF has great marketing and what they sell works for many.. at a price. Thanks for the comparisons, butt and tip flex/frequency weight should allow a similar comparison.
After watching some long drive guys builds I got hooked on a light flexible 48” combination and gained a lot of distance (after a lot of practice with this setup) I use a Grafalloy Prolaunch Blue 45 “A” flex $45 in a Ping g400 LST adjusted to 6 degree and get great launch and spin numbers. While maybe not for everyone I like it!!
Your comment prompted me to get the same shaft for my stealth.
R flex with the head at 6* has been incredible.
Nice!! How about the Paderson Kinetixx velocity?? Heard AF copied this shaft
Going to have to research that. Not sure??
Its been a nightmare trying to find that white F3 lite shaft
Hi.. Thanks for the video! would a fuji kura ventus red 5 / r2 flex work as well? Does it have a similar profile to the motore x F3 5 r2?
It's pretty close. The most important part is the weight and flexy feel so I think it would work.
Love the video! Thinking of trying this out. Currently gaming project x 6.5 60g. Should I go down to 5.5 40g or 5.0 40g? Thanks for your help! Great videos!
Could go either way. The 5.0 from my experience was stiffer than the Fuji shafts I used so I think the 5.0 would be more Autoflexy.
@Mobile Clubmaker. Hey AJ, what do you think of the Grafalloy PFC 50 Series? It is an older high launch/low spin shaft. Would a senior flex have a similar profile to the Motore F3?
Not sure about PFC. ProLaunch is always a good shaft.
Only issue I have is any shaft that claims high launch low spin is just flat out lying. Launch and spin go hand in hand, don't get one without the other.
Is the autoflex shaft, the same as uniflex of late 90’s?
I have the fujikura motore f3 5 r2 that i got in a package deal lot and wasn't sure if it was for me due to the light weight and flex, but after you video and Mr. Shortgame video I think I need to add a new adapter for my new Callaway and give this a try. Lucky Me after looking up the price of a new one of these, about $200 which is a far cry from the Autoflex
In club building I found that often price was a better seller than performance. The average amateur and even the better golfer’s swing wasn’t as repeatable as they thought it was. That always skewed the results and lead to a logical decision to spend money on lessons.
I do think the shaft is the engine of the club when you consider performance but just like the open road most people need to drive the reliable 4 door sedan because they will never need that 700hp exotic super car. They simply need to get from tee (point A) to green (point B).
Keep up the great content!!!
You put a granny in an 800 HP car, she can go as fast as Bryson. You fit granny in Bryson's driver shaft, how far does she hit her drives?
@@lkae4 I understand your point that’s why I said most people. Same for bikinis. Granny could wear it but should she…..
@@ocashflo My example shows the shaft is not the engine. That's my point. Please stop using this false metaphor.
@@lkae4 what is the engine of the club then?
@@ocashflo I would say the closet thing would be the club face. Some are hotter than others to the point where they are illegal. There you go.
The shaft is more like the suspension. Some people like it stiff, some like it plush. Whatever you prefer that helps you drive the way you want with the most confidence and enjoyment is the point of a shaft.