It would be fantastic. Also there's the EX5/7 which was amazing. Yamaha should listen to customer request and it's a little puzzle for me why they don't make this dream synth?
This is great .... In other words YAMAHA please build a new EX5 series :-) which had 4 killer engines already AWM, VL , AN, and FDSP back 13+ years ago, it's a shame that Yamaha has abandoned this. #YamahaCorporation Edit: We need a Yamaha version of the Kronos aka. the latest & greatest (SSD direct streaming, USB, Firewire, Touch Display, Breath Controller etc.)
Wow! That sounds amazing! If they did build a synth like that and put it out at a reasonable price, it would sell like crazy! Well done Ujiie as always! You are THE MAN!!!
Looks like Yamaha listened to you, with the next rompler workstation (yamaha Montage) also having a FM engine onboard. (missing VA but usually you can fake it using the filter on the wave or FM section!)
No) Ujiie-san just working with Yamaha since the 80s (DX, TX, SY, VL, Motif series) - he is a famous sound designer and programmer, musician (see "Katsunori Ujiie Super Project" band) also synth expert and senior member of the JASPA - Japanese Synthesizer Programmers Association =)
Love the little FM module, FS1R with choir sounds. Actually, Yamaha has already released a great FM synth, back in the 1980's, the Yamaha DX7. Even with its 80's technology, the DX7 can produce amazing male & female choir sounds with breathtaking realism, even without filters. Personally, I love to see a revolution of the FM synthesis engine, because it's packed with untapped potentials, even the original DX7!. Long live FM!
Now they need to add the AN to the Montage in the next update, and we will get this "Dream Synthetizer" (which is nothing else than a remake of the great EX-5, with a better UI)
Thank you for a very nice demo and great proposal. My Yamaha dream synth would be a combination of SY-99, EX-7, AN1x and FS1R, plus some MOX/Motif-features, a fully-blown sequencer with MIDI and audio, masterkeyboard functions, good onboard effects and at least 4 single outs. The price for a machine like this is another discussion, though...
price shouldn't be another discussion, it should be in the same range of the Kronos 61-88 key series. multi-engine, SSD streaming, current features and what not. Don't give Yamaha any reasons to spike the price ;-)
With the Montage, you mostly got your wish. The FM-X engine on the Montage is just as good as the FS1R (except for the formant sequences and filters). The AWM sampling is better than the Motif. And it doesn't have analog modelling, but the basic analog modules are available and can be deeply stacked in voices. The main thing that is still missing is the physical modelling of the EX5, and the effects that were available on that unit. Even so, you can usually get any sound that you would want on a Montage.
How would you do it? Layout becomes harder as you have more and more parameters, and FS1R is loaded with parameters... kinda like a DX7, except twice as heavy thanks to the extra operators, noise operators, pitch envelopes, filter and effects. And that's not even going into FSeqs. It has to be possible to cram all this on a panel by overloading every button with 3 or 4 functions but I don't want to see the result...
I didn't say I needed all parameters on the front panel, I wanted a smart frontpanel. Gives me what I need the most. I'm pretty sure it's possible. Example. You can have the most common parameters of 1 operator layed out on the front panel, then you have operator select buttons for each. Same for the two filters. Effects. Just see how the nord keyboards in a smart way implement pretty nice effect controls using very little space. I've done som Corel Draw drawings showing how I would like it, looks doable to me.
Robbinsffxi That's true, although you'd still end up with something like the JD-800 - lots of sliders, switching between multiple oscillators, many parameters still accessed through menus...
Or more like a Multiple display config. The Solaris does have more parameters then a FS1r I believe, and John Bowen made the frontpanel pretty clean. I don't know why he made it so big though, could be more compact in size. I think more like a Supernova II keyboard sized keyboard would be doable. Thinking the panel covers only 1 operator, and you use operator select buttons to switch operator to tweak, only there you will reduce parameters by maybe 7/8 of them. Most of the parameters are within the Operators. So let's say you have a Supernova II Shaped chassis, then you use like 2/3 of it for Operator and EG stuff, then the rest is for like patch browsing filters, effects, mod section and arpeggiator controls. Then each section should have a menu button for access to additional less commonly used parameters, or each button and knob can have different color coded functions like the AN1x, where each knob can do 4 different things. I see a lot of oppurtunities here to make it smaller then a JD800.
Robbinsffxi Right... actually I think the JD800 had the right idea (multiple layers of oscillator-filter-amplifier with an envelope on each component to keep the routing simple and individual sliders), it just had too many envelope points. They reused the design for the Gaia SH-01 and it seems to work, people seem to find that synth easy to use - even though it has 9 envelopes per voice! It's easy to see how you could do a nicely usable AWM2 (ADPCM rompler) + FM + subtractive emulation this way without going to the length of having an LCD screen for every knob like the Solaris... Consider an FM element as a carrier+modulator pair and route the "filter cutoff" to modulator volume. This way you can reuse the same knobs for the AWM2 slice, FM slice, or even a yamaha CS80 osc+filter+amp slice. Then you only need to use an LCD for variable parameters for the osc section. By combining 3 FM slices together, you can already do the DX7's algorithm 5 & 6 (3 stacks of modulator+carrier) in a nice, easy to understand package. Then add some extra slice combination parameters to allow special modulation paths - for instance routing a slice's output to the modulation input of another slice, which would a simulation of DX7 algo 1 & 2 for instance. With enough slices and enough flexibility in special routings, you could cover all algorithms on the DX7, and easily allow something like "RCM" like on the SY99. This also has the benefit of giving a nice way to add panning carrier/modulator pairs - stereo depth adds a lot to any sound and most FM synthesizers have been lacking in that department.
