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The Detroit Red Wings are not in cap hell
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ย. 2024
- The Detroit Red Wings, after signing their RFA's, will be close to the cap for the '24-'25 season. This has some Red Wings fans concerned they are already in cap hell. But are they really? #LGRW
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I'm with you guys... I'm not a fan of Copp's contract, or Holl's contract, but I'm also happy we didn't just throw money and term at UFAs hitting the market this year. I'm happy with the slow burn we're taking, as opposed to throwing that money and term at a guy who might get $7m for seven years, but only be good for 3-4 of 'em. But I'd also argue that it doesn't matter whether we bridge Ray and Mo or not, not in the end, anyway. The players undoubtedly want the bridge, and the front office will want the long term deal. But it doesn't matter because, by the time they get re-signed again in a few years, there will be plenty of cap space to compensate for it.
37 million more cap space in the next 2 years while having the core signed doesnt seem like they are cap strapped at all.
I personally think it would be smart when extending Raymond and Sieder, both long term but off set, one of them 8yr and other at 7yrs. Or 7yrs, 6yrs. That way at the end of those contracts Yzerman wouldnt have to deal with both of them again at the same
Yzerman has done a great job staggering the expiration of these placeholder veteran contracts and aligning them with the expiration of our top prospects' ELCs. the plan/structure is clear if you're paying attention.
"Don't worry about the contract! The cap will go up!" -Shanahan to Dubas after signing Mitch Marner.
I need one of these for the Grand Rapids Rise
I would like to see Seider and Raymond signed to 8 year deals, but given what Stevie did in Tampa, I am expecting bridge deals.
I hope we got an all star defensemen if not well dont think it will be good a good as we are anticipating.
Hopefully rantanen makes it to market next season and we can give him 11 million, he’s the player the wings need
Moose would be awesome.
Guys, Yzerman DOESNT do long-term on contracts after ELC. That's just not going to happen. He didn't for Kucherov, point, noone. 8 years is NOT going to happen.
8 years would be now. Not at their UFA start point. You sign long term while RFA now to give you flexibility at the mid point when the team is looking to add finishing touches. The cap goes up as well so the contracts eat up less percentage of the cap -making it a good deal by percentage.
@chasem-jw9rn he literally said in an interview at the draft that he was trying to sign Raymond to a long term deal
Raymond and Seider will cost a TON if you want long term deals...
You are “cap strapped” when you’re paying teams high round draft picks for cap dumps i.e. Walman, Fabbri
A 4th is a high draft pick? I agree a 2nd was a bit much but it was nashvilles second that originally belonged to Tampa so even that wasn’t that high of a second, nevertheless that high of a pick. And if you haven’t noticed we are no longer in a situation where we need draft picks that aren’t our own it just doesn’t make sense for where the team is at now
@DominicR-19 A 4th to unload a good player is still rough.. I liked the Taresenko signing until I found out about the Fabbri trade, blue line got worse and depth wasn't fixed.
A team is "cap strapped" when they need to do any of the following. Cost-cutting trades (e.i. including picks as sweetness) or buy out a player's contract (often bad contracts). Shed salary via offseason trades including picks (e.i. Fabbri) and finally when a team has less than 5/Mil left in pure cap space to spend at the upcoming TDL.
There won't be enough money left to sign Veleno! You dumped 2 contracts by giving away draft picks. These moves were done because you signed some bad contracts.
You overvalue a 4th round pick. The going price for a cap dump is a second rounder. St Louis had to do give up the same. Fortunately it was an additional pick which lessens the blow.
I think Seider and Raymond will not want to sign long-term deals! I think that is probably the sticking point in signing these guys.
It's absolutely possible. They could want short term deals that will allow them to take advantage of the rising cap in a few years.
always there is risk involved. Possibly performance regression. Possibly injury and then regression from injury possibly long term. These things should not be ignored.
We're not "cap strapped".
Yzerman has had his ideal time frame in place and it's quite apparent when you see how our contracts are structured to expire at the 25-26 off season.
The 26-27 season is obviously where Yzerman expects to have the prospects up at the next level and we will have plenty of options whether that be with solely our prospects or some FA transactions.
Is it bad to give up a 2nd rounder in a cap dump? Yes, not ideal. 2-3 other teams did the same thing.
