Koenig Arius M390 vs Magnacut edge retention battle. Which one do you think will take the win?
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- Koenig Arius M390 vs Magnacut edge retention battle. Which one do you think is going to take the win? I'll cover factory as delivered testing, first sharpening and the normal test with verification. As well as sharpening and what the hardness is on each one.
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Edge retention testing data sheets
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Great video, very in depth comparison, appreciate the content!
Great information. Thank you for making this informational video!
G really good video. It’s nice to see the hrc coming in close to spec. Thanks for all your work testing and thanks for sharing brother 👊
You're welcome
I was glad to see those come through for you. Some brands do not live up to their reputation, these do.
Great vid G and pretty good results. Thanks for the effort 👍😁
Awsome stuff. Great job by Koenig , solid M390. Thanks for the testing and the video.
You're welcome
Man, I love the data sheet you put together. Thank you.
You're welcome
I miss it lol
@@Outpost_76I didn't find a data sheet. Hard to keep up with all your testing. Like to see results charted.
Impressive results!
Thanks for the testing. Maybe one day ....
This is one of my grail knives for sure. Just a beautiful knife, perfect size and that grind and blade shape is “chef’s 💋!”
Wow that M390 did awesome, ik you were skeptical of how it would do when we talked about the factory edges, but it looks like König came through
Good shared insight, thank you.
You're welcome
We miss you. I hope you're back online soon!
Excited to see how the Deka does in Magnacut
I've had the video done for over a month now. I just need to get it published, the move ate up all my time this past month.
Looking forward to the Hogue Deka test. I’d like to see you compare it to the Bugout
I may do a video about that. I definitely prefer one over the other.
@@Outpost_76 just ordered a Deka Gen 2, and am on the fence about adding a bugout to the collection as well. It would be great to see your take comparing them.
Well done koening. Glad to see this. Still I dislike the model design when I tried one out. Great quality and would love a different design, cause I'm not buying one of these.
Interesting. I would hope a knife as much as they go for would have a good ht, but we all know that so far price hasn't really been an across the board factor. I have a magnacut Bradford Guardian 3.5, but I don't know how that would compare being a thicker grind fixed blade. So far I'm still on the factory edge, but haven't got a ton of use on it, and what little use I do have was on wood, so a whole different medium so I can't really make any kind of judgement on it yet.
Hey Timbo I have the guardian 3.5 with kydex sheath, I made a wider bevel so it's cutting way better now. Hope you are doing well. Greetings
Koenig does a solid job. The non flipper is up there with Shiro and the like. That's some pretty solid company to be in.
It did well and you'll be happy with it.
Heard a guy in New Zealand who was using a new sharpening method that improved his M390 rope test from 600 cuts to 900 cuts. Something about using a 450 grit in 1 edge and a 2000 grit on the other.
Pete at the Cedric and Ada TH-cam channel tests and demonstrates this
Saw the video where he did the cut test and talked about the method, but he'd said someone else actually did the sharpening, so there wasn't a demo.
@@drakenkorin38 There is one where he does it. You found the wrong video
@@andrewfournier8817tom hosang outdoors tested it, and it didn't improve. The guy in new Zealand tried different steels and it didn't always work.
I can't wait to see the other Magnacut at different heat treating. By the way, I can't see the Magnacut in your spreadsheet?
There are 6 there with results. I'm going to do a video covering all the tabs of the spreadsheet.
I have a gen4B9 20cv really want a magnacut.
I'm waiting to see how the Hogue does, curious if they really are going to hit that 61-63 HRC as advertised.
When did they advertise that? News to me.
@@tacticalcenter8658 Check the official website.
I just ordered one of those, black coating bleh but it was in dtock.
Now it’s 62-64. And I believe mine is between that based on shapening. But that’s just a belief not a garuntee
@@theknifeconnection9571 Yeah they got called out early on about it being a little softer than optimum and as they have always done they addressed it
I've got the exact same as your milled literally same knife except with flipper and with 20cv
Transparent knives has hardness tested 3 koenig's. Two in m390 and one in 20cv and they were all 62rc. 20cv was 61.9rc basically 62. Which is basically the same as your spyderco m390 at 62 and reates secondary hardening at 60rc. 400ft.
Can you explain, or is there a video explaining metal fatigue? Also, have you tested or plan to test Herman knives?
The easiest explanation for fatigue is bending a paper clip until it breaks. That's what happens when yoi strop and edge many many times during continuous use without sharpening. I have not but if I get the opportunity I'll test Herman knives.