Well... I've got a VL70m, all four refaces, the AN200 and the DX200. Next one will definitely be the MOXF6. So I think I can make a Yamaha DreamSynth myself if I connect them over MIDI. Can't wait. :)
Great combination... Yamaha had kind of a "Dream Combo" in one device, the EX5... Somehow, I was not happy when they released the Motif where everything was extra... I still have my EX5r... Unfortunately, I sold my AN1x...
It already happened long ago but Yamaha abandoned the idea. The Motif ES with PLG150-DX for FM and PLG150-AN for AN Virtual Analog. It's the reason I've kept my ES8 with PLGs. Also have the XF but it's not quite the same as the ES. The EX5 is possibly another solution from the past but under powered. I also would not include the FS1R.
Why not? Is there something wrong with the FS1R? ...you know it's literally 2 of the same FM generating chips as the PLG150DX but without all the silly firmware limitations that has, and plus a tonne of huge and totally unrivalled new features, right?
Dear UjieSan You are great demo and keyboardist keep up the good work I am debating on whether to get Arturia Origin or Yamaha Motif....any ideas which one would be more enjoyable?
+emilshere UJIIE-san rarely responds to questions. A year has passed since you made your inquiry so I assume you made a choice. What did you get and how do you like it?
+YouzTube99 hi! Thanks for asking I went with the Arturia Origin and I love it. I wanted something strictly for synth sounds and sequencing. The programming capabilities on it are very powerful also. Im happy with it yes!
+emilshere Terrific! I was going to ask how you were going to use it -- until I saw the date you posted. You definitely made the best choice for your needs! Did you get the desktop or keyboard? And is Arturia continuing to update the firmware and sounds?
Fantastic synths! but, for a "Dream Synth" you have to add, Yamaha VL1. There are another brands like Kawai K5000s, Ensoniq FIZMO, Alesis Andromeda and the newer analog synth. All unique synths. Thank you !!
The sound you're hearing in the video is the recorded direct audio output of the synths, not recorded with a microphone through the speakers. The speakers are there just for Ujiie-san to hear what he's doing. :)
I don't understand japanese unfortunately, but I have to say that this kind of layered synthesis is totally possible, the problem with it isn't calculation power, and it's not really R&D, but it's interface... FS1R is nice but it has so many parameters, and layering it with an analog simulation and ADPCM sample layers multiplies this problem! So yeah, you will get this kind of synthesizer... the day someone invents a usable interface to deal with it!
I'd buy it.. The problem is Yamaha, who seem to have moved away from synthesis altogether (well, at least they did something in bringing it back with the reface series). See, FS1R was a flop, but people see how amazing they are now and WOULD buy it, and Yamaha don't get it. An1X, well, best VA of all time, period. Motif have always been strong sample based stuff.. Yeah, combine all three? Indeed Heaven.. But to be honest I'd be happy at this stage with a reissue of the FS1R, just make it easier to edit. That's it. It would sell. And stop the ludicrous price gouging on ebay. Some Japanese store seems to have bought them all, they were going for 700 USD, now all are over 1500 USD. No one else seems to have them to sell. Would love to see Yamaha re release it with all the sounds it ever had, and some new ones, for 399 LOL. That would show em!
Was that proposal the beginning stage of the Montage? Because it's here as I,m sure you're well aware of. Were you trying to give us a hint sir? We're trying to connect the dots. Did you program the Montage? By the way no English caption. I know you're probably somewhere @ Namm but whenever you get a chance.
Yeah, I like CS6x. Not only looks are great, but feel of the keyboard as well, and the multimode filters sound fantastic, plus, you got all the AN, VL, or DX expansions if you like. There's really no need for Motif when you have CS6x. Very high quality synth.
I really wish Yamaha reissued the VP1. That was a dream synthesizer, and so it remains to this day, only a dream. VL1 was also great. As well as the SY77/SY99 with their excellent FM capabilities. In other words, great products over the years from Yamaha. A little sad thing is that Yamaha is leaving us synth enthusiasts with PCM playback synths only today. Great multimode filters and all, but still, it's just PCM.
Andrew Piatek Not entirely a dream. Chick Corea owns a VP1 prototype and he used it in his gorgeous tune, "Arabian Nights", on that masterpiece of an album entitled "The Ultimate Adventure". He uses it for the melody. I got that info from the Maestro himself backstage at Blues Alley in DC. I adored that sound so much, I absolutely had to go back to hear him play solo piano a second night, just so I could ask him what I'd forgotten to ask him about; what instrument he had used there. Maybe a VL-1 could do what Chick did with the VP1 there, however, because it's just a melody; monophonic. It all depends on if layers were used. The sound Chick used was just a preset in the prototype given to him by Yamaha. He looked a little apologetic to me when telling me that he hadn't programmed that sound at all. I don't think he's played that live with Touchstone because he never uses a breath controller live, so far as I know. He only did that in his studio. Fun stuff, huh??? Go check out that amazing, soaring melody played on a VP1!! It seemingly goes on forever.
Why did Yamaha stop developing their AN technology? There are so many ways that they could make that even better than it already is. They could make it more multitimbral, they could increase the number of oscillators per voice, increase LFOs, increase the modulation routing options, etc., etc. They made the AN1x and seemed to stop at 10 note, 2 timbre, 2 osc per voice, etc.