I dont think the number are on your side of the argument. If they both signed 3 yr $5m bridge deals and then 7 year even $8.5 or $9m deals thats a total value of $78m for 10 yrs. An 8 yr $8m is $64m. I dont see either of them signing for years 9 and 10 at $7m AAV which is what would be needed to make the money work as early 30s players still in their prime. If they sign an 8 yr deal now. Bridge deal on the front end is almost always gonna cost the team less. Unless you think we're 3 years away from $10m D-men or that Raymond will score 40-50 goals each of the next 2-3 years??
Obviously Seider and Raymond are not satisfied with Yzerman's long term contract offers. That's why a bridge contract may be needed. Even with our two best young players and with veterans in their prime, Walman,, Sprong, Ghost and Fabbri (58 goals) we didn't make the playoffs last year. The team will regress this year and Lalonde admitted as much. That's why we give Yzerman crap.
Cap strapped? 😂😂😂 No. Every team has to dump a little cap from time to time to mak4 moves. Having a few bad contracts comibg off the books in a few years is no big deal.
Yzerman has made some bad contract deals. We thought bad contracts left when Ken Holland was run out of the job. Would be a lot better off if he had got more of the future stars on the ice with fewer veteran signings. Hopefully Husso and Copp will play great and they can be dumped with the wings paying a chunk of their contracts.
I have that same hat
Finally!! Someone who knows what they are talking about!
Nice hat by the way
How about this trade. Valeno and holl for Evans and armia
Why would Montreal do that?...Evans has proven more then Veleno and Armia just had great season and Montreal has a crowded blue line and well Holl is awful.
@@AceMatthew25414same reason we shipped out walman an fabbri free up cap space.
Cap is merely a suggestion. 16 teams were over the cap last season and 10 of those 16 made playoffs. Some GMs are playing chess while most are playing checkers. You show me a team that isn't "cap strapped" and I'll show you a league bottom feeder with a clueless GM.
YzerHell!
A non playoff team in cap trouble. Montreal, Chicago, San Jose arent in cap trouble and will make the playoffs first
Those teams were all 1 point out of the playoffs? Detroit is a completive team even without any top 5 picks. Who are the super star signings by those teams?
@@user-qs5mr1iw5cTop 3 pick superstars who will be difference makers in the future. Detroit has none of those like Bedard, Cellebrini, Fantilli. Detroit prospects are 2nd and 3rd line depth pieces and we have no 1C. Sorry Larkin is a 2C on good teams
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what cap trouble?
Dump the bloated contracts and bring in the rookies. That'll solve cap hell.
These podcast guys like they think they really know the business.
What cap hell?
What players would you dump and can they?
It's more than just that, you need these guy like Ray and Seider taking team deals.
@@a.N..... Send Holl down to Grand a
Rapids for one. He most likely will not clear waivers.
I see you have joined the clickbaiting world.
How are we cap strapped when we don’t have any talent? Sorry I’m off the wagon. We need change
We're not strapped. That's what this whole episode is laying out for you lol
They will be near the cap though
@grmacs95 yes, definitely.
Barring any move involving Husso; we're probably going to be right up against the cap ceiling. Mo and Ray are likely to fetch 7.5-8.5m for long term deals or 6.5-7m for bridge deals.
Veleno is probably going to be around the 1.5-1.8 and Burgers will be around the 1m mark.
Agree. But SY has 10 mil in wasted dumb signings
get off the wagon and don't come back
What do these knuckle heads see in Seider? If Seider gets paid tons of money and performs like crap, I'll certain remember this conversation with these two podcast guys.
@@cac5486 because seider is actually very good. I watched about 60 games last season for Detroit. He played more mins against the toughest opponents then anyone in the league and came out pretty damn good especially considering his age and lack of help
@@cac5486 the line he played on was with walman and that line did fairly well. Looking at Walmans def metrics it shows who was carrying that weight
Clearly you havent watched Seider play at all. The majority of people who watch hockey agree that Seider deserves to get paid big time.
Do you think either of these guys have a say in how much Seider gets paid? Or you're just that petty you can't wait to tell them they are wrong? Are you going to come back and apologize when Seider earns every dollar he gets?
Gee, RHD top pairing D. They get paid for being slightly above average. Seider is in the Very Good to hopefully Elite range. Deployment may help maximize his offense as it seemed he had to be a defensive work horse.
This team is going to be the softest team in the league bar none. Probably pretty boring to watch too. Not going to make the playoffs for sure.
Your clearly a Pittsburgh fan since you think know alot about soft teams. LGRW
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obvious bait, you're even bad at trolling