@@Outpost_76 I guess I understand that, but why then would a factory edge perform poorly due to fatigue? Are the factory edges stropped heavily?
Also, wouldn't the 2nd and 3rd resharpened edges perform better and better in terms of endurance just because the thickness bte is greater? Rather than because of a fatigue being sharpened away?
Maybe I heard wrong but it seemed like the edge was performing better after resharpening because the metal was fresh. I would think it's geometry instead?
@@Phiz787 edges from the factory in most cases are sharpened and stropped using high speed belts and or wheels. This creates heat which causes fatigue. When that and the abrasive is combined you get metal fatigue and over heating to some degree.
The geometry has little to no effect on how well a steel or knife is going to do on non binding materials like cardboard.
Was it the flipper delete or the texturing that made the m390 feel better? Or was it both?
Both, the milled texture and no flipper pushing against your finger made all the difference.
Any experience with m390 on the original Benchmade Ritter Grips?
Benchmade m390 not that good at all.
Did the m390 come with no flipper or did you have that done?
It's a non flipper Arius
This shows just how superior MagnaCut is. The fact you won't see chips like on m390 or take forever to sharpen those chips out. The all around great qualities of MagnaCut make it such a winner.
This is kinda crappy on both for such an expensive knife
Benchmade is using inferior heat treatment on their M390 on the bugout. 58-61 RHC instead of 61-62. Makes it easier to sharpen but lessens edge retention.
@drakenkorin38 wouldn't expect anything less from a company that dontates to political campaigns of politicians whose sole shtick is stripping American citizens of their rights
M390 doesnt chip for me. You probably have a burnt edge or misusing it. Plus m390 archives higher edge retention even when magnacut is one rc harder.
Jim Skelton tied a 62rc m390 knife to his car and dragged it without any chips.
Maybe someone should show this to “another brand” who claims 59-61 hrc is perfectly fine for m390/20cv/204p.
Don't you dare drag that clown in here 😤
Microtech? I’ve been wanting an ultratech but they’re pricey if they do run their “super steels” soft probably to save money during manufacturing
@@ricksmith7232 he’s probably talking about the horse brand.
Great comparison thank you Sir. I own both and I am extremely happy with MC and M390 to the point that I have hard time choosing a flipper for the day 😂😂😂
I know my Kershaw link m390 is hard to beat
Nice review I do have a non flipper with m390 but recently bought a flipper with CPM 20 CV, I have nott receieved it yet, what do you think it would be?
It would have to be tested to find out. Even consistent companies can have higher or lower examples.
What brand? I assume it would be no more than 60rc meaning it won't hit over 230ft cut and possibly less.
So we want magnacut at 63+? The m390 did well. Be nice to get these results with a sub $500 knife 😏
The bento box paramilitary 2 in m390 did about as good if I’m not mistaken spyderco does a pretty decent heat treat on m390 nowadays. I think 62.5-63.5 is the butter one on magnacut
Kershaw link in m390 is 🔥 if u can find them
Holy shite, $1000 on eBay for one of these???!!!! bonkers
personally.......i say....screw that magnacut.....m390 ....better .... with these 2 examples....tempest can run his Mag.....to out cut both of these....leads me to think....heat treat....makes ALL the difference....your videos are the best...by far....NO ONE is better than your videos.....oh.....thinner geometry....mattered TOO....yes
.... not sure how you perceive m390 as "better"... considering magnacut has more than double the toughness... more stain resistant.... much easier to sharpen.... and has equivalent edge retention.
What’s with all the … …. …
Morse code?
@@kriskielley729yeah kinda hard to understand his madness
@@goawaybaizuono edge retention of magnacut is significantly worse
@@byjynydjshsnny2430 that's patently false. I'd believe it on low RC/bad heat treated magnacut. However, magnacut in the 63-65rc range is fantastic at keeping an edge. At least better than the M390 I've used. Admittedly, I've never had super high RC custom m390. Magnacut is definitely more heat treat dependent than m390. Soft Chinese m390 isn't absolutely awful, but bad magnacut is.
Spending over 150 on a knife seems crazy no matter how much money one has.
Depends who you ask, I could easily sell my magnacut textured aruis for about $1100. I paid 700 for it.
Crazy world. 1100 dollar for a knife that titanium scales will be scratched up after 1 use.
@@dkperu8558 Save up and you might be able to enjoy one some day.
Believe me I can afford it easily. I am just not a mindless consumer.
@@dkperu8558 to each their own. I enjoy both of them, and definitely don't mind the cost.