It's a shame PLG modules/hosts are not made anymore. I'd love to see one of the newer Motifs stuffed with a newer 10-voice PLG-AN - and a FS1R squeezed into PLG format. Earlier you could get monster combos built literally "of bricks": - MU2000EX+ PLG-AN + PLG-DX + PLG-VL; - CS6X + PLG-AN + PLG-DX; - Motif original + PLG-AN + PLG-DX; - EX5 ;-)
I recall the PLGs being pretty awkward to use in the motif. I'd love Yamaha to revisit their synth tech but would definitely want them to be more mindful of keeping the various techniques integrated.
I remember CS6x, it was great. All the expansions, and fantastic sounding multimode filters. Had a great feel of the keyboard, too. There was no immediate need for the Motif, I'd be satisfied with CS6x to this day.
Another notable piece - the millennium edition Electone organs: 8-op FM, AWM2 sample/synthesis, VA (not Virtual Analog but Virtual Acoustic, so it's more of the VL series), voice editing, velocity/aftertouch/horizontal touch on keyboard...
Unfortunately, I'm not holding any hope for Yamaha (or Roland, for that matter), regarding multi-synthesis workstations. Yamaha dropped the ball after EX-5 turning Motifs into romplers. EX-5 was splendid, if only it wasn't limited by 90s CPU, which resulted in AN parts having max 2 voices of poly, what a terrible shame... Ujiie-san is on the right stream of ideas here. DSPs are a lot more powerful today, so it shouldn't be a problem of having a 16-part multitimbral, multi-synthesis workstation from Yamaha that would allow us at least 32 AN voices, 64 FM/FS voices, 128 stereo (!) AWM voices, and, say, 8 VL voices. All with full FX per part in multimode (insert effects from Program mode retained, along with two Aux busses for reverb/delay sends, say). This would be awesome! And all that in a much less bulky format. Motif looks like a turd - there's just so much unused space there, and it's way too heavy IMHO. Touchscreen on a beast like this is a given, as well. Makes things a lot faster to edit, as far as I'm concerned.
The problem is interface and R&D... If you add a non-rompler part to a synth, it has to be very useful and good sounding, otherwise people will just use the rompler part for everything. This is a problem on the Kawai K5000 - the additive synth part is unique and creative but it's just not quite as good sounding and useful as boring old samples. It's a problem on the Technics WSA-1 - the physical modeling on that just didn't sound good and despite the solid rompler part, the keyboard was not popular and got sold of at bargain prices. Also, to make that kind of synth work well, you need a lot of parameters, and then some people will complain that it it's hard to edit and stay with presets. That being said, the SY77/SY99 (rompler + FM) and D-50 (very early rompler + fake subtractive) did work, although the patches on the D-50 sound very layered.
I think K5000 sounds splendid! (I own one.) I'm not looking at it like "oh shit, it doesn't sound as good as samples", because that's not the POINT of additive synthesis. Its point is to create different kinds of sounds. And they can sound miraculously good when programmed well.
boptillyouflop I own a Kawai K5000s and its one of the most powerful synthesizers ever! There is Envelope generators down to each harmonic and each oscillator have 64 harmonics, and there is up to 6 oscillators in total! Thats the power of K5000 synths.
Yamaha need to make this happen. I will never understand why they left formant shaping out of FM-X, nor why their wasn't a VA engine in Montage, or even an expansion option. The EX5 was the closest they got to Katsunori-san's vision here, just lacking the FS. Yamaha need to get back to making groundbreaking synthesis engines again.
Worth noting that UJIIE-san has worked as a sound designer for Yamaha for decades, hence, 02:21. His demo/review of the Montage is here: th-cam.com/video/wfAxxav4PUU/w-d-xo.html
You can say they already made it .. It's called Korg Kronos :) -sampling engine -check -virtual analog synth -check -fm synth ala Sy77 -check guess yamaha is letting korg produce what they can't get their own management to aprove It took Yamaha 15 years to dare to put a 76key Tyros 5 on the market because of the fail with the P9000Pro release wich was a financial failure. Yamaha has been leading in just about any of the major keyboard techs for 40 years. -Fm synthesis -Sampling -Virtual Modelling -Analog Modelling The world is ready for workstations like the Kronos wich has it all. The cpu power today is getting big enough to accomodate a workstation with 7-8 super VST instruments wich can theoretically be software upgraded, and they can still produce a new version each 3-4 years with faster hardware Lets face it.. its great ine the studio, but how many musicians have the trust in a PC or Mac with Cubase and software synths and a very steep i/o device will NOT lock up some time in the middle of a gig ... /shiver. Yes the Motif XF is still a great workstation, but its still basically just a sample player with some gimmicks added every 3-4 years. I have been hovering over a Motif XF for some time, but with the new Kronos 2 I think I'm in love again ... and it even feels like my old T-3 with dulled out display wich I can hardly read. Wonder when Yamaha will come out with a pan-dang .. even they still smile when Korg is making money too off cause.
Hello Mr. Katsunori-san, Please convince Yamaha do design a synthesizer that includes the AWM2(Sampling),AN（Virtual Analog) and FM/FS Synthesis System, as well as the VL1, FDSP and also the Super Natural 2 Super Articulation2. All this without the need of sequencer since Yamaha already offers Cubase. Very few use the sequencers that are built into the keyboards. Also a rack version of that synthesizer would be very nice in 2 or 4U size, with the ability to do patch editing and librarian in DAWs and tablets. Yamaha needs something fresh as the Motif series has been good, but it reminds me of Toyota cars, very boring and not much innovation.
wishful thinking! if they have only not abounded it in the first place aka EX5 & EX5R. Yamaha reminds me of Blackberry/Nokia trying to catch up with Android/Iphones when its too late. I have given up on Yamaha when they decided they discontinue the breath controller and never brought it back EVEN after the out cries of it's customers. it took them over 10 years to decide making a bigger octave version of their flag arranger when the competitors already had those years ago go figure ya know
There are two possible factors that take place with Yamaha. It is bad management, or it could be cultural. If you notice in some cultures it is bad to question someone who is older or in higher position in the company. There have been many examples of this, Korean Air crashes in 80's, the latest crash at SFO, the junior pilot not even once suggested to the senior captain to increase the speed. The innovation supposed to only come from the top, never form the bottom. But this is slowly changing once the bottom line will suffer for some time. Samsung is innovating simply due to market pressure. I know some top level executives at Samsung, and they told me that they are happy that they dominate the mobile market share, but at the same time they are afraid that there don't have more diverse product portfolio as far as revenue is concerned. So if their mobile market share decrease all the other products they sell will never make up for that hole. Samsung wasn't afraid to specify in their job description for a Executive to lead their Software teams that they want a tell caucasian male. That would be unreal in US culture to list that in a job search. Japan is not that far from Korea, and you will notice many similarities. That doesn't mean it's bad. Japanese are really hard working, very productive people, because of their fantastic work ethic and great pride in their work the products that come from Japan are excellent. But all this sometimes can prevent innovation. The new engineers coming on line from schools are slowly changing the culture and as you see look at Korg, they listen, they innovate and to me they are doing all the right things. Hopefully Yamaha will learn some lessons from all this and not end up being a Toyota, selling pianos. Cars age and break, pianos last for a lifetime. So good luck with the revenue Yamaha.
duperdude25 what you're saying is correct but Yamaha had answered Korg before in the PSR series but they literary dropped the ball on synths and listening to customers and that's been the case for the past 10 years so I doubt there will be a significant change anywhere soon (I wish there will though).
+1 for the video, but the idea is wrong. And you seem to already have your dream synthesizer, and with enough buttons between them to program each part. This to say you already have your dream synthesizer, go! :)
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Watching Mr. Katsunori have fun with synthesizers always brightens my day, no matter how bad I feel.
So true. Lovely man.
He may be the greatest yet most underrated synth player of our time
I love his reactions on the sounds... He too is like a synth patch... a different persona per patch!! Great Work !!!
We propose this synthesizer structured by AWM2(Sampling),AN（Virtual Analog) and FM/FS Synthesis System by YAMAHA.
It will be Great, isn't it ?
It would be fantastic. Also there's the EX5/7 which was amazing. Yamaha should listen to customer request and it's a little puzzle for me why they don't make this dream synth?
We need Ujiie brand synthesizers.
This is great .... In other words YAMAHA please build a new EX5 series :-) which had 4 killer engines already AWM, VL , AN, and FDSP back 13+ years ago, it's a shame that Yamaha has abandoned this. #YamahaCorporation
Edit: We need a Yamaha version of the Kronos aka. the latest & greatest (SSD direct streaming, USB, Firewire, Touch Display, Breath Controller etc.)
Mr. Katsunori UJIIE, don't forget VL synthesis from the VL1!!!
When was this released?
wow! the best of AWM2, FM and VA from Yamaha in this setup! :)
That layered bell superpatch at 13:28 is just to die for! ♥♥♥♥♥
Wow! That sounds amazing! If they did build a synth like that and put it out at a reasonable price, it would sell like crazy! Well done Ujiie as always! You are THE MAN!!!
"Разумная цена" в сегодняшнем мире понятие весьма относительное :)
Im very surpised that in any combination you made there is no phasing effect!! You are a genius Sir
I really like how you described the one particular brass sound as "gentle." I hope that Yamaha borrows some of your good fun ideas. Thanks, UJIIE!
EX5は非力だったし、MOTIF-ESまでのプラグインボードはいろんな制約がありすぎた。今だったらすべてを余裕で、かつハイクオリティなAD/DAで鳴らせるだろうなぁ。VLの8音ポリも余裕でしょう。もちろんVPも...。そう考えるとヤマハの音源資産って超強力！！
VLハードウェアで音源モジュール化 されたら素晴らしいですね！
Yamaha finally did it: the new Montage M with AN-X engine.
Yamaha has made some wonderful underrated synths. I have 4. wonderful.
Looks like Yamaha listened to you, with the next rompler workstation (yamaha Montage) also having a FM engine onboard. (missing VA but usually you can fake it using the filter on the wave or FM section!)
No) Ujiie-san just working with Yamaha since the 80s (DX, TX, SY, VL, Motif series) - he is a famous sound designer and programmer, musician (see "Katsunori Ujiie Super Project" band) also synth expert and senior member of the JASPA - Japanese Synthesizer Programmers Association =)
All you need is the Yamaha vl synthesis and it will be complete. Ex5r fs1r 2plg-an motof xs rack completion with all types of synthesis
Love the little FM module, FS1R with choir sounds. Actually, Yamaha has already released a great FM synth, back in the 1980's, the Yamaha DX7. Even with its 80's technology, the DX7 can produce amazing male & female choir sounds with breathtaking realism, even without filters. Personally, I love to see a revolution of the FM synthesis engine, because it's packed with untapped potentials, even the original DX7!. Long live FM!
Those lead sounds are cookin', very nice!
Motif es rack with plg-150dx and Plg150-AN. I already have this synth.
Ujie does it again! Excellent!
English sub-title is available now !!
О,как же мне до этого далеко,мечта с детства,но хотя бы увидела как это происходит,спасибо!!!!!!!!!
Now they need to add the AN to the Montage in the next update, and we will get this "Dream Synthetizer" (which is nothing else than a remake of the great EX-5, with a better UI)
Yamaha Montage M6x M8x
Came true
a nice video of cool modules - Ujiie-san is great
subarashii!!!
FS１Rのコーラス音はとても良いですね。実際にはヤマハはもう１９８０年代にDX７という物凄いFMシンセサイザーを発売したのです。８０年代のテクノロジーでありながら（フィルターなど有りません）DX７はリアルで表現力のある女性＆男性コーラス音を再現できます。個人的にはFM音源の’革命’を期待しています。
You can replace the fs1r with a dx7 in that equipment?
ヤマハのDTM音源やMOTIF ESまでのワークステーションシンセに使われたプラグインボードは、発想としては良かったと思います。
ソフトシンセはシステムやライセンス上の問題があるので、プラグインボード方式で自由に機能を組み合わせることができるシンセサイザーが欲しいですね。
FS1RやAN1Xも現在の技術であれば、小型のプラグインボード化してもワークステーションシンセ並の同時発音数が実現できるのではないでしょうか。
プラグインボードを10枚以上装着できて、それぞれのボードをARTURIA ORIGINの様に自由自在に並べて結線できるラックマウント音源ができたら嬉しいですね。
もちろんスマホやPC、ワークステーションシンセからWifiで操作でき、ケーブル1本繋げば操作から音声のやりとりまで簡単に実現できるようしたら、これからの音楽制作の標準的なシステムになると思います。
ヤマハは技術があるのですから、その気になれば実現可能だと思います。
Thank you for a very nice demo and great proposal.
My Yamaha dream synth would be a combination of SY-99, EX-7, AN1x and FS1R, plus some MOX/Motif-features, a fully-blown sequencer with MIDI and audio, masterkeyboard functions, good onboard effects and at least 4 single outs.
The price for a machine like this is another discussion, though...
price shouldn't be another discussion, it should be in the same range of the Kronos 61-88 key series. multi-engine, SSD streaming, current features and what not. Don't give Yamaha any reasons to spike the price ;-)
With the Montage, you mostly got your wish. The FM-X engine on the Montage is just as good as the FS1R (except for the formant sequences and filters). The AWM sampling is better than the Motif. And it doesn't have analog modelling, but the basic analog modules are available and can be deeply stacked in voices. The main thing that is still missing is the physical modelling of the EX5, and the effects that were available on that unit. Even so, you can usually get any sound that you would want on a Montage.
I watched all of your videos, very nice!
Yes, we now have one: Kurzweil PC4 (Sampling, VA, FM).
ヤマハって本当に凄いよ。
その一言に尽きる。
氏家さんも凄い！
FS1r with knobs on a smart layed out frontpanel would be my dream synth.
How would you do it? Layout becomes harder as you have more and more parameters, and FS1R is loaded with parameters... kinda like a DX7, except twice as heavy thanks to the extra operators, noise operators, pitch envelopes, filter and effects. And that's not even going into FSeqs. It has to be possible to cram all this on a panel by overloading every button with 3 or 4 functions but I don't want to see the result...
I didn't say I needed all parameters on the front panel, I wanted a smart frontpanel. Gives me what I need the most. I'm pretty sure it's possible. Example. You can have the most common parameters of 1 operator layed out on the front panel, then you have operator select buttons for each. Same for the two filters. Effects. Just see how the nord keyboards in a smart way implement pretty nice effect controls using very little space. I've done som Corel Draw drawings showing how I would like it, looks doable to me.
Robbinsffxi That's true, although you'd still end up with something like the JD-800 - lots of sliders, switching between multiple oscillators, many parameters still accessed through menus...
Or more like a Multiple display config. The Solaris does have more parameters then a FS1r I believe, and John Bowen made the frontpanel pretty clean. I don't know why he made it so big though, could be more compact in size. I think more like a Supernova II keyboard sized keyboard would be doable. Thinking the panel covers only 1 operator, and you use operator select buttons to switch operator to tweak, only there you will reduce parameters by maybe 7/8 of them. Most of the parameters are within the Operators. So let's say you have a Supernova II Shaped chassis, then you use like 2/3 of it for Operator and EG stuff, then the rest is for like patch browsing filters, effects, mod section and arpeggiator controls. Then each section should have a menu button for access to additional less commonly used parameters, or each button and knob can have different color coded functions like the AN1x, where each knob can do 4 different things. I see a lot of oppurtunities here to make it smaller then a JD800.
Robbinsffxi Right... actually I think the JD800 had the right idea (multiple layers of oscillator-filter-amplifier with an envelope on each component to keep the routing simple and individual sliders), it just had too many envelope points. They reused the design for the Gaia SH-01 and it seems to work, people seem to find that synth easy to use - even though it has 9 envelopes per voice!
It's easy to see how you could do a nicely usable AWM2 (ADPCM rompler) + FM + subtractive emulation this way without going to the length of having an LCD screen for every knob like the Solaris... Consider an FM element as a carrier+modulator pair and route the "filter cutoff" to modulator volume. This way you can reuse the same knobs for the AWM2 slice, FM slice, or even a yamaha CS80 osc+filter+amp slice. Then you only need to use an LCD for variable parameters for the osc section.
By combining 3 FM slices together, you can already do the DX7's algorithm 5 & 6 (3 stacks of modulator+carrier) in a nice, easy to understand package. Then add some extra slice combination parameters to allow special modulation paths - for instance routing a slice's output to the modulation input of another slice, which would a simulation of DX7 algo 1 & 2 for instance. With enough slices and enough flexibility in special routings, you could cover all algorithms on the DX7, and easily allow something like "RCM" like on the SY99.
This also has the benefit of giving a nice way to add panning carrier/modulator pairs - stereo depth adds a lot to any sound and most FM synthesizers have been lacking in that department.
Well... I've got a VL70m, all four refaces, the AN200 and the DX200. Next one will definitely be the MOXF6. So I think I can make a Yamaha DreamSynth myself if I connect them over MIDI. Can't wait. :)
Great combination... Yamaha had kind of a "Dream Combo" in one device, the EX5... Somehow, I was not happy when they released the Motif where everything was extra... I still have my EX5r... Unfortunately, I sold my AN1x...
The EX series were amazing, but I really wished they had FM.
いやーーーっ 美しい！！！何年前の機種よコレ・・
It already happened long ago but Yamaha abandoned the idea. The Motif ES with PLG150-DX for FM and PLG150-AN for AN Virtual Analog. It's the reason I've kept my ES8 with PLGs. Also have the XF but it's not quite the same as the ES. The EX5 is possibly another solution from the past but under powered. I also would not include the FS1R.
Why not? Is there something wrong with the FS1R? ...you know it's literally 2 of the same FM generating chips as the PLG150DX but without all the silly firmware limitations that has, and plus a tonne of huge and totally unrivalled new features, right?
Daniel Boles
The fs1r has an interface problem... there's just too much of everything.
Dear UjieSan You are great demo and keyboardist keep up the good work I am debating on whether to get Arturia Origin or Yamaha Motif....any ideas which one would be more enjoyable?
+emilshere
UJIIE-san rarely responds to questions. A year has passed since you made your inquiry so I assume you made a choice. What did you get and how do you like it?
+YouzTube99 hi! Thanks for asking I went with the Arturia Origin and I love it. I wanted something strictly for synth sounds and sequencing. The programming capabilities on it are very powerful also. Im happy with it yes!
+emilshere
Terrific! I was going to ask how you were going to use it -- until I saw the date you posted. You definitely made the best choice for your needs!
Did you get the desktop or keyboard? And is Arturia continuing to update the firmware and sounds?
Well thats a bit disspointing they stopped making it.. It doesnt matter becauseit it has tons of srtuff in it to last fa long time.r
Great setup...
Fantastic synths! but, for a "Dream Synth" you have to add, Yamaha VL1.
There are another brands like Kawai K5000s, Ensoniq FIZMO, Alesis Andromeda and the newer analog synth. All unique synths.
Thank you !!
Katsunori, are you using these small speakers for this presentation? If so, what is the name and the model, theye sound great. Thanks!
I think these speakers are Fostex PM0.3's - they look like those. I don't know how he has them set up, though.
The sound you're hearing in the video is the recorded direct audio output of the synths, not recorded with a microphone through the speakers. The speakers are there just for Ujiie-san to hear what he's doing. :)
VocaloidとVL、FDSP、、YAMAHAは化け物過ぎる、、、
wonderful player
awesome job! thank you so much!!!!!
MY GOODNESS!! THAT FM!! I wish YAMAHA can develop another rack module and allow PLG cards again. 😔
I don't understand japanese unfortunately, but I have to say that this kind of layered synthesis is totally possible, the problem with it isn't calculation power, and it's not really R&D, but it's interface... FS1R is nice but it has so many parameters, and layering it with an analog simulation and ADPCM sample layers multiplies this problem!
So yeah, you will get this kind of synthesizer... the day someone invents a usable interface to deal with it!
Just saw this.... Fantastic....
I'd buy it.. The problem is Yamaha, who seem to have moved away from synthesis altogether (well, at least they did something in bringing it back with the reface series). See, FS1R was a flop, but people see how amazing they are now and WOULD buy it, and Yamaha don't get it. An1X, well, best VA of all time, period. Motif have always been strong sample based stuff.. Yeah, combine all three? Indeed Heaven.. But to be honest I'd be happy at this stage with a reissue of the FS1R, just make it easier to edit. That's it. It would sell. And stop the ludicrous price gouging on ebay. Some Japanese store seems to have bought them all, they were going for 700 USD, now all are over 1500 USD. No one else seems to have them to sell. Would love to see Yamaha re release it with all the sounds it ever had, and some new ones, for 399 LOL. That would show em!
Was that proposal the beginning stage of the Montage? Because it's here as I,m sure you're well aware of. Were you trying to give us a hint sir? We're trying to connect the dots. Did you program the Montage? By the way no English caption. I know you're probably somewhere @ Namm but whenever you get a chance.
The cs6x was a great looking synth.......make it look like that!
Yeah, I like CS6x. Not only looks are great, but feel of the keyboard as well, and the multimode filters sound fantastic, plus, you got all the AN, VL, or DX expansions if you like. There's really no need for Motif when you have CS6x. Very high quality synth.
I really wish Yamaha reissued the VP1. That was a dream synthesizer, and so it remains to this day, only a dream. VL1 was also great. As well as the SY77/SY99 with their excellent FM capabilities. In other words, great products over the years from Yamaha. A little sad thing is that Yamaha is leaving us synth enthusiasts with PCM playback synths only today. Great multimode filters and all, but still, it's just PCM.
Andrew Piatek Not entirely a dream. Chick Corea owns a VP1 prototype and he used it in his gorgeous tune, "Arabian Nights", on that masterpiece of an album entitled "The Ultimate Adventure". He uses it for the melody. I got that info from the Maestro himself backstage at Blues Alley in DC. I adored that sound so much, I absolutely had to go back to hear him play solo piano a second night, just so I could ask him what I'd forgotten to ask him about; what instrument he had used there. Maybe a VL-1 could do what Chick did with the VP1 there, however, because it's just a melody; monophonic. It all depends on if layers were used. The sound Chick used was just a preset in the prototype given to him by Yamaha. He looked a little apologetic to me when telling me that he hadn't programmed that sound at all. I don't think he's played that live with Touchstone because he never uses a breath controller live, so far as I know. He only did that in his studio. Fun stuff, huh???
Go check out that amazing, soaring melody played on a VP1!! It seemingly goes on forever.
@@stephenbertino8373 I did not know that good old Chick had one, i am glad he has it as no one deserves to have it more then him! 👍
awesome
Why did Yamaha stop developing their AN technology? There are so many ways that they could make that even better than it already is. They could make it more multitimbral, they could increase the number of oscillators per voice, increase LFOs, increase the modulation routing options, etc., etc. They made the AN1x and seemed to stop at 10 note, 2 timbre, 2 osc per voice, etc.
your playing is great!
It's a shame PLG modules/hosts are not made anymore. I'd love to see one of the newer Motifs stuffed with a newer 10-voice PLG-AN - and a FS1R squeezed into PLG format.
Earlier you could get monster combos built literally "of bricks":
- MU2000EX+ PLG-AN + PLG-DX + PLG-VL;
- CS6X + PLG-AN + PLG-DX;
- Motif original + PLG-AN + PLG-DX;
- EX5 ;-)
I recall the PLGs being pretty awkward to use in the motif. I'd love Yamaha to revisit their synth tech but would definitely want them to be more mindful of keeping the various techniques integrated.
Would be terrific to see also a reincarnation of RCM (AWM+AFM) from the SY77/99 series...
Yeah absolutely. I'm amazed that that particularly hasn't wormed its way into the flagship.
I remember CS6x, it was great. All the expansions, and fantastic sounding multimode filters. Had a great feel of the keyboard, too. There was no immediate need for the Motif, I'd be satisfied with CS6x to this day.
Another notable piece - the millennium edition Electone organs: 8-op FM, AWM2 sample/synthesis, VA (not Virtual Analog but Virtual Acoustic, so it's more of the VL series), voice editing, velocity/aftertouch/horizontal touch on keyboard...
How do you connect all the synth/sound modules into the midi controller?
got pretty close with the korg opsix
*Wonderful ♪ ♩ ♫ ♪ Thank you!* ツ
wow, FS1R +AN1X ====
Very nice!
The name of this is Yamaha EX5.
what about virtual acoustic from the vp-1
Its sounds like what your dream synth is.... is the korg Kronos
I actually have the machines to do this, only An1x replaced by AN200
Unfortunately, I'm not holding any hope for Yamaha (or Roland, for that matter), regarding multi-synthesis workstations. Yamaha dropped the ball after EX-5 turning Motifs into romplers. EX-5 was splendid, if only it wasn't limited by 90s CPU, which resulted in AN parts having max 2 voices of poly, what a terrible shame...
Ujiie-san is on the right stream of ideas here. DSPs are a lot more powerful today, so it shouldn't be a problem of having a 16-part multitimbral, multi-synthesis workstation from Yamaha that would allow us at least 32 AN voices, 64 FM/FS voices, 128 stereo (!) AWM voices, and, say, 8 VL voices. All with full FX per part in multimode (insert effects from Program mode retained, along with two Aux busses for reverb/delay sends, say). This would be awesome!
And all that in a much less bulky format. Motif looks like a turd - there's just so much unused space there, and it's way too heavy IMHO.
Touchscreen on a beast like this is a given, as well. Makes things a lot faster to edit, as far as I'm concerned.
The problem is interface and R&D... If you add a non-rompler part to a synth, it has to be very useful and good sounding, otherwise people will just use the rompler part for everything.
This is a problem on the Kawai K5000 - the additive synth part is unique and creative but it's just not quite as good sounding and useful as boring old samples. It's a problem on the Technics WSA-1 - the physical modeling on that just didn't sound good and despite the solid rompler part, the keyboard was not popular and got sold of at bargain prices.
Also, to make that kind of synth work well, you need a lot of parameters, and then some people will complain that it it's hard to edit and stay with presets.
That being said, the SY77/SY99 (rompler + FM) and D-50 (very early rompler + fake subtractive) did work, although the patches on the D-50 sound very layered.
I think K5000 sounds splendid! (I own one.) I'm not looking at it like "oh shit, it doesn't sound as good as samples", because that's not the POINT of additive synthesis. Its point is to create different kinds of sounds. And they can sound miraculously good when programmed well.
Mario Krušelj There aren't enough people like you in the world.
boptillyouflop I own a Kawai K5000s and its one of the most powerful synthesizers ever! There is Envelope generators down to each harmonic and each oscillator have 64 harmonics, and there is up to 6 oscillators in total! Thats the power of K5000 synths.
Now I am sure, you live in heaven.
Please add the AN engine, VL engine and SCM to the Montage and you have a winner.
oh? is it good ?
Yamaha need to make this happen. I will never understand why they left formant shaping out of FM-X, nor why their wasn't a VA engine in Montage, or even an expansion option. The EX5 was the closest they got to Katsunori-san's vision here, just lacking the FS. Yamaha need to get back to making groundbreaking synthesis engines again.
The bizarre thing is, if you forget about the FS part, the Alesis Fusion could deliver everything else here (PCM/VA/FM).
@@FailedMuso Yes but it sounded like an Alesis rather than a glorious Yamaha.
sy99 thats yamahas dream synth, i own one.
So do I. O go to the SY77/SY99 all the time. My favorite machines at the moment.
Yamaha EX5 , i love my sy77 as well. :)
Worth noting that UJIIE-san has worked as a sound designer for Yamaha for decades, hence, 02:21.
His demo/review of the Montage is here:
th-cam.com/video/wfAxxav4PUU/w-d-xo.html
Yamaha does not listen to their customers. Nor do they listen to experts like Ujiie-san, who truly understand what musicians really want.
You can say they already made it .. It's called Korg Kronos :)
-sampling engine -check
-virtual analog synth -check
-fm synth ala Sy77 -check
guess yamaha is letting korg produce what they can't get their own management to aprove
It took Yamaha 15 years to dare to put a 76key Tyros 5 on the market because of the fail with
the P9000Pro release wich was a financial failure.
Yamaha has been leading in just about any of the major keyboard techs for 40 years.
-Fm synthesis
-Sampling
-Virtual Modelling
-Analog Modelling
The world is ready for workstations like the Kronos wich has it all.
The cpu power today is getting big enough to accomodate a workstation
with 7-8 super VST instruments wich can theoretically be software upgraded,
and they can still produce a new version each 3-4 years with faster hardware
Lets face it.. its great ine the studio, but how many musicians have the trust in a PC or Mac
with Cubase and software synths and a very steep i/o device will NOT lock up some time in
the middle of a gig ... /shiver.
Yes the Motif XF is still a great workstation, but its still basically just a sample player with
some gimmicks added every 3-4 years.
I have been hovering over a Motif XF for some time, but with the new Kronos 2 I think I'm
in love again ... and it even feels like my old T-3 with dulled out display wich I can hardly read.
Wonder when Yamaha will come out with a pan-dang .. even they still smile when Korg is
making money too off cause.
+Jan Hansen
Sorry... Alesis did that before with the Fusion and Yamaha approached from the EX series and the SY series hybrid synths...
dont forget vl!
僕もAN1ｘを所有していますが氏家さんのようには上手く弾けません（＾＾;）
氏家さんのレビューはやはり卓抜した演奏技術があるからこそ、
マシンとしての楽器が生きてくるのだということをあらためて教えてくれますね。
Hello Mr. Katsunori-san,
Please convince Yamaha do design a synthesizer that includes the AWM2(Sampling),AN（Virtual Analog) and FM/FS Synthesis System, as well as the VL1, FDSP and also the Super Natural 2 Super Articulation2. All this without the need of sequencer since Yamaha already offers Cubase. Very few use the sequencers that are built into the keyboards. Also a rack version of that synthesizer would be very nice in 2 or 4U size, with the ability to do patch editing and librarian in DAWs and tablets. Yamaha needs something fresh as the Motif series has been good, but it reminds me of Toyota cars, very boring and not much innovation.
wishful thinking! if they have only not abounded it in the first place aka EX5 & EX5R. Yamaha reminds me of Blackberry/Nokia trying to catch up with Android/Iphones when its too late. I have given up on Yamaha when they decided they discontinue the breath controller and never brought it back EVEN after the out cries of it's customers. it took them over 10 years to decide making a bigger octave version of their flag arranger when the competitors already had those years ago go figure ya know
There are two possible factors that take place with Yamaha. It is bad management, or it could be cultural.
If you notice in some cultures it is bad to question someone who is older or in higher position in the company.
There have been many examples of this, Korean Air crashes in 80's, the latest crash at SFO, the junior pilot not even once suggested to the senior captain to increase the speed.
The innovation supposed to only come from the top, never form the bottom. But this is slowly changing once the bottom line will suffer for some time.
Samsung is innovating simply due to market pressure. I know some top level executives at Samsung, and they told me that they are happy that they dominate the mobile market share, but at the same time they are afraid that there don't have more diverse product portfolio as far as revenue is concerned. So if their mobile market share decrease all the other products they sell will never make up for that hole.
Samsung wasn't afraid to specify in their job description for a Executive to lead their Software teams that they want a tell caucasian male. That would be unreal in US culture to list that in a job search.
Japan is not that far from Korea, and you will notice many similarities. That doesn't mean it's bad. Japanese are really hard working, very productive people, because of their fantastic work ethic and great pride in their work the products that come from Japan are excellent. But all this sometimes can prevent innovation. The new engineers coming on line from schools are slowly changing the culture and as you see look at Korg, they listen, they innovate and to me they are doing all the right things. Hopefully Yamaha will learn some lessons from all this and not end up being a Toyota, selling pianos. Cars age and break, pianos last for a lifetime. So good luck with the revenue Yamaha.
duperdude25 what you're saying is correct but Yamaha had answered Korg before in the PSR series but they literary dropped the ball on synths and listening to customers and that's been the case for the past 10 years so I doubt there will be a significant change anywhere soon (I wish there will though).
And now we have the Montage. Very close.
MONTAGEで似たような感じにレイヤーできるといいな！
これは超えられないに決まってるけど！
+1 for the video, but the idea is wrong. And you seem to already have your dream synthesizer, and with enough buttons between them to program each part. This to say you already have your dream synthesizer, go! :)
tHe iDeA iS wRoNg BRO HAVE YOU SEEN THE BRAND NEW MONTAGE M8x?? Where do you think they got the idea??? lmaooooo
Sounds like wavestation
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